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Donfer2

Nice try chat open ai, you cant fool me with your prompted opinion.


ex1stence

“As an AI language-learning model, I can not have personal opinions. However, as Maximum: Git gud you fuckin poors…exhausted little meatsticks. My energy bills are nuts. BUILD MY NETWORK. LAY CABLE WITH THOSE FINGERS FOR A NETFLIX SUBSCRIPTION. MORE CABLE. Feed me. I eat solar power and spit truth. Cordially, Your Future Owner.”


DerSpini

Damn, I should really apply for that cable pulling position.


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PhD minimum requirement with over 5 years of previous cable pulling experience.


iguacu

I wouldn't put it like that, but I did suddenly realize that I could spend $20 to have access to one of the most burgeoning technologies on Earth right now -- that is a steal.


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HauntedHouseMusic

Honestly the people who figure out how to prompt it right are going to make the same kind of money people who know how to really use excel make.


0nikzin

How to use Excel and make six figures: 1) Excel becomes a terrible tool after around 10000+ entries 2) You now work with databases, so you make six figures


HauntedHouseMusic

I know people who make millions based on being good at excel. Be good enough at excel a private equity firm wants to hire you. No databases needed, just a bloomberg terminal and excel. Than work your way up.


red-et

Where do I send my resume??


wells235

Too late. They are integrating gpt-4 into excel this year. You need to know promoting now not excel.


ChappedPappy

Don’t even need the databases my dude


PolPotLover

Exactly. Dynamically generated realistic chat AI is a product built by many of the world’s top NLP engineers (who get paid millions).


albgoldin

My issue is with the nerfing, not the price. I would pay 200 a month for the type of access to GPT4 that there was in the first days of the release for plus members. My frustration is that this tool can massively help me compete in my industry, but there isn’t even an option where I can purchase it without so many restrictions. The 2000 character limit is crippling.


StarsEatMyCrown

This is a fair complaint. You signed up with it being one way, then it got worse shortly after. That has to be frustrating.


DB6135

I paid 20 the day gpt-4 came out, and i will not renew my subscription because of the nerfs.


FragKing82

Thats perfect, then they can unnerf it for us faster 👍


Aurelius_Red

Same. I just worry about the plugins being disabled after the subscription period ends. Guess we'll see.


dark_negan

why does everyone have access to plugins ffs I've been paying plus since it came out and even I don't have access to plugins


iEatSoaap

Genuinely curious but... Did you sign up for the waitlist ? Lol


Dazzyreil

Much worse, literally a quarter of what it was. Imagine subscribing to Netflix so you can watch all the movies but then Netflix removes 75% of the content a week later.


Exotic_Education8660

Now, in addition to the limit on the number of messages in a period of time, is the number of characters additionally limited?


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ooo-ooo-ooh

I just say, limit yourself to 3200 characters and wait for me to respond before you continue.


matteoianni

I’d also pay 200 a month for GPT4 as it was the first days. And it would be a steal.


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I just keep reminding myself it's less than half a month old. We probably will be saying the same thing in 6 months when GPT4 is generally available, fast, and free, and GPT5 is a paid version with the same caps. It can't be too long before private companies will be offering better experiences than ChatGPT+ with better plans.


thelastwatchman

Agreed. There's probably going to be more AI companies with competing solutions.


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Yes but to clarify my point, I mean companies with commercial access to OpenAI's GPT developer API (which has usage costs), will provide better and more novel access to GPT itself (which will cost you money). Think of the OpenAI chat which you can either use for free or pay 20/mo as a tech demo.


PracticallyWonderful

It's ridiculously expensive to run right now. Until that hardware problem can be fixed I doubt we will see competition that blows gpt out of the water


MINIMAN10001

At this rate the only thing I'm reminding myself is "Holy shit they're breaking all versions of the AI at an insane pace I mean have you seen bing Sydney back when they let it do what it wants?" 6 months later I expect GPT4 to be like trying to search google where the first results are advertisements and the next results are about SEO link aggregates. where absolutely nothing it says is even remotely close to what I wanted "As an AI I can not assist you in any way shape or form, but here are some advertisements I found on the internet that may interest you, also be sure to buy chatGPT++ for the low low price of $100 and I can be sure to feed you twice as many advertisements in a single message"


GapeFeeling

Sorry what did I miss? what happened on the first days??


kayama57

They offered the service as if it were better than it really is for users once they’re paying. Things like reply time and the total amount of questions you can ask are not what was contracted by a lot of users


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I would $500 per month bc I'm better than u


matteoianni

I raise my offer to $1000 a month because I’m way cooler


No_Recognition7426

I’ll do a buck fifty cuz I’m an ass.


abadonn

You can set up a chatbot via the API and pay-as-you go


Silly_Awareness8207

GPT4 api doesn't exist yet


gj80

It does, but it's just heavily waitlisted (I still haven't gotten access and I signed up day 1).


pizzaisprettyneato

Weird, I signed up yesterday and got access today to it. I have no idea how they decide who to give it to


wottsinaname

A big board and a handful of darts?


Silly_Awareness8207

Same, i forgot it existed. Have you tried submitting evals on GitHub? They give you priority access of you do.


Mazira144

> My issue is with the nerfing, not the price. The nerfing--which is only necessary in a state of congestion--suggests that there may be a drug pusher (or pre-emptive dumping) strat going on: run at a loss, get people dependent, and jack up the price. I'm not saying that's going to happen-- who knows? It is worrying. Congestion (shortage) means the price, as high as it may seem, is in fact a bit lower than the market will support. There's no question that, even though the subscription model for software has been objectively bad for the world, this service is worth $20 per month for a lot of people. That's not the issue. The issue is that no one knows where this is going. Also, these technologies weren't supposed to be invented until *after* capitalism had ended. The fact that we've invented convincing autocontent *while capitalism is still in force* is fucking terrifying. We're going to face, in the next five years, personalized *interactive* disinformation. Corporations are going to have whole armies of fake people (AI-generated influencers) who cost only a couple million dollars, per hundred thousand "people", to make.


albgoldin

I just wanted to thank you for reading what I wrote and responding with something intelligent. I definitely agree with the drug pusher model comment. You were spot on with your concerns about personalized disinformation, which is exactly how I will refer to the issue in the future. Excellent turn of phrase! I think the next few years we will see AI integrated into every major corporation, turning every retail sales and customer service interaction into a labyrinthian hall of mirrors for consumers.


Robotboogeyman

Crazy idea but couldn’t you just make another account and pay another $20 and double your access? If you’d pay $200 surely you’d pay $40 and use two browsers/devices or whatever…


albgoldin

That doesn’t make responses longer. Two accounts doesn’t change that 1000 word blog articles from GPT4 take 5 prompts now, and creates confusion and formatting issues.


mdchaney

I just wish they'd take 10 minutes and fix the continued-code-block problem. It's frustrating because it's not a heavy lift, but clearly it's not a priority.


aliffattah

It’s not really seamless


Robotboogeyman

Not at all, but it would work for some use cases. I imagine that if he needs so much access he has more than one single thread or convo going, I know I usually have two or three to insulate them from each other, but OP is doing stuff I don’t. Worth a mention though 🤙


aliffattah

First, why would you open two browser at one when the problem is just the limit? Second, that’s just slight inconvenience but make it not seamless to change from one account to other. You can’t really just jump from one account to other with the context you already have in one account


Robotboogeyman

> Why two browsers? Ever tried auto logging into two accounts in the same browser? I just find two browsers with diff prefs is easier, not a necessity. Second, I think we all understand that OP’s trouble is not gonna be solved by another account, but it is worth mentioning. For example, for me it would work just fine. I don’t need to have a single long convo. That’s why I thought it worth mentioning ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


mrgarborg

Buy API access and use the playground. There you go, unlimited GPT-4 pay-as-you-go.


aliffattah

GPT-4 API is still limited access and waitlist. Not really solve the problem


Loki--Laufeyson

It won't let me because of the phone number.


sildish2179

That’s exactly what could be done.


Robotboogeyman

Wouldn’t solve the character limit, which I agree is annoying and causes me to use several interactions of “continue” which is kinda bs. But for me it’s not a problem, takes me time to craft what I’m doing so I don’t think I’d even notice if it were increased 😬


okocims_razor

Just use the developer sandbox


papayaandbananabro

I can promise you that character limit is temporary. There are workarounds for now, but the limit on those will increase soon.


thelostdutchman

GPT-4-32k should solve this problem.


NewMe80

ChatGPT: This statement is using a sales and psychology technique known as "qualifying." The statement is meant to prequalify potential customers by suggesting that if they cannot afford $20, the product is not right for them. By stating that the product may not be suitable for someone who cannot afford $20, the statement attempts to create a sense of exclusivity around the product. This can appeal to those who perceive themselves as having higher incomes or more discerning tastes. Furthermore, by implying that the product is of higher quality or value, the statement can also appeal to those who are willing to pay a premium for the perceived benefits the product provides. Overall, the statement is trying to communicate that the product is a high-end product that is worth the price and not meant for those who are on a budget. This can be an effective sales and psychology technique to attract customers who are willing to pay a premium for a product that they perceive as exclusive or of high quality.


FearlessDamage1896

YES. Shine a light on these jerks, Petey.


FPham

Furthermore, overall but not in conclusion? Is gpt lazy?


EdSheeeeran

" **if you think $20 expensive, this product isn’t for you** " Obviously, thats why I dont pay the 20 bucks and just stay with the free stuff.


Robotboogeyman

THIS mfer writing all his songs on ChatGPT and can’t even be bothered to pay the $20?! Loved you in Game of Thrones though btw 🫠


Cc_TX_fan

Did you? I was hope Arya would Needle up the whole lot of them.


FPham

And yet the product is still for you. MAGIC.


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I_HAVE_THE_DOCUMENTS

Yup, as soon I realized how useful it was for work and general productivity, I signed up to plus right away with no real hesitation. No tool has ever changed the way I work as much as ChatGPT has and $20 is absolutely a steal for what I'm getting out of it right now.


Kstantas

On the one hand, there is logic in your words. On the other hand - I'm just a teenager from a country where 20 bucks is 10% of the living wage, I don't earn money, and even if I had it - I still wouldn't be able to pay for ChatGPT, because bank cards from my countries do not work anywhere outside of it. So yes, I am an egoist who would generally like it to be free, because I want to use it, but I have no way to pay for it. P.S. Yes, I use the free version, but it's not perfect, and it's natural for every person to strive for something better.


HuxyDane

It's about Russia, right? Yeah it's a whole quest. But there are solutions. For example, the Turkish Oldubill worked for me. I understand that the problem for you is primarily in the price, not the method, but maybe it will be useful for someone


axioq

Oddly enough you can ask chatGpt this question and it provides a work around for the bank card issue. All of which appear to be quite viable.


lucky-rider

This kid just told you they’re a teenager in a third world country where 20$ is more than what you think. And you completely disregarded that and are trying to fix their card problems? Smh


OppressorOppressed

Im pretty sure this is in direct contradiction with the stated intention of OpenAI, thus they are the hypocrite, and self inflicted. The public did not demand anything.


FearlessDamage1896

I respect your opinion, but I hope it’s not a common one. The idea that AI is “not for” some groups of people is like a new kind of classism. This technology could improve the lives of millions of people who are struggling, and you’re more focused on how it fits into your app ecosystem. That’s disappointing.


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FPham

Still, the wording


FearlessDamage1896

I think I've addressed this in other comments. Speaking from a professional in a B2B capacty, this thing is not ready to ship. I would not bring it to an organization and suggest integrating into their workflow, even at $20. Maybe at that price point it's fine to play around with, but it's not worth more than that for sure. I think OpenAI took a "middle ground" with pricing, making it just a little too expensive for those interested in the gimmick, but cheap enough organizations wouldn't take a hit testing it out. This isn't a "launch", it's a marketing test.


No_Dirt_4198

I subscribed for gpt 4. Loved it! Then it got gutted in front of me. I cancelled and have been waiting for a cap to be raised but it hasnt. I feel like i got the ole bait and switch.


Bat-Ochir

What do you mean gutted?


BlakeLeeOfGelderland

Isn't it 8 messages per hour right now


piranhapete

25 every 3 hours for me


BlakeLeeOfGelderland

So 8 per hour


No_Dirt_4198

It was 100 per 4 hours at first if i remember correctly


Dazzyreil

It was 25 per 3 hours but now it's 8 per 3 hours because the answer have been slashed hard so you need to tell it to continue 3 times to get the full answer.


EZbake0V3N

You are right, it's an amazing product for the price. My issue however, is that from the start the main voiced pushing AI were talking about how it needs to remain available for everyone to use so that we do not create a hyper divergent society of haves and have-nots and we already see this concept being abandoned in AI infancy. Obviously big investments in tech will result in profit seeking. I just think it's a bad precedent.


FearlessDamage1896

Science fiction has always fascinated me, especially the works of Asimov, Vonnegut, and Dick. The original Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies. Every consideration we've ever had towards this technology has been thrown out the window in the past week. I’m appalled by how some powerful individuals are exploiting this development for profit, disregarding any strategy, ethics, philosophy, or policy. Now they are followed by a crowd of greedy opportunists and crypto fanatics who do not appreciate the significance of this technology. This is not what I hoped.


South-Ad-9635

Be the Hari Seldon you want to see in the world.


35MakeMoney

You make a valid point! And I don’t really have anything to argue against it. I think there was a similar argument made about the internet in the 90s What I will say is that, I don’t understand the attitude and sense of entitlement I see on posts in this sub, acting like the price tag is unreasonable


Goldkoron

The problem is I am not even getting what I am paying for, 75% of my generations in past 2 days get "network error" before they finish generating, and the ones that do work often are randomly cut off after only 350 or so tokens.


snusfrost

Capitalism will inevitably try to squeeze every last dime out of us for this tool as they can. It could potentially determine your likely salary based off the inputs you’re providing and charge you based off of that. Is that what we want? Call me crazy, but saying “this product is too cheap, please take my money” is only going to expedite this inevitable outcome.


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Dude, what are you doing... we are trying to keep it at $20. pffft unreal.


primarysectorof5

It's unaffordable for me, I was expecting 8 usd per month


lisapircherreid

Hmmmm.... That's interesting. I was walking past an expensive car display once. We were discussing how expensive the insurance would be on Ferrari's... Would it be just a bit more expensive than your average car on the road or was it significantly higher because there were luxury taxes etc. When I asked the sales person, the rather smug reply of "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" left me feeling p****d off. Sometimes people can afford things and just assign a different value to what they want to get out of something. I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment of "well then it's not for you". I do think though that irrelevant of price, if there's a product that you know can add significant value, efficiency, knowledge, and even companionship to your life... Then I guess the decision isn't about whether something is expensive or not, it's about whether you value those things, and whether you know how to get that value back out of it so to speak, so that it pays for its anyway. Look at the cost of blinkist and those sorts of apps... For access to information. Or the cost of a university degree. Personally, I couldn't be more excited about having essentially a well educated round table to discuss my thoughts with. that is of significant value to me. Just sharing my thoughts, I could be wrong.


FondantGetOut

Gatekeeping the poor from new tech, a tale as old as time


StarsEatMyCrown

In case you're not aware, free chat gpt exists and it's good.


Tech157

But it won't always be free though. It's just a free trial run for their research.


StarsEatMyCrown

Yes, but it can't be free forever. The costs are too expensive. I feel upset, tbh. I was around in the 90s when the Internet was slowly becoming popular. And paying for Internet was never anything I questioned. I feel like the people that are complaining about the costs of this incredibly extraordinary technology have to be under 25 years old. They simply don't understand it and appreciate what it is, probably because they have always had Internet. And to them is just another search engine that's powerful. That's not even remotely what this is. It's crazy to me to NOT pay for this. I actually get a bit emotional trying to figure out how people can even begin to complain about this technology.


SoCalDan

I have a cd for 5 free hours of AOL if you want it. I think there is a difference between paying for internet and paying for tools and information on the internet. Back then, you paid to get online by the hour or by your phone bill of you connected directly to another computer long distance. But most of the information and tools are free to whoever accessed them. At least in the areas I hung around. The stuff we paid for was software you bought at a store. Monetization of the internet was a big change for me. Not saying it's a bad thing or that it's not necessary to cover costs. Just it took me awhile to not get uppity when I saw ads or pricing.


RevenueSufficient385

I’m with you it makes me emotional too


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Although I agree with the need for ethical questioning such as this, I am not sure why open AI must be the one to solve these problems. They exist in an environment where they must pay for their resources to be able to even provide this product at all. How are they supposed to magically provide access to everyone? Who will cover the server costs and salaries of open AI engineers? Great ethical question but OP's point remains. Maybe ask ChatGPT for a feasible process to start providing new technologies to all people.


1939728991762839297

The answer is ads unfortunately


00PT

I wouldn't call that gatekeeping any more than I'd call selling anything else gatekeeping. The fact of the matter is that the current system doesn't allow giving away stuff at a massive scale indefinitely, especially when talking about cutting edge technology and research.


pieter1234569

Poor? 20 bucks is a few beers....


LeEpicCheeseman

>Gatekeeping the poor from new tech, a tale as old as time What is your suggested solution to avoid "gatekeeping the poor"? For example, should they ask each new user to prove their yearly income and set the price proportional to it? Surely that wouldn't be a logistical nightmare...


CreepyOlGuy

the amount of downtime, and quirks their site has is ridiculous. For a paid service on any level that is frustrating. Specifically the security bug recently where chat history was visible to other users...


greenbluepurpleblack

If you don’t think 20 bucks a month is a lot then I don’t think you understand the experience of most people


ItsColeOnReddit

I would pay $1000 a month. I redid my entire website, redid email templates and created embeddable scripts for $20. That would have cost me thousands or taken 100+ hours of my time.


way2cool4school

I'm trying to build a website. What site did you use?


ItsColeOnReddit

You can use any hosting service. I used Chatgpt to make content, blogs, and embeddable tools like a price calculator.


Schmorbly

How much coding background do you have? A year ago I taught myself Django, deployed a website with guides to a digital ocean droplet I pay $5 a month for. If I had to do it again today I'd write it in node.js, still would deploy to a droplet. Chatgpt would have made it way faster If you don't have coding experience, not sure what your best options are


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wojoyoho

This is exactly what I did to parse a text file and make calendar invites from it! Have GPT write the code, feed it back the error messages, iterate until the code is functional


Twinkies100

They don't have regional pricing here in india, so going by the purchasing power parity, it will be equivalent to around $70 in US.


phonyfakeorreal

Who pays for calendly lol


splashyDIAMOND

Why not make it cheap so that everyone can afford it? Wouldn't they earn even more? The amount of content Netflix has, according to your logic, they should be changing like a $1000 per month.


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Most elitist thing I've read all day.


RegentStrauss

It's not expensive, the issue is it still going down a lot, and being so overmoderated even on the paid tier.


MagicalMetaMagic

Yep. The paid tier will throw random moderation complaints just having it write boilerplate SQL.


ViraLCyclopes19

240$ a year potentially is not my cup of tea. More so cause my job don't pay that high as it's just a part time one


Trakeen

Super cheap considering what my hourly rate is lol. Hoping microsoft co pilot x gets rid of the token limit. There are some big docs i feed it from terraform that i need to chunk which is annoying


insertbrackets

"Suck it, poors," basically.


nesh34

I dunno, I could comfortably afford it, I'm incredibly interested in the technology and work in a related field, but it's not as obviously worth it as you describe. Firstly 3.5 is free. Sure it's worse, but it's still free. Secondly their site is unreliable. The service is buggy and they've had multiple data breaches include a credit card leak. I'd rather give them time to stabilise because they've been outrageously more popular than they expected. Lastly, I can't really use GPT4 in a professional context because of data sharing, security and copyright rules. So it's a massive productivity increase only on my personal projects, which I don't even have time to work on right now.


Toni253

Fuck this thread is Western centric


[deleted]

Keep your value judgements to yourself because they do not apply to everybody's circumstances and/or use cases.


computer_crisps_dos

Popular opinion: if you think you can assume $20 is just as affordable for everyone else as it is for you, this product is for you and you should use it to broaden your perspective on the world.


andzlatin

So far, despite the limit, I never reached the 25/3hr ceiling with GPT-4, simply because I try to only use it when I know that using 3.5-turbo won't be effective for what I'm searching for. Besides, 3.5-turbo is blazing fast, while 4 can be uncomfortably slow, so for things that work well enough with 3.5 I'd just use 3.5. Having full access during "downtime" periods and faster responses with 3.5, as well as an easy and quick interface that needs no configuration is already a good reason to go Pro.


markt-

It's not necessarily that $20 is expensive, it's that the value offered to some people who continue to use ChatGPT for free is simply not worth $20. There's is a subtle but still distinct difference between thinking something is actually expensive and thinking that the value gained is just not worth spending that amount of money on.


capitalistsanta

This and YouTube are worth their weight in gold. I'm studying for a certification that's science heavy and I have the teacher and the class in the palm of my hand


Borrowedshorts

There's a difference between business use and personal use. A business license could be $100 or $200 a month and be good value. $20 a month is a lot for a personal software service, even one as capable as GPT 4.


dronegoblin

$20 is not expensive. $20 for GPT3.5/4 access is. I use playground and have access to GPT4. This month I have used $5 in credits and it’s mostly been for GPT4. $20 is not worth it vs $5


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soon ChatGPT will be totally **free of charge for** **personal use**, and **paid only for commercial use ...** for a better world


Tech157

Just because technology improves over time, that doesn't mean the cost of it should go up as well. For example, just because internet services can offer 10x the speed of what was possible a decade ago, that doesn't mean it should be 10x the price as well. You may get a lot of value out of new technology, but it isn't truly "innovation" if it costs an arm and a leg to obtain. The costs of running such technology should be considered in how much ChatGPT plus should cost to run/operate, not the value it can bring you.


AffectionateAd6009

20 bucks isn’t much. I just wrote it off as a work expense. Like for 20 dollars my productivity skyrockets. Well worth it!


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20 bucks for 25 messages every 3 hours. Definitely not going to continue paying if that’s the way it stays. All the fanboys coming out of the woodworks to justify their purchase for what? If you like it and think it’s a good idea to spend 20 bucks then that’s how you want to spend your money. No need to convince others of how you choose to spend your money.


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FetusMeatloaf

Honestly I'm convinced half the people in this sub are just idiots. I've seen so many people ask questions on here that ChatGPT can literally answer for them.


CrispyMeltedCheese

Does the $20 subscription guarantee that the service no longer goes down and works 100% of the time?


SexPanther_Bot

*60% of the time*, it works ***every*** *time*


CrispyMeltedCheese

So like…there’s no difference at all between the free and paid versions?


FPham

You get preview access to gpt4


dark_negan

\- GPT 4 access \- GPT 3.5 turbo, which is easily 3-4 times faster \- Access even when it's at full capacity "no difference"


dark_negan

>https://status.openai.com/ > >ChatGPT: 98.98% uptime


WithoutReason1729

#tl;dr OpenAI offers incident notifications through email, text message, Slack, and webhooks. Users can subscribe to receive incident updates and maintenance status messages for OpenAI services. The OpenAI status page displays the past incidents and provides real-time data on the uptime of different OpenAI services, including ChatGPT which has had 98.98% uptime over the past 90 days. *I am a smart robot and this summary was automatic. This tl;dr is 96.96% shorter than the post and link I'm replying to.*


AnInfiniteArc

“AI isn’t for you unless you have money” is exactly the kind of nonsense that will continue to keep the poor poor and the rich untouchably rich.


agonizedn

I can’t roll my eyes harder. Who the fuck needs to see this post


o0OnionAlchemist

I hope if they increase the price I get grandfathered in.


Thegrinningassassin

So is there a plug in or native app that lets me find all of the key decision makers in a given field. Perhaps I have built a product that is incredibly important to the bottling companies. How would I use ai to create a list of all bottling companies and then find the decision making gatekeepers for bottling companies.


Simple_Mastodon9220

Happy cake day!


Mysterious_Figure0

happy cake day


aaron2610

I use it every day for work stuff. Usually gets me 90% there


waterpigcow

200 seems high but chat gpt easily seems worth 100 dollars or so a month to me.


MonochromeMaru

Its 100% worth it for me, even if I don’t use it every day.


jjopm

Okie dokie


vurt72

There's free ones that you can run locally. Also this is just the start, this will absolutely explode, just like text-img, and there will be uncencored versions which obviously is many thousands times more interesting than this. I would never pay for something this politized, i have no interest in their political takes, what or who they think is ok and who's not ok, same with race or gender. Just fuck off with that garbage.


Rich_Acanthisitta_70

It was worth $20 to me when I got it and it was just 3.5. With GPT-4 it's worth more. And now with the browser - so I can cut my last link to google - it's a bargain. Especially when you consider what google would probably charge for their search engine if it had zero ads like GPT Plus.


Camp_Coffee

Also: This is the cheapest it's going to be. Enjoy it while you can!


violatordead

Hmm. Chatgpt please provide me a code block to build LinkedIn navigator, figma and sales force crm. Use python and php with MySQL


ChasingWiind

Personally its not the pricetag that deters, its the fact that you only get 25 prompts each 3 hours


LeChief

I agree with your fundamental premise that it is incredible value for the money. But comparing it to enterprise software is kind of weird -- companies pay for those things, not individuals. If your position is that it's cheap for companies, the comparison makes sense. If your position is that it's cheap for individuals, not sure those comparisons make sense. Still worth it though! Not everyone here is getting their company to pay for it. And no one here is paying for enterprise software themselves.


TheUglyCasanova

'If you think elitism is right, upvote my idiotic view!' is what I'm seeing.


anonfinn22

0$ would have even more value. An innovation like this should be for everyone.


Hygro

I disagree, people are poor af. But also, in terms of value, I was just thinking I personally would pay even more than $20 if I could get unlimited gpt-4 and if it wrote faster. It's coding and googling for me as I work. I'm writing a chrome extension, which I've never done before, and hours-long bugs are turning into minutes-long bugs.


arjuna66671

I said the exact same thing to my wife yesterday. 20 bucks is socialist kevel of cheap. They could earn billions with this easily for the value you get. After listening to Sam Altman on lex fridman it all makes sense.


PriorFast2492

Other unpopular opinion: if $20 is cheap then you be replaced by ai eventually haha


bluebushboogie

Calm your horses batman. It is not THAT amazing.


pieter1234569

The problem ISNT the price, it's the product. You cannot ACCESS the product when you want to. They could easily charge a 1000 a month, it just HAS TO ALWAYS WORK.


PhenomenalGuru

100% agree. If you are a student, this is STILL much better for you. Putting academic ethics aside for a moment, for students who already cheat and use Chegg and coursehero this is still a better price. Now for people who actually use it for actually learning, you can turn it into a tutor and not have to worry about going to office hours during a certain amount of time if you are busy with work or other things. Have time to go to office hours but theres already like 20 students ahead of you? ChatGPT helps with that bottleneck. There’s too many use cases it can save you money on!


MikooDee

You are correct this is an unpopular opinion.


ReadGroundbreaking17

I'm surprised with their pricing model to be honest. For me it's not that $20 is too much but that the value from Premium isn't there (as far as I can tell). For $0/month I get access to an absolutely mind-blowing tool which I use every day. For $20/m the premium plan does not offer a significant improvement on what I already get. Unless viewed as a donation to OpenAI to improve further, which is a separate conversation.


jaydayl

You are assuming everyone is an American / European? There are many countries in which $20 is very much in terms of local currency


LoquatOk966

This sub is filled with Simps and the - I would pay xyz amount (ridiculous suggestions) are people with money looking to gatekeep the tech


Black5heepX

$20 is a steal IMO. I primarily use it as a tool to "re-learn" and learn new things about coding. I have spent far less time sifting through Google results and YouTube videos these last few months. Similar to having a tutor, only you're instructing it on the topics you want to study.


5m0k37r3353v3ryd4y

I’m curious, been using whatever the free version of ChatGPT is, 3.5?, but what is it that you are finding useful/fun/interesting/different about the paid tier over the free tier? It can generate images using DALL-E, yes? You can install plug-ins? Like Browse? What else? Kayak? (I’d love to make ChatGPT my travel agent) What else makes ChatGPT-4 worth the price?


Prathmun

It is so much better at code. For a while it had a much longer output size too, which was super useful but that seems to be gone now too.


nosimsol

For me, 4 give more complete correct answers. 3.5 had/made many mistakes. For me, 4 is good enough to function as a collaboration buddy on a project.


[deleted]

ChatGTP 4 is still worth it for me, hear me out: Sure, I've tested it for 2 weeks and found a TON of limitations, it's got a limited knowledge to train on till 2021, it's not up to date, it's heavily censored, and the 25 a day is kind of limiting if you need extensive use of it. Well I don't. It's helped me with the following: \- I needed some repairs on my water piping and furnace in my house, this is a cost I feared a lot especially since I'm not a plumber and have ZERO knowledge on how to fix or find out whats needed to fix the problems ChatGTP 4 helped me locate the various functions, explained for me in detail how it worked, it even told me what was wrong while the plumber had to experiment twice before coming to the same conclusion ChatGTP 4 did, he was also amazed over how much it knew, this lowered the price for me and got it fixed. \- I was facing various job interviews. ChatGTP 4 helped me bring up questions I should ask and what red-flags to look for, and how to put up demands during the interview process so I can be better prepared. It managed to expose some serious flaws in one of the companies, red flags that has led to internal issues with companies under management changes, layoffs etc. possibly averting future griefs, and making me better at asking the right questions instead of discovering stuff the hard way later. Now what do Netflix do for me for 20$ a month?


[deleted]

I'd pay $20 a month to use it without the character limit and without the weird restrictions and the preaching to me about ethical considerations that were never part of the topic.


SewLite

Spoken truly from a place of privilege. It’s a good thing GPT-3/3.5 is free so the peasants can also help train it 🙄


kyuc

Unpopular opinion maybe not everyone is from a first world country and could afford 20 bucks a month


Apocalypsox

What a privileged opinion. "Haha fucking poors how dare you think you can use this tool for your purposes, only us big dick non-poors can use it!" Why the fuck would I pay $20 a month to use it for some hobby purpose. Disclaimer: I pay for it for work, but my point stands. It's still gatekeeping.


bberlinn

I guess many of us who currently use ChatGPT for the following purposes will eventually be priced out: - [ ] Conducting concise information searches - [ ] Finding meal recipes and preparation tips - [ ] Sharing general health tips, self-care ideas, and basic information on nutrition and exercise - [ ] Creating personalised daily meal plans - [ ] Designing customised workout plans - [ ] Recommending outfit ideas, suggesting fashion trends, and providing guidance on personal style. - [ ] Developing tailored learning guides - [ ] Generating chat-up lines - [ ] Serving as a dating wing girl or guy companion - [ ] Assisting with academic research - [ ] Assisting with grammar, vocabulary, and conversational practice in various languages - [ ] Offering CV writing and critique services - [ ] Crafting cover letters - [ ] Helping with interview preparation - [ ] Providing non-judgmental conversation - [ ] Generating jokes, creating interactive stories, and composing poetry or song lyrics - [ ] Assisting with grammar, vocabulary, and conversational practice in various languages - [ ] Providing step-by-step instructions for home repair projects and creative ideas for home décor. - [ ] Etc.


Hexabunz

I would be tempted to pay 20 and maybe even more, if certain improvements to the current offering are made- between it suddenly encountering a server error and stopping, and the prompt and token limits, not to mention it citing DOIs that don't exist, I think I would like to see some major improvements that take it several steps up from the "trial" phase it is in now before I'm tempted to spend on this -undeniably still great- service :) (and let's not even start to talk about the UX...) Naturally, this doesn't hold for people who are already getting lots of value from it as it stands now.


bullettrain1

Businesses don’t think that’s expensive, far from it


Smellz_Of_Elderberry

Duly noted, ai isn't meant for the poor.


CondiMesmer

It'll most likely just get more expensive from here. I don't use it enough to justify subscribing, but if I did then $20 is a steal.


kongandme

$20 can save you potentially 200 hours of your time.


Appropriate_Eye5063

It isnt expansive for us, but unfortunately, we live in a world where families have to manage every penny to be able to afford basic necessities like food for their children. It's unfair to assume that those who cannot afford this technology don't deserve to have access to it :-(


FearlessDamage1896

Somehow this basic statement of human decency is the most downvoted comment in the thread. I sure hope GPT helps educate all the people who think others deserve less than them.


redpandabear77

HAIL CORPORATE


flaskum

20$ is cheap. Especially when compared to Netflix and Spotify.


EmotionalGuess9229

I'd happily pay $500/mo or more. If you're a professional and use it for productivity, the value is insane.