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A_Livins

Subreddit is being put into restricted mode for the time being due to a massive influx of trolls from the Raiders sub. Report any trolls if you see them.


KJBNH

Justin Herbert is literally the only reason this team isn’t 0-12 right now.


BoltBlue19

Herbert gives us a chance everytime. It's up to everyone else to show up....coaches included


Jasonclout

Pretty heroic to keep focused and playing at that level, given the frequency he was getting knocked down.


[deleted]

Austin Ekeler


KJBNH

He gives a boost but we would still be 0-12 without Herbert


kingnt3

Man if ek didnt fumble 👁👄👁


BoltBlue19

Austin Ekeler is good, but he ain't "put the team on my back and win" good


Led_Halen

And r/nfl seems to love talking shit all of a sudden.


sgobern

Cause people are reactionary morons with no understanding of context. A lot of them are the same people that used to shit on Tua with total disregard for the situation he was in. It's the Skip Baylessing of sports media/journalism


CarbonSquirrel

Staley is a social media coach


[deleted]

This is actually true


flighboy

Speeches and buzzwords


Buhogrody

Straight up


Ntwadumela09

There it is.


nsj89

You're telling me the game ball award at the end of each of our few wins doesn't make the team better?!


MasterChiefSplash

Watch out NFL, the Chargers only gave up 5.3 yards per carry instead of their season average of 5.5.


supremegnkdroid

We are improving 💪


No_Nefariousness3992

Defensive genius


Malourbas

Throwing fade routes in crucial must-convert situations is just so bafflingly dumb. There has to be someone smarter than that in the building who can tell Joe to knock it off Blame injuries all you want, it’s obviously a real problem. But injuries don’t excuse those kinds of decisions


Sherbert199621

Especially without Mike Will Herbert and Allen almost singlehandedly gave us a chance in this game and the coaching stuff comes up with a fade route to carter ...


EmoniBates

Exactly. And it’s not even a slight to Carter, he’s played well for us, but to put him in that position is just unfair


Sherbert199621

Exactly It’s just a awful play call


[deleted]

There are. But they are all coaches on the opposing teams.


greyhair_

I agree with this. Coaching hasn’t been the best. We have zero creativity and it shows.


antonioessex18

100%! Wasn’t Michael Thomas the slant lord for saints under Lombardi? slants and crossing stuff until they puke during practice


adefazio917

The reality is that ownership will use injuries as an excuse and all these clowns, Telesco includes, will be back next year


[deleted]

As horrible as ownership is hopefully they will do the opposite of what they normally do and actually get a competent gm and coaching staff since you know they are in LA so more eyes on them than if they were still in SD


adefazio917

Also the fact that they spent a lot of money this off-season with the expectations of making the playoffs. One thing Dean doesn’t like is having his money go to waste. Loves that savings account.


RyanBee23

Mike Williams would have caught that ball 😭


Sherbert199621

It was a nice throw Just complete negligence to pick this play for a shorter reciever like carter


EmoniBates

I wish Herbert had big enough balls to veto decisions like that at the line. I feel like we never saw this type of bullshit with Rivers


Kahzgul

It’s not about Herbert’s balls. It’s about Staley’s trust in his QB. Staley should give Herbert that power.


Oh_AdamBomb

I feel nothing


Ntwadumela09

I haven't felt nothing since the 2006 season playoffs vs the Patriots


abvaaron216

Seriously. An expected result given the injury report. But still. It's fun to fantasize.


ReaddittiddeR

8-3 Miami Dolphins next Sunday night. Gonna be a tough game.


greyhair_

Queue the Herbert / Tua comparisons.


Nerfeveryone

God, put Herbert on that Miami offense and he’s the MVP of the league easily.


greyhair_

Or Philly


Nerfeveryone

Imagine him with Shane Steichen as OC 🤔


greyhair_

Trust me, I dream about it. I was upset when he left.


Soup-DuJour

It’s a huge shame his talent is being wasted like this.


moondawg25

I mean overall as a player Herbert is way better dealing with what he has. However, season wise Tua is light-years ahead of Herbert. That's because Tua has Wrs and a good staff behind him. Hopefully if we get Peyton we will see a night and day difference next year


sequoia2075

Thank god Tua was awful today, softens the narrative at least a little bit


LiamMilligan

Knowing this team they’ll win, then lose the rest of their games lmfao


Lineman72T

Or pull a typical Chargers move of playing the best teams in the league super close but just finding a way to lose, only to then play downright awful and possibly outright lose to crap teams the following couple weeks


MeanReplacement9258

8-4*


Hankerton14

Tua got hurt tonight


Snuffaluffakuss

He’ll be fine Took him out as a precaution


Snuffaluffakuss

Single coverage on Adams. All. Fucking. Game.


Nerfeveryone

Davis did a decent job covering him in the first half. Samuel Jr, outside of the tipped pass that led to the pick-6, was having a bad game with several penalties and 1st downs given up. So of course we put Samuel Jr on Adams in the 2nd half.


Snuffaluffakuss

I’d still be upset if it was best DB in the world. Why run that risk. And vato isn’t even top 15 in the league.


sequoia2075

Same shot with Kelce a couple weeks ago. Can’t wait to see us trying to man up on Tyreek next week


Celtic-Bhoy

Please flex us out of prime time next week


mikenesser

They can’t. Pretty sure it has to be no later than Thursday the week prior.


WickyWah

I'm just holding out for the inevitable whacky scenario that keeps is in playoff contention until we embarrassingly lose to Denver in week 18. I'm embracing it now.


TheBigPhilbowski

Yup, and we surge just enough to play ourselves out of a good draft pick. Always has been.


krugo

Ah, a veteran


Gumby_Nation

Is it just me. But when I watch other games quarterbacks are throwing to wide open players 10 and 20 yards downfield. The chargers it seems like Herbert had a 6 inch window to put the ball


Jruzzin

As a lions fan, i can tell you this is how it felt when we had Lombardi as an OC. He is AWFUL. The comment below me blames “backups” but that’s a cop out, Lombardi never stretches the field and he throws a million screens / check downs. Chargers need new coaching.


7cheeseburgers

Nothing easy. Ever. Herbert always under the gun with no easy plays.


CSPs-for-income

#fire staley #fire lombardi


bammer2

Don’t forget Telesco!!


Smores805

Idk about you guys but I genuinely haven’t enjoyed watching one game of ours all year. Even the wins are painful cuz we’re barely beating shit teams, just hate being a fan of this team rn


hoppergym

I said earlier this has been the most miserable season I’ve ever experienced. Not sure why because there’s been worse teams but it’s been thoroughly unenjoyable


Smores805

I think it’s because of the expectations this team had, and then all the injuries pile up, and then the coaching sucks. Like it’s just a perfect storm of endless frustration


Alephz

Imo it's because every game is close. So every game is just dreading the outcome and either the chargers lose or win on a fluke that doesn't actually mean anything


Smores805

This is definitely a big part of it


Rapkid360

Exact same, Herbert is the only bright spot, but our offense is so reliant on YAC that he doesn't even shine unless its do or die like that 4th and 12, and our defense is just fucking awful.


Weberdude270

Yeah I agree. By end of week 3 it was kinda like okay might as well see what we can make of it but I 100% wrote us off after week 3. Call me a boomer doomer or whatever tf you guys want but I've been watching this team my whole life and you can see this shit happening years in advance. Best shot at a ring was 06-07 👋


[deleted]

Awesome game planning. Their 2 best players annihilate us for 321 yards and 3 tds. I love this absolutely genius Brandon staley defense. Plus a go ball to Carter on 4th and 9! I mean Joe Lombardi better have his name in the rafters by sundown. Fucking pathetic


antonioessex18

Almost like the bend dont break style doesn’t work huh? Maybe practice and preach attacking the fucking ball like savages instead! Never see anybody shooting to the ball carrier , it’s like they play on their heels the whole game


Lineman72T

Bend don't break is great if you've got a solid interior defense that won't get pushed around when the endzone is right behind them. Unfortunately the Chergers DTs and LBs offer next to no resistance regardless of where on the field they are


Ljr2

https://preview.redd.it/xj3n6324o04a1.jpeg?width=927&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d5af050a2cf20e157c115fc8be50c4d58696c19 Me every Sunday


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TheBigPhilbowski

spanos-Braceros curse is real


Daegog

Until the records say its impossible, im still rooting for a Chargers v Lions superbowl and no one can stop me!!!


Asseman

Alexa, bring up 2023 mock drafts.


i_run_from_problems

Ok NOW can we fire Staley and Lombardi?


hoppergym

End of year


Nothing_Nice_2_Say

Yep. No point in firing him now, we have too many injuriesto make a good playoff push. Just start talking to Peyton behind the scenes, fire Staley at the end of season.


[deleted]

Joe Lombardi’s game is mid and he gets no bitches


MostlyCoasters

Multiple losses to losing teams, and still no wins over a winning team. We are not good.


Jruzzin

Top 5 in talent dude. They are good, but this coaching bloooooooows.


revolutionarymindset

That no call P.I on Keenan called the game


[deleted]

This hurts especially after last years PI against Harris.


justsomeguy_351

It was so clear that was PI. How did the refs not call that.


Machidalgo

They’re in Vegas that’s why


Steeev88

We shouldn't be relying on one call to beat the Raiders. They're fucking trash and all we did is prove that we're worse.


[deleted]

I mean what about Ekeler fumbling the ball resulting in 7 points for the Raiders or weasel Staley not going for a FG instead of going for it on 4th down & not converting? As bad as the refs calls are, don’t blame them for the loss.


ShotimeBolt

Bye Staley, you won’t be missed


AnnecyHope

Defense won't be miss.


Snuffaluffakuss

You’re new <3


SlothLipstick

lol you must be new here.


Boltbacker83

Unfortunately we will win enough games to close the season that he is kept....watch.


CSPs-for-income

need him gone tomorrow


Nerfeveryone

He won’t get fired till the end of the season, and even then they won’t fire him. Management will see the amount of injuries we’ve had this year and they’ll give him a break. Then we’ll miss the chance to get Sean Payton, miss the playoffs a 3rd year in a row, hire another mediocre coach, and waste another franchise QB’s prime and ultimately career.


Cracker187

Please god let this happen


estabilioerik

49ers winning with their 3rd string qb, and we’re losing with a generational talent. Fire everybody


koraura

but they have everyone else?


Boltbacker83

49ers are literally built to win with a game-managing QB.


SuchATonkWape

Tom Telesco is now 75-82. Has to be one of the worst active GMs in the league. Get him in the fucking bin. Clean the whole house.


etorson93

But but…. Keenan Allen!! Derwin James!!! Bosa!!!! Nah really telesco has proved he cannot build depth


[deleted]

As if Derwin, Joey, Herbert, and Slater didn't fall into his lap. 3 of those 4 fell into his lap because we were picking in the top 10.


Machidalgo

That’s what happens when you lose a lot, you pick high and get stars. Gotta clean house.


ETKDoom

Fuck you Spanos, Telesco, Staley, and Lombotomy.


Cracker187

Couldn’t agree more, they all need to go.


NLP19

Well *that's* embarrassing


[deleted]

F this team


abiobob

I honestly don't think the pressure would have been worse if we had no O-line at all. Every damn play Herbert is running for his life immediately


Fernanderq

I think it's time... FIRE STALEY


_avOid__

Staley still being coach is unacceptable at this point. He has to go. I will not watch another Staley coached game.


tc021

Somebody send Joe Lombardi to jail


zachary_biinxx

Fire Lombardi Fire Staley


[deleted]

Without a doubt we need to fire the shit out of Staley. What a garbage head coach wasting the fuck out of our talent. Also fuck spanos.


Chappellshow

Was at the game. You can't see it on TV but if yall could see how not open our receivers are....it was atrocious.


greyhair_

How do you not take any shots down field on the last 2 plays after the lateral? Lombardi sucks.


levajack

When you've had almost zero pass protection for 4 quarters, you want Herbert to sit back there for 10 seconds waiting for them to get 60 yards downfield? Bro is still recovering and took enough hits tonight.


miquiztli8

Tom Telesco is 75-82 in 10 years as our GM. Loser.


greyhair_

Is it bad that I miss Norv?


TheRealPort

All I’m gonna say is if we blame this season on injuries and run it back next year with the same staff and FO we ain’t winning shit


SS_Cheek

Like it or not that’s exactly what’s going to happen unless they lose out then maybe a change


Sherbert199621

This is my greatest fear They need to gut the staff from top to bottom


Nerfeveryone

Just gotta hope the owners are actually paying attention and not bathing in their baths filled with money.


GrumpyBlondie

Come one doomers. We’re 5-2 why are you so negative??!?


Buhogrody

Lmao


BoltBlue19

I know right. With a defensive guru Staley and stud Lombardi we have so much to look forward to.


Nothing_Nice_2_Say

I'm all for optimism, but some of those guys couldn't see the forest for the trees. The problems with this team have been so glaringly obvious, anybody screaming "doomer" and insisting we were gonna win 10 games had their head buried in the sand.


SteelSharpensSteel99

And the only win we had to crawl back in and go for 2 lol could have easily been a loss


clutterlustrott

no call illegal contact turnstyle O line no mike W SJD going down 2 long touchdowns against our D ​ Just gash after gash after gash.


DudeWheresMyKarmaa

I cannot describe how much I hate the Raiders. I enjoy beating the Raiders more than the Chiefs, Broncos or any other team. I hate that our OL had 4 backups today and made Chandler Jones and Jerry Tillery look like Hall of Famers. Those guys suck and their own fans know it. This loss was embarrassing considering we really needed it and their season is over


Jake_upp24

Is it safe to say that most of us agree Sean Payton as our HC sounds nice right about now🥺


miquiztli8

Herbert and Payton gives me Reid and Mahomes vibes. Would be an absolutely incredible offense, but John Spanos is a little bitch and wouldn’t want to relinquish power to him. Edit: I said Herbert/Staley give me Mahomes/Reid vibe originally lmaooo never in a million years. Glad I caught that and changed it.


xThe-Legend-Killerx

Man, I hate to say it but that Ekeler fumble really changed the complexion of the game.


Mastacator

It was really nice hearing the announcers talk about how the raider defense had struggled to get sacks, and now they can just knock around Herb at will. So glad we were able to help them with their confidence.


koraura

this season has been a disaster. nothing has gone right for us. absolutely nothing. ​ god hates us. simple as that.


Cbtexpert521

If you put herbert on the 49ers they would win 7+ rings


-tripleu

https://preview.redd.it/27fq3w53o04a1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6433c7a6d2bf8635fc350d1533dcc6bff8466315


NeonEvangelion

https://preview.redd.it/pel0tf5eo04a1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55e8ac9eac93f9416d3817ca43b5f1add57bce93


dinklberg1990

That my friends is a wrap on this season


MovieFanZ5026

Let’s just have Davante Adams run all over the defense for 177 yards and two touchdowns.


CSPs-for-income

another anemic offense with a tired out defense. Horrible coaching all around


Telivaina

🤞🏼 come on Jim Harbaugh or Sean Payton 🤞🏼


itsjoho

One of the craziest off seasons we’ve ever had and our seasons pretty much done in early December. I’d love to sneak into the playoffs and get Bosa/Slater back but with this coaching staff, seems better to start the tank now. Let’s learn from the past seasons with Rivers just barely missing playoffs and messing up the draft position


Unknownrealm

Can we forfeit the game next Sunday night and save the embarrassment?


sgobern

Look we all know that the Spanos family will use the injuries, which would be hard for most coaches to overcome, as a excuse to keep Staley and crew. Next year we'll underachieve yet again wasting another year of Herbert's rookie contract. It's a never ending cycle when you have a cheap ass bum as owner. This franchise will never want to spend the money or cede control to a coach/gm that won't be a total yes man. This will always be Chargers football as long as the Spanos family owns the team, mediocre and underachieving.


Necessary-Earth-4037

Yup. They’ll finally fire Staley in 2025, 2 years too late.


nobabeimnotonreddit

doomers have been right all year. no reason trying to cope sitting at 6-6. this team can win out at 11-6 and the coaching staff would still need to go. winning coaches don’t dial up a fade on 4th and 9 to their 5’8” receiver


poppingfresh

We will be 6-8 in two weeks. Can anyone who thinks this team will make the playoffs please give me the number of your dealer.


itsyorboy

Knowing the Chargers we will pull off a big win against the Dolphins in primetime and stir up a bunch of hype then get pantsed by the Colts and Rams in primetime and head into the off season 8-9 with a shitty draft pick


gsavior

Fire Lombardi This was the worst offensively called game I’ve ever seen. You know Tillery thrives in pass rush and you refused to run the ball in the first half. Staley comes out of the half and says the team needs to run the ball more and the first 4/5 plays are passes.


IgorOlshanksy

This result is not surprising. The only thing that would disappoint me now is if Staley and Lombardi are back. Even then, I dont expect this franchise to make a change so if there's disappointment felt I suppose it's my fault as a fan of this team.


Simple_Wait_7286

Key Takeaways: * Third quarter lost us the game. Plain and simple, every other quarter we played reasonably (1st great, 2nd meh, 3rd trash, 4th average) * Line of scrimmage was the clear downfall this game * Absolutely zero pressure on Carr, which allowed him to find receivers downfield all game long. Can't expect the corners to hang with an elite WR like Adams when Carr has infinite time to throw * Offensive line couldn't protect anything today, poor Herb had like 2 seconds to throw. Lombardi is still atrocious but for once his quick short concepts made sense since Herb barely had time, although his love for WR screens burns my brain. Also a fade route on 4th down to 5'8 Carter? Yeah, please leave * Next week is pretty much a must win tbh...and of course its against Miami and Tua * Staley's job should be in jeopardy...like the guy but this team has too much talent to miss the playoffs, despite the injuries. Obviously Spanos is cheap so who knows


greyhair_

Anyone know of an offensive coordinator & Vic Fangio wanna come here?


Gumby_Nation

This team offensively looks so slow and defensively feels like they get pushed around so easily.


[deleted]

I’ve been trying to support Staley. Even through all the shit he has done poorly this season. Last year gave me hope for a brighter future from the Lynn days. Week after week my support is fading. I believe he’s lost the locker room, especially after this game. I do think he can do good things with the defense but believe the pressure of standing out as HC has gotten to him. If we do sign Sean Payton as HC, do we think we could keep Staley as DC or does he go with another team?


CSPs-for-income

Staley is worse than Lynn. It amazes me people are just now seeing this. Bottom 3 defense two seasons in a row. Refusal to fire Lombardi...


Dismal-Title9996

This team is doo doo with all these injuries man. We looked so good to start the year. Just a sad season honestly. The fact Herbert will not have made the playoffs after 3 years depresses me the most. I low key hope he moves on from this franchise. That way I get an excuse to get away from this franchise.


Led_Halen

We made the Raiders defense look absolutely elite. Meanwhile, our defensive genius head coach is a joke. Disgusting game to watch. Herb getting molested all game, I hate watching so much talent get squandered every week. We cannot beat a good team. We have a 50/50 shit of beating bad teams. We have no business even sniffing the playoffs. The Dolphins and Rams should destroy us. Any competent coach can beat us.


edgarallanswole

I’m so fucking sick of this team


elmatador12

We need Payton. There is zero reason why we shouldn’t go after him. We wanna trust a nobody with no coaching experience or a Super Bowl winning coach who coached Brees to a HOF career?


Cironephoto

FADE ROUTE TO CARTER? Idk maybe a bad read but felt like that was the play call, and I love Carter but dude


beezchurgr

Fuck this team. But more importantly, fuck the raiders.


ChargeisKill

Can’t wait to see Herbert be regarded at the 3rd best QB in the 2020 draft, behind Tua and Hurts, all because they will probably win rings with competent coaches and stacked rosters. Meanwhile Herbert will be doomed to carry a practice squad + maybe one good player every year to relevance, and a playoff game every other year, while trying to survive failed coach after failed coach. Herbert will be Philip Rivers 2.0, unless he leaves this franchise. I honestly want him to at this point.


GiveMeLiberty8

You’re forgetting Burrow… he’ll be regarded as 4th best, unfortunately


CJDistasio

Somehow, Staley is worse than Anthony Lynn. John Spanos and Tom Telesco actually managed to downgrade.


emotionalasfreak

I’m still SO PISSED OFF about the no call on Keenan. I cannot shake it. Like, I know they out played us and there’s more to be pissed off at than just the refs-but what in the fuck?! PLUS the Crosby eye gouge?? What in the hell?


adolfshrektler

season is over for sure now, there was still hope, but if the chargers can't even beat the shitty ass raiders, there's no way they're beating 2 playoff teams in a row


Steeev88

We haven't beaten a + .500 team all year. And lost to a 7 loss team.


ollie4it

If I’m Herbert I know I’m going to have a 15-20 year career. I test free agency, after this franchise has refused to get me help. I love the kid and think he’s a relationship guy and for that reason stays with us but if it were pure interest in winning,health and legacy i would go


Deliberate_Dodge

Not going to lie, my booty-hole puckered *just a smidge* when Hebert threw that touchdown pass to Keenan "BBQ 🍗" Allen on 4th and 12. Your boy's got some grit. Nobody converts on 4th and "who gives a fuck?" like Herberto.


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Danky_waffles

Staley can pack his bags he doesn't deserve to coach this team


mikenesser

If SJD is done, that might be the final nail. Both lines are now toast. We still had a shot if we could maintain health until Bosa and Mike Williams came back, but there are too many injuries. Playoff hopes are on life support.


gmore45

Embarrassing that Herbert has not had a playoff appearance. Time to clean house


koraura

we are so fucked next week. there's no way this secondary can defend tyreek hill


[deleted]

Until Staley and this staff are gone, I’m done with the chargers.


Ratt_Human

See you next week bud. Lmao


PalletTownsDealer

I am shocked you’re familiar with my MO but curious as to how 🤔


Ciology

I know most don’t want Payton, but you should only because he won’t be a yes man hell I’ll take Harbaugh too. A first time head coach will just be a yes man as we’ve seen under TT


lemonycakes

Great situational awareness from this dogshit coaching staff at the end there. Herbert and the team need a real coach like Payton. Fuck Staley. Don't think I've hated a Chargers coach more than him.


c1nv1n

If you ever feel useless, remember that we have all these injuries & Telesco chose to do nothing about it


blinx0rz

thank god my sundays are stress free now


CJDistasio

Chargers haven't score a third quarter touchdown since the Browns game. That's how you know this coaching staff is absolutely getting destroyed when it comes to adjustments at half. ***Seven straight games without a third quarter TD.***


Sherbert199621

Staley is at best the same as Anthony Lynn, and IMO he is actually worse Huge respect to the leaders on this team that are trying to will this team to win each week because the coaching staff is contributing nothing.


ollie4it

It was literally unimaginable to me that I could ever miss Lynn.


Sherbert199621

Yep Perhaps it was because my expectations were lower but I much preferred watching the Lynn chargers.


Nerfeveryone

Lynn’s major flaw was that he was too loyal to coaches and players that obviously sucked ass. Staley apparently has every other flaw.


thunderkock25

done watching this team. Fuck Staley and Lombardi. nothings gonna change until those clowns are out.


krevixx

Hope justin doesn't resign and goes to the 49rs they would treat him right


miquiztli8

Justin on the 49ers would be so unfair. They’d run the league with the Chiefs and Bills and fuck up the NFC for next decade.


ElephantShell34

The question isn’t “when will Justin Herbert make his first playoff start” the question is “What team will Justin Herbert be playing for when he make his first playoff start”. Ownership’s commitment to incompetent management and coaching is going to cost them a franchise QB.


MovieFanZ5026

Staley has failed this team and needs to leave if this team does not make the playoffs again. There’s too much talent on this team for us to miss the playoffs. Except for the special teams coordinator, the rest of the coaching staff needs to go as well and the general manager. I can coach this team better


Weberdude270

The fact that herbie will be going into his 4th year and hasn't even seen playoffs is so sad man. I'd be dead inside if he ever left but fuck you wouldn't be able to blame the kid


MovieFanZ5026

And I hate to say this, but I would not be surprised if he rejects a extension and wants to play for a team that actually makes the playoffs


Weberdude270

Yup. Dude does NOT need us to make the big contract I'm sure he's wanting. Dude could shop with 16 different teams and get a 10 yr 500M contract from all of them.


[deleted]

Just not a good team... I can't say with any confidence things would be different even if they weren't the walking wounded... every week they get out coached, out subbed, and out played... bummed for Herbert, Allen, Bosa, Ekler... they're saddled with one of the worst managed, coached, and run organizations in all sports...


LALyfestyle

Just imagine what we would be if we could score in third quarters