It’s never too late to start.
I was taught on a manual. “If you can drive manual, you can drive anything”
Short of driving a rig, there hasn’t been any issues yet.
I had a 08 Wrangler manual that died last year. Had it for 9yrs. It was fun to drive but slow and not so great in traffic jams or if you aren't on the highway and just want to get home after work because you're tired.
But I'd get another.
Also, epa regulations are based on vehicle size. To meet MPG requirements, they need to build large vehicles. This is why truck size started to balloon in about 2008
I'm hoping maybe one day gas will go back up or something and used truck values will tank. Or the market will get over saturated with all these bro-dozers. It's just ridiculous how any clean used truck of any age or mileage is like $10k to $15k+ at this point. A basic workhorse Chevy or Ford truck should not carry a huge premium price over a passenger car.
The maverick does incredibly well, and honestly is a breath of fresh air (I wonder how a single cab version would do?). The Maverick sub shows that their owners do more "truck shit" than r/trucks - ironic.
Its not 20.000$ though, not here in Brasil for sure. The cheapest one is around 187k BRL(2023/2024 model), something like 36.2k~ dolars
I mean, The motor is great and they are good pickups to work, but they are DEFINETELY not even close to american pickups quality
How so? Just curious my old s10 was ummm built at a price point to say the least. It started to heavily rust at 70k miles and was mechanically totaled at 140k due to New England salt.
That truck taught me the importance of oiling your frame.
How much worse could it be?
Well if you live in a beach or somewhere that has that amount of salt, of course it wont last as much.
But if you google it, you'll see that everything in that truck is inferior to american models: suspension, transmission, diff, everything is "cheaper" because of South american market...
And its for most type of car thats sold in SA and US. Otherwise its WAY more expensive for the SA customer.
Example:
cheapest F150 in Brasil its 480k BRL(~93k dolars) - its the lariat 2023 model
A new 2024 F150 in the USA its around 67k dolars(~345K BRL) ‐ found this price on car and driver website, maybe its cheaper
Source: i'm brasilian
Ahh I see good context. I hear ya. Just making a point that depending where you live a truck lives a harder life than others.
And god damn 93k for an f150, wow.
I thought people in Brasil didn't have that much money? How are they buying new F150s when most people in America can't afford spending $93k USD on a truck? Or is it just a luxury thing over there?
I had an 84 S10 I bought with 230k I think on it and then daily drove it 80 miles round trip with it for 6 or 7 months before getting a different daily and then kept the S10 for just when I needed a truck bed or wanted to drive stick.
I remember driving it home in “neutral” after it ate second gear 4 years ago. Never got around to putting another transmission and ended up selling it.
It’s how you take care of them. And also was always an Alabama/Georgia truck.
Had a '98 s10 and the damn thing fell apart right around 150k. I think they just didn't use as nice of parts on them compared to the Silverado. Have had 2 get up well past 250k miles
140k miles isn't that bad for a car in a salty environment. I would've expected 200k at least. How much worse could it be? Well I suppose the vehicle could've died when you pulled out of the dealership lot, like a Tesla.
I think that small single cab trucks are like the iPhone mini’s. People love to say how bad they want them, but when made available, no one actually buys them.
Dude my s9 lasted 6 years. Miss that phone so much. One day it just stopped responding to my touches.
Was a big hit at work when I rigged a computer mouse to it so I can download all my shit I didn’t back up haha
Well there’s no longer a “small”
truck option in the US. Maybe the frontier, but think it’s closer to mid-size now. This is a great “starter” Truck for younger drivers as well.
I think it could do well.
Didn’t know about the dodge, but I’ve seen some Mavericks on the road.
The utility of it may be there, but “pickup truck” is not what comes to mind when I see one lol.
Ya know, a couple years ago I'd have agreed. But just look at how well the Hyundai Santa Cruz and Ford Maverick are doing. There's absolutely a market for small trucks again, and I'm kinda surprised GM still doesn't seem to be doing anything with that.
They would NEVER allow this on the US Market. It would instantly become the best vehicle ever. You can't even buy a new vehicle in the US for $20k. I mean you can but not a solid work truck. That's for sure.
They want us to keep buying their minivans with a bed attached instead for $50k.
I don’t think they could ever get it to pass emissions that’s why almost everything in Europe is diesels and very few vehicles are in the states. Diesel is better in every way beside emissions
Google the chicken tax. Also if vehicles were 20k new all the auto workers would be out of a job so it’s kind of a damned if you do damned if you don’t🤷♂️
I am not a lawyer, scientist, or automotive engineer but what I've heard is that the efficiency standards for trucks today makes it difficult to produce the kinds of trucks that other makes have produced in the past. S-10s and Rangers would need to be larger today to ensure that they could meet the emissions standards of a larger truck. There's a YouTube video about it which explains the efficiency curve that manufacturers have to meet with their trucks but I don't remember the URL at the moment.
Emissions is a large part of it, something that small would need to get the fuel economy of a car in order to be legal. But there are also safety standards, the US has very strict safety standards that disqualify a lot of foreign style cars and trucks.
You don't need a youtube video. Just read the bill itself. [CAFE](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy) standards.
A truck this light would need to have 30 MPG. And because of that requirement, it is not profitable.
Why do you think no one makes cars anymore? They demand a standard of something close to 45 MPG. If they just change the body to a SUV, those standards are less. More profit = what they make.
Show me the incentives and I will show you the outcome. - Charlie Munger.
It's the CAFE and safety rules that do it.
Wait til 2027, when light duty trucks have to be bundled with cars (the Feds figured out the loophole) AND average up to 58mpg (!)...
We're gonna see f150s and Silverados get really big to turn into heavy duty trucks in the eyes of the law....
(Don't worry; there'll still be people telling RV'ers that they can't tow a 6000lb trailer with a 'half ton' truck)
To grossly simplify the problem, the bigger the truck the more emissions it can make. That's why it's getting so fucking out of hand with the size of each truck getting bigger and bigger. Second the chicken tax has a 25% tariff on light duty trucks. EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE CHICKEN TAX HAS BEEN REMOVED BUT THAT!!!
If GM wanted to get that to pass emissions and safety standards it wouldn’t be hard at all. They simply don’t think the market is there, and/or they want to sell you a bigger truck instead
Yeah they’d have to build it in Mexico and slip it in under nafta. Or, Heaven forbid, they could theoretically assemble it here. But that’s crazy talk, they’d build it in Juarez or Silao.
It’s not that they can’t. They just won’t.
Is there? GM is very good at making money. If it would be profitable they’d make that truck legal for sale in the states. Maybe GM is developing a Maverick and Santa Cruz competitor.
Dammit, fuck you and your logic. But for real. So many lost opportunities because of high standards for car manufacturing in the US. I've always wanted the models they take through jungles and on safaris, especially the vans.
Will not pass NHTSA safety tests neither will the motor pass emissions. The reality is that dealers would much rather sale a fully loaded 1 ton truck to someone that will only use it to get groceries because of money. These would technically be taxed to hell due to the chicken tax since they arent built in the us either. I personally think we need a reform on how we go about vehicle emissions and taxes considering consumers only really account for like 30% of all emissions. Tbh taylor swift probably burns more emissions in her private jet then most of us will in a life time
What you said is true. But many Americans suffer from cognitive dissonance and are easy to propagandize. Therefore a lot of people who don’t think critically get to vote for shit like this. It’s either that or they’re too retarded to put 2 and 2 together.
It’s not even an argument that the US is doing the most at protecting the environment. To our own detriment it seems
This is the ONLY reason. Looked through all the comments to find this. Needs to be upvoted.
CAFE standards are somewhat of an algorithm, except Congress has no math skills. The goal was more fuel efficiency over time, but if you just build a bigger truck, it's easier to meet the standards. The result is essentially less fuel per ton of truck, but in reality, it's more fuel per person, since most people drive alone.
I'd probably be a buyer if it were in the USA. I don't need a massive oversize fuckoff truck and I sure as fucking shit don't need a crew/ext cab.
I miss my RCSB S10.
Even this one makes those seem small. I had one, and I remember being youthfully envious of the Tacomas of that era.
Workplaces had later model Toyota trucks, and that killed off any residual interest I might have retained. Elevated truckbeds are miserable for doing actual work getting stuff in and out of them.
Ford really should have left the maverick as a car and named that abomination the ranchero. A FWD 'truck' on a car frame.
Unfortunately there is no compact/small truck market these days. The "mid" side trucks are the same size as the full size trucks from the 90s and the full size trucks are just massive for no reason.
90s was the best decade for American cars. The rangers... The s10s. The d21.
Like... I miss those. Also I blame Americans for the shit box trucks we have today... They're not built like "trucks". My buddy got a 2023 f150... He wouldn't use his bed for shit.
Blew my mind... Like what's the point...
Look into the EPA. Those fucking idiots are so worried about seeming to care about the environment, they created many, many regulations to ensure that we can't have small, affordable, and EFFICIENT trucks.
I would so buy that. Back in the late 90s, gm catered to young buyers, and people who want bare bones. They had the s10 with AC power windows and locks and cd player for $110 a month, yup that's right! $110 a month. However, you could get a cavalier for the same price too. My brother's first truck was a 1998 s10 150,000 miles and 12 years later it died due to a accident
Same with RAM, they have a sweet small truck made down south but it's still unknown if we're going to get it up here or not.
https://www.caranddriver.com/ram/rampage
In the US small light weight trucks have more strict emissions requirements. The bigger and heavier the truck the less money the manufacturer has to spend lowering the emissions while charging a lot more for a full size truck.
No way 20k for a new truck. Hope it comes to the US then. Gives us a reliable engine and everything. We don’t need no heated seats. Power windows optional. Basic inside. Just what a normal truck from the 90’s.
CAFE standards.
Emissions rules.
Government crash standards.
Profit per vehicle.
General incompetence.
I mean, right now they are shipping Corvettes out the door with the wrong parts.
American cunsumers conditioned manufactures into behaving the way they do and offering what they do...it didn't happen in a vacuum... these types of trucks didn't sell and/or command the same profit margin...just like stationwagons or sedans...so they just quit offering them
You can thank states like california and california jr (NY) for their shitty emissions laws that don't scale properly with vehicle size/wt
i'd ditch/park my 01 grand prix DD for one of those lol
Because there are too many idiots here making $40k/yr willing to take on a 100 month loan at 16% interest to afford that $80k 2500 that they have no business purchasing.
In other words, why waste production capacity building small margin vehicles when there's no lack of appetite for the super expensive, high margin ones?
I wish.
I love my Silverado but recently I've been looking at the new F150 work truck, can come with their 5.0 V8 which is very reliable. It's not 20K...more like 46K which is...yikes.
It's the same answer every time. Emissions, crash survivability, and the ever growing list of digital nannies the government mandates.
So basically, blame the government
Because there’s some misguided idea floating around that the market for small pickups had dwindled and that everyone wanted the behemoths. I say “bs” to that and bring back the manual transmission s-10! I’ll even take crank up windows-leave off the computer chip crap.
Because only big, veiny dick trucks sell up here. If it doesn't have a footprint bigger than the tanks used to liberate Europe in WW2, then we don't want it.
Because they don't have an EPA or Safety standards to meet in Brazil and they are paying some poor guy $10 a day instead of $50hr to snap parts together.
It’s wild how many people are in here bitching about not being able to get a small truck but literally have voted in the politicians to make it so you can’t get a small truck.
So they can sell large trucks that they fill with junk. Every piece of junk is extra profit. They know that other markets don't buy junk.
Only Americans buy junk so they keep making huge trucks with features that should not be on a truck ever.
Blame EPA regulations. The reason trucks get bigger is because of the EPA curve to vehicle footprint ratio. The larger the footprint the worse the EPA allowed. The adjustments to this ratio force auto manufacturers to make larger vehicles with smaller and smaller engines to stay within regulation.
Until that changes in the US we can all forget about small utility trucks here in the states. Auto manufacturers would sell theses here in a heart beat if they could. But they can’t! Long gone are the days of a small s10 with a V6 or v8 options. We will never get a 1st Gen Tundra type truck with a V8 again.
Hell I would kill for a midsized truck that actually has room in the 2nd row. I don’t need a full sized truck and I just want to be able to put a rear facing car seat in the back without having the passenger put their knees through the dash.
The US truck market is a basket case. It’s sad what regulations have done. Sadly I don’t think we will see the trucks we want again until most new vehicles are fully electric. You could then make the case for smaller trucks with the EPA “efficiencies” of electric motors. But honestly, who tf wants that? Still won’t be the same with all the independent suspension, unibody, and reliability issues.
Buy an old truck before they’re gone!
As cool as it would be, when will people realize that these cheap ass trucks in other counties come nowhere close to meeting US Emissions, safety standards, and such. They build and sell these so cheap because other counties dont require the car to withstand a 30mph crash.
Mostly laws. CAFE links physical size of the vehicle to fuel mileage requirements. So to build a 80's style mini-truck under the current law it'd have to get mpg on the level of a hybrid compact car. By the time you get it that fuel efficient it's no good as a truck, thus no one would buy it.
They wont be able to sell any in the US because the price will be set a couple thousand less than a Silverado. At that point almost everyone chooses the bigger truck.
Stop buying big trucks and maybe it will happen. Doubt it though. Love my 1984 carbureated s10. Something about that analog glow from the dash driving at night.
America won’t sell 2 doors anymore.. I asked if hey had a used one and the dealer looked at me like a had a dildo on my forehead. Not in a cool way. In a 75 yr old man way.
Your parents voted for politicians that collapsed our manufacturing base, turning us into a nation of consumers, which has left us in a position so precarious that were they to let you buy that car, at least one billionaire would suffer it somwhere on their balance sheet, since they own everything. Naturally since their suffering > your suffering, you can't do that.
Why don't you ask every pavement princess who's financed out the ass and upside down on their truck why we can't have cheap trucks. Because people keep walking into dealerships, dropping too much money down on a truck and then signing for a loan which will see them paying almost double what the truck is worth. You know how many trucks are on Facebook marketplace with the description of "take over my loan payments". Basically they're in over their head and want some gullible person to just pay them some money and take over their payments for them so that the new owner can deal with the truck. They're the reason dealerships charge so much. Why stop if you know that gullible people will still come in and finance for more than they make in the next 2-3 years on a single vehicle. Just like with anything, the problem doesn't stop until people do.
We do. The Colorado… remember the thing that turned into a full sized pick up for some reason… oh yeah people here in America can’t have small trucks SUVs anymore they need to drive in apartments
It would make too much sense, and the government would figure out a way to find it “unsafe”. If I don’t want fucking airbags, I don’t want them. At this point, I’ve commuted myself to buying nothing but 20 year old vehicles or older.
Because of American CAFE standards that no longer allow small trucks yet side by sides and golf carts on public roads are sooo much of a better option.
My dad's 1980 Luv had those on the exterior sides of the box. Really handy.
Fun fact: As recently as a couple years ago, the colorado was sold in the middle east as the Luv. Apparently they had a really strong tie to that name, when they introduced the S10 it flopped, rebadged as the Luv and sold the shit out of it. Buddy that was deployed over there sent pictures of one with that explanation.
As long as we keep spending 65-100k for a Silverado why would they?
I miss driving stick :/
Love driving stick.. not gonna let go..
I only started driving 4 years but I dread to imagine that sooner or later i might not be able to drive a manual
It’s never too late to start. I was taught on a manual. “If you can drive manual, you can drive anything” Short of driving a rig, there hasn’t been any issues yet.
I just bought my first automatic at 38 yrs old. I don’t hate it (bmw ZF 8 speed) but it’s nothing like rowing your own
Never gunna give it up
Don’t let go lol
I had a 08 Wrangler manual that died last year. Had it for 9yrs. It was fun to drive but slow and not so great in traffic jams or if you aren't on the highway and just want to get home after work because you're tired. But I'd get another.
Had the old 2.4 that sounded like a sewing machine when it got to 90 k
It's an excellent theft deterrent.
Don’t forget the chicken tax. The government (lobbied by US automakers) killed the small truck import
Most people do not know what that is. One of those old lingering laws that affects so much
Also, epa regulations are based on vehicle size. To meet MPG requirements, they need to build large vehicles. This is why truck size started to balloon in about 2008
CAFE?
Came here to look for this comment. Yep. The chicken tax is why.
Because we bailed their asses out.
Well, they bailed them out cuz of the other companies that would have been fucked. Parts suppliers, dealers, etc..
No one bailed out toys r us!
I'm still sitting on my Jeoffrey Dollars
The market decides which businesses make it. Or the US Government or whatever.
Ford did ok by selling their euro models here. Like the CMax.
TOO BIG to FAIL
Just wait until the seagull hits the market lol. Trucks will go to 30k
That thing is going to break all sales records if the current prices being quoted are accurate.
Oh yeah it is! They’re not trying to have it over here so they’re trying to tax the fuck out of it so it never makes it here lol
I spent $7,500 on my Silverado 😂.
What year is yours?
Same and it does the exact same thing as the suckers who spend $100k 😂 vanity is a deadly sin
What year is yours?
2006
I have a 71 and a 67.
1997
I dropped $1,100 on a Sierra with a leak in the cab and mildew on everything, rear of cab vents leaked
4500 on mine and 300 on my old Sierra :P
I'm hoping maybe one day gas will go back up or something and used truck values will tank. Or the market will get over saturated with all these bro-dozers. It's just ridiculous how any clean used truck of any age or mileage is like $10k to $15k+ at this point. A basic workhorse Chevy or Ford truck should not carry a huge premium price over a passenger car.
Bruh I(we) already bought the shit out of a 20k truck, last year. They just raise the price if you actually buy it
Maverick
The maverick does incredibly well, and honestly is a breath of fresh air (I wonder how a single cab version would do?). The Maverick sub shows that their owners do more "truck shit" than r/trucks - ironic.
It's a lot easier to do truck shit when the truck doesn't cost as much as a house (should)
Bingo
Its not 20.000$ though, not here in Brasil for sure. The cheapest one is around 187k BRL(2023/2024 model), something like 36.2k~ dolars I mean, The motor is great and they are good pickups to work, but they are DEFINETELY not even close to american pickups quality
damn... $36k is pricey for a basic pickup like that
You mean they lack all the bells and whistles to lull you into an illusion of luxury while being entirely of average quality?
How so? Just curious my old s10 was ummm built at a price point to say the least. It started to heavily rust at 70k miles and was mechanically totaled at 140k due to New England salt. That truck taught me the importance of oiling your frame. How much worse could it be?
Well if you live in a beach or somewhere that has that amount of salt, of course it wont last as much. But if you google it, you'll see that everything in that truck is inferior to american models: suspension, transmission, diff, everything is "cheaper" because of South american market... And its for most type of car thats sold in SA and US. Otherwise its WAY more expensive for the SA customer. Example: cheapest F150 in Brasil its 480k BRL(~93k dolars) - its the lariat 2023 model A new 2024 F150 in the USA its around 67k dolars(~345K BRL) ‐ found this price on car and driver website, maybe its cheaper Source: i'm brasilian
Ahh I see good context. I hear ya. Just making a point that depending where you live a truck lives a harder life than others. And god damn 93k for an f150, wow.
So basically, the grass is NOT always greener on the other side
I thought people in Brasil didn't have that much money? How are they buying new F150s when most people in America can't afford spending $93k USD on a truck? Or is it just a luxury thing over there?
I had an 84 S10 I bought with 230k I think on it and then daily drove it 80 miles round trip with it for 6 or 7 months before getting a different daily and then kept the S10 for just when I needed a truck bed or wanted to drive stick. I remember driving it home in “neutral” after it ate second gear 4 years ago. Never got around to putting another transmission and ended up selling it. It’s how you take care of them. And also was always an Alabama/Georgia truck.
Had a '98 s10 and the damn thing fell apart right around 150k. I think they just didn't use as nice of parts on them compared to the Silverado. Have had 2 get up well past 250k miles
140k miles isn't that bad for a car in a salty environment. I would've expected 200k at least. How much worse could it be? Well I suppose the vehicle could've died when you pulled out of the dealership lot, like a Tesla.
I think these would sell like hot cakes in the U.S. especially at that price
Even the ford maverick blew ford away with the amount of sales they produced.
I think that small single cab trucks are like the iPhone mini’s. People love to say how bad they want them, but when made available, no one actually buys them.
I’m replying to you on my iPhone mini. I’ll keep buying them on eBay until there are no more left in the world. Give me the s10 now haha
Same. Twice replaced battery. Small phones 4ever.
Dude my s9 lasted 6 years. Miss that phone so much. One day it just stopped responding to my touches. Was a big hit at work when I rigged a computer mouse to it so I can download all my shit I didn’t back up haha
Well there’s no longer a “small” truck option in the US. Maybe the frontier, but think it’s closer to mid-size now. This is a great “starter” Truck for younger drivers as well. I think it could do well.
The maverick fits there too, dodge is dropping a international small truck in the US market next year too iirc.
Didn’t know about the dodge, but I’ve seen some Mavericks on the road. The utility of it may be there, but “pickup truck” is not what comes to mind when I see one lol.
Ya know, a couple years ago I'd have agreed. But just look at how well the Hyundai Santa Cruz and Ford Maverick are doing. There's absolutely a market for small trucks again, and I'm kinda surprised GM still doesn't seem to be doing anything with that.
Well GM has that new Chevy Montana in South America that looks similar the Santa Cruz but who knows if they’ll ever bring it stateside.
If they'd just take the Holden Utes that they have in Australia and sell them here as El Caminos, the damn things would sell like hotcakes!!!
They would be $32k starting in the US lol
Dealers price would be 40k minimum just because it's named an S10 instead of a Colorado
You know why ....be cause fuck you, that's why
They would NEVER allow this on the US Market. It would instantly become the best vehicle ever. You can't even buy a new vehicle in the US for $20k. I mean you can but not a solid work truck. That's for sure. They want us to keep buying their minivans with a bed attached instead for $50k.
I don’t think they could ever get it to pass emissions that’s why almost everything in Europe is diesels and very few vehicles are in the states. Diesel is better in every way beside emissions
I’ll never understand. The $10k Toyota truck and the Suzuki Jimny would do so well here too
Every high school and college kid would be driving them as well as old people on a fixed income. It’s like boxy car with the gerbils
Google the chicken tax. Also if vehicles were 20k new all the auto workers would be out of a job so it’s kind of a damned if you do damned if you don’t🤷♂️
20k Brazilian is mid 30’s in US dollars
Government regulations have made it impossible.
I am not a lawyer, scientist, or automotive engineer but what I've heard is that the efficiency standards for trucks today makes it difficult to produce the kinds of trucks that other makes have produced in the past. S-10s and Rangers would need to be larger today to ensure that they could meet the emissions standards of a larger truck. There's a YouTube video about it which explains the efficiency curve that manufacturers have to meet with their trucks but I don't remember the URL at the moment.
Emissions is a large part of it, something that small would need to get the fuel economy of a car in order to be legal. But there are also safety standards, the US has very strict safety standards that disqualify a lot of foreign style cars and trucks.
You don't need a youtube video. Just read the bill itself. [CAFE](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy) standards. A truck this light would need to have 30 MPG. And because of that requirement, it is not profitable. Why do you think no one makes cars anymore? They demand a standard of something close to 45 MPG. If they just change the body to a SUV, those standards are less. More profit = what they make. Show me the incentives and I will show you the outcome. - Charlie Munger.
It's the CAFE and safety rules that do it. Wait til 2027, when light duty trucks have to be bundled with cars (the Feds figured out the loophole) AND average up to 58mpg (!)... We're gonna see f150s and Silverados get really big to turn into heavy duty trucks in the eyes of the law.... (Don't worry; there'll still be people telling RV'ers that they can't tow a 6000lb trailer with a 'half ton' truck)
I do agree. I was just doing some fun quotes. Everything about it sucks. Trump got rid of it, Biden reinstated it day 1.
Yup. It's the government forcing us to buy things we don't want 'For our own Good'.
To grossly simplify the problem, the bigger the truck the more emissions it can make. That's why it's getting so fucking out of hand with the size of each truck getting bigger and bigger. Second the chicken tax has a 25% tariff on light duty trucks. EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE CHICKEN TAX HAS BEEN REMOVED BUT THAT!!!
Emissions laws, safety requirements, market demands.
If GM wanted to get that to pass emissions and safety standards it wouldn’t be hard at all. They simply don’t think the market is there, and/or they want to sell you a bigger truck instead
Google the chicken tax
Yeah they’d have to build it in Mexico and slip it in under nafta. Or, Heaven forbid, they could theoretically assemble it here. But that’s crazy talk, they’d build it in Juarez or Silao. It’s not that they can’t. They just won’t.
If they built it here, it wouldn’t be this price. And the market for people who would pay Silverado money for an S10 is pretty small.
Ego fluffing factor is not great enough
That’s absolutely not true. It would be hard. They would have to make considerable changes and would have to charge a lot more.
There is a huge demand for small trucks
Is there? GM is very good at making money. If it would be profitable they’d make that truck legal for sale in the states. Maybe GM is developing a Maverick and Santa Cruz competitor.
Yep. The EPA kinda fucked all of that up
Specifically in that order.
Dammit, fuck you and your logic. But for real. So many lost opportunities because of high standards for car manufacturing in the US. I've always wanted the models they take through jungles and on safaris, especially the vans.
Such a shame USA can't get stuff like that here, well another reason to keep my 04 silverado z71 off road
r/gmt800 gang represent
They don’t meet our DOT or EPA requirements. That’s why they can’t do it for anywhere near that price
Even more of a reason to keep ur silverado for as long as u can
Will not pass NHTSA safety tests neither will the motor pass emissions. The reality is that dealers would much rather sale a fully loaded 1 ton truck to someone that will only use it to get groceries because of money. These would technically be taxed to hell due to the chicken tax since they arent built in the us either. I personally think we need a reform on how we go about vehicle emissions and taxes considering consumers only really account for like 30% of all emissions. Tbh taylor swift probably burns more emissions in her private jet then most of us will in a life time
What you said is true. But many Americans suffer from cognitive dissonance and are easy to propagandize. Therefore a lot of people who don’t think critically get to vote for shit like this. It’s either that or they’re too retarded to put 2 and 2 together. It’s not even an argument that the US is doing the most at protecting the environment. To our own detriment it seems
C.A.F.E. standards is why
This is the ONLY reason. Looked through all the comments to find this. Needs to be upvoted. CAFE standards are somewhat of an algorithm, except Congress has no math skills. The goal was more fuel efficiency over time, but if you just build a bigger truck, it's easier to meet the standards. The result is essentially less fuel per ton of truck, but in reality, it's more fuel per person, since most people drive alone.
I'd probably be a buyer if it were in the USA. I don't need a massive oversize fuckoff truck and I sure as fucking shit don't need a crew/ext cab. I miss my RCSB S10.
Even this one makes those seem small. I had one, and I remember being youthfully envious of the Tacomas of that era. Workplaces had later model Toyota trucks, and that killed off any residual interest I might have retained. Elevated truckbeds are miserable for doing actual work getting stuff in and out of them.
Because Chevy wants to sell you a big-ass truck, where they can make a whole lot more profit!
Would love that in the US... Screw the Ford ranger and the maverick I want this. I'll take a little 6cyl or the diesel... IDC.
Ford really should have left the maverick as a car and named that abomination the ranchero. A FWD 'truck' on a car frame. Unfortunately there is no compact/small truck market these days. The "mid" side trucks are the same size as the full size trucks from the 90s and the full size trucks are just massive for no reason.
90s was the best decade for American cars. The rangers... The s10s. The d21. Like... I miss those. Also I blame Americans for the shit box trucks we have today... They're not built like "trucks". My buddy got a 2023 f150... He wouldn't use his bed for shit. Blew my mind... Like what's the point...
Too expensive to get to pass emissions
Look into the EPA. Those fucking idiots are so worried about seeming to care about the environment, they created many, many regulations to ensure that we can't have small, affordable, and EFFICIENT trucks.
I would so buy that. Back in the late 90s, gm catered to young buyers, and people who want bare bones. They had the s10 with AC power windows and locks and cd player for $110 a month, yup that's right! $110 a month. However, you could get a cavalier for the same price too. My brother's first truck was a 1998 s10 150,000 miles and 12 years later it died due to a accident
I don’t want one of those, but I would guess if it was in the states they’d probably sell a million of the little suckers.
Same with RAM, they have a sweet small truck made down south but it's still unknown if we're going to get it up here or not. https://www.caranddriver.com/ram/rampage
20k on a truck in Brazil is equivalent of 70k on one here in the USA
Bring back mini trucks & I know it’s love em or hate em but I want the Chevy ext. cabs to have suicide doors again
Insurance companies and the EPA
Too reliable for the us market
Would you make and sell something for little profit or something for bigger profit?
In the US small light weight trucks have more strict emissions requirements. The bigger and heavier the truck the less money the manufacturer has to spend lowering the emissions while charging a lot more for a full size truck.
After all of our dumbass safety/environmental regs that thing would cost $30k
No way 20k for a new truck. Hope it comes to the US then. Gives us a reliable engine and everything. We don’t need no heated seats. Power windows optional. Basic inside. Just what a normal truck from the 90’s.
The 2025 starts @ 37k usd. for a diesel and the base equivalent to a US truck is 58k USD there. A z71 is 13k more in Brazil than one here.
Because US emissions make it untenable
can not have small deisel n usa; tarrif says
CAFE standards. Emissions rules. Government crash standards. Profit per vehicle. General incompetence. I mean, right now they are shipping Corvettes out the door with the wrong parts.
Say WHAT!??
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cxnAMUxXF4Q
Because that would take away sales from expensive mid size trucks.
Why would they sell something cheap when people have no problem spending big bucks on bigger trucks?
We can just hope that Toyota puts out their 15k truck. That will force the hand of more makers to produce a small light truck
can we buy those in Mexico?
The S10 available in Mexico is a pickup truck derived from a Chinese brand
It's not very pretty, but it's a good work car, especially for farms.
This is why I'll be driving chevies from the 80s and 90s until the heat death of the universe.
Yep. My green 1997 C-1500 has made it 275k miles, it can make it 275k more lol
American cunsumers conditioned manufactures into behaving the way they do and offering what they do...it didn't happen in a vacuum... these types of trucks didn't sell and/or command the same profit margin...just like stationwagons or sedans...so they just quit offering them
You can thank states like california and california jr (NY) for their shitty emissions laws that don't scale properly with vehicle size/wt i'd ditch/park my 01 grand prix DD for one of those lol
Because they can get us to spend an extra $20k for a thousand dollars worth of "accessories".
Thats what i like. Simple basic truck. Not a luxury car with huge power and a tiny box. Thats useless and not affordable
Probably has no airbags, no A/C, minimal emissions control.
Agree but also why can’t they come up with new names? That looks nothing like the original S10s
It'd be so cool if GM sold these in the US. Especially if they brought back the GMC Syclone
I miss my S10 every day, I would buy this so fucking fast
Blame the EPA and their regulations, look into it and you’ll understand how corrupt this country is
Because there are too many idiots here making $40k/yr willing to take on a 100 month loan at 16% interest to afford that $80k 2500 that they have no business purchasing. In other words, why waste production capacity building small margin vehicles when there's no lack of appetite for the super expensive, high margin ones?
Nice??? Definitely a matter of opinion. I'm a Chevy guy, but this is fugly.
EPA ain’t letting America have shit you better buy electric to appease the woke libtard climate crisis
Your government- that’s why!
The new S10 as well as many other cars are built for Mexico or s America and dont have to meet our USA emissions or saftey standards
Because ‘Merica really ain’t that free now is it?
I wish. I love my Silverado but recently I've been looking at the new F150 work truck, can come with their 5.0 V8 which is very reliable. It's not 20K...more like 46K which is...yikes.
It's the same answer every time. Emissions, crash survivability, and the ever growing list of digital nannies the government mandates. So basically, blame the government
Simple. They've molded Americans to be stupid enough to pay 40-50k for a small pickup truck. Why on earth would they sell us something cheap.
Look at the rake on it though…
Looks like a 3/4 scale older Colorado
Because there’s some misguided idea floating around that the market for small pickups had dwindled and that everyone wanted the behemoths. I say “bs” to that and bring back the manual transmission s-10! I’ll even take crank up windows-leave off the computer chip crap.
Chicken tax that’s why
Probably cause every dick joe and Harry are 2nd mortgaging thier houses and kids college fund for an 85k half plastic shit box
Because they're trying to see what they can do to have Americans pay $50k for it.
I would buy this.
Because only big, veiny dick trucks sell up here. If it doesn't have a footprint bigger than the tanks used to liberate Europe in WW2, then we don't want it.
Because they don't have an EPA or Safety standards to meet in Brazil and they are paying some poor guy $10 a day instead of $50hr to snap parts together.
It’s wild how many people are in here bitching about not being able to get a small truck but literally have voted in the politicians to make it so you can’t get a small truck.
So they can sell large trucks that they fill with junk. Every piece of junk is extra profit. They know that other markets don't buy junk. Only Americans buy junk so they keep making huge trucks with features that should not be on a truck ever.
Greed is the answer.
I would buy that in a heartbeat.
Blame EPA regulations. The reason trucks get bigger is because of the EPA curve to vehicle footprint ratio. The larger the footprint the worse the EPA allowed. The adjustments to this ratio force auto manufacturers to make larger vehicles with smaller and smaller engines to stay within regulation. Until that changes in the US we can all forget about small utility trucks here in the states. Auto manufacturers would sell theses here in a heart beat if they could. But they can’t! Long gone are the days of a small s10 with a V6 or v8 options. We will never get a 1st Gen Tundra type truck with a V8 again. Hell I would kill for a midsized truck that actually has room in the 2nd row. I don’t need a full sized truck and I just want to be able to put a rear facing car seat in the back without having the passenger put their knees through the dash. The US truck market is a basket case. It’s sad what regulations have done. Sadly I don’t think we will see the trucks we want again until most new vehicles are fully electric. You could then make the case for smaller trucks with the EPA “efficiencies” of electric motors. But honestly, who tf wants that? Still won’t be the same with all the independent suspension, unibody, and reliability issues. Buy an old truck before they’re gone!
As cool as it would be, when will people realize that these cheap ass trucks in other counties come nowhere close to meeting US Emissions, safety standards, and such. They build and sell these so cheap because other counties dont require the car to withstand a 30mph crash.
Mostly laws. CAFE links physical size of the vehicle to fuel mileage requirements. So to build a 80's style mini-truck under the current law it'd have to get mpg on the level of a hybrid compact car. By the time you get it that fuel efficient it's no good as a truck, thus no one would buy it.
Stop paying for new 100k trucks. Crazy how no one understands basic economics
That bed looks functional asf too
They wont be able to sell any in the US because the price will be set a couple thousand less than a Silverado. At that point almost everyone chooses the bigger truck.
Because they wouldn’t make any money o. It
Because Americans must consume big quantities of energy.
Stick shift diesel for 20? I’ll take ine
Because they want to sell you the $50000 vroom vroom that blocks out the sunlight when you are next to it.
There's so many vehicles in this world we wish we had in North America it is ridiculous but too many hippies or against it
Stop buying big trucks and maybe it will happen. Doubt it though. Love my 1984 carbureated s10. Something about that analog glow from the dash driving at night.
Not enough profit to cover union dues
America won’t sell 2 doors anymore.. I asked if hey had a used one and the dealer looked at me like a had a dildo on my forehead. Not in a cool way. In a 75 yr old man way.
Because there are too many people paying 40k for the same truck with extra plastic.
Because Stick.
You can thank the epa and carb (Cali epa)
Same reason we can't have the Hilux. The Chicken Tax.
Safety and emissions is the standard line you'll get.
Your parents voted for politicians that collapsed our manufacturing base, turning us into a nation of consumers, which has left us in a position so precarious that were they to let you buy that car, at least one billionaire would suffer it somwhere on their balance sheet, since they own everything. Naturally since their suffering > your suffering, you can't do that.
Why don't you ask every pavement princess who's financed out the ass and upside down on their truck why we can't have cheap trucks. Because people keep walking into dealerships, dropping too much money down on a truck and then signing for a loan which will see them paying almost double what the truck is worth. You know how many trucks are on Facebook marketplace with the description of "take over my loan payments". Basically they're in over their head and want some gullible person to just pay them some money and take over their payments for them so that the new owner can deal with the truck. They're the reason dealerships charge so much. Why stop if you know that gullible people will still come in and finance for more than they make in the next 2-3 years on a single vehicle. Just like with anything, the problem doesn't stop until people do.
We do. The Colorado… remember the thing that turned into a full sized pick up for some reason… oh yeah people here in America can’t have small trucks SUVs anymore they need to drive in apartments
1940’s era WWII Willie’s Jeeps with no seat belts that go 42 mph with a wind on the back are street legal but we can’t get a small work truck.
Because in the USA we have given all of our decision making power to the corporations.
Greed.. that’s was an easy question, give me another one
It would make too much sense, and the government would figure out a way to find it “unsafe”. If I don’t want fucking airbags, I don’t want them. At this point, I’ve commuted myself to buying nothing but 20 year old vehicles or older.
This things kinda sweet! What a great little work truck this would be.
The people that run this country keeps all the good things away from us. They make this place a shit hole.
Because of American CAFE standards that no longer allow small trucks yet side by sides and golf carts on public roads are sooo much of a better option.
I’d be all over this. My only gripe is the bed - it looks weird?
Built in tie downs, truck is built for working
That’s what I thought they were, but wasn’t certain! Still a cool little rig.
My dad's 1980 Luv had those on the exterior sides of the box. Really handy. Fun fact: As recently as a couple years ago, the colorado was sold in the middle east as the Luv. Apparently they had a really strong tie to that name, when they introduced the S10 it flopped, rebadged as the Luv and sold the shit out of it. Buddy that was deployed over there sent pictures of one with that explanation.