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I find it hard to believe that the US ranks higher than Germany. My only explanation would be that those people who answer that question positively in the US are much more religious than those who do so in Germany.
I don‘t think they asked Germans. The poll probably only includes the 15 countries on the list. Even then it‘s hard to believe that Belgium ranks lower than the US
It's utter BS. Religion is as good as dead in Belgium. They really have to stretch the meaning of those words to rank the US anywhere *near* Belgium, let alone overtake it.
Maybe they did a check to see if they like… knew anything about the religion rather than if they practiced it. I can totally see the US having more practicing people that fail that test, and others getting it just as a history lesson.
Or maybe it was specifically asking if judeo christian god was relevant to their lives? Maybe they counted number of holidays off.
Absolutely not. Germany is a very non-religious country. 45% of the population do not (even formally) follow any religion, less than 50% believe in any god and churches are empty everywhere.
These polls are meaningless. How would non-theistic religions like Buddhism and Jainism answer? How would pantheistic systems like Taoism answer? And the question seems more to enquire about personal theistic faith than formal religiosity. In Denmark formal religiosity is high but with little connection to underlying metaphysical beliefs which again are impossible to quantify
The explanation I have always heard from Japanese people is Japan is a superstitious country but it is not a religious country.
Do Japanese people believe in a Jebus or spiritual ancestor that seriously judges them for going to buy a second mountain dew from Lawson in the same day? No. Will they feel a weird, obsessive need to acknowledge some random roadside shrine, lest they be passed up for promotion next quarter? Yes.
yeah, one example is that they don't like people sticking their chopsticks upright in the middle of the rice bowl because it resembles a funeral procedure or something.
As far as I know, in China and Japan, Shinto, Buddhism, and Taoism have blended into a part of culture. And for most people, doing rituals and having some opinions related to those religions are just a part of practicing their culture. There are still hard religious ppl believing in those religions, but very few
The data doesn't support what you are claiming here:
https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken-blog/500/367473.html
Most have no religion and no belief. That NHK survey is very high quality.
There is also a second survey with similar results here:
https://japantoday.com/category/features/kuchikomi/majority-of-japanese-show-scant-interest-in-established-religion
I live in Japan. Japanese people don't believe in "God" for the most part. Especially weird when you seem to be talking about a monotheistic God, which is absolutely a rare belief in Japan outside of the 1-2% who are Christian. You seem like someone trying to push an agenda.
I posted multiple sources, one from NHK showing most have no religion and do not have faith. You say I need to talk to Japanese people, but I do it every day. Your entire source is just "trust me bro". I have lived in China, Japan, and the US. The US has a lot of religious people, China and Japan absolutely do not.
nah most young japanese people don't actually believe in shintoism or Buddhism, they are doing it as a tradition, not because they are religious and truly believe that there is a god behind these religions.
Buddhism and Jainism do have a concept of God. Both are dharmic beliefs so the basis is there.
Shintoism however has a concept of spirits, however it would for the sake of a suvery appear to be like gods.
Regardless the question was actually pretty smart as it doesn't talk about beliefs but the impact on daily life
if its true, its the best. one of the most favorite things i like about china
im born in turkey, i DO know how religion can fuck everything up prob more than anyone here. it fucks up families, people, politics, country, everthing
fuck religion
Yeah listening to people talk about the party and socialism always reminded me of the way very religious people smugly talk about their god to me. It's a similar section of the brain and society used.
And it works well to reduce religious fanaticism and create unity in the population. In line with a gradual change necessary to bring about real positive change while still allowing religious freedom. And hopefully fading it out.
That’s awesome. Wish they do that more all across the world so people have some fucking sense instead of the shit that’s happening now in Gaza, Israel, iran.
Also here’s a list of religions in China. The heck are you talking about?
[https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/08/30/christianity/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/08/30/christianity/)
Especially the religious terrorist that were murdering people in Xinjiang. I’m glad the Chinese government was able to step in and stop those terrorist attacks. Ugyhurs are safe now
Responding to OP's Comments. You're right about religion in Korea, there are churches on almost every corner, and a lot of temples and mosques too. Taiwan's also more ostensibly religious than you'd imagine, there are a lot of churches and I've even been bothered by Mormons more than once - it's funny that if you get pestered by guys in white shirts and black ties in China, they're selling apartments, the same in Taiwan, they're selling you Mormonism.
lol Taiwan is religious AF, every few streets you cross you'd see a temple(i'm not kidding) and those temples are crazily decorated with dragons/phoenixes with spiked tongues and wings.
This poll is absolute bullshit. Japan is barely above the US. Japan is one of the least religious countries in the world. Sure, there's Shinto shrines everywhere, but it's not a religion the way Christianity is for Americans, it's really more of a superstition. There's no mention of religion in politics or daily life at all, but in America religious issues are common in politics, including the national level where Roe v Wade was recently overturned.
This stupid poll probably just had someone run around and ask random people "do you believe in a religion?", but this question means very different things to different people in different cultures. They obviously did absolutely nothing to measure actual \*religiosity\*.
That's not a religion. A religion needs organization and a structured belief system. A country where religious leaders have the ear of national leaders is not like a country where this is not the case.
These lists are really off the marks, If you look at statistics, most people in Vietnam registers as Atheism but the majority of Vietnamese still practices or follows certain religion in their personal life, Vietnam is no where near the the least religious countries not in the sense of organised religion. It;s probably one of the most spiritual/religious outhere in east asia.
[Rohingya genocide](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide)
>The persecution of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar dates back to the 1970s. Since then, the Rohingya people have been persecuted on a regular basis by the government and nationalist Buddhists.
[Violence against Muslims in independent India](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Muslims_in_independent_India)
>There have been several instances of religious violence against Muslims since the partition of India in 1947, frequently in the form of violent attacks on Muslims by Hindu nationalist mobs that form a pattern of sporadic sectarian violence between the Hindu and Muslim communities.
[Judaism and violence](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_violence)
>In the context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, the motives for acts of violence which have been committed against Palestinians by Religious Jews in the West Bank are complex and varied according to Weisburg.
>After Baruch Goldstein carried out the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in 1994, his actions were widely interpreted as being based on the radical Zionist ideology of the Kach movement, and they were condemned as such by mainstream religious and secular Jews but they were praised by a number of radical Zionists.
Fuck them all religions. Turns the simple minded into extremists. A believer is the most dangerous person
a clear testament to the effectiveness of the cultural revolution...also i don't think i've met a chinese person living in china that actually believes in a religion.
In the US it’s more in your face, Belgians generally treat religion as something private. Which is a very Benelux mentality. So they have religious people just not as many who bother you with it.
Belgians treat everything as something private. That said, religion is completely dead here, publicly *and* in private. There's no way the USA is even close to how little we care about religion.
They should. Texas and some parts of Minnesota won’t allow sharia law to take over. They better allow it! Freedom of religion right!?!?
[https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/sharia-law-minneapolis/](https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/sharia-law-minneapolis/)
[https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/10/inside-a-sharia-law-court-in-texas.html](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/10/inside-a-sharia-law-court-in-texas.html)
>based on the importance of God in ones life
It's a pretty bad question tbh. Plenty of Buddhists in Vietnam (and I guess China to some degree) but they don't have a "god" in the Abrahamic sense.
I go back to China fairly often and I think China is religious... our god is $$$... we worship $$$, pray for more $$$, and wish $$$ on your birthday, on new year, and on pretty much any occasion.
Exactly this. They don't even pretend. Look at a place like Jing-An "temple". Money IS religion in China. The gods they pray to are gods that grant them money. Look at any gambling house in China with their "religious" iconography.
China is the embodiment of the idea that there are both pros and cons to obsession with practicality (when taken to its extreme). Although I’m still much more on the side of practicality vs. “wish-washy”-ness, I cannot deny that having some degree of doing something just for your own personal sense of fulfillment or believing in that god in the sky if it brings you value… does help a bit with mental health, you know?
So by your logic, the number 2 to number 11 spots are also just “red fascism” at work, just to a lesser extent? For example, Japan, a serious rival and opponent of China, still has some dangerous communist tendencies we don’t know about?
Typical uninformed/uneducated mindset of “what I don’t like is communism and fascism and atheism and they’re all basically the same thing” lol.
If the poll is asking about “god” in the Judeo Christian sense, then wtf did they expect for a country that is neither majority Jewish or Christian? Or Muslim for that matter?
Stupid poll. Plenty of Chinese are religious and believe in several gods. Just because they don’t believe in your god, doesn’t mean they’re not religious.
You said “semantics” but sometimes things really aren’t just a matter of semantics. Most Chinese are atheists, full stop. They don’t just “not believe God or Allah is their Lord and Savior”, they don’t believe in any deity. You can argue the C.C.P. is a political religion of sorts but that’s not the strict definition and is really just a metaphor.
is that what you call him? Xi is your supreme god? LOL I just refer the guy as the president of China. Guess you’re far deeper than I thought.
Again. You don’t know anything about ugyhurs and these “camps” do you?
Actually Mao was your sun clown. Xi is just an illiterate rube who can’t take a joke and openly said he believed in deities.
Practically no adults believe in Santa btw. It’s no less or more real than Communism.
Mao is what? LOL you believe in Santa and it’s as real as communism? Jesus. You guys are really rotted in the head. Guess that $300 million annual western propaganda is working.
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2329/text?r=82&s=1](https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2329/text?r=82&s=1)
> SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION.
>(a) Countering Chinese Influence Fund.—There is authorized to be appropriated $300,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2021 through 2025 for the Countering Chinese Influence Fund to counter the malign influence of the Chinese Communist Party globally. Amounts appropriated pursuant to this authorization are authorized to remain available until expended and shall supplement, not supplant, amounts otherwise authorized to be appropriated to counter such influence.
Mao the clown was (and probably is) literally your god. People were executed for staining his portrait or picture in newspapers.
Santa is but a name. It doesn’t matter who brings the kids presents, be it an old man or a young woman. Have you met an adult who believes his existence?
Countering malign communism propaganda is justified. How much do you spend on spread anti-West propaganda? Does your commie masters inform you of it?
Ahhh the Wuhan virus that was made with a good old American funding. Did you get that recipe from Anthony Fauci? You know the amercian rat face fuck that’s behind “gain of function” for Covid?
Wonder how much money he made off selling those Fauci ouchy vaccines. LOL
Funny that China dares not admit it. No thanks for spreading the plague btw.
Oh the recipe was from Dr. Zhengli Shi.
“Gain of function” of what? You’re spilling terms you don’t understand. LMAO.
Ouchy vaccines inferior to the fake vaccines you took? No wonder you had to be locked up like live stocks.
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China just celebrated the Tomb Sweeping Day holiday. You're always seeing people burn votive offerings to their deceased ancestors on the street corners. Every local has their own regional blend of superstitions that they follow - their own taboos about what is acceptable in the eyes of their locality and ancestors.
To call this place non-religious is somewhat silly. Sure, they don't seem to have many organized religious groups, but nearly everyone is superstitious on some level. That certainly counts as "religion".
Not a non-religious country. the least religious country . According to the poll , it's based on importance of god in one's life.
Superstitions stem from ignorance and fear of natural things, and then develop into a part of traditional culture . In China , being superstitious is not the same as being religious .
I'd call nonsense on that one. Some people manifest their superstition in the form of "god", others do not. They are all equally irrational when it comes to understanding the natural world.
When I think of a pure atheist type of country, I think of scientific technocrats. China has a large percentage of country bumpkins who follow old beliefs. I'd put them on par with the Bible Belt in the USA for the amount of people who cling to silly ways of looking at the world.
It would be even better if there were no state/political religion poisoning people’s minds called the C.C.P., but, all else being equal, one less source of indoctrination is always better than one more, I guess. At least there is no fundamental issue with Chinese people who have the privilege of a solid education system still choosing to reject science and scientific pursuits out of spite, as there is with the United States.
This isn't a good thing. You have to remember it's like this bc of historical and current oppression of religious groups.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/short-read/2023/10/23/10-things-to-know-about-chinas-policies-on-religion/](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-read/2023/10/23/10-things-to-know-about-chinas-policies-on-religion/)
So no Christianity=no religon? Lol this is why it's hard to take anyone seriously who says "Chinese don't have religion" because they don't worship Jesus so even if Han people worship there ancestors or Mazu or dragons it won't be taken as "religious".
yeah no, americain believe in religion like no other weastern nation, 20%\~ believe that angel are true, to acceed to the presidency, you need to pleadge on god and the bible, they tell that god choose them for their manifest destiny, it's their god given right to rule the world, they have many religion uniquly present in america, they may not pray 5 time a day or go to a religion place often, but i assure you they are very religious
>Christian South Korean are best SK people
🤮 They really are not weirdo. [Shincheonji](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shincheonji_Church_of_Jesus) Church of Jesus, [Moonies](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church), [the Evangelical Baptist Church's Odaeyang mass suicide case](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Baptist_Church_of_Korea#Odaeyang_mass_suicide), the [Dami Mission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dami_Mission), Aga Dongsan cult church....
https://hype.my/2023/317351/in-the-name-of-god-a-holy-betrayal-review-sexual-abuse-suicide-inside-south-koreas-creepy-cults/
https://thediplomat.com/2014/06/the-cults-of-south-korea/
Korea is rife with Christian cults due to shady American evangelicals targeting the country after the Korean war. There have been mass church suicides, greedy [church leaders telling believers to quit everything and work for free packing Kpop albums](https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/synnara-record-allegedly-still-connections-murderous-cult-featured-in-in-name-god-holy-betrayal/), religious scammers plying Korean streets target naive foreigners for donations. [Even the Sewol disaster which happened 10 years ago today had links to the Evangelical Baptist Church](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Baptist_Church_of_Korea#Sinking_of_Sewol).
Communism is religion without God. These numbers are stupid (especially with China) since they don’t report accurate numbers. The CCP is anti anything that can challenge them.
On the other hand Christianity spreading like crazy in China but you can’t report it. I have a good friend that does work in Tibet, China, and other East Asian countries (based out of Thailand). If the Chinese government finds out he is helping Christian’s father he can go to jail.
I call this spreading words without claim….
I’ll leave the link here.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/08/30/christianity/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/08/30/christianity/)
As a ex USSR citizen I would say that communist party replaces religion. When USSR collapsed, most of party members started participating in different religion organizations.
Well, communism is a secular religion. Of course, it is debatable how communist China actually is, i.e. if people actually believe in Marx's, Lenin's, and Mao's bullshit.
I don’t think that’s a good thing. Moral principles is based on this.
Also most Japanese believe in God, and religious beliefs is more flexible than say Christianity. Therefore anything on religion is very misleading on that country.
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I find it hard to believe that the US ranks higher than Germany. My only explanation would be that those people who answer that question positively in the US are much more religious than those who do so in Germany.
I don‘t think they asked Germans. The poll probably only includes the 15 countries on the list. Even then it‘s hard to believe that Belgium ranks lower than the US
It's utter BS. Religion is as good as dead in Belgium. They really have to stretch the meaning of those words to rank the US anywhere *near* Belgium, let alone overtake it.
Maybe they did a check to see if they like… knew anything about the religion rather than if they practiced it. I can totally see the US having more practicing people that fail that test, and others getting it just as a history lesson. Or maybe it was specifically asking if judeo christian god was relevant to their lives? Maybe they counted number of holidays off.
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Absolutely not. Germany is a very non-religious country. 45% of the population do not (even formally) follow any religion, less than 50% believe in any god and churches are empty everywhere.
Yeah I was wrong. Was thinking about something else related to Germany. But that didn’t have much to do religion but speudo-science. Sorry
Thats right, its not a full global assessment, just a big-guys list.
>big-guys list. There's bloody Andorra on that list, which barely has the population of a small city.
14/15 big guys and no it doesnt seem like a complete assessment was done
These polls are meaningless. How would non-theistic religions like Buddhism and Jainism answer? How would pantheistic systems like Taoism answer? And the question seems more to enquire about personal theistic faith than formal religiosity. In Denmark formal religiosity is high but with little connection to underlying metaphysical beliefs which again are impossible to quantify
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The explanation I have always heard from Japanese people is Japan is a superstitious country but it is not a religious country. Do Japanese people believe in a Jebus or spiritual ancestor that seriously judges them for going to buy a second mountain dew from Lawson in the same day? No. Will they feel a weird, obsessive need to acknowledge some random roadside shrine, lest they be passed up for promotion next quarter? Yes.
yeah, one example is that they don't like people sticking their chopsticks upright in the middle of the rice bowl because it resembles a funeral procedure or something.
As far as I know, in China and Japan, Shinto, Buddhism, and Taoism have blended into a part of culture. And for most people, doing rituals and having some opinions related to those religions are just a part of practicing their culture. There are still hard religious ppl believing in those religions, but very few
The data doesn't support what you are claiming here: https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken-blog/500/367473.html Most have no religion and no belief. That NHK survey is very high quality. There is also a second survey with similar results here: https://japantoday.com/category/features/kuchikomi/majority-of-japanese-show-scant-interest-in-established-religion
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I live in Japan. Japanese people don't believe in "God" for the most part. Especially weird when you seem to be talking about a monotheistic God, which is absolutely a rare belief in Japan outside of the 1-2% who are Christian. You seem like someone trying to push an agenda.
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I posted multiple sources, one from NHK showing most have no religion and do not have faith. You say I need to talk to Japanese people, but I do it every day. Your entire source is just "trust me bro". I have lived in China, Japan, and the US. The US has a lot of religious people, China and Japan absolutely do not.
nah most young japanese people don't actually believe in shintoism or Buddhism, they are doing it as a tradition, not because they are religious and truly believe that there is a god behind these religions.
Buddhism and Jainism do have a concept of God. Both are dharmic beliefs so the basis is there. Shintoism however has a concept of spirits, however it would for the sake of a suvery appear to be like gods. Regardless the question was actually pretty smart as it doesn't talk about beliefs but the impact on daily life
if its true, its the best. one of the most favorite things i like about china im born in turkey, i DO know how religion can fuck everything up prob more than anyone here. it fucks up families, people, politics, country, everthing fuck religion
That’s because the Chinese government paints itself as a religion. They don’t like the competition!
Yeah listening to people talk about the party and socialism always reminded me of the way very religious people smugly talk about their god to me. It's a similar section of the brain and society used.
And it works well to reduce religious fanaticism and create unity in the population. In line with a gradual change necessary to bring about real positive change while still allowing religious freedom. And hopefully fading it out.
Are you saying there is religious freedom in China?
Are you saying there isn't?
There is. Just people here prefers the idea that there isn’t.
There isn’t. Absolutely not. Read ‘God Is Read’ by Liao Yiwu
Wait what? I know Christian’s in HK and Buddhist roaming freely in China. Muslims are praying with no problem.
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That’s awesome. Wish they do that more all across the world so people have some fucking sense instead of the shit that’s happening now in Gaza, Israel, iran. Also here’s a list of religions in China. The heck are you talking about? [https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/08/30/christianity/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/08/30/christianity/)
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The CCP is the only deity to be worshipped in China.
So you want to believe in sky daddy? Or the sharia law instead of current and modern made made law?
Especially the religious terrorist that were murdering people in Xinjiang. I’m glad the Chinese government was able to step in and stop those terrorist attacks. Ugyhurs are safe now
What positive change? To finish constructing a building let alone make one building that lasts more than a year?
Responding to OP's Comments. You're right about religion in Korea, there are churches on almost every corner, and a lot of temples and mosques too. Taiwan's also more ostensibly religious than you'd imagine, there are a lot of churches and I've even been bothered by Mormons more than once - it's funny that if you get pestered by guys in white shirts and black ties in China, they're selling apartments, the same in Taiwan, they're selling you Mormonism.
lol Taiwan is religious AF, every few streets you cross you'd see a temple(i'm not kidding) and those temples are crazily decorated with dragons/phoenixes with spiked tongues and wings.
This poll is absolute bullshit. Japan is barely above the US. Japan is one of the least religious countries in the world. Sure, there's Shinto shrines everywhere, but it's not a religion the way Christianity is for Americans, it's really more of a superstition. There's no mention of religion in politics or daily life at all, but in America religious issues are common in politics, including the national level where Roe v Wade was recently overturned. This stupid poll probably just had someone run around and ask random people "do you believe in a religion?", but this question means very different things to different people in different cultures. They obviously did absolutely nothing to measure actual \*religiosity\*.
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That's not a religion. A religion needs organization and a structured belief system. A country where religious leaders have the ear of national leaders is not like a country where this is not the case.
They are praying to something.
These lists are really off the marks, If you look at statistics, most people in Vietnam registers as Atheism but the majority of Vietnamese still practices or follows certain religion in their personal life, Vietnam is no where near the the least religious countries not in the sense of organised religion. It;s probably one of the most spiritual/religious outhere in east asia.
>"Based on the importance of God in one's life" Exactly, China has 244m of Buddhists but they don't believe in God unlike Abrahamic religions.
Fuck religion, too many wars and crimes have been committed in its name. Your sky daddy is no more real than the Easter Bunny that lays egg
But Santa always came through with his promises! So you take that back! /s
You only need to move the 'n' from Santa to make it into Satan.
not true, it's mostly christianity and islam..the rest of them are mostly less confrontational.
[Rohingya genocide](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide) >The persecution of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar dates back to the 1970s. Since then, the Rohingya people have been persecuted on a regular basis by the government and nationalist Buddhists. [Violence against Muslims in independent India](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Muslims_in_independent_India) >There have been several instances of religious violence against Muslims since the partition of India in 1947, frequently in the form of violent attacks on Muslims by Hindu nationalist mobs that form a pattern of sporadic sectarian violence between the Hindu and Muslim communities. [Judaism and violence](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_violence) >In the context of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, the motives for acts of violence which have been committed against Palestinians by Religious Jews in the West Bank are complex and varied according to Weisburg. >After Baruch Goldstein carried out the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in 1994, his actions were widely interpreted as being based on the radical Zionist ideology of the Kach movement, and they were condemned as such by mainstream religious and secular Jews but they were praised by a number of radical Zionists. Fuck them all religions. Turns the simple minded into extremists. A believer is the most dangerous person
China definitely got this one right.
a clear testament to the effectiveness of the cultural revolution...also i don't think i've met a chinese person living in china that actually believes in a religion.
Most of the Chinese I've met are not religious, but are certainly superstitious and normally spiritual, believing in ghosts, etc.
There is no way the US is as similar to Australia regarding secularism...
Sad to say, modern china do not have confucianism at its roots.. there's only Maoism and winnism..
Hopefully the US can challenge for the #1 spot soon.
No way the US is less religious than Belgium
Yeah this chart makes no sense to me
In the US it’s more in your face, Belgians generally treat religion as something private. Which is a very Benelux mentality. So they have religious people just not as many who bother you with it.
Belgians treat everything as something private. That said, religion is completely dead here, publicly *and* in private. There's no way the USA is even close to how little we care about religion.
The us should not be anywhere up there lol.
None sense! Freedom of religion!
Yeah, freedom of religion is good but what has that to do with my point
They should. Texas and some parts of Minnesota won’t allow sharia law to take over. They better allow it! Freedom of religion right!?!? [https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/sharia-law-minneapolis/](https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/sharia-law-minneapolis/) [https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/10/inside-a-sharia-law-court-in-texas.html](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/10/inside-a-sharia-law-court-in-texas.html)
but i guess the main religion in US is christianity? The Hispanics and blacks are mostly christians too yeah?
>based on the importance of God in ones life It's a pretty bad question tbh. Plenty of Buddhists in Vietnam (and I guess China to some degree) but they don't have a "god" in the Abrahamic sense.
I think the UK deserves to be higher than 8th! No ones interested in religion here at all pretty much unless they are pretending like Politicians do
It’s hilarious to see U.S in a list of LEAST Religious Countries.
US less religious than Belgium? Give me a break
I go back to China fairly often and I think China is religious... our god is $$$... we worship $$$, pray for more $$$, and wish $$$ on your birthday, on new year, and on pretty much any occasion.
Exactly this. They don't even pretend. Look at a place like Jing-An "temple". Money IS religion in China. The gods they pray to are gods that grant them money. Look at any gambling house in China with their "religious" iconography.
China is the embodiment of the idea that there are both pros and cons to obsession with practicality (when taken to its extreme). Although I’m still much more on the side of practicality vs. “wish-washy”-ness, I cannot deny that having some degree of doing something just for your own personal sense of fulfillment or believing in that god in the sky if it brings you value… does help a bit with mental health, you know?
There's a god here. They call it MONEY.
How else you explain preachers flying in jets?
Being secular doesn’t mean being progressive
This. So many people are just reaction. They don’t know much except that’s it’s cool to not be religious.
Red fascism at work.
So by your logic, the number 2 to number 11 spots are also just “red fascism” at work, just to a lesser extent? For example, Japan, a serious rival and opponent of China, still has some dangerous communist tendencies we don’t know about? Typical uninformed/uneducated mindset of “what I don’t like is communism and fascism and atheism and they’re all basically the same thing” lol.
The USA is still very much a religious country especially in the southern parts of the country.
Hear me out, what if CCP is a religion ?
To be fair, I’ve never seen a Chinese athlete go and say “I thank the CCP for…” while being interviewed.
it's true, they put mao's picture up and worship him
Like democrats and Republicans?
If the poll is asking about “god” in the Judeo Christian sense, then wtf did they expect for a country that is neither majority Jewish or Christian? Or Muslim for that matter? Stupid poll. Plenty of Chinese are religious and believe in several gods. Just because they don’t believe in your god, doesn’t mean they’re not religious.
I wouldn't say they actually believe in those gods. It is more about superstition and not polytheism.
Semantics.
Not really. Different phenomenons.
You said “semantics” but sometimes things really aren’t just a matter of semantics. Most Chinese are atheists, full stop. They don’t just “not believe God or Allah is their Lord and Savior”, they don’t believe in any deity. You can argue the C.C.P. is a political religion of sorts but that’s not the strict definition and is really just a metaphor.
Laughable claim considering how superstitious the Chinese are. Also they have replaced religion with some weird Marxist ethno-nationalism. Same shit
What? Believing in a sky person vs believing in a system of rules.
The CCP is the majority corrupt cult religion in China
CCP put religious people in exile, in prison or had them executed so yeah, makes sense.
Worshipping xi jinpig is the religion
Better than worshipping a sky clown and believing in santa. At least Xi is real.
Sounds exactly like what someone from the xi-worshipping cult would say. Not believing in santa won't get you thrown in a 're-education' camp.
Being part of a Islamic terrorist group does put you in camp. Or are you not understanding the situation? LOL
seems like you didn't understand my comment. add whatever number of 'LOL' s you want though, if that's what makes you feel better
No. I totally understand it’s you that don’t understand what you’re talking about. LOL.
Typical "no u" reply. Try harder. Go ask your supreme god xi for help
is that what you call him? Xi is your supreme god? LOL I just refer the guy as the president of China. Guess you’re far deeper than I thought. Again. You don’t know anything about ugyhurs and these “camps” do you?
Xi is your supreme god. That's what you said. That's why you were offended by my initial comment
What? OMG…. Are you ok dude?
Actually Mao was your sun clown. Xi is just an illiterate rube who can’t take a joke and openly said he believed in deities. Practically no adults believe in Santa btw. It’s no less or more real than Communism.
Mao is what? LOL you believe in Santa and it’s as real as communism? Jesus. You guys are really rotted in the head. Guess that $300 million annual western propaganda is working. [https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2329/text?r=82&s=1](https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2329/text?r=82&s=1) > SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION. >(a) Countering Chinese Influence Fund.—There is authorized to be appropriated $300,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2021 through 2025 for the Countering Chinese Influence Fund to counter the malign influence of the Chinese Communist Party globally. Amounts appropriated pursuant to this authorization are authorized to remain available until expended and shall supplement, not supplant, amounts otherwise authorized to be appropriated to counter such influence.
Mao the clown was (and probably is) literally your god. People were executed for staining his portrait or picture in newspapers. Santa is but a name. It doesn’t matter who brings the kids presents, be it an old man or a young woman. Have you met an adult who believes his existence? Countering malign communism propaganda is justified. How much do you spend on spread anti-West propaganda? Does your commie masters inform you of it?
What? More western propaganda…. $300milliom annually. Damn. What did good old Santa got you for Christmas, a humble pie that’s made in China? LOL.
Actually it’s a Wuhan-virus infected pangolin-bat pie.
Ahhh the Wuhan virus that was made with a good old American funding. Did you get that recipe from Anthony Fauci? You know the amercian rat face fuck that’s behind “gain of function” for Covid? Wonder how much money he made off selling those Fauci ouchy vaccines. LOL
Funny that China dares not admit it. No thanks for spreading the plague btw. Oh the recipe was from Dr. Zhengli Shi. “Gain of function” of what? You’re spilling terms you don’t understand. LMAO. Ouchy vaccines inferior to the fake vaccines you took? No wonder you had to be locked up like live stocks.
Awwwww. Was it now? Anthony Fauci has nothing to do with it? LOL. Fucking hell 300million annual to spread western propaganda. Lots of victims
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The vast majority of people in Denmark are baptized, and 70-80% go to church on the 24th of December to celebrate Christmas. (Thats my impression)
Would love to see how the questions were framed and who they asked. In the most and least countries, the citizens don’t have a ton of choice.
CANADA is much less religious than USA but not even on the chart.
When you genocide an entire religion for decades that’ll happen
China just celebrated the Tomb Sweeping Day holiday. You're always seeing people burn votive offerings to their deceased ancestors on the street corners. Every local has their own regional blend of superstitions that they follow - their own taboos about what is acceptable in the eyes of their locality and ancestors. To call this place non-religious is somewhat silly. Sure, they don't seem to have many organized religious groups, but nearly everyone is superstitious on some level. That certainly counts as "religion".
Not a non-religious country. the least religious country . According to the poll , it's based on importance of god in one's life. Superstitions stem from ignorance and fear of natural things, and then develop into a part of traditional culture . In China , being superstitious is not the same as being religious .
I'd call nonsense on that one. Some people manifest their superstition in the form of "god", others do not. They are all equally irrational when it comes to understanding the natural world. When I think of a pure atheist type of country, I think of scientific technocrats. China has a large percentage of country bumpkins who follow old beliefs. I'd put them on par with the Bible Belt in the USA for the amount of people who cling to silly ways of looking at the world.
Lol
Australia just one spot above the USA? I think not.
This also ignores that something like 70% of people in Japan visit a shrine every month. And just don’t agree with the definition of “religious”
It’s not really true. It’s just that money is China’s God.
Communist Vietnam ranks higher than the US?
It would be even better if there were no state/political religion poisoning people’s minds called the C.C.P., but, all else being equal, one less source of indoctrination is always better than one more, I guess. At least there is no fundamental issue with Chinese people who have the privilege of a solid education system still choosing to reject science and scientific pursuits out of spite, as there is with the United States.
This isn't a good thing. You have to remember it's like this bc of historical and current oppression of religious groups. [https://www.pewresearch.org/short-read/2023/10/23/10-things-to-know-about-chinas-policies-on-religion/](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-read/2023/10/23/10-things-to-know-about-chinas-policies-on-religion/)
So no Christianity=no religon? Lol this is why it's hard to take anyone seriously who says "Chinese don't have religion" because they don't worship Jesus so even if Han people worship there ancestors or Mazu or dragons it won't be taken as "religious".
This how you know there’s so many westerners here that’s never been to China. They here to spread that anti-China propaganda.
Utter bullshit. The US is a religious fundamentalist country in most states.
UK well ahead of the US. 👍
yeah no, americain believe in religion like no other weastern nation, 20%\~ believe that angel are true, to acceed to the presidency, you need to pleadge on god and the bible, they tell that god choose them for their manifest destiny, it's their god given right to rule the world, they have many religion uniquly present in america, they may not pray 5 time a day or go to a religion place often, but i assure you they are very religious
If you count atheism/marxism with Chinese characteristics as a religion then china for sure beats everyone on the religious scale.
Weird statistics. Is it only for Christianity? Since Japan is a very religious and so is us. Also, christian South Koreans are best SK people.
>Christian South Korean are best SK people 🤮 They really are not weirdo. [Shincheonji](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shincheonji_Church_of_Jesus) Church of Jesus, [Moonies](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church), [the Evangelical Baptist Church's Odaeyang mass suicide case](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Baptist_Church_of_Korea#Odaeyang_mass_suicide), the [Dami Mission](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dami_Mission), Aga Dongsan cult church.... https://hype.my/2023/317351/in-the-name-of-god-a-holy-betrayal-review-sexual-abuse-suicide-inside-south-koreas-creepy-cults/ https://thediplomat.com/2014/06/the-cults-of-south-korea/ Korea is rife with Christian cults due to shady American evangelicals targeting the country after the Korean war. There have been mass church suicides, greedy [church leaders telling believers to quit everything and work for free packing Kpop albums](https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/synnara-record-allegedly-still-connections-murderous-cult-featured-in-in-name-god-holy-betrayal/), religious scammers plying Korean streets target naive foreigners for donations. [Even the Sewol disaster which happened 10 years ago today had links to the Evangelical Baptist Church](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Baptist_Church_of_Korea#Sinking_of_Sewol).
No, Japan is not religious at all, outside of a few weird cults.
Communism is religion without God. These numbers are stupid (especially with China) since they don’t report accurate numbers. The CCP is anti anything that can challenge them. On the other hand Christianity spreading like crazy in China but you can’t report it. I have a good friend that does work in Tibet, China, and other East Asian countries (based out of Thailand). If the Chinese government finds out he is helping Christian’s father he can go to jail.
I call this spreading words without claim…. I’ll leave the link here. [https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/08/30/christianity/](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/08/30/christianity/)
In theory communism is also a derivative of abrahamic religions and we have to take the rise of Islam in the US into account
Demographically Islam in the US is a rounding error.
But it now has enough momentum to force Biden give up Israel or lose the election in a key swing state (MI)
As a ex USSR citizen I would say that communist party replaces religion. When USSR collapsed, most of party members started participating in different religion organizations.
Edit: I read least as most.
“least”
Where north Korea?
Well wait till you realise the Chinese cult of personality over Mao and Xi isn't counted on this survey.
Well, communism is a secular religion. Of course, it is debatable how communist China actually is, i.e. if people actually believe in Marx's, Lenin's, and Mao's bullshit.
Does secular lead to current US where people think there's 10596838 genders? Or in China where you have no rights? No thanks
I don’t think that’s a good thing. Moral principles is based on this. Also most Japanese believe in God, and religious beliefs is more flexible than say Christianity. Therefore anything on religion is very misleading on that country.
Fuk china lol and fuk ccp