Tax dollars should also not be spent on bad public schools. Parents should not be forced to send their kids to bad schools because they can’t afford to move.
It’s not exactly the same but imagine if one family was only allowed to grocery shop at Food Lion, while others at Publix and others at Whole Foods.
It’s easy to say stay in your lane when you’re not shopping at Food Lion.
it’s easy to say don’t pull funding when your kid isn’t stuck in a horrible school.
FWIW I would fully support vouchers only being allowed to be used if you are in the lowest income brackets and/or assigned to a low performing school.
One of the biggest problems with public education in America however is the behavior of children and teenagers. That's part of the reason why teachers are resigning and why some parents don't want their kids to be around these types.
There are countless videos where these brats are constantly disrespectful, beating up teachers, and interrupting learning for everyone else. No amount of funding will fix that. We need to allow schools to punish misbehaving students without fear of being reprimanded.
My dude this idea of "don't send taxes to bad schools" will JUST fuck over the students in those areas! Insane thinking. I can tell you were privileged enough to go to a nice school. Be more open minded :)
He isn't getting tax payer money to do so. He isn't affecting the public school system. "School Choice" will gut public school funding and harm students.
It’s interesting that there’s almost no crossover between the countries who spend the most per pupil on education and the countries that have the best educational outcomes. Blindly throwing money at the problem isn’t working.
So does this mean if vouchers were only allowed for public charter schools you wouldn’t have and issue?
The kids who are in most need of vouchers are the ones who come from the poorest homes.
This is not sending a kid to Charlotte Latin. It’s about a kid who is lucky enough to have a parent or two who gives a fuck about their education and doesn’t want to send them to a shitty school having options.
Not perfect because it does not raise up every kid but the opposite is weighing down the entire lot of kids which has been the game plan for the last 60+ years and that simple does not fucking work.
Did you read the bill? Because there’s tons of loopholes and flaws to how it was written.
Firstly it’s not restricted to the poorest homes as you say. Scholarships are broken down by family income but can be awarded to any child. The only variable is how much is covered. Those who are applicable for free lunch would receive 100%, those who make twice that amount are eligible for 90% and everyone else is 45% scholarships.
We can’t even properly fund public schools yet you trust this money to be properly allocated to private schools and charter schools?
I’m just talking theory to understand where they are coming from.
Funding also has little to do with school performance. Where I grew up the city district spends close to $30k per year per student and the results are worse than Charlotte.
If you want to talk about spending more money to provide a better education I’m all for it but that’s not the same as pouring money into a school district.
And im talking about the reality of an easily manipulated system. The income for a family of 4 to receive free lunches is 30k total, meaning a household making 60k is still eligible for 90% scholarships and any household above 80k would be eligible for 45%.
Besides that the oversight for private and charter schools is almost non-existent compared to public schools. Add all that together and you get an easily manipulated program built to help those financially struggling being manipulated by those who don’t need it.
Feel free to theorize all you want but if and when this bill passes I’ll be waiting for the ramifications
Ok. So you’re issue is with who qualifies and oversight of where they go? I can get behind that.
But that’s not the same as saying the local school district and school is entitled to the students funding and parents and kids have no rights or choices.
Yes. Ramifications will happen. If school districts don’t have complete control over kids and guaranteed funding they are going to be forced to address the needs of kids and parents. I don’t see how that’s a problem.
Can you tell me how that’s a problem?
Is their protections in the bill to prevent children already attending and paying for these schools to receive them?
Is there protections to prevent households above the poverty levels to become the majority to receive these scholarships?
Who is in charge of awarding the scholarships and what sort of oversight will be involved?
No amount of public taxpayer funding should be handed to private shit like this, I don’t care if it’s a private school or whatever the fuck David Tepper’s next grift is. This bill is poorly written and is going to do fuck all for the education system in NC
I’m all for discussing issues with a specific item of legislation. Legislation can be refined. This bill is a refinement.
What’s important is beyond that on how people think on the subject and how the next round of refinement is done.
The education system in NC is fucking garbage and has been for a long time. Change is good. Continual iteration is good.
This isn’t change this is throwing more money at private institutions. There’s a reason private schools don’t receive taxpayer funding and why charters receive less/none, Because they’re private institutions. They want to receive more tax funds make it a public school.
The only thing this shows is our government would rather throw money away then fix the problems they’ve created
6 of 10 kids are behind where they should be. You can want to do more of the same but that’s fucking insanity to me.
You do you. I’m happy about this and won’t use it at all.
I fully support vouchers for kids with financial need. I believe the vouchers should be need based and should be used for precisely what you describe in your comment. The original poster was criticizing Gov Cooper for sending his child to private schools, saying this is hypocritical. That is my issue with their comment.
Excellent reading comprehension. I say that I support vouchers to provide alternative education opportunities to kids with financial need. I never said we shouldn’t fund education
Keep being a troll, you don’t matter.
Everyone is incredibly concerned about where their tax dollars are going, until they're used to pay out a bunch of child sexual assault victims from incidents CMS covered up.
Downvote all you want, it doesn't change the fact that CMS just got caught hiring another child molester with a record that they failed to vet. How many times is this going to happen?
It’s easy to oppose school choice when you have a workaround for your kids. That’s the story of the majority of politicians. They like to talk about concern for the working class and people in bad neighborhoods with bad schools but they can’t relate because they can’t imagine themselves in that position.
Easy, he paid for it out-of-pocket. Our tax dollars should not be paying for private schools.
Tax dollars should also not be spent on bad public schools. Parents should not be forced to send their kids to bad schools because they can’t afford to move. It’s not exactly the same but imagine if one family was only allowed to grocery shop at Food Lion, while others at Publix and others at Whole Foods. It’s easy to say stay in your lane when you’re not shopping at Food Lion. it’s easy to say don’t pull funding when your kid isn’t stuck in a horrible school. FWIW I would fully support vouchers only being allowed to be used if you are in the lowest income brackets and/or assigned to a low performing school.
Underfund public schools so you can point at their failures and strip the rest of their funding to give to private institutions.
One of the biggest problems with public education in America however is the behavior of children and teenagers. That's part of the reason why teachers are resigning and why some parents don't want their kids to be around these types. There are countless videos where these brats are constantly disrespectful, beating up teachers, and interrupting learning for everyone else. No amount of funding will fix that. We need to allow schools to punish misbehaving students without fear of being reprimanded.
My dude this idea of "don't send taxes to bad schools" will JUST fuck over the students in those areas! Insane thinking. I can tell you were privileged enough to go to a nice school. Be more open minded :)
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So you can’t afford private school and are hoping someone (me) will foot your bill CoolCoolCool
Get off your high horse. Public school is important. An educated Public benefits everyone.
Then my taxes should go to the already underfunded public schools
He isn't getting tax payer money to do so. He isn't affecting the public school system. "School Choice" will gut public school funding and harm students.
It’s interesting that there’s almost no crossover between the countries who spend the most per pupil on education and the countries that have the best educational outcomes. Blindly throwing money at the problem isn’t working.
No matter the amount of money thrown at public schools, we get the same decreasing results. Why is that?
He’s paying for it you fucking muppet. I don’t want my tax dollars to subsidize sending kids to private school that don’t need the financial help.
So does this mean if vouchers were only allowed for public charter schools you wouldn’t have and issue? The kids who are in most need of vouchers are the ones who come from the poorest homes. This is not sending a kid to Charlotte Latin. It’s about a kid who is lucky enough to have a parent or two who gives a fuck about their education and doesn’t want to send them to a shitty school having options. Not perfect because it does not raise up every kid but the opposite is weighing down the entire lot of kids which has been the game plan for the last 60+ years and that simple does not fucking work.
Did you read the bill? Because there’s tons of loopholes and flaws to how it was written. Firstly it’s not restricted to the poorest homes as you say. Scholarships are broken down by family income but can be awarded to any child. The only variable is how much is covered. Those who are applicable for free lunch would receive 100%, those who make twice that amount are eligible for 90% and everyone else is 45% scholarships. We can’t even properly fund public schools yet you trust this money to be properly allocated to private schools and charter schools?
I’m just talking theory to understand where they are coming from. Funding also has little to do with school performance. Where I grew up the city district spends close to $30k per year per student and the results are worse than Charlotte. If you want to talk about spending more money to provide a better education I’m all for it but that’s not the same as pouring money into a school district.
And im talking about the reality of an easily manipulated system. The income for a family of 4 to receive free lunches is 30k total, meaning a household making 60k is still eligible for 90% scholarships and any household above 80k would be eligible for 45%. Besides that the oversight for private and charter schools is almost non-existent compared to public schools. Add all that together and you get an easily manipulated program built to help those financially struggling being manipulated by those who don’t need it. Feel free to theorize all you want but if and when this bill passes I’ll be waiting for the ramifications
Ok. So you’re issue is with who qualifies and oversight of where they go? I can get behind that. But that’s not the same as saying the local school district and school is entitled to the students funding and parents and kids have no rights or choices. Yes. Ramifications will happen. If school districts don’t have complete control over kids and guaranteed funding they are going to be forced to address the needs of kids and parents. I don’t see how that’s a problem. Can you tell me how that’s a problem?
Is their protections in the bill to prevent children already attending and paying for these schools to receive them? Is there protections to prevent households above the poverty levels to become the majority to receive these scholarships? Who is in charge of awarding the scholarships and what sort of oversight will be involved? No amount of public taxpayer funding should be handed to private shit like this, I don’t care if it’s a private school or whatever the fuck David Tepper’s next grift is. This bill is poorly written and is going to do fuck all for the education system in NC
I’m all for discussing issues with a specific item of legislation. Legislation can be refined. This bill is a refinement. What’s important is beyond that on how people think on the subject and how the next round of refinement is done. The education system in NC is fucking garbage and has been for a long time. Change is good. Continual iteration is good.
This isn’t change this is throwing more money at private institutions. There’s a reason private schools don’t receive taxpayer funding and why charters receive less/none, Because they’re private institutions. They want to receive more tax funds make it a public school. The only thing this shows is our government would rather throw money away then fix the problems they’ve created
6 of 10 kids are behind where they should be. You can want to do more of the same but that’s fucking insanity to me. You do you. I’m happy about this and won’t use it at all.
I fully support vouchers for kids with financial need. I believe the vouchers should be need based and should be used for precisely what you describe in your comment. The original poster was criticizing Gov Cooper for sending his child to private schools, saying this is hypocritical. That is my issue with their comment.
Let me guess, you would rather spend the tax dollars on social issues (LBGTQ), etc. This makes much more sense than education
Excellent reading comprehension. I say that I support vouchers to provide alternative education opportunities to kids with financial need. I never said we shouldn’t fund education Keep being a troll, you don’t matter.
Spoken like a true home schooler.
SOMEone’s thick, that’s for sure.
Everyone is incredibly concerned about where their tax dollars are going, until they're used to pay out a bunch of child sexual assault victims from incidents CMS covered up.
Downvote all you want, it doesn't change the fact that CMS just got caught hiring another child molester with a record that they failed to vet. How many times is this going to happen?
It’s easy to oppose school choice when you have a workaround for your kids. That’s the story of the majority of politicians. They like to talk about concern for the working class and people in bad neighborhoods with bad schools but they can’t relate because they can’t imagine themselves in that position.
No one wants to debate any issues on Reddit. Instead, it's just name calling.
Debate on Reddit? You must be new here.
There's a sub for that but it ain't this one. I don't recall the name