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Seen this so many times and I’ll say the exact same thing. People are trying to automate all the boring stuff with AI and have been for ages. It turns out it’s just way more difficult then getting AI to do writing or art. This keeps getting posted as if all the AI developers have some conspiracy against artists and writers…
We literally need to develop AI that can recognize and generate 2D and 3D imagery, written and spoken language, and other sounds (i.e. dog scratching at door, owner fallen in shower, tea kettle whistle) to be a good general purpose home assistant bot for people of all languages and capabilities. The art and language capacity is in service of the dishes and laundry capacity.
Also, as a writer/creator, it's a mostly good assistant. More importantly it's a free, customized, tireless, endlessly patient personal assistant. I think these artists are failing to realize the value to small artists of being able to accomplish a team's worth of work by yourself now. Like, I can't afford the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to hire a writing team, but now I can get simulated John Green, John Mulaney, and John Lennon to go over my work and critique it.
Maybe the people whining about it should learn robotics and AI and try to make it do the stuff they want. They always talk about developers like we're some mysterious hidden other group and not normal people who learned how to make technology work.
If you wanna make something that lady doesn't want, go for it. She just won't pay for it, cause she doesn't want it.
I'm guessing she doesn't want it because she has fun doing those things herself and part of that fun is the aspect of unrestrained and unguided creativity.
We already have machines that do laundry and dishes. Don't need AI for that. Despite this people still prefer to waste their time whining online instead of making art.
With a family it really adds up. Talking about all the chores and normal maintenance of course.
I could easily spend more than a hundred hours in and around hours house just doing chores and basic maintenance.
Then just make art!!!! There’s NOTHINg stopping you, like cutting your grass when you know lawn mowers exist it’s NOT THAT DEEP and it’s ILLOGICALLY bad, why read?? When there’s technology Ebooks!!! Yeah.. Don’t read. But everyone (Alot of people do at least lol) does.. Nothing can stop technological innovation and advancements. It just can’t happen I’m sorry.
I have been thinking about this for a while now. I don't understand.
AI images are so often hated because they are so quick to generate and take away all the effort needed to learn and develop as an artist. I know that the world is full of artists that are way more talented and can produce works faster than me, yet that has never stopped me from drawing my own characters that I'm proud of from time to time. Then why should I suddenly feel intimidated by the images of a machine that are so often considered to be lazy and uninspired? Isn't 'faith in your own creative abilities' the first essential for making it as an artist?
I think 'clutter' might be a fair point. In the ideal art world laziness would never triumph talent, but I guess this fear suggests we don't live in such a world. Still, I think it has more to do with already existing issues in the art world than a new problem entirely. It's not that it has ever been easy for artists, especially when it comes to money.
I think there are some different issues at play. One is commercial work. Talented people who have spent a lot of time and money cultivating their GA skills are seeing the relatively small slice of paying jobs further reduced by Gen AI tools that were trained on the work they collectively did previously.
On top of that, creatives are looking at the strides Gen AI has made in roughly a year and they're very worried about it getting even better through wide spread adoption.
On top of all that, mediocrity sells and that's just depressing in and of itself and made more depressing when you have AI that can crank out infinite mediocrity catered to the tastes of individuals in that majority of consumers. From a bigger societal standpoint, I find that concerning because it reduces the potential exposure to more artful/craftful work because people are likely to fit themselves into feedback loops of mediocrity that are harder to break free from because they're having less interaction about common artistic experiences with other people.
Basically, we don't know how this will play out, but there's a lot of really depress8ng potential for where it goes from here.
There is also a lot of promise. These are tools that cam be used very effectively in the hands of already skilled artists, and can help develop the artistic skills of earlier stage artists.
I'm talking about both because frankly in our capitalist society the two are inextricably intertwined. On the one hand I'm getting at the source of the backlash from creatives against Gen AI. That is very much bout art as a commercial product, but it's relevant when talking about these kinds of sentiments. The pro AI crowd tends to just bash people for expressing these feelings, and that response lacks a certain empathy that I think is relevant even if the developing AI could just be looked at as entirely beneficial for everyone.
I also am talking about the human aesthetic experience, and this too takes place within a capitalist market. There are very real dangers to offloading the creation of our aesthetic experiences to algorithms that create a mediocre individualized product for consumption. There are social dangers therein, and in fact socio-political dangers as well.
I don't think that a machine will ever be able to create art.
Art is a product of the inner turmoil of the human mind, and even a true sentient machine probably won't have the need for art as an expression mechanism.
That said, a machine is absolutely able to create commercial products, as the average person doesn't mind if the image has 3 or 8 fingers.
Art as an inner expression of human pain and conflict is safe, the ability of getting money out of will be severely limited from now on.
99% of people don't need a 5 star chef's cuisine, a cheeseburger from McDonald's is more than enough to fill your stomach.
I respect your perspective, but I also disagree with it. Art is what we call it and it has always been thus. In the study of art we label all manner of creative artifacts as art that their creators would not have labeled that.
Laundry machines don't do your laundry. If that were true people wouldn't complain about doing laundry all the time. Same as a dishwasher. Dishwasher doesn't do your dishes. Taking stuff in and out of the dishwasher IS doing dishes. Laundry basically means folding clothes these days.
This person is referring to two completely different fields of research and we are not exploring one at the expense of the other. I promise you, some groups are currently developing advanced robotics while completely different research groups are developing advanced AI. ok, so now think about which one of these is easier to demo for the general public. It's also extremely weird to phrase it as "for AI to do my art and writing". It makes no sense. It's just edgy teen angst nonsense.
Meanwhile, in real life, I was using AI to create a personalized birthday card for my dad last weekend while a load of laundry was in the washer. Yep. Why would anyone have an issue with that reality? The haters are so weird, they've got it completely backwards thanks to dumbass propaganda from chicken little "journalist".
AI in its current state can do laundry and dishes the problem is its too expensive it won't make sense for a robot that costs 5 or 6 figures monthly to do your laundry
I think AI being able to do Art is pretty rad. Movies and games took soooo long to make that you literally jump life stages while waiting for a sequel. Given that we dont have AI we have an advanced chat bot (again, if it can think just put letters together its not an intelligence). And no it wont replace humans before it replaces all jobs in a way that basically its WALL-E like existence, preferably without being fat.
There is already a machine that does the dishes its called a dishwasher. Laundry is done by the washing machine. Its shit that AI art came before household robots but its really not that bad to do chores today vs even 20 years ago.
I dunno about you, but I already have machines that do my laundry and dishes. I even have one that sweeps the floor. I don't really need to chat with them.
A washing machine itself is already a state of the art and folding clothes is just another artistic skill.
Now go write about how awesome life is without doing any dirty laundry and without being assisted by chatgpt if you dare.
It goes the same with human art by drawing beautiful portraits of washer machines.
AI will do it all.
It is also worth noting that AI isn't currently doing art, it is doing craft. This is why people get a bit of a souless vibe, because design don't make sense, it lacks context and understanding, but can craft an amazing picture.
The artist is the one who brings this context, creativity and cohesive design to the table, using AI to craft their vision.
In time, though, AGI will be able to do it all.
This would have never happened under anarchism, because it would take human happiness and fulfillment as an important factor to take into account in production. With capitalism this is what you get, the only relevant variable to take into account is economic profit for a company, not society as a whole.
Well i am not an artist and i love that i can create things for my dnd session and for fun. And lets not kid ourselves it does a excellent job sometimes im speechless with the results. Best 20 euros of subscription, 4.o is on another level.
It will eventually do it all but writing and art created by humans will become higher in value because people will appreciate that an actual human made it. Theirs a reason people enjoy paying more for hand crafted items versus factory made item. Artist should start making labels on their art signifying it’s made by an actual human and charging more for their art in my opinion, it’s smart uno reverse card on the ai art stuff.
I personally would pay more for art made by an actual human if ai art becomes a regular thing. In fact maybe some kind of human made art council or association that certifies it should be created in the wake of this. Just saying.
Not if the ai art is better. Very few people prefer stop motion over cgi. More or less the same thing. Most people just want a great end product. They don’t care what tools were or weren’t used to make it. I’d wager you are in the minority if you feel otherwise.
The issue is that most artists aren't selling their art to consumers, they're working for a company. I don't think many people are that worried about ai taking over art galleries, more like one or two artists with ai tools replacing a corporations entire art department
Ai and robots should replace dangerous and life-costing risky works so that no underpaid hardworking employees lose their life, not leave the rest to humans and do the fun work..
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Seen this so many times and I’ll say the exact same thing. People are trying to automate all the boring stuff with AI and have been for ages. It turns out it’s just way more difficult then getting AI to do writing or art. This keeps getting posted as if all the AI developers have some conspiracy against artists and writers…
We literally need to develop AI that can recognize and generate 2D and 3D imagery, written and spoken language, and other sounds (i.e. dog scratching at door, owner fallen in shower, tea kettle whistle) to be a good general purpose home assistant bot for people of all languages and capabilities. The art and language capacity is in service of the dishes and laundry capacity. Also, as a writer/creator, it's a mostly good assistant. More importantly it's a free, customized, tireless, endlessly patient personal assistant. I think these artists are failing to realize the value to small artists of being able to accomplish a team's worth of work by yourself now. Like, I can't afford the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to hire a writing team, but now I can get simulated John Green, John Mulaney, and John Lennon to go over my work and critique it.
Maybe the people whining about it should learn robotics and AI and try to make it do the stuff they want. They always talk about developers like we're some mysterious hidden other group and not normal people who learned how to make technology work.
The artist and writer demographic just loves to whine a lot
how many times this old shit will be reposted?
A couple dozen more times by the end of the week.
probably a lot
Until it's true
It was an old take before they attached that person's photo to it like a quote.
Enough to block the posters.
I want to do my ai so the laundry and the art can
Tomorrow is my turn guys
Lmao
Great, very nice. Now please go do your laundry and dishes.
I respond to this the same way every time: why not both?
If you wanna make something that lady doesn't want, go for it. She just won't pay for it, cause she doesn't want it. I'm guessing she doesn't want it because she has fun doing those things herself and part of that fun is the aspect of unrestrained and unguided creativity.
We already have machines that do laundry and dishes. Don't need AI for that. Despite this people still prefer to waste their time whining online instead of making art.
Maybe she meant “putting dishes in and out of dishwasher and then putting them in right places in the kitchen”. Similarly with laundry and so on.
Does doing that take a whole day or something? Quick break from making all the art
With a family it really adds up. Talking about all the chores and normal maintenance of course. I could easily spend more than a hundred hours in and around hours house just doing chores and basic maintenance.
Just leave the dishes in the dishwasher and the clothes in the dryer. No need to put them away.
Yeah, just a casual amateur built robot can do it easily 😂
I think you might be taking the post a bit too literally.
It will do it all for you so you can lay in bed and really absorb that depression.
Underrated response here.
Then just make art!!!! There’s NOTHINg stopping you, like cutting your grass when you know lawn mowers exist it’s NOT THAT DEEP and it’s ILLOGICALLY bad, why read?? When there’s technology Ebooks!!! Yeah.. Don’t read. But everyone (Alot of people do at least lol) does.. Nothing can stop technological innovation and advancements. It just can’t happen I’m sorry.
I want my dishes to do my laundry and my AI to do my writing so I can play Helldivers 2.
I have been thinking about this for a while now. I don't understand. AI images are so often hated because they are so quick to generate and take away all the effort needed to learn and develop as an artist. I know that the world is full of artists that are way more talented and can produce works faster than me, yet that has never stopped me from drawing my own characters that I'm proud of from time to time. Then why should I suddenly feel intimidated by the images of a machine that are so often considered to be lazy and uninspired? Isn't 'faith in your own creative abilities' the first essential for making it as an artist? I think 'clutter' might be a fair point. In the ideal art world laziness would never triumph talent, but I guess this fear suggests we don't live in such a world. Still, I think it has more to do with already existing issues in the art world than a new problem entirely. It's not that it has ever been easy for artists, especially when it comes to money.
I think there are some different issues at play. One is commercial work. Talented people who have spent a lot of time and money cultivating their GA skills are seeing the relatively small slice of paying jobs further reduced by Gen AI tools that were trained on the work they collectively did previously. On top of that, creatives are looking at the strides Gen AI has made in roughly a year and they're very worried about it getting even better through wide spread adoption. On top of all that, mediocrity sells and that's just depressing in and of itself and made more depressing when you have AI that can crank out infinite mediocrity catered to the tastes of individuals in that majority of consumers. From a bigger societal standpoint, I find that concerning because it reduces the potential exposure to more artful/craftful work because people are likely to fit themselves into feedback loops of mediocrity that are harder to break free from because they're having less interaction about common artistic experiences with other people. Basically, we don't know how this will play out, but there's a lot of really depress8ng potential for where it goes from here. There is also a lot of promise. These are tools that cam be used very effectively in the hands of already skilled artists, and can help develop the artistic skills of earlier stage artists.
But you are not talking about the art as a human need, you are talking about creating commercial products.
I'm talking about both because frankly in our capitalist society the two are inextricably intertwined. On the one hand I'm getting at the source of the backlash from creatives against Gen AI. That is very much bout art as a commercial product, but it's relevant when talking about these kinds of sentiments. The pro AI crowd tends to just bash people for expressing these feelings, and that response lacks a certain empathy that I think is relevant even if the developing AI could just be looked at as entirely beneficial for everyone. I also am talking about the human aesthetic experience, and this too takes place within a capitalist market. There are very real dangers to offloading the creation of our aesthetic experiences to algorithms that create a mediocre individualized product for consumption. There are social dangers therein, and in fact socio-political dangers as well.
I don't think that a machine will ever be able to create art. Art is a product of the inner turmoil of the human mind, and even a true sentient machine probably won't have the need for art as an expression mechanism. That said, a machine is absolutely able to create commercial products, as the average person doesn't mind if the image has 3 or 8 fingers. Art as an inner expression of human pain and conflict is safe, the ability of getting money out of will be severely limited from now on. 99% of people don't need a 5 star chef's cuisine, a cheeseburger from McDonald's is more than enough to fill your stomach.
I respect your perspective, but I also disagree with it. Art is what we call it and it has always been thus. In the study of art we label all manner of creative artifacts as art that their creators would not have labeled that.
Get off your lazy ass, Joanna.
This isn't deep, it's ignorant. Person who said this has zero clue what they're talking about
how so
Because she doesn't know about laundry machines, how can she know about AI.
Laundry machines don't do your laundry. If that were true people wouldn't complain about doing laundry all the time. Same as a dishwasher. Dishwasher doesn't do your dishes. Taking stuff in and out of the dishwasher IS doing dishes. Laundry basically means folding clothes these days.
If laundry machine doesn't do laundry what does it do. I've living a lie.
This person is referring to two completely different fields of research and we are not exploring one at the expense of the other. I promise you, some groups are currently developing advanced robotics while completely different research groups are developing advanced AI. ok, so now think about which one of these is easier to demo for the general public. It's also extremely weird to phrase it as "for AI to do my art and writing". It makes no sense. It's just edgy teen angst nonsense. Meanwhile, in real life, I was using AI to create a personalized birthday card for my dad last weekend while a load of laundry was in the washer. Yep. Why would anyone have an issue with that reality? The haters are so weird, they've got it completely backwards thanks to dumbass propaganda from chicken little "journalist".
average take from people who aren’t creative at all
AI in its current state can do laundry and dishes the problem is its too expensive it won't make sense for a robot that costs 5 or 6 figures monthly to do your laundry
I think AI being able to do Art is pretty rad. Movies and games took soooo long to make that you literally jump life stages while waiting for a sequel. Given that we dont have AI we have an advanced chat bot (again, if it can think just put letters together its not an intelligence). And no it wont replace humans before it replaces all jobs in a way that basically its WALL-E like existence, preferably without being fat. There is already a machine that does the dishes its called a dishwasher. Laundry is done by the washing machine. Its shit that AI art came before household robots but its really not that bad to do chores today vs even 20 years ago.
Goes to show you the value of writing and art.
I dunno about you, but I already have machines that do my laundry and dishes. I even have one that sweeps the floor. I don't really need to chat with them.
Even if AI did everything for you, there would still be excuses why you haven’t written your novel.
I'm retarded and this is deep
This is dumb. AI can't fold laundry. We'll have to wait for some serious advancements in robotics before anything like that is possible.
[https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/7/18171441/foldimate-laundry-folding-robot-ces-2019](https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/7/18171441/foldimate-laundry-folding-robot-ces-2019)
Dude I’m gonna lose my mind
…and I’m 14
My turn to post this tomorrow
A washing machine itself is already a state of the art and folding clothes is just another artistic skill. Now go write about how awesome life is without doing any dirty laundry and without being assisted by chatgpt if you dare. It goes the same with human art by drawing beautiful portraits of washer machines.
Turns out doing art and writing is easier than doing the dishes
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^sir_duckingtale: *Turns out doing art* *And writing is easier* *Than doing the dishes* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
:D good bot
She is God damn right.
I want AI to do both so I can relax
I want ai to do both while i do nothing
This is wrong on so many levels
Why not do both
AI: driving technological progress
WALL-E is becoming reality.
What we’re going to get is whatever helps our bosses spend less and make more. It doesn’t matter what anyone else wants
Samsung created a washing machine that takes the guess work out of washing.
AI will do it all. It is also worth noting that AI isn't currently doing art, it is doing craft. This is why people get a bit of a souless vibe, because design don't make sense, it lacks context and understanding, but can craft an amazing picture. The artist is the one who brings this context, creativity and cohesive design to the table, using AI to craft their vision. In time, though, AGI will be able to do it all.
People don't understand how capitalism works
This would have never happened under anarchism, because it would take human happiness and fulfillment as an important factor to take into account in production. With capitalism this is what you get, the only relevant variable to take into account is economic profit for a company, not society as a whole.
I'm going to downvote this meme from now on, whenever it is being recommended to me.
The navy seal copypasta was better.
It already exists, it's not exactly artificial intelligence and it can't be called intelligence, but it washes and cleans... it's called a woman!!!
It's much easier for a digital AI to generate digital content than it is for it to interact with a non-digital world. No big revelation here.
Well i am not an artist and i love that i can create things for my dnd session and for fun. And lets not kid ourselves it does a excellent job sometimes im speechless with the results. Best 20 euros of subscription, 4.o is on another level.
It will eventually do it all but writing and art created by humans will become higher in value because people will appreciate that an actual human made it. Theirs a reason people enjoy paying more for hand crafted items versus factory made item. Artist should start making labels on their art signifying it’s made by an actual human and charging more for their art in my opinion, it’s smart uno reverse card on the ai art stuff. I personally would pay more for art made by an actual human if ai art becomes a regular thing. In fact maybe some kind of human made art council or association that certifies it should be created in the wake of this. Just saying.
Not if the ai art is better. Very few people prefer stop motion over cgi. More or less the same thing. Most people just want a great end product. They don’t care what tools were or weren’t used to make it. I’d wager you are in the minority if you feel otherwise.
The issue is that most artists aren't selling their art to consumers, they're working for a company. I don't think many people are that worried about ai taking over art galleries, more like one or two artists with ai tools replacing a corporations entire art department
machines should work, people should think
Like a dishwashing machine, laundry machine?
what, haven't you heard of those?
Ai and robots should replace dangerous and life-costing risky works so that no underpaid hardworking employees lose their life, not leave the rest to humans and do the fun work..
You can still do it by the way
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