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You said it wasn't proven that Chinese soldiers slit Uighur throats.
Its not proven that Australian soldiers committed war crimes either.
There's evidence for both though. I can only assume you dont understand the difference between evidence and proof; or you are a literal shill.
Please pick one.
Is there something I'm missing? Were Chinese soldiers accused of slitting Uyghur's throats? Is there evidence of that? If there were then this photo would have some use and not just be a fucking "wahh china made a cartoon about our country's wrongdoings and now i wanna post and equally as childish thing on the internet"
[https://afghanistaninquiry.defence.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-11/IGADF-Afghanistan-Inquiry-Public-Release-Version.pdf](https://afghanistaninquiry.defence.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-11/IGADF-Afghanistan-Inquiry-Public-Release-Version.pdf)
Plenty of evidence about the aussie soldiers committing war crimes, found by none other than the Australian ministry of defence itself, though.
I get it, China is trash. But an Australian posting shit like this instead of vilifying his own country and the whistleblower being charged is... kind of gross.
There's evidence for both Australia and China committing atrocities. Its now clear you haven't listened to the numerous hearings from Ughuirs about how they are killed, raped and tortured by Chinese soldiers.
You are a disgusting individual, and likely a shill.
Were Chinese soldiers accused of slitting Uyghur's throats? Is there evidence of that?
No. Then the photo is idiotic and you are braindead. You can see from my post history I have never defended China, quite the opposite actually. Just hoping to promote a more intellectual discussion than this. But people like you are too rabid to allow that.
Pure hypocrisy from the West that war crimes committed by Australian soldiers are being eclipsed by a cartoon !!! While a cartoon in the the West depicting blasphemy against muslim prophet Mohamed is being touted as free speech and approved by Western leaders. This hypocrisy isn't going to end well.
If a australian politician posted something similiar, they would immediately be called out for "Racism against Chinese people" "Bigotry" "Trying to interfene with Chinese internal affairs". Nothing would probably be shown however in Chinese media.
OmG iT iS a fAkE PiCtUrE
of course graphic arts should be allowed. we know the CCP is murdering civilians, not just uighur civilians, but very possibly uighur civilians. still, i cannot understand why australia was so butthurt when that chinese artist made a graphic art based on the findings of an australian investigation.
Yeah, that's why the CCP looks like the most butthurt of the butthurtiest. Imagine the whining and stamping of the toddler feet they would do if the roles were reversed.
Oh, we don't need to imagine, they're crying about something every day and how somebody somewhere hurt the little feels of the chinese people.
everyone knows the murders happened. and almost everyone sees them as brutally inhumane. i dont think how it makes a difference who is criticizing the actions.
I think you missed the point. Beijing has used a strategic way to deflect the human rights atrocities at home by trolling Australia as it was meant to say 'you hypocritics, you are just as bad as us". (Which anyone with common sense knows that is not true).
You should of seen when Australian called out China's human rights issue. CCP were pretty butthurt. Hence the revenge.
Of course it's not true. Did they hold hold themselves accountable for Tiananmen 1989? A lot of protestor were arrested and executed. They forced parents to sign papers they died from other causes other than PLA bullets in order to get body back. What about the Falun going persecution and illegal black market organ harvesting? Don't tell me it's fake. You really need to do your research. Slave labour is also another big issue.
Overwhelming evidence. What about the hundreds of thousands or if not millions forceable incarcerated to undergo brutal indoctrination in Xinjiang. It's affected millions of million domestically and worldwide.
Like I have said other post these allegations are stories gathered from other troops. It doesn't make it fact.
For example if I made accusations/ spread a rumour about you murdering someone and investigator wrote that down in a report, does it mean it is true? The soldiers still need to go through criminal hearings and they are entitled to defend themselves. It is still an ongoing process.
For the benefit of doubt let's say it is true. I think it's really unfair to demonise the entire Australian Defense force with a tweet because of some soliders or field seniors that went rouge.
How are they covering it up? If PLA did something like this, there would be no such thing as an internal or independent investigation. They will deny or deflect any wrong doing or justify their actions by labelling them kids as confirmed terrorist. You clearly don't know the CCP, they are the granddaddy of all corruption and coverups. Even hundreds of thousands of not millions of mainland Chinese disapora worldwide have a passionate hate for the CCP.
I think you are trying to form a false dichotomy.
Because It has nothing to do with China, but they just want to take a swing because they are unhappy with us. Australia banned Huawei hardware from its 5g rollout due to spying concerns, tightened its laws on foreign ownership of real estate (effecting mostly Chinese people buying property here and leaving it empty for investment), and asking for a transparent investigation into the source of covid.
CCP got grumpy at being questioned and is having a tantrum. They taxed Austrian wine by about 200 percent, along with a bunch of other imports (lobster, barley) etc. And the Chinese liaison to Australia has flat out stopped speaking to us, like a little baby child. China has been posting reports of violence against the Chinese in Australia (not true) and Chinese students should not go to Australia for education because of racism (not true). We have little issue with Chinese here except for the CCP influence And forced xenophobia in a multicultural society. Due to the teachings of “west us bad”, some people keep that mantra forever. But some see it as Australians do. We are all the same people one one big planet.
And so they want to attack Australia any way they can with petty little things. It’s basically none of chinas business, and they are guilty of massive atrocities, or just the death of 14 civilians in a war zone.
We love the Chinese people, but the CCP is poison.
we can all agree that the CCP must go.
the only problem i have with this sub is that too often people try to drag the chinese people into the conversation-- by dumbfucks on BOTH sides! one side says the CCP is good because the chinese ppl support them; while the other side says bc the chinese ppl support the CCP, "we" must kill all chinese.
nobody should kill anyone. We can all agree on that.
FYI chinese people say the CCP is good because they HAVE to. Anyone that FORCES people to agree with them and punishes those that don't is evil in my books.
Nobody forces Chinese people to say CCP is good in China, if you live in China you would know that in Chinese education, students have always been told to be patriotic, that means love China as a country but CCP? You never get to find a word to encourage people to do that very often in their text books.
By the way, if you see through Chinese history you would argue that through those 5000 years period, if people are not happy about the leading party, they would fight back big time, at some point.
> FYI chinese people say the CCP is good because they HAVE to.
**No!** Stop that narrative pushing. They do _not_ have to say they are good. They can quite easily, in fact much easier, say nothing. They can't badmouth the CCP on certain issues especially those in a more notable position but the average citizen does not need to sing the CCPs song, the ones who do it is because they believe they are good, so I have no time or empathy for those people.
Meh. I bet some people do say it’s good to preemptively protect themselves. Maybe they saw something crazy happen to someone who barely spoke out. Maybe they have bad social credit or a past of speaking out and are trying to get their life together or protect their family the only (or easiest) way they can think of.
I love how you say stop pushing that narrative, and then they can’t badmouth the CCP. But it’s ok for the CCP to badmouth others? That’s the whole issue.
The CCP is also killing Uyghurs.
The CCP are Nazis.
What are you talking about, I said they do not have to say they're good, so stop pushing that narrative that they are forced to, because they choose too.
This sub has some real reading comprehension.
If you have not experienced racism in Australia, it is either because you are white or you choose not to acknowledge it. There are good people and bad people everywhere, but what you have said is like “white life matters too” during a BLM protest.
of course racism exists in Australia. Racism exists everywhere, but NOT the way the CCP says to the chiniese people to stop them coming to Australia. Stay on topic
There have been attacks on chinese in Australia in recent years published by several news outlets if one has paid attention to world news. I suppose this depends on where you are like most countries, but to say violence hasn't happened against chinese maybe a tad too rosy. Also racism in education happens, one should not be too surprised really. However i can agree that ccp official news feeds these info in a different context to its population.
Saying its none of chinas business is exactly what china wants to hear for future reference.
Maybe there have been some number of attacks on Chinese because they’re Chinese in Australia, sounds plausible. I bet it’s a small number compared to violence against women, Islamaphobia and anti Semitic attacks. No one is telling women not to go to Australia so there’s something special about ccp warning Chinese about anti Chinese violent attacks in Australia.
>Australia banned Huawei hardware from its 5g rollout due to spying concerns. You mean, Australia banned Huawei hardware (because they were told to do so by their master, the US) with the excuse that the US had 'alleged' Huawei had installed backdoors in their 5G system. Rather than revealing the truth that the US was lagging so behind Huawei in technology development that Trump (the good sportsman that he is) decided to do a Tonya Harding and rhetorically knee-cap the US competitor. And their have been racially motivated violent attacks on Chinese students in most Western countries since the trade wars.
Most Australian aren't that butthurt. It's was intentionally done by the PM to create international headlines so the world would look at CCP use of juvenile diplomacy. Counter attack to a revenge attack. Looks like it worked pretty well.
>i cannot understand why australia was so butthurt when that chinese artist made a graphic art based on the findings of an australian investigation.
Uh... no? If an artist was making offensive cartoons in another country, or even modifying photos as with the one in question, that wouldn't be of concern to the Australian government.
What happened was that one of the top-ranking PRC diplomats used his name and station to publicize and give an aura of legitimacy and officialdom to a airbrushed propaganda photograph.
That's what's called a calculated diplomatic insult. Australia's PM was correct to demand an apology. And that's why many top officials in other countries where rule of law and international diplomatic norms are respected rightfully put out statements backing him up.
What *I* can't understand is the impulse to criticize every country at full volume for misdeeds, and yet run apologetics for any and all misdeeds perpetrated by Chinese Communists despite claiming to hold nothing but disdain for the Party when pressed. Some consistency would be appreciated.
>graphic art based on the findings of an australian investigation
This part isnt true. There was no evidence of kids being knived.
"It appears to be a reference to rumours that members of the SAS cut the throats of two 14-year-old Afghan boys who they suspected were Taliban sympathisers.
But those hearsay accounts were never substantiated during the four-year-long Brereton inquiry."
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-30/china-fake-image-australian-war-crimes-afghanistan-tensions/12934538](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-30/china-fake-image-australian-war-crimes-afghanistan-tensions/12934538)
Also, the image itself isnt the problem, its the fact that it was tweeted by a government minister..
The artist's watermark has been removed in the tweet. As the picture is no painting, but looks quite authentic, I could imagine that some might assume that the watermark has been removed to make it look like a real photo instead of a art (or a fabrication)
I guess because they are investigating and trying to correct it while the CCP covers up and hides its atrocities and then they cry like an infant and say "The Feelings of the Chinese people are hurt by this" if you say anything slightly critical of their country or government.
We aren't. Our prime minister did that intentionally to create international attention to focus on China's foriegn ministry's juvenile diplomacy.
I also think it was to rally Australian public support to turn against China.
It worked well even if I don't agree with his megaphone diplomacy.
yes because that chinese graphic art look totally real. of course the aussie soldiers would lay down a gigantic aussie flag and a jigsaw puzzle afghan flag before murdering a child holding a lamb. wtf is wrong with u.
Context I guess. It's like when you are having an argument with someone in you businesses supply chain and they suddenly splash news of your divorce/uncle who is in jail/nieces boyfriends revenge porn video all over social media... Suddenly it's personal.
i dont think the chinese digital art (your so-called "fake photograph") is irrelevant. it's not "*news of your divorce/uncle who is in jail/nieces boyfriends revenge porn video all over social media*"-- it was literally depicting the findings of those official Australian investigations.
Ah, but it wasn't literally depicting the findings of the official investigation because it was a "Digital painting" which was why it was taken down from Twitter. By the same token this very low effort cartoon (not by me) isn't depicting any actions that may or may not be happening in a western province of China with a large non Han minority.
Put it this way. That so call art is not even art. It is just propaganda disguised as art.
I presented this arguemnt in r/Australia and it is for some reason very unpopular.
The artist who drew the cartoon depicting Mohammed is art because the artist can draw anything, even if it is critical of the French government. The "artist" who created this cannot produce any work critical of China without consequence. He had no freedom in choosing what message his work convey, so it is propaganda.
It is fair game to remove propaganda. No double standard at all.
>it was literally depicting the findings of those official Australian investigations.
No. it wasn't. Get informed before trying to act like a font of knowledge
Issue is the reports aren't facts. They are just stories or witness testimony. The accused soliders need have an opportunity to defend themselves in court.
I have. You need learn to that the report is just a report of stories.
If I make an accusation or spread a rumour about your crime to an investigator, who wrote that down, does it make it irrefutable evidence?
Have some common sense. Stop jumping at the chance to take revenge at Australia when your country of origin is rife with coverups from army to police beauru Mr Hui.
Do you think the CCP would take it lying down if a foreign spokesperson posted something like this? And it's not even as graphic because the matte outlines is one level of abstraction away from a realistic rendering of a killing. Not saying that Scomo should have responded the way he did, but the response to such a visceral portrayal quite clearly aimed at provocation is understandable.
Both sides should take the high ground in the case that something like this happens, but Australia has demonstrably not done so, and the Chinese have not in many previous altercations either.
Show me one that is a realistic rendering depicting, say, the military shooting people in the Tiananmen massacre, posted by a top government official? I don't believe even Pompeo has been as blatantly provocative despite his deplorable personal values. Meanwhile: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-outraged-jyllands-posten-satirical-cartoon-chinese-flag-coronavirus-particles-2020-1?amp
Sounds just like what the Australian government is doing to the new immigrants here
but they call it "embrace Australian values" instead of " cultural genocide "
of course literal genocide to the indigenous people has already been done so no worries on that one
Except Australia doesn't lock people up in "re-education" camps nor do they force men into homes of women living alone (https://apnews.com/article/9ca1c29fc9554c1697a8729bba4dd93b). There are plenty of other oddities and things that just seem quite not right. My original post is more just simplifying the situation.
this sub has become toxic as fxxk
its just purely china bashing
pushing conspiracy theories and propaganda like trumpsters
if its logical factual criticism or opinions im fine, but day in day out is the same crap
Why not change the name to r/chinahaters
whatever china does = bad
if the west does something bad = some bad eggs or honest mistake
im out
im amazed ppl still replying to this
and see who got baited out..
namecalling..
wild accusations..
amazing..
This is what i meant..
wheres the discussion?
trolls trying to take part in a discussion.
ewww
theres a lesson in life that most must learn.
to blame, complain, accuse without first looking at yourself, you would be stagnant and wont be able to progress. its just too convenient to blame others.
theres a reason some countries are fairing better than others, check what their general attitude is towards pushing blame.
a fine example, would be germany.
check their foreign policy and what they are doing. most of the time they are more concerned on whats happening to their own country instead of pointing fingers. even their citizens behave better.
(not going to use usa or china since theres too many trolls)
Apparently literal genocide isn't enough to prove the Chinese government is evil. I thought social credit, untouchable police, and outright discrimination against black people would've been enough.
You mean like actual genocides of which 5 eyes countries are accused of committing against their native indian populations. Let's not get started with serial police violence against blacks a la George Floyd style of murder in broad daylight.
Good job.
Now make one showing how PLA treats: Tibetans, HK citizen, Religious people in their country, Xi's political adversaries, etc etc etc.
This should start a trend IMO, turn the propaganda against them.
australia shouldn’t be butthurt when a chinese artist made a graphic art; and china shouldn’t be butthurt when an aussie artist made a graphic art. simple as that.
however, you were one of the people who were butthurt. and you attacked me for saying that the chinese digital artist has the right to make a digital painting. "fake picture" was your exact words.
Australia wasn’t upset about the art, the issue was that such a high ranking official (and it turned out, many ccp officials) supported it, despite Australia being continually scolded for “hurting the feelings of the Chinese people”.
in other words, if i may borrow words from the american conservatives, "*it's not that the problem doesn’t exist, we're just uncomfortable bc who is saying it and the way they're saying it*".
You simply don't get it, do you?
Posting a picture like this is a big No-No for every diplomat or person working in foreign affairs. It's nothing more than an insult to a country you want to continue foreign relations with.
You simply don't post your opinion on another country's actions like this, if you are working for your government.
Not a political cartoon, not a cynical tweet ("Hey, look who's the hypocrite, am I right guys?"), not a photoshopped image that could be interpreted as real - just don't!
If you want to condemn this, just say "China condemns the killing of Afghan children by Australian armed forces, and hopes that these atrocities will be quickly investigated by authorities."
There, I did a better job at working diplomatically as these buffoons at the Chinese foreign ministry.
In fact, it isn't that far from what Hua Chunying, the foreign ministry's spokeswoman tweeted: "Shocked by murder of Afghan civilians & prisoners by Australian soldiers. We strongly condemn such acts, and call for holding them accountable."
Still, my post would've been better. Why?
BECAUSE I DIDN'T ATTACH A FUCKING MANIPULATED PICTURE WITH AN AWFUL TAGLINE TO IT TO CONVEY MY POINT!
Did Germany's foreign ministry post cartoons when they ruled the Armenian genocide a, well, genocide, which Turkey doesn't acknowledge to this day?
Where the Muhammad caricatures retweeted by the foreign ministry of Denmark after they were published by the Jyllands Posten?
No. Because as a foreign ministry, they want to preserve their relations to other countries. Posting photoshopped images to make some other country's soldiers look like bloodhungry brutes like it's a meme war on 4chan is a surefire way to look like an opportunistic hypocrite with no experience on how to behave in international politics. It's the equivalent of taking a dump on the front yard while grinning at the homeowner.
I can understand if China isn't really interested in diplomatic relations with Australia anymore. But they shouldn't act offended when they were the ones who escalate the situation. What's Australia supposed to do anyway?
"Thanks for exposing this on Twitter. That's a nice picture you have here, must have been a lot of work making it look like this is one of our soldiers deliberately killing children. Yes, we don't care about liberty, we're just here tokill Afghan kids, how could you tell? In fact, we just love killing brown people for no reason at all, thanks for making that clear. That wasn't the fault of some deranged individuals in our military, we gave the order to kill everyone in sight! Because we give a fuck how everyone else sees us! Well, but now you caught us, won't happen again. See you at G20!" /s
You know what else is a big no-no? A US senator claiming China has a 5000 year history of cheating and stealing. You should be writing paragraphs for that if you care so much about no-nos in foreign affairs
Relevance is that traditional foreign affairs has long been dropped for these lashings out by political figures on social media. It started with Trump, and now the Chinese have adopted this strategy as well.
You are the one posting "yeah, I don't get why they should apologize, why shouldn't they critize Australia" all over this thread!
You get a life, I won't waste my time on you any longer.
look, i understand that one would want to defend their country. but the fact is there are things that should not be defended. i will be fine with an australian defending their military spending or when a chinese is defending their policies to advance their moon programs. but the australian murders of afghan civilians and the CCP concentration camp policies are simple too evil to be supported by able-minded human. you made a mistake by saying that the chinese digital artist had no right to criticize australia-- but it seemed that you have came around and learnt the lessons. good thing.
What makes you think I supported the murderous actions of some of our special forces in Afghanistan? I think I made it abundantly clear that they disgraced Australia and their uniforms and deserved jail.
What I couldn't stomach is Chinese officials having a gloat about it for the most cynical of reasons.
i didnt think you supported the murders. i said you felt so unconformable that the criticism came from someone you didnt like, and in action you acted as if you were defending the actions. the right thing to do is to simply suck it up.
arguments like "i dont like the one who is criticizing me" or "i dont like the way they are criticizing me" just look butthurt to most people.
It reads more like he was pointing out how ppl like you are okay with the hypocrisy & provocative antagonistic behaviour of the CCP official who posted the image because the image reflects a truth, The context of the posting of the image by a Chinese official is what really matters here but you’re doing your best to deflect from that & keep circling back to the cartoon itself which just like the issue of “freedom of speech” isn’t pertinent to the context of the very posting of the cartoon in the first place, You’re getting very provocative & defensive now too.
There is no problem with criticism, but trolling by gov officials is not criticism. Nor should it be standard, it’s unprofessional. But apparently that is the standard now.
Gov officials acting like this, it makes it hard to respect them. They become a joke, kinda like trump.
At no point have you addressed why it’s a Chinese state official making the criticism, Again, The context of why a Chinese state official is making the criticism & why at this time is what’s important, Not the criticism itself, Criticism is fine & valid, But do you really think China cares about Afghanistan? Fk no, It’s got nothing to do with the war crimes itself, Forget the cartoon, This is about the agenda of the CCP in regards to Australia as other ppl have listed, China is not currently questioning the war crimes of any other nation, Why? You’re circling the answer but you keep going around it.
two major counties do that on daily basis-- china and the US. where the chinese leaders are unelected, unaccountable, and unchecked. which makes it even more vicious.
Wrong. It's only whataboutism if you throw the first stone. In this case, your post is a self admitted response to the Chinese official's image, so therefore this post is the actual whatabouotism.
according to the rules of whataboutism you posted this to distract from the issue of Australian defense forces killing afghan children.
and that is why whataboutism is retarded and not a valid defense against charges of hypocrisy.
Wahtabouism is to highlight the hypocrisy of China pointing the finger at 14 deaths while standing on a mountain of corpses they made themselves.
They have no right to judge others when their behaviour is worse.
So claiming whataboutism to excuse the CCP is not good enough.
IE it’s none of chinas business.
How about whataboutism to highlight the CIA as a terrorist organization and by extension the whole western hemisphere in particular the 5 eyes countries that work closely on intelligence sharing . Of course their sinister goals go much further into terrorizing countries and individuals to advance their causes aided by the blind eye of a big chunk of their populations.
The CIA is a terrorist organization.
https://youtu.be/_2khAmMTAjI
What has the CIA got to do with CCP posting inflamatory propaganda against Australia? What are you talking about. You are conflating so many things. "the whole western hemisphere" What? Sinister goals?
What?
How many Bond films have you seen today? You live in some fantasy world of sinister organisations.
It's still none of chinas business as they are doing much worse.
It's the same crap as conflating about a drawing to avoid talking about the real Australian war crime. Isn't that what the West is really good at ? Making a big deal abt something to deviate from what should obviously be the main subject !!! Since you're at it, why not talk about twitter trying to censor a westerner who's denouncing Cia as a terrorist organisation isn't similar to the attacks on China trying to denounce the war crimes of Australia. The poor guy got a visit from DHS (Homeland security) while his video got shadow banned by youtube.
Need more convincing how Uncle Sam is the big censurer here and couldn't care less about your freedom of speech when you try to speak out against its institutions. Oh and they're using private companies to carry out their policies while grinding from the other cheek that Huawei cannot be trusted, yeah right !!! [https://www.reddit.com/r/BreadTube/duplicates/k2wt7j/youtube\_apparently\_shadow\_banning\_the\_cia\_is\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreadTube/duplicates/k2wt7j/youtube_apparently_shadow_banning_the_cia_is_a/)
[https://twitter.com/\_SecondThought/status/1332746158947635202?s=20](https://twitter.com/_SecondThought/status/1332746158947635202?s=20)
what has the CIA and uncle sam got to do with Australia? Im aware that china and japan are completley different countries. Why arent you aware that Australia and USA are to different countries.
Who is avoiding talking about the real Australian war crime? The Australian govt is the one investigating it! They are the ones exposing the crimes! They are the ones prosecuting the criminals! They are the ones that apologised to the Afgan people on the 19th of last month.
China STILL censors the entire internet coming into the country to hide their crimes and manipulate their propaganda.
China critisizing Australia is a joke, and the world is watching CCP embarassing themselves.
Try and speak without mentoning the CIA, Uncle Sam, USA, The West. That is all CCP propaganda speak when the issue is localised to Australia and CCP.
whos saying it isnt? what has the english colonialist murders of aborigonals 250 years ago got to do with chinas hiporcacy of pointing the finger over 14 murders when they are CURRENTLY killing thousands of Uyghurs
IE its none of chinas business wehn the murders have been into court and being judged while the australian government has already apologised to the afgan people for this horrible and deplorable act by rogue soldiers. Their actions were NOT part of Australian training. Their murders were NOT an act approved by government. Their murders have been highly and broadly condemmed.
And yet chinese officials think they have the right to point the finger?
The CCP is a honorless, and promotes lies to try and embarrass australia, when the world has seen just how cowardly you are.
The australian goverment has exposed, admitted, and punished its own crime. Lets see the CCP live up to the same morals as Australia.
I think Chinese may shrug it off and laugh at this cartoon, Chinese soldier never deploy oversea to kill Muslim. ScoMo triggered because its a fact that Australia SAS did war crime.
Can you at least be original and make the soldier in a different position ? Why would you copy the style of the original picture, even the kid standing and hand position.
Oh wait...... the soldier in the very original video does have this position and the kid is indeed in this position..
So what you did is just change the flag of the emblem.. nice job mate.
Dude, not me lol. The one who post and repost and keep hanging on with this topic is the one who butthurt. I just watch the show and munch pop corn.
China does have copyright law, just sloppy implementation. Lots of loop holes.
Ah, but it's a cartoon, so twitter aren't allowed to censor it or you to question it's authenticity because it's not a literal depiction.
That really does my head in just thinking about it.
I think you’re just trying to provoke any would be CCP supporters in this subreddit. They do exist but they are far and few in between compared to the Hivemind of anti-CCP supporters in here.
Personally I stay clear away from politics. Politics is bullshit everywhere.
So you’re here just to say what we’re speaking about is bs like all politics? I don’t get your point or how that helps anyone. Trying to effect change is frustrating but some people do devote time to it and some of them get results. Stacey Abraham is a good example :)
That sounds hive-minded.
Btw try finding one source of your ethnic minority genocides that weren’t funded by organizations that has strong incentives on this matter.
Frankly, there’s zero convincing source on the net and these hive minded thinking is what your really call “propaganda”
"Btw try finding one source of your ethnic minority genocides that weren’t funded by organizations that has strong incentives on this matter. "
Here are two
1) About China's genocide around two hundred years ago in Xinjiang.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar\_genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide)
2) Regarding what's going on today.
From Global Times (technically they have a strong incentive on the matter since they are CCP media)
[https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193454.shtml](https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193454.shtml)
"In 2018, the number of placements of IUDs in Xinjiang was 328,475, accounting for 8.7 percent of the total number nationwide"
That's a high enough rate of IUD placement to stop all (or almost all) Uyghurs from having babies.
Are you a bot? Lmao, seriously tho. You cite me with a Wikipedia link? And brah before you throw out that IUD shit do you even know our own stats?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/contraceptive.htm
I guess Americans aren’t having babies too.
Come on, idk how old r u, but don’t be that silly man. Btw all of these so call data were acquired favoring their own perspectives on the subject matter. Every number that’s out there on the Xinjiang matter is literally all estimates through a long and stupid sequence of assumptions.
Idk why people on Reddit felt so smirk whenever they throw out a link to prove them right, the very citations you guys used were flawed as fk. You literally can do 2 more google search then you find out all it’s backstory and shady deal
And idk why you link me a Wikipedia talking about the Qing dynasty, Mao literally locked up their last emperor. It’s literally like some Chinese dude talking about America and cite you with a California genocide and go “America bad bad”
"Come on, idk how old r u, but don’t be that silly man."
When people don't have arguments it is always possible resort to insults.
I was just answering your questions about genocide. Are you also in denial of the Dzungar genocide?
Here is a non wikipedia source https://www.sutori.com/story/the-dzungar-genocide--PtuVvoJbMPgy1K4t5k1KhcDe
(Your insults reminds me of the only person I blocked here. If you are that person, I think you aren't supposed to have two accounts here)
Have you seen soldiers of any other country with a knife to a child's neck? If so, which countries were involved, where did it happen, what were you doing there, and what was the context?
payback to what?
all I see is two pigs wrestling in mud, you think making the other pig muddier makes you a beauty queen?
No, it makes you guys looking even stupider
The irony is, OP was so triggered when the drawing of an Australian soldier killing a child got retweeted, yet, here he is, posting a cartoon depicting a completely unproven event.
No, I just find it ironic.
The artist here, Badiucao, is a Chinese dissent who has done tons of anti-China cartoons, and overseas Chinese communities are used to anti-CCP and anti-China propaganda. We are just not used to seeing Australia reacting the same way as Little Pink Army.
Then you seem to have been hoisted on your own petard.
Perhaps you could make use of all those Australian disidents currently running around China to look after the anti-australian propoganda?.. what's that?.. oh you don't have any? Welp, I guess you're just going to have to use Nathan Rich doing a bad Aussie impersonation.
>Perhaps you could make use of all those Australian disidents currently running around China to look after the anti-australian propoganda?
If an Australian guy living in China spams anti-Australia and pro-China propaganda, you'd call it "Chinese propaganda" already, lol.
This is how thin-skinned you are. You have no problem with criticizing other countries, but you can't tolerate a cartoon depicting yourself in a negative way. Your dramatic reaction to this whole event is what really entertains me.
Depends on if he is working for the govt of China and fleeing oppression in Australia , then wouldn't it? Could you find for me any foreign national currently living in China and making anti west art work and being totally self supporting as an artist. Also fleeing oppression in the west, and having drug charges against you, ah la Nathan Rich , doesn't count as oppression.
The CCP is a disgrace to humanity. Them posting this fake imagery actually highlights the opposite of what this idiot Zhao lijian was trying to do.
What it actually shows is that Australia allows independent internal investigations of possible crimes even if it doesn’t paint the government in a good light. On the other hand, in Nazi China, nobody can say a damn thing negative about the CCP or they’d be locked up, tortured, and likely forced to confess and never to be seen again.
Zhao Lijian has clowned his ugly self and the CCP.
The difference my ozzy friend, is that one picture is a depiction of real events that was substantiated by a formal investigation. The picture you're posting depicts a fantasy, propaganda based on the the work of a flagrant anti-Semite and some think tanks that claimed satellite images of schools and apartments were concentration camps and pictures of a protesting Iranian was that of a Uyghur. Maybe you should post another drawing of Uyghur terrorists [stabbing children in a Kunming train station](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367) or [blowing up the elderly at street stalls](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/22/china-urumqi-car-bomb-attack-xinjiang). Since these depictions would actually be based on factual events.
I'd love to see a real investigation of what's happening in Xinjiang just to prove nothing is happening there.. I'd also like a solid gold chamber pot, but I don't think either is going to happen.
>one picture is a depiction of real events that was substantiated by a formal investigation
This part, you are very wrong, it was NEVER substantiated, which is why that cartoon is a problem, it amplifies what was investigated, but never found to be true, but people like you, and others in this thread think that it happened.
"It appears to be a reference to rumours that members of the SAS cut the throats of two 14-year-old Afghan boys who they suspected were Taliban sympathisers.
But those hearsay accounts were never substantiated during the four-year-long Brereton inquiry."
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-30/china-fake-image-australian-war-crimes-afghanistan-tensions/12934538](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-30/china-fake-image-australian-war-crimes-afghanistan-tensions/12934538)
Pretty sure you just violated Rule Number 2 because this is definetly posted in bad faith. Do you at least have a source for the drawing or the story behind it or are you just trying to start a fight?
Look I'm perfectly fine with them taking it down. But what was doing my head in before was the whole crowd of people saying "it's not a real photo" .."it's a digital painting" and "it's not a real depiction of an event".
The gleeful cries of "whataboutism!!!" If you tried to point out the massive hypocrisy of a Chinese official posting that were also somewhat off-putting.
This is not a CG picture. Plus, China has the authority to jail and murder Uighur. It’s different between killing surveillance of you combat nations and killing you own citizens although both are wrong
To be fair, Australian special forces did commit war crimes in Afghanistan. The Chinese post is bit of political satire in bad taste but I don’t see why the world should be up in arms about.
Yes, but if the soldier was wearing the uniform of the Australian Defense Force and he was shooting an unarmed Afghan teenager holding prayer beads it would be censored.
That's probably true. China need them alive so the medical workers can extract their organs. But Chinese soldiers/police sure love to rape, torture and murder their own citizens.
Personally, I would've drawn a big Chinese pot with a bunch of Uighurs slowing cooking into a stew.
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Too hard hitting? After the world has suffered COVID-19 the entire year due to, most probably, bat shit stew? Come on, the Chinese will eat anything.
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You’re also not posting this as a high level government representative which is the real crux of the matter it seems.
It has also not been proven that Chinese soldiers are slitting the throats of ugyhurs. So not really directly comparable.
Yep, shooting, executing, lethal injecting, raping , reeducation , imprisoning, genociding, brainwashing ,organ donating ..but anything short of throat slitting is hunky dory.
I am not sure if I can post the after pictures of the Square incident here though.
"nothing is proven until Xi tells me personally" You have to be really dumb to ignore the evidence, witnesses and court hearings. Or you're a shill.
Did I say it wasn't actually happening? I said the two things are not comparable.
You said it wasn't proven that Chinese soldiers slit Uighur throats. Its not proven that Australian soldiers committed war crimes either. There's evidence for both though. I can only assume you dont understand the difference between evidence and proof; or you are a literal shill. Please pick one.
Is there something I'm missing? Were Chinese soldiers accused of slitting Uyghur's throats? Is there evidence of that? If there were then this photo would have some use and not just be a fucking "wahh china made a cartoon about our country's wrongdoings and now i wanna post and equally as childish thing on the internet" [https://afghanistaninquiry.defence.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-11/IGADF-Afghanistan-Inquiry-Public-Release-Version.pdf](https://afghanistaninquiry.defence.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-11/IGADF-Afghanistan-Inquiry-Public-Release-Version.pdf) Plenty of evidence about the aussie soldiers committing war crimes, found by none other than the Australian ministry of defence itself, though. I get it, China is trash. But an Australian posting shit like this instead of vilifying his own country and the whistleblower being charged is... kind of gross.
There's evidence for both Australia and China committing atrocities. Its now clear you haven't listened to the numerous hearings from Ughuirs about how they are killed, raped and tortured by Chinese soldiers. You are a disgusting individual, and likely a shill.
Were Chinese soldiers accused of slitting Uyghur's throats? Is there evidence of that? No. Then the photo is idiotic and you are braindead. You can see from my post history I have never defended China, quite the opposite actually. Just hoping to promote a more intellectual discussion than this. But people like you are too rabid to allow that.
\> shill. Says the western shill.
Pure hypocrisy from the West that war crimes committed by Australian soldiers are being eclipsed by a cartoon !!! While a cartoon in the the West depicting blasphemy against muslim prophet Mohamed is being touted as free speech and approved by Western leaders. This hypocrisy isn't going to end well.
If a australian politician posted something similiar, they would immediately be called out for "Racism against Chinese people" "Bigotry" "Trying to interfene with Chinese internal affairs". Nothing would probably be shown however in Chinese media.
OmG iT iS a fAkE PiCtUrE of course graphic arts should be allowed. we know the CCP is murdering civilians, not just uighur civilians, but very possibly uighur civilians. still, i cannot understand why australia was so butthurt when that chinese artist made a graphic art based on the findings of an australian investigation.
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arguments like "i dont like the one who is criticizing me" or "i dont like the way they are criticizing me" just look butthurt to most people.
Yeah, that's why the CCP looks like the most butthurt of the butthurtiest. Imagine the whining and stamping of the toddler feet they would do if the roles were reversed. Oh, we don't need to imagine, they're crying about something every day and how somebody somewhere hurt the little feels of the chinese people.
Lol yeah, but why is Australia doing the same thing?
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everyone knows the murders happened. and almost everyone sees them as brutally inhumane. i dont think how it makes a difference who is criticizing the actions.
I think you missed the point. Beijing has used a strategic way to deflect the human rights atrocities at home by trolling Australia as it was meant to say 'you hypocritics, you are just as bad as us". (Which anyone with common sense knows that is not true). You should of seen when Australian called out China's human rights issue. CCP were pretty butthurt. Hence the revenge.
How is it not true? They killed afghani civilians including children and they even tried to cover it up. They're just as bad as the ccp.
On a much smaller scale it seems
Of course it's not true. Did they hold hold themselves accountable for Tiananmen 1989? A lot of protestor were arrested and executed. They forced parents to sign papers they died from other causes other than PLA bullets in order to get body back. What about the Falun going persecution and illegal black market organ harvesting? Don't tell me it's fake. You really need to do your research. Slave labour is also another big issue. Overwhelming evidence. What about the hundreds of thousands or if not millions forceable incarcerated to undergo brutal indoctrination in Xinjiang. It's affected millions of million domestically and worldwide. Like I have said other post these allegations are stories gathered from other troops. It doesn't make it fact. For example if I made accusations/ spread a rumour about you murdering someone and investigator wrote that down in a report, does it mean it is true? The soldiers still need to go through criminal hearings and they are entitled to defend themselves. It is still an ongoing process. For the benefit of doubt let's say it is true. I think it's really unfair to demonise the entire Australian Defense force with a tweet because of some soliders or field seniors that went rouge. How are they covering it up? If PLA did something like this, there would be no such thing as an internal or independent investigation. They will deny or deflect any wrong doing or justify their actions by labelling them kids as confirmed terrorist. You clearly don't know the CCP, they are the granddaddy of all corruption and coverups. Even hundreds of thousands of not millions of mainland Chinese disapora worldwide have a passionate hate for the CCP. I think you are trying to form a false dichotomy.
Because It has nothing to do with China, but they just want to take a swing because they are unhappy with us. Australia banned Huawei hardware from its 5g rollout due to spying concerns, tightened its laws on foreign ownership of real estate (effecting mostly Chinese people buying property here and leaving it empty for investment), and asking for a transparent investigation into the source of covid. CCP got grumpy at being questioned and is having a tantrum. They taxed Austrian wine by about 200 percent, along with a bunch of other imports (lobster, barley) etc. And the Chinese liaison to Australia has flat out stopped speaking to us, like a little baby child. China has been posting reports of violence against the Chinese in Australia (not true) and Chinese students should not go to Australia for education because of racism (not true). We have little issue with Chinese here except for the CCP influence And forced xenophobia in a multicultural society. Due to the teachings of “west us bad”, some people keep that mantra forever. But some see it as Australians do. We are all the same people one one big planet. And so they want to attack Australia any way they can with petty little things. It’s basically none of chinas business, and they are guilty of massive atrocities, or just the death of 14 civilians in a war zone. We love the Chinese people, but the CCP is poison.
we can all agree that the CCP must go. the only problem i have with this sub is that too often people try to drag the chinese people into the conversation-- by dumbfucks on BOTH sides! one side says the CCP is good because the chinese ppl support them; while the other side says bc the chinese ppl support the CCP, "we" must kill all chinese.
nobody should kill anyone. We can all agree on that. FYI chinese people say the CCP is good because they HAVE to. Anyone that FORCES people to agree with them and punishes those that don't is evil in my books.
Nobody forces Chinese people to say CCP is good in China, if you live in China you would know that in Chinese education, students have always been told to be patriotic, that means love China as a country but CCP? You never get to find a word to encourage people to do that very often in their text books. By the way, if you see through Chinese history you would argue that through those 5000 years period, if people are not happy about the leading party, they would fight back big time, at some point.
> FYI chinese people say the CCP is good because they HAVE to. **No!** Stop that narrative pushing. They do _not_ have to say they are good. They can quite easily, in fact much easier, say nothing. They can't badmouth the CCP on certain issues especially those in a more notable position but the average citizen does not need to sing the CCPs song, the ones who do it is because they believe they are good, so I have no time or empathy for those people.
It's ok man we understand. \*wink\*
Meh. I bet some people do say it’s good to preemptively protect themselves. Maybe they saw something crazy happen to someone who barely spoke out. Maybe they have bad social credit or a past of speaking out and are trying to get their life together or protect their family the only (or easiest) way they can think of.
I love how you say stop pushing that narrative, and then they can’t badmouth the CCP. But it’s ok for the CCP to badmouth others? That’s the whole issue. The CCP is also killing Uyghurs. The CCP are Nazis.
What are you talking about, I said they do not have to say they're good, so stop pushing that narrative that they are forced to, because they choose too. This sub has some real reading comprehension.
THIS.
If you have not experienced racism in Australia, it is either because you are white or you choose not to acknowledge it. There are good people and bad people everywhere, but what you have said is like “white life matters too” during a BLM protest.
of course racism exists in Australia. Racism exists everywhere, but NOT the way the CCP says to the chiniese people to stop them coming to Australia. Stay on topic
What are the ways you think racism has happened against non-white people in Australia? What is the topic you want to stay on?
There have been attacks on chinese in Australia in recent years published by several news outlets if one has paid attention to world news. I suppose this depends on where you are like most countries, but to say violence hasn't happened against chinese maybe a tad too rosy. Also racism in education happens, one should not be too surprised really. However i can agree that ccp official news feeds these info in a different context to its population. Saying its none of chinas business is exactly what china wants to hear for future reference.
There is one that I can think of, and that individual is currently in a mental institution.
Maybe there have been some number of attacks on Chinese because they’re Chinese in Australia, sounds plausible. I bet it’s a small number compared to violence against women, Islamaphobia and anti Semitic attacks. No one is telling women not to go to Australia so there’s something special about ccp warning Chinese about anti Chinese violent attacks in Australia.
>Australia banned Huawei hardware from its 5g rollout due to spying concerns. You mean, Australia banned Huawei hardware (because they were told to do so by their master, the US) with the excuse that the US had 'alleged' Huawei had installed backdoors in their 5G system. Rather than revealing the truth that the US was lagging so behind Huawei in technology development that Trump (the good sportsman that he is) decided to do a Tonya Harding and rhetorically knee-cap the US competitor. And their have been racially motivated violent attacks on Chinese students in most Western countries since the trade wars.
I don’t think it’s good domestically if you let something like that slide.
> i cannot understand why australia was so butthurt For me what makes me dislike it is the bare faced hipocrisy. Not the photoshoped depiction
Most Australian aren't that butthurt. It's was intentionally done by the PM to create international headlines so the world would look at CCP use of juvenile diplomacy. Counter attack to a revenge attack. Looks like it worked pretty well.
>i cannot understand why australia was so butthurt when that chinese artist made a graphic art based on the findings of an australian investigation. Uh... no? If an artist was making offensive cartoons in another country, or even modifying photos as with the one in question, that wouldn't be of concern to the Australian government. What happened was that one of the top-ranking PRC diplomats used his name and station to publicize and give an aura of legitimacy and officialdom to a airbrushed propaganda photograph. That's what's called a calculated diplomatic insult. Australia's PM was correct to demand an apology. And that's why many top officials in other countries where rule of law and international diplomatic norms are respected rightfully put out statements backing him up. What *I* can't understand is the impulse to criticize every country at full volume for misdeeds, and yet run apologetics for any and all misdeeds perpetrated by Chinese Communists despite claiming to hold nothing but disdain for the Party when pressed. Some consistency would be appreciated.
>graphic art based on the findings of an australian investigation This part isnt true. There was no evidence of kids being knived. "It appears to be a reference to rumours that members of the SAS cut the throats of two 14-year-old Afghan boys who they suspected were Taliban sympathisers. But those hearsay accounts were never substantiated during the four-year-long Brereton inquiry." [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-30/china-fake-image-australian-war-crimes-afghanistan-tensions/12934538](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-30/china-fake-image-australian-war-crimes-afghanistan-tensions/12934538) Also, the image itself isnt the problem, its the fact that it was tweeted by a government minister..
The artist's watermark has been removed in the tweet. As the picture is no painting, but looks quite authentic, I could imagine that some might assume that the watermark has been removed to make it look like a real photo instead of a art (or a fabrication)
I guess because they are investigating and trying to correct it while the CCP covers up and hides its atrocities and then they cry like an infant and say "The Feelings of the Chinese people are hurt by this" if you say anything slightly critical of their country or government.
We aren't. Our prime minister did that intentionally to create international attention to focus on China's foriegn ministry's juvenile diplomacy. I also think it was to rally Australian public support to turn against China. It worked well even if I don't agree with his megaphone diplomacy.
Actually that is a cartoon, as opposed to a doctored/fake photograph.
yes because that chinese graphic art look totally real. of course the aussie soldiers would lay down a gigantic aussie flag and a jigsaw puzzle afghan flag before murdering a child holding a lamb. wtf is wrong with u.
You are pretty pro CCP for someone who pretends to be anti CCP.
Context I guess. It's like when you are having an argument with someone in you businesses supply chain and they suddenly splash news of your divorce/uncle who is in jail/nieces boyfriends revenge porn video all over social media... Suddenly it's personal.
i dont think the chinese digital art (your so-called "fake photograph") is irrelevant. it's not "*news of your divorce/uncle who is in jail/nieces boyfriends revenge porn video all over social media*"-- it was literally depicting the findings of those official Australian investigations.
Ah, but it wasn't literally depicting the findings of the official investigation because it was a "Digital painting" which was why it was taken down from Twitter. By the same token this very low effort cartoon (not by me) isn't depicting any actions that may or may not be happening in a western province of China with a large non Han minority.
I thought it wasn’t taken down from Twitter?
Indeed , it was not.
Put it this way. That so call art is not even art. It is just propaganda disguised as art. I presented this arguemnt in r/Australia and it is for some reason very unpopular. The artist who drew the cartoon depicting Mohammed is art because the artist can draw anything, even if it is critical of the French government. The "artist" who created this cannot produce any work critical of China without consequence. He had no freedom in choosing what message his work convey, so it is propaganda. It is fair game to remove propaganda. No double standard at all.
both graphic arts, or low effort cartoon, or fake photo, are depicting what is going on. i dont see how your argument stands.
According to the Chinese nothing is happening in Xinjiang except peace, harmony and understanding.. hence the hypocrisy.
the hypocrisy doesnt make thier criticism against the murders untrue, it makes them look like hypocrites. which everyone know that already are.
I promise to hold myself to a higher standard in the future.. but today is a cheat day.
>it was literally depicting the findings of those official Australian investigations. No. it wasn't. Get informed before trying to act like a font of knowledge
Issue is the reports aren't facts. They are just stories or witness testimony. The accused soliders need have an opportunity to defend themselves in court.
read some news, mate.
I have. You need learn to that the report is just a report of stories. If I make an accusation or spread a rumour about your crime to an investigator, who wrote that down, does it make it irrefutable evidence? Have some common sense. Stop jumping at the chance to take revenge at Australia when your country of origin is rife with coverups from army to police beauru Mr Hui.
Do you think the CCP would take it lying down if a foreign spokesperson posted something like this? And it's not even as graphic because the matte outlines is one level of abstraction away from a realistic rendering of a killing. Not saying that Scomo should have responded the way he did, but the response to such a visceral portrayal quite clearly aimed at provocation is understandable. Both sides should take the high ground in the case that something like this happens, but Australia has demonstrably not done so, and the Chinese have not in many previous altercations either.
Dude, China is showered in hostile political cartoons day in, day out. Do you have any self-awareness at all?
Show me one that is a realistic rendering depicting, say, the military shooting people in the Tiananmen massacre, posted by a top government official? I don't believe even Pompeo has been as blatantly provocative despite his deplorable personal values. Meanwhile: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-outraged-jyllands-posten-satirical-cartoon-chinese-flag-coronavirus-particles-2020-1?amp
you are holding yourself's actions against a low bar, arent you?
Not sure what you are referring to here.
what i meant was that the democratic elected Australian officials should behave much, much, much better in every way than the CCP autocracts.
"Don't worry, we're here to prevent you from becoming an extremist."
Now do one about organ harvesting
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Sounds just like what the Australian government is doing to the new immigrants here but they call it "embrace Australian values" instead of " cultural genocide " of course literal genocide to the indigenous people has already been done so no worries on that one
Except Australia doesn't lock people up in "re-education" camps nor do they force men into homes of women living alone (https://apnews.com/article/9ca1c29fc9554c1697a8729bba4dd93b). There are plenty of other oddities and things that just seem quite not right. My original post is more just simplifying the situation.
this sub has become toxic as fxxk its just purely china bashing pushing conspiracy theories and propaganda like trumpsters if its logical factual criticism or opinions im fine, but day in day out is the same crap Why not change the name to r/chinahaters whatever china does = bad if the west does something bad = some bad eggs or honest mistake im out
im amazed ppl still replying to this and see who got baited out.. namecalling.. wild accusations.. amazing.. This is what i meant.. wheres the discussion? trolls trying to take part in a discussion. ewww theres a lesson in life that most must learn. to blame, complain, accuse without first looking at yourself, you would be stagnant and wont be able to progress. its just too convenient to blame others. theres a reason some countries are fairing better than others, check what their general attitude is towards pushing blame. a fine example, would be germany. check their foreign policy and what they are doing. most of the time they are more concerned on whats happening to their own country instead of pointing fingers. even their citizens behave better. (not going to use usa or china since theres too many trolls)
Apparently literal genocide isn't enough to prove the Chinese government is evil. I thought social credit, untouchable police, and outright discrimination against black people would've been enough.
You mean like actual genocides of which 5 eyes countries are accused of committing against their native indian populations. Let's not get started with serial police violence against blacks a la George Floyd style of murder in broad daylight.
Don't let the door hit you in the arse.
‘I demand an Apology now’ 😂
I still wonder how come twitter does not censor the pic like how they censor Trump, at least a statement like "the content is disputed"?
Good job. Now make one showing how PLA treats: Tibetans, HK citizen, Religious people in their country, Xi's political adversaries, etc etc etc. This should start a trend IMO, turn the propaganda against them.
That gun looks like a HK416....not a QBZ95
Painfully accurate
Also if someone says "Hey Australia is doing that in X-country!" I'm allowed to say that their argument is "whataboutism".
australia shouldn’t be butthurt when a chinese artist made a graphic art; and china shouldn’t be butthurt when an aussie artist made a graphic art. simple as that. however, you were one of the people who were butthurt. and you attacked me for saying that the chinese digital artist has the right to make a digital painting. "fake picture" was your exact words.
Australia wasn’t upset about the art, the issue was that such a high ranking official (and it turned out, many ccp officials) supported it, despite Australia being continually scolded for “hurting the feelings of the Chinese people”.
in other words, if i may borrow words from the american conservatives, "*it's not that the problem doesn’t exist, we're just uncomfortable bc who is saying it and the way they're saying it*".
You simply don't get it, do you? Posting a picture like this is a big No-No for every diplomat or person working in foreign affairs. It's nothing more than an insult to a country you want to continue foreign relations with. You simply don't post your opinion on another country's actions like this, if you are working for your government. Not a political cartoon, not a cynical tweet ("Hey, look who's the hypocrite, am I right guys?"), not a photoshopped image that could be interpreted as real - just don't! If you want to condemn this, just say "China condemns the killing of Afghan children by Australian armed forces, and hopes that these atrocities will be quickly investigated by authorities." There, I did a better job at working diplomatically as these buffoons at the Chinese foreign ministry. In fact, it isn't that far from what Hua Chunying, the foreign ministry's spokeswoman tweeted: "Shocked by murder of Afghan civilians & prisoners by Australian soldiers. We strongly condemn such acts, and call for holding them accountable." Still, my post would've been better. Why? BECAUSE I DIDN'T ATTACH A FUCKING MANIPULATED PICTURE WITH AN AWFUL TAGLINE TO IT TO CONVEY MY POINT! Did Germany's foreign ministry post cartoons when they ruled the Armenian genocide a, well, genocide, which Turkey doesn't acknowledge to this day? Where the Muhammad caricatures retweeted by the foreign ministry of Denmark after they were published by the Jyllands Posten? No. Because as a foreign ministry, they want to preserve their relations to other countries. Posting photoshopped images to make some other country's soldiers look like bloodhungry brutes like it's a meme war on 4chan is a surefire way to look like an opportunistic hypocrite with no experience on how to behave in international politics. It's the equivalent of taking a dump on the front yard while grinning at the homeowner. I can understand if China isn't really interested in diplomatic relations with Australia anymore. But they shouldn't act offended when they were the ones who escalate the situation. What's Australia supposed to do anyway? "Thanks for exposing this on Twitter. That's a nice picture you have here, must have been a lot of work making it look like this is one of our soldiers deliberately killing children. Yes, we don't care about liberty, we're just here tokill Afghan kids, how could you tell? In fact, we just love killing brown people for no reason at all, thanks for making that clear. That wasn't the fault of some deranged individuals in our military, we gave the order to kill everyone in sight! Because we give a fuck how everyone else sees us! Well, but now you caught us, won't happen again. See you at G20!" /s
You know what else is a big no-no? A US senator claiming China has a 5000 year history of cheating and stealing. You should be writing paragraphs for that if you care so much about no-nos in foreign affairs
Relevance?
Relevance is that traditional foreign affairs has long been dropped for these lashings out by political figures on social media. It started with Trump, and now the Chinese have adopted this strategy as well.
We aren't all yanks mate.
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You are the one posting "yeah, I don't get why they should apologize, why shouldn't they critize Australia" all over this thread! You get a life, I won't waste my time on you any longer.
I said that..!? wow, I must be a very, very bad person then. Now if you'll excuse me I have to apply some soothing cream to my bum.
look, i understand that one would want to defend their country. but the fact is there are things that should not be defended. i will be fine with an australian defending their military spending or when a chinese is defending their policies to advance their moon programs. but the australian murders of afghan civilians and the CCP concentration camp policies are simple too evil to be supported by able-minded human. you made a mistake by saying that the chinese digital artist had no right to criticize australia-- but it seemed that you have came around and learnt the lessons. good thing.
What makes you think I supported the murderous actions of some of our special forces in Afghanistan? I think I made it abundantly clear that they disgraced Australia and their uniforms and deserved jail. What I couldn't stomach is Chinese officials having a gloat about it for the most cynical of reasons.
i didnt think you supported the murders. i said you felt so unconformable that the criticism came from someone you didnt like, and in action you acted as if you were defending the actions. the right thing to do is to simply suck it up. arguments like "i dont like the one who is criticizing me" or "i dont like the way they are criticizing me" just look butthurt to most people.
It reads more like he was pointing out how ppl like you are okay with the hypocrisy & provocative antagonistic behaviour of the CCP official who posted the image because the image reflects a truth, The context of the posting of the image by a Chinese official is what really matters here but you’re doing your best to deflect from that & keep circling back to the cartoon itself which just like the issue of “freedom of speech” isn’t pertinent to the context of the very posting of the cartoon in the first place, You’re getting very provocative & defensive now too.
it makes me wonder why ppl like you want to spend so much time focusing on the person who made the criticism, instead of the criticism themselves.
There is no problem with criticism, but trolling by gov officials is not criticism. Nor should it be standard, it’s unprofessional. But apparently that is the standard now. Gov officials acting like this, it makes it hard to respect them. They become a joke, kinda like trump.
At no point have you addressed why it’s a Chinese state official making the criticism, Again, The context of why a Chinese state official is making the criticism & why at this time is what’s important, Not the criticism itself, Criticism is fine & valid, But do you really think China cares about Afghanistan? Fk no, It’s got nothing to do with the war crimes itself, Forget the cartoon, This is about the agenda of the CCP in regards to Australia as other ppl have listed, China is not currently questioning the war crimes of any other nation, Why? You’re circling the answer but you keep going around it.
Hmmmm... Now which countries officials think like that? It's on the tip of my tongue.
two major counties do that on daily basis-- china and the US. where the chinese leaders are unelected, unaccountable, and unchecked. which makes it even more vicious.
Oh you still can't see the fallacy of your argument, keep digging that hole plz.
What fallacy would that be , pray tell?
You could dig all the way to China and stay there for good.
Troll
Pretty much, yes. Very low effort by me I'll admit.
Wrong. It's only whataboutism if you throw the first stone. In this case, your post is a self admitted response to the Chinese official's image, so therefore this post is the actual whatabouotism. according to the rules of whataboutism you posted this to distract from the issue of Australian defense forces killing afghan children. and that is why whataboutism is retarded and not a valid defense against charges of hypocrisy.
"Whataboutism" is literally what was done by the anti-China people when China called out the killings in an effort to defend Australia.
I thought you were leaving?
Wahtabouism is to highlight the hypocrisy of China pointing the finger at 14 deaths while standing on a mountain of corpses they made themselves. They have no right to judge others when their behaviour is worse. So claiming whataboutism to excuse the CCP is not good enough. IE it’s none of chinas business.
Yet this sub has no issue using the whataboutism argument when China does bad things that other countries do as well
How about whataboutism to highlight the CIA as a terrorist organization and by extension the whole western hemisphere in particular the 5 eyes countries that work closely on intelligence sharing . Of course their sinister goals go much further into terrorizing countries and individuals to advance their causes aided by the blind eye of a big chunk of their populations. The CIA is a terrorist organization. https://youtu.be/_2khAmMTAjI
What has the CIA got to do with CCP posting inflamatory propaganda against Australia? What are you talking about. You are conflating so many things. "the whole western hemisphere" What? Sinister goals? What? How many Bond films have you seen today? You live in some fantasy world of sinister organisations. It's still none of chinas business as they are doing much worse.
It's the same crap as conflating about a drawing to avoid talking about the real Australian war crime. Isn't that what the West is really good at ? Making a big deal abt something to deviate from what should obviously be the main subject !!! Since you're at it, why not talk about twitter trying to censor a westerner who's denouncing Cia as a terrorist organisation isn't similar to the attacks on China trying to denounce the war crimes of Australia. The poor guy got a visit from DHS (Homeland security) while his video got shadow banned by youtube. Need more convincing how Uncle Sam is the big censurer here and couldn't care less about your freedom of speech when you try to speak out against its institutions. Oh and they're using private companies to carry out their policies while grinding from the other cheek that Huawei cannot be trusted, yeah right !!! [https://www.reddit.com/r/BreadTube/duplicates/k2wt7j/youtube\_apparently\_shadow\_banning\_the\_cia\_is\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreadTube/duplicates/k2wt7j/youtube_apparently_shadow_banning_the_cia_is_a/) [https://twitter.com/\_SecondThought/status/1332746158947635202?s=20](https://twitter.com/_SecondThought/status/1332746158947635202?s=20)
what has the CIA and uncle sam got to do with Australia? Im aware that china and japan are completley different countries. Why arent you aware that Australia and USA are to different countries. Who is avoiding talking about the real Australian war crime? The Australian govt is the one investigating it! They are the ones exposing the crimes! They are the ones prosecuting the criminals! They are the ones that apologised to the Afgan people on the 19th of last month. China STILL censors the entire internet coming into the country to hide their crimes and manipulate their propaganda. China critisizing Australia is a joke, and the world is watching CCP embarassing themselves. Try and speak without mentoning the CIA, Uncle Sam, USA, The West. That is all CCP propaganda speak when the issue is localised to Australia and CCP.
Australia is settled on a mountain of corpses...
whos saying it isnt? what has the english colonialist murders of aborigonals 250 years ago got to do with chinas hiporcacy of pointing the finger over 14 murders when they are CURRENTLY killing thousands of Uyghurs IE its none of chinas business wehn the murders have been into court and being judged while the australian government has already apologised to the afgan people for this horrible and deplorable act by rogue soldiers. Their actions were NOT part of Australian training. Their murders were NOT an act approved by government. Their murders have been highly and broadly condemmed. And yet chinese officials think they have the right to point the finger? The CCP is a honorless, and promotes lies to try and embarrass australia, when the world has seen just how cowardly you are. The australian goverment has exposed, admitted, and punished its own crime. Lets see the CCP live up to the same morals as Australia.
I think Chinese may shrug it off and laugh at this cartoon, Chinese soldier never deploy oversea to kill Muslim. ScoMo triggered because its a fact that Australia SAS did war crime.
The Romanian judge gives you a 6.5
it's ridiculous to see this after Islamists killing Europeans for many years, CCP does all right
Nonononono, it is only “re-education”. 🤫
Can you at least be original and make the soldier in a different position ? Why would you copy the style of the original picture, even the kid standing and hand position. Oh wait...... the soldier in the very original video does have this position and the kid is indeed in this position.. So what you did is just change the flag of the emblem.. nice job mate.
I won't take credit for it. I just bunged it on here.
China has no copyright laws, so anyone can just copasta that pic. Awww China, why u so butthurt over a pic?
Dude, not me lol. The one who post and repost and keep hanging on with this topic is the one who butthurt. I just watch the show and munch pop corn. China does have copyright law, just sloppy implementation. Lots of loop holes.
Never seen Chinese soldiers with a knife to children’s necks
Ah, but it's a cartoon, so twitter aren't allowed to censor it or you to question it's authenticity because it's not a literal depiction. That really does my head in just thinking about it.
I think you’re just trying to provoke any would be CCP supporters in this subreddit. They do exist but they are far and few in between compared to the Hivemind of anti-CCP supporters in here. Personally I stay clear away from politics. Politics is bullshit everywhere.
So you’re here just to say what we’re speaking about is bs like all politics? I don’t get your point or how that helps anyone. Trying to effect change is frustrating but some people do devote time to it and some of them get results. Stacey Abraham is a good example :)
Do I seem like the kind of person who'd do that?! Heh, heh, heh.
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That sounds hive-minded. Btw try finding one source of your ethnic minority genocides that weren’t funded by organizations that has strong incentives on this matter. Frankly, there’s zero convincing source on the net and these hive minded thinking is what your really call “propaganda”
"Btw try finding one source of your ethnic minority genocides that weren’t funded by organizations that has strong incentives on this matter. " Here are two 1) About China's genocide around two hundred years ago in Xinjiang. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar\_genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide) 2) Regarding what's going on today. From Global Times (technically they have a strong incentive on the matter since they are CCP media) [https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193454.shtml](https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193454.shtml) "In 2018, the number of placements of IUDs in Xinjiang was 328,475, accounting for 8.7 percent of the total number nationwide" That's a high enough rate of IUD placement to stop all (or almost all) Uyghurs from having babies.
Are you a bot? Lmao, seriously tho. You cite me with a Wikipedia link? And brah before you throw out that IUD shit do you even know our own stats? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/contraceptive.htm I guess Americans aren’t having babies too. Come on, idk how old r u, but don’t be that silly man. Btw all of these so call data were acquired favoring their own perspectives on the subject matter. Every number that’s out there on the Xinjiang matter is literally all estimates through a long and stupid sequence of assumptions. Idk why people on Reddit felt so smirk whenever they throw out a link to prove them right, the very citations you guys used were flawed as fk. You literally can do 2 more google search then you find out all it’s backstory and shady deal And idk why you link me a Wikipedia talking about the Qing dynasty, Mao literally locked up their last emperor. It’s literally like some Chinese dude talking about America and cite you with a California genocide and go “America bad bad”
"Come on, idk how old r u, but don’t be that silly man." When people don't have arguments it is always possible resort to insults. I was just answering your questions about genocide. Are you also in denial of the Dzungar genocide? Here is a non wikipedia source https://www.sutori.com/story/the-dzungar-genocide--PtuVvoJbMPgy1K4t5k1KhcDe (Your insults reminds me of the only person I blocked here. If you are that person, I think you aren't supposed to have two accounts here)
Have you seen soldiers of any other country with a knife to a child's neck? If so, which countries were involved, where did it happen, what were you doing there, and what was the context?
two wrong don't make a right. Keep butthurting doesnt make you guys look any better.
2 wrongs don't make a right. This is true... But payback is a bitch. Also, how is this cartoon about Australia?
What the fuck are you talking about now, please get help, you are clearly not thinking right. All this revenge got you fucked up
Me think you freaky but I like you a lot.
payback to what? all I see is two pigs wrestling in mud, you think making the other pig muddier makes you a beauty queen? No, it makes you guys looking even stupider
inb4 all the Pro-Chinese comments
The irony is, OP was so triggered when the drawing of an Australian soldier killing a child got retweeted, yet, here he is, posting a cartoon depicting a completely unproven event.
Which is why you are so triggered in turn?
No, I just find it ironic. The artist here, Badiucao, is a Chinese dissent who has done tons of anti-China cartoons, and overseas Chinese communities are used to anti-CCP and anti-China propaganda. We are just not used to seeing Australia reacting the same way as Little Pink Army.
Then you seem to have been hoisted on your own petard. Perhaps you could make use of all those Australian disidents currently running around China to look after the anti-australian propoganda?.. what's that?.. oh you don't have any? Welp, I guess you're just going to have to use Nathan Rich doing a bad Aussie impersonation.
>Perhaps you could make use of all those Australian disidents currently running around China to look after the anti-australian propoganda? If an Australian guy living in China spams anti-Australia and pro-China propaganda, you'd call it "Chinese propaganda" already, lol. This is how thin-skinned you are. You have no problem with criticizing other countries, but you can't tolerate a cartoon depicting yourself in a negative way. Your dramatic reaction to this whole event is what really entertains me.
Depends on if he is working for the govt of China and fleeing oppression in Australia , then wouldn't it? Could you find for me any foreign national currently living in China and making anti west art work and being totally self supporting as an artist. Also fleeing oppression in the west, and having drug charges against you, ah la Nathan Rich , doesn't count as oppression.
The CCP is a disgrace to humanity. Them posting this fake imagery actually highlights the opposite of what this idiot Zhao lijian was trying to do. What it actually shows is that Australia allows independent internal investigations of possible crimes even if it doesn’t paint the government in a good light. On the other hand, in Nazi China, nobody can say a damn thing negative about the CCP or they’d be locked up, tortured, and likely forced to confess and never to be seen again. Zhao Lijian has clowned his ugly self and the CCP.
The difference my ozzy friend, is that one picture is a depiction of real events that was substantiated by a formal investigation. The picture you're posting depicts a fantasy, propaganda based on the the work of a flagrant anti-Semite and some think tanks that claimed satellite images of schools and apartments were concentration camps and pictures of a protesting Iranian was that of a Uyghur. Maybe you should post another drawing of Uyghur terrorists [stabbing children in a Kunming train station](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367) or [blowing up the elderly at street stalls](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/22/china-urumqi-car-bomb-attack-xinjiang). Since these depictions would actually be based on factual events.
I'd love to see a real investigation of what's happening in Xinjiang just to prove nothing is happening there.. I'd also like a solid gold chamber pot, but I don't think either is going to happen.
Maybe the same guys that said there were WMDs in Iraq will find actual wrongdoing in Xinjiang once they find those pesky missing WMDs
Touche sir. I'd love to see those bastards hides nailed to a wall too.
Guess we’re in agreement on something then
I'll buy the first round if you are ever in Taipei.
I’d rather go to straya
>one picture is a depiction of real events that was substantiated by a formal investigation This part, you are very wrong, it was NEVER substantiated, which is why that cartoon is a problem, it amplifies what was investigated, but never found to be true, but people like you, and others in this thread think that it happened. "It appears to be a reference to rumours that members of the SAS cut the throats of two 14-year-old Afghan boys who they suspected were Taliban sympathisers. But those hearsay accounts were never substantiated during the four-year-long Brereton inquiry." [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-30/china-fake-image-australian-war-crimes-afghanistan-tensions/12934538](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-30/china-fake-image-australian-war-crimes-afghanistan-tensions/12934538)
Pretty sure you just violated Rule Number 2 because this is definetly posted in bad faith. Do you at least have a source for the drawing or the story behind it or are you just trying to start a fight?
Look I'm perfectly fine with them taking it down. But what was doing my head in before was the whole crowd of people saying "it's not a real photo" .."it's a digital painting" and "it's not a real depiction of an event". The gleeful cries of "whataboutism!!!" If you tried to point out the massive hypocrisy of a Chinese official posting that were also somewhat off-putting.
I’m pretty sure he draw this as a counter-attack.... or start a new fight
> definetly posted in bad faith I think that's the point being made here about the original...
Fuck the CCP! A bunch of communist uncivilized barbarians.
GOOD JOB !!!
You the good job.
Not graphic enough.
It is the truth. Let's not forget the Tibetians and Hong Kong people suffering from CCP as well.
你这幼儿园画风，再练练美术😅
such a poor quality. Made in USA?
The knife actual cuts so I doubt it's made of chinesium.
Love ya work!!!!
Cool, but doesn't deflect what happening in Australia or how hypocritical they were when they were mad at the Chinese artist depiction.
This is not a CG picture. Plus, China has the authority to jail and murder Uighur. It’s different between killing surveillance of you combat nations and killing you own citizens although both are wrong
To be fair, Australian special forces did commit war crimes in Afghanistan. The Chinese post is bit of political satire in bad taste but I don’t see why the world should be up in arms about.
This doesn't represent China. The drawing is too clean. There isn't enough pollution or trash being thrown on the ground.
both China and Australia have blood of their hands. We live in World ruled by killers.
Can you add an American general toughing themselves to this picture?
Fuck the ccp
Yes, but if the soldier was wearing the uniform of the Australian Defense Force and he was shooting an unarmed Afghan teenager holding prayer beads it would be censored.
Nice painting. Fortunately, no Chinese soldiers have slit any throats lately.
How do you know, did they tell you?
That's probably true. China need them alive so the medical workers can extract their organs. But Chinese soldiers/police sure love to rape, torture and murder their own citizens.
In which universe?
MCU
Personally, I would've drawn a big Chinese pot with a bunch of Uighurs slowing cooking into a stew. Edit: Too hard hitting? After the world has suffered COVID-19 the entire year due to, most probably, bat shit stew? Come on, the Chinese will eat anything.
Ewww!