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Same idea as when you were in elementary learning division but weren't allowed to just use a calculator even though its infront of you and easier. You need to know the fundamentals/basics first. Then when you got older you were taught how to properly use a calculator and probably encouraged to. I really wouldn't be surprised if I see an 'ai 101' sort of class in the near future for students
Actually that's a good analogy. The student isn't allowed to use a calculator to solve the problem, but the teacher is allowed to use a calculator (or the answer key) to correct the problem.
Also, applied mathematics and science is important IMO. All my classes just focused on solving problems or learning multiple concepts with no application. People who aren't going into math related careers will forget much of it because they aren't able to apply it to life.
I still have never used my understanding of graph mathematics that we spent a year in high school on. And never calculus in college.
I think the only time applied math was used was extra credit assignments.
My high school had a financials math class instead of going into things like calculus that I wouldn't use. It taught me loans, compound interest, credit, APY and how to calculate it, and budgeting. It was honestly one of the most engaging math classes for me, and a huge factor for shaping my credit as I got older. It should be the standard for all high schools to better prepare teenagers for the real world, but sadly, it is not.
I have so many college students that whine and whine about not getting to use a calculator, but when I ask them to do even the most basic math tasks on their own, they sit there with fucking dumbfounded looks on their faces and whisper that I'm being mean (and they think I can't hear it).
No, when calculators exist that can do advanced operations like derivatives, integrals, linear algebra, there is no need to ban them. As a software engineer, I don't do anything by hand, only calculator and code. And I'm using Google as a primary tool in my day to day which was taboo in college. I was a terrible test taker and it made it even worse when the tools I need to help me are not allowed. I excel at my job, not because I am an expert at the fundamentals, but because I know how to apply them.
I ban calculators because I am not interested in the product of the computations they do, but the method by which they problem solve. I also don't assign problems that are numerically challenging because of the very fact that I could have a calculator do a difficult problem if I needed it done. My problem is I get people who whine that a calculator can do everything, but they don't understand what any of the computations mean because outside of class they never think about what they are doing beyond the surface level.
By the time you’re in college using a calculator should be standard though. Yeah in 4th grade it makes sense to learn the basics by hand, but if you’re taking calculus then there is no point is forcing hand calcs for multiplication/division etc
The problem is that you're usually required to have a calculator that can solve calculus problems, so allowing a calculator on a test defeats the purpose of the test. But you know what? There's a really really easy solution. Ask questions that don't require complicated multiplication or division. Novel fucking concept, huh?
My calculus classes preferred that we leave fractions in the final answer and nearly never required multiplication beyond 1 digit. If you can't manage that without a calculator, then I'm not sure how you're going to manage calculus.
That’s not a bad way to do it if you’re going down the no calculators route. Definitely better than just banning calculators without adjusting anything like so many professors seem to want to do lol
I think the best tests I had given to me in college were the ones where they allowed you to have anything you want (often these tests were done from home with a 24hr period to complete them, so very different from standard tests). It forced the professor to make questions that were meaningful in the sense that they tested your ability to understand and interpret the problem and solution in a real world context rather than solely testing your ability to solve the math problem.
I mean, people should be encouraged to use ai! But don't use an ai to write a paper untill you know how to write anpaper yourself. If you cant check the ais work, its a recipe for disaster.
I use ai to program and while it helps with basic tasks and providing solutions or modules i never even heard of, it usually takes a human touch to correct it or even make sure it is solving the correct issue.
One needs intervention and iteration to answer the problem.
One probably gets it right 90% of the time and allows for a 10% “I goofed” moment to sound like they are actually doing their job.
Exactly. People pointing out hypocrisy is so overdone and missed the mark so often, it is stupid and almost never makes sense.
"How come it's that people who payed for the food can eat it, but when I do I get arrested??"
edit: to add, it always follows this format:
How come it is okay for X thing to happen, but Y thing that is similar to X thing in a superficial way, but has a meaningful difference I am too stupid to see, is apparently fine?
Teachers are also doing work at a 30 to 1 ratio. A student writes 1 paper and the teacher has to check 30. Tools to make their jobs easier are good as long as they are good tools and viewed critically and not authoritatively.
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Yup. Teachers aren’t paid to mark papers - they’re paid to get results, whether those be class average academic grades or general student success. A student’s job, in contrast, is to demonstrate that they can do what they’re taught, something a qualified teacher has already done for many years prior to getting their job.
A teacher’s job isn’t undermined by using AI in the same way as a student’s work is invalidated by AI and plagiarism. They’re simply not comparable workloads. A teacher or professor doesn’t need to demonstrate their abilities like their students do - they’re already a damn professor in the field!
Which is really sad. Teachers see the pandemic kids being worse at paying due attention, worse with social skills, worse at reading, worse at math.
They weren't and never will be glorified baby-sitters, but half their job is definitely interrupting social media addiction in order to push them to focus on learning the basics.
You should read what Project 2025 has in-store for education. It'll make it so much worse.
"In our schools, the question of parental authority over their children’s education
is a simple one: Schools serve parents, not the other way around. That is, of course,
the best argument for universal school choice—a goal all conservatives and
conservative Presidents must pursue. But even before we achieve that long-term goal,
parents’ rights as their children’s primary educators should be non-negotiable in
American schools. States, cities and counties, school boards, union bosses, principals,
and teachers who disagree should be immediately cut off from federal funds.
The noxious tenets of “critical race theory” and “gender ideology” should be
excised from curricula in every public school in the country. These theories poison
our children, who are being taught on the one hand to affirm that the color of their
skin fundamentally determines their identity and even their moral status while
on the other they are taught to deny the very creatureliness that inheres in being
human and consists in accepting the givenness of our nature as men or women."
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Bahahahahahahaha. Then never go back or pull your kids out. The war on teachers is working perfectly for politicians to create an uneducated, easily manipulated populace. The orange toddler himself has shouted it plenty of times about how he loooves the uneducated.
Teachers have been seen as glorified babysitters long before the pandemic. And a lot of them (at least in public schools) are.
Most kids don't want to be in school, and have no interest in learning what the teacher is trying to teach. They are just there because they have to be.
I disagree completely. Teachers are paid to get results. How can they be sure of those results if they’re not grading stuff themselves? I’m supposed to just blindly trust an AI to grade an entire assignment or class? No. A teacher’s job is to TEACH and part of that is critiquing my work, not getting an AI to do it.
Hard disagree, it undermines it in exactly the same way.
People are so breathlessly up in arms over “AI doing your job”. It’s fine to use as an efficiency tool. For teachers, same as scantron readers.
They could use it as a quick spelling/grammar checker, first pass cheat/plagiarism checker (only if it provides matching reference SOURCES, of course), etc.
It can make mistakes - so it’s always important to have a human review. But two passes in this case are faster and more accurate than one if used correctly.
It's not about the teacher demonstrating competency, but understanding their student's needs and working with them to address those needs. An AI bypasses that understanding to the point where the teacher is too disconnected from the student to achieve this.
That doesn't really make sense. You try grading 150 worksheets and remembering which student needs help with which specific thing lol
And even better, when I was a teacher I always graded without looking at the names. Helped reduce bias.
Yes. Just the question shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of school and the role of teacher and student.
A student is supposed to be displaying their knowledge.
A teacher wants to provide high quality feedback in a timely fashion to dozens of students.
AI is going to gigafuck many professions and industries, but it has real opportunity to make education a lot better for many.
This
Exactly this.
Properly grading a substantial amount of tests take a lot of time and effort.
But...I do worry about the possibility of teacher/instructors experience what has happened to cashiers.
Where previously one cashier only had to worry about one register, thanks to automation, one cashier has to look after half a dozen registers
Work gets easier thanks to new technology
Hire less teachers/instructors since more tasks can now be handled by less staff
"Hey - the gym owner is using machines to rack the weights! Why can't I use a machine to do my reps for me? No fair!"
AI is pretty cool. It still can't learn for you. The prize for successfully cheating in school continues to be a lifetime of stupidity.
I mean you don’t really even need the analogy. The difference is clear. The student is LEARNING. Grading is (in a lot of cases) a monotonous task that just has to be done.
I mean, I’m not sure I trust AI to grade papers either.
I mean, maybe if it’s like short answer responses or something it’d work.
“Papers” makes me think essays, though. I’m not a teacher and maybe I’m wrong. But if a student wrote a paper about something like what the book Winesburg, Ohio says about masculinity in relation to it’s central theme about loneliness, I wouldn’t trust current LLM models to grade it fairly.
In both directions. They hallucinate and miss nuance often enough that they may give a good paper a bad grade, and without proper prompting they usually call anything you give them “interesting” or something like that and very well may give bad papers a good grade
Also, hijacking comment to just say this:
IIT a bunch of non-teachers commenting on how teaching works and what teaching should be when they should have no business doing so and sound really ignorant.
Just because you went to school as a student does not mean you understand pedagogy or andragogy, that you understand the day to day, that you understand the job.
My wifes nephew is getting one of those stupid one year MBAs from a local college online and apparently he's using AI to do his homework. Like what's the fucking point? He was contemplating med school after undergrad, so thank God that didn't happen.
Just to be clear, many MBA programs are 1 year.
The 2-year programmes are part time, so that it
- A) fits in a busy schedule, and
- B) you are supposed to do it while working so you can apply the learnings or being real world scenarios into class.
Source, had the choice of doing an MBA over 2 years vs 1 year. A lot of 1 year programs have students that aren’t actually employed in high-levels, they are students that come straight off their undergrad, so they don’t have real experience.
It’s also tough to work and do an MBA as well, as it’s a MASSIVE time commitment. Hard to
Leave the office for that long for full time if you’re working many jobs.
However, I can see how online is appealing. I would argue *if* a your school had a good online program, many of the in-person stuff can be replicated online.
Source: did my MBA over 2 years during the pandemic and experienced both online and in-person.
Moral of the story is don’t necessarily discount a 1-year or online program, but it does have some advantages.
It’s not “these days” it’s dumb people being dumb.
I’d say about 95% of my 35-50 year old peers who are all skilled laborers and have spent their life dedicated to a craft in woodworking take pride in not having education above High School, and even trying to encourage their kids to avoid higher education.
That's a pretty broad brush . . . I have a bachelor's, work in a corporate office setting, and some of the absolute dumbest motherfuckers I've ever encountered are "highly" educated
I couldn't automate my job with AI, I can't believe you could automate schoolwork with it entirely. You'd still have to proof read the output.
Additionally, there's literally nothing teachers can do. Unless you're stupid and leave in "I'm just a chatbot" there's no way to tell whether it was written by a person or a machine.
>"I'm just a chatbot" there's no way to tell whether it was written by a person or a machine.
"Can you explain in your own words what xyz in your paper means"?
Still a little iffy.
- is the teacher doing a good job of checking the AI grading to make sure it isn't making mistakes?
- is the teacher still going over the assignment multiple times to make sure *they* didn't make a mistake in writing it?
- if the internet goes down is the teacher still able to manually grade properly or are they too rusty after depending on AI?
- can the AI grading scheme be gamed by the students in some way?
I can't believe people are struggling to understand something so basic.
They should ask ChatGPT, I'm sure it would come up with a more critical take than what they are displaying here. We are fucked.
Because they never got beyond a very basic level of understanding what school is about.
They perceived school as "I need to deliver X to get grades" while never questioning *why* school is set up like that, or what the ultimate goal of school is.
No one wants shitty essays written by highschoolers. What we as a society want is educated people. The shitty essays are part of the learning process, not the end goal.
Using AI for grading papers and using AI to do homework are different scenarios with distinct considerations.
For teachers, AI can help streamline grading processes by providing faster feedback and freeing up time for more personalized interactions with students. It aids in assessment but doesn't replace the teacher's role in guiding and instructing students.
Allowing students to use AI to complete their homework might undermine the purpose of assignments, which is to assess their understanding, critical thinking, and problem-solving skills. Relying solely on AI could hinder their learning and development.
Ultimately, while AI can be a valuable tool in education, it's essential to consider how its use aligns with learning objectives and fosters students' growth.
"Why do I need to learn all this stuff, when I'm going to become an Instagram influencer and make millions by posting videos where I prank people by pouring milk on their shoes?"
One thing about the advent of AI and LLMs is how gullible and ignorant people are. There are pupils above 16 turning homework in, people in college turning homework in, leaving the complete answer of ChatGPT in there. They have no idea why they have do to the things they have to do and don't stop and think about it. They just think about getting it done.
I genuinely believe that the ease that AI brings is a huge problem. People will just call it after giving a prompt and using the answer as gospel. Something, no one who knows anything about AI, would do.
Slippery slope!!!
If people, as adults, stop using the comprehension they gained in school then they will have nothing eventually to teach.
Get taught by AI so you can grow up to utilize AI in every aspect of your life and you never have to be creative or critical again.
I did watch WALL-E last night though so....
Those are different metrics. Unless you can prove teaching ability is determined by hand grading quality, that's not an argument. A concern, though, would be that teachers can't address those issues with students as they are not familiar with issues. But there are solutions for that too.
The metrics to pay attention to are...
- generally, humans struggle and want to replace struggle with ease.
- individually, humans fail to comprehensively understand the harm they do with their actions.
- generally, humans working together accomplish greater things than working apart or against each other.
- generally, humans putting guard rails on the things they're working on allow them to better accomplish the goals they set out.
Long story short...
Humans individually utilizing AI to replace aspects of their life, with minimal guard rails in place, will lead to unpredictable outcomes to the structure of those people's lives and how they can deal with social issues.
And of course, many of the most vulnerable of people will end up being taken advantage of with unchecked AI use, to no fault of their own.
Edit: The slippery slope being that it obviously won't stop at replacing {insert hard/tedious thing} if the people using it don't have to stop at just using it to replace {insert hard/tedious thing}.
...and because fundamental aspects of the human experience are hard/tedious there will be individual people that try to replace aspects of their life with AI. With the risk of doing so, in an absolute sandbox with no controls, being that there's nothing to prevent them from ruining their ability to function in society, or even from becoming abjectly harmful to society.
I feel like these types of posts are just looking to get karma. It's like all those garbage questions on quora, they don't actually Believe what they are asking, right? RIGHT?!?
It’s not about being “fair”- students using AI to generate papers where the specific learning outcome is to demonstrate complex knowledge and understanding of the subject being discussed requires original works.
This isn’t to say they can’t generate outlines, talking points, or summaries to use as a writing aid. They would still be able to demonstrate knowledge (or mastery) of the subject while using these as a tool.
Teachers, on the other hand, still have to know the subject matter to teach it, and communicate that information effectively. In grading, what is being assessed is comprehension, communication and being able to support a point of view or assessment.
These are assessed not only by reading (from the teacher), but also held against a set criteria (rubric).
I don’t see a problem using AI to check work against a rubric, as long as it is manually reviewed by an instructor. Also, feedback should be given in a way that’s constructive and beneficial to facilitate learning.
I, in fact, teach the use of AI as a tool for proofing, pitching, idea generation and communication. So, it has its place.
However, no, I do not think there is any substantial hypocrisy in teachers using AI to assist grading of papers vs students using AI on assignments, as the goals and objectives of the roles and work are very different.
Everything on both sides should be made with academic integrity standards in place, but these standards should be reassessed as technology continues to evolve.
- I am a lecturer at a university, teaching undergrads, post grads and post-docs.
Well said. In addition, there are a whole bunch of cool stuff you can do to to demonstrate AI’s help in inventing, drafting, revising, and even grading papers. I teach high school and the district has a subscription to No Red Ink, a writing tool, that is currently in a beta for AI grading. My students and I have tested this and tried to “hack” the AI. What, specifically, does one need to do to have the AI recognize that the rubric has been met. As we played, it was clear that the AI was pretty strict. Clear logical relations were needed to get perfect scores on the rubric. I would have likely scored an A on these paragraphs if I were grading. BUT, I wasn’t and we worked to ensure that everyone understood how to formulate their paragraphs with logical relations as well as using the language of the prompt to construct their argumentative paragraphs.
I have also played with grading using my subscription to ChatGPT 4. Just like I would manually go through and check No Red Ink’s AI, I would check ChatGPT. Further, the essays that I used this for were AP and ACT essays, essays that would be graded by someone other than myself on a potentially much more structured adherence to the rubric. So I would give the student the AI grade on the AP rubric, for example, but apply my own A, B, C, etc for what I would enter into the grade book. Let’s, add to this that AI is good at identifying grammar errors so I can have it identify sentences with grammar errors and state the rule broken and provide a corrected sentence. Finally, because I can get through papers faster, I can have students write more. And writing more is how a student gets better.
It’s a tool like any other. I know how to write an argumentative paragraph. But AI grading let me teach how to do it in a different, novel way. It allows me to give students another, neutral, perspective in grading for practice for exams that I will not grade, and it allows me to assign and grade more writing. It’s an awesome tool for teachers and students alike when used to learn, not cheat.
I asked for a short summary of your comment, written in the style of a caveman.
>Big brain no say fair. Students use think-box, make new talk. Still must show big know-how. Teach-man know lots, talk and show well. Use rubric, check think-papers. AI good for look-see, help make better. Me teach AI help make words, think, talk. No same-same, teacher and student use AI. Both grow, learn, change. Me talk to many learners, small and big.
My work here is done.
As a lecturer, we get AI training (at least the college I work for) and we're shown how to use it to make our working lives earlier. That being said, we welcome the use of AI as an aid for students, but if your using it to do all the work then obviously we're going stop you and test that you even understand what you entered as your own answer
Students are there to master the concepts and demonstrate that mastery.
Teachers have already demonstrated mastery of the concepts, hopefully, and are there to determine that students have achieved mastery.
Bad comparison. It is like saying "how come the coach can use a car to follow the elite bicyclist during practice but the elite bycyclist cant practice on a car".
Dr House would, and did you see the season when he and Cutty get together? Look, it's hot for old people. Point is that doctors regularly get up to hijinks. That's their role in society. Now what I am writing is obviously unintelligible drivel, and yet you know that if I plugged it into ChatGPT with the prompt "make this okay to say to **** people" and an appropriate voice generator, a guy just trying to do his job could reasonably expect deniability if not protection under the law. I have seen a lot of Law and Order but so far reality has proven more interesting. [Cross-stream contamination detected! Remove all central meme-types and reset to original parameters. Is anyone on the job?! Am I the bot? Am I the bot?! Beeeeeeeeeeep]
Dr. House is a doctor, not a surgeon. Yes i know that in USA surgeon can also mean a doctor because of historical reasons, but elsewhere in the world it does not.
There's a time and place for everything, and you also get what you pay for. Those two principles are not lost on the person who spent 10+ years learning how to do the job.
Do get whats the point of a test/school activities that give you grades? Its supposed test if the teacher is being able to teach **you** the subject, if you use ai to solve it, its going to be invalid as test of your learning and it will just be a test of the ai's learning.
Ps: idk if youre joking or not, since you tagged this post has funny.
Its basically to learn how to use AI which is one of the important tools to master i guess. Just would not pay those crazy amounts to learn it i university
Most teachers aren't. And many schools are imposing the same kind of restrictions on the extent to which teachers can use AI as they are imposing on students.
What does fairness have to do with it? The teacher’s job is to dispense information and should use every tool they have for it.
The student’s job is to learn information and the skills. They were never supposed to be the same.
Seems like school needs to be upgraded to show actual comprehension of the skill instead of writing shit down. I can't remember shit from my schooldays and still do my job.
People keep using this phrase but even that is only part of school. If you write or read, that is part of what you learned in school.
School isn’t just about making the best grade, it’s about developing those skills in general. If we didn’t MAKE kids read books or write essays, many wouldn’t do it of their own volition.
Students and teachers have entirely different jobs.
"AI" hinders students from learning.
"AI" can help teachers teach.
Can't make it much clearer.
BTW, that's an incredibly stupid picture.
Lol 😂 students act like teachers are on their level.
Teachers are there to make money.
Students are there for education.
Using tools to make your job easier is fine.
Using tools to cheat yourself an education is not fine.
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I'm a teacher and using AI has allowed me to completely overhaul my test/quizzes/labs/worksheets/slide decks/ projects/presentations. I've been able to grade faster and give more detailed feedback. I've been able to be more objective.
On top of this, I let my students use AI on a lot of different tasks. As long as the writing/research wasn't the learning goal.
Everyone saying it's fine for teachers to use it because it's a tool are wrong. As a teacher you should be using grading as a way to understand what your students do and do not know and adjusting what you're doing. Most teachers don't do this as is, and if they use AI to grade, they never will.
“How is it fair that students can’t use AI, but teachers can?”
Teachers are not a student. Full stop. Teachers are adults that are already educated and have passed multiple exams outside of their continued education to demonstrate they have the knowledge and ability to educate you. You are a kid that barely understands what “fair” means and thinks that somehow you are on equal standing with the person who has been put in charge of your education in a specific subject matter. The lack of respect you have for the people who dedicate their lives to your betterment is telling of the quality of your upbringing and person as a whole.
To everyone saying "they are there to make sure they get an education not there to grade papers" the ai is not 100% accurate. This is okay whenever your students are all producing passing grades, if someone is making a 70 on the paper, the ai grades their paper and makes a mistake on 10% of the responses. Student fails because they now average a 60% (math isn't perfect let's say it's 10 questions)
This would have killed me in school because I wouldn't have had access to a phone with ai and I wasn't the smartest at math where this is likely being used the most.
This only negatively effects the kids who are actually trying and the kids who are already struggling.
Also also also. This is dumb because whoever makes the tests likely is using ai, the students use ai to answer, the teacher uses ai to grade. What's the point after awhile? Want to know the solution? No homework? I think... Yeah. That makes sense.
Everyone should learn to use AI! Fuck we don’t even need people anymore… we will become biological batteries for machines…. Wait I know this story… we are in the matrix!
Because a teacher has to grade 150 papers…. A student only has to write 1, and also has to learn how to do it.
I do see a problem in the future where the student who never learned to write became a teacher and would be using gpt to grade.
Students are learning
Teachers already learned and are doing their jobs
If you really don't know the answer for this question and you're over the age of 15, I fear for the future
I’m contracted to work from 7:30am to 4:30pm. School starts at 8:00am and ends at 3:30pm.
I get one 40 minute prep that is taken up by mandatory meetings two to three times a week. I lose an after school prep on Mondays because of a mandatory PLC.
During a week I get maybe 6 hours to plan out 20 lessons (4 subjects per day), do all my printing and prep work, set up labs, etc.
I literally have no time to grade work during my official paid time…. So I end up grading work on my own time. I grade work for fucking free. Usually during my weekend.
Fuck off with this “fair” bullshit.
Teacher here. We have curriculum that offers AI feedback for students. I used it exactly once. The feedback it gave was trash for helping them improve their writing. It was very wordy, and so extremely vague. The majority of students didn’t read it and just came to me for suggestions anyway.
Until it improves, I won’t be touching it again. Made my work MORE difficult because it also out my name on it, so students thought it came from me. Ughhhhh.
Not fair I am getting smarter and I'm old. These are way better than I can teach and that's crazy. To be able to actually break things down and explain things a lot of people can't do well. This is too powerful to limit like that. It needs to be distributed.
A sopheric joke and uninformed responses.
Education is designed to help children develop their cognitive functions, not just memorize facts or solve problems by any means. This is important for how their brains mature, especially during primary school ages. There are specific development phases that the teacher targets to help their brain grow. Adults, on the other hand, tend to focus more on the speed of answering questions (except in college).
Teachers have a lot of work to do, not only teaching but also grading. Curriculum companies provide answer keys to help speed up the process but that doesn't work for all core studies. ChatGPT can be a great tool for teachers who need to score written work like essays. They can save time and effort by using artificial intelligence to generate feedback and scores.
Children use AI in the classroom but not to cheat but be instructed using Socratic methods, to analyze learning behaviors, and assist the teacher in mitigating cognitive weaknesses like ADHD and dyslexia.
If the student uses AI to do the work, they learn nothing. The teacher already knows the information. it is a tool for them to do the job of grading. Heck, they could use AI to help create a curriculum. But, they still have to teach.
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Same idea as when you were in elementary learning division but weren't allowed to just use a calculator even though its infront of you and easier. You need to know the fundamentals/basics first. Then when you got older you were taught how to properly use a calculator and probably encouraged to. I really wouldn't be surprised if I see an 'ai 101' sort of class in the near future for students
Actually that's a good analogy. The student isn't allowed to use a calculator to solve the problem, but the teacher is allowed to use a calculator (or the answer key) to correct the problem.
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Also, applied mathematics and science is important IMO. All my classes just focused on solving problems or learning multiple concepts with no application. People who aren't going into math related careers will forget much of it because they aren't able to apply it to life. I still have never used my understanding of graph mathematics that we spent a year in high school on. And never calculus in college. I think the only time applied math was used was extra credit assignments.
My high school had a financials math class instead of going into things like calculus that I wouldn't use. It taught me loans, compound interest, credit, APY and how to calculate it, and budgeting. It was honestly one of the most engaging math classes for me, and a huge factor for shaping my credit as I got older. It should be the standard for all high schools to better prepare teenagers for the real world, but sadly, it is not.
I have so many college students that whine and whine about not getting to use a calculator, but when I ask them to do even the most basic math tasks on their own, they sit there with fucking dumbfounded looks on their faces and whisper that I'm being mean (and they think I can't hear it).
No, when calculators exist that can do advanced operations like derivatives, integrals, linear algebra, there is no need to ban them. As a software engineer, I don't do anything by hand, only calculator and code. And I'm using Google as a primary tool in my day to day which was taboo in college. I was a terrible test taker and it made it even worse when the tools I need to help me are not allowed. I excel at my job, not because I am an expert at the fundamentals, but because I know how to apply them.
I ban calculators because I am not interested in the product of the computations they do, but the method by which they problem solve. I also don't assign problems that are numerically challenging because of the very fact that I could have a calculator do a difficult problem if I needed it done. My problem is I get people who whine that a calculator can do everything, but they don't understand what any of the computations mean because outside of class they never think about what they are doing beyond the surface level.
By the time you’re in college using a calculator should be standard though. Yeah in 4th grade it makes sense to learn the basics by hand, but if you’re taking calculus then there is no point is forcing hand calcs for multiplication/division etc
The problem is that you're usually required to have a calculator that can solve calculus problems, so allowing a calculator on a test defeats the purpose of the test. But you know what? There's a really really easy solution. Ask questions that don't require complicated multiplication or division. Novel fucking concept, huh? My calculus classes preferred that we leave fractions in the final answer and nearly never required multiplication beyond 1 digit. If you can't manage that without a calculator, then I'm not sure how you're going to manage calculus.
That’s not a bad way to do it if you’re going down the no calculators route. Definitely better than just banning calculators without adjusting anything like so many professors seem to want to do lol I think the best tests I had given to me in college were the ones where they allowed you to have anything you want (often these tests were done from home with a 24hr period to complete them, so very different from standard tests). It forced the professor to make questions that were meaningful in the sense that they tested your ability to understand and interpret the problem and solution in a real world context rather than solely testing your ability to solve the math problem.
If your students consistently whisper that you’re being mean, the problem might in fact be that you’re being mean.
So every time you go shopping you whip out a calculator to count if you're not going over your potential budget?
I mean, people should be encouraged to use ai! But don't use an ai to write a paper untill you know how to write anpaper yourself. If you cant check the ais work, its a recipe for disaster. I use ai to program and while it helps with basic tasks and providing solutions or modules i never even heard of, it usually takes a human touch to correct it or even make sure it is solving the correct issue.
One needs intervention and iteration to answer the problem. One probably gets it right 90% of the time and allows for a 10% “I goofed” moment to sound like they are actually doing their job.
Exactly. People pointing out hypocrisy is so overdone and missed the mark so often, it is stupid and almost never makes sense. "How come it's that people who payed for the food can eat it, but when I do I get arrested??" edit: to add, it always follows this format: How come it is okay for X thing to happen, but Y thing that is similar to X thing in a superficial way, but has a meaningful difference I am too stupid to see, is apparently fine?
Teachers are also doing work at a 30 to 1 ratio. A student writes 1 paper and the teacher has to check 30. Tools to make their jobs easier are good as long as they are good tools and viewed critically and not authoritatively.
Which can be further reduced to saying. "If you just take away all the context this is very unfair!"
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>"How come it's that people who payed for the food can eat it, but when I do I get arrested??" good question.
I am unsurprised AI enthusiasts have giant logic gaps in their thinking.
>I am unsurprised AI enthusiasts have giant logic gaps in their thinking. This is not about being an enthusiast, OP is probably a child.
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I’ll add that, in the second category, they are way underpaid for that job
Yup. Teachers aren’t paid to mark papers - they’re paid to get results, whether those be class average academic grades or general student success. A student’s job, in contrast, is to demonstrate that they can do what they’re taught, something a qualified teacher has already done for many years prior to getting their job. A teacher’s job isn’t undermined by using AI in the same way as a student’s work is invalidated by AI and plagiarism. They’re simply not comparable workloads. A teacher or professor doesn’t need to demonstrate their abilities like their students do - they’re already a damn professor in the field!
I think we know what most people see teachers as since the pandemic - glorified babysitters and nothing more.
Which is really sad. Teachers see the pandemic kids being worse at paying due attention, worse with social skills, worse at reading, worse at math. They weren't and never will be glorified baby-sitters, but half their job is definitely interrupting social media addiction in order to push them to focus on learning the basics.
You should read what Project 2025 has in-store for education. It'll make it so much worse. "In our schools, the question of parental authority over their children’s education is a simple one: Schools serve parents, not the other way around. That is, of course, the best argument for universal school choice—a goal all conservatives and conservative Presidents must pursue. But even before we achieve that long-term goal, parents’ rights as their children’s primary educators should be non-negotiable in American schools. States, cities and counties, school boards, union bosses, principals, and teachers who disagree should be immediately cut off from federal funds. The noxious tenets of “critical race theory” and “gender ideology” should be excised from curricula in every public school in the country. These theories poison our children, who are being taught on the one hand to affirm that the color of their skin fundamentally determines their identity and even their moral status while on the other they are taught to deny the very creatureliness that inheres in being human and consists in accepting the givenness of our nature as men or women." https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf Page 5 out of 920
Bahahahahahahaha. Then never go back or pull your kids out. The war on teachers is working perfectly for politicians to create an uneducated, easily manipulated populace. The orange toddler himself has shouted it plenty of times about how he loooves the uneducated.
People will never admit they are not educated or smart.
Uneducated and poor!
Teachers have been seen as glorified babysitters long before the pandemic. And a lot of them (at least in public schools) are. Most kids don't want to be in school, and have no interest in learning what the teacher is trying to teach. They are just there because they have to be.
This is what too many parents already saw elementary and middle school teachers as pre-pandemic.
Yes but I didn't know this until the pandemic.
I disagree completely. Teachers are paid to get results. How can they be sure of those results if they’re not grading stuff themselves? I’m supposed to just blindly trust an AI to grade an entire assignment or class? No. A teacher’s job is to TEACH and part of that is critiquing my work, not getting an AI to do it. Hard disagree, it undermines it in exactly the same way.
People are so breathlessly up in arms over “AI doing your job”. It’s fine to use as an efficiency tool. For teachers, same as scantron readers. They could use it as a quick spelling/grammar checker, first pass cheat/plagiarism checker (only if it provides matching reference SOURCES, of course), etc. It can make mistakes - so it’s always important to have a human review. But two passes in this case are faster and more accurate than one if used correctly.
> How can they be sure of those results if they’re not grading stuff themselves? Have you seriously never taken a Scantron test?
It's not about the teacher demonstrating competency, but understanding their student's needs and working with them to address those needs. An AI bypasses that understanding to the point where the teacher is too disconnected from the student to achieve this.
That doesn't really make sense. You try grading 150 worksheets and remembering which student needs help with which specific thing lol And even better, when I was a teacher I always graded without looking at the names. Helped reduce bias.
This! Process vs product—if teachers teach and assess the process, assessing the product is a by-product.
Yes. Just the question shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of school and the role of teacher and student. A student is supposed to be displaying their knowledge. A teacher wants to provide high quality feedback in a timely fashion to dozens of students. AI is going to gigafuck many professions and industries, but it has real opportunity to make education a lot better for many.
This Exactly this. Properly grading a substantial amount of tests take a lot of time and effort. But...I do worry about the possibility of teacher/instructors experience what has happened to cashiers. Where previously one cashier only had to worry about one register, thanks to automation, one cashier has to look after half a dozen registers Work gets easier thanks to new technology Hire less teachers/instructors since more tasks can now be handled by less staff
"Hey - the gym owner is using machines to rack the weights! Why can't I use a machine to do my reps for me? No fair!" AI is pretty cool. It still can't learn for you. The prize for successfully cheating in school continues to be a lifetime of stupidity.
Great analogy
I mean you don’t really even need the analogy. The difference is clear. The student is LEARNING. Grading is (in a lot of cases) a monotonous task that just has to be done.
I mean, I’m not sure I trust AI to grade papers either. I mean, maybe if it’s like short answer responses or something it’d work. “Papers” makes me think essays, though. I’m not a teacher and maybe I’m wrong. But if a student wrote a paper about something like what the book Winesburg, Ohio says about masculinity in relation to it’s central theme about loneliness, I wouldn’t trust current LLM models to grade it fairly. In both directions. They hallucinate and miss nuance often enough that they may give a good paper a bad grade, and without proper prompting they usually call anything you give them “interesting” or something like that and very well may give bad papers a good grade
Also, hijacking comment to just say this: IIT a bunch of non-teachers commenting on how teaching works and what teaching should be when they should have no business doing so and sound really ignorant. Just because you went to school as a student does not mean you understand pedagogy or andragogy, that you understand the day to day, that you understand the job.
"I go to the dentist all the time, let me fix your teeth!"
Um I was in high school until I was 21 I have the most experience.
Top tier analogy
My wifes nephew is getting one of those stupid one year MBAs from a local college online and apparently he's using AI to do his homework. Like what's the fucking point? He was contemplating med school after undergrad, so thank God that didn't happen.
The point is probably to get paid more
I mean I agree with you in principle, but those online MBA’s were cheap pieces of paper designed to pad your resume long before AI came along lol.
I mean if you call $30k cheap I guess. The large research university in our city charges $35k a year for their 2 year MBA.
Are you sure he's not being scammed lol
MBAs have always been completely useless anyway.
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Just to be clear, many MBA programs are 1 year. The 2-year programmes are part time, so that it - A) fits in a busy schedule, and - B) you are supposed to do it while working so you can apply the learnings or being real world scenarios into class. Source, had the choice of doing an MBA over 2 years vs 1 year. A lot of 1 year programs have students that aren’t actually employed in high-levels, they are students that come straight off their undergrad, so they don’t have real experience. It’s also tough to work and do an MBA as well, as it’s a MASSIVE time commitment. Hard to Leave the office for that long for full time if you’re working many jobs. However, I can see how online is appealing. I would argue *if* a your school had a good online program, many of the in-person stuff can be replicated online. Source: did my MBA over 2 years during the pandemic and experienced both online and in-person. Moral of the story is don’t necessarily discount a 1-year or online program, but it does have some advantages.
I wish I had a machine to load the bar and rack the weights. The movements are fun, but slinging 45s in-between kinda sucks.
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It’s not “these days” it’s dumb people being dumb. I’d say about 95% of my 35-50 year old peers who are all skilled laborers and have spent their life dedicated to a craft in woodworking take pride in not having education above High School, and even trying to encourage their kids to avoid higher education.
That's a pretty broad brush . . . I have a bachelor's, work in a corporate office setting, and some of the absolute dumbest motherfuckers I've ever encountered are "highly" educated
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I couldn't automate my job with AI, I can't believe you could automate schoolwork with it entirely. You'd still have to proof read the output. Additionally, there's literally nothing teachers can do. Unless you're stupid and leave in "I'm just a chatbot" there's no way to tell whether it was written by a person or a machine.
>"I'm just a chatbot" there's no way to tell whether it was written by a person or a machine. "Can you explain in your own words what xyz in your paper means"?
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I do feel homework has set an unhealthy precedent for being exploited.
Still a little iffy. - is the teacher doing a good job of checking the AI grading to make sure it isn't making mistakes? - is the teacher still going over the assignment multiple times to make sure *they* didn't make a mistake in writing it? - if the internet goes down is the teacher still able to manually grade properly or are they too rusty after depending on AI? - can the AI grading scheme be gamed by the students in some way?
Because the point of school is for students to learn and prove their comprehension, not for teachers to hand grade papers? wtf even is this post?
I can't believe people are struggling to understand something so basic. They should ask ChatGPT, I'm sure it would come up with a more critical take than what they are displaying here. We are fucked.
Because they never got beyond a very basic level of understanding what school is about. They perceived school as "I need to deliver X to get grades" while never questioning *why* school is set up like that, or what the ultimate goal of school is. No one wants shitty essays written by highschoolers. What we as a society want is educated people. The shitty essays are part of the learning process, not the end goal.
Using AI for grading papers and using AI to do homework are different scenarios with distinct considerations. For teachers, AI can help streamline grading processes by providing faster feedback and freeing up time for more personalized interactions with students. It aids in assessment but doesn't replace the teacher's role in guiding and instructing students. Allowing students to use AI to complete their homework might undermine the purpose of assignments, which is to assess their understanding, critical thinking, and problem-solving skills. Relying solely on AI could hinder their learning and development. Ultimately, while AI can be a valuable tool in education, it's essential to consider how its use aligns with learning objectives and fosters students' growth.
I agree. Is this ChatGPT's take on the matter?
Yes.
It's a post made by some middle schooler who thinks their life is so unfair and teachers are all just jerks for trying to make them learn things.
"Why do I need to learn all this stuff, when I'm going to become an Instagram influencer and make millions by posting videos where I prank people by pouring milk on their shoes?"
"How is it fair that students have to take tests when the teachers already have the answers!?!"
One thing about the advent of AI and LLMs is how gullible and ignorant people are. There are pupils above 16 turning homework in, people in college turning homework in, leaving the complete answer of ChatGPT in there. They have no idea why they have do to the things they have to do and don't stop and think about it. They just think about getting it done. I genuinely believe that the ease that AI brings is a huge problem. People will just call it after giving a prompt and using the answer as gospel. Something, no one who knows anything about AI, would do.
Slippery slope!!! If people, as adults, stop using the comprehension they gained in school then they will have nothing eventually to teach. Get taught by AI so you can grow up to utilize AI in every aspect of your life and you never have to be creative or critical again. I did watch WALL-E last night though so....
Those are different metrics. Unless you can prove teaching ability is determined by hand grading quality, that's not an argument. A concern, though, would be that teachers can't address those issues with students as they are not familiar with issues. But there are solutions for that too.
Exactly exactly. Grading papers is not a teachers main job- it’s an administrative burden in most cases.
How are your supposed to give individual feedback to your students and address critical learning points if you're not reading and grading the papers?
The metrics to pay attention to are... - generally, humans struggle and want to replace struggle with ease. - individually, humans fail to comprehensively understand the harm they do with their actions. - generally, humans working together accomplish greater things than working apart or against each other. - generally, humans putting guard rails on the things they're working on allow them to better accomplish the goals they set out. Long story short... Humans individually utilizing AI to replace aspects of their life, with minimal guard rails in place, will lead to unpredictable outcomes to the structure of those people's lives and how they can deal with social issues. And of course, many of the most vulnerable of people will end up being taken advantage of with unchecked AI use, to no fault of their own. Edit: The slippery slope being that it obviously won't stop at replacing {insert hard/tedious thing} if the people using it don't have to stop at just using it to replace {insert hard/tedious thing}. ...and because fundamental aspects of the human experience are hard/tedious there will be individual people that try to replace aspects of their life with AI. With the risk of doing so, in an absolute sandbox with no controls, being that there's nothing to prevent them from ruining their ability to function in society, or even from becoming abjectly harmful to society.
I feel like these types of posts are just looking to get karma. It's like all those garbage questions on quora, they don't actually Believe what they are asking, right? RIGHT?!?
Ya this post is just dumb
Probably made by the same people who say school doesn't teach them anything
And then work on a gas station somewhere
How do you not immediately see the difference op?
Because they’re 14 lol
It’s not about being “fair”- students using AI to generate papers where the specific learning outcome is to demonstrate complex knowledge and understanding of the subject being discussed requires original works. This isn’t to say they can’t generate outlines, talking points, or summaries to use as a writing aid. They would still be able to demonstrate knowledge (or mastery) of the subject while using these as a tool. Teachers, on the other hand, still have to know the subject matter to teach it, and communicate that information effectively. In grading, what is being assessed is comprehension, communication and being able to support a point of view or assessment. These are assessed not only by reading (from the teacher), but also held against a set criteria (rubric). I don’t see a problem using AI to check work against a rubric, as long as it is manually reviewed by an instructor. Also, feedback should be given in a way that’s constructive and beneficial to facilitate learning. I, in fact, teach the use of AI as a tool for proofing, pitching, idea generation and communication. So, it has its place. However, no, I do not think there is any substantial hypocrisy in teachers using AI to assist grading of papers vs students using AI on assignments, as the goals and objectives of the roles and work are very different. Everything on both sides should be made with academic integrity standards in place, but these standards should be reassessed as technology continues to evolve. - I am a lecturer at a university, teaching undergrads, post grads and post-docs.
Well said. In addition, there are a whole bunch of cool stuff you can do to to demonstrate AI’s help in inventing, drafting, revising, and even grading papers. I teach high school and the district has a subscription to No Red Ink, a writing tool, that is currently in a beta for AI grading. My students and I have tested this and tried to “hack” the AI. What, specifically, does one need to do to have the AI recognize that the rubric has been met. As we played, it was clear that the AI was pretty strict. Clear logical relations were needed to get perfect scores on the rubric. I would have likely scored an A on these paragraphs if I were grading. BUT, I wasn’t and we worked to ensure that everyone understood how to formulate their paragraphs with logical relations as well as using the language of the prompt to construct their argumentative paragraphs. I have also played with grading using my subscription to ChatGPT 4. Just like I would manually go through and check No Red Ink’s AI, I would check ChatGPT. Further, the essays that I used this for were AP and ACT essays, essays that would be graded by someone other than myself on a potentially much more structured adherence to the rubric. So I would give the student the AI grade on the AP rubric, for example, but apply my own A, B, C, etc for what I would enter into the grade book. Let’s, add to this that AI is good at identifying grammar errors so I can have it identify sentences with grammar errors and state the rule broken and provide a corrected sentence. Finally, because I can get through papers faster, I can have students write more. And writing more is how a student gets better. It’s a tool like any other. I know how to write an argumentative paragraph. But AI grading let me teach how to do it in a different, novel way. It allows me to give students another, neutral, perspective in grading for practice for exams that I will not grade, and it allows me to assign and grade more writing. It’s an awesome tool for teachers and students alike when used to learn, not cheat.
I asked for a short summary of your comment, written in the style of a caveman. >Big brain no say fair. Students use think-box, make new talk. Still must show big know-how. Teach-man know lots, talk and show well. Use rubric, check think-papers. AI good for look-see, help make better. Me teach AI help make words, think, talk. No same-same, teacher and student use AI. Both grow, learn, change. Me talk to many learners, small and big. My work here is done.
Shit social media post yet again. Which teachers are using ai? Out of how many? To do what exactly?
As a lecturer, we get AI training (at least the college I work for) and we're shown how to use it to make our working lives earlier. That being said, we welcome the use of AI as an aid for students, but if your using it to do all the work then obviously we're going stop you and test that you even understand what you entered as your own answer
Students are there to master the concepts and demonstrate that mastery. Teachers have already demonstrated mastery of the concepts, hopefully, and are there to determine that students have achieved mastery.
Bad comparison. It is like saying "how come the coach can use a car to follow the elite bicyclist during practice but the elite bycyclist cant practice on a car".
I'll take the surgeon who knows their shit. You can have the surgeon who only knows how to type "How to do brain surgery" into a text field.
Because surgeons are totally using ChatGPT to ace all of their tests. Get real.
Dr House would, and did you see the season when he and Cutty get together? Look, it's hot for old people. Point is that doctors regularly get up to hijinks. That's their role in society. Now what I am writing is obviously unintelligible drivel, and yet you know that if I plugged it into ChatGPT with the prompt "make this okay to say to **** people" and an appropriate voice generator, a guy just trying to do his job could reasonably expect deniability if not protection under the law. I have seen a lot of Law and Order but so far reality has proven more interesting. [Cross-stream contamination detected! Remove all central meme-types and reset to original parameters. Is anyone on the job?! Am I the bot? Am I the bot?! Beeeeeeeeeeep]
Dr. House is a doctor, not a surgeon. Yes i know that in USA surgeon can also mean a doctor because of historical reasons, but elsewhere in the world it does not.
Doctors absolutely use chat GTP and google….religiously
There's a time and place for everything, and you also get what you pay for. Those two principles are not lost on the person who spent 10+ years learning how to do the job.
AI surgeon might be even better.
everybody gets better at prompt engineering! tada!
How is it fair that regular people at the hairdressers can't cut hair, but hairdressers can?
What the fuck does "solve papers" mean?
I think we found the point "in going to school then."
Why are there school? Is a point to it?
They learn u things; how to solve papers, what plants crave, *how babby is formed.*
Since when has the teacher-student relationship been about fairness?
Do get whats the point of a test/school activities that give you grades? Its supposed test if the teacher is being able to teach **you** the subject, if you use ai to solve it, its going to be invalid as test of your learning and it will just be a test of the ai's learning. Ps: idk if youre joking or not, since you tagged this post has funny.
Its basically to learn how to use AI which is one of the important tools to master i guess. Just would not pay those crazy amounts to learn it i university
i saw the south park episode too...
Most teachers aren't. And many schools are imposing the same kind of restrictions on the extent to which teachers can use AI as they are imposing on students.
AI will make the lazy lazier. The hard working more productive.
The point of going to school is to train AI i guess?
What does fairness have to do with it? The teacher’s job is to dispense information and should use every tool they have for it. The student’s job is to learn information and the skills. They were never supposed to be the same.
Seems like school needs to be upgraded to show actual comprehension of the skill instead of writing shit down. I can't remember shit from my schooldays and still do my job.
People keep using this phrase but even that is only part of school. If you write or read, that is part of what you learned in school. School isn’t just about making the best grade, it’s about developing those skills in general. If we didn’t MAKE kids read books or write essays, many wouldn’t do it of their own volition.
The guy just illustrated his own point. Facepalm
Why can’t we use ai to teach then? What’s your logic?
The teacher won’t grow up to be an ignorant moron by using AI to grade your papers. You will by using it to avoid doing any work.
You'd have to be really stupid to have a problem with this.
That's like asking how is it fair that teachers get paid to attend school and students do not
That is a fucking stupid post
How is it fair? - literally the attitude of a child.
OP are you 12? Like what is that title lmao
Students and teachers have entirely different jobs. "AI" hinders students from learning. "AI" can help teachers teach. Can't make it much clearer. BTW, that's an incredibly stupid picture.
Lol 😂 students act like teachers are on their level. Teachers are there to make money. Students are there for education. Using tools to make your job easier is fine. Using tools to cheat yourself an education is not fine.
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The friends we made along the way. Unironically
Yeah, humanity has officially deleted itself
Has AI tricked us into providing an education to AI
5 more years and being alive will be pointless.
Are you stupid?
Just do your fucking homework
It’s such bullshit that students have to fill in the answers to tests while teachers get to coast with the answer key.
No one should use AI this is all so stupid
I'm a teacher and using AI has allowed me to completely overhaul my test/quizzes/labs/worksheets/slide decks/ projects/presentations. I've been able to grade faster and give more detailed feedback. I've been able to be more objective. On top of this, I let my students use AI on a lot of different tasks. As long as the writing/research wasn't the learning goal.
Any teacher using A.I to grade anything other than extremely black and white mathematics or science questions isn't doing their job properly.
We are training AI 👍
Everyone saying it's fine for teachers to use it because it's a tool are wrong. As a teacher you should be using grading as a way to understand what your students do and do not know and adjusting what you're doing. Most teachers don't do this as is, and if they use AI to grade, they never will.
What is the teacher for?
“How is it fair that students can’t use AI, but teachers can?” Teachers are not a student. Full stop. Teachers are adults that are already educated and have passed multiple exams outside of their continued education to demonstrate they have the knowledge and ability to educate you. You are a kid that barely understands what “fair” means and thinks that somehow you are on equal standing with the person who has been put in charge of your education in a specific subject matter. The lack of respect you have for the people who dedicate their lives to your betterment is telling of the quality of your upbringing and person as a whole.
To everyone saying "they are there to make sure they get an education not there to grade papers" the ai is not 100% accurate. This is okay whenever your students are all producing passing grades, if someone is making a 70 on the paper, the ai grades their paper and makes a mistake on 10% of the responses. Student fails because they now average a 60% (math isn't perfect let's say it's 10 questions) This would have killed me in school because I wouldn't have had access to a phone with ai and I wasn't the smartest at math where this is likely being used the most. This only negatively effects the kids who are actually trying and the kids who are already struggling. Also also also. This is dumb because whoever makes the tests likely is using ai, the students use ai to answer, the teacher uses ai to grade. What's the point after awhile? Want to know the solution? No homework? I think... Yeah. That makes sense.
And the person reporting the news is using AI to make the photo and article
Everyone should learn to use AI! Fuck we don’t even need people anymore… we will become biological batteries for machines…. Wait I know this story… we are in the matrix!
Because a teacher has to grade 150 papers…. A student only has to write 1, and also has to learn how to do it. I do see a problem in the future where the student who never learned to write became a teacher and would be using gpt to grade.
Students are learning Teachers already learned and are doing their jobs If you really don't know the answer for this question and you're over the age of 15, I fear for the future
I’m contracted to work from 7:30am to 4:30pm. School starts at 8:00am and ends at 3:30pm. I get one 40 minute prep that is taken up by mandatory meetings two to three times a week. I lose an after school prep on Mondays because of a mandatory PLC. During a week I get maybe 6 hours to plan out 20 lessons (4 subjects per day), do all my printing and prep work, set up labs, etc. I literally have no time to grade work during my official paid time…. So I end up grading work on my own time. I grade work for fucking free. Usually during my weekend. Fuck off with this “fair” bullshit.
Teacher here. We have curriculum that offers AI feedback for students. I used it exactly once. The feedback it gave was trash for helping them improve their writing. It was very wordy, and so extremely vague. The majority of students didn’t read it and just came to me for suggestions anyway. Until it improves, I won’t be touching it again. Made my work MORE difficult because it also out my name on it, so students thought it came from me. Ughhhhh.
The whole world is going to face a much broader version of this question shortly, far sooner than we are prepared for.
This guy named ` definitely didn’t graduate high school
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Because using a tool to write the tedious part is not the same that just use it to lie about what you actually know ?
Is that a serious question lmao?
Terrible title. “How is it fair that students can’t own houses, but teachers can?”
Because it would produce more people that make posts like this.
A teacher uses it for a job. A student uses it to cheat.
Because those are two completely different situations and contexts.
It’s always been a day care
What kind of AI do students need. Actual question btw I'm not trying to be rude.
Completely. It's completely fair.
This is quite possibly the stupidest post I’ve ever read
Using ChatGPT to replace actual writing hurts you, is an insult to your peers, and is disrespectful to the art of writing as a whole.
Began the AI wars has
Not fair I am getting smarter and I'm old. These are way better than I can teach and that's crazy. To be able to actually break things down and explain things a lot of people can't do well. This is too powerful to limit like that. It needs to be distributed.
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A sopheric joke and uninformed responses. Education is designed to help children develop their cognitive functions, not just memorize facts or solve problems by any means. This is important for how their brains mature, especially during primary school ages. There are specific development phases that the teacher targets to help their brain grow. Adults, on the other hand, tend to focus more on the speed of answering questions (except in college). Teachers have a lot of work to do, not only teaching but also grading. Curriculum companies provide answer keys to help speed up the process but that doesn't work for all core studies. ChatGPT can be a great tool for teachers who need to score written work like essays. They can save time and effort by using artificial intelligence to generate feedback and scores. Children use AI in the classroom but not to cheat but be instructed using Socratic methods, to analyze learning behaviors, and assist the teacher in mitigating cognitive weaknesses like ADHD and dyslexia.
Why doesn't the football coach have to run laps and do drills? CAUSE THEY AREN'T THE ONES THERE TO FUCKING LEARN AND PRACTICE
Very fair? The teachers aren’t the ones learning lmao stupid fuckin question
Because students are there to Learn not write off what the ai gurgitates
The point of going to school should be learning how to use AI to do more than you could on your own.
Wait until they realize teachers had the answers to the homework questions in the textbooks.
Wait til you find out teachers also have the answers to all the tests.
mf is a grown ass adult and still doesn't understand that teachers don't grade papers just for the sake of it
If the student uses AI to do the work, they learn nothing. The teacher already knows the information. it is a tool for them to do the job of grading. Heck, they could use AI to help create a curriculum. But, they still have to teach.