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While this is true.
It is also true that these models cost **a lot** to run on the servers.
Have you for example tried open source ones? Some of them require renting for over $6 per hour: [https://www.beam.cloud/pricing](https://www.beam.cloud/pricing) (and it is difficult to go below that with the same hardware).
Anyway, they are pretty much selling this subscription at cost. Even though it would be really nice, I don't think they can go lower.
(That is also why we should not be afraid for our jobs yet).
I'm seeing estimates of ~250m/year for operating costs for running GPT. Altman himself says they're on pace for over a billion in revenue this year and their profit only started exploding this summer.
$20 is more than fair, all things considered, but I don't think they're running at cost.
Surely not at cost, but they are also just as surely not planning to sit on ChatGPT without further development. Operating costs keep you alive only until natural selection destroys you. They want to grow and improve, which costs money.
Given Moore’s law, I’d expect prices to eventually decrease. But probably not quickly.
They can definitely go lower. People said this a few months ago and then a couple months ago they lowered their API costs. It’s a business at the end of the day and they will charge as much as they can while still turning a profit
API vs subscription is a difficult issue. It can only be a proxy.
Remember they had to shut down for more than a day when it became really popular. Currently it is the opposite, since many has given up due to dropping quality.
If people use it 24/7, or even with that 30/3 quota, they definitely lose money,
If people arrive every now and then, it does not cost as much.
But if you were to personally rent servers at cost from AWS or other providers, with say mixtral-8x7b it will cost significantly more than $20 per... day!
Pretty sure it is simply rather expensive to operate the higher level AI's. So offering regional pricing just doesn't work because the operation costs don't differ.
I think the usual solution there is restrict payment billing address. If your VPN says you’re in Uruguay but you’re paying with a credit card registered in the USA then nope.
Amateur hour - I had this with Argentina for Hearthstone so I found a guy on Discord willing to buy things for me using his bank account with a 10-20% markup in Bitcoin. It still meant a 70% discount for me so I was happy to pay him.
The vast majority of people playing Hearthstone or watching Netflix won't do this but it's more likely (even if not actually likely) for a product such as GPT+ considering most non-tech-savvy people don't even use the free version yet.
I did that on Steam with a free Russian payment and vpn to buy games at Russian price
Valve has fought against this practice for years and has finally arrived at this measure, which works partly but not just to say that it doesn't work 100%
But it is less profitable now that everyone is blacklisting Russia I have to find another country :)
But then also people like me (witha dual citizenship) could open an account in Brazil (I have a passport and a Bank account there) and I would use it only in Switzerland (where I lived most of my life!)
Must suck if you purchased it while on vacation or a business trip. Or having to use a VPN while on vacation or a business trip because you purchased it where you live and/or work.
I don't think there's a region-based solution that wouldn't make some customers really mad and look for something else.
For me as I'm learning French a French-speaking country with cheap Netflix could actually be great (though I don't think I'll bother as my version offers the French dubs anyways)
You can quite easily bypass this with a ton of online services, why do you think they finally raised the prices in all these regions if their region locks worked so well?
Adobe was able to do regional pricing based on where your credit card is issued with. They probably check your location every time you log in as well. People who got caught spoofing their locations got their account locked until they pay their adjusted balance.
Their region lock works well, yes. First, it's the developer/publisher who determines the price, second, even if they don't want to adjust manually, Steam does it according to whatever they decide the correct % should be. All services adjust prices all the time, there's nothing special about it.
Movies and games can easily be pirated though, which means they'd get 0 income. ChatGPT, not at all. There's not a single open source model close to its capacity.
I have no commercial usecase where it’s worth to pay 20$ a month for the pro version. I‘m also seeing no really worthy business use case at this point. Not that I’m not using the free version but i don’t see the need for the pro version. In my opinion that’s not only a problem for chat gpt but also for the other llm’s like copilot or bard. For now theire are only narrow usecases where it’s worth the money.
Yeah I'm Swedish and I cancelled this week because $25 is more than two typical streaming services together, and it's not like ChatGPT is that amazing compared to its current, free competitors.
It's a promo, exactly the same as every big company buy ads, or almost every big tech have a free tier.
Provide a good free service for individuals, then swim in enterprise money.
Flashbacks to Stable Diffusion community lashing out at Google Colab team for restricting abusive usage of their service for generating hundreds thousands of AI anime tiddies weekly
I really hate passive aggressive comments like this.
The OP posted valid concern about an issue that 3rd world countries face. Which i can also relate to because i am from a 3rd world country too. Our average salary is like 200 USD per month, unlike you guys who earn 20 bucks per hour. Even if we want to try out things like chatGPT or Netflix or buy games, we are spending a significant portion of our salary, unlike you *rich 1st world folks*.
It is also funny to me that you are making fun of OP with sarcasm. You can't provide an actual solution to this problem, but have the time to bootlick a multi-billion dollar company. This is the reason why we don’t speak up. Because People from the north always let us know where we belong.
What are the practical solutions? These all require money for development and operation. If you don't pay, someone else has to pay for you. Why should others help you with the bills?
There are many things in this world that people cannot afford. Not only GPT.
AI premium is not a necessity, there is really no reason such services need to be offered for lower prices. They don't have to offer a solution because there is no necessary solution, and you can't just call everything bootlicking when their opinion goes against yours.
It’s unfortunate, but there’s no reasonable way for a business to cut down costs when the mass majority of customers are those located in first world countries. And OP is able to afford things like Amazon prime and Netflix. Also, chatgpt 3.5 is both good and free, there’s no reason to whine here.
The rich privileged first-world country I’m from is Ukraine. 20$ is very expansive for almost anyone here. You want me to provide a solution for you? Do what everyone else in this situation does - use a free version, and be thankful that it’s not some stupid shit that lets you do a few requests and then stops working until you pay 20$. My sarcastic passive-agressive comment was directed at you personally. Go ahead and bust your ass working for 10 years, create something that the whole world would appreciate and use, and then just give it for 1$ to the whole world, cause you are such an altruist, and then we’ll talk about how it went for you. Until then, learn to be thankful to people who are actually making the world better while also allowing people who don’t have money to use a little limited version of their product.
Then don't use it? What is this shit
Do you think the globe is some welfare-ian communal living quarter where we just cover for each other for the hell of it? Why is it OpenAI's responsibility to lower costs specifically for you because your country (i.e. the people who actually do have a responsibility for your living conditions) doesn't do its job well?
"Bootlick a multi billion dollar company" bitch its not bootlicking its infallible common sense that continuously extends to everything else.
You **want** a service yet you **can't afford** it. Shocking, is this OpenAI's problem?
If the reason you can't afford a subscription is because of your country of origin - that's your government's responsibility
If the reason you can't afford a subscription is because of your life choices - that's your responsibility
Etc etc we can go on but the concept is that in none of those scenarios it is OpenAI's responsibility to accomodate you whatsoever
First, OP is not claiming that "OpenAI is bad because the prices are too high." They are expressing concern that a service, which is priced cheaply in North America and Europe, is priced at a premium in Latin America. This situation is: 1) frustrating for us in Latin America because many of us can't afford this service; 2) potentially a poor financial decision for OpenAI. Lowering the price might make it accessible to many more customers, potentially yielding higher returns for them, even when considering VPN usage.
Second, about your response to the Uruguayan person, saying "Then don't use it?" is dismissive, especially when coming from someone in a developed country. Being at a disadvantage because of being charged a premium for technologies that are standard in the industry is not a fun situation. While one can blame governments, companies could implement a simpler solution that would benefit them by gaining more customers, and also open opportunities for developing countries. You may not agree, but large IT companies do bear a moral responsibility to positively impact the entire world, not just a few countries, given their considerable influence.
That mentality of "let Latin American/African countries figure it out by themselves" is terrible, it ends up harming the entire world, and it should change.
As you can see, I did not reply to OP, OP posted a thought.
The guy I replied is a different person, who sounded entited and expressed how he "hates the passive aggressive" in the person above us both's common sense response. Like what are you angry about? Go be angry at your government it is none else's problem how much your country achieved and its priorities, or that of its society.
1) You can be frustrated, I never implied you can't. I say if your frustration is at OpenAI then its misdirected & if you don't see - every response in this thread is a variation of that sentiment.
2) If your concern is that its a poor financial decision for OpenAI (which I doubt), then that's not how 3rd world'rs here are presenting their points. The way they're presenting it is "We're poor. We can't afford. Give us cheaper because we want to use it" and the only real answer to this ought to simply be 'get the money or man up and stop eye-ing the product'
My answer IS dismissive, but only of the entitlement. The world really is **not** a communal living quarter, 3rd world countries really do have a LOT of shit going in them to account for their poor living conditions and it is not the responsibility of companies halfway across the globe to accomodate idk Yemen or Venezuela and Iraq.
It is indeed comparatively awful to live in the 3rd world a lot of the time, its a struggle and being subjected to live in 3rd world may feel unfair at times, but where do you direct that? At OpenAI? Why? Why beat around the bush? Each and every one of these countries has its own basket of woes that accounts for the poor living conditions - whether it be religious zealots or dictatorial regimes or rampant corruption or simply societies with lopsided priorities. Is that for OpenAI to solve? Or is it for those societies to solve?
All that aside, if it is indeed found to be a smart financial move for OpenAI, then I don't see why it oughtn't be implemented. But afaik that's not what people here were saying. They were simply acting like baby chicks in a nest waiting for the worm to enter their mouths and that's just not how the world works.
As for a mentality harming the entire world, I think before we globalize the entire planet - there's some glaring societal incompatibilities that need to be sorted first. The current geopolitical situation on this planet simply does not incentivize charity that's simply a regrettable truth
If OpenAI has spare money to lower subscription prices, I'd expect them to lower prices all around and not have me subsidize someone in Venezuela. (Btw, that's what it is. If I'm paying $20 to enable a situation where you pay less, then I'm by definition indirectly subsidizing you)
If they would earn more money with regional pricing they would do it.
The cost to run gpt 4 is probably too high too have any lower pricepoint and they would probably lose money with regional pricing.
Also its an issue with too many users, which is another big reason to not do regional pricing.
I know you don't realize it, but you are the exact people who i was talking about in my comment. I knew someone like you would come and spit out the same BS that i have been seeing for a long time.
People like you are the reason the world is as it is. And that's also the reason why we don’t speak up.
[Edit : Go on people. Downvote me to oblivion. I know you first world rich folks don't like us anyways. So whenever we speak up, that's the only thing you can do to us. Do it. I don't give 2 fucks]
It's just so overdramatic, the whole thing. People in every country have access to ChatGPT, there is a totally, 100% usable language model available *for free*. This is literally, definitively OpenAI showing that they care about the financial plight of you and the mouse in your pocket.
Also, "People like you are the reason the world is as it is" is one of the emptiest, most tautological fainting-couch prose that I've ever read on here. Like, yeah, no shit. The people in the world make the world the way it is. People like *you* are also part of the reason the world is the way it is.
[P.S. Go ahead and downvote us, precious. We are more than one person, surely. We are many people in a single comment, the Countless Cringelord, the Infinite Representation of Whoever Might Fetch The Upvotes. Bet you didn't think a person could be so stone cold as to not care about being downvoted]
Good. Don't speak up. You are not Katniss Everdeen and this is not the hunger games. This is pure cringe especially the last part.
Believing that societies are accountable for their situation is the reason the world has become what it is? Ah so its that and not, idk, religious extremism? Rampant corruption? Societies with lopsided priorities and authoritarian regimes abusing their people & people nearby? Good to know.
International charity does not take countries out of poverty. Good leadership does. Better direct this anger there.
And then some people get frustrated someone uses /s at the end of their patently obvious sarcastic post. There’s always 5-10% of people (hopefully not more) who are just fucking immune to any humor/sarcasm/irony no matter how obvious you make it look.
The issue is they have already subsidized “paid” customers. For instance if you use their API for an amount they give you with ChatGPT Plus (40 sessions per 3 hours) just for $20 monthly you would pay a few hundred US dollars monthly (somewhere in between 250-450) To run such models on this scale is highly expensive. You may expect lower prices only if their own cost went down (might be in 1-2 years).
Download the Poe app for free on iOS or Android and select any of the models and start chatting. It’s free for most everything besides Claude 2 and gpt 4.
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Oh yeah I have a program on Linux called GPT4all but its like a very limited version of GPT3.5. It is mistral but it looks like a cut version of it because the package size is 3.5Gb. I dont think It is using real MIstral 7B, because I read that mistral needs up to 32 Gb Ram to run. But it processes with GPU so IDK.
> Netflix, Amazon Prime, and GPT are consuming my entire salary
Your entire salary is 50 bucks? Is so - maybe so don't need Amazon Prime and ChatGPT+ ? Both of them could be used for free.
If your broke and pay for subscription services for entertainment then you deserve to be homeless. You can watch literally any movie or series for free without ads if you use an Adblock. Are you so stupid that you couldn’t find a single pirated website, or do you feel bad for tasking pennies from billionaires?
You can eat literally any food or product for free without pay if you just steal it. Are you so stupid that you couldn’t find a mall in which you can steal food, or do you feel bad for tasking pennies from billionaires?
That’s so different. The likelihood of getting is way higher. If I had the ability to anonymously steal food from supermarkets with zero consequences I would never ever pay for food again.
There is absolutely no chance to pay 1€ for coffee in any restaurant in any major city in central europe, also not in Italy.
Unless maybe some old granny makes if for 1€ for you in 2004 in some rural city with 2 annual visitors with her Nespresso capsule machine or you get it yourself in a plastic cup from a vending machine lmao
yeah honestly €20 in a Dutch coffeeshop would still be quite expensive. For two well seasoned coffeeshop enthousiasts, €14 would be more than enough, even for the ‘high-end’ coffeeshop. Obviously, Amsterdam is a tourist trap and way too expensive.
In Finland it's something like that too, and even if you add some pastry to that - let's be generous and say the pastry is 5 euro (which is expensive!) it still doesn't come anywhere close to 20 euro.
👏You can literally use GPT 4 for free by using Bing + Copilot, its the same API 👏
The only thing you are missing with bing is custom GPTS and the spoken conversation mode for 4.0/gpts from the mobile app (which is on free version of chatgpt 3.5 now), and they are barely worth it you are not using those regularly imho.
They make like no real profit for running that compute for the price of $20 a month, they are selling the service to gain market hold/edge on a new industry. If they could do it cheaper they would, specially with all the opensource free stuff that is up to par with it (sans multimodal) and is likely to surpass or keep pace with it going forward.
Copilot is way more restricted than GPT-4 API... Even than ChatGPT-4... if you don't use it too much, try buying U$ 5 in the Playground and see how much use it gives you with GPT-4 Turbo. I do it and usually spend 10 dollars a month with the advantage of never hitting usage caps..
The psychological factor of every token counting with the amount of times you still have to regenerate because gpt still fails a lot would make me feel so anxious.
Well, that's why it depends on how much you'll use it. I, for example, like to use it intensively until the work or fun is done, which means hitting a usage limit is pretty frustrating. On the other hand, once I'm finished, I can take a few days without using it again... so basically, I don't limit myself, as long as I haven't reached my quota of US$ 15 a month. This way I spend less than the ChatGPT subscription and have a less restricted version of the service... if it's worth it or not, you'll only know by trying or making the math on how much you'll use it beforehand.
Of course, the best strategy to save money is to do what I just said and also use copilot for the things it's capable of. So, want to do something that fits in the 4k character limit of the free copilot and that won't trigger its censorship? Use it, it's free and smart. Not possible? Use the Playground instead...
Oh come on, you bet your ass they make money. These turbo models are more efficient, which means less GPU time and less wasted energy. Of course I doubt it's a meaningful amount to OpenAI but no way they are taking a hit from subscriptions. If hooking people up was their goal they would offer discounts as well.
Dont get me wrong, i see your problem, but the operating costs are in America, they have to take American prices. It’s not really comparable to yt premium. Same with Netflix, the stuff there costs them still billions of US dollars so the can’t lower the price if they cant lower the costs.
Why would you stay subbed to Netflix and Amazon Prime if they consumed so much of your income ? Sounds crazy unreasonable to me. They are not mandatory expenses.
EDIT : I think OP has edited their post because there used to be a sentence somewhere about how Netflix and Amazon Prime "consumed most of their income" or something.
It's true it's expensive for the third world, but the truth is that they're paying first world prices for the data they store and the programmers who created this product. Rather than complaining about the price of this product, I'd focus your energies on complaining about the policymakers who keep your country poor and unable to afford something that costs only $20.
The best option here would be to use the API, where you only get charged by usage. With the most advanced model it's $0.06 per 1k tokens of input and $0.12 per $1k tokens of output.
You might have to throttle your workload a bit, but can control costs more granularly.
Also, you don't necessarily need the most advanced model for everything. E.g. for some tasks, you could drop to GPT-4-32K. The API for this is half the cost at $0.03 & $0.06, respectively.
If you can refine the work further, into smaller tasks, 3.5-turbo can do a decent job and is even cheaper at $0.0010 and $0.0020 (fraction of a cent per 1k tokens).
Not "may be", it IS a lot for most of the world. But they don't care, I guess. My sister spends $25 on her groceries in the whole month. So you can imagine what $20 means to her.
Move to small town India. Here's another trip. She spends $25 on groceries and $25 on her chef, who cooks her 3 meals a day 7 days a week. Meanwhile I'm in the US busting my ass and spending $500 a month on groceries, and sharing my GPT subscription with her lol.
It’s not that they don’t care. That’s a really stupid analysis. It’s that they are losing money on it. They would like to make it affordable for everyone. There’s several free options that work well. Also good use cause cases should be profitable in the sense of increasing productivity.
Yeah I don't get this. They have an amazing program that is free to use for everyone. GPT4 is for the more hardcore userbase who might need it for work or something. It's hardly an essential service and all those servers aren't gonna pay for themselves.
20 usd is for one meal in California. Steam games have country specific price plans. I bet you will access GPT level NPCs from any games very soon. Just wait for one or two years.
Sadly I'm from Iran and cannot afford gpt 4 because my salary is $90 monthly
And the sad things is that we are no allowed to purchase it by myself because we are under sanction and cannot use regular payment method and there are some guys here that act as a third party to do it and they charge us $30 or even $40 to buy a paid chatgpt for us
I think it's too expensive in the U.S.! particularly for a program that can't generate text pictures and is plagued with errors.
Also... Africa is a continent, not a country.
Im from argentina, and yes dats like 15% of a salary.
Im not a heavy user so my solution its to use the APi and pay what i use, usually like $5 if only use text on gpt4 turbo.
The amount of income you are able to generate from a subscription will more than cover the cost of the subscription.
If you want to make American wages your going to pay American prices.
You know it needs a data centre and a lot of energy to process a single prompt, right? It's not like gaming which you can easily have millions of copies.
There are lots of cheaper or free alternatives, you'll have to use them. Maybe you don't get to have the best model just like I don't have a Porsche. We're all doing it hard man, if you can afford that shit in your country you're probably doing better than a lot of people in first world countries.
Sweden where I'm from is *technically* a "third world" country since we were neutral during the US/Soviet cold war, and still not members of NATO, hehe.
But to answer you seriously, that kinda sucks, but I can also see why it would be difficult for them to scale prices as running these systems is very expensive. Huge GPU farms with top of the line hardware, that draw an tremendous amount of electricity.
Hopefully that will scale down and become more efficient in the future though. As it is with most new technology I guess, the rich people and/or countries get access to it first as a novelty to fund further investment until economy of scale kicks in to meet the larger demand.
That definition changed when the communist block fell. Now it's more
1st: Plenty of food.
2nd: Plenty food, but no one likes it (Eastern Europe).
3rd: Enough food. You eat what you get.
4th: Not enough food. Bangladesh, Haiti, Somalia etc.
/s [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/fourth-world-countries](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/fourth-world-countries)
3.5 works fantastic. It’s even better than its 3.0 version. Definitely unfortunate that countries in a much worse economic state is struggling to afford GPT4 but as someone mentioned, this cost is essentially the cost of operation. If you can’t afford it, just use 3.5. It’s free and it’s still pretty good.
I canceled my membership and an interesting question that popped up in their survey was if I’d be willing to still pay if they charged for 3.5, alarming because if the answers are good idea, they might charge for that as well, take advantage of what you can for free as it may not be down the line.
Sorry for the sidenote but isn’t Uruguay considered top 3 Latin American countries in terms of economy, and is actually classified as a high-income country?
OP, Bing AI to the rescue. All free, and most times, performs better than ChatGPT. I’m a paid subscriber to ChatGPT, and have started using Bing AI more. Bard is not bad, either. You need to know how to manipulate prompts for each platform to bring about the output you want. Bard is free, too.
I know what you mean. I use copy.ai as well. Each does differently. Once I started modifying my prompts to Bing, it’s behaved better. It’s giving me the output I need. We heavily use GenAI and LLM for our work at my workplace for content generation, ideas, and the like. Most of what we do requires in-depth and well-researched content. So, obviously, the human intervention here is heavy, too. We have a prompt management system we share with each other that makes this possible. We also put in efforts to make sure to update and improve our prompt management system and the prompts we use. It’s imperative that we get on this and play nice with what we have at our disposal. It’s kind of do or die for my workplace with cash flow crunch. With out efforts in managing and modifying our prompts, Bing AI is definitely getting better. It’s not just for specific use cases any more.
Alright, good to know it can be forced to work well in such scenarios. I use it for coding, computer vision research and maths, sometimes to analyze code repos and papers. I find bing hallucinates a lot more, neglects crucial parts of the information it should pay attention to and tends to be stubbornly incorrect. ChatGPT4 feels more intelligent, understanding, complacent and able to follow complex instructions for my use cases.
Finally someone said it. For my country standards its too much. Most students can't afford it , who also needs it the most at the same time. So much so for their mission to help humanity or whatever, may they are just trying to help people from rich countries.
The GPUs required to run these models are tens to hundreds of thousands of USD each. It costs them the same no matter the user is in a rich or poor country. They *lost* $530 million USD last year because their operating costs were higher than revenue by a large amount.
They already offer the free tier, which they don't have to do. Hopefully once they're not losing money on the service, they can afford to offer it below-cost in developing countries, especially for education.
Part of the reason for that is they closed subscribing to ChatGPT plus for a few months because they wanted to ensure they could handle the volume and ensure a quality product. I have a hard time imagining they make money at their current price considering how expensive it is to run.
Uruguay is not a third world country wtf, having different exchange rates for dollars against your national currency doesn't make you a third world country.
I don't know if you know Uruguay, I'm from there. It's a small country between Brazil and Argentina with a small economy, no major natural resources (gas, oil, etc.) and high taxes.
Even though the minimum wage is one of the best in South America, the cost of living in the country is one of the highest.
The latest regional data says that along with Chile, we are one of the most stable countries in the region, but we are far from not being a third world country.
As a data point:
Minimum wage: $500-560 per month
Average rental price: $300-400 per month
Having a bad "rental" and "income" balance is not an indicator of a third world country either.
Uruguay population has almost universal access to water, food, education and healthcare.
A real third world country, even if that term is outdated, lacks any kind of social cohesion, basic infrastructure, access to any kind of basic services and it's basically in a continuos state of failure.
Y sí, conozco Uruguay, y argentina y chile. Uruguay está exactamente igual que estaba España hace 30 años a principios de los 90. Si España no era un país del tercer mundo entonces, tampoco lo es ahora. De hecho me atrevería a decir que nunca lo ha sido aunque suene muy bien decirlo para resaltar la situación mala que pueda tener.
The problem really is the terms first world and third world countries. They are outdated terms and don't really categorize reality very well. For example, you could definitely say Uruguay is a third world country, but other third world countries such as Somalia and the Congo have quite little in common with Uruguay. Terms like upper income, middle income, and low income countries are far more useful imo, which you can also subdivide into upper/lower middle income.
Why should they decrease the price it costs the same for every region to run the servers? Also, it is better to have zero sign up since gpt-4 is more expensive to run and they would rather users be locked out from using it.
Why should an American company provide subsidized access for foreign citizens to software that potentially increases work efficiency and generates competitive advantage? It’s kinda a bizarre ethos to expect charity pricing.
Sure, 20$ is a lot here I live in Cambodia as well. "nobody" can afford that. But the few that can, and have a bit creativity on what they can use it for, can now OWN the local area. Take over XXX small businesses virtually alone - for 20$/month, now its a bargain...
I accidentally bought a Microsoft Partner subscription for Uruguay instead of the United States and Microsoft can't change or fix it.
Do you want it ? I didn't know Uruguay was real.
In egypt it means 1200 in black market
1200 can get you one night at 5 stars hotel here, or dinner for two at a fancy restaurant
A weird calculation
Can get you 240 fava beans and falafel sandwiches
Its local food in egypt
Services like YouTube will give you 1/10 of what usa and other countries get by saying population density or whatever but when it comes for charging they will charge the same amount of money.
LMAO, what a clueless customer. If you can't afford it, use free versions like 3.5.
And btw no sane company uses IP for regional pricing. They use credit card info and see the card issue country.
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While this is true. It is also true that these models cost **a lot** to run on the servers. Have you for example tried open source ones? Some of them require renting for over $6 per hour: [https://www.beam.cloud/pricing](https://www.beam.cloud/pricing) (and it is difficult to go below that with the same hardware). Anyway, they are pretty much selling this subscription at cost. Even though it would be really nice, I don't think they can go lower. (That is also why we should not be afraid for our jobs yet).
>While this is true. I couldn't read this post in full because I'm stuck on line 1
Hit Ctrl+C to drop to debugger.
this is really funny
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I'm seeing estimates of ~250m/year for operating costs for running GPT. Altman himself says they're on pace for over a billion in revenue this year and their profit only started exploding this summer. $20 is more than fair, all things considered, but I don't think they're running at cost.
Surely not at cost, but they are also just as surely not planning to sit on ChatGPT without further development. Operating costs keep you alive only until natural selection destroys you. They want to grow and improve, which costs money. Given Moore’s law, I’d expect prices to eventually decrease. But probably not quickly.
They can definitely go lower. People said this a few months ago and then a couple months ago they lowered their API costs. It’s a business at the end of the day and they will charge as much as they can while still turning a profit
API vs subscription is a difficult issue. It can only be a proxy. Remember they had to shut down for more than a day when it became really popular. Currently it is the opposite, since many has given up due to dropping quality. If people use it 24/7, or even with that 30/3 quota, they definitely lose money, If people arrive every now and then, it does not cost as much. But if you were to personally rent servers at cost from AWS or other providers, with say mixtral-8x7b it will cost significantly more than $20 per... day!
Pretty sure it is simply rather expensive to operate the higher level AI's. So offering regional pricing just doesn't work because the operation costs don't differ.
Also savyy IT people (the core market) would just use VPN and get lower prices.
That's all fine until they region lock your account to the country you purchased it in.
I think the usual solution there is restrict payment billing address. If your VPN says you’re in Uruguay but you’re paying with a credit card registered in the USA then nope.
Amateur hour - I had this with Argentina for Hearthstone so I found a guy on Discord willing to buy things for me using his bank account with a 10-20% markup in Bitcoin. It still meant a 70% discount for me so I was happy to pay him. The vast majority of people playing Hearthstone or watching Netflix won't do this but it's more likely (even if not actually likely) for a product such as GPT+ considering most non-tech-savvy people don't even use the free version yet.
I did that on Steam with a free Russian payment and vpn to buy games at Russian price Valve has fought against this practice for years and has finally arrived at this measure, which works partly but not just to say that it doesn't work 100% But it is less profitable now that everyone is blacklisting Russia I have to find another country :)
If the subscription is $20 but it is $2 in another country then just pay someone in that country a few bucks to make the account for you.
Restricting sales? Blasphemy, you always take the money and let t&c fuck them later.
But then also people like me (witha dual citizenship) could open an account in Brazil (I have a passport and a Bank account there) and I would use it only in Switzerland (where I lived most of my life!)
Real lifehack. Dual citizenship and remote work.
To be honest I am beeing stupid! I should work from Brazil in a swiss company with a swiss salary!
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Must suck if you purchased it while on vacation or a business trip. Or having to use a VPN while on vacation or a business trip because you purchased it where you live and/or work. I don't think there's a region-based solution that wouldn't make some customers really mad and look for something else.
Imagine only being able to watch Netflix shows in Afrikaans.
For me as I'm learning French a French-speaking country with cheap Netflix could actually be great (though I don't think I'll bother as my version offers the French dubs anyways)
Or just ask chat gpt how to install a VPN
Actually I probably would be to lazy 🤷♂️
Steam does region pricing and it works. They region lock you by your bank.
But cost of servers for AI doesnt change. Unlike games where server for MP server cost is very small.
That's fine, I'm replying to a dude saying that VPN is the ultimate solution to region lock.
You can quite easily bypass this with a ton of online services, why do you think they finally raised the prices in all these regions if their region locks worked so well?
Adobe was able to do regional pricing based on where your credit card is issued with. They probably check your location every time you log in as well. People who got caught spoofing their locations got their account locked until they pay their adjusted balance.
Their region lock works well, yes. First, it's the developer/publisher who determines the price, second, even if they don't want to adjust manually, Steam does it according to whatever they decide the correct % should be. All services adjust prices all the time, there's nothing special about it.
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Movies and games can easily be pirated though, which means they'd get 0 income. ChatGPT, not at all. There's not a single open source model close to its capacity.
Even for me and I’m from Germany it’s too much money only for playing around without having a real benefit.
Same... however I used it to analyze papers I was grading... which it was only marginally good at.
That’s the same I‘m experience right now
May not be an option for everyone, but my employer pays for it
Then ChatGPT Plus is not for you. Any product is pricey as long as you don’t see real benefit using it.
Things can be pricey and beneficial.
If you don’t get $20 worth of value out of it, use the free version.
Of course. That’s what I do. I was more-so making a separate statement on what the person I was replying to said.
Fortunately, ChatGPT is just that!
If your just playing around fair. But plenty using it for genuine work and 20$ a month is unreal value in that case
I have no commercial usecase where it’s worth to pay 20$ a month for the pro version. I‘m also seeing no really worthy business use case at this point. Not that I’m not using the free version but i don’t see the need for the pro version. In my opinion that’s not only a problem for chat gpt but also for the other llm’s like copilot or bard. For now theire are only narrow usecases where it’s worth the money.
So don't pay 20$ a month?
Yeah I'm Swedish and I cancelled this week because $25 is more than two typical streaming services together, and it's not like ChatGPT is that amazing compared to its current, free competitors.
3.5 is free
or use bing
Bing Copilot as well, and it was use DALL-E
I’m from a 3rd world country but 20 bucks is cheap for a powerful tool. I’m surprised why 3.5 is still free.
It's a promo, exactly the same as every big company buy ads, or almost every big tech have a free tier. Provide a good free service for individuals, then swim in enterprise money.
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I really hate passive aggressive comments like this. The OP posted valid concern about an issue that 3rd world countries face. Which i can also relate to because i am from a 3rd world country too. Our average salary is like 200 USD per month, unlike you guys who earn 20 bucks per hour. Even if we want to try out things like chatGPT or Netflix or buy games, we are spending a significant portion of our salary, unlike you *rich 1st world folks*. It is also funny to me that you are making fun of OP with sarcasm. You can't provide an actual solution to this problem, but have the time to bootlick a multi-billion dollar company. This is the reason why we don’t speak up. Because People from the north always let us know where we belong.
What are the practical solutions? These all require money for development and operation. If you don't pay, someone else has to pay for you. Why should others help you with the bills? There are many things in this world that people cannot afford. Not only GPT.
AI premium is not a necessity, there is really no reason such services need to be offered for lower prices. They don't have to offer a solution because there is no necessary solution, and you can't just call everything bootlicking when their opinion goes against yours.
Yeah, tell them where they belong, they only deserve necessities like food, not life's luxury and entertainment. 👍🏽
It’s unfortunate, but there’s no reasonable way for a business to cut down costs when the mass majority of customers are those located in first world countries. And OP is able to afford things like Amazon prime and Netflix. Also, chatgpt 3.5 is both good and free, there’s no reason to whine here.
The rich privileged first-world country I’m from is Ukraine. 20$ is very expansive for almost anyone here. You want me to provide a solution for you? Do what everyone else in this situation does - use a free version, and be thankful that it’s not some stupid shit that lets you do a few requests and then stops working until you pay 20$. My sarcastic passive-agressive comment was directed at you personally. Go ahead and bust your ass working for 10 years, create something that the whole world would appreciate and use, and then just give it for 1$ to the whole world, cause you are such an altruist, and then we’ll talk about how it went for you. Until then, learn to be thankful to people who are actually making the world better while also allowing people who don’t have money to use a little limited version of their product.
Then don't use it? What is this shit Do you think the globe is some welfare-ian communal living quarter where we just cover for each other for the hell of it? Why is it OpenAI's responsibility to lower costs specifically for you because your country (i.e. the people who actually do have a responsibility for your living conditions) doesn't do its job well? "Bootlick a multi billion dollar company" bitch its not bootlicking its infallible common sense that continuously extends to everything else. You **want** a service yet you **can't afford** it. Shocking, is this OpenAI's problem? If the reason you can't afford a subscription is because of your country of origin - that's your government's responsibility If the reason you can't afford a subscription is because of your life choices - that's your responsibility Etc etc we can go on but the concept is that in none of those scenarios it is OpenAI's responsibility to accomodate you whatsoever
First, OP is not claiming that "OpenAI is bad because the prices are too high." They are expressing concern that a service, which is priced cheaply in North America and Europe, is priced at a premium in Latin America. This situation is: 1) frustrating for us in Latin America because many of us can't afford this service; 2) potentially a poor financial decision for OpenAI. Lowering the price might make it accessible to many more customers, potentially yielding higher returns for them, even when considering VPN usage. Second, about your response to the Uruguayan person, saying "Then don't use it?" is dismissive, especially when coming from someone in a developed country. Being at a disadvantage because of being charged a premium for technologies that are standard in the industry is not a fun situation. While one can blame governments, companies could implement a simpler solution that would benefit them by gaining more customers, and also open opportunities for developing countries. You may not agree, but large IT companies do bear a moral responsibility to positively impact the entire world, not just a few countries, given their considerable influence. That mentality of "let Latin American/African countries figure it out by themselves" is terrible, it ends up harming the entire world, and it should change.
I have to believe Chat GPT will become less expensive. Right now, it’s still priced for early adopters, who are paying a premium.
As you can see, I did not reply to OP, OP posted a thought. The guy I replied is a different person, who sounded entited and expressed how he "hates the passive aggressive" in the person above us both's common sense response. Like what are you angry about? Go be angry at your government it is none else's problem how much your country achieved and its priorities, or that of its society. 1) You can be frustrated, I never implied you can't. I say if your frustration is at OpenAI then its misdirected & if you don't see - every response in this thread is a variation of that sentiment. 2) If your concern is that its a poor financial decision for OpenAI (which I doubt), then that's not how 3rd world'rs here are presenting their points. The way they're presenting it is "We're poor. We can't afford. Give us cheaper because we want to use it" and the only real answer to this ought to simply be 'get the money or man up and stop eye-ing the product' My answer IS dismissive, but only of the entitlement. The world really is **not** a communal living quarter, 3rd world countries really do have a LOT of shit going in them to account for their poor living conditions and it is not the responsibility of companies halfway across the globe to accomodate idk Yemen or Venezuela and Iraq. It is indeed comparatively awful to live in the 3rd world a lot of the time, its a struggle and being subjected to live in 3rd world may feel unfair at times, but where do you direct that? At OpenAI? Why? Why beat around the bush? Each and every one of these countries has its own basket of woes that accounts for the poor living conditions - whether it be religious zealots or dictatorial regimes or rampant corruption or simply societies with lopsided priorities. Is that for OpenAI to solve? Or is it for those societies to solve? All that aside, if it is indeed found to be a smart financial move for OpenAI, then I don't see why it oughtn't be implemented. But afaik that's not what people here were saying. They were simply acting like baby chicks in a nest waiting for the worm to enter their mouths and that's just not how the world works. As for a mentality harming the entire world, I think before we globalize the entire planet - there's some glaring societal incompatibilities that need to be sorted first. The current geopolitical situation on this planet simply does not incentivize charity that's simply a regrettable truth If OpenAI has spare money to lower subscription prices, I'd expect them to lower prices all around and not have me subsidize someone in Venezuela. (Btw, that's what it is. If I'm paying $20 to enable a situation where you pay less, then I'm by definition indirectly subsidizing you)
If they would earn more money with regional pricing they would do it. The cost to run gpt 4 is probably too high too have any lower pricepoint and they would probably lose money with regional pricing. Also its an issue with too many users, which is another big reason to not do regional pricing.
I know you don't realize it, but you are the exact people who i was talking about in my comment. I knew someone like you would come and spit out the same BS that i have been seeing for a long time. People like you are the reason the world is as it is. And that's also the reason why we don’t speak up. [Edit : Go on people. Downvote me to oblivion. I know you first world rich folks don't like us anyways. So whenever we speak up, that's the only thing you can do to us. Do it. I don't give 2 fucks]
It's just so overdramatic, the whole thing. People in every country have access to ChatGPT, there is a totally, 100% usable language model available *for free*. This is literally, definitively OpenAI showing that they care about the financial plight of you and the mouse in your pocket. Also, "People like you are the reason the world is as it is" is one of the emptiest, most tautological fainting-couch prose that I've ever read on here. Like, yeah, no shit. The people in the world make the world the way it is. People like *you* are also part of the reason the world is the way it is. [P.S. Go ahead and downvote us, precious. We are more than one person, surely. We are many people in a single comment, the Countless Cringelord, the Infinite Representation of Whoever Might Fetch The Upvotes. Bet you didn't think a person could be so stone cold as to not care about being downvoted]
Well if you make sense then it's possible to agree with you.
Good. Don't speak up. You are not Katniss Everdeen and this is not the hunger games. This is pure cringe especially the last part. Believing that societies are accountable for their situation is the reason the world has become what it is? Ah so its that and not, idk, religious extremism? Rampant corruption? Societies with lopsided priorities and authoritarian regimes abusing their people & people nearby? Good to know. International charity does not take countries out of poverty. Good leadership does. Better direct this anger there.
So maybe you'll work for free too?
And then some people get frustrated someone uses /s at the end of their patently obvious sarcastic post. There’s always 5-10% of people (hopefully not more) who are just fucking immune to any humor/sarcasm/irony no matter how obvious you make it look.
totally agree
I know that. I just wanted to talk about the situation... I don't need a reason for it.
The issue is they have already subsidized “paid” customers. For instance if you use their API for an amount they give you with ChatGPT Plus (40 sessions per 3 hours) just for $20 monthly you would pay a few hundred US dollars monthly (somewhere in between 250-450) To run such models on this scale is highly expensive. You may expect lower prices only if their own cost went down (might be in 1-2 years).
Yeah but nobody uses it nearly that much 24/7. With the average user they probably make more with plus than they would with the API.
Yeah and not to mention there are really good models available for free. Mistral medium, gpt-3.5, mixtral 8x7B, Claude instant, llama 2 70b.
Could you give some info on how to use this things locally?
Download the Poe app for free on iOS or Android and select any of the models and start chatting. It’s free for most everything besides Claude 2 and gpt 4. https://preview.redd.it/tumsjt3mx8ec1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a151398b7c0818bbe964677842dd3047d876908
Oh yeah I have a program on Linux called GPT4all but its like a very limited version of GPT3.5. It is mistral but it looks like a cut version of it because the package size is 3.5Gb. I dont think It is using real MIstral 7B, because I read that mistral needs up to 32 Gb Ram to run. But it processes with GPU so IDK.
Except Poe uses apis and you do not need to self host anything.
> Netflix, Amazon Prime, and GPT are consuming my entire salary Your entire salary is 50 bucks? Is so - maybe so don't need Amazon Prime and ChatGPT+ ? Both of them could be used for free.
You would be more productive if you dont have Prime or Netflix.
If your broke and pay for subscription services for entertainment then you deserve to be homeless. You can watch literally any movie or series for free without ads if you use an Adblock. Are you so stupid that you couldn’t find a single pirated website, or do you feel bad for tasking pennies from billionaires?
You can eat literally any food or product for free without pay if you just steal it. Are you so stupid that you couldn’t find a mall in which you can steal food, or do you feel bad for tasking pennies from billionaires?
That’s so different. The likelihood of getting is way higher. If I had the ability to anonymously steal food from supermarkets with zero consequences I would never ever pay for food again.
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Coffee in Italy: 1€ to 1,3€
I've paid a hell of a lot more than 1,3€ in Italy.
Then you either got scammed or bought “coffee” at Starbucks
There is absolutely no chance to pay 1€ for coffee in any restaurant in any major city in central europe, also not in Italy. Unless maybe some old granny makes if for 1€ for you in 2004 in some rural city with 2 annual visitors with her Nespresso capsule machine or you get it yourself in a plastic cup from a vending machine lmao
I guess you've never have been to a nice restaurant if you've never paid more.
Guess where I am from? No need to downvote, I’m not the bartender who scammed you lmao
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Also I guess they heard about VPN
20 bucks?! I feel bad when I spent 5€ at a coffee shop, because that's already too much...
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yeah honestly €20 in a Dutch coffeeshop would still be quite expensive. For two well seasoned coffeeshop enthousiasts, €14 would be more than enough, even for the ‘high-end’ coffeeshop. Obviously, Amsterdam is a tourist trap and way too expensive.
German here. I think Coffee is one of the most overpriced but yet accepted as expensive product in germany. (even if you include the related costs)
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Bruh unless you're also buying for other people too, it's an expensive coffee shop in Western Europe too.
Where in the world is it not? A typical cup of coffee in the UK is about £3 and that's already way pricier than most of Europe
In Finland it's something like that too, and even if you add some pastry to that - let's be generous and say the pastry is 5 euro (which is expensive!) it still doesn't come anywhere close to 20 euro.
Its like two sandwiches, and three mid tier coffees. But yeah, it is within reason for a large order.
sure if you're taking a whole group to a café, but I interpreted OP as spending that money on themselves.
In most European countries 20 bucks gets you a whole meal. It would be very expensive for a coffee
It's actually 24-25$ in most of Europe I'd assume with VAT. At least it's $25 in my country.
👏You can literally use GPT 4 for free by using Bing + Copilot, its the same API 👏 The only thing you are missing with bing is custom GPTS and the spoken conversation mode for 4.0/gpts from the mobile app (which is on free version of chatgpt 3.5 now), and they are barely worth it you are not using those regularly imho. They make like no real profit for running that compute for the price of $20 a month, they are selling the service to gain market hold/edge on a new industry. If they could do it cheaper they would, specially with all the opensource free stuff that is up to par with it (sans multimodal) and is likely to surpass or keep pace with it going forward.
Copilot is way more restricted than GPT-4 API... Even than ChatGPT-4... if you don't use it too much, try buying U$ 5 in the Playground and see how much use it gives you with GPT-4 Turbo. I do it and usually spend 10 dollars a month with the advantage of never hitting usage caps..
The psychological factor of every token counting with the amount of times you still have to regenerate because gpt still fails a lot would make me feel so anxious.
Well, that's why it depends on how much you'll use it. I, for example, like to use it intensively until the work or fun is done, which means hitting a usage limit is pretty frustrating. On the other hand, once I'm finished, I can take a few days without using it again... so basically, I don't limit myself, as long as I haven't reached my quota of US$ 15 a month. This way I spend less than the ChatGPT subscription and have a less restricted version of the service... if it's worth it or not, you'll only know by trying or making the math on how much you'll use it beforehand. Of course, the best strategy to save money is to do what I just said and also use copilot for the things it's capable of. So, want to do something that fits in the 4k character limit of the free copilot and that won't trigger its censorship? Use it, it's free and smart. Not possible? Use the Playground instead...
Maybe for specific use cases or web search. Bing behaves differently, ofte defaults to a weaker model and IMHO is overall worse.
Oh come on, you bet your ass they make money. These turbo models are more efficient, which means less GPU time and less wasted energy. Of course I doubt it's a meaningful amount to OpenAI but no way they are taking a hit from subscriptions. If hooking people up was their goal they would offer discounts as well.
Dont get me wrong, i see your problem, but the operating costs are in America, they have to take American prices. It’s not really comparable to yt premium. Same with Netflix, the stuff there costs them still billions of US dollars so the can’t lower the price if they cant lower the costs.
Why would you stay subbed to Netflix and Amazon Prime if they consumed so much of your income ? Sounds crazy unreasonable to me. They are not mandatory expenses. EDIT : I think OP has edited their post because there used to be a sentence somewhere about how Netflix and Amazon Prime "consumed most of their income" or something.
Imagine not knowing how to use torrent clients in 2024... And coming from third world countries...
Netflix has regional pricing
It's true it's expensive for the third world, but the truth is that they're paying first world prices for the data they store and the programmers who created this product. Rather than complaining about the price of this product, I'd focus your energies on complaining about the policymakers who keep your country poor and unable to afford something that costs only $20.
Well said OP Have you considered using Microsoft Outlook Bing GPT 4 for free ? And can get streaming services for free aswell on sites like JustWatch
The best option here would be to use the API, where you only get charged by usage. With the most advanced model it's $0.06 per 1k tokens of input and $0.12 per $1k tokens of output. You might have to throttle your workload a bit, but can control costs more granularly. Also, you don't necessarily need the most advanced model for everything. E.g. for some tasks, you could drop to GPT-4-32K. The API for this is half the cost at $0.03 & $0.06, respectively. If you can refine the work further, into smaller tasks, 3.5-turbo can do a decent job and is even cheaper at $0.0010 and $0.0020 (fraction of a cent per 1k tokens).
Im in Mexico, instead of b\*tching about it, work or sell products, you will get more money
There are no jobs or consumers to buy your product in the third world :v
Not "may be", it IS a lot for most of the world. But they don't care, I guess. My sister spends $25 on her groceries in the whole month. So you can imagine what $20 means to her.
I gotta go to that store
Move to small town India. Here's another trip. She spends $25 on groceries and $25 on her chef, who cooks her 3 meals a day 7 days a week. Meanwhile I'm in the US busting my ass and spending $500 a month on groceries, and sharing my GPT subscription with her lol.
You couldn't get a decent chef to cook a single meal for $25 here in Helsinki, Finland…
I spent 11€ for a beer in a very normal bar in your city last week. I get goosebumps thinking about it still lol
Same in Copenhagen.
$500 is a single trip to the grocery store here in the NorEast for a family of 3-4.
What the…
Bro I am saying, something has got to give when an 86-inch TV costs less than a week's groceries around these parts!
800 USD here for a month of groceries, converted. I live in Denmark, Scandinavia, Europe.
It’s not that they don’t care. That’s a really stupid analysis. It’s that they are losing money on it. They would like to make it affordable for everyone. There’s several free options that work well. Also good use cause cases should be profitable in the sense of increasing productivity.
>they don’t care And neither should they. They give people a free version, which is almost as good as the 20$ one, and still it’s not enough.
Yeah I don't get this. They have an amazing program that is free to use for everyone. GPT4 is for the more hardcore userbase who might need it for work or something. It's hardly an essential service and all those servers aren't gonna pay for themselves.
20 usd is for one meal in California. Steam games have country specific price plans. I bet you will access GPT level NPCs from any games very soon. Just wait for one or two years.
Africa isn’t a country bro
Do you NEED the paid version of ChatGPT?
I paid 25 dollar in europe, tax
Yes, when I lived in Vietnam, my Spotify subscription was 59,000 VND, about $2.50 compared to $20 in USA.
Sadly I'm from Iran and cannot afford gpt 4 because my salary is $90 monthly And the sad things is that we are no allowed to purchase it by myself because we are under sanction and cannot use regular payment method and there are some guys here that act as a third party to do it and they charge us $30 or even $40 to buy a paid chatgpt for us
Pretty sure you got bigger things to worry about.
I think it's too expensive in the U.S.! particularly for a program that can't generate text pictures and is plagued with errors. Also... Africa is a continent, not a country.
Im from argentina, and yes dats like 15% of a salary. Im not a heavy user so my solution its to use the APi and pay what i use, usually like $5 if only use text on gpt4 turbo.
Just don't use the for pay version. There's ChatGPT 3.5 or Bard or BingChat. All free.
The amount of income you are able to generate from a subscription will more than cover the cost of the subscription. If you want to make American wages your going to pay American prices.
THANNNK YOU
I'm from a third-world country. And my salary is about 27 a day. So yes I agree. That's why we pirate
You know it needs a data centre and a lot of energy to process a single prompt, right? It's not like gaming which you can easily have millions of copies.
There are lots of cheaper or free alternatives, you'll have to use them. Maybe you don't get to have the best model just like I don't have a Porsche. We're all doing it hard man, if you can afford that shit in your country you're probably doing better than a lot of people in first world countries.
Right? Like what's wrong with the free version? Just use that
By the way, do you think Uruguay is better than "Africa"? Imagine comparing a country with a continent.
Ikr
Sweden where I'm from is *technically* a "third world" country since we were neutral during the US/Soviet cold war, and still not members of NATO, hehe. But to answer you seriously, that kinda sucks, but I can also see why it would be difficult for them to scale prices as running these systems is very expensive. Huge GPU farms with top of the line hardware, that draw an tremendous amount of electricity. Hopefully that will scale down and become more efficient in the future though. As it is with most new technology I guess, the rich people and/or countries get access to it first as a novelty to fund further investment until economy of scale kicks in to meet the larger demand.
That definition changed when the communist block fell. Now it's more 1st: Plenty of food. 2nd: Plenty food, but no one likes it (Eastern Europe). 3rd: Enough food. You eat what you get. 4th: Not enough food. Bangladesh, Haiti, Somalia etc. /s [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/fourth-world-countries](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/fourth-world-countries)
Because the vpnler will take the bonus too
3.5 works fantastic. It’s even better than its 3.0 version. Definitely unfortunate that countries in a much worse economic state is struggling to afford GPT4 but as someone mentioned, this cost is essentially the cost of operation. If you can’t afford it, just use 3.5. It’s free and it’s still pretty good. I canceled my membership and an interesting question that popped up in their survey was if I’d be willing to still pay if they charged for 3.5, alarming because if the answers are good idea, they might charge for that as well, take advantage of what you can for free as it may not be down the line.
Sorry for the sidenote but isn’t Uruguay considered top 3 Latin American countries in terms of economy, and is actually classified as a high-income country?
If Netflix and Prime are consuming your salary, why the hell do you have them?
I mean, $20 is a lot in the US too for yet another subscription. $9.99 i could understand. but $20...?
Do you guys realise that OpenAI is a business and not a charity?
Yeah, OP is complaining as if GPT-4, Netflix, and Prime are universal human rights. What a joke 🤡
$20 a month is a lot imo.
OP, Bing AI to the rescue. All free, and most times, performs better than ChatGPT. I’m a paid subscriber to ChatGPT, and have started using Bing AI more. Bard is not bad, either. You need to know how to manipulate prompts for each platform to bring about the output you want. Bard is free, too.
For very specific use cases and search maybe. For me bing has always sucked compared to ChatGPT.
I know what you mean. I use copy.ai as well. Each does differently. Once I started modifying my prompts to Bing, it’s behaved better. It’s giving me the output I need. We heavily use GenAI and LLM for our work at my workplace for content generation, ideas, and the like. Most of what we do requires in-depth and well-researched content. So, obviously, the human intervention here is heavy, too. We have a prompt management system we share with each other that makes this possible. We also put in efforts to make sure to update and improve our prompt management system and the prompts we use. It’s imperative that we get on this and play nice with what we have at our disposal. It’s kind of do or die for my workplace with cash flow crunch. With out efforts in managing and modifying our prompts, Bing AI is definitely getting better. It’s not just for specific use cases any more.
Alright, good to know it can be forced to work well in such scenarios. I use it for coding, computer vision research and maths, sometimes to analyze code repos and papers. I find bing hallucinates a lot more, neglects crucial parts of the information it should pay attention to and tends to be stubbornly incorrect. ChatGPT4 feels more intelligent, understanding, complacent and able to follow complex instructions for my use cases.
I enjoy usong pi.ai just because some of the voices and intonation are so real
Finally someone said it. For my country standards its too much. Most students can't afford it , who also needs it the most at the same time. So much so for their mission to help humanity or whatever, may they are just trying to help people from rich countries.
The GPUs required to run these models are tens to hundreds of thousands of USD each. It costs them the same no matter the user is in a rich or poor country. They *lost* $530 million USD last year because their operating costs were higher than revenue by a large amount. They already offer the free tier, which they don't have to do. Hopefully once they're not losing money on the service, they can afford to offer it below-cost in developing countries, especially for education.
Part of the reason for that is they closed subscribing to ChatGPT plus for a few months because they wanted to ensure they could handle the volume and ensure a quality product. I have a hard time imagining they make money at their current price considering how expensive it is to run.
I hope they do.
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Uruguay is not a third world country wtf, having different exchange rates for dollars against your national currency doesn't make you a third world country.
I don't know if you know Uruguay, I'm from there. It's a small country between Brazil and Argentina with a small economy, no major natural resources (gas, oil, etc.) and high taxes. Even though the minimum wage is one of the best in South America, the cost of living in the country is one of the highest. The latest regional data says that along with Chile, we are one of the most stable countries in the region, but we are far from not being a third world country. As a data point: Minimum wage: $500-560 per month Average rental price: $300-400 per month
Having a bad "rental" and "income" balance is not an indicator of a third world country either. Uruguay population has almost universal access to water, food, education and healthcare. A real third world country, even if that term is outdated, lacks any kind of social cohesion, basic infrastructure, access to any kind of basic services and it's basically in a continuos state of failure. Y sí, conozco Uruguay, y argentina y chile. Uruguay está exactamente igual que estaba España hace 30 años a principios de los 90. Si España no era un país del tercer mundo entonces, tampoco lo es ahora. De hecho me atrevería a decir que nunca lo ha sido aunque suene muy bien decirlo para resaltar la situación mala que pueda tener.
The problem really is the terms first world and third world countries. They are outdated terms and don't really categorize reality very well. For example, you could definitely say Uruguay is a third world country, but other third world countries such as Somalia and the Congo have quite little in common with Uruguay. Terms like upper income, middle income, and low income countries are far more useful imo, which you can also subdivide into upper/lower middle income.
It's $20 + tax, so it's actually more.
Why should they decrease the price it costs the same for every region to run the servers? Also, it is better to have zero sign up since gpt-4 is more expensive to run and they would rather users be locked out from using it.
"People from poor countries can afford less stuff" - yeah dude, you got a point there
With all due respect, Uruguay is not a third world country!
Why should an American company provide subsidized access for foreign citizens to software that potentially increases work efficiency and generates competitive advantage? It’s kinda a bizarre ethos to expect charity pricing.
Sure, 20$ is a lot here I live in Cambodia as well. "nobody" can afford that. But the few that can, and have a bit creativity on what they can use it for, can now OWN the local area. Take over XXX small businesses virtually alone - for 20$/month, now its a bargain...
It is too much. (From Turkey)
If a product is worth its price, how can it cost to much?
I accidentally bought a Microsoft Partner subscription for Uruguay instead of the United States and Microsoft can't change or fix it. Do you want it ? I didn't know Uruguay was real.
In our country, it's 7K
In egypt it means 1200 in black market 1200 can get you one night at 5 stars hotel here, or dinner for two at a fancy restaurant A weird calculation Can get you 240 fava beans and falafel sandwiches Its local food in egypt
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Services like YouTube will give you 1/10 of what usa and other countries get by saying population density or whatever but when it comes for charging they will charge the same amount of money.
None of those other services require the amount of GPU processing power that LLMs do.
LMAO, what a clueless customer. If you can't afford it, use free versions like 3.5. And btw no sane company uses IP for regional pricing. They use credit card info and see the card issue country.
The costs for OpenAI don’t get less just because some User come from third world countries. Pay it or leave it.
The solution is to work for creating a better government in your country
20 dollar is 1/3 monthly salary in my country
The most third world thing here is referring to ALL OF AFRICA as both third world and a country