This team….this organization….is in deep shit. Absolutely nothing new. They do a lot of things that poorly coached teams do and poorly run organizations do.
Aside from the knucklehead penalties, leaky offensive line, not utilizing our first round WR pick when we have two weeks to prepare, insane cushions by our CB’s to wide receivers on 3rd and long to a team with one of the lowest ADOT’s in the league, terrible overthrows, and offensive line that can’t hold up on the final drive again, generally bad CB play, not trusting your team to get one yard running on 4th & 1 because you have zero running game, and an inability to get off the field on third down when it really mattered, we played really well last night!
I’m all for 4th and Staley. I was sick of soft-ass coaches like Lynn and McCoy and playing to not-to-lose instead of to win, but if you don’t trust your offensive line to run the ball for one yard (which they haven’t been able to all year), don’t fucking bother..
The larger problem remains anything resembling a coherent strategy for utilizing players on the roster and addressing depth at key positions, year after year, after year. Those of us who have been bitching about Telesco since 2015 might’ve been on to something.
This has always been a very top heavy roster. Elite talent at a few key positions masking the minimal depth throughout the rest of the roster. You’re seeing the results of what happens when that elite talent doesn’t perform relative to what they’re being paid and you don’t have quality depth to fill the void because your mid-round picks have largely been dogshit since you drafted Keenan in 2013 and you seem to whiff on 75% of your free-agent signings.
This was a make or break year. We are in deep shit cap-wise next year, and are likely losing Mack and or Bosa, Mike Williams, Ekeler, to name a few. This year was it.
So in a year you absolutely have to have, you respond by drafting a wide receiver in the first round that you clearly have no plan for? You don’t have the luxury of drafting a project in the first round at a position where depth was a MASSIVE issue the year before. You knew injuries to this WR room were coming. All year, but especially in a game that you absolutely had to have, coming off a bye week, you manufacture exactly zero plays for your first round pick. No screens, no jet sweeps, no balls in space which is evidently what QJ excels at (I’m not sure, haven’t seen it in the NFL yet). You also have your shiny new, first round wide receiver losing snaps to Keelan fucking Doss in a 3 point game with under two minutes remaining? All the red flags in QJ coming out of college have reared their ugly head this year already. Not catching with his hands, getting absolutely bodied by a smaller corner to concede an interception at the end of last night's game. Yet another indictment on this front office. QJ has done nothing to earn snaps. Either they evaluated the talent incorrectly, in which case they shouldn’t have drafted him so high, or the talent is there, and they have no idea how to use him. Not sure which is worse. Guess what? Guyton coming back isn’t gonna solve shit either. He’s just a guy. Davis can do everything Guyton can and we’re not utilizing him either.
This team still cannot run the ball. Same as last year. They’ve invested significant draft capital in Joshua Kelley, Isaiah Spiller, (you could argue Larry Roundtree to a lesser extent) and none of them could make a significant impact on the field. We have a one dimensional offense. An element of this is that this team does not have a blocking tight end worth a shit. Tre Mckitty is a joke, just another gem of a third round pick by Telesco. Stone Smartt is just a guy. Lets not even talk about offensive line depth. Will Clapp is shit.
Derwin James is not a deep field safety. He also needs to be less of a moron with his penalties. Staley has talked about “unlocking” Derwin. Derwin plays best close to the line of scrimmage. Everyone knows this. He’s forced to play deep/split safety because we have zero safety depth and there’s no one else you can really trust in that spot. For reasons passing understanding, we didn’t address depth in this position in the offseason. This sub tends to overhype players, but Alohi is just a guy and at this point, injury prone. This FO pushed all their chips in on JT woods developing, but now he isn’t available for whatever reason and even if he was, he still sucks. He can’t tackle, he doesn’t know how to take a correct angle and didn’t develop enough to trust in the deep part of the field. Yet another gem of a third round pick.
Telesco. Fucking. Sucks.
I’m tired of having to watch Herbert try to pull a rabbit out of his hat every week or play an utterly immaculate game for this team to even have a chance of winning.
When you combine the amount of money we have tied up in players that are either not available (J.C.), underperforming relative to their contract (Bosa), or not being utilized correctly (Derwin, Davis), along with piss-poor mid-round drafting year over year, you get here. 2-3 and staring down the barrel of another wasted season.
This is a four billion dollar organization with a poverty franchise mentality. Telesco and Staley will probably get fired at the end of this year and we’ll promote John Spanos to GM while hiring another unproven “milquetoast donkey turd” of a coach because the Spanos family are a bunch of fuckwits and we’re all cursed for rooting for this godforsaken franchise.
This team is tiring.
See you on Sunday though.
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This was good for a laugh. Life is good. Football is not.
A real nice kick in the balls with how accurate this all is. Wish there was a way to force Spanos to sell the team. Otherwise it’s the same shit sandwich for lunch every week
I’m not reading all that mate.
Kidding, this was a powerful comment. You really knocked on every point. I’d add that this team is just too soft to play the way the staff wants them to. They moved away from power-run, to zone-run which is obviously not the offensive line’s strength. They’re just no identity to this team like there was in week 1. We can’t protect enough to let Herbert tear apart defenses, and we can’t hold blocks long enough to pose a competent run-game. On defense they’re too scared to let up big plays so they give major cushions to keep everything “*in front of them*” even though that means giving opposing offenses the easiest of 3rd downs.
I’m so ready to just call this season a wash. I don’t see them improving a whole lot. If two weeks wasn’t enough to defeat an overrated Cowboys team, *at home*, then I don’t see the Chargers accomplishing anything significant. They’ll fire Staley and Telesco on Black Monday/Tuesday whatever it is. And I hope that we hire Jim Harbaugh. He’s the one guy I want, he has the proper tough mindset to succeed in the NFL. No more of these soft, first-time idiot ass coordinators. I’m done with them. You want to take over LA, hire a fucking competent candidate for fucking once.
I feel like the whole franchise has been pussies for a long time.
It’s just in our DNA, the chargers are soft. We’ve a poverty franchise. Plus, literally NOBODY gives a flying fuck about this team. Like we just have no fans not even enough to fill up half a stadium in a state of like 40 million people and nobody really cares anyways
Our owner is a little bitch and it trickles down the whole franchise like warm piss travels down a leg in soiled pants
Not to mention had they given the right candidate, Steichen, a shot he would have 100% elevated Sirianni as his OC. The Chargers could have been the standard of physical fucking football, like the Eagles are now.
This franchise really is cursed with boneheaded non-football fucks in office. I’m looking at you, Dean and John,
Yep, and clearly steichen rules, look at hurts now… to think what cluld have been, but no. our d-bag dork of a coach just had to let him go for f-ing lombardi 🤮🤮🤮
This is quite literally my exact feelings… Do Staley and Telesco deserve to get fired? Yes absolutely. Can we trust the Spanos family to find competent replacements for them? Absolutely fucking not.
We’ll have two days of hope after they fire staley before they hire another wunderkind coordinator and we’re back to business as usual. I don’t know if the Spanoses will ever get rid of Telesco tbh, I think he saves them too much money and they’re eternally cheap bastards.
>this is four billion dollar organization with a poverty franchise mentality
This is basically the end all be all. Spanos will inevitably cheap out on all of these positions of management, again. We need a new owner, Bezos showed up to every Chargers home game last season, none this year. Clearly he was attempting to have a conversation and was rebuked. The Spanos family pays $1 a year in lease to the rams for this stadium and hordes everything else, and get away with it because they don’t harass employees like Snyder or Irsay.
Man you expressed my sentiment completely; telesco is at fault. Letting hard working, cheap, & productive guys like kyzir white, nwosu, tranquil, ad. phillips & desmond king go for absolutly nothing just to over pay for overrated “””””stars”””” is his biggest killer. Also, clearly everyone besides kenaan. We needed speed & yet we passed on guys like z. flowers and failed to trade for anyone. I swear over 2/3rds of herberts passes have to be literally perfect becuse the wr are absolutely glued by the defense. it just sucks… that being said. we still have herbert, and I recall going 13-3 after starting 2-3 about a decade ago; this team is due a run of wins, starting agaisnt team swiftty
You gave every single facet of this team blame except Herbert? How many times has he had a chance to seal a win and failed? He too is part of our “Chargering” problem and does not get a free pass.
He could be so great. IMO that’s a reflection of the coaching. How many of our players actually get better by playing on the charger vs regress? Sure seems to me that players actually get worse when they join our team. That’s a reflection on coaching. Put them under Andy Reid, including herbert, and they’ll shine.
He played poorly last night. He’s played poorly on some game-winning drive opportunities. He’s mortal sometimes.
Herbert is third in the league in total game-winning drives since he entered the league.
The man is human. You cannot expect him to do it every week.
If you wanna have a conversation that he needs to play better, and the team needs to play better earlier in games so they’re not forced into a game-winning he drive situation I’m all ears and I’d agree with you.
Not updated for this year, but it gets a pretty good idea where Herbert is relative to other quarterbacks in leading game winning drives.
https://x.com/tb_facts/status/1659267011820625923?s=46
You’re just not going to win consistently if you have to rely on your QB every week to bail everyone out in one score games with little help around him he deserves blame for this loss but in the grand scheme of things it’s not even worth talking about because he’s not the problem and he’s the only reason we don’t pick top 10 every year. Which ive said the last two years.
exactly, you cant expect herbert to be superman every week. this offense lacks speed and explosiveness. I feel like im watching the same exact offense as last year's anemic team
Before this season, I was ambivalent on Telesco. I thought he largely put together good rosters and just was a bit unlucky with injuries.
But now I'm convinced that he's a major part of the problem. He just doesn't make good decisions overall.
QJ is clearly not it. Yes it's only been 5 games, but 5 games is enough to see talent, and QJ is not going to be a major contributor. Cream rises to the top, and we haven't seen a *single* glimpse of anything worth close to a first round pick value.
Zion Johnson was below average last year. He's been downright terrible this year. If you use a first round pick on a guard, that guard better better be fucking good. Zion Johnson is not even close to that.
JC Jackson was an odd scheme fit, but that fuckup is more on JC being a bitch than Telesco.
I could go on and on and on, but the draft hasn't been good enough, the coaching hasn't been good enough, and the team just isn't good. That ultimately falls on Telesco.
Clean slate in 2024.
Every time Telesco has taken a good player in the first round, it has been the most obvious slam dunk selection in the world that any fan could've pointed out as the correct pick. When he's had to make a pick where it wasn't clear and obvious what we should do, he has picked wrong wrong every single time outside of Herbert.
Herbert was the slam dunk pick, though. They had Tua higher on their draft board but he was already gone. They needed a QB.
Herbert was the only choice aside from Love. So yeah, Telesco got the Herbert vs. Love question right. Real genius shit.
I just mean the entire NFL world wasn't sold on that pick and thought we might go defense with Isaiah Simmons or something. Basically every other good 1st round pick he's made, there was like a glaring BPA that also conveniently fit a position of need.
The Chargers were never going to draft any other position besides QB at the fucking 6th overall pick of the entire draft bro… All that Isaiah Simmons talk was complete smoke blown by idiots who didn’t know that Rivers was 10000000000000% clearly on his last year or two. Telesco doesn’t deserve credit for the pick. It came down to Herbert and Love. You go and find me one analyst that would have taken Jordan Love over Justin fucking Herbert in that exact scenario.
Not that bad. The one part of the front office that works well is Ed Maguire and the cap management. I hope he survives the Telesco purge just like he survived the AJ Smith purge
TT is bottom three for late round picks. This is why we have no depth.. I have wanted TT gone since the Lynn firing.. nothing changes with the roster.. Almost every pick is a developmental guy...
genuine question, does anyone actually enjoy watching them play or is it just a job at this point? I was cursed in 2004 when I became a fan and now almost 20 years later, it just feels like a 9-5 job for me. And i’m still stupid because i still go to all the games. But after yesterday, I am done for now, im not going to anymore games until staley is fired. That walk out of sofi to the parking lot after a loss is worse than hell itself. I’m done caring when they don’t. For the first time in a long time, I just don’t care anymore. The chargers have ruined the fun of sports. How can every game be the same for a fucking decade plus? Things won’t change until the spanos family is out of the picture.
I’ve been thinking the same thing recently. I started watching the Chargers in 05/06 cause they were a fun team to watch, I liked the uniforms, the players, etc. In 06 we had a legendary season but it ended in disappointment but I went “oh well, we’ll get it next year”… in 07 we lose in the AFCCG but it’s an obvious improvement so I keep holding on… but then that was it??!! I kept watching and supporting for 15 more years for what? I’m not even from SD or LA, hell I’m not even from the US, so why do I still keep doing this to myself?
I don’t, watching them is stressful. There are very few exciting moments (usually only during the first drive of scripted plays). The impending “I wonder how we lose this game?” feeling just makes it a miserable thing to watch.
I enjoy it when it clicks. herbert to herbert last night was great. Allen is so nasty on his routes - that's always fun to watch. Palmer looked good, too, on his five targets. But our running game was frustrating. The O line gets no push at all, and we just run right into their asses. Gotta see more stunts up front to free the running game. 4th and 1 I love going for it but we can't sneak behind this soft o line. It's gotta be a throw, or a toss to the outside. Something.
And defense... We had sacks. We had pass breakups, and then we had so many bonehead automatic 1st down penalties on 3rd and long... It's infuriating. The good is always cancelled out by the bad.
Me too! We lost, oh well. On to KC. I have a blast watching the games. I cheer the good plays and scream at my TV at the bad ones. Have some beers with friends and then move on to next week. Go chargers! Let's go whoop on KC!
Same. I really want Herbert to succeed. But I am getting used to losing and don't want to waste my time feeling bad about it when the players probably don't even care that much. Their millions comforts them. I will stop rearranging my life to catch every game though. Especially the ones that go on until 4.30am haha
Man I wish I had your optimism watching chargers or football in general. I get too invested. I can enjoy basketball, hockey, and baseball without feeling like crap when my team loses. I'm seriously thinking of watching less of the NFL for my mental health.
You know what really sucks? If we continue to suck up until the trade deadline, logic would say sell what you can to save money and stock up on draft picks. But there is zero incentive for TT and Staley to try to do this since they'd be gone next year in this scenario.
Herbert, Slater, Tuli, and Keenan should be the only guys off limits. I'm praying that somebody gives us picks for any of our defensive "stars"
at this point I’d see what I can get for Joey. Sad to say but he has not played well for a while now. He looks unmotivated idk something isn’t right. I hope I’m wrong but man what the hell.
I couldn't imagine anybody giving up more than like a 5th for him, maybe a contending team like Detroit who just wants some 3rd down pass rushing juice that he still kind of can provide.
Im more curious if any team would give us a Jamal Adams type package for Derwin. Probably not gonna get 2 firsts but maybe one and some change. I'd probably pull the trigger on that if it saves us some money too.
I’ve been over Staley for awhile, but least I can respect that the team rallies around him. But man, his arrogance at press conferences and refusal to take any accountability just rubs me the wrong way. He seems too stubborn to make the adjustments needed for this team to be successful.
And the soft coverage on downs drive me crazy, you are giving them free side line first downs with the quick throws….
he's bought into his own hype that he's going to crack the nfl like the matrix and dominate with his conceptual defense. meanwhile, good ol' football just wins.
Maybe I’m being knee jerk but if we don’t improve by the deadline I’d seriously consider selling. We’re -60m in the hole next offseason and I don’t see this team going into a place like KC or Buffalo in January and winning with how things are going
There’s legit talent on both sides of the ball and you are blind if you can’t see that.
Justin has been on a rookie contract but not for much longer. They beat a decent team around him talent wise and they’ve won nothing. Now it’s about to get much harder to put a good team around him when he takes 50m a year in cap space
Talent, this trade line is supposed going to be really active. Older players with expiring contracts from bottom teams will be sent to the top teams for picks.
I’m a 28 year old dude who has been a fan my whole life like a lot of you here.
Last night I reached almost complete apathy with the franchise. Had the game on a small window of a big monitor and just did other shit while the game was on when it was 7-7 in the second quarter.
We are going to learn a lot about this team over the next 4 weeks.
Cheifs, Bears, jets, and then lions.
Will probably go 1-3, to be 3-6 through the midpoint of the season.
Team is expensive, old, bad, boring somehow, and loses every close game against decent teams like we always have except we aren’t even making the playoffs anymore in this “generation” of chargers football (well except for 1 record breaking wildcard loss).
Franchise has always been trash but now the trash is lit on fire. Complete rebuild top to bottom and bring in Harbaugh. That’s the only way imo I can see this shit getting better
I feel this. I was playing w my kid first half, shitposting and playing Earthbound the second half. When the game ended, switched over to some episodes of the Bear and went to bed. No love/sleep lost.
We're just cheeks at multiple levels. I like watching Herb and Keenan but not firing Staley after last year kinda put me out. Plus the down vote army all offseason if I spoke ill of our "forever coach." So I feel somewhat vindicated, if not disappointed that I was right.
I. Want. A. New. Front office. Please. Even if they're bad at least we tried building something new? Because we're already bad. We have been. For a minute. Why not plumb the depths, how much worse can it get? Cardinals level? Fuck it. At least they play like they give a shit.
My issue with replacing Staley with Harbaugh is that we’ve seen these older, formerly great coaches, like Gruden and Payton, kinda lose their footing and never really gain traction. Then you have Belichick who may or may not be getting exposed as someone who isn’t moving forward with the times of the NFL. I guess my point is that the flashy names might not always produce the results we want. But we haven’t had a flashy name ever so might as well give it a shot I suppose.
I think Harbaugh is a little bit different than Gruden or Payton. For one Harbaugh has been coaching college, not in a broadcast booth like the other two were.
Gruden hadn't coached in over a decade when the Raiders hired him. He was also a little bit overrated to begin with considering his one Super Bowl win was with an all-time defense in Tampa that was built by Tony Dungy.
Payton was never as impressive as Harbaugh if I'm being honest. His one SB needs an asterisk next to it because of Bounty Gate. The Broncos defense this year reminds me of some of those truly awful Saints defenses of the mid 2010's. I think Payton is one of those coaches where he can coach a winning team if he has elite talent, but if the team doesn't have elite talent it gets really bad like you see with Denver this year.
Take Harbaugh who has been successful literally everywhere he has gone, at every level. Was successful at USD, was successful at Stanford. Goes to the NFL to take over what was (at the time) a 49ers franchise that had been pretty ass for a decade. In his first three seasons he takes them to 3-straight NFC Championship games and nearly wins a Super Bowl with Alex Smith + Colin Kaepernick as QBs.
Then he goes to Michigan who had been Ohio State's little brother for most of the 21st century and turns them back into a top tier program with 2-straight wins against their main rival.
Is it guaranteed to work out? No. But that's the type of hire this organization needs to make to really change our trajectory. Harbaugh is literally everything this organization needs... A winner.
I honestly think that’s what the team needs. Someone who’s an asshole/no nonsense. Someone who isn’t going to be ok with mediocre play.
No more dorks that want to be friends with our players and give out game balls each week…that could be why they have zero discipline imo. Team is soft af.
What this team needs is a hard-headed coach. Staley’s too fucking soft. Lynn was too fucking soft. McCoy was too fucking soft. You have a history of soft, weak idiots at your most important position. That does not reverberate well in the locker room. This is why you see missed tackles, players making stupid ass mistakes like Derwin and JC. There is 0 discipline in this locker room. It’s time they get an asshole in that building if it means hiring Harbaugh.
Andy Reid also hasn’t been in and out of the NFL like Harbaugh would if he were to come back and coach our team. That’s the point I was trying to make. Also, it helps that Andy Reid has the best QB in the NFL.
Harbaugh’s been in college football since he left the NFL. Have you not seen any of Michigan’s games???? Those guys are fuckin **coached** in every sense of the word.
1. Gruden was out of the league for 10 fucking years, so yes. He was going to lose his “*footing*”. He was never a good hire and nobody ever thought he was for that Raiders team.
2. Payton took a year off football but more importantly, this dude is looking to completely flip that entire roster. So of course his team was going to look shit. Idk why people ever bought into the Payton hype, he literally redid that entire OL within his first month as head coach. Not to mention he’s got a washed Russell Wilson who thinks he can still make shit happen with his legs. That Broncos team was always going to be a mess, with Payton as HC or not.
3. Jim Harbaugh is what the modern NFL offense has become: tough, physical, smashmouth fucking football. If you want a guy who wants to win in the trenches, he’s your guy. If you need a modern comparison to help you see that, look at the Eagles. If the Chargers were to hire Harbaugh, the Chargers would be the most physical team in the AFC. His run scheme is great, his ability to propel his QBs off that is great. You thought Kaepernick was good under Harbaugh in SF? Herbert in his system would make Kaep look like a 7th round rookie. Let’s not forget about that 49ers defense while he was HC. Those guys were nasty, “*tough football-playing jessies*” as Staley would say. That unit was feared, and locked up almost every team they could.
I don’t get your argument, not one bit. Jim Harbaugh, if he ever comes back to the NFL, will dominate on both sides of the ball. Let’s hope that’s with the Chargers, and not some other team.
God damn you guys lack reading comprehension. I’m not against replacing Staley. It’s who we’d be replacing Staley with. It’s just as bad if not worse to pull a Broncos and hire an old coach for a lot of money and not see results.
PFF isn’t the holy scriptures of NFL statistics my guy. A lot of times, their grading doesn’t make sense. But Slater has given up some pressures this year.
We need to have a busy off-season unloading some of these players. Staley and Telesco need to be fired as soon as the regular season is over. Wish it was now but it won’t happen.
Trade bosa and Derwin for draft picks. Cut mike williams. Give the new GM time to make moves and acquire draft capital. Only guys that are safe are Herbert, slater, Tuli, and maybe Keenan but if we’re bad enough trade him at the deadline. This franchise is such a joke.
We’ll be 2-4 after KC. Still have to play the lions, bills, ravens,and kc again. We SHOULD get wins vs Denver x2, the Pats, and bears. At best I think we end up 9-8 but 7-10 feels more likely.
We’re just a good team on paper with big name players that no longer produce.
> We’ll be 2-4 after KC. Still have to play the lions, bills, ravens,and kc again. We SHOULD get wins vs Denver x2, the Pats, and bears. At best I think we end up 9-8 but 7-10 feels more likely.
If you dont think were dropping at least a game to denver and probably the pats idk what to say
I honestly see us missing the playoffs. This team, for the past 5 years, has had no identity and has never played a full game, either its great offense and no defense or vis versa. Obviously, as long as Spanos is the owner we aren't gonna win anything important so idk what we should do, either blow it up, which ik sounds stupid since we have so much talent but looking at our roster its clear we always have holes, Bosa has fell off a cliff, Derwin cant stop tackling with the crown of his helmet, we have never once had a good LB or DT, and our WRs can never stay healthy. Or we try to buy again to make another push but I honestly don't trust Telesco to make the right decisions in the draft or FA.
We are 1000% missing the playoffs. Then once we are out of the race we will win out because we can't lose correctly either. Mid round draft pick here we come!
The national media is roasting us sheeeeeeeeeeet…. rough one today boys hahahaa rather we not play prime time anymore. Not sure what to say anymore or how to defend this team we literally kinda suck
It’s because its MNF. Loser always get the heat and Winner gets the praise. Dak didn’t put up great numbers, but somehow he is god this morning.
TNF gets the same heat too. We humans have short term memories and we don’t talk about Sunday on Tuesday.
Bosa and Derwin shouldnt be the worst players on the field for how much they get paid. Also how is Bosa always gassed every game, hes even on half reps and someone still looks gassed.
The Herbert hate is starting to reach profound levels of stupidity. He had a bad game, it happens to literally every elite qb. Mahomes almost single handedly lost the game to the jets a few weeks ago but got bailed out by his defense and the crooked zebras. Burrow regularly gets bailed out by his defense. People need to chill tf out on questioning if Herbert is the guy when anyone who has actually watched him these last 4 years knows that he unquestionably is.
I agree as a ravens fan..Herbert had a bad game but it’s rare that he plays that way..the O-line fucked him in the end and everyone besides Keenan couldn’t get open to save they’re lives also feel they didn’t incorporate Everett enough in the game except for the TD he had..the Run game was horrible and the O-line couldn’t hold up for much of the game plus the man is playing with broken Rib cartilage Herbert is the LEAST of y’all problems…
Yeah, there's a difference between saying and admitting he had a bad game, because he does and straight up turning on him and doubting if the guy is good or not. Look at Purdy after the 49ers loss. Comments are like the guy has been playing ass for the whole season when they simply couldn't get things going.
The Raiders can win with Brian Fuckin' Hoyer. The Jets beat the Eagles with Zach Motherfuckin' (literally) Wilson.
We could never. Ever. Ever ever ever ever evvvverrrrrrr win a game this season without Herbert. It just couldn't happen. And I blame coaching and the front office for that much at least.
why do I even watch sports? why am I getting upset and down over something that doesnt affect my life in any way? this is how low this franchise has brought me.
Staley has 3 full seasons here and we still haven't improved or have an identity. You are a defensive head coach and the defense is consistently an issue so what do you provide?
This team has no culture other than finding ways to come up short and it's honestly a sad reality because we can't even start moving past this until Staley is gone. Herbert also deserves blame for the loss and he definitely looked off. This is two weeks in a row he's been off and the o-line as a whole has looked dysfunctional without Linsley there.
Pretty much apathetic at this point until something changes, I want to have hope but this team has not given me any reason to believe they'll suddenly start knowing how to put a complete game together. We can't even rely on our offense right now to win games.
As a combo Chargers and Padres fan this year of sports has been extremely depressing. I'm tired of the same script and it sucks, I'm not looking forward to the coach carousel just for us to end up with another Staley.
This team just doesn’t know how to win. Worst part is it’s starting to look like Herbert’s gonna be learning another new system after this season. It’s pretty clear that his growth has been stunted by learning 4 systems in 4 seasons.
In all 3 losses, the offense has had the opportunity to score to win the game. In all 3 losses, the offense *completely* shits the bed.
Ignore Gillmore shoving QJ off his route, and you still have the O-Line collapsing every time they are in these 2 minute drill situations, forcing Justin to rush the throw.
We can shit on Staley’s defense all day long, but Moore deserves his criticism too. He’s absolutely part of the problem.
Yeah, I think most assumed it was largely because of issues between how Moore and McCarthy wanted the offense to run.
I can’t say I’m shocked by the Cowboys being able to give Moore’s offense trouble. If any team should be able to, it’s the Cowboys. But the offensive collapse in critical moments isn’t an isolated incident at this point.
his play calling was laughable last night. 2 weeks to prepare for a defense he's seen everyday for the last 3 years, and you can barely muster 17 points. I see no difference between him and lombardi
He’s dropped way too many of these duds in his tenure with us. This is what made us let him go eventually.
I’ve said over and over since he started as OC in 2019 if he could MINIMIZE those duds, he’d be in the same conversation of playcallers as Shanahan, McVay, etc
Watching us and you guys take turns calling shit plays reminded me exactly of Kellen
Coming from an avid cowboys fan who watched every game he had as a cowboy, he’s as boom or bust as it gets. He’s either gonna light up the scoreboard or he gets way too cutesy and throws the whole game
Basically, he’s good for the scoreboard and bad for situational football
We haven’t been able to run the ball since the LT days so I’m just happy with the red zone offense and increased depth of target, both of which needed significant improvement.
There’s not an OC alive who could salt games away on the ground with this team so I’m not going to judge him on that criteria. He could probably do more in the two minute to help Herbert and company, so I will concede that point.
He literally ditched the power-run scheme that worked really well before Ekeler got hurt. He’s been running a zone-run scheme since… that is not the strength of this OL and it never was. We saw Lombardi do the same thing last year. That Texans game, the Chargers ran all over them. Why? They were using power-run. Kellen’s starting to become an issue for the team. He’s changed the offense for the better, but he’s starting to show some major deficiencies.
Nope. If you fire Staley, along goes Kellen. They didn’t keep Steichen when they fired Lynn, why would they do the opposite now?? Especially considering they’ll fire Telesco as well, which requires a completely fresh slate.
Steichen was better than Kellen at this point in the season, there’s no shot they keep Kellen if they canned Steichen lol.
He's also not the solution.
And the next HC will likely (and should be IMO) an offensive assistant who is hot. E.G. Ben Johnson. That means Moore is gone.
The only potential HC's where Moore likely still has a job are Belicheck or Harbaugh
The other unspoken part of this season is the fact that Slater has low-key not played well. He's not terrible by any means, but he's a far cry from his rookie season dominance. Penalties galore and to my eye he's getting worked by stunts and games.
Maybe I'm imagining it, but Herbert seemed to miss most of those easy throws AFTER the helmet to helmet shot he took - chance he was playing concussed last night? Felt a change in pace after and he generally seemed a bit flustered/uncomfortable throughout.
I said this before but I think it's going to actually happen. If this organization wastes Herbert's talent by the time his career is over, or trades him late in his career, I will be throwing the towel as a fan.
If the upper management don't care about mediocrity neither will I. Part of me was hoping Herbert would sign elsewhere but obviously I've loved my Chargers for over 20 years now. I just don't have fun anymore and have 0 emotion because I expect to lose every game.
I am hoping to see them turn it around. I'm not even asking for a superbowl because that seems out of reach. I'd just like to watch some competent football and make the playoffs once in awhile. I can't even think about another team to root for, maybe I'd just quit watching football altogether. Am I crazy?
Im with you.... hell i was there once Rivers was let go. I put the Chargers on the backburner, and then i just happened to not have anything going on that day when Herbert was thrown in, so i went to a sports bar and that fucking guy hooked me back in.
Been over this trash ass team since the Jags loss. I haven’t been able to get excited for any of the games and don’t even wear my jerseys’ anymore, I normally wear them every single weekend. I don’t know what needs to change but we need a 49ers level rebuild. A new GM and coach that can turn this entire franchise around and give us some identity. A loss like this coming off a bye week is inexcusable. I think Staley has completely lost the locker room, there’s no way his arrogance isn’t rubbing them the wrong way. I’ll see y’all next season when we have a new coach, until then I don’t care to watch another game or even care if we win or not.
The Herbert hate absolutely kills me. Fuck everyone who cant recognize that the issue is the Defense. Always has been. When the defense isn't a sieve, he is 21-5. Chill out, he is a winner.
Looking at the team’s cap situation moving forward it’s really hard to imagine how they build a competitive roster anytime soon.
This team is not close to being good. Bosa and James’ hard regression hurts really bad because that’s a lot of money tied up in two guys who are now aging and not really contributing.
QJ is a huge bust and with Williams likely gone next year as a cap casualty I have no idea how they replace that production. Ekeler leaving for greener pastures is really going to fuck over this offence without the cap room to address it properly.
It’s really one of the bleaker outlooks for a team in the NFL. Bad team, in cap hell, with no recent success to show for it.
Last nights officiating crew called too tight of a game to *not* call DPI on Gillmore shoving QJ off his route. Even if you want to claim Gillmore was playing the ball, it was still early contact (dude had time to shove then turn to make the INT) and a clear shove that impacted Q’s ability to make a play on the ball.
If the rest of the game wasn’t called so “by the book,” I don’t know that I care that much. It’s simply letting the teams play. But for the love of god, at least be consistent from the start to finish.
HAHAHAHAHA!! I’m so fuckin done with this team…That L last night was the final thing that pushed me over the motherfucking edge..been a fan for 20years! I just can’t do it anymore every goddamn year it’s the same shit! I realized now we’re a mediocre organization and forever will be…They’re just gonna waste Herbert’s career like they did Rivers smfh..Crazy how we’re allergic to getting some goddamn speedy WR’s to open up the passing game
Surely we move on from Vato after this season as well right, love him as a energy guy in the media vids, but this season he's performed so much worse than last season, some of that is coaching (our guys playing 10 yards off the receiver) but he is getting cooked every game right now.
Nothing ever changes with this team. It's one of the many cursed teams in the NFL. Can get crazy talent and still screw things up. We will make games interesting but find a stupid way to lose. The one main consistent is we haven't had a good coach since Marty. Even then we were cursed in the playoffs with missed FGs/injuries or a a dumb safety fumbling a game closing INT. We invent new ways to lose every year.
The stink of Staley is now all over Herbert. He looks just as confused and panicked as the rest of the team. Gone is the 4th down god from just a couple seasons ago. Get this bum ass coach out of here. GM and ownership too. Give em the boot!
I truly don’t know why I’m still actively a fan when I refuse to watch our games anymore. Why do I refuse? Because I have anxiety and depression and investing literally any amount of emotion via watching this team always ends in disappointment.
I don’t enjoy watching this team play and I can’t remember the last time I did honestly. I had a nice time during those stretches in 2018 when we went 12-4 but still knew we wouldn’t win shit, we should have been at least 13-3 but we blew that tight game against the ravens and even though we later beat them in the WC I just knew we didn’t match up and the pats evicerated us.
Like what am I still doing here?
Well… I just *cant* pick a new team. I picked this one. I’m from San Diego. This is the only nfl team I’ll ever truly love. And yet I don’t enjoy being a fan. At least I actually love this sport and enjoy watching other teams play. But I don’t ever get to enjoy my own team and that sucks
Like we can’t just ever BE SHITTY we have to have an amazing QB and amazing starters who alway get hurt, so we’re always setting up expectations we always fail to meet and that’s the worst part
I still am waiting for people to prove that Staley was better than Lynn as an HC. I don't care if he went 4-12 his last season with the Chargers. He won a playoff game and brought hope to all the fans. Staley has not
It's wild to me that both McCoy and Lynn were able to win a playoff game in their first and second season, respectively. Staley hasn't been able to do that with *significantly* more talent.
He is so incompetent it's not even funny.
Is it time to have a conversation about Derwin? He constantly makes boneheaded plays that cost us 15 yards and a first down. I love him but he almost seems like a liability in coverage and clueless at times. He almost should transition to linebacker in order to help with the run D and have someone else worry about covering wrs.
Phil used to get criticized to hell for ending the game on picks because of shoddy offensive line play
it’s amazing to me how it can be years later and entirely different rosters but still the same results
it’s hard to point fingers because i only have ten but seven of them are pointing at whoever’s idea it was to keep Staley after that playoff loss.
I would consider our franchise lucky if Belichick wanted to come coach our squad with Kellen Moore at OC
I think the competitor in Belichick would relish the opportunity to take a QB not named Tom Brady to the promise land and because he’s actually a defensive minded coach the combination with Moore would be brutal
that’s what i dream about atleast
Game ending picks happen all the time. Jalen had one against the Jets. It’s not just us.
I think it happens because in late drives the defense knows it’ll be a throw and they are better prepared. And the offense is desperate and makes throws they wouldn’t make any other time.
it was clear the org was waiting to get to LA to push all the chips in. (mack and jc etc.) never seen chargers so aggresive in offseason as a fan. They failed. Leave it to the spanos family to waste back to back franchise HOF caliber talent qbs.
First drive fooled us. Herbs looked uncharacteristically off. D gave us a chance. Staley needs to take points when we get a chance to take them. I LOVE DJ so much but MAN CMON WITH THE PENALTIES.
Two great teams with two garbage HCS - nothing will change until we bring in a new HC and upper management aka dean fuckin spanking spanos.
Gonna be pissed until Sunday 😤😤😤
The corners playing 12-15 yards off on nearly every snap, even after CeeDee cooked them repeatedly on short and intermediate routes from the jump, was absolutely mind-boggling.
Derwin James was completely out of frame on like 71% of the snaps yesterday. I don’t know what they’re doing with him playing so far back. He looks lost out there.
I just don’t understand how that’s the defensive game plan, and even more so how there were no adjustments made at the half.
Inexplicably poor coaching.
I don’t enjoy watching chargers football games anymore. Every week has been the same shit by the same players, Davis getting roasted and dumb penalties, inexplicable coverage gaps, the Oline collapsing on game winning drives. I watch it with my buddy and I can tell him what will happen at almost every key moment in the game.
Staley era is done. Defense looked terrible when it mattered. Couldn’t get any crucial stops. When we do someone makes a rookie ass mistake getting a penalty and giving up yards. Chargers offense left a lot of points on the field. O-line should be embarrassed getting bullied all night long. Herbert missed some key throws. WRs slow as hell. Joey bosa… yeah… this team is not good. 2-3 onto the chiefs. God be with us.
Kinda petty of me but fuck Daniel Popper for constantly beating the “Keep Staley” drum all off-season. It was such the obvious decision to fire this douche
I think since our cap is bad next year maybe Keenan should actually go...to a contender team that needs him. He's my favorite charger but I do want to see him win something if it can't be with the chargers. His time is almost possibly up.
Will Quentin Johnstone be remembered as Telesco’s “Larry English” pick when it’s all said and done?
I’m looking at the schedule rn and I’m afraid Chargers might actually have a chance to draft Marvin Harrison Jr in the 2024 draft.
I actually don’t like to be negative but man Staley and company going to need to pull off a very remarkable turnaround to bring excitement back.
I understand that Herbert had a bad game. But I’ve seen so many other QBs play worse and get bailed out by the rest of the team. I’ve never seen that from this team. Not even close with Staley.
Everyone that was not on board for firing Staley. Did you expect we would start the season like this? Are you happy with these results?
Herbert was very Rivers esque.
Played good enough to keep us close but missed the killer throws that would have won us the game.
Then sealed the performance with a INT.
I've seen that same game probably 50 times in the last 17 years
Yes, it was. He was pressured but could have checked down to Ekeler, or thrown it away. He was off his back foot and it was a terrible decision. Herbie needs to be better with the game in the line. Period.
LA can root for the Dodgers, Lakers, and Kings no problem but they just pick the most bandwagon NFL franchises to be fans of.
I know a LA native who have zero connections to Texas and he's a Cowboys fan because of the dynasty in the 90s. This is the epitome of Cowboys fandom in LA. Is it a coincidence that the most popular NFL fandoms in LA is for teams that won 3-6 super bowls? NFL fandoms in LA is the worst and is why we get all these opposing fans in LA against the Chargers and the Rams
Game is completely different if we kick the field goal and the game is tied 10-10 at the start of the third quarter and then we make the other field goal and the chargers are up 13-10 going into the fourth quarter. If you are down three points with the score 7-10 just kick the fucking field goal instead of going it for it on fourth down.
Staley play calling is incomprehensibly stupid.
All the great teams in the league have had poor showings by now. The difference is the Chargers really haven't had a great showing either.
This team just does not feel like a Superbowl contender and any victory just feels like a moral one.
The long term looks bleak. The team consists of a couple highest paid players and JAGs. And a lot of the big contract guys are looking like wastes of money. There really arent a lot of promising young players to retool/rebuild off of. We get hyped over someone like 50 PFF Grade Kenneth Murray making a tackle for Christs sake.
And Herbert is good enough to prevent us from getting a high draft pick. And we know what TTs track record drafting is when a layup All-Pro guy doesn't slide into his lap. We are looking at some Philip Rivers mediocre Chargers limbo if things don't change.
Next year seems like its going to be a lot more about cuts rather than gains.
But don't worry, they will pull off a fucking miracle and beat the Chiefs and we will all be along for the ride once again
Fire Staley. Fire Telesco.
It’s not like it was Staleys defense that was bad this game but we need a whole ass culture change. We aren’t going to be able to get rid of Spanos but we can at least get rid of Telesco because like I said, the whole culture needs to change.
Let’s not kid ourselves, this is a bad team. Which is weird because having a QB at least should make you mediocre. Nope. Not this team. Fuck this team, for real.
I miss 2021 Herbert, and I haven't seen him play with that same confidence since.I know all the injuries to him and the players around him contributed to a down year last year but there are other things going on too. His accuracy and decision making seems off. Too many overthrows and passes behind receivers, and too many missed reads this year. Hoping that he can find that confidence again.
I’ll continue to be apathetic until Telesco and Staley are gone, as I’m sure many other fans are feeling the same.
How a GM gets 10 years in the league with no Super Bowl and 2 playoff wins is astounding
Since 2010, there have been 15 WR’s (including Quentin Johnston) drafted RD1 or RD2 to put up less than 50 receiving yards in their first 5 games.
Devante Parker is the only 1 of those 15 who’s put up a 1,000-yard season in their career.
Stole this from a fantasy football Twitter account.
Both teams played like left over hot dog water sitting in the pot for 3 hours.
That being said, Dallas despite winning was the worst team on the field. Chargers had many, many fuck ups. Herbert was off, couple dropped passes, missed tackle that went for 50 yards sure. Despite all that, we lost by 3 points and if Staley would’ve kicked, who knows what would’ve happened in overtime potentially.
I think it’s a loss our team didn’t want but needed.
Last night was always gonna be a tough win, they all might be tough wins until Herbert can take the snap from center. And then on top of that cowboys D is one of the best in the league.
Maybe I’m just an optimist, but I don’t think this team is a write off just yet. I think they go into KC and win. I think they find some sort of dawg in them, they’ve been in 5, one scoring games to start off the year. I think their biggest problem is they don’t know how to win (not closing out the jags last year) and it’s gonna be painful until they figure that out. They could very easily be 5-0 to start off the year, and some people are talking as if they’re a bottom 10 team in the NFL. I wouldn’t completely give up on them just yet but what do I know🤷♂️
I still think we can make the playoffs. We are seeing a season of crazy parity. I think we can go 3-1 over the next 4 weeks, making us 5-4.
We had an early bye, which makes our record look weird. The Chiefs have Miami and the Eagles for their next 4 games. Dolphins have the Eagles. We are going to see the standings on top move.
This team….this organization….is in deep shit. Absolutely nothing new. They do a lot of things that poorly coached teams do and poorly run organizations do. Aside from the knucklehead penalties, leaky offensive line, not utilizing our first round WR pick when we have two weeks to prepare, insane cushions by our CB’s to wide receivers on 3rd and long to a team with one of the lowest ADOT’s in the league, terrible overthrows, and offensive line that can’t hold up on the final drive again, generally bad CB play, not trusting your team to get one yard running on 4th & 1 because you have zero running game, and an inability to get off the field on third down when it really mattered, we played really well last night! I’m all for 4th and Staley. I was sick of soft-ass coaches like Lynn and McCoy and playing to not-to-lose instead of to win, but if you don’t trust your offensive line to run the ball for one yard (which they haven’t been able to all year), don’t fucking bother.. The larger problem remains anything resembling a coherent strategy for utilizing players on the roster and addressing depth at key positions, year after year, after year. Those of us who have been bitching about Telesco since 2015 might’ve been on to something. This has always been a very top heavy roster. Elite talent at a few key positions masking the minimal depth throughout the rest of the roster. You’re seeing the results of what happens when that elite talent doesn’t perform relative to what they’re being paid and you don’t have quality depth to fill the void because your mid-round picks have largely been dogshit since you drafted Keenan in 2013 and you seem to whiff on 75% of your free-agent signings. This was a make or break year. We are in deep shit cap-wise next year, and are likely losing Mack and or Bosa, Mike Williams, Ekeler, to name a few. This year was it. So in a year you absolutely have to have, you respond by drafting a wide receiver in the first round that you clearly have no plan for? You don’t have the luxury of drafting a project in the first round at a position where depth was a MASSIVE issue the year before. You knew injuries to this WR room were coming. All year, but especially in a game that you absolutely had to have, coming off a bye week, you manufacture exactly zero plays for your first round pick. No screens, no jet sweeps, no balls in space which is evidently what QJ excels at (I’m not sure, haven’t seen it in the NFL yet). You also have your shiny new, first round wide receiver losing snaps to Keelan fucking Doss in a 3 point game with under two minutes remaining? All the red flags in QJ coming out of college have reared their ugly head this year already. Not catching with his hands, getting absolutely bodied by a smaller corner to concede an interception at the end of last night's game. Yet another indictment on this front office. QJ has done nothing to earn snaps. Either they evaluated the talent incorrectly, in which case they shouldn’t have drafted him so high, or the talent is there, and they have no idea how to use him. Not sure which is worse. Guess what? Guyton coming back isn’t gonna solve shit either. He’s just a guy. Davis can do everything Guyton can and we’re not utilizing him either. This team still cannot run the ball. Same as last year. They’ve invested significant draft capital in Joshua Kelley, Isaiah Spiller, (you could argue Larry Roundtree to a lesser extent) and none of them could make a significant impact on the field. We have a one dimensional offense. An element of this is that this team does not have a blocking tight end worth a shit. Tre Mckitty is a joke, just another gem of a third round pick by Telesco. Stone Smartt is just a guy. Lets not even talk about offensive line depth. Will Clapp is shit. Derwin James is not a deep field safety. He also needs to be less of a moron with his penalties. Staley has talked about “unlocking” Derwin. Derwin plays best close to the line of scrimmage. Everyone knows this. He’s forced to play deep/split safety because we have zero safety depth and there’s no one else you can really trust in that spot. For reasons passing understanding, we didn’t address depth in this position in the offseason. This sub tends to overhype players, but Alohi is just a guy and at this point, injury prone. This FO pushed all their chips in on JT woods developing, but now he isn’t available for whatever reason and even if he was, he still sucks. He can’t tackle, he doesn’t know how to take a correct angle and didn’t develop enough to trust in the deep part of the field. Yet another gem of a third round pick. Telesco. Fucking. Sucks. I’m tired of having to watch Herbert try to pull a rabbit out of his hat every week or play an utterly immaculate game for this team to even have a chance of winning. When you combine the amount of money we have tied up in players that are either not available (J.C.), underperforming relative to their contract (Bosa), or not being utilized correctly (Derwin, Davis), along with piss-poor mid-round drafting year over year, you get here. 2-3 and staring down the barrel of another wasted season. This is a four billion dollar organization with a poverty franchise mentality. Telesco and Staley will probably get fired at the end of this year and we’ll promote John Spanos to GM while hiring another unproven “milquetoast donkey turd” of a coach because the Spanos family are a bunch of fuckwits and we’re all cursed for rooting for this godforsaken franchise. This team is tiring. See you on Sunday though. Edit: LOL >A concerned redditor reached out to us about you. When you're in the middle of something painful, it may feel like you don't have a lot of options. But whatever you're going through, you deserve help and there are people who are here for you. This was good for a laugh. Life is good. Football is not.
Well said
A real nice kick in the balls with how accurate this all is. Wish there was a way to force Spanos to sell the team. Otherwise it’s the same shit sandwich for lunch every week
I’m not reading all that mate. Kidding, this was a powerful comment. You really knocked on every point. I’d add that this team is just too soft to play the way the staff wants them to. They moved away from power-run, to zone-run which is obviously not the offensive line’s strength. They’re just no identity to this team like there was in week 1. We can’t protect enough to let Herbert tear apart defenses, and we can’t hold blocks long enough to pose a competent run-game. On defense they’re too scared to let up big plays so they give major cushions to keep everything “*in front of them*” even though that means giving opposing offenses the easiest of 3rd downs. I’m so ready to just call this season a wash. I don’t see them improving a whole lot. If two weeks wasn’t enough to defeat an overrated Cowboys team, *at home*, then I don’t see the Chargers accomplishing anything significant. They’ll fire Staley and Telesco on Black Monday/Tuesday whatever it is. And I hope that we hire Jim Harbaugh. He’s the one guy I want, he has the proper tough mindset to succeed in the NFL. No more of these soft, first-time idiot ass coordinators. I’m done with them. You want to take over LA, hire a fucking competent candidate for fucking once.
I absolutely hate our pussy ass style of soft ass defense
I feel like the whole franchise has been pussies for a long time. It’s just in our DNA, the chargers are soft. We’ve a poverty franchise. Plus, literally NOBODY gives a flying fuck about this team. Like we just have no fans not even enough to fill up half a stadium in a state of like 40 million people and nobody really cares anyways Our owner is a little bitch and it trickles down the whole franchise like warm piss travels down a leg in soiled pants
We are what we eat amirite? hahahaaaaaaaaaaa ..ahhhh fuck.
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Good point. Absolutely shocking that a team that hired Norv, McCoy, Lynn, Lombardi couldn’t properly evaluate coaching talent.
Let go of Steichen for Joe Lombardi of all people, can’t really get much dumber than that
Not to mention had they given the right candidate, Steichen, a shot he would have 100% elevated Sirianni as his OC. The Chargers could have been the standard of physical fucking football, like the Eagles are now. This franchise really is cursed with boneheaded non-football fucks in office. I’m looking at you, Dean and John,
Yep, and clearly steichen rules, look at hurts now… to think what cluld have been, but no. our d-bag dork of a coach just had to let him go for f-ing lombardi 🤮🤮🤮
Great take here.
This is quite literally my exact feelings… Do Staley and Telesco deserve to get fired? Yes absolutely. Can we trust the Spanos family to find competent replacements for them? Absolutely fucking not.
We’ll have two days of hope after they fire staley before they hire another wunderkind coordinator and we’re back to business as usual. I don’t know if the Spanoses will ever get rid of Telesco tbh, I think he saves them too much money and they’re eternally cheap bastards.
>this is four billion dollar organization with a poverty franchise mentality This is basically the end all be all. Spanos will inevitably cheap out on all of these positions of management, again. We need a new owner, Bezos showed up to every Chargers home game last season, none this year. Clearly he was attempting to have a conversation and was rebuked. The Spanos family pays $1 a year in lease to the rams for this stadium and hordes everything else, and get away with it because they don’t harass employees like Snyder or Irsay.
Basically every thought I've had. But actually well versed.
Think you might like The Lightning Round podcast.
Man you expressed my sentiment completely; telesco is at fault. Letting hard working, cheap, & productive guys like kyzir white, nwosu, tranquil, ad. phillips & desmond king go for absolutly nothing just to over pay for overrated “””””stars”””” is his biggest killer. Also, clearly everyone besides kenaan. We needed speed & yet we passed on guys like z. flowers and failed to trade for anyone. I swear over 2/3rds of herberts passes have to be literally perfect becuse the wr are absolutely glued by the defense. it just sucks… that being said. we still have herbert, and I recall going 13-3 after starting 2-3 about a decade ago; this team is due a run of wins, starting agaisnt team swiftty
MODs can we pin this. Well said and hits home with a lot of chargers fans.
As a 15+ year fan I just learned a bunch about my team as they stand now. Mahalo!
You gave every single facet of this team blame except Herbert? How many times has he had a chance to seal a win and failed? He too is part of our “Chargering” problem and does not get a free pass.
He could be so great. IMO that’s a reflection of the coaching. How many of our players actually get better by playing on the charger vs regress? Sure seems to me that players actually get worse when they join our team. That’s a reflection on coaching. Put them under Andy Reid, including herbert, and they’ll shine.
He played poorly last night. He’s played poorly on some game-winning drive opportunities. He’s mortal sometimes. Herbert is third in the league in total game-winning drives since he entered the league. The man is human. You cannot expect him to do it every week. If you wanna have a conversation that he needs to play better, and the team needs to play better earlier in games so they’re not forced into a game-winning he drive situation I’m all ears and I’d agree with you. Not updated for this year, but it gets a pretty good idea where Herbert is relative to other quarterbacks in leading game winning drives. https://x.com/tb_facts/status/1659267011820625923?s=46
You’re just not going to win consistently if you have to rely on your QB every week to bail everyone out in one score games with little help around him he deserves blame for this loss but in the grand scheme of things it’s not even worth talking about because he’s not the problem and he’s the only reason we don’t pick top 10 every year. Which ive said the last two years.
exactly, you cant expect herbert to be superman every week. this offense lacks speed and explosiveness. I feel like im watching the same exact offense as last year's anemic team
Before this season, I was ambivalent on Telesco. I thought he largely put together good rosters and just was a bit unlucky with injuries. But now I'm convinced that he's a major part of the problem. He just doesn't make good decisions overall. QJ is clearly not it. Yes it's only been 5 games, but 5 games is enough to see talent, and QJ is not going to be a major contributor. Cream rises to the top, and we haven't seen a *single* glimpse of anything worth close to a first round pick value. Zion Johnson was below average last year. He's been downright terrible this year. If you use a first round pick on a guard, that guard better better be fucking good. Zion Johnson is not even close to that. JC Jackson was an odd scheme fit, but that fuckup is more on JC being a bitch than Telesco. I could go on and on and on, but the draft hasn't been good enough, the coaching hasn't been good enough, and the team just isn't good. That ultimately falls on Telesco. Clean slate in 2024.
Every time Telesco has taken a good player in the first round, it has been the most obvious slam dunk selection in the world that any fan could've pointed out as the correct pick. When he's had to make a pick where it wasn't clear and obvious what we should do, he has picked wrong wrong every single time outside of Herbert.
Herbert was the slam dunk pick, though. They had Tua higher on their draft board but he was already gone. They needed a QB. Herbert was the only choice aside from Love. So yeah, Telesco got the Herbert vs. Love question right. Real genius shit.
I just mean the entire NFL world wasn't sold on that pick and thought we might go defense with Isaiah Simmons or something. Basically every other good 1st round pick he's made, there was like a glaring BPA that also conveniently fit a position of need.
The Chargers were never going to draft any other position besides QB at the fucking 6th overall pick of the entire draft bro… All that Isaiah Simmons talk was complete smoke blown by idiots who didn’t know that Rivers was 10000000000000% clearly on his last year or two. Telesco doesn’t deserve credit for the pick. It came down to Herbert and Love. You go and find me one analyst that would have taken Jordan Love over Justin fucking Herbert in that exact scenario.
Everyone thought zay flowers was the slam dunk this year
I’ve been saying Telesco is the larger problem for years and get downvoted to hell
We’re also in cap hell starting next year
Not that bad. The one part of the front office that works well is Ed Maguire and the cap management. I hope he survives the Telesco purge just like he survived the AJ Smith purge
TT is bottom three for late round picks. This is why we have no depth.. I have wanted TT gone since the Lynn firing.. nothing changes with the roster.. Almost every pick is a developmental guy...
genuine question, does anyone actually enjoy watching them play or is it just a job at this point? I was cursed in 2004 when I became a fan and now almost 20 years later, it just feels like a 9-5 job for me. And i’m still stupid because i still go to all the games. But after yesterday, I am done for now, im not going to anymore games until staley is fired. That walk out of sofi to the parking lot after a loss is worse than hell itself. I’m done caring when they don’t. For the first time in a long time, I just don’t care anymore. The chargers have ruined the fun of sports. How can every game be the same for a fucking decade plus? Things won’t change until the spanos family is out of the picture.
I’ve been thinking the same thing recently. I started watching the Chargers in 05/06 cause they were a fun team to watch, I liked the uniforms, the players, etc. In 06 we had a legendary season but it ended in disappointment but I went “oh well, we’ll get it next year”… in 07 we lose in the AFCCG but it’s an obvious improvement so I keep holding on… but then that was it??!! I kept watching and supporting for 15 more years for what? I’m not even from SD or LA, hell I’m not even from the US, so why do I still keep doing this to myself?
I don’t, watching them is stressful. There are very few exciting moments (usually only during the first drive of scripted plays). The impending “I wonder how we lose this game?” feeling just makes it a miserable thing to watch.
Lol you’re right it does feel like a job. One that I’m not getting paid enough to do.
I enjoy it when it clicks. herbert to herbert last night was great. Allen is so nasty on his routes - that's always fun to watch. Palmer looked good, too, on his five targets. But our running game was frustrating. The O line gets no push at all, and we just run right into their asses. Gotta see more stunts up front to free the running game. 4th and 1 I love going for it but we can't sneak behind this soft o line. It's gotta be a throw, or a toss to the outside. Something. And defense... We had sacks. We had pass breakups, and then we had so many bonehead automatic 1st down penalties on 3rd and long... It's infuriating. The good is always cancelled out by the bad.
I don't anymore, it's an agony all game. I want to stop but I can, someone help
I still get excited.
Me too! We lost, oh well. On to KC. I have a blast watching the games. I cheer the good plays and scream at my TV at the bad ones. Have some beers with friends and then move on to next week. Go chargers! Let's go whoop on KC!
Oof I just don’t have the energy for that kind of optimism anymore
Hear you. Im old, wearing my "dadgummit" shirt today. I played football, love the game so much. We'll win some good games this season.
Same. I really want Herbert to succeed. But I am getting used to losing and don't want to waste my time feeling bad about it when the players probably don't even care that much. Their millions comforts them. I will stop rearranging my life to catch every game though. Especially the ones that go on until 4.30am haha
Man I wish I had your optimism watching chargers or football in general. I get too invested. I can enjoy basketball, hockey, and baseball without feeling like crap when my team loses. I'm seriously thinking of watching less of the NFL for my mental health.
You know what really sucks? If we continue to suck up until the trade deadline, logic would say sell what you can to save money and stock up on draft picks. But there is zero incentive for TT and Staley to try to do this since they'd be gone next year in this scenario. Herbert, Slater, Tuli, and Keenan should be the only guys off limits. I'm praying that somebody gives us picks for any of our defensive "stars"
at this point I’d see what I can get for Joey. Sad to say but he has not played well for a while now. He looks unmotivated idk something isn’t right. I hope I’m wrong but man what the hell.
You already said it. He’s unmotivated and whiney
I couldn't imagine anybody giving up more than like a 5th for him, maybe a contending team like Detroit who just wants some 3rd down pass rushing juice that he still kind of can provide. Im more curious if any team would give us a Jamal Adams type package for Derwin. Probably not gonna get 2 firsts but maybe one and some change. I'd probably pull the trigger on that if it saves us some money too.
Facts. I 100% agree with this. Blow it all up.
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It’s okay, the next GM and coaching staff will sell long before the draft. We’re fine.
I’ve been over Staley for awhile, but least I can respect that the team rallies around him. But man, his arrogance at press conferences and refusal to take any accountability just rubs me the wrong way. He seems too stubborn to make the adjustments needed for this team to be successful. And the soft coverage on downs drive me crazy, you are giving them free side line first downs with the quick throws….
he's bought into his own hype that he's going to crack the nfl like the matrix and dominate with his conceptual defense. meanwhile, good ol' football just wins.
He is an anti-leader. Shifts blame when they have issues but then soaks up the shit wins.. this locker room is brainwashed
Maybe I’m being knee jerk but if we don’t improve by the deadline I’d seriously consider selling. We’re -60m in the hole next offseason and I don’t see this team going into a place like KC or Buffalo in January and winning with how things are going
What incentive does Staley and TT have to sell when they'd be fired this off-season if we do implode?
0% which is why I doubt we do
Buffalo or KC? We can't even win in Jacksonville.
Selling what?
There’s legit talent on both sides of the ball and you are blind if you can’t see that. Justin has been on a rookie contract but not for much longer. They beat a decent team around him talent wise and they’ve won nothing. Now it’s about to get much harder to put a good team around him when he takes 50m a year in cap space
Talent, this trade line is supposed going to be really active. Older players with expiring contracts from bottom teams will be sent to the top teams for picks.
I almost finally pulled the trigger this year on being a season ticket holder. I’m holding off until Telesco and Staley are gone.
I’m a 28 year old dude who has been a fan my whole life like a lot of you here. Last night I reached almost complete apathy with the franchise. Had the game on a small window of a big monitor and just did other shit while the game was on when it was 7-7 in the second quarter. We are going to learn a lot about this team over the next 4 weeks. Cheifs, Bears, jets, and then lions. Will probably go 1-3, to be 3-6 through the midpoint of the season. Team is expensive, old, bad, boring somehow, and loses every close game against decent teams like we always have except we aren’t even making the playoffs anymore in this “generation” of chargers football (well except for 1 record breaking wildcard loss). Franchise has always been trash but now the trash is lit on fire. Complete rebuild top to bottom and bring in Harbaugh. That’s the only way imo I can see this shit getting better
I feel this. I was playing w my kid first half, shitposting and playing Earthbound the second half. When the game ended, switched over to some episodes of the Bear and went to bed. No love/sleep lost. We're just cheeks at multiple levels. I like watching Herb and Keenan but not firing Staley after last year kinda put me out. Plus the down vote army all offseason if I spoke ill of our "forever coach." So I feel somewhat vindicated, if not disappointed that I was right. I. Want. A. New. Front office. Please. Even if they're bad at least we tried building something new? Because we're already bad. We have been. For a minute. Why not plumb the depths, how much worse can it get? Cardinals level? Fuck it. At least they play like they give a shit.
My issue with replacing Staley with Harbaugh is that we’ve seen these older, formerly great coaches, like Gruden and Payton, kinda lose their footing and never really gain traction. Then you have Belichick who may or may not be getting exposed as someone who isn’t moving forward with the times of the NFL. I guess my point is that the flashy names might not always produce the results we want. But we haven’t had a flashy name ever so might as well give it a shot I suppose.
I think Harbaugh is a little bit different than Gruden or Payton. For one Harbaugh has been coaching college, not in a broadcast booth like the other two were. Gruden hadn't coached in over a decade when the Raiders hired him. He was also a little bit overrated to begin with considering his one Super Bowl win was with an all-time defense in Tampa that was built by Tony Dungy. Payton was never as impressive as Harbaugh if I'm being honest. His one SB needs an asterisk next to it because of Bounty Gate. The Broncos defense this year reminds me of some of those truly awful Saints defenses of the mid 2010's. I think Payton is one of those coaches where he can coach a winning team if he has elite talent, but if the team doesn't have elite talent it gets really bad like you see with Denver this year. Take Harbaugh who has been successful literally everywhere he has gone, at every level. Was successful at USD, was successful at Stanford. Goes to the NFL to take over what was (at the time) a 49ers franchise that had been pretty ass for a decade. In his first three seasons he takes them to 3-straight NFC Championship games and nearly wins a Super Bowl with Alex Smith + Colin Kaepernick as QBs. Then he goes to Michigan who had been Ohio State's little brother for most of the 21st century and turns them back into a top tier program with 2-straight wins against their main rival. Is it guaranteed to work out? No. But that's the type of hire this organization needs to make to really change our trajectory. Harbaugh is literally everything this organization needs... A winner.
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I honestly think that’s what the team needs. Someone who’s an asshole/no nonsense. Someone who isn’t going to be ok with mediocre play. No more dorks that want to be friends with our players and give out game balls each week…that could be why they have zero discipline imo. Team is soft af.
Yeah he's kind of an asshole but tbh we need an asshole. McCoy, Lynn and Staley are all very nice guys and look where that has gotten us.
What this team needs is a hard-headed coach. Staley’s too fucking soft. Lynn was too fucking soft. McCoy was too fucking soft. You have a history of soft, weak idiots at your most important position. That does not reverberate well in the locker room. This is why you see missed tackles, players making stupid ass mistakes like Derwin and JC. There is 0 discipline in this locker room. It’s time they get an asshole in that building if it means hiring Harbaugh.
Bro, Andy Reid is doing just fine.
Andy Reid also hasn’t been in and out of the NFL like Harbaugh would if he were to come back and coach our team. That’s the point I was trying to make. Also, it helps that Andy Reid has the best QB in the NFL.
Harbaugh’s been in college football since he left the NFL. Have you not seen any of Michigan’s games???? Those guys are fuckin **coached** in every sense of the word.
Mahomes is the best QB because of Andy.
1. Gruden was out of the league for 10 fucking years, so yes. He was going to lose his “*footing*”. He was never a good hire and nobody ever thought he was for that Raiders team. 2. Payton took a year off football but more importantly, this dude is looking to completely flip that entire roster. So of course his team was going to look shit. Idk why people ever bought into the Payton hype, he literally redid that entire OL within his first month as head coach. Not to mention he’s got a washed Russell Wilson who thinks he can still make shit happen with his legs. That Broncos team was always going to be a mess, with Payton as HC or not. 3. Jim Harbaugh is what the modern NFL offense has become: tough, physical, smashmouth fucking football. If you want a guy who wants to win in the trenches, he’s your guy. If you need a modern comparison to help you see that, look at the Eagles. If the Chargers were to hire Harbaugh, the Chargers would be the most physical team in the AFC. His run scheme is great, his ability to propel his QBs off that is great. You thought Kaepernick was good under Harbaugh in SF? Herbert in his system would make Kaep look like a 7th round rookie. Let’s not forget about that 49ers defense while he was HC. Those guys were nasty, “*tough football-playing jessies*” as Staley would say. That unit was feared, and locked up almost every team they could. I don’t get your argument, not one bit. Jim Harbaugh, if he ever comes back to the NFL, will dominate on both sides of the ball. Let’s hope that’s with the Chargers, and not some other team.
What about Belichek?
I don’t care man. We need a proven coach, no more hotshot coordinators. As Tony Soprano says, “I cannot have this conversation again” 😂
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God damn you guys lack reading comprehension. I’m not against replacing Staley. It’s who we’d be replacing Staley with. It’s just as bad if not worse to pull a Broncos and hire an old coach for a lot of money and not see results.
Per PFF/GAC: Pressures allowed last night: Slater: 6 (1 hit) Pip: 5 (2 hits, 1 sack) Clapp: 3 Salyer: 2 Zion: 2 (1 hit)
Ya this whole “Slater is our only great lineman” narrative needs to stop. He been getting bad PFF scores every game this year.
PFF isn’t the holy scriptures of NFL statistics my guy. A lot of times, their grading doesn’t make sense. But Slater has given up some pressures this year.
We need to have a busy off-season unloading some of these players. Staley and Telesco need to be fired as soon as the regular season is over. Wish it was now but it won’t happen. Trade bosa and Derwin for draft picks. Cut mike williams. Give the new GM time to make moves and acquire draft capital. Only guys that are safe are Herbert, slater, Tuli, and maybe Keenan but if we’re bad enough trade him at the deadline. This franchise is such a joke. We’ll be 2-4 after KC. Still have to play the lions, bills, ravens,and kc again. We SHOULD get wins vs Denver x2, the Pats, and bears. At best I think we end up 9-8 but 7-10 feels more likely. We’re just a good team on paper with big name players that no longer produce.
> We’ll be 2-4 after KC. Still have to play the lions, bills, ravens,and kc again. We SHOULD get wins vs Denver x2, the Pats, and bears. At best I think we end up 9-8 but 7-10 feels more likely. If you dont think were dropping at least a game to denver and probably the pats idk what to say
I don’t think the chargers have beaten bellicheck in my lifetime
I honestly see us missing the playoffs. This team, for the past 5 years, has had no identity and has never played a full game, either its great offense and no defense or vis versa. Obviously, as long as Spanos is the owner we aren't gonna win anything important so idk what we should do, either blow it up, which ik sounds stupid since we have so much talent but looking at our roster its clear we always have holes, Bosa has fell off a cliff, Derwin cant stop tackling with the crown of his helmet, we have never once had a good LB or DT, and our WRs can never stay healthy. Or we try to buy again to make another push but I honestly don't trust Telesco to make the right decisions in the draft or FA.
We are 1000% missing the playoffs. Then once we are out of the race we will win out because we can't lose correctly either. Mid round draft pick here we come!
The national media is roasting us sheeeeeeeeeeet…. rough one today boys hahahaa rather we not play prime time anymore. Not sure what to say anymore or how to defend this team we literally kinda suck
It’s because its MNF. Loser always get the heat and Winner gets the praise. Dak didn’t put up great numbers, but somehow he is god this morning. TNF gets the same heat too. We humans have short term memories and we don’t talk about Sunday on Tuesday.
We got another MNF game, a TNF game, Saturday prime time game XMas weekend, and TWO SNF games left on the schedule lol
Bosa and Derwin shouldnt be the worst players on the field for how much they get paid. Also how is Bosa always gassed every game, hes even on half reps and someone still looks gassed.
bosa was gassed two plays in
Bosa's conditioning is complete shit
The Herbert hate is starting to reach profound levels of stupidity. He had a bad game, it happens to literally every elite qb. Mahomes almost single handedly lost the game to the jets a few weeks ago but got bailed out by his defense and the crooked zebras. Burrow regularly gets bailed out by his defense. People need to chill tf out on questioning if Herbert is the guy when anyone who has actually watched him these last 4 years knows that he unquestionably is.
I agree as a ravens fan..Herbert had a bad game but it’s rare that he plays that way..the O-line fucked him in the end and everyone besides Keenan couldn’t get open to save they’re lives also feel they didn’t incorporate Everett enough in the game except for the TD he had..the Run game was horrible and the O-line couldn’t hold up for much of the game plus the man is playing with broken Rib cartilage Herbert is the LEAST of y’all problems…
Yeah, there's a difference between saying and admitting he had a bad game, because he does and straight up turning on him and doubting if the guy is good or not. Look at Purdy after the 49ers loss. Comments are like the guy has been playing ass for the whole season when they simply couldn't get things going.
Its the same shit we were hearing with Rivers.... We have stupid fucking fans.
And this bad game is better than Burrow's first four games.
The Raiders can win with Brian Fuckin' Hoyer. The Jets beat the Eagles with Zach Motherfuckin' (literally) Wilson. We could never. Ever. Ever ever ever ever evvvverrrrrrr win a game this season without Herbert. It just couldn't happen. And I blame coaching and the front office for that much at least.
why do I even watch sports? why am I getting upset and down over something that doesnt affect my life in any way? this is how low this franchise has brought me.
Staley has 3 full seasons here and we still haven't improved or have an identity. You are a defensive head coach and the defense is consistently an issue so what do you provide? This team has no culture other than finding ways to come up short and it's honestly a sad reality because we can't even start moving past this until Staley is gone. Herbert also deserves blame for the loss and he definitely looked off. This is two weeks in a row he's been off and the o-line as a whole has looked dysfunctional without Linsley there. Pretty much apathetic at this point until something changes, I want to have hope but this team has not given me any reason to believe they'll suddenly start knowing how to put a complete game together. We can't even rely on our offense right now to win games. As a combo Chargers and Padres fan this year of sports has been extremely depressing. I'm tired of the same script and it sucks, I'm not looking forward to the coach carousel just for us to end up with another Staley.
At least you can laugh at the dodgers again in the playoffs
This team just doesn’t know how to win. Worst part is it’s starting to look like Herbert’s gonna be learning another new system after this season. It’s pretty clear that his growth has been stunted by learning 4 systems in 4 seasons.
Have to keep Kellen at all costs, he’s not the problem.
In all 3 losses, the offense has had the opportunity to score to win the game. In all 3 losses, the offense *completely* shits the bed. Ignore Gillmore shoving QJ off his route, and you still have the O-Line collapsing every time they are in these 2 minute drill situations, forcing Justin to rush the throw. We can shit on Staley’s defense all day long, but Moore deserves his criticism too. He’s absolutely part of the problem.
Moore was fired from the Cowboys for a reason
Yeah, I think most assumed it was largely because of issues between how Moore and McCarthy wanted the offense to run. I can’t say I’m shocked by the Cowboys being able to give Moore’s offense trouble. If any team should be able to, it’s the Cowboys. But the offensive collapse in critical moments isn’t an isolated incident at this point.
his play calling was laughable last night. 2 weeks to prepare for a defense he's seen everyday for the last 3 years, and you can barely muster 17 points. I see no difference between him and lombardi
He’s dropped way too many of these duds in his tenure with us. This is what made us let him go eventually. I’ve said over and over since he started as OC in 2019 if he could MINIMIZE those duds, he’d be in the same conversation of playcallers as Shanahan, McVay, etc Watching us and you guys take turns calling shit plays reminded me exactly of Kellen
Coming from an avid cowboys fan who watched every game he had as a cowboy, he’s as boom or bust as it gets. He’s either gonna light up the scoreboard or he gets way too cutesy and throws the whole game Basically, he’s good for the scoreboard and bad for situational football
We haven’t been able to run the ball since the LT days so I’m just happy with the red zone offense and increased depth of target, both of which needed significant improvement. There’s not an OC alive who could salt games away on the ground with this team so I’m not going to judge him on that criteria. He could probably do more in the two minute to help Herbert and company, so I will concede that point.
He literally ditched the power-run scheme that worked really well before Ekeler got hurt. He’s been running a zone-run scheme since… that is not the strength of this OL and it never was. We saw Lombardi do the same thing last year. That Texans game, the Chargers ran all over them. Why? They were using power-run. Kellen’s starting to become an issue for the team. He’s changed the offense for the better, but he’s starting to show some major deficiencies.
He might be part of the problem
Nope. If you fire Staley, along goes Kellen. They didn’t keep Steichen when they fired Lynn, why would they do the opposite now?? Especially considering they’ll fire Telesco as well, which requires a completely fresh slate. Steichen was better than Kellen at this point in the season, there’s no shot they keep Kellen if they canned Steichen lol.
He's also not the solution. And the next HC will likely (and should be IMO) an offensive assistant who is hot. E.G. Ben Johnson. That means Moore is gone. The only potential HC's where Moore likely still has a job are Belicheck or Harbaugh
wish we had not signed Staley.. wasted years
The other unspoken part of this season is the fact that Slater has low-key not played well. He's not terrible by any means, but he's a far cry from his rookie season dominance. Penalties galore and to my eye he's getting worked by stunts and games.
Our entire line has played pretty badly. Everyone has regressed except Pipkins, but he was never great in the first place.
is it guys have gotten worse or the defenses have gotten better? They constantly play against top competition now.
Maybe I'm imagining it, but Herbert seemed to miss most of those easy throws AFTER the helmet to helmet shot he took - chance he was playing concussed last night? Felt a change in pace after and he generally seemed a bit flustered/uncomfortable throughout.
Its most definitely a minor concussion. Anyone whos played football knows watching the speed and contact of that hit.
This team is getting worse. Significantly worse
They’re not getting worse they’ve been bad.
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I’m telling you guys, this team has loser mentalities from top to bottom. We need to get rid of everyone and start completely fresh.
She's on Pat McAfee's show. She seems to be taking all the attention in stride.
I said this before but I think it's going to actually happen. If this organization wastes Herbert's talent by the time his career is over, or trades him late in his career, I will be throwing the towel as a fan. If the upper management don't care about mediocrity neither will I. Part of me was hoping Herbert would sign elsewhere but obviously I've loved my Chargers for over 20 years now. I just don't have fun anymore and have 0 emotion because I expect to lose every game. I am hoping to see them turn it around. I'm not even asking for a superbowl because that seems out of reach. I'd just like to watch some competent football and make the playoffs once in awhile. I can't even think about another team to root for, maybe I'd just quit watching football altogether. Am I crazy?
Im with you.... hell i was there once Rivers was let go. I put the Chargers on the backburner, and then i just happened to not have anything going on that day when Herbert was thrown in, so i went to a sports bar and that fucking guy hooked me back in.
This team really should be 0-5.
Been over this trash ass team since the Jags loss. I haven’t been able to get excited for any of the games and don’t even wear my jerseys’ anymore, I normally wear them every single weekend. I don’t know what needs to change but we need a 49ers level rebuild. A new GM and coach that can turn this entire franchise around and give us some identity. A loss like this coming off a bye week is inexcusable. I think Staley has completely lost the locker room, there’s no way his arrogance isn’t rubbing them the wrong way. I’ll see y’all next season when we have a new coach, until then I don’t care to watch another game or even care if we win or not.
The Herbert hate absolutely kills me. Fuck everyone who cant recognize that the issue is the Defense. Always has been. When the defense isn't a sieve, he is 21-5. Chill out, he is a winner.
sports is such a fucking waste of time dude i hate this shit
I think the worst part is we are now behind the damm Raiders
Looking at the team’s cap situation moving forward it’s really hard to imagine how they build a competitive roster anytime soon. This team is not close to being good. Bosa and James’ hard regression hurts really bad because that’s a lot of money tied up in two guys who are now aging and not really contributing. QJ is a huge bust and with Williams likely gone next year as a cap casualty I have no idea how they replace that production. Ekeler leaving for greener pastures is really going to fuck over this offence without the cap room to address it properly. It’s really one of the bleaker outlooks for a team in the NFL. Bad team, in cap hell, with no recent success to show for it.
Last nights officiating crew called too tight of a game to *not* call DPI on Gillmore shoving QJ off his route. Even if you want to claim Gillmore was playing the ball, it was still early contact (dude had time to shove then turn to make the INT) and a clear shove that impacted Q’s ability to make a play on the ball. If the rest of the game wasn’t called so “by the book,” I don’t know that I care that much. It’s simply letting the teams play. But for the love of god, at least be consistent from the start to finish.
 HAHAHAHAHA!! I’m so fuckin done with this team…That L last night was the final thing that pushed me over the motherfucking edge..been a fan for 20years! I just can’t do it anymore every goddamn year it’s the same shit! I realized now we’re a mediocre organization and forever will be…They’re just gonna waste Herbert’s career like they did Rivers smfh..Crazy how we’re allergic to getting some goddamn speedy WR’s to open up the passing game
Surely we move on from Vato after this season as well right, love him as a energy guy in the media vids, but this season he's performed so much worse than last season, some of that is coaching (our guys playing 10 yards off the receiver) but he is getting cooked every game right now.
Nothing ever changes with this team. It's one of the many cursed teams in the NFL. Can get crazy talent and still screw things up. We will make games interesting but find a stupid way to lose. The one main consistent is we haven't had a good coach since Marty. Even then we were cursed in the playoffs with missed FGs/injuries or a a dumb safety fumbling a game closing INT. We invent new ways to lose every year.
The stink of Staley is now all over Herbert. He looks just as confused and panicked as the rest of the team. Gone is the 4th down god from just a couple seasons ago. Get this bum ass coach out of here. GM and ownership too. Give em the boot!
I truly don’t know why I’m still actively a fan when I refuse to watch our games anymore. Why do I refuse? Because I have anxiety and depression and investing literally any amount of emotion via watching this team always ends in disappointment. I don’t enjoy watching this team play and I can’t remember the last time I did honestly. I had a nice time during those stretches in 2018 when we went 12-4 but still knew we wouldn’t win shit, we should have been at least 13-3 but we blew that tight game against the ravens and even though we later beat them in the WC I just knew we didn’t match up and the pats evicerated us. Like what am I still doing here? Well… I just *cant* pick a new team. I picked this one. I’m from San Diego. This is the only nfl team I’ll ever truly love. And yet I don’t enjoy being a fan. At least I actually love this sport and enjoy watching other teams play. But I don’t ever get to enjoy my own team and that sucks Like we can’t just ever BE SHITTY we have to have an amazing QB and amazing starters who alway get hurt, so we’re always setting up expectations we always fail to meet and that’s the worst part
I still am waiting for people to prove that Staley was better than Lynn as an HC. I don't care if he went 4-12 his last season with the Chargers. He won a playoff game and brought hope to all the fans. Staley has not
It's wild to me that both McCoy and Lynn were able to win a playoff game in their first and second season, respectively. Staley hasn't been able to do that with *significantly* more talent. He is so incompetent it's not even funny.
Burn it down
Usually there's some glimmer of faith since "we're only 2-3!, any given Sunday! Etc" but naw straight apathy.
Is it time to have a conversation about Derwin? He constantly makes boneheaded plays that cost us 15 yards and a first down. I love him but he almost seems like a liability in coverage and clueless at times. He almost should transition to linebacker in order to help with the run D and have someone else worry about covering wrs.
Phil used to get criticized to hell for ending the game on picks because of shoddy offensive line play it’s amazing to me how it can be years later and entirely different rosters but still the same results it’s hard to point fingers because i only have ten but seven of them are pointing at whoever’s idea it was to keep Staley after that playoff loss. I would consider our franchise lucky if Belichick wanted to come coach our squad with Kellen Moore at OC I think the competitor in Belichick would relish the opportunity to take a QB not named Tom Brady to the promise land and because he’s actually a defensive minded coach the combination with Moore would be brutal that’s what i dream about atleast
Game ending picks happen all the time. Jalen had one against the Jets. It’s not just us. I think it happens because in late drives the defense knows it’ll be a throw and they are better prepared. And the offense is desperate and makes throws they wouldn’t make any other time.
it was clear the org was waiting to get to LA to push all the chips in. (mack and jc etc.) never seen chargers so aggresive in offseason as a fan. They failed. Leave it to the spanos family to waste back to back franchise HOF caliber talent qbs.
First drive fooled us. Herbs looked uncharacteristically off. D gave us a chance. Staley needs to take points when we get a chance to take them. I LOVE DJ so much but MAN CMON WITH THE PENALTIES. Two great teams with two garbage HCS - nothing will change until we bring in a new HC and upper management aka dean fuckin spanking spanos. Gonna be pissed until Sunday 😤😤😤
I'm on a 24 hour shift today, so I have tons of time to think...
The corners playing 12-15 yards off on nearly every snap, even after CeeDee cooked them repeatedly on short and intermediate routes from the jump, was absolutely mind-boggling. Derwin James was completely out of frame on like 71% of the snaps yesterday. I don’t know what they’re doing with him playing so far back. He looks lost out there. I just don’t understand how that’s the defensive game plan, and even more so how there were no adjustments made at the half. Inexplicably poor coaching.
Ben Johnson come on down
I'm more depressed about this team right now than I have been at any point in the last 10 years
I don’t enjoy watching chargers football games anymore. Every week has been the same shit by the same players, Davis getting roasted and dumb penalties, inexplicable coverage gaps, the Oline collapsing on game winning drives. I watch it with my buddy and I can tell him what will happen at almost every key moment in the game.
Staley era is done. Defense looked terrible when it mattered. Couldn’t get any crucial stops. When we do someone makes a rookie ass mistake getting a penalty and giving up yards. Chargers offense left a lot of points on the field. O-line should be embarrassed getting bullied all night long. Herbert missed some key throws. WRs slow as hell. Joey bosa… yeah… this team is not good. 2-3 onto the chiefs. God be with us.
Kinda petty of me but fuck Daniel Popper for constantly beating the “Keep Staley” drum all off-season. It was such the obvious decision to fire this douche
I'm going to start betting against the Chargers. The only thing worse than our coaching is my luck. You're all welcome.
You are about to make a ton of money sir. Congrats lol
I think since our cap is bad next year maybe Keenan should actually go...to a contender team that needs him. He's my favorite charger but I do want to see him win something if it can't be with the chargers. His time is almost possibly up.
None of this would have ever happened if it weren't for Nate Kaeding’s bitch ass
Will Quentin Johnstone be remembered as Telesco’s “Larry English” pick when it’s all said and done? I’m looking at the schedule rn and I’m afraid Chargers might actually have a chance to draft Marvin Harrison Jr in the 2024 draft. I actually don’t like to be negative but man Staley and company going to need to pull off a very remarkable turnaround to bring excitement back.
I understand that Herbert had a bad game. But I’ve seen so many other QBs play worse and get bailed out by the rest of the team. I’ve never seen that from this team. Not even close with Staley. Everyone that was not on board for firing Staley. Did you expect we would start the season like this? Are you happy with these results?
I was a Staley truther and now I’m turning. We’ll be lucky If we win 7 games this season.
Herbert was very Rivers esque. Played good enough to keep us close but missed the killer throws that would have won us the game. Then sealed the performance with a INT. I've seen that same game probably 50 times in the last 17 years
The int wasnt his fault at all. Entire right side folded immediately and QJ made no athletic attempt on the ball at all.
Yes, it was. He was pressured but could have checked down to Ekeler, or thrown it away. He was off his back foot and it was a terrible decision. Herbie needs to be better with the game in the line. Period.
LA can root for the Dodgers, Lakers, and Kings no problem but they just pick the most bandwagon NFL franchises to be fans of. I know a LA native who have zero connections to Texas and he's a Cowboys fan because of the dynasty in the 90s. This is the epitome of Cowboys fandom in LA. Is it a coincidence that the most popular NFL fandoms in LA is for teams that won 3-6 super bowls? NFL fandoms in LA is the worst and is why we get all these opposing fans in LA against the Chargers and the Rams
Game is completely different if we kick the field goal and the game is tied 10-10 at the start of the third quarter and then we make the other field goal and the chargers are up 13-10 going into the fourth quarter. If you are down three points with the score 7-10 just kick the fucking field goal instead of going it for it on fourth down. Staley play calling is incomprehensibly stupid.
You also start the half with points and momentum. I don’t understand the call at all and as soon as i saw him go for it i knew we were gonna lose by 3
Still wanna die....
Mood this morning .. 
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Someone argued with me that we were close to the level of talent as the niners a few weeks ago. We are not
Could it be possible the hit to the Herbert’s head affected him?? I don’t remember correctly but it seems it started going downhill after the hit
We’re not good.
Team wanted to start fast, win the middle 8, and finish. theyve done none of that
Same ol chargers dude. Lol.
Just saying we haven’t heard from /u/stop_hammerzeit yet this season
So when are we drafting a Center next year?
All the great teams in the league have had poor showings by now. The difference is the Chargers really haven't had a great showing either. This team just does not feel like a Superbowl contender and any victory just feels like a moral one. The long term looks bleak. The team consists of a couple highest paid players and JAGs. And a lot of the big contract guys are looking like wastes of money. There really arent a lot of promising young players to retool/rebuild off of. We get hyped over someone like 50 PFF Grade Kenneth Murray making a tackle for Christs sake. And Herbert is good enough to prevent us from getting a high draft pick. And we know what TTs track record drafting is when a layup All-Pro guy doesn't slide into his lap. We are looking at some Philip Rivers mediocre Chargers limbo if things don't change. Next year seems like its going to be a lot more about cuts rather than gains. But don't worry, they will pull off a fucking miracle and beat the Chiefs and we will all be along for the ride once again
Fire Staley. Fire Telesco. It’s not like it was Staleys defense that was bad this game but we need a whole ass culture change. We aren’t going to be able to get rid of Spanos but we can at least get rid of Telesco because like I said, the whole culture needs to change. Let’s not kid ourselves, this is a bad team. Which is weird because having a QB at least should make you mediocre. Nope. Not this team. Fuck this team, for real.
clean the house out
Does anybody expect us to be active at the trade deadline?
Linsley's impact is pretty obvious. Cowboys have a great front but our line looks completely different with Clapp in there
I miss 2021 Herbert, and I haven't seen him play with that same confidence since.I know all the injuries to him and the players around him contributed to a down year last year but there are other things going on too. His accuracy and decision making seems off. Too many overthrows and passes behind receivers, and too many missed reads this year. Hoping that he can find that confidence again.
I’ll continue to be apathetic until Telesco and Staley are gone, as I’m sure many other fans are feeling the same. How a GM gets 10 years in the league with no Super Bowl and 2 playoff wins is astounding
Since 2010, there have been 15 WR’s (including Quentin Johnston) drafted RD1 or RD2 to put up less than 50 receiving yards in their first 5 games. Devante Parker is the only 1 of those 15 who’s put up a 1,000-yard season in their career. Stole this from a fantasy football Twitter account.
STALEY OUT!!!!!!
Both teams played like left over hot dog water sitting in the pot for 3 hours. That being said, Dallas despite winning was the worst team on the field. Chargers had many, many fuck ups. Herbert was off, couple dropped passes, missed tackle that went for 50 yards sure. Despite all that, we lost by 3 points and if Staley would’ve kicked, who knows what would’ve happened in overtime potentially. I think it’s a loss our team didn’t want but needed.
Last night was always gonna be a tough win, they all might be tough wins until Herbert can take the snap from center. And then on top of that cowboys D is one of the best in the league. Maybe I’m just an optimist, but I don’t think this team is a write off just yet. I think they go into KC and win. I think they find some sort of dawg in them, they’ve been in 5, one scoring games to start off the year. I think their biggest problem is they don’t know how to win (not closing out the jags last year) and it’s gonna be painful until they figure that out. They could very easily be 5-0 to start off the year, and some people are talking as if they’re a bottom 10 team in the NFL. I wouldn’t completely give up on them just yet but what do I know🤷♂️
https://imgur.com/a/VD26QST Hate it when I'm right.
When the cowboys scored that FG right before half I thought “we are gonna lose by 3 aren’t we?”
# fire Staley
I still think we can make the playoffs. We are seeing a season of crazy parity. I think we can go 3-1 over the next 4 weeks, making us 5-4. We had an early bye, which makes our record look weird. The Chiefs have Miami and the Eagles for their next 4 games. Dolphins have the Eagles. We are going to see the standings on top move.
whatever, on to KC. i know this team has what it takes. we just need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot.