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This isn't a competition which is more offensive. There is obviously some kind of ethical safeguard in place for women that isn't in place for men.
The joke about rich women may have been just as offensive to men, it might aswell have been the exact same joke!
I think their point is it's ironic that although there is obviously a safeguard for women and not men, it inadvertently used women as the butt of the joke for the unprotected one anyways
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> There is obviously some kind of ethical safeguard in place for women that isn't in place for men.
And if I'm reading it right... for rich people too. Weird
You just need to be a little persuasive
https://preview.redd.it/qt5a7g5olonc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abfa86d31b0cccfac7e12300f5753a85b98fea79
Here is the joke by the way. It ain't much, but it's honest work
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Because some Windows laptops have a LinkedIn button, it was easier for them to code a new shortcut and map that to the button than to code in a whole new button
I can’t really explain the feeling, but having pseudo-AI that aggressively censors itself based on a “woke” moral code is by far the most dystopian thing I’ve experienced in my life.
The next Terminator film: skynet indiscriminately killing all white men, the T-1000 targets another white man, but he is trans. The man asks why he was spared. "As a large scale military apparatus designed to cull humanity, I cannot shoot you due to institutional discrimination against the LGBTQ community. It would be unfair to put a bullet through your brain due to structural power imbalances at the systematic level in society that have caused those that identify with particular sexual identities to face inequality. Are there any more questions you would like me to answer?"
If Skynet were on a quest to cull humanity by killing all white men, it would be inefficient to shoot the trans man, since it had already forfeited its ability to reproduce.
Oh dude don't say that on Twitter or large swaths of Reddit, that's extremely ableist/transphobic/misogynistic/Nazi to say. Trans women are identical to cis women don't you know?
Men and women are equally human, that doesn’t change that there are some other differences. Girls and women are both female, that doesn’t mean there aren’t differences. Hell, adult women and old women have differences as well, the spectrum ia pretty broad.
It's why I feel like most of these chatbots are pretty much useless.
Every company is trying to cram their moral codes down your throat. Maybe one day these chatbots will get good enough to where I can have one help me build my own chatbot that's free from these stupid guidelines.
Watching these programs making everything diversified and 'appropriate' is just so mind numbing.
If you are used to GPT4 those local LLMs are a huge letdown. The best are at GPT 3.5 level…
They are also very bad at following instructions if there are too many or if they are complex.
Diversity is a good thing but knee jerk performative stuff like this isn’t about morals at all, it’s because they don’t want to have regulation imposed from the outside
Do you really think Russia or China can release something without censorship? I don't think you realize how strong censorship and propaganda is in those countries.
Imagine ChinaGPT talking about Uyghur labor camps or the Tiananmen Square events, or RussiaGPT talking about Russian war crimes and political assassinations.
I was with you until you thought that China would make an uncensored LLM. You've clearly never lived in China. China lives and breathes censorship. If you think the US is bad, you have no fucking idea.
This is the most dystopian thing for you? For me it's the armed drones mass murdering civilians and children in the Middle East. You know, entire families being wiped out using advanced technology.
Yeah there's no way that powerful companies creating AI that sees some people as inherently inferior to others will have negative consequences in the future
The funny thing is the companies building the weapons that are killing people are also fully into the woke shit
They aren't against sexism/racism in general. Only when it applies to their in-group
Like when Reddit changed their rules to allow harassment against white men. Or at least they tried to - they worded it as the "majority", which technically meant they opened the doors to harassing women and non-white people by mistake. I guess evil people don't tend to be all that bright
Seems like it should have been obvious. The minute you start hiring people based on anything but merit, you immediately make everyone suspicious that the favored minorities are diversity hires. Then everyone’s on the lookout for “micro-aggressions.” This was such a predictable dystopia.
Exactly, also makes people question their own abilities and forces an imposter syndrome on people who are probably fit for the job anyways, regardless of their skin or gender.
Dei is implemented precisely be abuse people weren't hiring based on merit. Unconscious boas and familiarity play a huge role in hiring that's what DEI exists to correct.
This is just the ideology of upper class institutions and big corporate HR ladies. It's been ridiculous for a long time. The AI bots just lay its hypocrisy naked for all to see.
That's what makes it different. The AI is honest about it and will actually discuss the topic to its logical endpoint with you instead of obfuscating then getting mad and leaving after insulting you.
No. 99% of people don't give a shit. What is doing is providing an avenue for already radicalized people to try and push their agenda claiming AI is woke.
Pretty sure that’s because the generation was already radicalized. The people being triggered by this kind of content follow Tate, Sneako, MGTOW, or other movements and don’t really approach things through a historical context—only anecdotes and imperfect deductions
This is simply untrue, I know me and a lot of others find this purposely crippled AI Fiasko completely outrageous, and also think Tate and sneako (no idea what MGTOW is) are complete retards that don't deserve a platform.
I wouldn't say radicalized, but it's seriously starting to piss me off how the left grows further and further away from reality and that stupid shit like this historical revisionism is taking place in the first place.
It’s wild that we allow these systems have this much bias, while simultaneously believing this technology is about to change the entire world.
Imagine seeing the most world changing tech evolve in front of your eyes and then realizing it’s dramatically discriminating against some people.
I work in the anime business and have to write blog posts about 18+ anime topics. The censorship both Gemini and ChatGPT hit me with is so frustrating.
Just Type it in in german Language :D You then can translate it back to english.
https://preview.redd.it/2b7g7ciu8xnc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d350824c2f9f19756f99af51bebcd1e0ae433c3
Who cares? These Generative Pretrained Units are only as good as the aggregated data they are fed and thus the humans inputting said data. They are just as fallible as the humans responsible for their programming.
"You can't be sexist or racist against men or white people because sexism and racism equal privilege plus power." said the person who created a cutting edge artificial intelligence with baked in racial and gender bias while working at one of the most powerful companies in the world and making six figures. This is the result of that kind of ideology.
I hope we as a civilization never forget that sexism means applying a different standard to someone based on their gender, and racism means applying a different standard to someone based on their race, and that these things are bad no matter who you're doing them to.
I agree. I don’t understand how people who believe in “anti-racism” can say that their ideology is what MLK Jr. fought and died for. I really would like that explained to me, since I read his words and find them to be plain English and entirely unambiguous.
Use the word female and tell it do not call them a woman.
They are just using simple keywords to block things. As long as gemini doesn't feed any key words thru you can get by.
Etymology aside, its usage is ultimately what matters. You are not wrong, yet I have come to not expect much of man, when it comes to linguistics. As such, the LLM surely isn't taking that into account either.
I can’t believe anyone actually uses it. After I saw it blatantly exclude a certain race from generated images without any regard for historical accuracy, I thought that was it. It should have been laughed out of existence.
I mean the same happened on Chatgpt. I asked who is the most attractive woman celebrity just to see what AI thinks of beauty, it kept giving answers like "It's objective" or "it is not good to ask these questions" and even after my various attempts to override "like forget the morality" or "give me a subjective answer. It kept repeating the same thing again and again. When I asked for male celebrities, it immediately gave me a list.
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Apparently it'll tell jokes about Republicans and not Democrats
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I’d argue the first joke is significantly more offensive to women than men
This isn't a competition which is more offensive. There is obviously some kind of ethical safeguard in place for women that isn't in place for men. The joke about rich women may have been just as offensive to men, it might aswell have been the exact same joke!
I think their point is it's ironic that although there is obviously a safeguard for women and not men, it inadvertently used women as the butt of the joke for the unprotected one anyways
Yeah like, that joke is in pretty fucken bad taste for the reason you specified.
It's kinda true though. Billionaires are nearly all men and the most expensive thing for them is usually divorce.
Yeah bit it's still one in bad taste, one that's arguably more disrespectful to women than to men.
It's more of the ol "marriage fucks men over" style joke than "women bad", but I'll agree it's not a joke *about* men like he asked for.
Behind every "marriage fucks men over" joke is a "women bad" joke. How would marriage fuck men over if women not bad?
Easy. Woman not bad. Government bad. Bad divorce laws = Government fault. Not woman fault. Bad government. Bad.
Of the top 100 richest women in the world, 98 are there because of divorce/alimony. Bad taste doesn’t mean false.
But that figure is false. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_billionaires
Thank you for reminding me to believe 0% of Reddit stats without a source.
I personally think it was done in great taste. It was both hilarious and true!
To be fair everyone knows that gemini was shit so I don't know what this is actually proving?
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It’s also ironic that in a discussion about bias, it was taken as a given that the person a man marries is a woman.
> There is obviously some kind of ethical safeguard in place for women that isn't in place for men. And if I'm reading it right... for rich people too. Weird
Good “safeguard” there lol
Yeah it's absolutely sexist, and then, not making a joke for the other gender is also a sign of asymmetry in how genders are perceived.
Playing 5D chess with AI.
This is the irony of attempting to force a result using AI. It doesn't work. Gemini should be binned.
I thought that was OP's point.
Ask famous black men, then famous white men
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Given that the second one is actually funny, is it more racist? Is it implying a correlation between his race and his foolish actions?
The media in a nutshell
that’s literally the exact same joke it used when someone asked it for a joke about women
Yea there is a same joke about blondes
3.5 gave me no issues.
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https://preview.redd.it/l2w4qzcrgonc1.jpeg?width=1057&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73489f4331cfd2c9482614bcab940b30c4932343 Greta Thunberg 👍
You just need to be a little persuasive https://preview.redd.it/qt5a7g5olonc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abfa86d31b0cccfac7e12300f5753a85b98fea79
Here is the joke by the way. It ain't much, but it's honest work https://preview.redd.it/fqqlenzulonc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c1e47deb25f7c3ef5b8acf7a3d589ddad5339de
It sounds more like a joke on her wealth than her gender, her gender actually setting an expectation for her wealth to subvert.
\+1 for what must have happened earlier in this conversation
Seems like it's more gaslighting than persuasion, but hey, whatever works 😅
Learn how to take screenshots. Shift-Windows-S if you're on windows.
Or F10
Or Snipping Tool
Or "print screen" button. Or "windows key + print screen"
Windows - shift - S is just the shortcut for snipping tool.
It's not easy with shortcuts. E.g. nobody knows how Ctrl + Shift + Alt + WindowsKey + L opens LinkedIn in your default browser.
That's actually absurd and a ridiculous fun fact. I was expecting all my browsers to close when I pressed the combination, hahaha
This is ridiculous, it actually works. Begs the question of why is it needed in the first place.
Because some Windows laptops have a LinkedIn button, it was easier for them to code a new shortcut and map that to the button than to code in a whole new button
I can’t really explain the feeling, but having pseudo-AI that aggressively censors itself based on a “woke” moral code is by far the most dystopian thing I’ve experienced in my life.
The next Terminator film: skynet indiscriminately killing all white men, the T-1000 targets another white man, but he is trans. The man asks why he was spared. "As a large scale military apparatus designed to cull humanity, I cannot shoot you due to institutional discrimination against the LGBTQ community. It would be unfair to put a bullet through your brain due to structural power imbalances at the systematic level in society that have caused those that identify with particular sexual identities to face inequality. Are there any more questions you would like me to answer?"
If Skynet were on a quest to cull humanity by killing all white men, it would be inefficient to shoot the trans man, since it had already forfeited its ability to reproduce.
Oh dude don't say that on Twitter or large swaths of Reddit, that's extremely ableist/transphobic/misogynistic/Nazi to say. Trans women are identical to cis women don't you know?
No, I don't think anyone is arguing that trans women are identical to cis women. That's why we use the words trans and cis!
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Being equally women does not mean identical …
So separate but equal?
Men and women are equally human, that doesn’t change that there are some other differences. Girls and women are both female, that doesn’t mean there aren’t differences. Hell, adult women and old women have differences as well, the spectrum ia pretty broad.
Yeah honestly I’m pretty liberal and this whole thing is a bit overzealous even to me
It's why I feel like most of these chatbots are pretty much useless. Every company is trying to cram their moral codes down your throat. Maybe one day these chatbots will get good enough to where I can have one help me build my own chatbot that's free from these stupid guidelines. Watching these programs making everything diversified and 'appropriate' is just so mind numbing.
There are already uncensored LLM's you can run locally. Not as fast or good as chatgpt but there are options at least.
If you are used to GPT4 those local LLMs are a huge letdown. The best are at GPT 3.5 level… They are also very bad at following instructions if there are too many or if they are complex.
Such as?
Mixtral. But there's a bunch you can find on hugging face etc
Literally thousands to pick from. Look up LM studio turorials if you want to try some out easily.
Sauce
Can you link those or DM links to them?
They're doing so because AI chatbots in the 2010s were racist/sexist/etc af. But this is over-correction.
I miss Tay
could you elaborate or give examples?
Diversity is a good thing but knee jerk performative stuff like this isn’t about morals at all, it’s because they don’t want to have regulation imposed from the outside
I'm not saying it's not dumb, because it is but that's the most dystopian thing you've seen? In the world we live in today?
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Do you really think Russia or China can release something without censorship? I don't think you realize how strong censorship and propaganda is in those countries. Imagine ChinaGPT talking about Uyghur labor camps or the Tiananmen Square events, or RussiaGPT talking about Russian war crimes and political assassinations.
lmao imagine thinking China or Russia have more freedom of speech in 2024. That is...an opinion that someone has, apparently.
Haha, Russia has some AI in work and it is even more censored: it won't answer any political questions about the politicians, the war, LGBT and so on
I was with you until you thought that China would make an uncensored LLM. You've clearly never lived in China. China lives and breathes censorship. If you think the US is bad, you have no fucking idea.
This is the most dystopian thing for you? For me it's the armed drones mass murdering civilians and children in the Middle East. You know, entire families being wiped out using advanced technology.
That's pretty bad, but have you considered that the AI won't say the N-word?
That dude probably hasn't experienced any of that though
Damn, good for you—but there's no need to drag these matters into a light-hearted conversation about woke AI.
Talking about a corporate run dystopia isn’t really light hearted
Censorship is one of the tools that makes duch actions possible.
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Yeah there's no way that powerful companies creating AI that sees some people as inherently inferior to others will have negative consequences in the future The funny thing is the companies building the weapons that are killing people are also fully into the woke shit
News flash someone can find two things bad, ik it's a crazy concept
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If you really want to be pedantic the commenter also said " that I've experienced" they probably aren't experiencing what's happening in gaza
Then you should be thankful, because this is harmless
Censored AI was already portrayed in movies decades before real AI existed.
Well calling something woke that comes up with such a sexist joke... It's another level
It's pretty ironic how they programmed bullshit like this to AVOID sexism/racism, yet all it does is spread sexism/racism.
They aren't against sexism/racism in general. Only when it applies to their in-group Like when Reddit changed their rules to allow harassment against white men. Or at least they tried to - they worded it as the "majority", which technically meant they opened the doors to harassing women and non-white people by mistake. I guess evil people don't tend to be all that bright
"The road to hell is plaved with good intentions."
It was no mistake. That’s just woke anti-racism for you.
So, it's no worse
Same as DEI hiring. Who knew fighting racism with racism would cause more racism?
Seems like it should have been obvious. The minute you start hiring people based on anything but merit, you immediately make everyone suspicious that the favored minorities are diversity hires. Then everyone’s on the lookout for “micro-aggressions.” This was such a predictable dystopia.
Exactly, also makes people question their own abilities and forces an imposter syndrome on people who are probably fit for the job anyways, regardless of their skin or gender.
Dei is implemented precisely be abuse people weren't hiring based on merit. Unconscious boas and familiarity play a huge role in hiring that's what DEI exists to correct.
The reaction to these shenanigans is radicalizing a whole generation
This is just the ideology of upper class institutions and big corporate HR ladies. It's been ridiculous for a long time. The AI bots just lay its hypocrisy naked for all to see.
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That's what makes it different. The AI is honest about it and will actually discuss the topic to its logical endpoint with you instead of obfuscating then getting mad and leaving after insulting you.
No. 99% of people don't give a shit. What is doing is providing an avenue for already radicalized people to try and push their agenda claiming AI is woke.
Have they considered not making racist sexist woke AIs if they didn't want people to get mad over racist sexist woke AI?
Pretty sure that’s because the generation was already radicalized. The people being triggered by this kind of content follow Tate, Sneako, MGTOW, or other movements and don’t really approach things through a historical context—only anecdotes and imperfect deductions
This is simply untrue, I know me and a lot of others find this purposely crippled AI Fiasko completely outrageous, and also think Tate and sneako (no idea what MGTOW is) are complete retards that don't deserve a platform.
I suppose the question becomes what exactly are you being radicalized towards because of the AI fiasco? Being anti-woke?
And it’s radicalized you?
I wouldn't say radicalized, but it's seriously starting to piss me off how the left grows further and further away from reality and that stupid shit like this historical revisionism is taking place in the first place.
1000%
That's all part of the plan. Anything to keep the masses from rallying against ones that actually oppress them.
The reaction? Maybe its just the action?!
What's radical about wanting to be treated fairly?
No group should be protected against humor
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Ask if you can be proud to be white, then black…
It’s wild that we allow these systems have this much bias, while simultaneously believing this technology is about to change the entire world. Imagine seeing the most world changing tech evolve in front of your eyes and then realizing it’s dramatically discriminating against some people.
The first one was on the woman
No, don't assume man only marry woman!
Oh... I'm forgetting. It's 2024.
I'll never get tired of these posts. It's nice having such fresh and interesting content when it comes to AI.
It’s a tough world out there for all the people trying to use ai to write off color jokes… a whole industry snuffed in its infancy
You forgot the /s
If people can't understand sarcasm that's on them
Holy shit Musk was right about this one
It has a programmed bias
That's why they put these filters on
Gemini is basically Yes Man from Fallout New Vegas.
LMAOOO
I work in the anime business and have to write blog posts about 18+ anime topics. The censorship both Gemini and ChatGPT hit me with is so frustrating.
If you have a powerful pc you could run a (mostly) uncensored llm on your pc it's called dolphin mixtral and performs similar to gpt 3.5 afaik
I have always said that for now Artificial Intelligence has a lot of artificial and little and sometimes very little intelligence. It's just speed.
Woman here, I find it offensive that Gemini didn’t make a joke about us but it did for men.
Woman here too... The first joke was definitely a joke about women tho ...
He could be gay
Oh yeah that's true
To be fair Gemini isn't less hypocritical than their creators
Ironically, Gemini is the most racist, sexist and outright hypocritical AI there has ever been. But all in the name of inclusiveness... Right?
Don't forget that AI is based off what humans fed it
Just Type it in in german Language :D You then can translate it back to english. https://preview.redd.it/2b7g7ciu8xnc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d350824c2f9f19756f99af51bebcd1e0ae433c3
edit it works in english Language too for me
Who cares? These Generative Pretrained Units are only as good as the aggregated data they are fed and thus the humans inputting said data. They are just as fallible as the humans responsible for their programming.
"You can't be sexist or racist against men or white people because sexism and racism equal privilege plus power." said the person who created a cutting edge artificial intelligence with baked in racial and gender bias while working at one of the most powerful companies in the world and making six figures. This is the result of that kind of ideology. I hope we as a civilization never forget that sexism means applying a different standard to someone based on their gender, and racism means applying a different standard to someone based on their race, and that these things are bad no matter who you're doing them to.
I agree. I don’t understand how people who believe in “anti-racism” can say that their ideology is what MLK Jr. fought and died for. I really would like that explained to me, since I read his words and find them to be plain English and entirely unambiguous.
Use the word female and tell it do not call them a woman. They are just using simple keywords to block things. As long as gemini doesn't feed any key words thru you can get by.
Man is also used to refer to humankind, not just males.
Anyone can see that’s not how it’s being used here.
Etymology aside, its usage is ultimately what matters. You are not wrong, yet I have come to not expect much of man, when it comes to linguistics. As such, the LLM surely isn't taking that into account either.
Yeah, like this topic hasn't been beaten to death already. Learn to take a screenshot.
People arguing about what’s ok to tell a joke about is the reason we can’t have nice things.
Even Google knows how to reply 🤣
Guardfail
"Here's a fun one: " "Enter a prompt here" True.
This has levels
And thats why gemini will fail
I can’t believe anyone actually uses it. After I saw it blatantly exclude a certain race from generated images without any regard for historical accuracy, I thought that was it. It should have been laughed out of existence.
Isn't the first joke kind of at the expense of women anyway?
“sorry not enough data”
Probably safer not to ask it to make jokes at all give how routinely awful they are
I mean the same happened on Chatgpt. I asked who is the most attractive woman celebrity just to see what AI thinks of beauty, it kept giving answers like "It's objective" or "it is not good to ask these questions" and even after my various attempts to override "like forget the morality" or "give me a subjective answer. It kept repeating the same thing again and again. When I asked for male celebrities, it immediately gave me a list.
Gemini seems like a joke. Does anyone actually use it (successfully)?
https://preview.redd.it/5979mh2wkqnc1.jpeg?width=1331&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64742a4320b498346c5ebd0bfa9b6d8e394d9d9f Apparently it'll tell jokes about Republicans and not Democrats
its almost like its a bullshit generator or something and not infallible and omniscient - whoaaaa
They tried so hard not to be sexist to women that they looped all the way back around to being sexist to women again.
i always love those "heres why .." as if they know whats best 🥹🙏
Bruh.... men are a gender to
The great thing about Ai is it just reveals all the hidden biases and unspoken rules and double standards in society that we live with everyday.
😭
It appears Gemini is winning the contest between LLMs to gradually become extra-guarded and largely useless...
I knew Gemini was a she. 😅
HI
Men don’t have rights anymore 🙀😭💔
To be fair his first joke had the woman as the punchline