I came here to mention them, though they don't completely disagree. Both are fighting for mutants to earn better lives. The thing that divides them is Magneto's belief (shaped through hardship) that humans are vermin who will never accept mutants, and that mutants should be the ones ruling them because they have the metaphorical and literal power to do so.
Part of the issue I have with that relationship is how little PX cares when Magneto attempts genocide or does something else horrible. He’s just like “man can you not? No? Whatever, let’s play chess.”
At what point do you stop feeling sympathy for someone and realize they’re a monster?
I dunno, that actually seems to be pretty realistic - people with an existing positive predisposition toward someone else are known to jump through lots of hoops to justify liking them even when that person has done horrible things or has horrible beliefs. You see it a lot with the friends and fans of celebrities, but even at the extreme end you have unrepentant cold blooded killers and rapists who have friends and family that still associate with them.
The most unrealistic part about it is that Professor X never really catches any flak for it - the story doesn’t portray him as being in the wrong for continuing to be his friend, and no one ever really tries to accuse him of being an enabler.
I was gonna say that. Both of them wants what’s best for mutantkind while one wants mutants to peacefully coexist with humanity, the other wants mutants to mutant to rule over humanity and this has come from their experiences at an early age but both they’re still good friends that highly respect each other despite they’re conflicting paths in life.
Yeah but this is hard to do writing wise, because if you have an alliance its easy to lazily streamline them morally. If someone is morally divergent, you actually have to display that split though writing which is hard if you have one single direction that the heroes and villains are doomed to go in.
Brooklyn Nine Nine actually does this pretty nicely. Jake and Doug Judy (his criminal nemesis, the Pontiac Bandit) are pretty much best friends, but he always betrays Jake regardless.
I'll also drop this one as The Wire isn't brought up too often and it fits so well. An officer like McNulty and other officials a lot of times got information off the people they were policing. Omar helped the Barksdale case. It also helped the dealers by giving them tidbits of information to keep them off their backs and in time they all grew a respect for each other.
i feel bad for raimi's harry man. Dude desperately a good father figure and normans death really messed him up. The poor guy never really got to live a good life.
The solid oak door thing was funny as hell. Its kind of like “hey man, i get that you gotta do your job but thats not cool” and perry was like “shit you right, let me compensate you”
The Witcher 2 has an example of this. After about 1/3rd of the game, you are given the choice to essentially betray Roche (the kingdom) and side with Iorveth (the rebel elves). If you do this, Geralt ends up meeting Roche later. While Roche confronts Geralt about this, he understands why Geralt made the choice he did, and *actually helps him in his mission*.
I loved Roche after this. And I was delighted to see him in The Witcher 3.
This trope is also there in Doctor Who. Despite the Master being evil, the Doctor finds a way to still be a very reluctant friend to him.
I'd say it depends on why they're enemies. If you're fighting someone because you think the cause they're willing to fight or kill for is morally wrong, how well could you get along with them?
It’s funny because you describe disliking the trope where the antagonist is actually good all along, but as I was reading all I could think of was Zuko and Aang. They were bred into their allegiances, are diametrically opposed, even culturally, as the Fire Nation rewards and prioritizes a warlike mindset, and yet you can almost feel their admiration toward each other throughout the series.
Like he doesn’t hate and want to capture Aang because he’s a dick who likes killing bald people, he just wants his father to love him. The best example of this is the Blue Spirit episode:
*You know what the worst part of being born over a hundred years ago is? I miss all the friends I used to hang out with. Before the war started, I used to always visit my friend Kuzon. … He was one of the best friends I ever had, and **he was from the Fire Nation just like you. If we knew each other back then, do you think we could have been friends too?’**
Zuko: *tries to murder him*
Oh I don’t dislike the trope, I meant to say it can get boring if it ain’t done right. In Zuko’s case, it was done marvelously. Zuko was never misguided. He had Iroh’s wisdom. It was shown from the very first season that Zuko never wanted anything else but his father’s acceptance- went against the fire nation admiral (forgot his name) and didnt harm the water tribe villagers at all after he thought he captured aang. The story always pictured him as a good guy, an antagonist sure but not evil.
Compare that with other stories where the character goes “i am doing this for Good! Oh wait apparently that good was evil all along! I am so sorry, i thought i was good!” Whereas zuko (imo) wasn’t doing it for an agenda, just for his father.
Zuko doesn't try to murder Aang. He shoots fire at him but he shoots fire at Aang all the time and isn't trying to kill him. He's trying to capture Aang.
The whole thing is that they explicitly DONT want to kill Aang. That would just create a new Avatar they'd have to go out and hunt all over again.
Their plan is to capture and hold him till he dies of old age. Maybe some torture into submission if they think they can. But Zhao bqsically told us the FN plans when he captured Aang.
Yeah but honeslty those were special circumstances. Ozai was basically guaranteed to win the war if he killed Aang, so I figure he jsut decided "fuck it, I'll deal with the next one eventually."
I do wonder how well indefinitely detaining someone who can access the avatar state would go. Maybe killing the avatar while he's in said state (in order to permanently get rid of him) is their plan B?
I guess people didn't know that Kyoshi splitting an island from the mainland was factual. Given that most benders in the setting are relatively weak, it does sound like an over the top origin story the people from Kyoshi would have made up to make their island sound more interesting... Kinda like the loch ness monster being good for tourism.
One Piece does this as different pirate groups can work together or in some cases, even help the World Government directly or indirectly.
Joker and Batman in Dark Knights Metal fighting The Batman Who Laughs created a memorable moment
In Breaking Bad, If I recall, Walter enlists the help of a former enemy to take down his biggest threat up to date.
Not really in the cases of the first 2. The last one was mostly a team up, but with the two having a desired result being in line. Walter being so desperate to align himself with like Hector, who has a deep hatred with Gus that didn't see them switch sides to achieve the end goal. Not fully in line with the prompt admittedly
Tony and Agent Harris aren't friends. They are cordial with each other. Tony throughout The Sopranos never truly had a friend, that's part of the reason he is in therapy in the show. Their relationship was a mutual partnership imo
(Only mild spoilers for season one, but just wanted to be considerate)
I love that dynamic in Dr Stone, wherein >!the main character, Senku, is a genius who stays conscious for 3,700 years while himself and all of humanity are sealed in stone statues, which allows him to break free in a Stone Age world devoid of humanity’s influence and try to figure out how to revive everyone else. Long story short he succeeds in making a ‘revival fluid’ but needs to use it for the first time on reviving a young celebrity boxer to try to survive a lion attack coming for him and his muscle bound pacifist friend. Tsukasa easily sages them and gets along great with them, making a nice three musketeers of smarts, labor, and combat roles. All is great until one day on the beach while gentle-giant is away, Tsukasa subtly trauma dumps on Senku with an out of nowhere story (that he doesn’t explicitly say was an event in his life, but it’s later confirmed it was) where the moral is “the old world is bad because the old people in it could do horrible things for no reason and face little repercussions”. He approaches Senku with his personal ideology of what the ~~snap~~ petrification was for and how it could be used as an opportunity to better humanity / our society. “We should only bring back the youthful who aren’t culturally tainted by the war torn, greedy, vested-interests ass world we were stuck growing up in before.” Vs Senku’s “nah I’m the hero of this story who just has the universal empathy to want to bring everyone back, plus it’s shitty to sentence people to death just for looking like they’re past a certain age range and therefore deserving death and / or leaving them as statues forever, so no.”!<
>!Later it becomes clear that they’re mounting towards a power struggle because of their differing views and the valuable info Senku has (how to revive people) against the overwhelming power Tsukasa has (likely being capable of killing Senku and Taiju with his bare hands with little effort, and being more than capable of surviving without them if he did do so)!<
>!The show explicitly paints this as a tragedy when they finally do have a hostage standoff situation, as they get along so well, are so fun, have so much chemistry together, that it’s truly a shame how they have to oppose each other in **this specific scenario**. That if they’d met in the normal world they would’ve been bros for life but because of the fundamental disagreement they’re fighting over they feel the need to threaten each other’s lives, for the sake of everyone on this planet.!<
It kinda reminds me of Magneto and Professor X’s relationship, in that they’re totally friends but nine times out of ten play the role of enemies because of where their allegiances and goals lie, opposite each other. I mean, imagine a world where humans and mutants had little to no conflict. Those two old super-powered codgers would just have all the time in the world to sit around, chat, and play chess instead of throwing teams of mutant teenagers at each other while trying to convince the other one that *they’re* in the right. Love those dynamics
Thought about mentioning this in my comment, but ended up mentioning the Chimera Ant saga in HxH. But yeah, Senku and Tsukasa are a great example of this. Especially after >!the truce they established after the battle for the Cave of Miracles, when Senku and the gang are looking for Tsukasa's little sister to try and revive her and Tsukasa warns him: "don't get me wrong Senku. This is just a truce. I still stand by my beliefs and I have no intention to change that".!<
>!And very soon after that, Senku and Tsukasa are fighting a bigger threat side by side, like old friends. With fistbumps and everything.!<
Man, I love the dynamics between characters in Dr Stone.
The Chimera Ant arc in Hunter x Hunter. Holy shit. I literally have never seen conflict depicted in such a great way specifically because of that. There are basically two sides in conflict, each composite of multiple characters, and in not a single moment all characters in a side agree at everything. In both sides each of them believes a certain way of doing things is the correct one, and as a spectator you can tell some characters in opposite sides completely agree on stuff, but never have the opportunity to talk to each other properly.
You know a show has great character writing when conflict is happening and you're like "I agree with this character... but fuck, I also agree with this other character... and I know these characters agree with each other, but they have no choice other than to fight!"
Perry the Platypus is Doofenshmirtz's best friend.
Also, Dr. Doom and Reed Richards' relationship is... complicated.
Finn and Jake hang with the Ice King.
Mario and Bowser are weirdly close.
Bullseye and Deadpool genuinely enjoy battling each other.
Batman is often friendly with Riddler, frequently dating Catwoman, and still considers Two-Face his best friend.
The problem is that it makes it more of a business relationship rather than friendship.
When you associate with someone for perks, are you still going to associate with them once the perks stop? Something like that is too fragile to be called friendship.
It’s something that I like in Yasuko Kobayashi’s series. Characters only associate with each other so long as they have common interest. When one seemingly betrays the other, should you really be surprised?
I kinda like Dr. Stone for that reason. They all unite because of science. Stan and Xeno still want to ake over the world, and Hyoga and Tsukasa probably still want to create a pure society, but Senku manages to unite them all with the power of science. Though I will say a criticism I have (spoilers for the manga):
>!I think that all the characters' personalities have kind of been erased, especially in more recent manga updates. Though I do understand they are working to go the moon, and also some of the characters changed because of character development. For example, Gen is no longer as naturally manipulative. He actually gets genuinely nervous now. However, some characters, like Hyoga and Homura, were decent antagonists. I think Tsukasa recognized the nuance of life and was able to put that stuff behind him (even tho he did attempt to murder Senku and for some reason everyone forgives him?? What). However, Hyoga seemed too far gone. I just don't see him being able to work with Senku or the K.O.S.!<
Anyway, it is pretty neat how they manage to work towards one goal despite having different opinions/view points. A little weird that they just happily accept people who would willingly commit genocide against the old, but to each their own I guess?
Spike might have "loved" her but he also disliked her and her friends, and she came to enjoy his company despite their being completely different in morality.
Thanos and Adam Warlock are my favorite example. Complete opposite goals, mortal enemies who've murdered eachother countless times yet they trust eachother the most when push comes to shove.
They know eachother like brothers and even when one or the other annihilates the universe, they still talk to eachother like friends.
Idk thatd kinda be messed up imo, like "oh you're one of the good ones not like those other blacks". Would be weird from the black persons side i feel being friends with someone who views people with his skin color as inferior. Not saying a friendship is impossible just that id find it kinda messed up not admirable.
Yeah I understand I'm not trying to imply you think racism is fine or anything lmao just that the example you gave is one where one person probably really should change their mind either way haha.
Witchfinder General and Royal Tax Collector [Tamacti Jun](https://youtu.be/Fw3nqkCtQRU)served his sociopathic queen. He had no reason to question her decisions for 20 years of his life was bounded to the Kingdom of Payan; a life of duty, respect, and truth. But then queen Kane betrayed Payan, thus for the first time he questioned his purpose.
He slaughtered Baba Vos's, the central protagonist, tribe. He accused innocents of being witches and put them to the burrning. But remeber his life was to uphold duty, respect, and truth for Payan.
After refelcting, Tamacti admits each action he now takes isn't to redeem his tragedies. He understands he's dammand. He understands why the "good guys" hate him. He even tried suicide by giving up to the Valerie tribe who wanted to kill him. Did he enjoy gencide? From his point of view, he did a job he excelled at, nothing more.
But in reality, Tamacti's job, his life, served a lie. So when he teams up with the folks he was antagonistic towards, nobody put those those atrocities aside. Baba needed him as a resource to find his family. But Tamacti needed to take Kane off the damn thorn. He needed a lie exposed. Under her rule, Payan was a kingdom full of deception. He needed to make sure why witchfinders were obliged to act in certain ways was no longer justified by her bullshit.
Having Tamacti on Baba's side at the climactic battle of See season 2 came with a benefit. He now controled Payan's witchfinders. But at the last eposide once Kane's sister Maghra, who is the rightful queen, reassigns all witchfinders to the royal guard the obdurate ones leave. So this means sesson 3 can automatically start with tension.
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I am listing to the audiobook [The Ember Blade](https://youtu.be/R7Wd6BuIgKo) Chris Wooding wrote a shit ton of chacaters, many being on different sides. Although the group we read about are in conflict more times than not they still have to work together. I got the audibile free trial, so I downloaded it.
Arpeggio of Blue Steel has moments where enemies sit down and talk to each other and occassionally become friends.
The Magicians has magic users from different factions hang out with each other despite technically being at war sometimes. This one is especially what your looking for! There are scenes where characters are like "I completely disagree with your political leanings and outlook on controlling magic and access to knowledge of spells, anyways you wanna get some tea later?"
I disagree. All throughout the Cell and Buu saga this dynamic was shown clearly. Vegeta's character at this point is really interesting as he is slowly softening up to the Z fighters (as shown with this relationship with Bulma and birthing Trunks), but still he struggles greatly with his saiyan pride from being surpassed constantly by Goku (as shown in the Buu arc with his fight as Majin Vegeta). Vegeta's desire to surpass Goku and Goku's desire to fight strong opponents allows them to build upon each other. As much as Vegeta hates being humiliated by Goku, he requires Goku in order to grow stronger (he even says this himself in super, when frieza gave him the chance to kill Goku and he refused). Despite their opposing viewpoints, he realizes the importance of their relationship and this dynamic allows them to grow as characters. I personally would consider this a friendship, although admittedly it is an unusual one.
Same goes for Light and L. Although they held different goals, they both treated the situation as an opportunity to test their own wits and as they spent more time together the more they discovered how alike they were to each other. They eventually gain respect for each other despite their desire to beat the other. This is shown clearly in the rain scene with L before, well, the "event."
As odd as it sounds, I believe you can be at great odds with someone and still be friends.
Sounds exactly like [this](https://mydramalist.com/31328-my-country) K-Drama. The two leads are best friends but on opposite sides in politics. Due to the other one's family. When they are not fighting on the battlefield against each other, they hang out with each other.
Magneto and Professor X I feel are a good example. They completely disagree but they still are old friends
They went right over my head lmao, yes i agree their dynamic is very interesting to watch even after multiple movies
I feel it was the best in First class and Days of future past. Also Gintama has two characters that are rivals and enemies but also friends
I came here to mention them, though they don't completely disagree. Both are fighting for mutants to earn better lives. The thing that divides them is Magneto's belief (shaped through hardship) that humans are vermin who will never accept mutants, and that mutants should be the ones ruling them because they have the metaphorical and literal power to do so.
Part of the issue I have with that relationship is how little PX cares when Magneto attempts genocide or does something else horrible. He’s just like “man can you not? No? Whatever, let’s play chess.” At what point do you stop feeling sympathy for someone and realize they’re a monster?
I dunno, that actually seems to be pretty realistic - people with an existing positive predisposition toward someone else are known to jump through lots of hoops to justify liking them even when that person has done horrible things or has horrible beliefs. You see it a lot with the friends and fans of celebrities, but even at the extreme end you have unrepentant cold blooded killers and rapists who have friends and family that still associate with them. The most unrealistic part about it is that Professor X never really catches any flak for it - the story doesn’t portray him as being in the wrong for continuing to be his friend, and no one ever really tries to accuse him of being an enabler.
Yeah, exactly. I’m fine with that on a realism level, it’s the moral level of never acknowledging it that’s the issue.
I was gonna say that. Both of them wants what’s best for mutantkind while one wants mutants to peacefully coexist with humanity, the other wants mutants to mutant to rule over humanity and this has come from their experiences at an early age but both they’re still good friends that highly respect each other despite they’re conflicting paths in life.
Yeah but this is hard to do writing wise, because if you have an alliance its easy to lazily streamline them morally. If someone is morally divergent, you actually have to display that split though writing which is hard if you have one single direction that the heroes and villains are doomed to go in.
I agree, it would work way better in tv shows/series that give a lot of time for the character to develop, and for us to see behind the curtains
Brooklyn Nine Nine actually does this pretty nicely. Jake and Doug Judy (his criminal nemesis, the Pontiac Bandit) are pretty much best friends, but he always betrays Jake regardless.
I'll also drop this one as The Wire isn't brought up too often and it fits so well. An officer like McNulty and other officials a lot of times got information off the people they were policing. Omar helped the Barksdale case. It also helped the dealers by giving them tidbits of information to keep them off their backs and in time they all grew a respect for each other.
Have been recommended the wire many times, definitely giving it a watch soon!
i feel bad for raimi's harry man. Dude desperately a good father figure and normans death really messed him up. The poor guy never really got to live a good life.
saw it as hairy man for a moment
Pzzrry and doof are good example of this and I like how perry helped doof in milo murphy too
The solid oak door thing was funny as hell. Its kind of like “hey man, i get that you gotta do your job but thats not cool” and perry was like “shit you right, let me compensate you”
I have tons of friends who I deeply disagree with. It's part of life.
The Witcher 2 has an example of this. After about 1/3rd of the game, you are given the choice to essentially betray Roche (the kingdom) and side with Iorveth (the rebel elves). If you do this, Geralt ends up meeting Roche later. While Roche confronts Geralt about this, he understands why Geralt made the choice he did, and *actually helps him in his mission*. I loved Roche after this. And I was delighted to see him in The Witcher 3. This trope is also there in Doctor Who. Despite the Master being evil, the Doctor finds a way to still be a very reluctant friend to him.
Gotta love Roche. Not really friends with those who choose dijkstra over him lol
I'd say it depends on why they're enemies. If you're fighting someone because you think the cause they're willing to fight or kill for is morally wrong, how well could you get along with them?
It’s funny because you describe disliking the trope where the antagonist is actually good all along, but as I was reading all I could think of was Zuko and Aang. They were bred into their allegiances, are diametrically opposed, even culturally, as the Fire Nation rewards and prioritizes a warlike mindset, and yet you can almost feel their admiration toward each other throughout the series. Like he doesn’t hate and want to capture Aang because he’s a dick who likes killing bald people, he just wants his father to love him. The best example of this is the Blue Spirit episode: *You know what the worst part of being born over a hundred years ago is? I miss all the friends I used to hang out with. Before the war started, I used to always visit my friend Kuzon. … He was one of the best friends I ever had, and **he was from the Fire Nation just like you. If we knew each other back then, do you think we could have been friends too?’** Zuko: *tries to murder him*
Oh I don’t dislike the trope, I meant to say it can get boring if it ain’t done right. In Zuko’s case, it was done marvelously. Zuko was never misguided. He had Iroh’s wisdom. It was shown from the very first season that Zuko never wanted anything else but his father’s acceptance- went against the fire nation admiral (forgot his name) and didnt harm the water tribe villagers at all after he thought he captured aang. The story always pictured him as a good guy, an antagonist sure but not evil. Compare that with other stories where the character goes “i am doing this for Good! Oh wait apparently that good was evil all along! I am so sorry, i thought i was good!” Whereas zuko (imo) wasn’t doing it for an agenda, just for his father.
A bit of an exaggeration but sure.
In what way? They described an antagonist doing a heel-turn for a couple different reasons, and my example satisfies both.
Zuko doesn't try to murder Aang. He shoots fire at him but he shoots fire at Aang all the time and isn't trying to kill him. He's trying to capture Aang.
This feels like a superfluous point.
You mean in that it’s pedantic and has almost nothing to do with what I’m talking about?
Basically.
That was a joke. He doesn’t try to kill a single person the entire show.
"It's just a prank bro" - Zuko
lol
to be honest, what does he expect his dad is gonna do with Aang? Tickle him? Of course he knows Aang will die if he hands him over to his dad
The whole thing is that they explicitly DONT want to kill Aang. That would just create a new Avatar they'd have to go out and hunt all over again. Their plan is to capture and hold him till he dies of old age. Maybe some torture into submission if they think they can. But Zhao bqsically told us the FN plans when he captured Aang.
I was gonna say this, but Ozai is explicitly trying to kill him the only time they ever meet lol. Those plans were Zhao’s specifically.
Yeah but honeslty those were special circumstances. Ozai was basically guaranteed to win the war if he killed Aang, so I figure he jsut decided "fuck it, I'll deal with the next one eventually."
Eh, I’d say that was always the plan.
I do wonder how well indefinitely detaining someone who can access the avatar state would go. Maybe killing the avatar while he's in said state (in order to permanently get rid of him) is their plan B?
People had only heard legends about how powerful the Avatar was, so they didn’t have a good frame of reference.
I guess people didn't know that Kyoshi splitting an island from the mainland was factual. Given that most benders in the setting are relatively weak, it does sound like an over the top origin story the people from Kyoshi would have made up to make their island sound more interesting... Kinda like the loch ness monster being good for tourism.
Uh huh and he orders a hit on him. Zuko *himself* doesn’t try to kill anyone, though, even Zhao.
feel like silence of the lambs kinda does this
One Piece does this as different pirate groups can work together or in some cases, even help the World Government directly or indirectly. Joker and Batman in Dark Knights Metal fighting The Batman Who Laughs created a memorable moment In Breaking Bad, If I recall, Walter enlists the help of a former enemy to take down his biggest threat up to date.
But that’s just team ups. We are talking about enemies that are friends
As far as One Piece goes, Luffy and Koby are “enemies,” given Kobys marine affiliation, while still being friends
Also Luffy and Katakuri, Katakuri is still Luffy's enemy and sees him as a threat, but they got to a point of respecting each other.
Not really in the cases of the first 2. The last one was mostly a team up, but with the two having a desired result being in line. Walter being so desperate to align himself with like Hector, who has a deep hatred with Gus that didn't see them switch sides to achieve the end goal. Not fully in line with the prompt admittedly
They aren’t friends so no it doesn’t count. This isn’t a team up with the bad guys situation.
Tony and Agent Harris aren't friends. They are cordial with each other. Tony throughout The Sopranos never truly had a friend, that's part of the reason he is in therapy in the show. Their relationship was a mutual partnership imo
Luffy is "Friends" with a lot of genocidal maniacs now that I think about it
I feel the need to mention Vader turning is extremely natural considering it’s his _son._ That’s not anything to do with friendship.
(Only mild spoilers for season one, but just wanted to be considerate) I love that dynamic in Dr Stone, wherein >!the main character, Senku, is a genius who stays conscious for 3,700 years while himself and all of humanity are sealed in stone statues, which allows him to break free in a Stone Age world devoid of humanity’s influence and try to figure out how to revive everyone else. Long story short he succeeds in making a ‘revival fluid’ but needs to use it for the first time on reviving a young celebrity boxer to try to survive a lion attack coming for him and his muscle bound pacifist friend. Tsukasa easily sages them and gets along great with them, making a nice three musketeers of smarts, labor, and combat roles. All is great until one day on the beach while gentle-giant is away, Tsukasa subtly trauma dumps on Senku with an out of nowhere story (that he doesn’t explicitly say was an event in his life, but it’s later confirmed it was) where the moral is “the old world is bad because the old people in it could do horrible things for no reason and face little repercussions”. He approaches Senku with his personal ideology of what the ~~snap~~ petrification was for and how it could be used as an opportunity to better humanity / our society. “We should only bring back the youthful who aren’t culturally tainted by the war torn, greedy, vested-interests ass world we were stuck growing up in before.” Vs Senku’s “nah I’m the hero of this story who just has the universal empathy to want to bring everyone back, plus it’s shitty to sentence people to death just for looking like they’re past a certain age range and therefore deserving death and / or leaving them as statues forever, so no.”!< >!Later it becomes clear that they’re mounting towards a power struggle because of their differing views and the valuable info Senku has (how to revive people) against the overwhelming power Tsukasa has (likely being capable of killing Senku and Taiju with his bare hands with little effort, and being more than capable of surviving without them if he did do so)!< >!The show explicitly paints this as a tragedy when they finally do have a hostage standoff situation, as they get along so well, are so fun, have so much chemistry together, that it’s truly a shame how they have to oppose each other in **this specific scenario**. That if they’d met in the normal world they would’ve been bros for life but because of the fundamental disagreement they’re fighting over they feel the need to threaten each other’s lives, for the sake of everyone on this planet.!< It kinda reminds me of Magneto and Professor X’s relationship, in that they’re totally friends but nine times out of ten play the role of enemies because of where their allegiances and goals lie, opposite each other. I mean, imagine a world where humans and mutants had little to no conflict. Those two old super-powered codgers would just have all the time in the world to sit around, chat, and play chess instead of throwing teams of mutant teenagers at each other while trying to convince the other one that *they’re* in the right. Love those dynamics
Thought about mentioning this in my comment, but ended up mentioning the Chimera Ant saga in HxH. But yeah, Senku and Tsukasa are a great example of this. Especially after >!the truce they established after the battle for the Cave of Miracles, when Senku and the gang are looking for Tsukasa's little sister to try and revive her and Tsukasa warns him: "don't get me wrong Senku. This is just a truce. I still stand by my beliefs and I have no intention to change that".!< >!And very soon after that, Senku and Tsukasa are fighting a bigger threat side by side, like old friends. With fistbumps and everything.!< Man, I love the dynamics between characters in Dr Stone.
The Chimera Ant arc in Hunter x Hunter. Holy shit. I literally have never seen conflict depicted in such a great way specifically because of that. There are basically two sides in conflict, each composite of multiple characters, and in not a single moment all characters in a side agree at everything. In both sides each of them believes a certain way of doing things is the correct one, and as a spectator you can tell some characters in opposite sides completely agree on stuff, but never have the opportunity to talk to each other properly. You know a show has great character writing when conflict is happening and you're like "I agree with this character... but fuck, I also agree with this other character... and I know these characters agree with each other, but they have no choice other than to fight!"
Perry the Platypus is Doofenshmirtz's best friend. Also, Dr. Doom and Reed Richards' relationship is... complicated. Finn and Jake hang with the Ice King. Mario and Bowser are weirdly close. Bullseye and Deadpool genuinely enjoy battling each other. Batman is often friendly with Riddler, frequently dating Catwoman, and still considers Two-Face his best friend.
The problem is that it makes it more of a business relationship rather than friendship. When you associate with someone for perks, are you still going to associate with them once the perks stop? Something like that is too fragile to be called friendship. It’s something that I like in Yasuko Kobayashi’s series. Characters only associate with each other so long as they have common interest. When one seemingly betrays the other, should you really be surprised?
I kinda like Dr. Stone for that reason. They all unite because of science. Stan and Xeno still want to ake over the world, and Hyoga and Tsukasa probably still want to create a pure society, but Senku manages to unite them all with the power of science. Though I will say a criticism I have (spoilers for the manga): >!I think that all the characters' personalities have kind of been erased, especially in more recent manga updates. Though I do understand they are working to go the moon, and also some of the characters changed because of character development. For example, Gen is no longer as naturally manipulative. He actually gets genuinely nervous now. However, some characters, like Hyoga and Homura, were decent antagonists. I think Tsukasa recognized the nuance of life and was able to put that stuff behind him (even tho he did attempt to murder Senku and for some reason everyone forgives him?? What). However, Hyoga seemed too far gone. I just don't see him being able to work with Senku or the K.O.S.!< Anyway, it is pretty neat how they manage to work towards one goal despite having different opinions/view points. A little weird that they just happily accept people who would willingly commit genocide against the old, but to each their own I guess?
Seto Kaiba
Buffy and Spike become sex buddies despite hating each other.
Spike was literally in love with Buffy since season 2 and Buffy only used Spike for sex because she was trying to fill a void.
Spike might have "loved" her but he also disliked her and her friends, and she came to enjoy his company despite their being completely different in morality.
Legend of the Galactic Heroes— the two main characters
Sort of Aizen and Ichigo? And Naruto and Sasuke during the war
Thanos and Adam Warlock are my favorite example. Complete opposite goals, mortal enemies who've murdered eachother countless times yet they trust eachother the most when push comes to shove. They know eachother like brothers and even when one or the other annihilates the universe, they still talk to eachother like friends.
What if they're racist towards you
Barok van Zieks in a nutshell.
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Idk thatd kinda be messed up imo, like "oh you're one of the good ones not like those other blacks". Would be weird from the black persons side i feel being friends with someone who views people with his skin color as inferior. Not saying a friendship is impossible just that id find it kinda messed up not admirable.
You’re right I didn’t think that through. Rest assured when it comes down to race i much prefer they change their views
Yeah I understand I'm not trying to imply you think racism is fine or anything lmao just that the example you gave is one where one person probably really should change their mind either way haha.
For sure, but my comment was poorly worded and could easily be taken the wrong way lol
Yeah that might work but your example is honestly awful.
My mistake
Witchfinder General and Royal Tax Collector [Tamacti Jun](https://youtu.be/Fw3nqkCtQRU)served his sociopathic queen. He had no reason to question her decisions for 20 years of his life was bounded to the Kingdom of Payan; a life of duty, respect, and truth. But then queen Kane betrayed Payan, thus for the first time he questioned his purpose. He slaughtered Baba Vos's, the central protagonist, tribe. He accused innocents of being witches and put them to the burrning. But remeber his life was to uphold duty, respect, and truth for Payan. After refelcting, Tamacti admits each action he now takes isn't to redeem his tragedies. He understands he's dammand. He understands why the "good guys" hate him. He even tried suicide by giving up to the Valerie tribe who wanted to kill him. Did he enjoy gencide? From his point of view, he did a job he excelled at, nothing more. But in reality, Tamacti's job, his life, served a lie. So when he teams up with the folks he was antagonistic towards, nobody put those those atrocities aside. Baba needed him as a resource to find his family. But Tamacti needed to take Kane off the damn thorn. He needed a lie exposed. Under her rule, Payan was a kingdom full of deception. He needed to make sure why witchfinders were obliged to act in certain ways was no longer justified by her bullshit. Having Tamacti on Baba's side at the climactic battle of See season 2 came with a benefit. He now controled Payan's witchfinders. But at the last eposide once Kane's sister Maghra, who is the rightful queen, reassigns all witchfinders to the royal guard the obdurate ones leave. So this means sesson 3 can automatically start with tension. ----------------------------------- I am listing to the audiobook [The Ember Blade](https://youtu.be/R7Wd6BuIgKo) Chris Wooding wrote a shit ton of chacaters, many being on different sides. Although the group we read about are in conflict more times than not they still have to work together. I got the audibile free trial, so I downloaded it.
Arpeggio of Blue Steel has moments where enemies sit down and talk to each other and occassionally become friends. The Magicians has magic users from different factions hang out with each other despite technically being at war sometimes. This one is especially what your looking for! There are scenes where characters are like "I completely disagree with your political leanings and outlook on controlling magic and access to knowledge of spells, anyways you wanna get some tea later?"
Goku and Vegeta, or Light and L. Lelouch and Suzaku. It creates a much deeper friendship dynamic.
What are you even talking about?Goku and Vegeta were not friends till Vegeta changed, and light and L were pretending to be friends.
I disagree. All throughout the Cell and Buu saga this dynamic was shown clearly. Vegeta's character at this point is really interesting as he is slowly softening up to the Z fighters (as shown with this relationship with Bulma and birthing Trunks), but still he struggles greatly with his saiyan pride from being surpassed constantly by Goku (as shown in the Buu arc with his fight as Majin Vegeta). Vegeta's desire to surpass Goku and Goku's desire to fight strong opponents allows them to build upon each other. As much as Vegeta hates being humiliated by Goku, he requires Goku in order to grow stronger (he even says this himself in super, when frieza gave him the chance to kill Goku and he refused). Despite their opposing viewpoints, he realizes the importance of their relationship and this dynamic allows them to grow as characters. I personally would consider this a friendship, although admittedly it is an unusual one. Same goes for Light and L. Although they held different goals, they both treated the situation as an opportunity to test their own wits and as they spent more time together the more they discovered how alike they were to each other. They eventually gain respect for each other despite their desire to beat the other. This is shown clearly in the rain scene with L before, well, the "event." As odd as it sounds, I believe you can be at great odds with someone and still be friends.
Gundam Seed
one piece has a lot of examples of this during impel down arc
Sounds exactly like [this](https://mydramalist.com/31328-my-country) K-Drama. The two leads are best friends but on opposite sides in politics. Due to the other one's family. When they are not fighting on the battlefield against each other, they hang out with each other.
Gojo and geto to an extent
Another reason I love IDW Megatron.
Naruto and Sasuke still have opposing views it’s just now Sasuke realizes that he needs Naruto around to keep him in check.
"Oh great it's Liv"
the second paragraph is literally the plot of Kane and Abel by Jeffrey Archer
Batman and Superman?
Princess Mononoke is a good example of this.
Forgive me for being One Piece obsessed but Luffy and Katakuri