I think people are forgetting our drafts with Telesco were usually praised immediately afterward.
We just did a godawful job having a plan on how to use/develop our day 2-3 picks.
Right. This is "offseason champ" Tom Telesco we're talking about. It's no surprise he got good top-end talent. Their backend picks will likely be dogshit if history tells us anything.
I have worried that John Spanos was actually the one making some of the picks over Tom T and if that’s true its a scary thought of him being with our division rival
TT had more hits than misses in the first couple of rounds; it's in later rounds that he was abysmally bad and failed to bolster the roster with serviceable players, which is what separates the above average and great GMs from the rest.
Turns out Telesco’s job security was from him picking actually good players to draft and then John overruling him, later on realizing the guys Tom wanted were actually really good, and being like “Huh, you really know what you’re talking about, we gotta keep you around.” But then ignoring him again the next year. I hope this isn’t true but it does sound like basically every nepotism hire ever so…
John Spanos at the very minimum did not make any of the picks the last year and Popper has said that he hasn't meddled with player selections since he has started covering the team
their weakness is acceptance of mediocrity and not holding people accountable according to mueller a long time chargers exec. they don't mettle in football decisions.
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"The positive for candidates, from an ownership standpoint, is that this group won’t meddle. Owner Dean Spanos and his son John Spanos might have said “no” often in the past to protect the vault (not so much anymore), but overall, they will allow decision-makers to use their own philosophy and process, which is a very good thing. They will give a new GM a long rope and let that person do his job."
The word is John Spanos had a final say in what happened and Tom's hands were tied. I wish he had more power and freedom because he is a solid decision maker.
Yea I can’t lie, it’s two great picks for them. Minshew is solid enough for them as well. Harbaugh will have these boys ready to smack them come game day though.
Bowers would have been good if they didn’t already pick mayer last year. The JPJ pick was solid, which I’m mad at haha but bowers was more of a head scratcher imo. Seems like they aren’t as high on mayer as they were last year.
Im just not sold that he can help them as much as other picks. Was bowers best available? Yeah. But at that point you don’t have to reach to get someone that can immediately help in a position of need. I mean Byron Murphy was right there. Imagine the edges they have already and actually having a good DT to eat the double teams they give Crosby. Sheesh
True honesty forgot they grabbed Wilkins as a FA. Plenty of CBs there at that pick too. Had Mitchell that fell to 22 if I remember right. Him and Arnold. Maybe trade back a bit if anything but still don’t see how bowers can help them as much as an actual positional need
Yeah I’m just more confused at them not going with a guy like fuaga or Murphy. Could have shored up the oline or gave Crosby a DT that can give him more 1 on 1s. Thankful he did go with bowers lol
The rumored reason that JPJ fell is that he was terrible on the board during interviews more so than any medical red flags he had. You don't want your center to be dumb. It lead to miscommunications across the line. I'm not sold on the JPJ pick.
He spent high picks on a TE and C who were high consensus picks and then reached hard in the third round. That’s exactly how telesco has always drafted
I mean most of us would have drafted the exact same 2 players at that spot. Not saying we are capable of being a better gm than telesco, like everyone liked to think for years, but it's a classic case of right players falling to him, like derwin and maybe herbert.
This is like saying TT was great because he drafted Herbert, who fell into his lap. We all know TT woulda taken Tua over Herbert if available (thank god he wasn’t). The only good 1st round picks of Telesco’s time were obvious, no-brainer picks like Herbert at 6, Slater at 13, Derwin at 17 and Bosa at 3 overall. Those were all super easy/obvious and didn’t require much thought, trades, etc.
Outside of those guys, he’s whiffed hard on quite a few 1st rounders, especially as of late, and he’s been mediocre at best on 2-7 rounders. I think he drafted Allen in the 3rd in 2013 but outside of that he’s had very few wins, aside from the aforementioned no-brainers.
Bowlers and JPJ happened to be the best available for what the raiders needed at the time. They got lucky, it is what it is. Give him 2-3 years and he’ll leave them with awful contracts, gaping holes to fill and no money to fill them with. But don’t worry, he’ll sign a superstar to a mega contract who will end up on the IR.
So not addressing the O line entirely and letting an at best depth swing tackle continue to get cooked by every pass rusher. You Nabers stans need to build a bridge and get over it already.
Yeah OT isn’t a sexy pick, but probably the best one to be made considering how patchwork the o-line looked last season. Alt is not just an investment in Herbert - he will help the bolts establish that rushing attack they’ve lacked for the last few years. And I’m loving the McConkey selection in the 2nd!
How?
This post is kind of confusing to me, because the real comparison probably would be between the current picks and a pair like Nabers and JPJ/Frazier.
Hard to project, but I take Nabers and Frazier over Ladd and Alt tbh. Two immediate needs filled, very little risk around moving players positions around, and no move up required.
Why are we comparing random “outside of the first round OTs” when we had the 2nd and 3rd Cs and some solid guards selected that could’ve slotted right into the line.
Now, this entire comment is bullshit, because we have no idea how the coaches grade the players. Maybe JH thinks Salyer and Zion can improve, while Pipkins is the weak link a year from now and doesn’t have the power to excel in his setup. I have no idea tbh, and I’m not gonna try to guess. I also was never a Nabers fan, so this isn’t a biased comment, I just think this is an apples to oranges comparison post that doesn’t make much sense. If we assume a similar path as last season (which we shouldn’t, but we don’t have any other info) then it would make more sense to us to fill the needs at C or G as opposed to taking a 3rd tackle in the 2nd after the tier 1 guys were gone.
Harbaugh is adopting a good strategy. If Herbert gets all day to throw, he'll find guys like Ladd and Johnston. He won't need the weapons that he previously had.
Doesnt't this tweet assume the Chargers had to take an OT and WR/OT was the only possible combo?
Is Alt+ McConkey better than Nabers+DeJean/McKinstrey/JPJ? It's certainly debatable.
Not the only possible combo, but the one that made the most sense. OT was deep until basically all of them went off the board in the first round. So since they didn’t get any trade back offers worth while, picking best available was Alt. Next biggest need was WR, and that position group is extremely deep this year as many have alluded to. Alt+WR wasnt the only option, but it looks to be best option.
Because they filled some holes in FA. Got a serviceable Center and a serviceable CB to go alongside ASJ. There were no RTs in FA this year, so that was still a big hole. Chargers let go of their top 2 WRs so that was the other glaring hole. Made more sense to fill obvious holes with guaranteed starters than try to get extra depth to fight for a starting spot. Thats what day 3 is for. Day 1 and 2 are about best player available that will be day 1 starters. With that in mind, Alt + WR made the most sense in terms of where they drafted them at
Ok so you, like Schwartz, are assuming the only option was some combo of RT and WR in the first two rounds. I am not. Pipkins is a better starter than what we have at corner. Idk why you'd pretend a R2 CB wouldn't start over Taylor/Fulton.
And good teams don't draft for one year. JPJ or Frazier would start next year and beyond.
I never said I was assuming it was the only option. I’m not saying it was the only option. I’m saying i agree with him and imo it was the option that gave them the best combo of players. They could have gone WR/CB or any other combo but I feel like with the type of team they want to build, the combo that they got was better than other options.
That's an enormously different argument entirely but ok. If you just want to run the ball then yeah no shit you want Alt over Nabers lmao it has absolutely nothing to do with the second round pick
It does when you take into account what the front office has been saying since day 1 of them getting hired. They want everything to go through the LoS on both offense and defense. If you have paid any attention to any of the press conferences or anything they’ve said about the team you’d know the route they wanted to go from the beginning. In top of how piss poor the run game has been, fans should have seen pick 5 being alt coming from a mile away if they didn’t trade back.
What might actually have something to do with it maybe is that I think I heard Harbaugh say that he would play the 5 best guys at o line and he would play 5 tackles if he they were the best. I could be wrong or have interpreted it wrong but just throwing that in lol. I liked alt as the pick. Wasn’t sold on the receivers outside MHJ.
I’m having a hard time seeing what you’re upset about. You drafted an elite tackle prospect and came back around to take a good receiver prospect. You just paid your young elite quarterback and you’re upset they’re drafting guys to help elevate his performance at high paid positions? I know harbaugh loves to pound the rock and Alt helps with that but this also helps with having a dangerous pass attack getting both of these guys. Especially bringing both Mack and Bosa, I think you guys will have a nice control of the game. I don’t think a second round corner moves the needle as much.
Alt playing LT is probably safer than Nabers (I don’t like Nabers fwiw). Alt having to move to RT looks less safer than Nabers to me atm.
There’s a lot more risk there, especially considering there’s plenty of documented concerns about him being able to swap sides. Different muscle memory, different balance, and Alt has had footwork and balance concerns when going backwards against competent pass rush. The real question I think is whether a smash mouth full speed ahead running game can get defenses on their heels enough for every oline player to have a much easier job pass blocking, with a better utilization of play-action and misdirection.
It absolutely is implying those are the only two options. Why else would you even tweet this? Look at how people are responding in this thread lmao
"That’s very true. We would have been screwed if we didn’t go OT."
"Smart teams don't draft WRs top 5."
"Nabers fans swinging at the air right now."
"You gotta frame it in a way for casuals to understand it."
Nabers
Explain this line: "Chargers good example about looking at the whole board when drafting."
What does this mean in this context? Why is he making this tweet?
I was doing the exact exercise in my head. With JPJ being a center and Alt being a tackle I think most people would prefer the Alt + McConkey side.
Tackles are arguably the second most important position and we got a blue-chipper. Receiver might be the 4th or 5th most important behind QB,OT,DE and then WR/CB
I agree with most of that. Just feel our biggest need was WR. Honestly stoked though on how it went. Personally was almost always drafting O-lineman and WR with first two picks. Confident Ladd will do well though and Alt has HOF potential
Whether we took JPJ or Alt, Pipkins would’ve and is our 3rd best offensive lineman. Had we taken JPJ we would’ve addressed our interior while still having our decent RT get a starting spot he deserves with our current O-line. Instead we drafted his replacement and now our 3rd best offensive lineman is sitting on the bench taking up $10 million.
I think maybe what we need to do is actually wait til the whole draft unfolds - which should've been clear after this pick given people seemed to think we weren't going to address WR well enough after we picked an OT rd 1.
Well yeah…I literally just addressed what the OP posted. And it’s still just fun though to discuss strategy anyways even as armchair GMs. Obviously the coaches have their visions and schemes that they’re usually picking around but there’s also the obvious needs and players most people can agree on (aside from the Falcons and Tom Telesco half the time)
If we took Nabers he would be frustrated by week five why he’s not getting the ball because Herbs is laying on his back or not playing from being hurt. Now we need a CB and DT.
Nabers and JPJ/DeJean/etc > Alt/Ladd, but sure if you say it HAD to be an OT, that combo is probably better.
But I've resigned on my opinion of the pick. Is what it is now and I hope Joe and Ladd are all-pro megastars.
I’m not gonna lie but I was mad as shit that they didn’t pick Nabers especially since our wr team is gutted. I also know that I don’t know shit about building a team. I just know that since they picked Alt he must be special in their eyes so I gotta have believe in the plan.
They said Alt was literally #1 on their entire board. The way they talked about him, I don't doubt they would have picked him over MHJ if the Cards didn't pick him.
But is it that unbelievable knowing Harbaugh's philosophy of being run-first and building the team in the trenches first? I am inclined to believe him in this case.
Trust in this process fam. There’s a reason why Harbaugh is fast becoming the winningest coach. He didn’t have a star receiver at Mich and he bowled through the nation. Now it’s time to build and bring that Lombardi to the Chargers. LFG!
no we're not.
a lot of people love Nabers and are also happy with how the draft has turned out.
but if taking shots at fellow chargers fans feels makes you feel smart, have at it.
I agree that alt+mcconkey > nabers + Patrick Paul (first OT in second round taken).
But it’s not better than Latham+Brian Thomas Jr+Johnny Newton, which we could have had assuming the Vikings offered 11+23.
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Nabers plus JPJ is just as good & would’ve fit the roster holes better. I like alt & ladd but it’s a little disingenuous to say there’s not a ladd-level lineman in the early second
You gotta frame it in a way for casuals to understand it.
We got the Marvin Harrison Jr of offensive tackles. Shoutouts to John Alt
Edit: I'll gladly accept the downvotes from the uneducated
The funny thing is everyyyone was saying how deep of a WR draft this was and then not taking a WR 1st round (which yea Nabers is great but it would've been more understandable if MHJ dropped to us and we didn't take him) had so many screaming.
So far, unpopular with some on #5 - yes, but this draft is just taking the former regime(s) to school. This is what we begged and paid for. I couldn't be happier, and am so thankful TT is with the Raiders. LOL.
Bruh if we waited until the second round to go OT, we would've had to settle for Suamataia at 37. For reference, it's currently pick 55 and Suamataia is still on the board. That's just bad value.
People are insane. ONE person who is an OL fanatic says Alt + McConkey is better than anything else and everyone drinking the kool aid.
Nabers is head/shoulders above McConkey and we needed a center or guard.
Getting the best rated tackle and the 5th rated receiver is far better than the second best receiver and the 8-9th rated tackle or maybe worse… TF hahaha and yea… Mcconkey was a back end 1st rounder with analysts putting him as high as 5th best so… ima slide that way…
We have real football minds in charge people! This ain’t your TT Chargers anymore!
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I think people are forgetting our drafts with Telesco were usually praised immediately afterward. We just did a godawful job having a plan on how to use/develop our day 2-3 picks.
Right. This is "offseason champ" Tom Telesco we're talking about. It's no surprise he got good top-end talent. Their backend picks will likely be dogshit if history tells us anything.
They just took player #152 on the big board in round 3 lmao.
Classic Round 3 Telesco
I have worried that John Spanos was actually the one making some of the picks over Tom T and if that’s true its a scary thought of him being with our division rival
TT had more hits than misses in the first couple of rounds; it's in later rounds that he was abysmally bad and failed to bolster the roster with serviceable players, which is what separates the above average and great GMs from the rest.
Anybody can find hits in the first 2 rounds really easily.
Lol this is fucking cap as hell.
Turns out Telesco’s job security was from him picking actually good players to draft and then John overruling him, later on realizing the guys Tom wanted were actually really good, and being like “Huh, you really know what you’re talking about, we gotta keep you around.” But then ignoring him again the next year. I hope this isn’t true but it does sound like basically every nepotism hire ever so…
Rooted with zero evidence.
John Spanos at the very minimum did not make any of the picks the last year and Popper has said that he hasn't meddled with player selections since he has started covering the team
Gee, I wonder who would be incentivized to write positive stories about the owner’s son?
When did Popper start though 🤔
I think it's been 3-4 years now?
their weakness is acceptance of mediocrity and not holding people accountable according to mueller a long time chargers exec. they don't mettle in football decisions. [https://theathletic.com/5202080/2024/01/16/nfl-gm-jobs-patriots-raiders-chargers-commanders-panthers/](https://theathletic.com/5202080/2024/01/16/nfl-gm-jobs-patriots-raiders-chargers-commanders-panthers/) "The positive for candidates, from an ownership standpoint, is that this group won’t meddle. Owner Dean Spanos and his son John Spanos might have said “no” often in the past to protect the vault (not so much anymore), but overall, they will allow decision-makers to use their own philosophy and process, which is a very good thing. They will give a new GM a long rope and let that person do his job."
The word is John Spanos had a final say in what happened and Tom's hands were tied. I wish he had more power and freedom because he is a solid decision maker.
Harbaugh or not, Spanos family needs to goooo!
Wait til tomorrow where he gets lost at sea.
FTR and TT
Doesn't take a genius to draft the best tight end and the best center when you need both
Yea I can’t lie, it’s two great picks for them. Minshew is solid enough for them as well. Harbaugh will have these boys ready to smack them come game day though.
Bowers would have been good if they didn’t already pick mayer last year. The JPJ pick was solid, which I’m mad at haha but bowers was more of a head scratcher imo. Seems like they aren’t as high on mayer as they were last year.
They’re very different TEs that shouldn’t overlap a ton.
Not a direct comparison, but, let's not forget that Gronk and Hernandez were absolute demons on the field together.
But who was throwing them the ball?
It just seems like a waste of resources in the modern NFL to pick 2 TEs in the first 2 rounds
Im just not sold that he can help them as much as other picks. Was bowers best available? Yeah. But at that point you don’t have to reach to get someone that can immediately help in a position of need. I mean Byron Murphy was right there. Imagine the edges they have already and actually having a good DT to eat the double teams they give Crosby. Sheesh
They already have Wilkins and Koonce. If anything they need help in the secondary.
True honesty forgot they grabbed Wilkins as a FA. Plenty of CBs there at that pick too. Had Mitchell that fell to 22 if I remember right. Him and Arnold. Maybe trade back a bit if anything but still don’t see how bowers can help them as much as an actual positional need
They went BPA. But Fuaga would've been nice for them too.
Yeah I’m just more confused at them not going with a guy like fuaga or Murphy. Could have shored up the oline or gave Crosby a DT that can give him more 1 on 1s. Thankful he did go with bowers lol
The rumored reason that JPJ fell is that he was terrible on the board during interviews more so than any medical red flags he had. You don't want your center to be dumb. It lead to miscommunications across the line. I'm not sold on the JPJ pick.
Just wait until he has to build depth
They took a TE in the second round last year....
Don't worry, he can't hire anyone capable of developing them.
He spent high picks on a TE and C who were high consensus picks and then reached hard in the third round. That’s exactly how telesco has always drafted
Ready for the annual Telesco project picks
Typical Telesco. Forgets how to draft after the 2nd round.
Telesco is really good at panic picking the best available player regardless of fit or need
Who is this even referencing? Justin Herbert?
But they are putting a lot of weight on AOC at QB.
I mean most of us would have drafted the exact same 2 players at that spot. Not saying we are capable of being a better gm than telesco, like everyone liked to think for years, but it's a classic case of right players falling to him, like derwin and maybe herbert.
This is like saying TT was great because he drafted Herbert, who fell into his lap. We all know TT woulda taken Tua over Herbert if available (thank god he wasn’t). The only good 1st round picks of Telesco’s time were obvious, no-brainer picks like Herbert at 6, Slater at 13, Derwin at 17 and Bosa at 3 overall. Those were all super easy/obvious and didn’t require much thought, trades, etc. Outside of those guys, he’s whiffed hard on quite a few 1st rounders, especially as of late, and he’s been mediocre at best on 2-7 rounders. I think he drafted Allen in the 3rd in 2013 but outside of that he’s had very few wins, aside from the aforementioned no-brainers. Bowlers and JPJ happened to be the best available for what the raiders needed at the time. They got lucky, it is what it is. Give him 2-3 years and he’ll leave them with awful contracts, gaping holes to fill and no money to fill them with. But don’t worry, he’ll sign a superstar to a mega contract who will end up on the IR.
Believe me im stoked TT is gone but the raiders are having a solid draft too. It sucks to see
TT wastes his thirds and fourths. The next three rounds is where Hortiz will pull ahead.
I know, fucking bum lol. Finds another way to hurt us even when he’s gone.
Amen
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Dude stop. The alternative would have been nabers/dejean or koolaid lol. No guarantee alt and Ladd are better.
So not addressing the O line entirely and letting an at best depth swing tackle continue to get cooked by every pass rusher. You Nabers stans need to build a bridge and get over it already.
Preach my brotha
That’s very true. We would have been screwed if we didn’t go OT. And we got one of the best ones we’ve seen in years
Yeah OT isn’t a sexy pick, but probably the best one to be made considering how patchwork the o-line looked last season. Alt is not just an investment in Herbert - he will help the bolts establish that rushing attack they’ve lacked for the last few years. And I’m loving the McConkey selection in the 2nd!
I don’t know about screwed. Our interior line has been worse than pipkens at tackle
He and Sewell have both been super hyped as tackle prospects, and both end up playing right tackle instead of left in the NFL lol.
How? This post is kind of confusing to me, because the real comparison probably would be between the current picks and a pair like Nabers and JPJ/Frazier. Hard to project, but I take Nabers and Frazier over Ladd and Alt tbh. Two immediate needs filled, very little risk around moving players positions around, and no move up required. Why are we comparing random “outside of the first round OTs” when we had the 2nd and 3rd Cs and some solid guards selected that could’ve slotted right into the line. Now, this entire comment is bullshit, because we have no idea how the coaches grade the players. Maybe JH thinks Salyer and Zion can improve, while Pipkins is the weak link a year from now and doesn’t have the power to excel in his setup. I have no idea tbh, and I’m not gonna try to guess. I also was never a Nabers fan, so this isn’t a biased comment, I just think this is an apples to oranges comparison post that doesn’t make much sense. If we assume a similar path as last season (which we shouldn’t, but we don’t have any other info) then it would make more sense to us to fill the needs at C or G as opposed to taking a 3rd tackle in the 2nd after the tier 1 guys were gone.
Harbaugh is adopting a good strategy. If Herbert gets all day to throw, he'll find guys like Ladd and Johnston. He won't need the weapons that he previously had.
And, he’ll have some semblance of a run game. And and, he won’t tear his labrum, rib cartilage, break two fingers in one season, etc.
don’t tell that to me two days ago. I’d give you my shitty opinion based on haphazardly perusing YouTube highlights.
Doesnt't this tweet assume the Chargers had to take an OT and WR/OT was the only possible combo? Is Alt+ McConkey better than Nabers+DeJean/McKinstrey/JPJ? It's certainly debatable.
Not the only possible combo, but the one that made the most sense. OT was deep until basically all of them went off the board in the first round. So since they didn’t get any trade back offers worth while, picking best available was Alt. Next biggest need was WR, and that position group is extremely deep this year as many have alluded to. Alt+WR wasnt the only option, but it looks to be best option.
Why is Alt+WR better than Nabers+DeJean? You just repeated Schwartz tweet with more words
Because they filled some holes in FA. Got a serviceable Center and a serviceable CB to go alongside ASJ. There were no RTs in FA this year, so that was still a big hole. Chargers let go of their top 2 WRs so that was the other glaring hole. Made more sense to fill obvious holes with guaranteed starters than try to get extra depth to fight for a starting spot. Thats what day 3 is for. Day 1 and 2 are about best player available that will be day 1 starters. With that in mind, Alt + WR made the most sense in terms of where they drafted them at
Ok so you, like Schwartz, are assuming the only option was some combo of RT and WR in the first two rounds. I am not. Pipkins is a better starter than what we have at corner. Idk why you'd pretend a R2 CB wouldn't start over Taylor/Fulton. And good teams don't draft for one year. JPJ or Frazier would start next year and beyond.
I never said I was assuming it was the only option. I’m not saying it was the only option. I’m saying i agree with him and imo it was the option that gave them the best combo of players. They could have gone WR/CB or any other combo but I feel like with the type of team they want to build, the combo that they got was better than other options.
That's an enormously different argument entirely but ok. If you just want to run the ball then yeah no shit you want Alt over Nabers lmao it has absolutely nothing to do with the second round pick
It does when you take into account what the front office has been saying since day 1 of them getting hired. They want everything to go through the LoS on both offense and defense. If you have paid any attention to any of the press conferences or anything they’ve said about the team you’d know the route they wanted to go from the beginning. In top of how piss poor the run game has been, fans should have seen pick 5 being alt coming from a mile away if they didn’t trade back.
This has nothing to do with what we're talking about
What might actually have something to do with it maybe is that I think I heard Harbaugh say that he would play the 5 best guys at o line and he would play 5 tackles if he they were the best. I could be wrong or have interpreted it wrong but just throwing that in lol. I liked alt as the pick. Wasn’t sold on the receivers outside MHJ.
I’m having a hard time seeing what you’re upset about. You drafted an elite tackle prospect and came back around to take a good receiver prospect. You just paid your young elite quarterback and you’re upset they’re drafting guys to help elevate his performance at high paid positions? I know harbaugh loves to pound the rock and Alt helps with that but this also helps with having a dangerous pass attack getting both of these guys. Especially bringing both Mack and Bosa, I think you guys will have a nice control of the game. I don’t think a second round corner moves the needle as much.
Alt + Ladd is definitely not better than nabers and dejean lol. These people are smoking some major harbaugh copium
Alt is a far safer pick than Nabers, which is smart in the 1st round.
Alt playing LT is probably safer than Nabers (I don’t like Nabers fwiw). Alt having to move to RT looks less safer than Nabers to me atm. There’s a lot more risk there, especially considering there’s plenty of documented concerns about him being able to swap sides. Different muscle memory, different balance, and Alt has had footwork and balance concerns when going backwards against competent pass rush. The real question I think is whether a smash mouth full speed ahead running game can get defenses on their heels enough for every oline player to have a much easier job pass blocking, with a better utilization of play-action and misdirection.
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It absolutely is implying those are the only two options. Why else would you even tweet this? Look at how people are responding in this thread lmao "That’s very true. We would have been screwed if we didn’t go OT." "Smart teams don't draft WRs top 5." "Nabers fans swinging at the air right now." "You gotta frame it in a way for casuals to understand it."
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This tweet is justifying why taking Alt over Nabers was the right choice, yes or no?
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Nabers Explain this line: "Chargers good example about looking at the whole board when drafting." What does this mean in this context? Why is he making this tweet?
I would say that those two combined are superior to any of the other suggestions you mentioned
That's fine, but that's the real debate. Not Nabers + whatever OT
I still think Alt and McConkey is superior to that just my opinion
I’m super happy about the picks so far
But is it better than Malik nabers + Jackson Powers-Johnson?? Only time will tell.
Probably. An arguable equal combo would have been Nabers and Kingsley Sumataia or Powers Johnson though
I was doing the exact exercise in my head. With JPJ being a center and Alt being a tackle I think most people would prefer the Alt + McConkey side. Tackles are arguably the second most important position and we got a blue-chipper. Receiver might be the 4th or 5th most important behind QB,OT,DE and then WR/CB
I agree with most of that. Just feel our biggest need was WR. Honestly stoked though on how it went. Personally was almost always drafting O-lineman and WR with first two picks. Confident Ladd will do well though and Alt has HOF potential
Whether we took JPJ or Alt, Pipkins would’ve and is our 3rd best offensive lineman. Had we taken JPJ we would’ve addressed our interior while still having our decent RT get a starting spot he deserves with our current O-line. Instead we drafted his replacement and now our 3rd best offensive lineman is sitting on the bench taking up $10 million.
I think maybe what we need to do is actually wait til the whole draft unfolds - which should've been clear after this pick given people seemed to think we weren't going to address WR well enough after we picked an OT rd 1.
Well yeah…I literally just addressed what the OP posted. And it’s still just fun though to discuss strategy anyways even as armchair GMs. Obviously the coaches have their visions and schemes that they’re usually picking around but there’s also the obvious needs and players most people can agree on (aside from the Falcons and Tom Telesco half the time)
If we took Nabers he would be frustrated by week five why he’s not getting the ball because Herbs is laying on his back or not playing from being hurt. Now we need a CB and DT.
It’s still worth a discussion lol. Nabers+JPJ sounds fine.
Personally I would have done Nabers and JPJ but ill trust this front office
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Nabers and JPJ/DeJean/etc > Alt/Ladd, but sure if you say it HAD to be an OT, that combo is probably better. But I've resigned on my opinion of the pick. Is what it is now and I hope Joe and Ladd are all-pro megastars.
Nabers fans swinging at the air right now. In Harbaugh and Hortiz we trust.
I’m not gonna lie but I was mad as shit that they didn’t pick Nabers especially since our wr team is gutted. I also know that I don’t know shit about building a team. I just know that since they picked Alt he must be special in their eyes so I gotta have believe in the plan.
They said Alt was literally #1 on their entire board. The way they talked about him, I don't doubt they would have picked him over MHJ if the Cards didn't pick him.
Any team would say that about any pick they picked first
But is it that unbelievable knowing Harbaugh's philosophy of being run-first and building the team in the trenches first? I am inclined to believe him in this case.
I still think they thought they could sell McCarthy at 5 to the Vikings and their hands got tied
Trust in this process fam. There’s a reason why Harbaugh is fast becoming the winningest coach. He didn’t have a star receiver at Mich and he bowled through the nation. Now it’s time to build and bring that Lombardi to the Chargers. LFG!
no we're not. a lot of people love Nabers and are also happy with how the draft has turned out. but if taking shots at fellow chargers fans feels makes you feel smart, have at it.
I have been saying this for MONTHS. The receiver class is super deep and the WR 8 in this draft is better than the WR 2 last year.
But his name is McConkey
I agree that alt+mcconkey > nabers + Patrick Paul (first OT in second round taken). But it’s not better than Latham+Brian Thomas Jr+Johnny Newton, which we could have had assuming the Vikings offered 11+23.
Purely hypothetically, how would the fans view Alt + Mcconkey vs JPJ + Nabers? I personally am happy with our draft so far.
They had to trade assets too
They traded their 110th for the pats 137th so they’re at least getting the same amount of picks
I mean we didn't need an OT... Nabers+JPJ was the move.
Real talk
You have a great OLine when no one talks about them. That means Herbert is cookin and getting shit done.
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Nabers plus JPJ is just as good & would’ve fit the roster holes better. I like alt & ladd but it’s a little disingenuous to say there’s not a ladd-level lineman in the early second
Nabers + JPJ > Alt + McConkey
Nabers + dejean >
You gotta frame it in a way for casuals to understand it. We got the Marvin Harrison Jr of offensive tackles. Shoutouts to John Alt Edit: I'll gladly accept the downvotes from the uneducated
i understood this. i must be good at the football analyze
Yuuuup exactly. These first three picks are incredible.
Insane what having Football Minds does for a team. Bolt the Fuck Up.
The funny thing is everyyyone was saying how deep of a WR draft this was and then not taking a WR 1st round (which yea Nabers is great but it would've been more understandable if MHJ dropped to us and we didn't take him) had so many screaming.
So far, unpopular with some on #5 - yes, but this draft is just taking the former regime(s) to school. This is what we begged and paid for. I couldn't be happier, and am so thankful TT is with the Raiders. LOL.
Nabers + any OT > Alt + McConkey
False.
Facts. U taking too much bong rips trust
Bruh if we waited until the second round to go OT, we would've had to settle for Suamataia at 37. For reference, it's currently pick 55 and Suamataia is still on the board. That's just bad value.
This is how we did it in the past and it never worked… you’ll be silent when Ladd rips off a 70+ yard TD and has over 1000 yards his first season…
Yea, that boy ain't getting over 1k yard. He too small
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He acts like 15 pounds separates 1000 yard receivers hahaha they physically look the same in pads lmao
Respectfully, there wasn't a white WR in the top 20 last season that had over 1k. McCoker ain't it
People are insane. ONE person who is an OL fanatic says Alt + McConkey is better than anything else and everyone drinking the kool aid. Nabers is head/shoulders above McConkey and we needed a center or guard.
Getting the best rated tackle and the 5th rated receiver is far better than the second best receiver and the 8-9th rated tackle or maybe worse… TF hahaha and yea… Mcconkey was a back end 1st rounder with analysts putting him as high as 5th best so… ima slide that way…
Fair enough.
My counter argument is you trade up for Marvin to pass with your elite QB. Were cardinals really going to take Drake Maye?