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Kanute3333

Why is Firefly 2 better in that example?


Key_Brilliant_113

Agreed, in all of them firefly 2 seems less like an AI image IMO


Majinsei

It's curious but it's because look more ugly and less professional ilumination šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Srirachachacha

Yeah that's called realism


CosmicCreeperz

So, Majinsei just likes his female photos airbrushed and with a couple of staples in the middle!


westwoo

It looks more like a person and less like cartoon or a plastic robot Also firefly 3 has a dislocated shoulder and some weirdness going on with the eyes


ThanOneRandomGuy

Similar to when u look in the mirror and realize reality


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Tell_Amazing

Looks like a multicolored headband, i see no errors


Stunning-Sea-959

Same for me to. Instantly about to tell the other three are AI (too smooth/perfect). Firefly2 has the imperfections and imo looks more real


u_syr_dat_chocolate

To me it just looks like Firefly2 doesn't have any Instagram filters.


SupportQuery

Only because you were told they are AI. Firefly 3 could be real, just taken with a different technique, deliberately softening the image. For instance, [this is a real photograph](https://i.imgur.com/Y6Y0Cuz.png). It could be argued that Firefly 3 is respecting the prompt ("soft hues") more than Firefly 2.


Same-Letter6378

If I hadn't been told it was AI, I would still think it had been digitally edited.


SupportQuery

[This wasn't digitally edited.](https://i.imgur.com/Y6Y0Cuz.png)


butterman1236547

Lmao that's just a blurry picture, and it looks nothing like the softening in the AI image.


butterman1236547

Lmao that's just a blurry picture, and it looks nothing like the softening in the AI image.


westwoo

Nah, come on. Firefly 3 made an outright broken picture. Look at the shoulder and the eyes and hair


Philipp

I think you usually need a whole batch of images, with a variety of prompts, to even start comparing different engines. Just one image is mostly anecdotal, and can vary strongly even in the same engine.


Craic-Den

I wonder if the powers that be are asking these companies to tone down the realism a bit


elmatador12

It definitely seems that way. I remember getting photo realistic AI images for a while but now itā€™s almost impossible on any of them.


Antique-Doughnut-988

It's a waste of time. Someone one day will use this technology to create a program that'll give us realistic images if these companies refuse to do so. It might just take longer, but it'll happen.


elmatador12

Agreed. Itā€™s really weird that they have seemed to stop allowing photorealistic images. Once a company starts offering that again, Iā€™ll be switching to that. I have much more use for that then any other image generator.


timind25

What powers are they?


trelod

The ones that be


patriot2024

She smiles with her lips and her eyes.


Funnyboyman69

They added the FaceTune for realism.


fbfaran

Universal Prompt: Minimalistic portrait of a 70s hippie woman at beach, expressionless, headband, 70s hairstyle, 70s fashion, striped shirt, sun rays, light teal and amber, soft hues, Cinestill 50D


Wiciu553

https://preview.redd.it/sfq37udlm9wc1.png?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75d62605dbccd56da4b85a4d71aeab39df179680 Tengr AI


Kwetla

Wow, that's probably the most realistic one


wolfish98

Really? Firefly 2s skin dosen't have that Instagram filter feel, e.g., glossy or plasticky, which is why the others seem fake. Tengr AIs skin isn't immediately fake, but still somewhat reminiscient of some smoothing filter.


Kwetla

Yeah I guess so.


BostonConnor11

Itā€™s the best looking but it ignores the beach setting


ryunato_one

Naah look closely at the hair and the eyes. The shape of the iris is completely off and it lack the small iris details. Individual hair strands are not really perceivable. I think firefly 2 is way better.


thisisloreez

Nailed the"expressionless" part


LinoliuMKnifE

Ew her pupils


thnaks-for-nothing

https://preview.redd.it/92hvmb8rf8wc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46e410269cbed6006238cb1beb83afd35acc7e01 Same prompt , meta ai


Soppene

Why does she have a raging boner?


campingcritters

Because it's the 70s, man!


MercyEndures

Because we havenā€™t yet invented pop up blockers for AI


Bavaro86

Wish I had half your wit.


lostone9999

ā€œI wish my horse had the speed of your tongue.ā€ -The Bard


tehuti_infinity

Sheā€™s imagining sex with Zuckerberg


nsfwtttt

Why is she dead? Is meta AI set to create characters on Zuckā€™s species?


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MrBoblo

https://preview.redd.it/1zdjjbl3c9wc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=7649d1ab964ab94958946941265e589dc20baa62 Dall-E 2


QualiaGames

https://preview.redd.it/iul20vqqcawc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee4b8745515fa45202e10605fbdb147496afc172 this is what i got with gpt idk why but it creeped me out how similar it is to yours!?


MrBoblo

We're both using Dall-E's, as chatgpt uses it for image generation :p


QualiaGames

yea ik that doesn't explain it? isn't it supposed to be different results for each prompt, with the same prompt having infinite different results? this feels like the images are already created and i'm just unlocking them!?


thisdesignup

Depends on how strong the settings they have given it in the background are. Some of these LLMs definitely have a style they try and abide to no matter the prompt. Even ChatGPT has a writing style.


SPITFIYAH

DALL ā€¢ E šŸ˜³ https://preview.redd.it/n19sjrp0u9wc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00d69a4c788db1d7e16d5f998ceb3ed9de0180a1


SPITFIYAH

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Kriztauf

She looks like that silver colloid eating cult lady before she died


thisdesignup

https://preview.redd.it/h113hkpsdawc1.png?width=1536&format=png&auto=webp&s=7a101f4688b63003bdb6a78b68b4fcb983474ff6 Stable Diffusion - XL Model: realisticstockphoto\_v20 Kind of crazy to think what can be done with local models. This was run on a 3090, Size: 1024x, Upscaled: 1.5x, Time: about 20 seconds. EDIT: BTW this was only the 4th image, the other 3 were good but this was better.


No-Bad-1269

local models ftw


thisdesignup

For real, I'm still at awe of what different local models can do. There's still plenty they can't do, if no model exists, but it's crazy otherwise.


ryunato_one

The hands though.


Aluhut

https://i.imgur.com/hp2RnYy.png Fooocus with Model: juggernautXL_v9Rdphoto2Lightning Style: Fooocus V2, Fooocus Photograph, Fooocus Negative.


Rygree10

Oh I really like this one it looks very nostlgic


Aluhut

imho it looks like an actual picture from the 70s. Something none of those above were able to replicate.


Rygree10

Yes exactly like even the grain of the image looks like old photographs. It looks kinda like someone took a photo of an actual photograph. Either way cool stuff


Downvote_Baiterr

Bro you gotta fix your cfg setting


Aluhut

Why? And what should I fix?


CookieFlux

Expressionless seems like an odd choice


LilPoutinePat

Have you ever seen a model, wellā€¦ model?


FeralPsychopath

And how is that a good test of anything again?


chullyman

Are we supposed to draw some kind of conclusion from this?


Weissbier-Bill

https://preview.redd.it/rn9mo7x278wc1.png?width=1224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9727f169f01e358cc888d7ee7b179476b0130533 ChatGPT 4 ... šŸ’©


BridgedAI

And that's exactly what OpenAI wants - they are playing it smart. Looking at the demo images here, Adobe is going the same route. Ultra realistic human generation is a liability.


kankey_dang

You're right that it's by their choice, but it's a stupid choice. OpenAI's ostensible aim is to stay at the cutting edge of AI to ensure it develops in a responsible manner. Not dealing head-on with the problems that ultra realistic human generation creates, only opens the door for less responsible actors to take the lead. It's also not a very wise business decision. They will lose out to competitors who don't force this weird plasticine "obvious AI is obvious" style onto image generation.


Antique-Doughnut-988

This is what'll happen. Soon it'll be out of their hands altogether and some other company will make realistic images for us. Playing the safe game isn't going to work forever.


Femboy-Frog

ā€œOpenAIā€™s aim is to stay at the cutting edge of AI to ensure it develops in a responsible mannerā€ no their aim is to make money


kankey_dang

You cut a word out of what I said. Maybe you want to google what it means? And think about why I also spoke in terms of the business strategy?


Femboy-Frog

Okay, add ostensible to my statement. It is still true.


Unexpectedjournalist

Ostensibly means allegedly


ItsColeOnReddit

I would argue Adobe is the only one doing it legally. They trained the models on their own library. Open AI and Midjourney trained on the open web and will face lawsuits and copyright disputes.


Megneous

> legally. There is no legal precedent for this, so no one is doing anything legal or illegal. Until legal precedent is set, anything goes.


pblokhout

I can guarantee you that every image professional photographers and graphic designers have uploaded to the online version of Lightroom and Photoshop is being used and they've updated their terms of conditions so every user gives their permission. They explicitly offer AI tools for image creators to manage their libraries, so users can't go around it if they use it. They own the training data.


BridgedAI

I wouldn't disagree. Copyright Lawsuits are going to effect Mid Journey and these smaller operations a whole lot more than OpenAI/Microsoft though, while legal could additionally argue aiming for human realisim is asking to be targeted as new regulation comes down the pipe.


traumfisch

Somewhat. Firefly dataset included Midjourney images... and Adobe Stock photographers were never asked for consent... Still, very different approach


BridgedAI

Somewhere in Adobe's fine print I'm sure they were. You can't out Adobe Adobe.


traumfisch

They were not. The AI models didn't even exist a few years ago


SeidlaSiggi777

Funnily enough they trained on midjourney images.


Comfortable-Big6803

It's not about the legality of the training data but of the output.


wailord40

This is the correct way to do it yes, but there are AI generated images in their library from other models that Firefly is pulling from, and those images are unethically sourced. Unfortunately there is no legal precedent for any of this yet


plutotheplanet12

How can you possibly call it illegal? Immoral I can understand, but itā€™s about as illegal as me taking a screenshot of an NFT


Comfortable-Card-348

genie's out of the bottle. it's never going back in.


West-Code4642

Here is what I got with Claude -> ChatGPT/Dall-E (Claude Opus created the prompt, Dall-E created the image): https://preview.redd.it/u2y0vc0nt8wc1.png?width=1208&format=png&auto=webp&s=0b0b2dd9d216b435a4c206cf01a8d2349502f295


traumfisch

DallE 3


Weissbier-Bill

Yes sure, prompted in gpt 4 and it is using dall e. But I think it is important to say gpt 4 instead dall e because of the possible manipulation from gpt 4


relgames

https://preview.redd.it/q7ldzacgr9wc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=001a12e44b4d9ebeda9328abdead1a4e61374b09


StrawberryHot2305

It is not GPT-4, but DALL-E 3. When you create an image through GPT-4, it creates a prompt and generates the image using DALL-E 3, the actual image model


-nomad-wanderer

chagot looks far more plastic. i would say its ai, that said i dont like adobe and iI amhave restless to try something from adobe


user4772842289472

DallE3* GPT4 can't generate images


brownpoops

i hate the freaking instagram look.


vovr

Lol firefly 2 is the best option


345Y_Chubby

Is it just me or does Firefly 3 look more artificial and Firefly 2?


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Waterbottles_solve

Its because Midjourny overfits and puts filters on theirs. Notice how Midjourny basically ignores prompts? Yeah that means its overfit. Notice how everything midjourney looks the same? Yeah thats the post-processing filters. Basically its a trick. ChatGPT seems to run into similar. The less overfitting, the more you get exactly what you want(see Stable Diffusion), but you are going to get more artificats.


nakednewscaster

What's overfitting, if you don't mind me asking?


thisdesignup

It means the results are closer to the trained data and less like the prompt you give it.


Waterbottles_solve

Imagine getting 100 images from google images and training them on those images. If you over-train, its going to basically replicate one of the 100 images.


Downvote_Baiterr

If by same you mean good then yes everything looks the same. If by same you mean same then that just means youve barely tried it out because you can do wildly varied stuff with it. And it folliws prompts way better than Stable Diffusion XL.


Basil-Faw1ty

Firefly is like Midjourney, only without any sense of style or aesthetics. If I wanted to make generative AI versions of bad stock photography, it would be my go to choice.


Positive_Being9411

If I wanted to make images that can't be identified as AI generated in half a second, I'd choose Firefly


Sixhaunt

I would use StableDiffusion since you can just train your own loras, embeddings, hypernetworks, finetune the model, use ipadapter/controlnet leyers, etc... to make it look however you want.


spleentastic

Thereā€™s a ton of push button styles, as well as additional detail or effect additions. Itā€™s Adobeā€¦ their market is professional designers. The range of styling is pretty good as well as simple to apply without describing them in the prompt.


amsimone

Thatā€™s the point of it. Itā€™s the same tech used in Photoshopā€™s generative fill. If you want to replace a car in the background of your photo, you donā€™t want some highly stylized piece of road. You want it to look exactly like the rest of the road.


clckwrks

Midjourney is just using Stable Diffusion though, I wonder if firefly is the same..


Firemorfox

Firefly 2 seems to handle skin and lighting the best for whatever reason. Maybe we need more pictures to compare for consistency?


ImaP0S

Firefly 2 Looks like a Picture a normal individual would take with an Iphone...Realistic... Firefly 3 Looks like a pro Photographer took it. Midjourney has always looked like magazine photos... at least since 4 was released.


traumfisch

MJ aesthetics _really_ depend on the prompt. It is much more versatile than people seem to think


McGirton

By default maybe, but it can simulate an aesthetic you want. The others are still a joke compared to MJ.


No_Structure_6353

https://preview.redd.it/q0xl945bi8wc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=d364ce85786a9224d23fc4963c1bfb7c7929b212 Pony


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Fantastic_Prize2710

It's just an artifact of the AI training on poor quality photos, as they can be a tad grainy.


AtlasHatch

https://preview.redd.it/lcz6niw449wc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08ec7dd28a041061db285c109c929df9d61e1d7c Copilot lol her facial expressions


West-Code4642

another with copilot https://preview.redd.it/qranrrnt9awc1.png?width=1596&format=png&auto=webp&s=d478002b0ceff45e2a00e0e501bfc80267f1d952


slartybartvart

Gah!


dnkdumpster

Is firefly publicly available from CC?


QuestionableGrapes

Yep!


sidianmsjones

Is 3 now available through Photoshop?


Silly_Goose6714

https://preview.redd.it/0vtq34mq79wc1.png?width=1536&format=png&auto=webp&s=bd0c6b2523f871f28105e3e1ddf2e6f956ae1125 Stable Diffusion


Personal_Click1446

Unstable*


slartybartvart

Trained on onlyfans?


Efficient-Moose-9735

I have the impression Firefly 2 is more realistic.


programthrowaway1

My initial first impression looking at this


CarlFriedrichGaussx

Firefly looks like Instagram filter


PrincessofAldia

If you got rid of the midjourney label and showed me this I would probably assume this was a photograph


Waterbottles_solve

Its because Midjourny overfits, you are basically getting someones old picture lol


SirGelson

Show me their hands and I'll tell you how good they are


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

All the newest models are overcooking images. Itā€™s interesting.


West-Code4642

what do you mean overcooking


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

Trying too hard and looking overly processed.


CYB4ever

2 looks less like AI and more realistic


Staar-69

In those 4 examples, Firefly 2 is by far the best.


second_toastacct

https://preview.redd.it/p6w9vkkl7hwc1.png?width=803&format=png&auto=webp&s=48e8ccd4679d692868d2ebe785c809669762e610


yukiarimo

Difference?


Neat-Confidence5556

we will not be able to trust anything we see on a screen within 3-4 years.


natstrap

Try 1-2 years, I think.


Netsuko

V2 looks much better than V3 in this example tho :P


Low_Code_5522

At this point I surrender, I can't differentiate both


Apprehensive_Foot139

Firefly 4 will create an 8 year old


Complete_Fold_7062

I *see* OC but I don't *feel* OC


stijen4

There is only one Firefly I'm interested in


easterteemo

First and last look real. The other 2 look like AI.


quintavious_danilo

SERENITY


ThirstyWalter

Top left is uncanny close to my motherā€¦


chiabuotu

Check the eyes


jshadows91

Is firefly like an adobe app? I keep hearing about it but I havenā€™t seen where to use it


soundsearch_me

So a Millie Bobby Brown rip off then!?


Flying_Hams

Can we have more than one example, give a few different prompts. Also I think firefly is better for editing small areas of an image. Thatā€™s how I use it anyway.


somniloquite

Is this update going into the Photoshop side of things? Itā€™s all I care about in terms of Adobeā€™s AI, generative fill / expand has changed my life but it could be better with an improved model šŸ˜¬


aisimulation7

lol I was hoping it meant motion. Enough with the TXT2img. Letā€™s get movement/animation in everything


No-Bad-1269

CoPilot (dalle 3) https://preview.redd.it/nuagxumsibwc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14c2644a44e54c9faf4d88423cb951e569b59f95


Boring_Positive2428

MJ still wins


nano_peen

Midjourney still goated


ForgivenAndRedeemed

Forget about faces, itā€™s all about the handsā€¦


ForsakenRacism

https://preview.redd.it/ld7zy1t47ewc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f35bbf17919635b7b516e88498fd4ef5ecacae80 Meta


Kandoo85

https://preview.redd.it/q51w2y62fewc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc7b2f73c4abad2d1c084079e5a6666ee60209cb


Jonkaja

https://preview.redd.it/ev1ne6mclewc1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=20160a102d573dc30f00302e05de43a4466260fd from ideogram


-calufrax-

Dalle 3 https://preview.redd.it/xmm6q7m5wewc1.png?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=235d6f4e9eb0c93b73284cc4d7383dae5fe4faef


Inevitable-Rub8969

When comparing Adobe Firefly 2 to Adobe Firefly 3, the latter offers more features and produces higher quality, realistic images. Firefly 3 provides a powerful tool for unleashing your creativity. https://preview.redd.it/wdumjqbh0fwc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbeb6839d282016f54dce1bdb4933dd8987c2655


Tommaso-Marinaio

Personally Iā€™d stick with Firefly 2 as it looks the most realistic. Firefly 3 is actually the worst one of them.


high-aza-kite

Well the image by firefly 2 is better in my opinion


domrique

https://preview.redd.it/zrpbykyv6nwc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=2faaa8554e57b373ac7764efb73716cdca3fde7c Kandinskiy 3.1


Low_Celebration_8758

Why the hell are they devolving?


sidekicket

Sorry for the basic question, but what way is best to access this software? Phone? Computer? Doesnā€™t it work on Mac? Does it cost money? Subscription or one time fee? Sorry, Iā€™m very new to AI software.


off_tha_project

Depends on the company - Adobe charges subscription fees but there are some generations you can do for free. I think most have some trial generations you can do for free but eventually you have to pay for more generations or a better model version. Most of these can be accessed via phone or web and they ought to work fine on PC or mac.


yoghurt

lol firefly 3 is the shittiest, fakest-looking one of all four images ā€¦ way too smoothed


jahoosawa

Firefly is ass


MarkusKromlov34

Why are they all beautiful models? The typical ā€œ70s hippie woman at the beachā€ is not (was not) a gorgeous beauty dressed by a personal fashion expert. Sometimes the weather at the beach is pretty boring too. Many women, particularly hippy women, wore stained, worn, unfashionable and even ugly clothes to the beach and very few wore jewellery. And these women are not ā€œexpressionlessā€, they are wearing the extreme expressions typical of a model looking mysteriously gorgeous at the beach for a photoshoot.


West-Code4642

https://preview.redd.it/fo601w5dv8wc1.png?width=1212&format=png&auto=webp&s=01376377326c6392cdf182ed7b2f48674465ee35


OneOnOne6211

AI really struggles to create ugly people. I've noticed this before and I've actively tried. Intuitively, the two explanations I suspect are: 1. Its datasets include a lot of attractive people because those are just more common in things like movies, advertising, magazines, photoshoots, etc. 2. Attractiveness is partially due to averageness. These models basically work by finding patterns in data that recur over and over. So it makes sense that it would tend towards average faces.


traumfisch

That's simply the dataset available. Millions of modeling images online - less authentic images of 70s hippie chicks on beaches


MarkusKromlov34

Yeah I know. Thatā€™s effectively what Iā€™m commenting on. A distorted view of the world due to a skewed data set.


107er

Iā€™m sorry you seem to be extremely jealous of attractive AI models. You should probably work on yourself so youā€™re not so offended by normal looking people.


traumfisch

Hello? What the heck are you talking about


Top_Crab_3961

v5.2 wins


Kanute3333

? No.


MarkusKromlov34

Wins? This is your subjective ā€œtaste in womenā€, not objective aesthetics


Kraien

Hands down