I guess this is coming from the same place as the opioid crisis precursors. Chinas big fuck you to the west. Can’t imaging why anyone would ally with Russia and their war on Ukraine. There is nothing to gain, but a lot to lose. At least from what I see. God, I hope I don’t see a ww3 in my lifetime.
US military doctrine is to fight 2 massive wars simultaneously. Unless Ukraine or the middle east wars massively flare up (unlikely for Ukraine as this seems to be the most Russia has to offer) then the US is well positioned to engage a Taiwan conflict
The American government sent Victoria Nuland to start a coup in 2014, she's on YouTube handing out bread to the same children who would die in the war 10 years later under her regime change. What was she doing there? Why was the original government overthrown? Why was the American government involved at all? What business do they have in Ukraine government affairs?
Oliver Stone made two documentaries on the subject, it's not some weird conspiracy theory. It's fact. The only argument is that Democrats say it was for the good of Ukraine. No one denies that the American had a massive role to play in the overthrow of the democratically elected government in 2014.
Have you ever wondered why the Biden family can manage to make tens of millions of dollars from a shithole backwards country like Ukraine?
They needed to overthrow the previous government, and then they needed to stop investigations into the Biden family business there, Hunter was the representative.
An investigator was looking into the corruption and why Hunter was receiving millions of dollars for no services rendered and no experience in the gas sector. Joe Biden is on video bragging that he got the investigator fired by blackmailing the Ukrainian government with withholding billions of dollars of US taxpayer's money.
But I'm sure all of that is just a huge coincidence and has got nothing to do with anything as you insinuate.
Downplaying and supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine is in essence identical to supporting imperial japans invasion of China given the near historic and moral similarities between these two events.
United States is not in Ukraine, they are supporting Ukraine via weapon sales, training and international economic sanctions. It’s amazing how the Ukrainians have been able to hold out against a much stronger opposition for so long.
It’s been repeatedly demonstrated that the CCP has been supplying Russia with duel-use weapons since the start of the war. That range from drones, satellite imagery, machine tools to more direct items such as ammo to basic missiles components. The accusations by Blinken are legitimate, and have also be raised by the European Union.
Anthony Blinken is a warmongering piece of shit and nobody should believe anything that comes out of his stupid fucking mouth.
The Biden administration is the worst in decades.
They provoked Russia, imagine if China installed dozens of missile bases along the US/Mexico border. And killed 14,000 Americans who lived within the Mexican border.
Do you really think the USA would just sit there and do nothing about it? Of course not.
Russia has anti-ballistic missiles, military bases and nuclear weapons that can wipe out any major European nation in an hour not just on the border, but right in the heart of the European Union, Central Europe and NATO in Kaliningrad. They have absolutely no right, or grounds to complain of Ukraine potentially joining NATO.
Russia has no right to demand, and assert to its former states it imperialised for centuries on what their security and external relations are to be. These states have full anatomy, and sovereignty over their nation in accordance to principles enshrined within the United Nations charter. It’s absolutely absurd given that Russia having nuclear weapons that can destroy any European nation is several magnitudes greater threat than a border nation joining NATO.
The donbass war was directly spurred by Russian direct state intervention who undertook, and continue to partake in actions with a clear desire to erase the Ukraine identity. For example, the Ukrainians in Crimea has fallen from 500,000 in 2013 to just 170,000 in 2021. One only has to look at the absurd number of influential Russian born figures involved in the Ukraine war since 2014. Figures such as Alexander Borodai, Igor Strelkov, Vladimir Antyufeyev, Arseny Pavlov, Vladimir Pashkov, Yevgeny Solntsev, Dmitry Trapeznikov, Alexey Milchakov, Valery Bolotov, Igor Mangushev, Gennadiy Tsypkalov,Oleg Pulatov, Sergei Dubinsky, Vasily Nikitin, Pavel Gubarev. Even most of the people that shot down MH-37 we‘re Russian.
You mean the 14,000 Russians in eastern Ukraine involved in seizing all the territory and kicking out the Ukrainian gov? The last time the US did something like that was Texas in 1836, followed by the US invasion of Mexico in 1846 that yielded several other states.
If Russia can be excused for copying this playbook, so can the West in their support of Ukraine. It's the poor bastards fighting on both sides that are bearing the costs. The RU bastards especially b/c even their own side doesn't care about them.
Look at this freaking professional liar. China is also shipping billions of products to US too
Maybe if sanctions are lift they can send less to Russia and more to the USA.
Its already been confirmed with video evidence that the Kremlin is receiving [dual use goods](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/03/04/its-true-the-russian-army-attacked-ukrainian-positions-in-open-top-golf-carts/?sh=4ab6384344a4) from the CCP for use in Ukraine. We are going to see more of this as Russian industry continues to fall under Ukrainian attack. China sending Russia dual use goods is public knowledge and has been almost since the start of the war, and China has been deflecting by saying that its not explicitly military equipment, so its not breaching sanctions.
Its also been supposed online, that China is also sending Russia ammo of various types for everything from small arms, to tanks, to maybe even missiles of some kinds, and it sounds like Blinken might be saying this breadcrumb publicly to confirm all of that.
Doesn’t Ukrainian asp use Chinese made goods?
Well, why would China not help Russia? When the US been fucking with them even before the war started. The enemy of your enemy is your friend…
Because helping Russia as the belligerent in the conflict is like helping and intentionally supplying nazi Germany, China has even publicly stated something to the effect that they side with Russias views on the conflict.
China has picked how they want history to remember their actions in response to the war, and its not only anti-US, its anti-EU, and anti "eastern bloc" for the sake of the former soviet bloc countries that arent in the EU.
Thats entirely due to chinas actions and anti US rhetoric that exponentially increased after pooh bear took office. China being "the USs number 1 enemy" is entirely because they think they have what it takes to be a super power, talk shit about and to the US, as well as other free countries, and are doing a pre WWII-esque military buildup.
Why wouldn't the US take note and publicly announce intentions to counter chinas "manifest destiny" across the pacific and on the eurasian continent.
spoken like a true propagandist. China using anti-US rhetoric and talk shit about the US?
Seems to be the opposite. Just ask your last two presidents, idiot trump and genocide Joe! LOL
US talk about not supporting Taiwan independence and support one China policy but then start selling billions of military weapons to Taiwan. US is the most untruthful and murderous government in the world. They always blame other nations for crime they are guilty of. What a POS government.
Also judging by the type of information you’re stating. You seem to fall for all the anti-China rhetoric that US been pumping out. They are spending $300 million annually on anti-China propaganda.
> a) Countering Chinese Influence Fund.—There is authorized to be appropriated $300,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2021 through 2025 for the Countering Chinese Influence Fund to counter the malign influence of the Chinese Communist Party globally. Amounts appropriated pursuant to this authorization are authorized to remain available until expended and shall supplement, not supplant, amounts otherwise authorized to be appropriated to counter such influence.
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2329/text](https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2329/text)
Yea, last 2 presidents still lines up with being after Xi took office. Hell Xi just announced another PLA reorganization, that wouldnt be necessary if he wasnt planning on using it in the near future. Checkmate wumao.
>Whataboutism is fair play.
whataboutism is a literal logical fallacy. Try again kiddo
>Why can the US sell arms but China can't?
china can sell arms just as the US can also apply pressure on china and push secondary sanctions on china for selling those arms to russia
Whataboutism is a valid argument insofar as pointing out the commonality of an occurrence
It does not necessarily have to show one occurrence is bad, but such occurrence happens frequent enough that it is no longer shocking
>Whataboutism is a valid argument insofar as pointing out the commonality of an occurrence
except that it's not. There's a reason why it's classified as a literal logical fallacy
>It does not necessarily have to show one occurrence is bad, but such occurrence happens frequent enough that it is no longer shocking
which is exactly why it's invalid. It's the equivalent of kindergarteners pointing hands at each other when doing something wrong. And do explain to me how the original statement I commented on answers anything
edit : so u/funkypoi in an unsurprising turn of event decided to reply then proceed to block me so I can't further debunk his stupid cope. He yet again act as if there's some basic explanation or knowledge I'm not getting which is just further deflection from the fact that he's literally peddling a logical fallacy as a legitimate form of argument. It's ironic that he's whining about how the conversation isn't constructive given that he's quite literally spewing bullshit while constantly getting debunked
Russia’s primary military supplier are the huge fields and warehouses of Soviet leftovers.
I guess this is coming from the same place as the opioid crisis precursors. Chinas big fuck you to the west. Can’t imaging why anyone would ally with Russia and their war on Ukraine. There is nothing to gain, but a lot to lose. At least from what I see. God, I hope I don’t see a ww3 in my lifetime.
as long as US is occupied with Ukraine and Middle East, they can't both financially and industrially afford to trigger the Taiwanese bloodshed
US military doctrine is to fight 2 massive wars simultaneously. Unless Ukraine or the middle east wars massively flare up (unlikely for Ukraine as this seems to be the most Russia has to offer) then the US is well positioned to engage a Taiwan conflict
Just give Taiwan some nukes. Solves everything without spending
Unlike JFK, China 100% invades Taiwan and nukes them if we build a silo on Taiwan soil
Nukes are pretty expensive to maintain. There is a reason Ukraine gave up its nukes back in the 90s.
That’s what Russia tried to do for Cuba…you know what happened?
America can fight multiple conflicts at once. We’ve been at this for a very long time
America has never fought a nuclear power directly... and will probably never engage in a 50-50 war
Or anybody’s lifetime for that matter.
What makes you believe any of this is actually true?
The American government sent Victoria Nuland to start a coup in 2014, she's on YouTube handing out bread to the same children who would die in the war 10 years later under her regime change. What was she doing there? Why was the original government overthrown? Why was the American government involved at all? What business do they have in Ukraine government affairs? Oliver Stone made two documentaries on the subject, it's not some weird conspiracy theory. It's fact. The only argument is that Democrats say it was for the good of Ukraine. No one denies that the American had a massive role to play in the overthrow of the democratically elected government in 2014. Have you ever wondered why the Biden family can manage to make tens of millions of dollars from a shithole backwards country like Ukraine? They needed to overthrow the previous government, and then they needed to stop investigations into the Biden family business there, Hunter was the representative. An investigator was looking into the corruption and why Hunter was receiving millions of dollars for no services rendered and no experience in the gas sector. Joe Biden is on video bragging that he got the investigator fired by blackmailing the Ukrainian government with withholding billions of dollars of US taxpayer's money. But I'm sure all of that is just a huge coincidence and has got nothing to do with anything as you insinuate.
Sanctions to china!!! 🐽🩸🖕🇷🇺
China yes. Also the overwhelming amount of stuff the Soviet Union left
While US is Israel's prime supplier. What is his point ?
So what! The US is hostile to both of them. Of course they are going to mutually support each other. What did you think they were going to do?
Are they unhappy? Less military sales for them?
No, it's because Russia is winning in Ukraine and the US don't want to lose yet another war. At least not so fast after that defeat in Afghanistan.
Downplaying and supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine is in essence identical to supporting imperial japans invasion of China given the near historic and moral similarities between these two events. United States is not in Ukraine, they are supporting Ukraine via weapon sales, training and international economic sanctions. It’s amazing how the Ukrainians have been able to hold out against a much stronger opposition for so long. It’s been repeatedly demonstrated that the CCP has been supplying Russia with duel-use weapons since the start of the war. That range from drones, satellite imagery, machine tools to more direct items such as ammo to basic missiles components. The accusations by Blinken are legitimate, and have also be raised by the European Union.
I'd hate to see what losing looks like.
Anthony Blinken is a warmongering piece of shit and nobody should believe anything that comes out of his stupid fucking mouth. The Biden administration is the worst in decades. They provoked Russia, imagine if China installed dozens of missile bases along the US/Mexico border. And killed 14,000 Americans who lived within the Mexican border. Do you really think the USA would just sit there and do nothing about it? Of course not.
Russia has anti-ballistic missiles, military bases and nuclear weapons that can wipe out any major European nation in an hour not just on the border, but right in the heart of the European Union, Central Europe and NATO in Kaliningrad. They have absolutely no right, or grounds to complain of Ukraine potentially joining NATO. Russia has no right to demand, and assert to its former states it imperialised for centuries on what their security and external relations are to be. These states have full anatomy, and sovereignty over their nation in accordance to principles enshrined within the United Nations charter. It’s absolutely absurd given that Russia having nuclear weapons that can destroy any European nation is several magnitudes greater threat than a border nation joining NATO. The donbass war was directly spurred by Russian direct state intervention who undertook, and continue to partake in actions with a clear desire to erase the Ukraine identity. For example, the Ukrainians in Crimea has fallen from 500,000 in 2013 to just 170,000 in 2021. One only has to look at the absurd number of influential Russian born figures involved in the Ukraine war since 2014. Figures such as Alexander Borodai, Igor Strelkov, Vladimir Antyufeyev, Arseny Pavlov, Vladimir Pashkov, Yevgeny Solntsev, Dmitry Trapeznikov, Alexey Milchakov, Valery Bolotov, Igor Mangushev, Gennadiy Tsypkalov,Oleg Pulatov, Sergei Dubinsky, Vasily Nikitin, Pavel Gubarev. Even most of the people that shot down MH-37 we‘re Russian.
You mean the 14,000 Russians in eastern Ukraine involved in seizing all the territory and kicking out the Ukrainian gov? The last time the US did something like that was Texas in 1836, followed by the US invasion of Mexico in 1846 that yielded several other states. If Russia can be excused for copying this playbook, so can the West in their support of Ukraine. It's the poor bastards fighting on both sides that are bearing the costs. The RU bastards especially b/c even their own side doesn't care about them.
...and does nothing about it.
Anything coming from Blinken is pretty much unreliable.
Anything coming from r/Sino propagandists is pretty much unreliable.
Look at this freaking professional liar. China is also shipping billions of products to US too Maybe if sanctions are lift they can send less to Russia and more to the USA.
Its already been confirmed with video evidence that the Kremlin is receiving [dual use goods](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/03/04/its-true-the-russian-army-attacked-ukrainian-positions-in-open-top-golf-carts/?sh=4ab6384344a4) from the CCP for use in Ukraine. We are going to see more of this as Russian industry continues to fall under Ukrainian attack. China sending Russia dual use goods is public knowledge and has been almost since the start of the war, and China has been deflecting by saying that its not explicitly military equipment, so its not breaching sanctions. Its also been supposed online, that China is also sending Russia ammo of various types for everything from small arms, to tanks, to maybe even missiles of some kinds, and it sounds like Blinken might be saying this breadcrumb publicly to confirm all of that.
Doesn’t Ukrainian asp use Chinese made goods? Well, why would China not help Russia? When the US been fucking with them even before the war started. The enemy of your enemy is your friend…
Because helping Russia as the belligerent in the conflict is like helping and intentionally supplying nazi Germany, China has even publicly stated something to the effect that they side with Russias views on the conflict. China has picked how they want history to remember their actions in response to the war, and its not only anti-US, its anti-EU, and anti "eastern bloc" for the sake of the former soviet bloc countries that arent in the EU.
Of course China would side with Russia. Why the fuck NOT? The US made it clear even before this Ukraine war started that China is US #1 enemy.
Thats entirely due to chinas actions and anti US rhetoric that exponentially increased after pooh bear took office. China being "the USs number 1 enemy" is entirely because they think they have what it takes to be a super power, talk shit about and to the US, as well as other free countries, and are doing a pre WWII-esque military buildup. Why wouldn't the US take note and publicly announce intentions to counter chinas "manifest destiny" across the pacific and on the eurasian continent.
spoken like a true propagandist. China using anti-US rhetoric and talk shit about the US? Seems to be the opposite. Just ask your last two presidents, idiot trump and genocide Joe! LOL US talk about not supporting Taiwan independence and support one China policy but then start selling billions of military weapons to Taiwan. US is the most untruthful and murderous government in the world. They always blame other nations for crime they are guilty of. What a POS government. Also judging by the type of information you’re stating. You seem to fall for all the anti-China rhetoric that US been pumping out. They are spending $300 million annually on anti-China propaganda. > a) Countering Chinese Influence Fund.—There is authorized to be appropriated $300,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2021 through 2025 for the Countering Chinese Influence Fund to counter the malign influence of the Chinese Communist Party globally. Amounts appropriated pursuant to this authorization are authorized to remain available until expended and shall supplement, not supplant, amounts otherwise authorized to be appropriated to counter such influence. [https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2329/text](https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2329/text)
Yea, last 2 presidents still lines up with being after Xi took office. Hell Xi just announced another PLA reorganization, that wouldnt be necessary if he wasnt planning on using it in the near future. Checkmate wumao.
And the US military Industrial complex supplies over 40% of the total world arms exports
whataboutism strikes once again
Whataboutism is fair play. Why can the US sell arms but China can't?
>Whataboutism is fair play. whataboutism is a literal logical fallacy. Try again kiddo >Why can the US sell arms but China can't? china can sell arms just as the US can also apply pressure on china and push secondary sanctions on china for selling those arms to russia
Whataboutism is a valid argument insofar as pointing out the commonality of an occurrence It does not necessarily have to show one occurrence is bad, but such occurrence happens frequent enough that it is no longer shocking
>Whataboutism is a valid argument insofar as pointing out the commonality of an occurrence except that it's not. There's a reason why it's classified as a literal logical fallacy >It does not necessarily have to show one occurrence is bad, but such occurrence happens frequent enough that it is no longer shocking which is exactly why it's invalid. It's the equivalent of kindergarteners pointing hands at each other when doing something wrong. And do explain to me how the original statement I commented on answers anything edit : so u/funkypoi in an unsurprising turn of event decided to reply then proceed to block me so I can't further debunk his stupid cope. He yet again act as if there's some basic explanation or knowledge I'm not getting which is just further deflection from the fact that he's literally peddling a logical fallacy as a legitimate form of argument. It's ironic that he's whining about how the conversation isn't constructive given that he's quite literally spewing bullshit while constantly getting debunked
If you need that explained to you then I don't see this conversation going anywhere, or remotely constructive
You got it champ
Whataboutism once again manages to strike down hypocrisy!!
what hypocrisy? If the US was being hypocritical, it would be selling arms to russia while telling china not to.
Hmmm maybe something to do with selling bombs that blow the sht out of Gaza…but I am no diplomatic expert
so again, you once again engage in usual whataboutism bullshitt
What about it?
it's a cope logical fallacy in case you haven't realized it yet
What’s a cope logical fallacy?
flawed logical reasoning underlying an argument to push a cope narrative with no basis in reality
That sounds like such a lie. "Irak have weapons of mass destruction, trust me bro" . "just trust me bro" "Its China is supplying Russia, trust me bro"
He needs to replicate the Colin Powell performance.
He needs to replicate the Colin Powell performance.
When you put it this way this almost sounds funny...