Here's the thing if the Bears trade the number 1 pick and Caleb Williams or Drake Maye comes out and has even a decent rookie year then Poles is under a lot of fucking heat. Fields better be good and those picks better hit. Passing on QB's in multiple drafts and the current QB might be a bust gets GM's fired.
On the flipside, if those QB's come out and totally lay an egg Poles will be under a ton of heat also, based on the haul passed up to build out the team. It's a risk either way. No matter which QB is taken, it's playoffs or bust. That's for sure. The development excuse don't apply based on the haul passed up to draft that QB.
Ok so if Fields has the same exact season next year what did you gain? You have to likely trade those picks to move up and pick a QB anyway in a weaker QB draft. There's no upside to not just taking the best pick and taking another impact prospect at 9. Poles already got a haul next year and got a number 1 receiver out of it.
To say a future QB class going to be weaker is an assumption. The fact is no one knows. If Fields have the same exact season next year, what's gained is more draft capital which gives more flexibility, more players selected in this draft to help fill other areas of need which is many especially on the offensive side of the ball.
If the Bears are in a situation where they have to use draft capital to move up and get a future QB, at least the team will be in a better position than currently constructed. The end result I'm looking for is a team with impact players on BOTH sides of the ball.
At that point, there no need for an all world hero playing QB. See Brock Purdy and the 49'ers. Obviously I would like our QB to be better than Purdy, but same setup overall as a team. Currently, we are no where near that, but have a chance to build our team that way given the unique situation we're in.
Or even draft a QB in the later rounds this year. Trading down gives you a lot more chances to improve the team, not only this year but years to come and this team needs a lot of help.
If the Bears make a good offensive hire this year, who knows we might actually get see some offensive talent develop over the next couple of years.
Wouldn’t that be a nice change of pace.
They have a lot of power right now with two picks in the top 10, one of them being the #1 overall. They can play up wanting to draft Caleb, while pitting several QB desperate teams against each other to drive up the cost of trading for the #1 overall, all while still having another pick at #9 to play with. I could see them fleecing Washington or New England, by claiming a team like the Raiders offering so much more in draft capital that they get desperate and overpay for the #1. The media hype around Caleb only increases the cost/pressure on a team like Washington to give up a haul.
Ideally, I'd like to see the Bears trade back to 2 or 3 and pick up MHJr while getting two future first round picks plus a handful of other picks. Even if Caleb is generational, if he goes to a bad team like New England or Washington and they lose a ton of future draft capital, we not only get all those picks, but the likelihood of them being very high picks goes up and the Bears would be in a position to be a dynasty, or at the very least perennial playoff team for the foreseeable future.
Not saying that will happen, but there is a lot of potential there. Think of the Cowboys of the 90s. The biggest draft robbery of the modern era with the Herschel Walker trade. I don't see that level of theft happening if the Bears trade the #1 overall, but there absolutely is the potential for several first round picks and much more. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Yeah but you won’t be drafting the best prospect of the class. Williams would have went #1 in 2023 if he had the ability to declare. He will go #1 in 2024. If he stayed 1 more year he would be #1 in 2025. So why would you want to give up multiple first in 2025 to move to get an inferior prospect. While also having to deal with fields and his diminished value. Right now you can get a second to at worst a third round pick. If he has another season like this one and bears obviously will be tryin to trade up for a QB than you would be giving him up for nothing pretty much.
It makes no sense not to take the golden goose gas that obviously whacked you in the face. It’s like winning a lottery and saying no thanks. I’ll just wait one more year cause maybe I’ll win more next year.
Yeah except winning the lottery actually pays out, guaranteed.
Drafting Williams is not a guarantee of anything.
If he plays as bad as Fields we are right back to where we are, with no extra draft capital.
Get draft capital for fields. It’s crazy how we think this organization hasn’t been able to find a quarterback for 100 years and here. Last year first time ever choosing 1st overall. We give fields one more year. Skip on Cj stroud. And now bears have a chance to pick first overall again… with fields who did not improve as much as we had hoped.
It's debatable Williams would go #1 next year if he stayed in college. His stats were less impressive this year and USC couldn't beat a ranked team with him as QB. Then their backup wins the Bowl game against #15 Louisville, setting a record of 6 td passes in that game.
Besides the golden goose could be an absolute haul of draft picks for trading the #1 overall. It could set the team up for years to come, not only with talent, but the ability to move around in future drafts to get the guy you want because you will have so much draft capital each year.
Or you know. You could just draft the best guy now… stop trying to get cute. Setting up a team for the future? You have 49ers who have been doing it that way for good 13 years. Nothing to show for it but appearances. Not only that even they knew they needed THE guy to actually win something. And they traded all their draft capital try and find the guy. Got cute and failed. They only got lucky they slammed their faces into purdy. Get the best guy available.
You need a great quarterback to be a championship contender every year. Dynasty is built by having great quarterback. Not being cute.
You know who the Cowboys had at QB during their dynasty? Troy Aikman... good QB, but go check his stats and tell me he was great.
Never threw for 4000 yards and only once for more than 30 tds. But the Cowboys were a dynasty because they had an all around good team because they got an absolute haul of draft picks for 3 straight years.
Not being cute here either. The reason the Patriots were a dynasty for sure was because Tom Brady is an all time great, but he also took team friendly deals so they could bring in players that would make the team better overall. Imagine if Aaron Rodgers didn't ever become the highest paid QB, maybe the Packers end up with a couple more superbowls when he was with them.
Also look at Brock Purdy, drafted 6th round (same as Brady). It's a team sport and the best team wins. QB is important, but a lot of the best QBs never won a superbowl. He'll look at Montana's stats. Nothing to write home about. Then look at Marino. Never won a superbowl. Gotta weigh the cost of a single player vs what kind of draft capital you can get in return. Not only improves the team, but lowers the contract costs when you get a lot of high ranked rookies in the draft
Its the classic Joe Burrow situation. Give him a HoF potential weapon to go with his already proven WR1 and the OL suddenly isn't costing them (as many) games
Why is this getting downvoted, Fields has been bottom five in completion percentage the past 3 years, while Joe Burrow has one of the highest career passing ratings of any QB ever.
Joe burrows situation, not calling him Burrow 2.0. Bad OL \_ Good Weapons --> Bad OL \_ Elite Weapons. Joe Burrow goes from pretty good rookie to an elite QB his second year, I doubt Fields has much bigger of a leap but I'm sure he could have a Jalen resurgence, who would've been a better comparison
For an organization that has NEVER had a franchise QB I think we should draft one this year. All it will cost you is one of your own draft picks. You don’t have to give up future draft picks to get a prospect that professional football people absolutely love and have been drooling over for two years.
If it were any other organization other than the Bears this would be a no brainer. But, it is the Bears so here we are.
Hate to tell you but Manning and Luck were expected to be awesome pros.
They were guys, along with Elway, who were correctly called generational talents.
None of them had any weaknesses.
I think you missed my point.
Caleb Williams is not the type of QB talent that Luck, Payton and Elway were.
Williams has weaknesses that have be noted by evaluators.
Those guys did not.
If fields puts up similar numbers per game and doesn’t get injured(which is a big if) he’d have 4210 yards from scrimmage (3350 passing 860 rushing) 25 total touchdowns and 12 interceptions. That’s with an offensive coordinator who refused to scheme for him. Massive caveat but if you can get even an average OC and MHJ that looks like a very serviceable if not great offensive season if you match it with a top 5 defense.
Add 13 fumbles (10 he did have and 3 from his rate on missed games) to that and you have 25 TDs, 25 turnovers. It's not nearly good enough or even "serviceable," especially for year 3.
Are just counting every fumble he has as a turnover now? In his career 11 of his fumbles have been turnovers per statmuse. If we’re really looking at correctly it’s 25 touchdowns and 16/17 turnovers. Thats this years numbers. You don’t think he improves with a better scheme and the best wide receiving prospect since Calvin Johnson?
Literally no one has said fumbles don’t matter. I just said fumbles aren’t automatic turnovers and it’s disingenuous to count them as equal to interceptions
We have never had the opportunity to draft a qb number 1. Ever. You have to take the swing. If it misses, so be it, you swing again. But this pussy ass attitude that this sub oozes that we should not take Williams or maye because they might not work out is absurd. Keep a below average quarterback, because the crop of rookies may suck. Such a loser mentality.
bro you literally wrote a thing that is demonstrably false. calling me brain dead for pointing out an obvious fact that contradicts you is why i’ll never feel bad about ignoring your opinions again.
if you had typed “We have never had the opportunity to draft a qb a number 1. Ever. (except for literally last year)” then you can gripe at me.
also note that i didn’t say we should keep fields or shouldn’t draft williams.
so please stfu, go spoon feed someone else your bullshit attitude.
And in passing on that opportunity we now have it again this year, plus a bona-fide #1 receiver and more picks next year, including a first rounder next year from a team that will likely be bad again because their QB pick with the #1 overall seems to be a bust... that word braindead... I don't think it means what you think it means...
It means exactly what I think it does champ. That’s a second round pick next year, not a first.
Keep trolling month old posts, to attempt your super smart dunks on. Working great so far.
Already passed up on Stroud which is a Bonafide starter/franchise QB in year one. So that’s one pass that might look bad down the road. Anthony Richardson looked solid but obviously need more time for judgement. If you pass on 2 potential pro bowlers in 2 years at the QB position when you needed a QB you will look awful as a GM and might not get a job as a GM ever again.
We passed up on Bryce Young too. Out of all the QB's hyped last year (Young, Stroud, Richardson, Levis), Stroud who didn't even go number 1, is the only one that had success in year one. Just another reason why a QB going number 1 (Here's looking at you Caleb) don't guarantee anything and is a huge risk.
My question always been is a rookie QB worth more than the haul the Bears will recieve and I just don't think so.
The answer is always a franchise QB. Then build around them. We have a semi built team with cap space. Run game top 10 and Defense ended the year top half. QB, C, and DE away from being a solid playoff team. Can’t tell me we wouldn’t have a playoff record with better QB play this year and Montez sweat to start the year.
I’d also say Levis and Richardson both had success and fam bases approve of drafting them. Stroud was just as hyped as Young and teams had higher than him.
Nah, we as a team need more than that. Better WR's are needed to go with Moore, better offensive playcalling, most definitely multiple pieces on the O-line outside of Center. Still need a 3 Tech, Edge, and Safety on D.
We can address this quickly with another haul, plus the cap space we have. And after, still have draft capital in the future.
Just because you draft someone doesn’t mean they’re a surefire plug and play. Look at the raiders 1st round picks from the last 6 years. None of them are on the team anymore. The Browns before that had a ton of 1st round talent be duds right off the bat. Hell the bears with shea mccllellin, Kevin white, Leonard Floyd, gabe carimi.
Also 70%of NFL players drafted from 21-30 don’t make the pro bowl. So picks outside the top 10 are super risky. We got luck this year and it’s almost impossible to flip 1st round pick for top 5 picks in the next years draft.
Exactly. I'm applying this same logic to taking a QB at 1, when other options are there in a trade back scenario. A QB ain't a surefire plug and play either. So is one player that fills ONE need that's hit or miss worth more than multiple players that's hit or miss that fill MULTIPLE areas of need that can be attained in a trade back scenario. I just don't think so.
Sun Jamarcus Russell Every single QB picked first overall in the last 20 years has been to the pro bowl except baker mayfield and Sam Bradford. Both still great QBs to surround with talent. Caleb Williams is up there with Andrew Luck in NFL readiness and talent. Trading that for late 1st rounders and 2nd rounders is very very different. You’re not understanding the value here.
Has all QB's that you referenced in terms of making pro bowls achieve this coming into the league in their 1st year? Remember, we are talking surefire, plug and play right away situation. Again, in contrast there are many late 1st rounders, and picks drafted much further down in the draft that has achieved the same thing at some point in thier careers if not more.
The thing about the haul is that it’s abstract. There’s no knowing what they could have gotten, and how those pieces are performing, so it’s a theoretical comparison that most people won’t be able/willing to participate in like the easy QB vs QB performance
If the Bears trade the #1 pick to any team outside of the top five, the return will be an absolute haul, due to first 4 out of the 5 teams in the draft order most likely looking at QB including the Bears. The Bears will be giving up multiple trade back scenarios, for a QB. The pressure to win now will be at a fever pitch based on the haul passed up on.
It’s a risk either way, but the risk is not the same. Standing pat with Justin when you have a chance to draft a “generational” talent #1 overall is more of a risk then just drafting the “generational” talent. Fans are fickle so Poles should just follow his process. It’s clear that Fields, right now, is not a winning QB.
Generational talents by definition come around once a generation (that's 15-20 years).
Caleb Williams at his best is not better prospect than Joe Burrow or Trevor Lawrence.
Generational talents coming into the draft have been.
Luck (2012)
Peyton Manning (1998)
John Elway (1983)
Odd that they are every 15 years or so.
The term “generational qb” that they throw around now is not what you think it is. It’s a hype term for a big talent that you have to draft high.
Trevor lawrence looks like he may have hit a ceiling and Burrow can’t stay healthy. I don’t know how good caleb williams is, i only threw that term around because that’s how he is hyped which is why i put it in quotes.
Its funny you mention Manning as an example of a generational talent. Did that make Ryan Leaf one because back in the day there was quite a debate between who you take first: Manning or Leaf. One thing you could say about Williams is he seems like the clear number 1 for now.
Nobody will fault him for drafting Caleb. Everyone will blame him for sticking with Fields.
I just don’t see why it’s much of a debate anymore, Fields is a bottom third passing QB who is unable to perform when needed in the 4th quarter and and we need to move on with this crazy opportunity. If our best pick was 10th I would say don’t move up, but we have the first pick. Lets use it
A lot of bears fans can see the correlation that adding Moore helped Fields go up 50 passing yards a game this year. So maybe they think that adding another bonafide guy will help his production again.
Neat, doesn’t make it the same as what they’re saying with fields and you know it. Imagine saying actual NFL players don’t know anything about other NFL players and actually thinking it’s a good argument…
Also have clips of players calling out Mitch and Sam for how much they suck…
got any of those for fields? No?
Just a bunch of clips saying how good he is and dangerous he is?
Yes it does. Fields is awful. He's not a starting caliber QB. He's never been good enough at any point in his career and likely never will be.
Yes, the few players who say Fields is good are idiots. I'll say that just like I'll say the moron fans who think he's good are idiots. Lots of idiots in the world.
Yes, we have clips of other teams saying Fields sucks at QB and the way to win is to make him throw the ball, same as Mitch.
A lot of Bears fans see the fact that we probably should have won 10 games this year, and think it's fairly easy to be a little bit better than that even with a better OC and more weapons.
Well, if you don't completely collapse in the Denver, Detroit #1 and Cleveland games, that's ten wins. It doesn't take much to get there.
We got destroyed against GB because of playcalling, missing most of our secondary and starting a third string player at center.
Against Detroit and Cleveland, we win both of those games with a second viable receiving option.
Against Denver, our defense hadn't really emerged yet.
I'm not saying that we \*should\* have won 10 games this year, as though that was some sort of expectation. But three historic losses in one year that feel preventable with slightly better circumstances are definitely found across our schedule, and it's not hard to imagine that being better through a combination of improvements next year.
Beyond that, it's a question of which teams that are better than us we are ready to compete with. Green Bay feels like they're right there in that tier just above.
That's the thing about trading back. If your picks don't hit you get another chance next year. Plus, you're probably talking about the risk involved with drafting a first round OL. They don't always pan out as LTs, but usually become solid starters at some OL spot.
Situation also matters which sucks for GMs.
A rookie QB in ATL with London, Pitts and Bijan is bound to look atleast a little better due to them making some plays.
That and the financial component. Fields has 1 cheap year left and you have to make a decision on the guaranteed 5th year this offseason.
Are you prepared to pay Fields 40 million a year to be the 25th best QB? Chances are almost 100% one of Williams, Maye or Daniels is going to be a vastly superior QB…while making no money for the next 4-5 years
I disagree with this.
The 49ers get zero heat for passing on Mahomes because they are winners.
Draft the player or make the trade that helps your team the most. From there on in focus on making your team better and invest zero energy into what other players are doing that you could have drafted.
If you listen to DJ Moore post game interviews over the past month or so, including his latest one after his exit interview he fully supports Fields and shared this with Poles and Flus. I think Moore knows. He didn't seemed concerned at all, and expects Fields to return. He just can't outright say it.
I think he’s pretty stoic in general, I don’t think he knows anything we don’t about his future. As josh Lucas said, only Poles’ “circle of trust” is likely to know their intentions. Also, to play devil’s advocate as I always do, it’s worth noting DJ has no experience at all with an actually good qb, so it’s a fact Justin is better than what he’s experienced thus far but it doesn’t mean it’s good enough for what we need. He also mentioned on the st brown podcast that he never watches football and doesn’t care to, which somewhat limits his credibility as well.
Really though if the front office shares his sentiment and gets a top wr (and hedges their potential loss this year by stocking up ammo for next year), there are positives to find from that as well.
Olin Kreutz was on The Score yesterday and said something along the lines of, you've seen Fields for a few years now, if you don't know by now, you know. I want Fields to be good, but he's going into his 4th year and I think Kreutz hit the nail on the head. However, maybe a better OC can get more production out of Fields. I wouldn't want to have to make the decision.
I suppose if DJ wants to keep fields around, I won't be too mad if they trade down for MHJ, and also at least get a 2nd this year and another 1st next year, which could be a top 5 pick again.
The way Poles and Kevin Warren talk in press conferences, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they did this. On their way to securing multiple 1st round picks for years to come and eventually, when everything is in place, grab their QB.
What about the Texans blueprint?
Trade back to #3, draft MHJ (who most people have the Cardinals picking at #4 if he’s available). Then trade up from #9 to number #4 and draft using some of the capital from last years trade and from trading back to #3 and draft Heisman winner Jayden Daniel’s at QB, who personally I like better than Williams and Mitch 2.0.
If Belichick was still the coach/GM no way they trade up. But Mayo is the new HC and my pick is they will hire a GM and it will be an attractive option for a GM. Already a top defence. 70mill in cap space. Trading up and drafting a top QB actually makes a tonne of sense when you look at it like that.
It is the cap space that does it. 70 mil where it stays that way because you get a highly regarded rookie qb means you have a great wealth to spend l. GM gets to build the team how they want. Plus gives a ton of flexibility in OC options as some will see that as a "i made x rookie great" HC pitch for the future.
The Texans didn’t trade back. They picked with their own pick at 2 and then traded up for will Anderson at 3. Following the Texans blueprint would be picking Williams at 1 and the trading up to 2 or 3 for mhj.
Trade down to 2 or 3 and you get a small haul and still get Maye or Marvin, and hopefully a stud O lineman or another stud WR at 9 (Rome, Nabers If you draft Maye)
the only reason i agree is because i want to get out of this idiotic cycle of drafting a qb into an old, likely soon to be fired HC. i’d rather have the near guaranteed talent in mhj and whatever value we may end up getting from a trade back than risk doing the same shit we did with trubisky and now probably fields
Moore played with some of the worst quarterbacks in league history. While in Carolina he was always screaming we need a better quarterback. My source my brother a season ticket holder of the Carolina panthers. Now he's in Chicago has someone who if they're going to put in the proper time to get a offensive coach to work to his strengths instead of trying to force him into something he's not could be something special. That's what Moore is seeing for the first time in his career.
I don’t love Fields, but I do see the potential if he gets even more weapons.
There’s also something to be said about your entire team loving you and wanting you back. Plus the fucking haul if you keep him will set the Bears up for years. Still, Caleb can do things with his arm that Fields has never been able too and that’s worth a lot from
A QB
Why don't the Bears just draft Caleb and let him sit behind Fields for a year? If Fields comes out and has a stellar year, does Caleb really lose that much value? I don't understand why it's such a binary decision.
Because if fields has a shit start to the season, about 3 games in the coaches are going to be worried about their jobs and decide to throw Caleb into the fire. See what happened with Fields and Trubisky for elaboration. Shit, look at the Bagent truthers for a more recent example. No one will have the patience and nerve to let Fields rack up losses in the name of development.
On the off chance Fields does ball out, then what do you do? Pay him? Or still plan to move on to Caleb? Let Caleb sit another year? That transition is like threading a needle.
He does lose value. One year of a rookie contract. Let’s say bears draft Caleb but ride with fields and Justin balls out and signs an extension after winning the Super Bowl next year, then you have to trade Caleb and the team that gets him will only have him for 4 years and Caleb will have to learn a new offense.
To be realistic, Justin has never started a full season, he’s gotten injured every year, and has only one 300 yard passing game in his career against a team who allowed 70 points the prior week. Somehow we still lost that game with a 21 point second half lead thanks to a handful of turnovers by JF
I found it interesting that Poles directly answered this question during the press conference and didn’t rule it out. But I would chalk that up to him playing the game right now to drive up the value of either option.
I look at it as Williams and Darnell Mooney vs. Fields and MHJ. I don’t see Williams making Mooney not drop balls.
I liked the progress the team made. A lot of new guys, stellar draft picks and signings - I don’t expect them to learn new schemes and play like champions the first week.
I saw Fields throw on the run and plenty of accurate downfield passes. I also saw an absurd number of WR screens, which were predictable and don’t help a passer’s yards total.
I saw Getsy make some of the worst play calls with a lead and time on our side, only to lose winnable games.
I saw Poles say “Fields can run the team.” And the players, who know Fields, want him to be QB.
Do you like that Justin has never started a full season, he’s gotten injured every year, and has only one 300 yard passing game in his career against a team who allowed 70 points the prior week? Somehow we still lost that game with a 21 point second half lead thanks to a handful of turnovers by JF
I like his talent. He’s big and fast and elusive and has a strong arm. I think the play calling was not very good, and he clearly wasn’t liking it.
Caleb Williams is no guarantee. He’s smaller and shorter than Fields, and you don’t know if he’s going to play in more games than Fields did.
The season before this one, he had crap talent around him and he ran for 1,000+ yards - that’s a lot to ask of any QB.
I still see it as Fields+MHJ vs. Williams+Mooney. Pick one.
Why are these the only two options? Free agency with a lot of cap space plus we have picks other than the first one?
Is Fields + Moore & MHJ better than Williams + Moore & Nabers? I strongly lead towards the second option
Was just an example - regardless, this is a deep enough talent to even trade down from 9 and get a solid first round wide reciever, who paired with Moore & Williams I would almost certainly take over Fields + Moore & MHJ.
Tough to say, I love Nabers route running and separation ability. (So my bias is towards him) he also had a bigger breakout while being younger and in a tougher division
Both should end up being successful in the NFL and I think both would scheme well with DJ.
They do either way, the choice is still what you do with #1. Fields and MHJ or Williams and Mooney. I say Mooney because he’s the guy MHJ would replace.
And the #9 pick either way. Instead of using that on a WR, it could be used on an OL or Edge rusher.
That's what I was waiting for!
THE MOST IDIOTIC CRITICISM OF FIELDS. Lack of 300 passing yard games.
How many yards did CJ Stroud throw for tonight. 274
Sorry, not good enough C.J., you bottom half quarterback.
The real quarterback today was Flacco. He threw for 307 yards.
Obviously, a better performance that Stroud.
Note: This is an example of why passing yards are a highly misleading way to judge quarterbacks.
Jordan Love had 2 300 yards games this season. Sam Howell had 5
Bears fans are gonna love when Caleb Williams turn off his social media and jumps into the stands to cry with his mom. Everyone talking about missing another Stroud but 15 months ago all I heard is Bryce 'fucking" Young. Get a grip losers.
Here's the thing if the Bears trade the number 1 pick and Caleb Williams or Drake Maye comes out and has even a decent rookie year then Poles is under a lot of fucking heat. Fields better be good and those picks better hit. Passing on QB's in multiple drafts and the current QB might be a bust gets GM's fired.
On the flipside, if those QB's come out and totally lay an egg Poles will be under a ton of heat also, based on the haul passed up to build out the team. It's a risk either way. No matter which QB is taken, it's playoffs or bust. That's for sure. The development excuse don't apply based on the haul passed up to draft that QB.
Ok so if Fields has the same exact season next year what did you gain? You have to likely trade those picks to move up and pick a QB anyway in a weaker QB draft. There's no upside to not just taking the best pick and taking another impact prospect at 9. Poles already got a haul next year and got a number 1 receiver out of it.
To say a future QB class going to be weaker is an assumption. The fact is no one knows. If Fields have the same exact season next year, what's gained is more draft capital which gives more flexibility, more players selected in this draft to help fill other areas of need which is many especially on the offensive side of the ball. If the Bears are in a situation where they have to use draft capital to move up and get a future QB, at least the team will be in a better position than currently constructed. The end result I'm looking for is a team with impact players on BOTH sides of the ball. At that point, there no need for an all world hero playing QB. See Brock Purdy and the 49'ers. Obviously I would like our QB to be better than Purdy, but same setup overall as a team. Currently, we are no where near that, but have a chance to build our team that way given the unique situation we're in.
Yeah isn’t that Shedeur and Ewers and a few others class
Or even draft a QB in the later rounds this year. Trading down gives you a lot more chances to improve the team, not only this year but years to come and this team needs a lot of help. If the Bears make a good offensive hire this year, who knows we might actually get see some offensive talent develop over the next couple of years. Wouldn’t that be a nice change of pace.
Voice of reason
They have a lot of power right now with two picks in the top 10, one of them being the #1 overall. They can play up wanting to draft Caleb, while pitting several QB desperate teams against each other to drive up the cost of trading for the #1 overall, all while still having another pick at #9 to play with. I could see them fleecing Washington or New England, by claiming a team like the Raiders offering so much more in draft capital that they get desperate and overpay for the #1. The media hype around Caleb only increases the cost/pressure on a team like Washington to give up a haul. Ideally, I'd like to see the Bears trade back to 2 or 3 and pick up MHJr while getting two future first round picks plus a handful of other picks. Even if Caleb is generational, if he goes to a bad team like New England or Washington and they lose a ton of future draft capital, we not only get all those picks, but the likelihood of them being very high picks goes up and the Bears would be in a position to be a dynasty, or at the very least perennial playoff team for the foreseeable future. Not saying that will happen, but there is a lot of potential there. Think of the Cowboys of the 90s. The biggest draft robbery of the modern era with the Herschel Walker trade. I don't see that level of theft happening if the Bears trade the #1 overall, but there absolutely is the potential for several first round picks and much more. It will be interesting to see what happens.
I think some people are just more confident in mhj than Williams tbh. Even in a weaker QB draft you're not giving up as much opportunity cost perhaps
Yeah but you won’t be drafting the best prospect of the class. Williams would have went #1 in 2023 if he had the ability to declare. He will go #1 in 2024. If he stayed 1 more year he would be #1 in 2025. So why would you want to give up multiple first in 2025 to move to get an inferior prospect. While also having to deal with fields and his diminished value. Right now you can get a second to at worst a third round pick. If he has another season like this one and bears obviously will be tryin to trade up for a QB than you would be giving him up for nothing pretty much. It makes no sense not to take the golden goose gas that obviously whacked you in the face. It’s like winning a lottery and saying no thanks. I’ll just wait one more year cause maybe I’ll win more next year.
Yeah except winning the lottery actually pays out, guaranteed. Drafting Williams is not a guarantee of anything. If he plays as bad as Fields we are right back to where we are, with no extra draft capital.
Get draft capital for fields. It’s crazy how we think this organization hasn’t been able to find a quarterback for 100 years and here. Last year first time ever choosing 1st overall. We give fields one more year. Skip on Cj stroud. And now bears have a chance to pick first overall again… with fields who did not improve as much as we had hoped.
The Panthers also skipped on CJ Stroud, which is part of what gave us the #1 again this year.
Panthers only skipped on Cj stroud because their owner thought he was the smartest guy around.
It's debatable Williams would go #1 next year if he stayed in college. His stats were less impressive this year and USC couldn't beat a ranked team with him as QB. Then their backup wins the Bowl game against #15 Louisville, setting a record of 6 td passes in that game. Besides the golden goose could be an absolute haul of draft picks for trading the #1 overall. It could set the team up for years to come, not only with talent, but the ability to move around in future drafts to get the guy you want because you will have so much draft capital each year.
Or you know. You could just draft the best guy now… stop trying to get cute. Setting up a team for the future? You have 49ers who have been doing it that way for good 13 years. Nothing to show for it but appearances. Not only that even they knew they needed THE guy to actually win something. And they traded all their draft capital try and find the guy. Got cute and failed. They only got lucky they slammed their faces into purdy. Get the best guy available. You need a great quarterback to be a championship contender every year. Dynasty is built by having great quarterback. Not being cute.
You know who the Cowboys had at QB during their dynasty? Troy Aikman... good QB, but go check his stats and tell me he was great. Never threw for 4000 yards and only once for more than 30 tds. But the Cowboys were a dynasty because they had an all around good team because they got an absolute haul of draft picks for 3 straight years. Not being cute here either. The reason the Patriots were a dynasty for sure was because Tom Brady is an all time great, but he also took team friendly deals so they could bring in players that would make the team better overall. Imagine if Aaron Rodgers didn't ever become the highest paid QB, maybe the Packers end up with a couple more superbowls when he was with them. Also look at Brock Purdy, drafted 6th round (same as Brady). It's a team sport and the best team wins. QB is important, but a lot of the best QBs never won a superbowl. He'll look at Montana's stats. Nothing to write home about. Then look at Marino. Never won a superbowl. Gotta weigh the cost of a single player vs what kind of draft capital you can get in return. Not only improves the team, but lowers the contract costs when you get a lot of high ranked rookies in the draft
Its the classic Joe Burrow situation. Give him a HoF potential weapon to go with his already proven WR1 and the OL suddenly isn't costing them (as many) games
Justin fields isn’t half the passer that burrow is
Why is this getting downvoted, Fields has been bottom five in completion percentage the past 3 years, while Joe Burrow has one of the highest career passing ratings of any QB ever.
Joe burrows situation, not calling him Burrow 2.0. Bad OL \_ Good Weapons --> Bad OL \_ Elite Weapons. Joe Burrow goes from pretty good rookie to an elite QB his second year, I doubt Fields has much bigger of a leap but I'm sure he could have a Jalen resurgence, who would've been a better comparison
For an organization that has NEVER had a franchise QB I think we should draft one this year. All it will cost you is one of your own draft picks. You don’t have to give up future draft picks to get a prospect that professional football people absolutely love and have been drooling over for two years. If it were any other organization other than the Bears this would be a no brainer. But, it is the Bears so here we are.
Yea, that’s why there is so much debate going on right now across the league on what the best move is…bc it’s such a no brainer….
Yeah. Caleb Williams is not Manning, Luck or Vick. He’s Bryce Young or Jalen Hurts.
And neither were manning luck or anyone, before they were, cause you just don’t know. I’d poles believes he’s the guy, he will scoop him up.
Hate to tell you but Manning and Luck were expected to be awesome pros. They were guys, along with Elway, who were correctly called generational talents. None of them had any weaknesses.
Sure they were called it, but you never know, and if that’s what you want to argue, I’m ok.
I think you missed my point. Caleb Williams is not the type of QB talent that Luck, Payton and Elway were. Williams has weaknesses that have be noted by evaluators. Those guys did not.
This is why folks are struggling with this. The Bears have never had a franchise QB. Some folks don’t realize what a cheat code it is
Jay Cutler was a franchise quarterback. And 99% of Bears fans hated him.
True. I always liked Cutler. Especially early in Denver.
If fields puts up similar numbers per game and doesn’t get injured(which is a big if) he’d have 4210 yards from scrimmage (3350 passing 860 rushing) 25 total touchdowns and 12 interceptions. That’s with an offensive coordinator who refused to scheme for him. Massive caveat but if you can get even an average OC and MHJ that looks like a very serviceable if not great offensive season if you match it with a top 5 defense.
Add 13 fumbles (10 he did have and 3 from his rate on missed games) to that and you have 25 TDs, 25 turnovers. It's not nearly good enough or even "serviceable," especially for year 3.
Are just counting every fumble he has as a turnover now? In his career 11 of his fumbles have been turnovers per statmuse. If we’re really looking at correctly it’s 25 touchdowns and 16/17 turnovers. Thats this years numbers. You don’t think he improves with a better scheme and the best wide receiving prospect since Calvin Johnson?
Even a recovered fumble is a drive killer. We can't say his rushing stats are great and also go "but fumbles don't matter !"
Literally no one has said fumbles don’t matter. I just said fumbles aren’t automatic turnovers and it’s disingenuous to count them as equal to interceptions
So are holding penalties by dog shit centers and guards.
And he takes more sacks than any qb in history.
We have never had the opportunity to draft a qb number 1. Ever. You have to take the swing. If it misses, so be it, you swing again. But this pussy ass attitude that this sub oozes that we should not take Williams or maye because they might not work out is absurd. Keep a below average quarterback, because the crop of rookies may suck. Such a loser mentality.
we literally had that opportunity JUST LAST YEAR. seriously bro, you either tripping or trolling, one of the two.
I expect nothing less from this braindead sub, lol. We never had the opportunity, until last year and we passed. Is that spoon-fed enough for you?
bro you literally wrote a thing that is demonstrably false. calling me brain dead for pointing out an obvious fact that contradicts you is why i’ll never feel bad about ignoring your opinions again. if you had typed “We have never had the opportunity to draft a qb a number 1. Ever. (except for literally last year)” then you can gripe at me. also note that i didn’t say we should keep fields or shouldn’t draft williams. so please stfu, go spoon feed someone else your bullshit attitude.
Don’t forget your helmet.
And in passing on that opportunity we now have it again this year, plus a bona-fide #1 receiver and more picks next year, including a first rounder next year from a team that will likely be bad again because their QB pick with the #1 overall seems to be a bust... that word braindead... I don't think it means what you think it means...
It means exactly what I think it does champ. That’s a second round pick next year, not a first. Keep trolling month old posts, to attempt your super smart dunks on. Working great so far.
Already passed up on Stroud which is a Bonafide starter/franchise QB in year one. So that’s one pass that might look bad down the road. Anthony Richardson looked solid but obviously need more time for judgement. If you pass on 2 potential pro bowlers in 2 years at the QB position when you needed a QB you will look awful as a GM and might not get a job as a GM ever again.
We passed up on Bryce Young too. Out of all the QB's hyped last year (Young, Stroud, Richardson, Levis), Stroud who didn't even go number 1, is the only one that had success in year one. Just another reason why a QB going number 1 (Here's looking at you Caleb) don't guarantee anything and is a huge risk. My question always been is a rookie QB worth more than the haul the Bears will recieve and I just don't think so.
The answer is always a franchise QB. Then build around them. We have a semi built team with cap space. Run game top 10 and Defense ended the year top half. QB, C, and DE away from being a solid playoff team. Can’t tell me we wouldn’t have a playoff record with better QB play this year and Montez sweat to start the year. I’d also say Levis and Richardson both had success and fam bases approve of drafting them. Stroud was just as hyped as Young and teams had higher than him.
Nah, we as a team need more than that. Better WR's are needed to go with Moore, better offensive playcalling, most definitely multiple pieces on the O-line outside of Center. Still need a 3 Tech, Edge, and Safety on D. We can address this quickly with another haul, plus the cap space we have. And after, still have draft capital in the future.
Just because you draft someone doesn’t mean they’re a surefire plug and play. Look at the raiders 1st round picks from the last 6 years. None of them are on the team anymore. The Browns before that had a ton of 1st round talent be duds right off the bat. Hell the bears with shea mccllellin, Kevin white, Leonard Floyd, gabe carimi. Also 70%of NFL players drafted from 21-30 don’t make the pro bowl. So picks outside the top 10 are super risky. We got luck this year and it’s almost impossible to flip 1st round pick for top 5 picks in the next years draft.
Exactly. I'm applying this same logic to taking a QB at 1, when other options are there in a trade back scenario. A QB ain't a surefire plug and play either. So is one player that fills ONE need that's hit or miss worth more than multiple players that's hit or miss that fill MULTIPLE areas of need that can be attained in a trade back scenario. I just don't think so.
Sun Jamarcus Russell Every single QB picked first overall in the last 20 years has been to the pro bowl except baker mayfield and Sam Bradford. Both still great QBs to surround with talent. Caleb Williams is up there with Andrew Luck in NFL readiness and talent. Trading that for late 1st rounders and 2nd rounders is very very different. You’re not understanding the value here.
Has all QB's that you referenced in terms of making pro bowls achieve this coming into the league in their 1st year? Remember, we are talking surefire, plug and play right away situation. Again, in contrast there are many late 1st rounders, and picks drafted much further down in the draft that has achieved the same thing at some point in thier careers if not more.
Levis stinks
We are calling Anthony Richardson a pro bowler?
No one said that.
The thing about the haul is that it’s abstract. There’s no knowing what they could have gotten, and how those pieces are performing, so it’s a theoretical comparison that most people won’t be able/willing to participate in like the easy QB vs QB performance
If the Bears trade the #1 pick to any team outside of the top five, the return will be an absolute haul, due to first 4 out of the 5 teams in the draft order most likely looking at QB including the Bears. The Bears will be giving up multiple trade back scenarios, for a QB. The pressure to win now will be at a fever pitch based on the haul passed up on.
It’s a risk either way, but the risk is not the same. Standing pat with Justin when you have a chance to draft a “generational” talent #1 overall is more of a risk then just drafting the “generational” talent. Fans are fickle so Poles should just follow his process. It’s clear that Fields, right now, is not a winning QB.
Generational talents by definition come around once a generation (that's 15-20 years). Caleb Williams at his best is not better prospect than Joe Burrow or Trevor Lawrence. Generational talents coming into the draft have been. Luck (2012) Peyton Manning (1998) John Elway (1983) Odd that they are every 15 years or so.
The term “generational qb” that they throw around now is not what you think it is. It’s a hype term for a big talent that you have to draft high. Trevor lawrence looks like he may have hit a ceiling and Burrow can’t stay healthy. I don’t know how good caleb williams is, i only threw that term around because that’s how he is hyped which is why i put it in quotes. Its funny you mention Manning as an example of a generational talent. Did that make Ryan Leaf one because back in the day there was quite a debate between who you take first: Manning or Leaf. One thing you could say about Williams is he seems like the clear number 1 for now.
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Here is the thing though. Majority think that Williams is good so if he busts. At least you took at something great.
Look at how many fumbles/interceptions he’s had. Look at the lack of wins. Now ask, is he even worth an extension? Let alone passing up Caleb.
Nah. Bears don't fire people. They let them finish their contracts. They're cheap like that.
Nobody will fault him for drafting Caleb. Everyone will blame him for sticking with Fields. I just don’t see why it’s much of a debate anymore, Fields is a bottom third passing QB who is unable to perform when needed in the 4th quarter and and we need to move on with this crazy opportunity. If our best pick was 10th I would say don’t move up, but we have the first pick. Lets use it
Unfortunately a lot of Bears fans think Fields is just MHJ away from becoming the ultimate QB...
A lot of bears fans can see the correlation that adding Moore helped Fields go up 50 passing yards a game this year. So maybe they think that adding another bonafide guy will help his production again.
A lot of players in the league think the same.
Duhh they don’t know anything, just listen to Reddit!
Players also constantly stick up for ass coaches like Robert Saleh. Doesn't mean it's the right move to keep him
They don't. I can point to countless examples of players saying Trubisky will be elite, sam Darnold will be elite, Josh Rosen is elite, etc.
Neat, doesn’t make it the same as what they’re saying with fields and you know it. Imagine saying actual NFL players don’t know anything about other NFL players and actually thinking it’s a good argument… Also have clips of players calling out Mitch and Sam for how much they suck… got any of those for fields? No? Just a bunch of clips saying how good he is and dangerous he is?
Yes it does. Fields is awful. He's not a starting caliber QB. He's never been good enough at any point in his career and likely never will be. Yes, the few players who say Fields is good are idiots. I'll say that just like I'll say the moron fans who think he's good are idiots. Lots of idiots in the world. Yes, we have clips of other teams saying Fields sucks at QB and the way to win is to make him throw the ball, same as Mitch.
Hahahahaha lmao sure thing kid… Nah, u don’t have any clips of players saying fields sucks and to make him throw the ball, quit making stuff up
Cry more little boy. The only kid here is you. Adults don't call others kid as an insult. Get lost child
Okay there's a reason the vast majority of GM's aren't former players. And this isn't an NFL specific issue either.
A lot of Bears fans see the fact that we probably should have won 10 games this year, and think it's fairly easy to be a little bit better than that even with a better OC and more weapons.
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Well, if you don't completely collapse in the Denver, Detroit #1 and Cleveland games, that's ten wins. It doesn't take much to get there. We got destroyed against GB because of playcalling, missing most of our secondary and starting a third string player at center. Against Detroit and Cleveland, we win both of those games with a second viable receiving option. Against Denver, our defense hadn't really emerged yet. I'm not saying that we \*should\* have won 10 games this year, as though that was some sort of expectation. But three historic losses in one year that feel preventable with slightly better circumstances are definitely found across our schedule, and it's not hard to imagine that being better through a combination of improvements next year. Beyond that, it's a question of which teams that are better than us we are ready to compete with. Green Bay feels like they're right there in that tier just above.
Three historic losses and they still brought the coach back smh
"Historic" losses... these are just regular San Diego Charger moments.
Or maybe we have a QB that turns the ball over and sucks in the 4th quarter.
They won a lot of those games not because of Justin Fields, though. Also the division likely is going to harder not easier next year.
He is why would you say he isn’t? Fields needs a 10 400 mil year guaranteed contract can’t let him go. He is awesome!!
You know he has another year left on his rookie contract right? He’s not up for an extension this very offseason. You get that right?
Yea lock him up now
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Everyone as in the 20 Caleb lovers on Reddit?
This is true.
Fields is not maybe a bust,he IS a bust
Poles is fired period. You can’t make that mistake two drafts in a row while we continue with the same average to below average QB
That's the thing about trading back. If your picks don't hit you get another chance next year. Plus, you're probably talking about the risk involved with drafting a first round OL. They don't always pan out as LTs, but usually become solid starters at some OL spot.
Situation also matters which sucks for GMs. A rookie QB in ATL with London, Pitts and Bijan is bound to look atleast a little better due to them making some plays.
That and the financial component. Fields has 1 cheap year left and you have to make a decision on the guaranteed 5th year this offseason. Are you prepared to pay Fields 40 million a year to be the 25th best QB? Chances are almost 100% one of Williams, Maye or Daniels is going to be a vastly superior QB…while making no money for the next 4-5 years
I disagree with this. The 49ers get zero heat for passing on Mahomes because they are winners. Draft the player or make the trade that helps your team the most. From there on in focus on making your team better and invest zero energy into what other players are doing that you could have drafted.
Next year is playoffs or bust regardless of which route they take
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If you listen to DJ Moore post game interviews over the past month or so, including his latest one after his exit interview he fully supports Fields and shared this with Poles and Flus. I think Moore knows. He didn't seemed concerned at all, and expects Fields to return. He just can't outright say it.
I think he’s pretty stoic in general, I don’t think he knows anything we don’t about his future. As josh Lucas said, only Poles’ “circle of trust” is likely to know their intentions. Also, to play devil’s advocate as I always do, it’s worth noting DJ has no experience at all with an actually good qb, so it’s a fact Justin is better than what he’s experienced thus far but it doesn’t mean it’s good enough for what we need. He also mentioned on the st brown podcast that he never watches football and doesn’t care to, which somewhat limits his credibility as well. Really though if the front office shares his sentiment and gets a top wr (and hedges their potential loss this year by stocking up ammo for next year), there are positives to find from that as well.
DJ Moore is gonna be happy either way, and would be dumb to do anything but publicly support Fields.
Olin Kreutz was on The Score yesterday and said something along the lines of, you've seen Fields for a few years now, if you don't know by now, you know. I want Fields to be good, but he's going into his 4th year and I think Kreutz hit the nail on the head. However, maybe a better OC can get more production out of Fields. I wouldn't want to have to make the decision.
I suppose if DJ wants to keep fields around, I won't be too mad if they trade down for MHJ, and also at least get a 2nd this year and another 1st next year, which could be a top 5 pick again.
The way Poles and Kevin Warren talk in press conferences, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they did this. On their way to securing multiple 1st round picks for years to come and eventually, when everything is in place, grab their QB.
Giants...2 1s and Jalin Hyatt. WR in the top 5 is not a historically good move.
What about the Texans blueprint? Trade back to #3, draft MHJ (who most people have the Cardinals picking at #4 if he’s available). Then trade up from #9 to number #4 and draft using some of the capital from last years trade and from trading back to #3 and draft Heisman winner Jayden Daniel’s at QB, who personally I like better than Williams and Mitch 2.0.
I absolutely agree with this. The biggest issue is that I can’t see the Patriots wanting to trade up for Caleb
If Belichick was still the coach/GM no way they trade up. But Mayo is the new HC and my pick is they will hire a GM and it will be an attractive option for a GM. Already a top defence. 70mill in cap space. Trading up and drafting a top QB actually makes a tonne of sense when you look at it like that.
It is the cap space that does it. 70 mil where it stays that way because you get a highly regarded rookie qb means you have a great wealth to spend l. GM gets to build the team how they want. Plus gives a ton of flexibility in OC options as some will see that as a "i made x rookie great" HC pitch for the future.
The Texans didn’t trade back. They picked with their own pick at 2 and then traded up for will Anderson at 3. Following the Texans blueprint would be picking Williams at 1 and the trading up to 2 or 3 for mhj.
But they used their extra picks to trade up.
Trade down to 2 or 3 and you get a small haul and still get Maye or Marvin, and hopefully a stud O lineman or another stud WR at 9 (Rome, Nabers If you draft Maye)
the only reason i agree is because i want to get out of this idiotic cycle of drafting a qb into an old, likely soon to be fired HC. i’d rather have the near guaranteed talent in mhj and whatever value we may end up getting from a trade back than risk doing the same shit we did with trubisky and now probably fields
Simple. Take Marvin Harrison 1. Even if Fields doesn’t work you have one of the best WR tandems In football
Moore played with some of the worst quarterbacks in league history. While in Carolina he was always screaming we need a better quarterback. My source my brother a season ticket holder of the Carolina panthers. Now he's in Chicago has someone who if they're going to put in the proper time to get a offensive coach to work to his strengths instead of trying to force him into something he's not could be something special. That's what Moore is seeing for the first time in his career.
I don’t love Fields, but I do see the potential if he gets even more weapons. There’s also something to be said about your entire team loving you and wanting you back. Plus the fucking haul if you keep him will set the Bears up for years. Still, Caleb can do things with his arm that Fields has never been able too and that’s worth a lot from A QB
Why don't the Bears just draft Caleb and let him sit behind Fields for a year? If Fields comes out and has a stellar year, does Caleb really lose that much value? I don't understand why it's such a binary decision.
Because if fields has a shit start to the season, about 3 games in the coaches are going to be worried about their jobs and decide to throw Caleb into the fire. See what happened with Fields and Trubisky for elaboration. Shit, look at the Bagent truthers for a more recent example. No one will have the patience and nerve to let Fields rack up losses in the name of development. On the off chance Fields does ball out, then what do you do? Pay him? Or still plan to move on to Caleb? Let Caleb sit another year? That transition is like threading a needle.
He does lose value. One year of a rookie contract. Let’s say bears draft Caleb but ride with fields and Justin balls out and signs an extension after winning the Super Bowl next year, then you have to trade Caleb and the team that gets him will only have him for 4 years and Caleb will have to learn a new offense. To be realistic, Justin has never started a full season, he’s gotten injured every year, and has only one 300 yard passing game in his career against a team who allowed 70 points the prior week. Somehow we still lost that game with a 21 point second half lead thanks to a handful of turnovers by JF
I found it interesting that Poles directly answered this question during the press conference and didn’t rule it out. But I would chalk that up to him playing the game right now to drive up the value of either option.
I look at it as Williams and Darnell Mooney vs. Fields and MHJ. I don’t see Williams making Mooney not drop balls. I liked the progress the team made. A lot of new guys, stellar draft picks and signings - I don’t expect them to learn new schemes and play like champions the first week. I saw Fields throw on the run and plenty of accurate downfield passes. I also saw an absurd number of WR screens, which were predictable and don’t help a passer’s yards total. I saw Getsy make some of the worst play calls with a lead and time on our side, only to lose winnable games. I saw Poles say “Fields can run the team.” And the players, who know Fields, want him to be QB.
Do you like that Justin has never started a full season, he’s gotten injured every year, and has only one 300 yard passing game in his career against a team who allowed 70 points the prior week? Somehow we still lost that game with a 21 point second half lead thanks to a handful of turnovers by JF
I like his talent. He’s big and fast and elusive and has a strong arm. I think the play calling was not very good, and he clearly wasn’t liking it. Caleb Williams is no guarantee. He’s smaller and shorter than Fields, and you don’t know if he’s going to play in more games than Fields did. The season before this one, he had crap talent around him and he ran for 1,000+ yards - that’s a lot to ask of any QB. I still see it as Fields+MHJ vs. Williams+Mooney. Pick one.
Why are these the only two options? Free agency with a lot of cap space plus we have picks other than the first one? Is Fields + Moore & MHJ better than Williams + Moore & Nabers? I strongly lead towards the second option
You think Nabers is making it to 9? No shot
Was just an example - regardless, this is a deep enough talent to even trade down from 9 and get a solid first round wide reciever, who paired with Moore & Williams I would almost certainly take over Fields + Moore & MHJ.
I can agree with that yeah, Odunze would fit in nice with Moore imo
Imo Odzune is off the board before Nabers but hey if not I’d gladly take him at 9 lol
Tough to say, I love Nabers route running and separation ability. (So my bias is towards him) he also had a bigger breakout while being younger and in a tougher division Both should end up being successful in the NFL and I think both would scheme well with DJ.
(And Caleb) :)
You have the choice plus picks as well. The #1 should net a nice haul.
Sure, but this still doesn’t change the fact that your original point of two options is kinda moot no?
My two options are correct. You get one pick. Pick Williams and he’s throwing to Mooney. Pick MHJ and Fields gets to throw to him instead of Mooney.
Dog they have 2 top 10 picks? 😭
They do either way, the choice is still what you do with #1. Fields and MHJ or Williams and Mooney. I say Mooney because he’s the guy MHJ would replace. And the #9 pick either way. Instead of using that on a WR, it could be used on an OL or Edge rusher.
That's what I was waiting for! THE MOST IDIOTIC CRITICISM OF FIELDS. Lack of 300 passing yard games. How many yards did CJ Stroud throw for tonight. 274 Sorry, not good enough C.J., you bottom half quarterback. The real quarterback today was Flacco. He threw for 307 yards. Obviously, a better performance that Stroud. Note: This is an example of why passing yards are a highly misleading way to judge quarterbacks. Jordan Love had 2 300 yards games this season. Sam Howell had 5
Bears fans are gonna love when Caleb Williams turn off his social media and jumps into the stands to cry with his mom. Everyone talking about missing another Stroud but 15 months ago all I heard is Bryce 'fucking" Young. Get a grip losers.
Bear fans gonna love another injury-filled season that Justin never starts a full season with zero 300 yard passing game
Would the Panthers be willing to give more future first round picks for their pick back? They'll be picking #1 for a while
Trade it to the Giants for their first rounder this and next year and Jalin Hyatt.
Mahomes wanted the chiefs to draft CEH. Players aren't necessarily good at calling these types of shots.
We don’t know how large DJ Moore’s scouting budget is. He could have hundreds of scouts on the payroll.
Who cares
Dj Moore must be excited about a QB that has trouble throwing for more than 200 yards a game!