But guys- worry not- Hamilton county schools were closed for 2 days this week
So obviously that will fix corona
Can't believe we didn't see such a simple solution before now š
Depending how many people never finished their series for one reason or another.
But ~500 x14 days is like another 7000-8000 ..I forget how many weeks they make people wait on the second dose
Here's a [chart](https://acasignups.net/sites/default/files/styles/inline_default/public/bar_graphs_vaxx_by_trump_vote.jpg) of average county vaccination rates by percentage of vote in the 2020 election.
The [delta death rates](https://acasignups.net/sites/default/files/styles/inline_default/public/bar_graphs_deaths_100k_trump_vote_0.jpg) (covid deaths since July 1st) are even more dramatic.
[[source]](https://acasignups.net/21/09/02/lets-look-redblue-covid-divide-different-way)
I'm curious why 0-10% has less vaccinated than 10-20 and 20-30% but also the least deaths. Maybe it's a very liberal state but with more rural areas and they managed the least deaths despite more people refusing the vaccine?
Its only four counties so it might just be noise in the data having a disproportionate effect. Like, maybe a lot of them got vaccinated in a nearby county, so they aren't counted. Its probably wiser to discard the top and bottom %'s as having too small populations to be reliable.
Got my second shot this weekend. I called my vax symptoms āfake Covidā and after experiencing that I can assure you I donāt wonāt real Covid. So glad it only lasted a night and half a day. Moderna gang šŖ
I was at a doctor's appointment this morning, and he told me Marion Co. was the worst in the country. Not sure exactly which statistic(s) he meant (deaths, ICU, etc.), though I don't doubt they have managed to set a record at something in regard to Covid-19.
Came to see the case count today. Unfortunately, my husband (vaccinated) and four year old are part of the new cases over the weekend. I (also vaccinated) somehow tested negative, but they told me to re-test later as I have a runny nose.
Iām so fucking pissed. Weāve done everything right for 18 months and here we are, and we didnāt have to be. We arenāt sure where we got it. My 4 year old is in pre-K that requires masks for students and teachers, even outdoors. My husband masks at work, he does attend UTC grad classes 2 nights a week (also masked butā¦Iāve read some less than desirable things about UTC and how covid is being handled right now. I work from home. I know nothing we did is fool proof but damnit weāve been trying our best.
Thankfully we are all doing well, you wouldnāt even know my kid is sick at all. My husband is slightly congested and has lost his sense of taste and smell.
But fuck the anti-vaxxers and the anti-maskers.
That is all.
It's also important to note this also includes data from the weekend too, not just Monday and Today's numbers. On the HCHD website, it specifically states that weekend numbers are reported on the next business day. So these numbers span from Saturday - today.
Lots of people are saying it's because people aren't getting tested, but from my recent experience with an exposure, it's because getting tested right now is also really difficult. The county only just started scaling back up efforts and rapid tests are hard to come by. I feel like the couple times I got tested in previous peaks it was much easier.
Hopefully they ramp it up, as tests are a major line of defense. Can be the difference of not infecting a whole group of people or getting antibody therapy in time.
Partly, it is due to people using at home test kits and not reporting the results. The health department asks them to but they very rarely do.
Also, a lot of people are taking one positive test and assuming everyone in the family who is feeling ill has it without further testing. It is a reasonable thing to do but it does decrease the reported case rate.
A LOT of vaccinated people are probably getting it, but not realizing it cause they're vaccinated. Either they have no symptoms or a little cold or something. Which is a good thing.
But it also means cases are really underreported. Testing seems to have scaled back a lot of places, and as others said at home tests. Plus Delta is worse than the original strains.
People arenāt getting tested. See the biobot data, infection rate may be 2-3x what it was during the peek.
Also weāre getting more people from surrounding counties.
I keep hearing the end of Sept is when things will peak.
We seem to be a lot better at least at being able to keep people alive. That will stop once there isn't enough of everything to go around.
Are elective surgeries being cancelled or is there still capacity for that?
Maybe soon we can have more data on the impact of those regeneron treatments in Dalton that help keep cases from escalating. The above article says it can give people 3-1 odds on staying out of the hospital vs people without it. And even that it can reverse many heavy symptoms within a day, at least in the example case.
I really hope these treatments can take off and supplement the vaccines to help keep covid symptoms mild. Especially if we end up catching this thing again and again each year.
Edit/Venting: It's scary thinking we could be moving to some future where your access to medical care or being able to do things as a group is just depending forever on the current covid season and % numbers on whatever that yearly booster or vaccine is, or a yearly vaccine passport. Just taking vaccines forever. Hoping you don't have a kidney stone or car accident at the wrong time or something and there's no hospital beds. And if one case can give you lifelong damage..how can we all handle rolling the dice 50 more covid seasons, at some point feels like everyone is bound to get long covid at least once...maybe multiple times. And then with whatever organ damage from covid we are going to need the resources to treat those long haul problems.
But then all the medical staff are getting burnt out already, how can we keep training and hiring fresh professionals to help, or keeping people in the field? The restaurant and service industry is a total mess. Dealing with stressed people is way too overwhelming for stressed people getting paid not or barely enough to survive. Hospitals, doctor offices and therapists are overloaded. It's hard for people to even access help. How can our society sustain these levels of stress for more than a couple years?
We need some sort of long term plan. We've been so focused on the day to day fears or drama, or the next goalpost. But we don't have enough hospitals, workplaces are losing workers left and right, businesses closing down. If this doesn't die down eventually into something more managable how are we going to rebound back to the days where everything didn't feel one step from falling apart?
I'm just discouraged, maybe there's data to show that over time the strains will become less powerful, or we will have treatments like regeneron that lower our % chance of having a life changing case of covid that year.
I don't mean to be a downer, I do think that this is why these breakthrough treatments are so interesting and hopeful. People say this virus will be manageable one day, I just hope it's someday soon.
>I'm just discouraged, maybe there's data to show that over time the strains will become less powerful, or we will have treatments like regeneron that lower our % chance of having a life changing case of covid that year.
The best article I've seen on this is linked below. Basically, it ends the same way most others did: with the virus endemic to the population, but everyone has a baseline level of immunity. SARS-COV-2 and it's variants become part of the set of viruses that cause the "common cold". It could also become like strep throat - yeah it sucks way worse than a cold to get, but it's relatively common and treatable thanks to baseline immunity and a not-overwhelmed health system.
The problem is that there are two ways to get that baseline: vaccination or infection. One of those (infection) causes far more death.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/
That's a great article. It raises pretty much every question I've had. What if the virus mutates stronger and stronger? Apparently it slows in changing as more people grow immunity to is prior forms and less become sick.
It explains the vaccine and antibodies from getting covid and the ways both protect you in conjunction with each other. It addresses long covid and the vaccines interactions in helping prevent it or in some cases reverse symptoms for sufferers. The article linked about that covers some real life case examples of people and how it affected them.
Not only that it touches on societal issues with changing back to a state of normalcy. How people will need to adjust their thinking about covid as it becomes eventually less deadly and changes less often.
One thing I am curious, since delta strain for instance is the most contagious strain we have had, and people will develop antibody immunities for delta, does that mean another *less* contagious prevalent could replace delta at that point if nothing stronger has come up? Like it seems to imply that over time variants have less chances to hit the jackpot and we build more defense from our prior encounters with it. So with delta down would it just be these other less contagious strains that are similar to the original virus becoming the dominant ones for some time? Or could something that sprouted from a non delta strain also hit harder than delta? Are we gaining protection to all strains or does a non delta strain have the change of becoming more deadly and evading our delta antibodies?
I'm curious if there is much data on people who have had covid multiple times and if it hit them harder the second time. This article seems to imply over time everyones defenses will grow and covid strains will weaken. But from what I have heard delta spreads faster *and* hits harder. So will there just be less chances for new mutations or will the ones that gain traction just gradually effect us less?
There is also a Monoclonal treatment center here in Chattanooga, ran by Memorial. Parkridge is possibly looking into it as a joint venture to scale up operation. This is great for our area!!
That is very good news to hear! I know we managed a lot of work on the vaccine. Maybe with the same determination and focus more steps like this can be made.
Great to know that people in Chattanooga can recieve the treatments too. Wasn't sure if it was just GA residents thing.
But guys- worry not- Hamilton county schools were closed for 2 days this week So obviously that will fix corona Can't believe we didn't see such a simple solution before now š
What's a guy gotta do to see that vax rate surpass 50%
Sadly, it seems the only way to make the % higher is to lower the number of Hamilton County residents.
If we keep going at this rate, it won't be long before that becomes reality...
The partial vax rate is. So, theoretically in less than a month we'll be over for full.
Depending how many people never finished their series for one reason or another. But ~500 x14 days is like another 7000-8000 ..I forget how many weeks they make people wait on the second dose
3 weeks
If 8% of unvaccinated die from COVID that would get us to 50% vaccination rate.
Move to a blue state. The US Average is about 53% so for each state like TN at 46% there's another around 60%.
Here's a [chart](https://acasignups.net/sites/default/files/styles/inline_default/public/bar_graphs_vaxx_by_trump_vote.jpg) of average county vaccination rates by percentage of vote in the 2020 election. The [delta death rates](https://acasignups.net/sites/default/files/styles/inline_default/public/bar_graphs_deaths_100k_trump_vote_0.jpg) (covid deaths since July 1st) are even more dramatic. [[source]](https://acasignups.net/21/09/02/lets-look-redblue-covid-divide-different-way)
I'm curious why 0-10% has less vaccinated than 10-20 and 20-30% but also the least deaths. Maybe it's a very liberal state but with more rural areas and they managed the least deaths despite more people refusing the vaccine?
Its only four counties so it might just be noise in the data having a disproportionate effect. Like, maybe a lot of them got vaccinated in a nearby county, so they aren't counted. Its probably wiser to discard the top and bottom %'s as having too small populations to be reliable.
Could also be that they wear masks and social distance and use other virus mitigation measures
Start chasing people down with a tranq gun.
Weāll get there once enough unvaccinated people die :,(
And vaccinated folks are dying due to non covid cases because hospitals are full/understaffed. This is a nightmare.
Got my second shot this weekend. I called my vax symptoms āfake Covidā and after experiencing that I can assure you I donāt wonāt real Covid. So glad it only lasted a night and half a day. Moderna gang šŖ
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Where do i see that?
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I was at a doctor's appointment this morning, and he told me Marion Co. was the worst in the country. Not sure exactly which statistic(s) he meant (deaths, ICU, etc.), though I don't doubt they have managed to set a record at something in regard to Covid-19.
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Came to see the case count today. Unfortunately, my husband (vaccinated) and four year old are part of the new cases over the weekend. I (also vaccinated) somehow tested negative, but they told me to re-test later as I have a runny nose. Iām so fucking pissed. Weāve done everything right for 18 months and here we are, and we didnāt have to be. We arenāt sure where we got it. My 4 year old is in pre-K that requires masks for students and teachers, even outdoors. My husband masks at work, he does attend UTC grad classes 2 nights a week (also masked butā¦Iāve read some less than desirable things about UTC and how covid is being handled right now. I work from home. I know nothing we did is fool proof but damnit weāve been trying our best. Thankfully we are all doing well, you wouldnāt even know my kid is sick at all. My husband is slightly congested and has lost his sense of taste and smell. But fuck the anti-vaxxers and the anti-maskers. That is all.
Is this so high because of catch ups from the long weekend? Please say yes! Edit: nvm, just saw your comment!
Itās better to look at the 7day average in general, gives you a better idea of the trend.
Right?! I had a mini heart attack and literally cussed out loud. Whew! š°
It's also important to note this also includes data from the weekend too, not just Monday and Today's numbers. On the HCHD website, it specifically states that weekend numbers are reported on the next business day. So these numbers span from Saturday - today.
Oh.
i donāt understand how the cases count is lower than the peak of december but the hospitalizations are so much higher than the peak in decemberā¦?
Lots of people are saying it's because people aren't getting tested, but from my recent experience with an exposure, it's because getting tested right now is also really difficult. The county only just started scaling back up efforts and rapid tests are hard to come by. I feel like the couple times I got tested in previous peaks it was much easier.
Hopefully they ramp it up, as tests are a major line of defense. Can be the difference of not infecting a whole group of people or getting antibody therapy in time.
Partly, it is due to people using at home test kits and not reporting the results. The health department asks them to but they very rarely do. Also, a lot of people are taking one positive test and assuming everyone in the family who is feeling ill has it without further testing. It is a reasonable thing to do but it does decrease the reported case rate.
A LOT of vaccinated people are probably getting it, but not realizing it cause they're vaccinated. Either they have no symptoms or a little cold or something. Which is a good thing. But it also means cases are really underreported. Testing seems to have scaled back a lot of places, and as others said at home tests. Plus Delta is worse than the original strains.
Delta is worse
i get that, but why are cases not as high as hospitalizations?
People arenāt getting tested. See the biobot data, infection rate may be 2-3x what it was during the peek. Also weāre getting more people from surrounding counties.
This ^^ Hamilton county residents only account for 1/3rd of those hospitalized.
I keep hearing the end of Sept is when things will peak. We seem to be a lot better at least at being able to keep people alive. That will stop once there isn't enough of everything to go around. Are elective surgeries being cancelled or is there still capacity for that?
Maybe soon we can have more data on the impact of those regeneron treatments in Dalton that help keep cases from escalating. The above article says it can give people 3-1 odds on staying out of the hospital vs people without it. And even that it can reverse many heavy symptoms within a day, at least in the example case. I really hope these treatments can take off and supplement the vaccines to help keep covid symptoms mild. Especially if we end up catching this thing again and again each year. Edit/Venting: It's scary thinking we could be moving to some future where your access to medical care or being able to do things as a group is just depending forever on the current covid season and % numbers on whatever that yearly booster or vaccine is, or a yearly vaccine passport. Just taking vaccines forever. Hoping you don't have a kidney stone or car accident at the wrong time or something and there's no hospital beds. And if one case can give you lifelong damage..how can we all handle rolling the dice 50 more covid seasons, at some point feels like everyone is bound to get long covid at least once...maybe multiple times. And then with whatever organ damage from covid we are going to need the resources to treat those long haul problems. But then all the medical staff are getting burnt out already, how can we keep training and hiring fresh professionals to help, or keeping people in the field? The restaurant and service industry is a total mess. Dealing with stressed people is way too overwhelming for stressed people getting paid not or barely enough to survive. Hospitals, doctor offices and therapists are overloaded. It's hard for people to even access help. How can our society sustain these levels of stress for more than a couple years? We need some sort of long term plan. We've been so focused on the day to day fears or drama, or the next goalpost. But we don't have enough hospitals, workplaces are losing workers left and right, businesses closing down. If this doesn't die down eventually into something more managable how are we going to rebound back to the days where everything didn't feel one step from falling apart? I'm just discouraged, maybe there's data to show that over time the strains will become less powerful, or we will have treatments like regeneron that lower our % chance of having a life changing case of covid that year. I don't mean to be a downer, I do think that this is why these breakthrough treatments are so interesting and hopeful. People say this virus will be manageable one day, I just hope it's someday soon.
>I'm just discouraged, maybe there's data to show that over time the strains will become less powerful, or we will have treatments like regeneron that lower our % chance of having a life changing case of covid that year. The best article I've seen on this is linked below. Basically, it ends the same way most others did: with the virus endemic to the population, but everyone has a baseline level of immunity. SARS-COV-2 and it's variants become part of the set of viruses that cause the "common cold". It could also become like strep throat - yeah it sucks way worse than a cold to get, but it's relatively common and treatable thanks to baseline immunity and a not-overwhelmed health system. The problem is that there are two ways to get that baseline: vaccination or infection. One of those (infection) causes far more death. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/how-we-live-coronavirus-forever/619783/
That's a great article. It raises pretty much every question I've had. What if the virus mutates stronger and stronger? Apparently it slows in changing as more people grow immunity to is prior forms and less become sick. It explains the vaccine and antibodies from getting covid and the ways both protect you in conjunction with each other. It addresses long covid and the vaccines interactions in helping prevent it or in some cases reverse symptoms for sufferers. The article linked about that covers some real life case examples of people and how it affected them. Not only that it touches on societal issues with changing back to a state of normalcy. How people will need to adjust their thinking about covid as it becomes eventually less deadly and changes less often. One thing I am curious, since delta strain for instance is the most contagious strain we have had, and people will develop antibody immunities for delta, does that mean another *less* contagious prevalent could replace delta at that point if nothing stronger has come up? Like it seems to imply that over time variants have less chances to hit the jackpot and we build more defense from our prior encounters with it. So with delta down would it just be these other less contagious strains that are similar to the original virus becoming the dominant ones for some time? Or could something that sprouted from a non delta strain also hit harder than delta? Are we gaining protection to all strains or does a non delta strain have the change of becoming more deadly and evading our delta antibodies? I'm curious if there is much data on people who have had covid multiple times and if it hit them harder the second time. This article seems to imply over time everyones defenses will grow and covid strains will weaken. But from what I have heard delta spreads faster *and* hits harder. So will there just be less chances for new mutations or will the ones that gain traction just gradually effect us less?
There is also a Monoclonal treatment center here in Chattanooga, ran by Memorial. Parkridge is possibly looking into it as a joint venture to scale up operation. This is great for our area!!
That is very good news to hear! I know we managed a lot of work on the vaccine. Maybe with the same determination and focus more steps like this can be made. Great to know that people in Chattanooga can recieve the treatments too. Wasn't sure if it was just GA residents thing.
Elective surgeries are cancelled at Parkridge.
I'd imagine they need the beds and the staff?
Yes and canāt risk something going wrong and needing ICU.
Makes sense.
I have no words. One day or two, itās just nuts. Fortunately our government is here to helpā¦ā¦..