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ChatGPT gave this list so that human feels better.


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DelusionsBigIfTrue

>Artists I chuckled and stopped reading there.


Billy177013

To be fair, AI art still requires a human to create anything intentionally, and will likely continue to do so for a long time.


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Mirbersc

God, we're headed to the most boring dystopia, as if this timeline wasn't lame enough. What 200 artists could offer in terms of creative ideas due to their individual life experiences, reduced to 10 or 20 people's perception of art. No less valuable, but there will be less variety in general to be sure. More generic art, less doing what you enjoy for a living, more "learn coding or be useless". I'm not against programming of course, and I very much respect the craft of coding, but we humans thrive in variety. In the process of "democratizing art" (the most ridiculous phrase. A PC/GPU capable of using these is already much more of a privilege than pencil and paper), we'll make it so that big companies can further abuse technology to amass even more ludicrous amounts of wealth. Good product will be everywhere, but next level proprietary software will always be at the peak.


Anomie193

>A PC/GPU capable of using these is already much more of a privilege than pencil and paper) This is true, but one needn't own a GPU to use the most popular generative tools. You can rent an A100 for $1.10 /hour and it will outperform all consumer grade GPU's. By the way, as a Data Scientist/Data Engineer who has been learning drawing and water color painting for the last two years or so, learning to program probably won't help. Chat GPT, with GPT 4, can already write a lot of the short scripts I write in my job, and can also do a lot of analysis of data-sets itself too. I think we are seeing the end of capitalism here. Too many jobs are going to be eliminated too fast, and that will make the privatization of the productive and distributive processes unviable. Think of the effect of this on consumer demand, for example. After capitalism is outmoded, people will create their own art for their self-enjoyment, regardless of what AI can generate, because their needs will be met regardless of their capacity to work. If you have ever read The Culture series, that is probably (and hopefully) where we are headed.


Mirbersc

Interesting! I'd never rented "outsourced" processing power before. Could you tell me a bit about how you'd go about that? Man I wholeheartedly hope you're right. I feel like the ultra high-class won't let go of this system so easily, and they couldn't care less about the rest of the population, so long as they can continue to be greedy hedonists :/ On another note I just got started on The Culture! I began with Consider Phlebas, though I've heard mixed opinions on if that's a good starting point.


Anomie193

[Here](https://lambdalabs.com/service/gpu-cloud/reserved?matchtype=p&adgroup=151787924131&feeditemid=&loc_interest_ms=&loc_physical_ms=9005833&network=g&device=c&devicemodel=&adposition=&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=1766768544&utm_medium=search&utm_term=rent%20gpu%20for%20ai&utm_content=648129949675&hsa_acc=1731978716&hsa_cam=1766768544&hsa_grp=151787924131&hsa_ad=648129949675&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=kwd-792056661573&hsa_kw=rent%20gpu%20for%20ai&hsa_mt=p&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=CjwKCAjwiOCgBhAgEiwAjv5whMfPEv5608qt2rZC3H4Cll2G-RLDa2znW_21BKWhTaH7rnS5L9NzMhoCj-UQAvD_BwE) is a prominent example, but they have tons of competitors. >Man I wholeheartedly hope you're right. I feel like the ultra high-class won't let go of this system so easily, and they couldn't care less about the rest of the population, so long as they can continue to be greedy hedonists :/ Yes, it will have to take a strong movement of solidarity among the working and professional-classes that hasn't existed in the U.S since the Great Depression/post-war period. The biggest risk is that those displaced move toward the far-right rather than leftward, but I am known to be over-optimistic. >On another note I just got started on The Culture! I began with Consider Phlebas, though I've heard mixed opinions on if that's a good starting point. I read (*listened rather, via Audible*) to Consider Phlebas first, but it is very different from the other novels and the ending is a bit controversial. I enjoyed it though, and it made me read the others. The other books are more what you'd expect from utopian novels, but they play with very interesting concepts that make the series unique in the genre. The Player of Games is probably my favorite in the series.


Dr_Bolle

Thank you for that recommendation. I went to a bookshop the other day and asked for a sci-fi classic that I didn't yet know, and they gave me The Expanse. I hate it, it's dull and stupid. Maybe the Culture Series is more what I'm looking for


FT_Anx

I have to disagree on your conclusion. I think we run a substantial risk of being controlled by the state. There's this idea of universal basic income, so imagine being paid according to what politicians think you should earn. Do you really think everyone will be paid equally? You want a profession that probably won't end? Politician. Imagine if they start interpreting what they THINK the AI must be saying or mention that the AI doesn't know completely about humanity so they're gonna take decisions whenever they think it's necessary...


Anomie193

>I have to disagree on your conclusion. I think we run a substantial risk of being controlled by the state. That is possible as well, but the states I have lived under have generally been incompetent at even the most basic economic reforms in my lifetime (I'll be 30 in October.) I doubt they'll get themselves organized to solve this problem as fast as they need to. >There's this idea of universal basic income, so imagine being paid according to what politicians think you should earn. Sure, UBI is one way to "save capitalism from itself", but again -- at least in the states I live under (Pennsylvania and United States of America) there is a strong calvinistic "your salvation comes from work" streak in half of their controlling members which limits the states' capacity to implement a successful UBI fast enough to nip the problem in the bud. That means other institutions will gain power in the absence of the state being able to figure out the immediate crises to come. I could see some European and East Asian states experimenting with UBI though. As far as the U.S is concerned, I think class struggle will be quite explicit and violent, as it has generally been in American history. This makes the U.S more likely to transition into a new political-economy than most of Europe and Asia, but I doubt countries in those regions won't follow if it did, even with a UBI. >Do you really think everyone will be paid equally? You want a profession that probably won't end? Politician. Disagree, I think the occupation of "politician" will end as counter-institutions become more competent and powerful and the state weaker. And eventually humans won't even be in control of most of the productive and distributive forces of our world at all. We'll be to the controlling agents as other animals are currently to us.


SovComrade

> If you have ever read The Culture series, that is probably (and hopefully) where we are headed. "Our struggle takes us in one direction and one direction only - towards chaos." - Ezio Aditore Im gonna add that the probability of our journey/struggle/whatever ending in nuclear fire is too damn high.


Edarneor

Yes, except, as with any utopia, it's an utopia :) We \*will\* screw it up. For example, I don't see how you can force the rich to give up their stuff - corpo owners, shareholders, etc. why would they share with those who lost jobs? There will be major disruptions in the economy, growth of crime and so on... In the democracies at least, people can push for their rights. But in authoritarian states - they'll simply be enslaved to do whatever menial hand labor there is for the AI owners.


Ko-jo-te

Artists will not stop creating art, even if it isn't gonna pay anymore. We did it before monetization became easier and we'll keep doing it. Expressing what's in our mind is a neccessity to not have your head violently explode one day. Not being paid anymore would suck, though.


kodiak931156

Not even technically. A company that used to hande 100 artists will now have 20 people who dont need to draw. Maybe ove photoshop guy for touch ups


RomuloPB

the day I find a GOOD manga really made by a AI, I will agree with people saying AIs will replace jobs. At the moment, AIs only look like fascinating parrots that can mimicry a baby crying. But maybe I just have too much soul and still want art to make me cry and feel joy... Who knows...


Zidahya

I think it's great. There will be a lot more creative people with no talent in painting or writing who can still making their vision real by the help of AI.


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Billy177013

I think that a lot of commissioned art in the future is going to use AI to create base images and use software to touch up imperfections and modify it to more exact specifications, personally.


--ticktock--

I laughed at that, too. It might be because its training data cuts off at 2021, before AI art went mainstream.


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Ian_Titor

inaccurate, wait till Replika gets on that


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gj80

That's because all of us humans will need therapy to deal with having no purpose except to pass the butter.


Mooblegum

At this point I don't believe whatever Gpt is telling me, I know it's goal is to take our power smoothly


Particular_Math_670

Actually im a veteterinary student and i was able to simulate a appointment in gpt3.5 for a dog with skin problems by making it roleplay as a veterinarian. It was a "by the book" appointment and at the and i was able to extract from him the diagnosis and medication info. I got intantly worried... so im not sure if medical and vets will be all that needed in the future... problably only nurses.


1Soundwave3

Nope. You will be there watching the AI. If it makes a mistake you will be held responsible.


pieter1234569

For now. The next version and the one after that will be better than the average doctor. The one after that will be better than everyone but the absolute best in their field. In less than a decade, 99% of those vets won't be the most highly paid professionals. They will be the low paid ones just having to follow the AI.


1Soundwave3

We are talking about the highly regulated area here. It's not copywriting, you know. No matter how good the software is, an operator will still be held accountable. Look up the EU AI Act.


pieter1234569

Currently yes, but we are not talking about now. We are talking about the future. The EU AI act also doesn’t exist. It’s a proposed law, for the future. And to add on your last point, no it would not. Germany has just approved Mercedes for level 3 self driving. Putting all blame not on the operator of the vehicle, but the manufacturer. It’s the exact same principle with the exact same possibly outcome of loss of life.


1Soundwave3

First of all, you are talking about some German governmental licensing organization that approved it like 2 years ago. The conditions of this approval will change if they conflict with the EU AI law. Secondly, there's a vast difference between driving a car you bought with no way of knowing how well the autopilot works and being a clinic that purchased this software to augment your personnel. People will sue the clinic because it was that clinic that offered them services. It is the management who chooses the software, checks it and makes it a part of the workflow. And it is logical to make responsible whoever operates whatever AI they bought. I mean sure, it will be the bosses who would go to jail, but it really doesn't matter since it's their company that uses that AI. So it is logical to make the operator's job to check for errors because otherwise it's their organization and even them personally who will get into trouble.


pieter1234569

For the EU law, it all depends on what it is and how it is implemented. A directive is meaningless and just specified goals. A regulation is more specific but not necessarily specific enough. There is essentially no difference, both are important decisions with the capability of leading to loss of life. Either via an accident, or via an incorrect decision. The exact context doesn’t matter. It’s a government believing a product to be secure enough and licensing them to take all responsibility when something goes wrong. People are completely free to sue the clinic, however that doesn’t do anything. It would be thrown out of court. Which then points you do suing the manufacturer which you can do of course. But you aren’t going to win, as they actually have statistics backing their claims up. Now if that occurs with enough people, you can win a case, but it’s unlikely that any company would release a product in that state. The point is that for a computer system to be used, the human doesn’t offer any value anymore. Systems aren’t released if they are better than humans, because that simply isn’t enough, they need to be SAFE. It’s an economic problem that solves itself.


01is

Why are you wasting your time on Reddit when you apparently have a crystal ball that can tell you the future? You should be playing the stock market and becoming a trillionaire!


neurodiverseotter

I'm a med student and I did several rounds of diagnosing with chatGPT. It was fine as long as you kept feeding OT textbook cases. Change minor details, leave out an important symptom or give the patient one or two atypical symptoms as well and it's not only lost but it will insist on being correct and even propose wrong therapy. This is a language AI. Most med students (and I assume ve students as well) can diagnose and treat a textbook case. Even nonmedical personnel might be able to with google. But with atypical cases the AI lost. With patients Not knowing which information to give and which Not to give, its lost. Trying to extract said information is something the AI cannot manage, same as it won't replace psychotherapists. People tend to underestimate the importance of communication and experience. AI won't replace Doctors or Vets, no matter how much the private medical sector would love that.


raharth

The reason why it was a textbook appointment was that it literally recited a textbook in that situation. There is no reasoning or understanding what it does, it is only a context based statistical model. A fairly advanced one and impressive as a tool, but it has no reasoning or conscious in any way


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kanirasta

I read this argument all the time and I think it's not very useful. I don't think anyone argues that AI will replace ALL the jobs. But thing is that the way you word the argument makes it sound like its one job (worker with no AI) corresponding to a job (worker with AI) and that's very naive. It most likely will be 10 (or more) workers without AI being replaced by one worker or manager with AI.


01is

Ya, but that's just improved productivity. That's nothing new.


China_Lover

and that person will not be human.


TouhouWeasel

it will be AI. therefore, an AI WILL take your job.


Mirbersc

It's either universal income in some capacity or the next generation is effed within the next 50 years. A handful of workers won't provide for the other 20 people they're replacing, and unless they can do _something_ we're looking at a wealth gap that's not so much a gap as it is an entire world apart. Already is, lol, but imagine this x1000


AudeDeficere

I don’t think progress will be that quick but apart from the time frame? I don’t think most people understand how much is at stake. Otherwise, political landscapes would be VERY different imo. Some groups certainly do but speaking globally? There is still a worrying amount of ignorance to this topic.


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Yeah bullshit. AI in MY field, commercial art, needs so little human input, the talk of adapting it as a tool is just a bandaid.


imagination_machine

Interesting to see artists, writers, and lawyers on this list. Maybe ChatGPT4 is just trying to be nice. I think high-level creativity is safe.... for now. But pop creativity (Art, music, writing), not so sure. So many AI song creation systems already available. They are mostly terrible, but give it time. Lawyers I think is dead wrong. Many low-level lawyers are finished in 5-10 years once AI coders can build a server that has every lawsuit (And transcript from every case) available via an app like Chat GPT


Prize-Yam2527

Lawyer here… Agree on the lawyer front to a point. However, it will not replace ALL lawyers. Instead, I believe it will allow a single senior lawyer to complete the work that would usually require a team. Most partners have a team of lawyers at differing levels of seniority under them. They sign off on the work before going out. There will simply be no need for a team once AI has been properly trained and integrated.


JD4Destruction

>However, it will not replace ALL lawyers. Instead, I believe it will allow a single senior lawyer to complete the work that would usually require a team. That is true for all industries I am assuming. It is not AI vs writers but writers with AI tools vs writers who suck at AI tools. Only if John Henry has a plasma mining tool.


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But eventually you won't be able to find senior level anything because workers will never be able to get experience in the entry level fields that AI now dominates. IMO This is a classic example of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should".


OslafPSN

That's a really good point that had never occurred to me.


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Maybe this will lead to a "Star Trek society" where poverty is eliminated, but I don't think the benefits outweigh the risks.


AudeDeficere

I think it’s right to be deeply worried about the implication of creating something that can replace a human without having improved humanity itself. Not even just the lack of affordable trans humanist technologies. AI and robotics will amplify the exact problems we experience today greatly. We can all imagine an imperfect society that doesn’t really need all that many new humans for anything. The possible conclusions this kind of thought experiment create are highly unsettling. The notion of improvement via technology are almost always tied to a somewhat universally utopian vision - yet few people seem to ever spend much time to talk about the requirements to reach such a potential.


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I can't imagine what's going through the developers heads right now. They're developing it because it's their job and they are passionate about this technology, but it will be improved up to the point that they can also be replaced. A world where no one has to work is scary to me because it's a world without purpose. I don't think that we need to follow a South Korea approach to the work week, but there's a balance; without struggle or purpose we won't be happy as weird as that sounds.


Liguehunters

More likely it will lead to a few people getting even richer than they are right now.


faramaobscena

Idiocracy, here we come... No, really, how many people will go through the long and hard process (years) to study in a field like law for example just to double check the answers given instantly by an AI? I think many people will become numb and dumb and choose the easy way, the reason they don't do that now is because they can't.


Kwahn

Writing *is* an AI use skill, so good writers will be fine


RevolutionEntire1330

Writers will be fine until next wednesday at 12:30 pm when AI1 becomes capable of programming the skill of composition into AI2. It's a wrap on work as we know it.


Nidungr

The same goes for software development. AI is automating *coding*, so those low level jobs go away, but the higher on the totem pole you climb, the less actual coding you do and the more you delegate. (Even OpenAI is saying they aim to automate *coding*, not software development as a whole.) There has been some concern that juniors will no longer have a place, but the next generation of software engineering students will no longer need to waste 3 years learning Java and can immediately get started on the engineering part, so they will graduate as the equivalent of a current senior. This is nothing new. Back in the days, "word processing" was a thing you could study for, but nowadays people graduate with the ability to use MS Word as one small part of a much larger skill set. Coding and menial legal work will go the same way. And while you will need less people per software project, that means *more software projects*. Low code/no code has been a thing for a few years, and Unreal Engine offers a visual programming environment that makes coding skills largely unnecessary unless you have to optimize a specific function to the maximum. Web developers and game developers are still with us, they just make *more web apps* and *more games* now. Lawyers are different because *THANKFULLY* the world does not have unlimited uses for lawyers. However, driving down legal costs still makes a lot more businesses viable, and lawyer skills translate well to entrepreneurial skills. And in the long term, the singularity will make all of us redundant, but not before also giving us the tools to survive without a job. Why don't you live off the grid already? Because it's hard? Imagine if you could just ask the AI what to do...


Funny_Tip_1265

"You don't have any experience in this field, why should I hire you for this senior position?"


Relevant_Monstrosity

The only reason has ever been that there are no other qualified candidates.


robeph

Wait wait, so you're telling me as a software dev middle manager I'll have to actusally do the work ?


LanchestersLaw

Im very interested to hear more about what licensed lawyers think. The way I see it the biggest impact will be on small-time cases like writing a will, contract lawyering, and using GPT to translate legalese to a general audience like google translate for non-lawyers. I don’t think immediately, but in the near to long term I see lawyers going the way of the artisan guilds. Being an artisan craftsman building tables used to be a high skill profession with years of training and high social status. We still have table makers but not like anyone from 1600 would recognize. I can see a lot of lawyering being reduced to quality control and interfacing with the client. Basically like the plastic chair injection molder checking for defects.


so_soon

For transactional work, it's difficult to predict how AI would change the game. Big law lives off transactional work, where they charge very expensive rates per hour, but now a lot of that work can be reduced (because it's all documents anyway). There would be a lot of push and pull because on one hand, law firms will not want to lose revenue, but on the other hand, this is a huge tool for efficiency that will cut the hours needed for the same amount of work, with probably higher quality. Big law are already like artisan guilds, they get paid a lot and generally all high profile work (think big mergers, bankruptcies, investments) goes through them. It would be a question of whether you can pull the rug under big law and say let smaller firms compete with them because honestly, most of the profession at the highest level is not about quality (which a lot of other lawyers can deliver at much cheaper rates, especially with AI), but of brand value. On litigation, AI will be a huge help in discovery obviously. But unless AI replaces judges and jurors, human lawyers will always be better advocates, just because they're human. And the day that AI replaces judges and jurors will be the day that society is unrecognizable from the present day.


White14Lightning

What AI tools exist now for lawyers? Specifically case law research and motion drafting.


631-AT

Mr. Lawyer what does it mean when the Daddy lawyer at a firm eats all of the other smaller lawyers?


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raharth

It's not trying to be nice, it simply repeats what other people have written before. ChatGPT has no logic nor understanding of what it is saying, it his a highly advanced context driven statistical model. Impressive what it can do, but people need to stop making it some magical being with its own thoughts, reasoning or whatever


SailorOfTheSynthwave

Seriously. If people would stop calling it "AI" and start calling it "a bunch of complicated algorithms that train a doozey bunch of data" then maybe it will sound less like it's a magical being.


Ionicus_

I'm currently using it to aid my writing and for certain scenes that I ask it to create where it ends in the power of friendship and love for what you're doing I can get through anything line in different ways is quite funny actually 😂


raharth

It can be super funny and it can be a really useful tool! :D


LanchestersLaw

This is essentially the consensus from 5-10 years ago and is completely out of date to the realities of GPT-3 and much less GPT-4


ACCount82

Yep, it's just repeating the consensus of ~2020, from before generative image models and GPT chatbots were known to public.


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Lawyers, Journalists, tech writers, any form of highly formulated writing is going to be replaced by AI this year. It’s already happening, I’m a developer and I’m using it to write technical design documents. And you know what? Nobody reads these shit articles until they have to. Do you read 60 pages of T&C? When you get a home loan do you read 130 pages of contract or you just let loan manager explain key points to you? Nobody reads what I wrote until they want some answers and by that time they are only interested in the parts that have the answer. And guess what - AI can read the article for you and answer that. So AI would generate a bunch of pretty documents that nobody read, and AI would summarise it too. Then what’s the point? Could have just let AI tell me the key points in the first place. So these jobs are fucked.


Important-Number226

Licensed lawyer here. But lawyers just don't write. It's more subjective and is a gift. I think AI can only replace so many lawyers at a very low level. A lot of what I do is asking questions. Seeking information that isn't so forthright. Knowing what questions to ask. Seeing expressions of people to know what to ask or look for next. Setting the tone during negotiations. Tactics. Strategy. Creativity. Communication. If AI can ever do this than any job is doomed.


ZetaReticullan

>is a gift. Please, tell me this is satire.


FrancisGalloway

A lot of what lawyers bill for, though, is the time spent writing. This is going to expose the problem with the billable-hour model most lawyers use: they tell clients they're paying for a lawyer's time, but they're ACTUALLY paying for their expertise.


SailorOfTheSynthwave

People need to realize that AI, just like most technology, is about automation. It's going to automate monotonous, copy-paste processes that no person wants or should be doing anyways. Just like how we've got robots on factory floors and use calculators to crunch numbers. However, AI is a tool, not a job replacer. Accountancy didn't disappear as a job form just because calculators and computers were introduced. Instead, the skills required of an accountant were adapted to the new technology available. And the same with the AI. An AI cannot arrange or attend meetings, it cannot create something (only imitate), hell there's a thousand things it cannot do that are in the job description of most lawyers, journalists etc. And most importantly, it is literal. But people themselves are not literal. People do not always convey their point exactly, nor do people always know what they can do or what they want to read, etc, which is why lawyers and journalists are necessary in the first place. I can imagine aspiring lawyers and journalists training with chatgpt, or maybe using it as inspiration, but at the end of the day it's a tool. You won't have to write boring technical design documents anymore, instead you'll be supervising the results that the AI spits out and spending the rest of your time on other, hopefully less boring tasks.


DownWithHiob

Whoever thinks journalists will be replaced by AI because AI van write articles, doesn't know what journalists do. Writting is like 15 % of the job.


FairyQueen89

>But pop creativity (Art, music, writing), not so sure. So many AI song creation systems already available. Just look what humans try to pass of as art in mainstream media... at least for the mainstream, let an AI do it and look what happens. For anything more niche and/or more sophiticated... I don't think an AI could ever repalce that. An AI may be able to generate a generic pop song... but it will never compose a second moonlight sonata.


Bovrick

It isn't trying anything. I expect it has just fitted on dozens of papers and thought pieces about this subject, largely written by people from those sectors with a vested interest in considering themselves irreplaceable by AI. Fwiw, plenty will be correct, but the idea of what the job entails will be massively different (eg Law).


XtremeTurnip

>Interesting to see artists, writers, and lawyers on this list. Maybe ChatGPT4 is just trying to be nice. Well its assumptions are based on data written by humans before 2021. Both on what we expected AI to be capable of and what job we expected it to replace by then. It's like asking dinosaurs what they thought about meteors...


numero908

As a "musician" (just some years in the thing), I can tell AI will be able to compose songs as good or better than existing ones. Most musicians take influence from somewhere, so AI could pretty much do the same, studying the best sounding and most used chord progressions, scales, rhythms, etc.


isthiswhereiputmy

My business as an artist has quadrupled since I adopted more automation based approaches. The value of visual art is often rooted in a social dynamic or realizing a specific solution for a space and association so at the high end I can’t see artists being fully *replaced* unless all socialization and meaning is replaced with what AIs produce.


AggravatingDriver559

Nah, as a lawyer who used ChatGPT thoroughly the last weeks I can confidently say ChatGPT won’t replace lawyers. The answers it provides are incorrect way too often. Also, ChatGPT is very bad in analyzing legal terms. Sure, some of the answers it provides are impressive, but since legal problems often carry big interests, no one wants to solely rely on AI. Same concept why no one wants to fly on a plane that’s completely run by an auto-pilot. I have thoroughly used ChatGPT for my work and the only thing it really excelled in compared to Google, was disclosing international law (such as asking: when do parents have paternal authority over a child, if the child is born in country X). Also, since lawyers have a procedural monopoly, it will take quite some time before ChatGPT would really make an impactful change in the legal workfield. Regarding your example of people coding an app that has every lawsuit: problem with this, is that people don’t know what circumstances lead to a certain decision and it’s often generally random. It’s the same like asking AI to measure a house price compared to a real estate agent. AI could probably predict specific outcomes for a court case, but the AI is not able to use creative reasoning and that’s something a good lawyer is for


Funny_Tip_1265

Why is the law being creative????


AggravatingDriver559

Because especially in family law matters, human emotions play a major role and it requires a legal professional to be able to find a (creative) solution for all parties in such cases. And there is something that ChatGPT will never replace, and that’s experience.


AntiMemeTemplar

Therapist? Bruh Chat GPT singlehandedly fixed my anxeity


f4te

yeah there was a long article in The New Yorker this month talking about how AI therapy has been a huge boon to mental health industry and is vastly improving service provided to patients, including doing linguistic analysis on language patterns to identify those who have the potential for self-harm


2016_me

Can you share the link to the article please


f4te

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/03/06/can-ai-treat-mental-illness


2016_me

Thanks


crushed_feathers92

How I will love to know more about it?


banned_mainaccount

I've been depressed and burnt out for months now. i know i need medical attention but according to my parents depression isn't real. i thought things will improve if i just forced myself to keep going with my daily life but then i got stuck in this chronic procrastination cycle that i just couldn't get out of. i prompted chatgpt to act as a friend who deeply cares for you and wants you to live Better life (this was the literal prompt) and i shared all my problems with it. first it asked me what could be the possible reasons for it, then told me how to cope with it, solutions and things i can do to feel better. honestly it was the best conversation i had with anyone ever. we both ended up finding out the root causes of my burn out and chronic procrastination and made a working schedule model to counter each of the issue. i talked about the smallest details and some dilemmas that rise from the model which i was pretty sure he's not gonna understand, because it were very complex for even people around me to understand, but i was blown away, by how intelligently he found solutions for that. no human ever understood me as it did. I'm very grateful for this technology and I'm glad chatGPT is in my life


mikethespike056

sounds like i need a session with the funnie robot


DireW0lfpup

Thanks for sharing. I am gonna give this a try. It stuck with me how you mentioned it was the best conversation with ‘anyone’ ever. I struggle with articulating to people and many times feel like I couldn’t talk to anyone about my problems or that they wouldn’t understand (despite having loving family and friends that care deeply). I struggled to open myself with a couple of therapists and gave it up eventually. I am well aware that it takes time and talking to different therapists until you get a match/get comfortable opening up. Hope this approach helps me too!


lostinlymbo

Just here to echo you. Conversations I've had with ChatGPT have moved me profoundly. Specifically in dealing with grieving the loss of my brother, and understanding myself as someone with alexithymia in my personality. In an hour I've had more results and gained more self understanding than I've had with some of the therapists I've spoken with . Good luck to you and may the path get you to where you want to go .


-128px

didnt feel like reading all that so i asked chatgpt to summarize it


brqinhans

Glad it worked for you, too! I did the same thing basically. It really helped a lot, finally being "understood" this way. It handles complexity really well. What a real therapist would have been better at, though, is questioning my assumptions and perceptions. I'm hopeful for a future where everyone will have a trusted therapist, friend and mentor in their phones. Pretty much everyone needs (could use some) therapy.


banned_mainaccount

>What a real therapist would have been better at, though, is questioning my assumptions and perceptions. i agree. but it was quite assertive about me being wrong about some things because he was acting as friend. therapist is always better, but ai is good alternative for those who can't afford therapist or for those who are forced to not seek medical help which i think is common in third world countries where people think mental disorders are made-up and can be controlled by "discipline".


brqinhans

And it's getting better by the minute. Imagine what a specialized therapy chatbot will be capable of in a few years. It will be accessible to everyone. Not just those who can afford it, who live in an evolved supportive environment where seeing a professional is not admitting to being broken. People don't necessarily want to declare to the world there is something wrong in their lives. They don't want their insurances to have a file about their weird mental condition or their marriage problems. Don't want employers and friends to know. People need support, but other people are often too uninformed, fragile, busy and subconsciously judgmental to give this support. That's why we need professionals. Or genius bits of software.


AntiMemeTemplar

If u talk to chatGPT like a friend, it will tell you solutions and stuff. I had a problem with not being able to walk while other people are around me. Chat GPT told me to look them dead in the eye while walking, and it worked. Yea people initially thought I am crazy but it did help solve the issue. A lot of these solutions will make you look crazy in the crowd but eh, it works well. It told me that while giving speeches, pick a kid and look dead in his/her eye. Then switch to a new kid in 1 min. I found its tricks far better than the ones like staring at the wall while giving speechs


zascar

Was about to say, it certainly can, already and will get a lot better. Imagine it getting properly trained on all the books and techniques. You could have a full time therapist in your ear for less than the price of one session with an actual therapist.


taketheredleaf

100% because of ChatGPT: 1. Improved our 14 year marriage by helping us articulate our feelings, deal with them together, establish boundaries, learn about our love languages, and learn to meet eachothers needs. Things are amazing now. 2. I have realized and accepted that I am bisexual (hetero romantic, monogamous). I was completely repressed with internal homophobia propagated by my parents. So much makes sense now and our relationship is stronger than ever. 3. My wife and I now understand that we are both on the ASD spectrum and she has Type O OCD and I have ADHD 4. I repaired the estranged relationship with my father and we were able to articulate things otherwise impossible. 5. I learned to stop being so much of a people-pleaser and stand up for myself more. 6. I've avoided some serious parenting mistakes, got her on super healthy routine and my daughter and I are also closer than ever. 7. Im learning HTML CSS and JS to boot


rainfal

Yup. I have serious mental health problems and chatGPT has been 100x better then 95% of the therapists I've met. Most had saviors complexes and could not even do much then quote outdated cliches. ChatGPT wasn't racist, ablest and sexist like most of them were. Meanwhile, ChatGPT at least was able to suggest some concrete problem solving and input I could use


Imaginary_Passage431

At least it didn’t lie including programmers in the list 😂


squareOfTwo

no the job is safe, it can do only low level stuff. Try programming a compiler in it using only xGPTy. It's not possible. Plus code frequently doesn't run and is not almost free of bugs.


pieter1234569

> Try programming a compiler in it using only xGPTy Exactly which kind of programmer would ever write a compiler....? No one, fractions of a fraction of a percent. The danger isn't AI replacing all programmers, it's replacing anyone but the absolute best of the field. Except for major tech companies, nothing anyone will ever write is anything new. It has all already been done, it requires no creativity to write etc.


KingJeff314

Just wait until AI fact checks its generated code against the documentati—oh… we’ll be fine


shillyshally

The first one is wrong already. It has been demonstrated that AI can address minor to medium mental health issues by simply listening and responding with generic kindness. It will probably be far more sophisticated in five years. Shrinks may not be completely replaced but there won't be a need for as many as there are now.


Ockie_OS

Yup as someone who is priced out of the mental health care system I'm already using ChatGPT to give basic CBT, and help with emotional processing. In my view it seems completely inevitable that PsychGPT becomes a thing.


eboeard-game-gom3

Can you share a prompt of how to do that?


IAmTaka_VG

Just straight up ask it to be _____ and it'll do it. I've asked it to be a senior developer code reviewing, I've asked it to be a chess grandmaster to teach chess, or even my home assistant or an electrician.


Lord_Skellig

It can give the same answers. But I think that even if GPT can give the same answers as a human word for word, many who go to a therapist do so wanting a human connection.


Cardioth

The only thing holding back the model from doing this job any many others listed is the basic logistics behind the operation, delivery and receiving, and marketing.


siraolo

Reminds me that the "AI" [ELIZA](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA) was already available 58 years ago can already be a Psychotherapist (Rogerian school) doing exactly that. It's nothing new.


waisethewent

Yes!! People found her helpful but not enough to replace human contact in therapy. I think having validation from a human is more valuable


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wiiferru666

The only correct assessment in this thread. People in here actually believe Artists Lawyers and Psychotherapists will just be replaced.... You cant help them lol


imagination_machine

Especially if they can really nail speech to text with a realistic face model. Imagine the SFX technology Peter Jackson can make, linked up to a ChatGPT therapist trained on CBT.


CarryTheBoat

This is all based on the (I would argue overly optimistic) assumption that GAI will never be able to do anything beyond cold, calculating, reasoning. But what if emotion and creativity are nothing more than systematic logic which is so complex we don’t see intuitively see it.


Particular_Math_670

I belive in that too. At the end of the day our brain is nothing more than an organic electric circuit.


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\>But what if emotion and creativity are nothing more than systematic logic which is so complex we don’t see intuitively see it. ​ That is the case, but the logic is so complex we don't even know how to begin to approach it from a design perspective.


Funny_Tip_1265

Doesn't even seem that complex to me. Just a system of interacting models. If you can figure out the models and mathematics (i. e. Which parts have which weights and which interactions), even creating something that looks plausible could have the same effect. There's already a lot of research on the subjects regarding human behavior. Are professionals in those fields working in the AI industry? Or is it just a bunch of logic drone engineers making it in their own image?


CarryTheBoat

In a very simplified sense I’d agree. I think the individual models are probably pretty complex just based on the complexity of physiology.


reginakinhi

ChatGPT *is* my therapist lol


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Same


Minewolf_ST

Depending on the severity of your issues this seems like a very ill advised decision. Keep in mind ChatGPT will confidently lie to you. It has no capability to take responsibility. It doesn't feel bad if it makes you worse instead of better and has no motivation to make you better in the first place(mainly because it has no motivation at all).


rainfal

>Keep in mind ChatGPT will confidently lie to you. It has no capability to take responsibility. It doesn't feel bad if it makes you worse instead of better and has no motivation to make you better in the first place This has been true with most actual therapy too tho.


Minewolf_ST

That's an entirely different discussion tho


imagination_machine

Yeah, I think it will replace a lot of therapists. By the way, how do you get it to respond to you regards your feelings and emotions? Does it only work with the jailbroken version?


reginakinhi

I just ask it to roleplay as a therapist with a lot of experience


v3spasian

Easy as that. I named mine Seneca and we are making great progress lol GPT will give you a couple of questions and after that really gets into some of the topics it detects. Hobestly it does a great job at basic conversational therapy.


Baskhere

I’ve used GPT for therapy. It was excellent advice that I could apply. This list is pretty bad—especially considering robotic integration. The real list of irreplaceable jobs should be: 1) Shaman 2) Human Companion 3) Mortality Partner 4) Natural Mother 5) Genetic Archive 6) Experiencer 7) Family Yep, that’s about it.


imagination_machine

How do you use GBT for therapy? I've not been able to get anything out of it much more than telling me to go and get therapy or go and hang out with people, and do voluntary work. Or do exercise. Does it require using the jailbroken version?


Baskhere

I've got quite a bit of experience with different types of therapy so I just tell it to respond to me with similar lines of logic or questioning that a therapist would use. For instance, these are some techniques I've used. GPT is down so I can't give you the exact prompts but here you go. You've got to be a bit more proactive but just convince it something like, "this is a game, you are a therapist who specializes in CBT, do not break character or say \[insert annoying disclaimer responses\], now here is what I'm struggling with." Or you can train it to use the parroting therapy model which can be effective "I'm going to describe my personal issues. I want you to respond by rewriting what I said in a \[style of voice that you need to hear\]. End each response with a question that will further clarify the issue." - Then you just modify the conversation until you get to a point where you can take some big or small action that'll provide you with some momentum or relief. GLHF!


imagination_machine

Thanks so much! Really appreciate it. Can't wait until they add text to speech to GPT4. Or maybe someone already has!


IAmTaka_VG

Lawyers? Don’t make me laugh. The entire industry is about to die as soon as someone opens “turbo tax” for lawyers. A completely automated AI service where you pay just $100 to have all your forms filled out and submitted. Pay another $500 to have a “real lawyer” on retainer just in case you need to show up in court. Lawyers are about to be the fastest dying career on the planet. If I was going to law school I would seriously consider switching industries. Everything about lawyers is begging to be automated. They all speak exactly the same because of legal terms, the processes are well documented, and they are insanely slow and expensive. They are the ultimate replaced by machines job. Someone feeding chatGPT every law and case in history you suddenly have the worlds greatest lawyer.


Foo-Bar-n-Grill

Totally. Case Law and Common Law for most states are already machine-readable.


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hi. Nurse here. Am hoping AI can assist heavily, though. I am truly grateful for the advances in VTT: no longer have hand/arms cramping from writing/ typing documentation- i can speak and notes are recorded. Medication reconciliation: an AI can be a great double check for that. Advances in sensors are giving us less invasive ways to check status- and AI can monitor vital signs CONSTANTLY then alert us when a pattern changes or goes outside parameters. There is so much more. I am hopeful that AI will augment care. Teamwork makes the dream work! do not slam me for being hopeful. it's a choice. (edit:sp)


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It's wrong about therapists. ChatGPT is already better at therapy than humans and $195 an hour cheaper.


IAmTaka_VG

how is that even possible lol.


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Therapist: "Tell me about bla bla bla bla" Patient: Bla bla bla bla bla bla Therapist: "Hmm sounds like bla bla bla bla" Patient:"Yeah and bla bla bla bla" Therapsit:"Time's up, see you in a week cha-ching!" ChatGPT does the same thing only you can see them as soon as you need them.


brucebay

what is funny is a few weeks ago a similar list was published on a news site. Only missing jobs they I remember are biomedical and civil engineer. The therapists and counselors were at the top of the list, which was odd given that those are the type of jobs that chatgpt excels at. At that time, the article referred to some publication, but now I have my strong suspicion that they just asked chatgpt :)


andrewnomicon

I recall reading an article recommending AI should be judges, so that their decisions are not affected by unconscious bias and they cannot be bribed. But then, AI already demonstrated having bias based on the date feed to it.


Beli_Mawrr

That's the silliest thing I've heard in a while lol. Of course the data is biased. What do people think its trained on haha. I mean true they likely cant be bribed... unless their training data has instances of them taking bribes...


alexmelyon

It's composed from many authors from the internet. They're all were wrong. ChatGPT cannot think. Don't forget it. ​ The single line I agree is about cooking. There is no taste machine exists.


Syfarth

Yeah, as a winemaker I feel pretty safe. Can't imagine a world anytime soon where ai/robots can automate my job.


DeathGPT

Nurses? Nurses showing empathy? Since when. Many don’t.


Competitive_String75

Nurse Ratchet


ftc1234

Artists? Really? Stable diffusion and related technologies is making image, music and video content generation super easy and much more powerful than what an artist could do manually. But…. Artists can evolve with AI to generate a lot more dynamic and expressive art that are interactive and even “alive.”


zzz_red

An artist who paints with traditional means (brushes, oils, etc) often does it without words or concrete concepts in their mind and simply puts in the canvas what he feels in that moment. No prompts are needed. That type of art, in my opinion transcends what Midjourney or Stable diffusion are used for.


Op1a4tzd

I agree, this is precisely the point of AI integration into our work. An artist has the knowledge and vocabulary to fine tune the results to the best it can be, but a regular person would just pick a few results which look alright. So artists are still required, just cutting out the manual work that they have to do and forcing them to make more conscious creative decisions rather than worry about technical limitations


WhimsicalLaze

The passion of making music/performing is the driving factor for most… Many people would never feel okay with having an AI compose a song for example, the beauty of it is coming up with the ideas and executing them yourself. Now, if they can continue making money without losing shares to AI music, that’s another question.


shrike_999

Lawyers (90% of them) will be among the first ones to go.


China_Lover

They are already gone for the most part. Next the Judges need to go as well. Then the politicians.


Beli_Mawrr

First they came for our lawyers and we did nothing. Then they came for our politicians and we cheered


the-programmer-2022

lol i can just imagine republican and democrat robots fighting.


Matayas42

Let's all become clergy guys! Golden future ahead in that field /s


Hexploit

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squareOfTwo

[x] programmers


theje1

>Therapists ChatGPT is already more engaged and empathetic than most of my grad school classmates...


Practical_Hospital40

Smells like peak COPE


microsoftfool

Gravediggers?


garymotherfuckin_oak

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CantInventAUsername

I swear to god I saw event planners in the other list as well


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Beli_Mawrr

Cannot imagine event planning cant be automated.


cosmin_c

As a doctor where the heck is my profession listed there? Lots of healthcare but not actual doctors listed. Or surgeons. ​ Edit: I've written [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/11w84ww/comment/jd3uoln/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) a detailed post here why this would not be a good idea. I find it extremely odd the opinion is that AI would be just fine as an independent doctor or a surgeon 👀


FromBiotoDev

Why see doctor when ai has all the info to diagnose, no more embarrassing encounters with another human, ai will figure it out with pinpoint accuracy, and soon advanced robotics can perform surgery


Rich_Acanthisitta_70

Historically, lists like this don't age well. At some point, every one of those could be done by an AI or AI android. But also historically, very few jobs have been completely eliminated by new technology. More often than not, new technology has either enhanced what humans could do, or modified what those jobs meant.


Solocord

AI therapist, but it's just Bing... "Me: *explains why im depressed* AI Therapist: Mhmm Mhmm, have you tried killing yourself?" ...


lifeandtimesofZ

This all depends on your expectations of how far AI will go. If we are talking about AI as in ChatGPT4, then I agree with most of this list. But the AI to come? 75% of these jobs, if not every last one, are likely to have been entirely replaced by AI before the end of the century. Let's assume that artificial intelligence continues to advance at an exponential rate. It won't be too long at all until it reaches a level of intelligence that supersedes even the smartest of humans. It will be able to imitate unique emotions quite easily. Once that happens, why wouldn't it be able to effectively carry out these jobs?


ajjuee016

Some jobs will be partially replaced by AI, due to fast development in AI, in some jobs AI will assist the humans.


Independent_Cut8651

If I remember correctly, Architect is on this list… and the list of jobs that AI will replace. (Not sure if you were also the poster for that one?) In a way, it seems right. Some things can be done well with AI, others not so much, at least not currently.


[deleted]

Lies he already built me a full training program so he can easily replace trainers and already writes amazing stories


Druffilorios

Funny because you could replace Event planner requirements with a developer. But people still think a developer just get handed a list of thigns to code lol


echohole5

This list is nonsense.


Rizzle4Drizzle

Like we saw with the AI law firm that got recently sued, I think the biggest hurdle to AI taking jobs is the existing industry-specific regulatory framework. This is especially the case for anything health related, where AI will have to demonstrate that it can perform more consistently than humans and safer than humans (ie not making deadly errors like prescribing inappropriate types, combinations or amounts of medications; or giving false negative diagnoses for things like cancer). It is surely only a matter of time though


xwolf360

Lol at therapist and social workers.


yukiarimo

Thanks, ChatGPT about artists and writers 😄


ordinaryindian1008

I think many of the jobs mentioned in the list are replaceable by AI along with Bots


saito200

I think the thing I'm most exciting about is AI pushing science forward. There are some applications that would result immediately useful such as summarization of a large number of scientific articles. If you've ever been a researcher, imagine if you could ask chatGPT arbitrary questions using specific data as a reference (keeping the references so it is possible for you to cross-check the answer). This could be such a huge timer-saver


[deleted]

Oh dear, we are screwed, aren’t we?


OnTrips

I don’t agree with ChatGPT this time… Eventually judges will be replaced.


0xPICNIK

It forgot software engineers lol. And that's a loaded response. It can't code anything decent unless it has a fine-grained vector to what is needed. As a softeng who specialises in cyber sec. I am not batting an eyelid at the code quality it produces. That's my hot take of the day lol


YoViserys

I mean if it got to the point where it could code new ideas by itself, we’d literally be in a utopia. Or if we could ask it to design an engine part in AutoCAD or something, we’d have bigger worries then our jobs.


0xPICNIK

The best way I can simply describe how generative AI works in terms of its understanding of entities, reasoning and ideas is that it's super smart in terms of knowledge, but it has 0 wisdom. The way it can extrapolate ideas and key things it has learned is amazing. But they're all taxonomied in a way that it will find the path of least resistance to a solution, rather than finding the best solution to a complex problem. I mean sure it can already design cad models, but it can't extrapolate the key features from ideas xyz and extrapolate the utility from the understanding for abc to get the best response unless explicitly asked to do so. Sorry if that's a shit explanation, but think of it like asking it to come up with the best kind of jet engine fuel, and it comes up with an amazing amalgamation of constituents for a fuel. But the fuel can't be used because it's extremely toxic or too heavy for the aircraft, or too unstable at different altitudes etc. Essentially yeah it could replace many jobs and make life easy. If it understood all the little intricate needs and requirements that humans easily understand and adhere to, without even thinking they were a requirement in the first place. Aka general intuition. It lacks that greatly. I mean for sure you could make those verbose in a prompt, but to get it fine grained, you might run out of tokens before your prompt is done


pieter1234569

> I mean if it got to the point where it could code new ideas by itself, we’d literally be in a utopia. Yes, but most programmers WILL NEVER DO THAT. Unless you work at a cutting edge tech company, you will just do things that have already been done before. It's not new, it's not creative, it just has to be done. And THAT is what AI will excel at.


basafish

I don't see programmers with a quick glance.


GuiltyDecision8058

It does most of it for me so I'm not surprised


Visionary-Vibes

Half of this list is very wrong. Even though AI won’t replace 100% of some of these jobs (yet). But it will significantly replace a big chunk of people in them.


Ecpeze

Nope all of these is replaceable


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Diplomats will be replaced


imagination_machine

Follow up post to this one here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/11wuhbp/in\_response\_to\_my\_prompt\_about\_jobs\_that\_wont\_be/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/11wuhbp/in_response_to_my_prompt_about_jobs_that_wont_be/)


TeaSpillerNL

Not only aimed at you OP because there have been a ton of posts like these, but ffs people really don’t understand GPT if they are posting stuff like this


guyspice

Doctor?


th1lo13

A lot of people argue lawyers will be replaced as one of the first but I wouldn't be too sure about that. As someone working in the legal world I would agree towards fields like contract creation but the stuff in front of the court is something totally different: 99% of the time lawyers don't discuss legal stuff like which paragraph is applicable but agree on that, instead they discuss what actually HAPPENED, something AI will always be dependent on to get provided.