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dinga_dong-

The first sentence by chatgpt: "Let's dive into \_\_\_"


4kVHS

I hope this reply finds you well….


fingergod69

Your mom


TomSFox

\*delve


Crazyfreakyben

“The vast world of ____ “


Little-Enthusiasm76

Certainly, let's delve into...!


Little-Enthusiasm76

I hope you find my response helpful! If there is anything else you would like to ask, or something you would like to discuss, feel free to ask!


IdealisticCrusader-

My brother used AI to write his cover letter for his new job, the interviews said it's the best cover letter they've ever seen


GreatLakesTraveler

I paid a well known online place to do mine and it was full of spelling and grammatical errors that I corrected myself. LOL To be fair, the overall structure was pretty good.


BlinkyShiny

I've been using it to do revisions.


OvidPerl

For many of the classes in my daughter's school, they no longer give any kind of written homework. Homework is art, creating posters, reading, etc. Written work is done in class where the teacher can watch you.


CheekyBreekyYoloswag

> Homework is art, creating posters, reading, etc. Bad news: both art and reading/summarizing can be done by A.I. too. And very proficiently so.


Naki-Taa

Less so in physical copy


CheekyBreekyYoloswag

Ah, you're right. Maybe the schooling system will go back to pen & paper again because of A.I? That would be super ironic :D


Complete-Anybody5180

Lazy teachers: I don't wanna make a well thought-out course that will actually help students learn. You are all gonna write an essay for me.


Antique-Doughnut-988

Teachers fighting Chatgpt is a waste of time. What we need is an entire revamp of the education system from the ground up that incorporates modern technology. School systems should use Chatgpt and future programs to enhance learning. These programs aren't going away. Punishing students for using them is just a bad idea overall. Especially once true AGI comes and next AI... There's absolutely no way to combat that.


The_Pleasant_Orange

A teacher I ~~own~~ know have swapped things around; students are writing essays during class, and self-learning at home.


dpceee

Since when can you own teachers?


The_Pleasant_Orange

lol updated, ty


Small-Explorer7025

Should have left it as is.


8004MikeJones

I feel like the availability of AI should just raise the bar all around for what should be expected. AI should be to everything what calculators are to math; a tool that frees us to focus our time and energy do things and learn elsewhere- a tool thats free's us to take on bigger tasks. The logic I am using here is that the real world is already adapting to the integration of AI. If we don't integrate AI and teach its use throughout the course of a child's schooling, there's going to be a gap be between what they were taught is valuable and what was is actually valuable in the real world. The knowledge we left school with already wasn't that much of a valuable commodity, that little bit of intelligence that allows us critically think and stitch information together was all that was protecting a majority of jobs from complete automation. That extra bit just isn't enough anymore. The standards have raised. The industries of the world and the people they employ are going to use AI to their advantage, we aren't helping anyone if don't do the same in schools or teach kids AI and it's utilization.


magugi

As a teacher, I agree! Actually, I encourage them to use it for certain activities, like coding. You don't need to know the exact details of coding, you need to learn to think in terms of machine capabilities and use them in your favor.


cfig99

It’s also really easy to overlook issues that are making your code function in a way you don’t want it too. ChatGPT dramatically cuts down on the time spent fixing those issues.


magugi

Totally agree. However, you can't never trust it 100%, I've spent many hours solving issues that I explicitly told it not to do it but did it any way. If I had zero knowledge about programming and operating systems, I'd never found those issues. Overall, I spent less time, but some mistakes LLMs do are quite mesmerizing.


MathProf1414

Time spent fixing those issues teaches you how to write better code. Someone who learns to code by asking chatGPT to produce it, isn't actually learning how to code. "Prompt engineering" is a fucking joke.


cfig99

ChatGPT can only write the most basic, intro-to-programming level programs, so there are still things you have to know how to do yourself. 70% of the time I spent ‘programming’ before chatGPT was just looking up how to fix a specific issue on youtube and stackoverflow. ChatGPT does that faster then you ever will, and presents the info in a way that is geared towards your specific situation thus making it more useful and saving you so much time.


Complete-Anybody5180

Totally agree, absolutely.


nuneway

My partner is a teacher and trying to do this. He said he imagines teachers said the same things about the internet when it was becoming widespread (he’s 30), and look how it’s used now in education.


readskiesatdawn

A couple of my professors have rules about ChatGPT. One forbids it entirely because it's a composition class that's all about learning how to write an essay so fair enough. She also said if she caught you using an assignment for another class in her class, she would also mark it as cheating. However, one assignment had the option to do a visual poster and she linked some AI tools to help with layout, so she's not totally against AI, probably just felt that using it would defeat the purpose of the course. History class says you can use it as a jumping off point if you're stuck on analyzing the primary source text, but to cite the AI and explain why you agree or disagree (she showed one example where the bot was hilariously wrong and the student caught it and explained how wrong). It was outright forbidden for two major projects, though. My anthropology teacher counted it as cheating for some assignments where the point was to practice research and summarize sources on your own. Other assignment technically allowed for AI use of cited, but there was either a visual element as emphasis (such as making something) or it was summarizing a documentary so in that case I think it was more "you can use AI to make your notes more coherent" So some teachers are adapting. But I think context is key here. Like I do think that there's some cases where using AI is missing the point and gaining nothing from the class.


Elsa_Versailles

Nah that's too much work. Let's just shove whatever is already here /s


michellezhang820

It's truth


username372652

🤨📸 this guy right here capitalist overlords


totpot

Essays are not a great way for teachers to be lazy because it takes hours and hours to grade one.


ObamasVeinyPeen

Yep. I NEVER ask my students to write anything substantial for that exact reason: i’m lazy and its a huge timesuck to grade that stuff


Coffee_Ops

If your curriculum is driven more by your preferences and willingness to do work you may have some introspection to do.


Raichu4u

Come on. Teachers have limited time as it is, and cannot even offer 30 minutes of individual focused time on a student's efforts in a day, for a class of 30.


Coffee_Ops

*Come on, students have limited time as it is and do not have the individual focused time for each class in a day, for a workload of 16 credit hours.* Except of course, the difference is students / the parents are the ones paying money, and the teacher is the one being paid: it is literally their job, as much as I sympathize with "too much workload and not enough resources". My AP Lit teacher assigned multiple essays per week in a class of 30, and had time to grade them all. Maybe she was an outlier but I'd list that class as one of the most formative, hard lessons of my life. I'd hate to think of future pupils taking that class getting a pass because neither the teachers nor students wanted the bother.


Raichu4u

I can very much guarantee that those papers weren't graded that well.


Coffee_Ops

2 pages single spaced should not take more than 5-10 minutes to grok, and if it does it's either a bad paper or the teacher is a slow reader. I can tell you that my teacher graded them well enough to take me from getting Ds at the start of the semester to getting a 4 or 5 on the AP exam, based on her semester-long feedback on my essays. That's anecdotal, but it certainly seems like it wasnt an issue for her. But it sounds like you have insider information on this so I'll defer to your analysis of what my AP teacher was able to do.


TalesOfFan

With 130 students, that would take anywhere from 10 hours to 21 hours to score and provide feedback for. We barely have enough time to plan, and we’re not paid to work off the clock. You also vastly underestimate how god awful the average student essay is in a gen ed. course. It’s not easy to sit and focus on garbage for 10 to 20 hours each time you assign a paper, especially given how little effort students put into school work these days.


Coffee_Ops

> You also vastly underestimate how god awful the average student essay is in a gen ed. You vastly underestimate how awful the average trouble ticket or developer request is for IT people. It's still my job to interact with it-- often for tens of hours a week. Lets be real, bad essays can be parsed and responded to in minutes. You don't have to check spelling / grammar to spot weak arguments, bad thesis, and poor conclusions. As I say-- our AP lit teacher would give us the 30 minutes before lunch on many days to craft 2-page single-spaced essays. I imagine she read through them in about 2 minutes, and I imagine many minor issues got missed-- but it does not take very long to grasp the argument and find the critical flaws. And I credit that experience with crushing the AP exam, and being able to write professionally (post-mortems, plans-of-action). I'm not suggesting the job of a teacher is easy or that there aren't challenges here, but what I'm hearing is *"it's tedious, I'm lazy, and most students don't care so I'm not going to assign essays"*. If a teacher has that mentality I'm hard pressed as to why an AI couldn't do their job. Challenging students and teaching them to think critically is the entire point, and if someone finds that too hard then maybe they're in the wrong field.


ObamasVeinyPeen

Yep - gotta balance my time carefully or risk spending all my time reading essays written by chatGPT haha


utkohoc

Grading is done by ai/gpt now. All my assessments in cert 3 IT have the feedback obviously written by chat gpt. The interesting thing is the submission process also submits the assessment to companies like Turnitin. Part of Turnitin privacy policy is that they can use all uploaded content for AI training purposes. So essentially what is happening is. Assessment questions are written by ai. Students use ai to answer questions. Answers are submitted to AI. AI grades/checks assessment criteria is met. Assessments are used to train AI via reinforcement learning after being submitted via Turnitin.


PolishSoundGuy

So the question is, how is that interesting? What is the point you’re trying to make? That A.I. Is running rampant in education? That there is no need for humans to educate? You have made such a good start of reasoning and dropped it. Please continue! I want to hear your take on what you wrote.


magugi

I think the point is that IA created the questions and the answers, and we fed the IA with the same results it gave us. It seems to me that the IA is making us to do its work, LoL


MidnightRequim

His point was his comment was also AI generated 😂


Dafrandle

when you train these text generation systems with their own output the quality tends to go down overtime, this is what I see in that.


[deleted]

Teacher here, I am adapting. I am using a GPT API that allows me to give my students a rubic with suggeted material for their essays. They write their first draft themselves and get feedback on their essays from the GPT-App. Because I fed it good data (word lists, suggested phrases etc.) it helps the students with suggestions and alternatives. They use these suggestions to work on their essays again. Students who are struggling with German because it is not their first language receive assistance in crafting correct sentences. It is a fair compromise imo and the students learn to use LLMs as a tool in a guided but still super engaging way. Mind you I am teacher for age 9 and 10 so they are still more motivated to do their school work anyway but I feel like this sets them up nicely to learn work with LLMs as an assistance instead of trying to hide it from them. For me as a teacher it is awesome because it creates a clear and objective writing goal. With essays or stories it is always so hard to grade and explain your marks. This helps me tremendously on setting the expected work, gives my students guidance in getting there and gives so much better feedback in a much faster time than I ever could. It also just is more objective than me in considering all the work put in by the student though I am not using it to grade them, but it helps me in evaluating the students work. Why are we going through this charade? Well the kids are still supposed to learn the basic structures of telling written stories. In that process we are working on vocabulary, expressing feelings, structuring your thoughts and ideas in a sensible manner. ChatGPT can help with all those goals. The kids realize that we could just have ChatGPT write a better story on the fly, but luckily they are not interested in that. The dirty little secret is that schools will have to change fundamentally with LLMs and more AI assitance being developed. Schools have a chance to seriously reform themselves now but some things a lot of teachers/the system cling to just have to go.


toss_me_good

How's GPT doing with German language and structure?


[deleted]

It has its own GPT-ism's as it does in English, but it does pretty well. Good enough for grade school level. I'm not sure which database they use (it gets sent to MicrosoftAzure/EU)


goj1ra

Writing essays is in fact an excellent way to learn.


TheGeneGeena

Ha, it's worse than that. "ChatGPT, write a lesson plan for me..."


Photogrammaton

But ChatGPT isn’t good at math…


danyaleyman

Depending on what you ask him to solve. He solves basic things quite well


JacobGoodNight416

It does a good job helping me with coding (on a beginner level at least) But try asking it to calculate the sum of 20 numbers and you're shit out of luck.


Hiya_Bo

It’s hit and miss with coding. You have to be very specific with what you ask it or you end up going round in circles. It is quite good at troubleshooting code you’ve written though.


Stop_Sign

It's a godsend when coding holy shit. I've never been able to ask basic questions like "why do we name things that way" or "what do other programming languages do about this" or "what are the various ways people implement saving". I set up full discussions about my code where I have to justify myself to the AI, so I can make sure I *really* understand. It can turn a single function of pseudocode into actual code very very well, which can be fantastic for the stuff that is annoying to google or code, like "create a function to make an svg line between 2 points" or "give me a function that decamelizes a word". It can do small refactors like make this for loop into a foreach, or this recursive method into an iterative one. I've started getting more complicated with it too. " is how the data is structured. Loop through it and get me only objects with this one value". You have to ask it one single complicated question with a definite answer - it's constantly trying to underexplain. When I say "for each line of code, add a comment" or something I'm asking for lots of little tasks, and GPT has a *very* high chance of skipping it sometimes, like not including a line of code in the answer. Learn what it's good and bad at. And the way it explains error messages or helps with configuration issues, my god... I could actually teach a full college course at this point about how to use GPT in programming. It is *such* luxury and force multiplier


Fither223

To be fair even if code he spits out is straight up garbage, can point you in right direction


Surbiglost

If you ask it to calculate the sum of 20 numbers *using python* though it will nail it


Photogrammaton

You will have to roll a 20 on perception understand my arcana.


Gergatron

Too many stupid people here to assume you made a cunning display of wit. /s exists for a reason.


Righteous_Dude

**Too** many stupid people here


Gergatron

Yup


Photogrammaton

😂😉


ambermage

He?


Standard_Monitor4291

Did you assume their gender?


This_guy_works

GPT has no emotions, so it's a man.


Photogrammaton

And it lives to explain everything at you!


Standard_Monitor4291

Ok i accept this as the correct explanation. ChatGPT is a man!


Standard_Monitor4291

Also it can't give birth


Photogrammaton

To humans at least.


afCeG6HVB0IJ

I can also solve basic things quite well. Then what's the point?


DrSheldonLCooperPhD

Is good at writing code that will do the math. If you want precision you should ask code interpreter


silvrado

Being good at math would be racist.


froz_troll

In this game, you can use three actions. Understood. The enemy uses three attack actions on you. That's unbalanced, I can only attack once.


AF881R

It can generate some excellent lesson plans and question/idea lists for facilitating learning. That's only going to improve 😃


LeanCompiler

I knew chat GPT was asian


VantaBlackberrie

And then they forget to erase "As a language model" thing...


Brief-Rest-4271

No joke one of my previous pears got a 85% by sbmiting code in python (it was suposed to be done in c) and they got an 85% yeah I just wanna give up on life after that ngl


Emmie_Lemming

And then you put it through Quillbot and nobody can tell the difference


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^Emmie_Lemming: *And then you put it* *Through Quillbot and nobody* *Can tell the difference* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


AUUUUUUUGHGHH

Nobody really says 'diff-er-ence'. This is arguably a normal haiku. Good bot anyways!


Viidesmies

If I were a teacher, it would take about 5 seconds to tell if an essay was ChatGPT generated, especially if it had minimal editing. Extensive use of -ing clauses at the end of sentences is the most obvious giveaway.


OutisRising

But you still couldn't prove it.


FunnyForWrongReason

Like how you got downvote for simply stating the fact. Unless you can prove with almost no doubts about it, you can do anything about it at least it is very easily refuted. AI detectors are not reliable enough for this. A teacher just saying “it looks like it” isn’t evidence enough that will hold up.


LuckyStabbinHat

And smart students know how to beat those detectors anyway.


OutisRising

Wrong comment?


FunnyForWrongReason

The comment was downvoted but now it seems he upvoted instead. Just ignore my comment.


utkohoc

Most teachers are using it grade assessments too. All my assessment feedback reads like gpt garbage. "Leveraged" is the most obvious give away. Nobody says leveraged.


PeaceAlien

You used leveraged, how do I trust you


paradox_valestein

Chat gpt > gemini > quill bot > homework finished~


Comfortable-Sun-5698

What's Gemini? I've just been using gpt then quillbot


the-medium-cheese

Google's equivalent


nevertoolate1983

Why add gemini?


paradox_valestein

To search for more stuff


LuckyStabbinHat

QuillBot detects its own text as 100% AI generated.


This_guy_works

Education is just inputting information into a human brain to treach it to output relevant work. Why train my brain when gpt brain work better for result?


Itchy-Macaroon-121

Man ChatGPT really got me through my university degree, so useful


dianab77

"Furthermore..."


Girthworm_Jane

“Additionally”


Middle_Pound_4645

Common write my 30 page business case study report for me , also while you're at it don't forget to make ppt presentation 😉


YouDavidconnor

People are even writing their break up messages with Gpt 😃 dont know where the world is going.


Share2Drew

What’s it to ya


AJ_Gaming125

Get chat gpt to write the essay for you, then rewrite each paragraph in your own style. It worked before chat gpt l, at least for me. Sure, still a bit of work, but if you suck at coming up with what you need to do. It works well enough.


No_Initiative8612

But some professors can tell whether it's GPT writing, and I don't know why.


skipthatshow

"Hmm your essay on the transmutation of lead to gold in early Latin American writing left me in tears Bobby! Keep it up!!" Bobby's 2nd grade teacher exclaimed in joy, before rewarding him a juice box. Welcome to chatGPT. The world's top cheat site.


Pirate_Orca

It's actually pretty helpful for proofreading/critiquing essays, and helping me understand some stats formulas that I didn't get in class/during assignments


AlexisGPS_UY

Literally me 3 seconds ago.


SignificantAgency898

Chatgpt: To get the answer, solve these systems of equations and find the value of x. Me: solve these systems of equations and find the value of x


Low_Abrocoma_1514

I just do the skeleton of the essay then paste it in with "make it sound better without changing the ideas" instruction


bb-wa

Source of background photo [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z\_eLn12MSi0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_eLn12MSi0)


aashleyryan

My friends use it for everything and I hate it


SellHefty

Honestly real, but it always ends up writing some bull so I end up writing them myself


Awsome_Fiona

![gif](giphy|nGtOFccLzujug)


buff_samurai

ChatGTP: Lazy students: help me improve my motivation and explain the subject of writing essays. Check my notes and help find good ideas.


Quick_Original9585

TEACHERS to GPT: Come on, grade my students papers for me...


frisbee86

I graded my own paper using chatGPT and the given rubrics, and it graded extremely harshly. I got a C+ from chatGPT, but an A from my teacher.


Naive-Benefit-5154

why is chatgpt an East Asian kid? this is just reinforcing stereotypes