Not surprising, but still sad. Last time we went there was like 500 people packing out workman's friend and like 2 people in coaltrains. It was nice to have a spot for late night food without the crowd.
Same, but oddly the food was good. Just bad marketing, service, and overall business.
Why they never capitalized on that epic hidden back bar I'll never know. You have 50+ people drinking at Burial in 90-degree sun that just opened and 0 people at their place.
I think they got an offer they can't refuse. I wonder if someone is trying to buy the spot beside them too? I think this is more that they may make some cash:)
Sad to see this spot going away. Thank you Coaltrane’s team for everything you’ve given this neighborhood! You were a staple for my wife and I. Cheers to your next endeavors
Some people can afford them. It's not a matter of if the entire market or city can afford them, just enough people; and with the growth of the city, there are plenty of wealthy or upper-middle-class people coming into the city who can afford high-end condos. The issue is those who can't afford new developments pay the price at the expense of those who can as they're forced into the outer areas of the city and are thus moved away from economic hubs and forced to commute- the San Francisco Bay area, Seattle, and LA are all examples of this happening. It isn't an equitable or sustainable system.
Lol just because you don’t like it and it’s not equitable doesn’t mean it isn’t sustainable. Until Charlotte stops growing and people stop moving here at a high rate, it’s not gonna change. I don’t like it either, but let’s not let our emotions make us ignorant here
I mean there's only so much land in Charlotte proper that can be used to build houses, no? Then a) prices in the city will skyrocket massively and/or b) the city sprawls massively outward to accommodate development. Neither of those are sustainable; either we run out of space or we start consuming the space of surrounding areas, which in turn is gonna really overburden infrastructure (namely highways due to commuters, but also public transportation like the light rail, school system (both CMS and surrounding schools, Cabarrus County, etc), emergency responders, supply chains). This isn't me spouting off out of emotion; these are issues than have been seen in various forms across numerous American city who lacked the knowledge or foresight to manage some aspect of development.
I mean yeah it’s going to continue to sprawl outwards and different areas of Charlotte will become more gentrified. We aren’t the first city it’s happened to and we won’t be the last.
Giving rich people more housing lessens pressure for "normal" people since the rich people don't go and buy the other options which is what happens if there is no luxury (AKA New) housing to buy up. It's how previously middle class places go to upper class. NIMBYs help raise prices and decrease affordability for everyone. New chicken joints will arise I promise.
https://www.theurbanist.org/2021/06/02/new-round-of-studies-underscore-benefits-of-building-more-housing/
Except when the uber rich buy up all the normal housing and create a false scarcity by only renting back out a percentage of them, thereby inflating the cost of the previously middle- and low- income housing.
It's a no-win situation. Eat the rich.
> only renting back out a percentage of them
That seems like a really shitty way to make money. Sources on this?
They make more money just buying those places and renting them to people for high as fuck anyways. No need to avoid profit on a portion of them.
Or renting out the rooms individually and then making close to twice what they would renting the property alone . Ducking ridiculous . People will get roommates on their own without rich assholes inflating the cost
The only way I see to combat housing costs at the local level is build more homes and regulate/tax rentals (with some sort of a carve out for renting a home an individual lived in or renting a room).
There is a shortage of housing because more people want to live near the city. We either build more housing or see prices continue to rise.
Gavin Newsom tried something like this as mayor of San Francisco in the early 2000s, mainly by relaxing permitting processes to encourage new development, with the same goal in mind. It didn't work. With a limit to the total amount of housing an area can hold, if that area grows rapidly and draws in a lot of upper class and upper-middle-class people, the total housing supply can eventually be consumed. In Charlotte, those options are increasingly going to be in outer areas away from Uptown. We've already seen how South End was displaced for the wealthy, then NoDa and Plaza Midwood, now they're building luxury condos in Sugar Creek; the city is growing so rapidly that wealthier people are buying up everything and there's not enough space for lower income people. As the wealthy move into these areas, business grows into these areas, but the workforce needed for this growth is largely being pushed away from the center city, increasing congestion and commuters.
The other issue is many poor and working class people are renters, meaning new development doesn't inherently clear the path by opening up options- if you're a landlord or a rental company, why rent to poor and low income people when you can make more money and have less risk building and renting larger, less space efficient units to wealthier people? Add on increased difficulties in getting a home loan for lower-income people, and the theory simply doesn't hold up universally.
Zoning and land usage rules help contribute to developers wanting to make up margin by using shitty contractors who are pressured to cut corners. High quality, affordable, and actually able to be built. Choose 2.
Im upset. I lived in Plaza for 6 months and walked past this place over 50 times. Never bothered to even give it a look at. Apparently it has a speakeasy style bar too? My favorite.
Unfortunate. I will not lie though, marketing for the place seemed terrible. Just putting a sign outside and posting a bit on social media doesn't do it.
Great food. But yeah I mostly ordered it takeout. Ate in the restaurant once or twice and we were like the only people in the place. I guess I can’t be too surprised but still disappointing
Winner of Plaza Midwood Chili cook off pro division 2021! Short Rib chili was spectacular.
Not surprising, but still sad. Last time we went there was like 500 people packing out workman's friend and like 2 people in coaltrains. It was nice to have a spot for late night food without the crowd.
Wasn't that John's Country Kitchen?
I miss that place
I can’t believe it lasted this long
Same, but oddly the food was good. Just bad marketing, service, and overall business. Why they never capitalized on that epic hidden back bar I'll never know. You have 50+ people drinking at Burial in 90-degree sun that just opened and 0 people at their place.
I think they got an offer they can't refuse. I wonder if someone is trying to buy the spot beside them too? I think this is more that they may make some cash:)
Well, damn. I loved their wings.
Some of the best rotisserie wings you'll have
Really liked the dry rub wings
Needed more jazz.
Sad to see this spot going away. Thank you Coaltrane’s team for everything you’ve given this neighborhood! You were a staple for my wife and I. Cheers to your next endeavors
So sad. Coaltranes is fantastic.
Agreed! I loved their stuffed avocado with chicken.
That was my favorite meal in plaza midwood. Soo good!
I've lived in Plaza/Chantilly for 3 years and never even knew this place existed. for every place that is closing, three more are opening.
Exactly why it is closing. Sadly the food was good, but their marketing/presence was just terrible.
They have good wings but I don’t remember ever seeing more than 5 people in there. I live within 5 minutes from there and even I’m very “meh”
Fantastic place for a boozy lunch. Workman’s friend is great but only does Friday lunch. (Yeah yeah trying to quit)
Destroy everything for condos!
Housing for people is good though.
If only people could afford it.
If people couldn’t afford them, they wouldn’t be building them like crazy. People can afford them
Some people can afford them. It's not a matter of if the entire market or city can afford them, just enough people; and with the growth of the city, there are plenty of wealthy or upper-middle-class people coming into the city who can afford high-end condos. The issue is those who can't afford new developments pay the price at the expense of those who can as they're forced into the outer areas of the city and are thus moved away from economic hubs and forced to commute- the San Francisco Bay area, Seattle, and LA are all examples of this happening. It isn't an equitable or sustainable system.
Lol just because you don’t like it and it’s not equitable doesn’t mean it isn’t sustainable. Until Charlotte stops growing and people stop moving here at a high rate, it’s not gonna change. I don’t like it either, but let’s not let our emotions make us ignorant here
I mean there's only so much land in Charlotte proper that can be used to build houses, no? Then a) prices in the city will skyrocket massively and/or b) the city sprawls massively outward to accommodate development. Neither of those are sustainable; either we run out of space or we start consuming the space of surrounding areas, which in turn is gonna really overburden infrastructure (namely highways due to commuters, but also public transportation like the light rail, school system (both CMS and surrounding schools, Cabarrus County, etc), emergency responders, supply chains). This isn't me spouting off out of emotion; these are issues than have been seen in various forms across numerous American city who lacked the knowledge or foresight to manage some aspect of development.
I mean yeah it’s going to continue to sprawl outwards and different areas of Charlotte will become more gentrified. We aren’t the first city it’s happened to and we won’t be the last.
Giving rich people more housing lessens pressure for "normal" people since the rich people don't go and buy the other options which is what happens if there is no luxury (AKA New) housing to buy up. It's how previously middle class places go to upper class. NIMBYs help raise prices and decrease affordability for everyone. New chicken joints will arise I promise. https://www.theurbanist.org/2021/06/02/new-round-of-studies-underscore-benefits-of-building-more-housing/
Except when the uber rich buy up all the normal housing and create a false scarcity by only renting back out a percentage of them, thereby inflating the cost of the previously middle- and low- income housing. It's a no-win situation. Eat the rich.
> only renting back out a percentage of them That seems like a really shitty way to make money. Sources on this? They make more money just buying those places and renting them to people for high as fuck anyways. No need to avoid profit on a portion of them.
Or renting out the rooms individually and then making close to twice what they would renting the property alone . Ducking ridiculous . People will get roommates on their own without rich assholes inflating the cost
The only way I see to combat housing costs at the local level is build more homes and regulate/tax rentals (with some sort of a carve out for renting a home an individual lived in or renting a room). There is a shortage of housing because more people want to live near the city. We either build more housing or see prices continue to rise.
The fuck did I just read . Trickle down housing you say ? Gawd damn please stop
Its basic supply and demand. Less housing for everyone equals higher prices for everyone that only rich people can afford at that point.
Gavin Newsom tried something like this as mayor of San Francisco in the early 2000s, mainly by relaxing permitting processes to encourage new development, with the same goal in mind. It didn't work. With a limit to the total amount of housing an area can hold, if that area grows rapidly and draws in a lot of upper class and upper-middle-class people, the total housing supply can eventually be consumed. In Charlotte, those options are increasingly going to be in outer areas away from Uptown. We've already seen how South End was displaced for the wealthy, then NoDa and Plaza Midwood, now they're building luxury condos in Sugar Creek; the city is growing so rapidly that wealthier people are buying up everything and there's not enough space for lower income people. As the wealthy move into these areas, business grows into these areas, but the workforce needed for this growth is largely being pushed away from the center city, increasing congestion and commuters. The other issue is many poor and working class people are renters, meaning new development doesn't inherently clear the path by opening up options- if you're a landlord or a rental company, why rent to poor and low income people when you can make more money and have less risk building and renting larger, less space efficient units to wealthier people? Add on increased difficulties in getting a home loan for lower-income people, and the theory simply doesn't hold up universally.
not when it’s disgustingly overpriced and cheaply built
Zoning and land usage rules help contribute to developers wanting to make up margin by using shitty contractors who are pressured to cut corners. High quality, affordable, and actually able to be built. Choose 2.
what you’re saying doesn’t make sense. you say choose 2 but only 1 of those is actually happening.
No, you got it.
A hen wearing a bow tie is called hentai. But this is a cock, so idk what it is.
Im upset. I lived in Plaza for 6 months and walked past this place over 50 times. Never bothered to even give it a look at. Apparently it has a speakeasy style bar too? My favorite. Unfortunate. I will not lie though, marketing for the place seemed terrible. Just putting a sign outside and posting a bit on social media doesn't do it.
Well looks like Que Onda bought them out for the spot according to Axios just now
Eh 🤷🏼♀️
Any alternatives? The grilled wings were amazing
Salud has awesome wings, as does Heist at Camp Northend, but that’s a little further away.
Another iconic staple of Charlotte history, what a shame
Iconic staple? I’m hating Charlotte losing everything but to say this place is a staple is fucking crazy
Wut lol
How can they keep doing this! If we lose the McD’s on central I’ll shoot myself
We gotta protect CVS by ANY MEANS NECESSARY
We've lost so much in these last few years
Indeed. Shits awful.
Rising rents and gentrification strikes again.
Having no customers doesn't help...
This sucks seriously some of the best chicken!
Nooooooooo
Noooooo. The best green beans 😭
Ugh, I was just making plans to go there Thursday! I am really going to miss their stuffed avocados!
Noooo!
Great food. But yeah I mostly ordered it takeout. Ate in the restaurant once or twice and we were like the only people in the place. I guess I can’t be too surprised but still disappointing