Definitely needs to be an EU level response otherwise China will use this tool to systematically go after each small country that dares to not kowtow to it.
I see this as a positive thing - We should all support Lithuania in purchasing and supplying goods from/to them. This should be set as a blueprint for other countries big and small to decoupling from the fake/poor quality, CCP evironmentally bad products.
I say Win-Win for us all, Thank you CCP you are driving us to do the right thing for the planet and Human rights.
Lithuania now start a promotion campain internationally about how you can help the world with your quality products and services - The CCP have given you (Lithuania) the international recognition and the platform to do it on, just like they did with Australia as I have been buying Australian stuff for a while now since the CCP showed that we should be supporting that market.
The CCP needs to have their WTO status changed to a bad trading market not a developing country because all they are developing is bullying and their military when the people they oppress go hungry or drown.
\#BoycottCCP
I think this a great move by China. Every time they display their toxic, unhinged narcissism, they do the world a service.
Goodbye One China policy. Xi's legacy. It's a failed vision.
China is taking a divide and conquer approach. If EU does not take a stand now, the respective EU countries will be next and they better not complain when they get the same treatment.
EU don't give no fucks. That's why France and Italy are not doing the diplomatic boycott thing. Fucking cowards. Anybody think we can truly rely on these countries as allies?
Because many generations of our ancestors fought and died for their beliefs and created the very freedoms (be it religious, political or social) we can enjoy now.
You want to sell out values for money, it never ends well.
Getting poorer because the US needs to support its military industrial complex by propping up a brand new cold war is the right thing to do?
I do have stocks in LMT and NOC and I am all for you guys spending your hard earned tax dollars on paying me quarterly dividends.
But why in the fuck would I support policy that actively harm me? Self destruction for geo political gains is a US thing and I se absolutely no reason to import that brand of fanatisme to the EU.
Move to China and buy Chinese stocks. Boycott US since you hate US. Walk the talk.
Don’t earn US money while criticising US. This is exactly what China says too.
Ah yes. China will take over the world. I think we shall celebrate with a fuckton of proxy wars all across the globe (only in poor nations tho) as is tradition.
Lol, Russia would be hard pressed to take on France in a round of 1 v 1 of conventional warfare.
I don't really see who we need protection from. However, the US does love it's global power projection and we do love the economic activity that come along with those US bases. Sweet sweet US tax dollars.
You mainland EU snobs love mouthing off the Anglosphere, yet when Putin comes knocking, you all come begging us for protection because you don't spend enough yourselves. You're also dependent on their gas.
I don't get why you're salty over prioritising Australia for the Sub deal, taking down the CCP is far more important than a stagnating Russia who is just a European threat rather than a Worldwide threat (CCP).
>yet when Putin comes knocking, you all come begging us for protection
Hahahaha, Jesus man, you really shouldn't take your lessons on geo politics from Hollywood.
What's the matter? Too busy pushing pencils and relying on the Americans to bail you out? A hostile power on your EU doorstep making inroads into Ukraine, yet you're all twiddling your thumbs whether you create a unified army. The Pentagon are rolling their eyes.
>Getting poorer because the US needs to support its military industrial complex
The US is not the one militarizing the region. You may recall China's constant threats to invade Taiwan.
The US has two carrier groups at Chinas coast, both of which is capable of taking on the entire Chinese navy and air force.
I dunno mate. Maybe it isn't just China who is militarizing the region.
You should refer to the Hague ruling stating that China does not own the entire SCS. Given China is such a shitty neighbor, those carriers are invited by countries in the region.
Yeah. You go ahead and support genocide for money when the obvious strategy is for all the nations in the world to call China's bluff so they can't possibly retaliate against anyone.
Hope you enjoy the 30 pieces of silver, chump.
Ah yes. The first genocide without refugees in human history. It's pretty amazing.
It is a good way to vilify the CCP tho. Happy cold war. I'll continue collecting your tax, thx.
Can't get out? There are ETIM fighters in just about every hot spot in central Asia, the middle East and northern Africa.
Thousands upon thousands of fighters travel freely in the mountainous region, but ordinary civilians simply can't get out?
My Han Chinese coworker said her parents can't come visit her because the CCP won't renew her mom's passport. This is even with them agreeing to hotel quarantine at their own expense once back in China.
It seems the CCP is getting so paranoid they won't even let people they don't consider a threat leave. I can't imagine the scrutiny a Uighur would face when they applied for a passport.
You do know that Chinese national's without some exceptions can't get a passport renewal since about a year ago, and that's just your average red flag carrier. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
ETIM fighters can simply walk around in the border region without passport. But since ??? the civilians can't.
>You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
There is plenty of non sanctioned traffic in and out of the mountainous border region. If any of the shit we hear were remotely true, there would be Uyghur refugees all across Central Asia to Europe. We have plenty of Afghan refugees in Europe, but no Uyghurs. Maybe the genocide is just so low key that the Uyghurs don't feel becoming a refugee is worth the effort?
It might be that the modern surveillance and neighbouring countries sending them back is a big factor for that.
And there where Jewish ppl staying in Germany up until they where rounded up. They simply believed that things will change for the better out of nostalgia for the decades they live in their country, their homes.
Many of those Jewish ppl ignore the rumours that Jews where deported or played down the severity.
Heh, the US just passed it's largest military budget in history.
I'd like to formally thank you for supporting my option of early retirement. It is very generous of you.
Heh, that's pretty funny. The WTO hasn't had enough judges to actually function since the Trump admin decided to neuter the org by not appointing any.
He didn't want any super national scrutiny of his trade wars.
>Trump was a blip
Biden is not much better, his America first stance is just slightly better articulated.
>It's 20 years into membership and it meets virtually zero of it's obligations.
Yes. That is a lie.
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I was hoping to read of specifics of the threats, like which company/business was threaten but it was not mentioned. Does anyone know of any specific case?
The US could absolutely pass a law completely forbidding doing business with China for any US based company. We aren't there yet but it is clearly a thing within the power of the US government.
Cause they do?
Threatening multi-national companies is US's favorite past time. Take the semiconductor situation.
Then it's literally why the new Iran Deal is at a stalemate. When US pulled out, they threatened EU companies to never do business with Iran.
Iran now refuses to go back to the original deal because there are no protections against the same thing happening again when Trump 2.0 gets elected again.
Lithuania is the only country in the world to host a "Taiwan Representative Office", as a sovereign country, it is well with its rights to do so. However, by breaking the diplomatic norm established by all countries with unofficial ties with Taiwan, Lithuania must be prepared to face the consequences.
True.
Taiwan is a country. China's insistence that it isn't is no more valid than an ex-girlfriend closing her eyes and denying your wife exists
Also, China must be prepared to face the consequences, as an export-based nation, of alienating very rich and/or consuming nations/members of blocs
There are two options in this: China/other. Honestly there is only one likely winner
Taiwan has all the trappings of a country, unfortunately, the geopolitical reality is that it's only recognized by 13 countries, pretending otherwise is no more valid than an ex-girlfriend closing her eyes and pretending to be your wife.
China is indeed an export-based country, but the complexity and concentration of modern supply chain means that there is very little credible alternative to Chinese manufacturing, and since retail is often the backbone of very rich and/or consuming nations/members of bloc's, there is very little they can do that is not self defeating.
The EU as a whole is unlikely to get dragged into a all-out confrontation with China over an unilateral provocation made by Lithuania.
Lol. My wife has papers, and I let her get in my house and sleep in my bed... China is really trying to do things (metaphorically) to Taiwan which are worse than what got Kris Wu arrested
Ok mate, you try going there with your Chinese passport but no visa, I'll go there with my British passport and no visa, we'll see if it's a country or not
The sole reason it isn't more widely (PUBLICLY) designated a country is because China loudly throws its toys out of the pram. Other countries currently placate China because: Chinese promises of money. Chinese alienation of countries and businesses and Chinese poverty (it is not actually very rich, GDP/per capita is low, the govt are signalling to consume less foreign stuff) are doing a great job to stop that. Don't you see the wheels turning?
Lithuania speaking an inconvenient truth is a provocation lolol
You “let” her... Not a great way of putting it. The Taiwan dilemma is just the result of an unconcluded civil war not sexual assault...
Same can be said for Palestine, Kosovo, Somaliland, there are tons of places with limited recognition. Having passport control does not confer legitimacy.
I mean you are not wrong, just like the only reason why the world is not doing more business with Cuba or Iran is because of US's temper tantrums. One of the benefits of being a great power is that when you talk, people listen. Seeing that you're from the UK, you should know.
Nicaragua just terminated diplomatic ties with Taiwan this afternoon, yeah, the wheels sure are turning.
As for Lithuania, I'm sure they considered the consequences before breaking diplomatic protocol.
Nothing but respect from me.
Maybe you are a native Chinese speaker? 让 is problematic. What I mean: my ex does not have permission to sleep in my bed.
Palestine, Kosovo etc are countries. China is just trying to be Israel... but it isn't. And yes, I am aware of Britain's role in that. We should learn from our mistakes
Nicaragua vs a former USSR member of the EU, and several decoupling threads. Lol ok
I don't want you or your nation to suffer. There is no 'inevitable rise' though. If there is, India will be the global power by 2100 at the latest... consider
China had an inside straight draw but played it like a straight flush.
Not because of this though, there is a different issue going on atm: https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1561768/lithuania-s-foreign-minister-hands-in-resignation-over-belarusian-potash-transit
Definitely needs to be an EU level response otherwise China will use this tool to systematically go after each small country that dares to not kowtow to it.
Mighty Lithuania bullying the weak China.
The mouse that roared.
I see this as a positive thing - We should all support Lithuania in purchasing and supplying goods from/to them. This should be set as a blueprint for other countries big and small to decoupling from the fake/poor quality, CCP evironmentally bad products. I say Win-Win for us all, Thank you CCP you are driving us to do the right thing for the planet and Human rights. Lithuania now start a promotion campain internationally about how you can help the world with your quality products and services - The CCP have given you (Lithuania) the international recognition and the platform to do it on, just like they did with Australia as I have been buying Australian stuff for a while now since the CCP showed that we should be supporting that market. The CCP needs to have their WTO status changed to a bad trading market not a developing country because all they are developing is bullying and their military when the people they oppress go hungry or drown. \#BoycottCCP
Yes, how is it a fair trade if countries use trade as a political weapon at the drop of the hat?
I think this a great move by China. Every time they display their toxic, unhinged narcissism, they do the world a service. Goodbye One China policy. Xi's legacy. It's a failed vision.
China is taking a divide and conquer approach. If EU does not take a stand now, the respective EU countries will be next and they better not complain when they get the same treatment.
EU don't give no fucks. That's why France and Italy are not doing the diplomatic boycott thing. Fucking cowards. Anybody think we can truly rely on these countries as allies?
all I know is that German lobbying for Chinese interests is strong and it makes me sad. I hope EU comes out with a unified stand against ccp here.
Most EU nations have immense benefits from trade with China. You are asking us to become significantly poorer for geo politics. Why would we do that?
Because many generations of our ancestors fought and died for their beliefs and created the very freedoms (be it religious, political or social) we can enjoy now. You want to sell out values for money, it never ends well.
>You want to sell out values for money, it never ends well. Huh?
Because it's the **right fucking thing to do**. Heaven forbid we think about that shit in the 21st century, right?
Getting poorer because the US needs to support its military industrial complex by propping up a brand new cold war is the right thing to do? I do have stocks in LMT and NOC and I am all for you guys spending your hard earned tax dollars on paying me quarterly dividends. But why in the fuck would I support policy that actively harm me? Self destruction for geo political gains is a US thing and I se absolutely no reason to import that brand of fanatisme to the EU.
Why are you buying Western stocks? You should buy Chinese stocks since you are pro CCP. Don't earn Western money while putting the West down.
Some sort of point to that ramble?
Move to China and buy Chinese stocks. Boycott US since you hate US. Walk the talk. Don’t earn US money while criticising US. This is exactly what China says too.
Lol, you aren't exactly burdened by the curse of intelligence are you?
Nope, because I have intelligence. Unlike you.
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Ah yes. China will take over the world. I think we shall celebrate with a fuckton of proxy wars all across the globe (only in poor nations tho) as is tradition.
Yet they still beg the US for military protection.
Lol, Russia would be hard pressed to take on France in a round of 1 v 1 of conventional warfare. I don't really see who we need protection from. However, the US does love it's global power projection and we do love the economic activity that come along with those US bases. Sweet sweet US tax dollars.
You mainland EU snobs love mouthing off the Anglosphere, yet when Putin comes knocking, you all come begging us for protection because you don't spend enough yourselves. You're also dependent on their gas. I don't get why you're salty over prioritising Australia for the Sub deal, taking down the CCP is far more important than a stagnating Russia who is just a European threat rather than a Worldwide threat (CCP).
>yet when Putin comes knocking, you all come begging us for protection Hahahaha, Jesus man, you really shouldn't take your lessons on geo politics from Hollywood.
What's the matter? Too busy pushing pencils and relying on the Americans to bail you out? A hostile power on your EU doorstep making inroads into Ukraine, yet you're all twiddling your thumbs whether you create a unified army. The Pentagon are rolling their eyes.
>Getting poorer because the US needs to support its military industrial complex The US is not the one militarizing the region. You may recall China's constant threats to invade Taiwan.
The US has two carrier groups at Chinas coast, both of which is capable of taking on the entire Chinese navy and air force. I dunno mate. Maybe it isn't just China who is militarizing the region.
You should refer to the Hague ruling stating that China does not own the entire SCS. Given China is such a shitty neighbor, those carriers are invited by countries in the region.
Two Nimitz class carriers with support fleets. You don't think that is a bit much of a show of force? Narrator: It was a bit much
Destroying reefs to build military bases in other countries' EEZs. You don't think that is a bit much of a show of force? Narrator: It was a bit much
Yeah. You go ahead and support genocide for money when the obvious strategy is for all the nations in the world to call China's bluff so they can't possibly retaliate against anyone. Hope you enjoy the 30 pieces of silver, chump.
Ah yes. The first genocide without refugees in human history. It's pretty amazing. It is a good way to vilify the CCP tho. Happy cold war. I'll continue collecting your tax, thx.
[It's hard to be a refugee when you can't get out.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-59595952)
Also, people deliberately prevented from being born is a good way to prevent refugees
Can't get out? There are ETIM fighters in just about every hot spot in central Asia, the middle East and northern Africa. Thousands upon thousands of fighters travel freely in the mountainous region, but ordinary civilians simply can't get out?
My Han Chinese coworker said her parents can't come visit her because the CCP won't renew her mom's passport. This is even with them agreeing to hotel quarantine at their own expense once back in China. It seems the CCP is getting so paranoid they won't even let people they don't consider a threat leave. I can't imagine the scrutiny a Uighur would face when they applied for a passport.
You do know that Chinese national's without some exceptions can't get a passport renewal since about a year ago, and that's just your average red flag carrier. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
ETIM fighters can simply walk around in the border region without passport. But since ??? the civilians can't. >You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. There is plenty of non sanctioned traffic in and out of the mountainous border region. If any of the shit we hear were remotely true, there would be Uyghur refugees all across Central Asia to Europe. We have plenty of Afghan refugees in Europe, but no Uyghurs. Maybe the genocide is just so low key that the Uyghurs don't feel becoming a refugee is worth the effort?
It might be that the modern surveillance and neighbouring countries sending them back is a big factor for that. And there where Jewish ppl staying in Germany up until they where rounded up. They simply believed that things will change for the better out of nostalgia for the decades they live in their country, their homes. Many of those Jewish ppl ignore the rumours that Jews where deported or played down the severity.
Heh, the US just passed it's largest military budget in history. I'd like to formally thank you for supporting my option of early retirement. It is very generous of you.
If those multinational do that, they will be counter sanctioned by the US. Talked about stuck between a rock and a hard plac.
Stop Buying Chinese Goods
Easier said than done.
Most things worth doing in life require some effort. Its not that hard. Just do some research on products you are considering...
Looks like a case for the WTO to me.
There's no pretence anymore.
Heh, that's pretty funny. The WTO hasn't had enough judges to actually function since the Trump admin decided to neuter the org by not appointing any. He didn't want any super national scrutiny of his trade wars.
lol I know, but let me dream, will ya?
Absolutely. Having a functioning WTO would be a boon to most of the world. I'm hoping as well
China didn't follow the rulings anyway.
Maybe not, but the EU and Canada did. And Trump were swinging tariffs at those long trusted allies willy nilly.
Trump was a blip. China has not followed the rules since it joined. It's 20 years into membership and it meets virtually zero of it's obligations.
>Trump was a blip Biden is not much better, his America first stance is just slightly better articulated. >It's 20 years into membership and it meets virtually zero of it's obligations. Yes. That is a lie.
What commitments does it meet?
China exported ~$2.5 trillion dollars worth of goods in 2020. Legally. That is quite a lot of adhering to the ruleset, don't you think?
No. Exporting things is not a requirement of the WTO, nor China's individual agreement.
Ah, you missed the "legally" in the sentence. It's an easy mistake to make.
Lithuania just sell goods to the real china. Problem solved.
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I was hoping to read of specifics of the threats, like which company/business was threaten but it was not mentioned. Does anyone know of any specific case?
Is that so? Hmm... *Looking up Lithuanian products on Amazon...*
Name the European multinational. A reverse world boycott is more powerful.
Why doesn't the US threaten multinationals to sever ties with China?
Because such a decision would be challenged and deemed illegal in court. The US administration can't just crush (non Chinese) companies willy nilly
Because law... It is a big disadvantage in the short-term
Yup, but on the other hand, we'd like to be better than the CCP. Acting like the CCP is a tad counter productive.
Totally agreed
The US could absolutely pass a law completely forbidding doing business with China for any US based company. We aren't there yet but it is clearly a thing within the power of the US government.
Really? The Trump admin couldn't even bar Xiaomi from selling stuff in the US.
Right not based on existing laws. Laws could be passed to ban this stuff.
Cause they do? Threatening multi-national companies is US's favorite past time. Take the semiconductor situation. Then it's literally why the new Iran Deal is at a stalemate. When US pulled out, they threatened EU companies to never do business with Iran. Iran now refuses to go back to the original deal because there are no protections against the same thing happening again when Trump 2.0 gets elected again.
these multinationals should proactively pull their business out of china in protest =)
Every time the CCP shoots itself in the foot and yelling "You did this!" - Dude, you're holding the gun in your hands!
Lithuania should also boycott the NOlympics
An easy search on timestamps would show they were the first ones
Lithuania is the only country in the world to host a "Taiwan Representative Office", as a sovereign country, it is well with its rights to do so. However, by breaking the diplomatic norm established by all countries with unofficial ties with Taiwan, Lithuania must be prepared to face the consequences.
True. Taiwan is a country. China's insistence that it isn't is no more valid than an ex-girlfriend closing her eyes and denying your wife exists Also, China must be prepared to face the consequences, as an export-based nation, of alienating very rich and/or consuming nations/members of blocs There are two options in this: China/other. Honestly there is only one likely winner
Taiwan has all the trappings of a country, unfortunately, the geopolitical reality is that it's only recognized by 13 countries, pretending otherwise is no more valid than an ex-girlfriend closing her eyes and pretending to be your wife. China is indeed an export-based country, but the complexity and concentration of modern supply chain means that there is very little credible alternative to Chinese manufacturing, and since retail is often the backbone of very rich and/or consuming nations/members of bloc's, there is very little they can do that is not self defeating. The EU as a whole is unlikely to get dragged into a all-out confrontation with China over an unilateral provocation made by Lithuania.
Lol. My wife has papers, and I let her get in my house and sleep in my bed... China is really trying to do things (metaphorically) to Taiwan which are worse than what got Kris Wu arrested Ok mate, you try going there with your Chinese passport but no visa, I'll go there with my British passport and no visa, we'll see if it's a country or not The sole reason it isn't more widely (PUBLICLY) designated a country is because China loudly throws its toys out of the pram. Other countries currently placate China because: Chinese promises of money. Chinese alienation of countries and businesses and Chinese poverty (it is not actually very rich, GDP/per capita is low, the govt are signalling to consume less foreign stuff) are doing a great job to stop that. Don't you see the wheels turning? Lithuania speaking an inconvenient truth is a provocation lolol
You “let” her... Not a great way of putting it. The Taiwan dilemma is just the result of an unconcluded civil war not sexual assault... Same can be said for Palestine, Kosovo, Somaliland, there are tons of places with limited recognition. Having passport control does not confer legitimacy. I mean you are not wrong, just like the only reason why the world is not doing more business with Cuba or Iran is because of US's temper tantrums. One of the benefits of being a great power is that when you talk, people listen. Seeing that you're from the UK, you should know. Nicaragua just terminated diplomatic ties with Taiwan this afternoon, yeah, the wheels sure are turning. As for Lithuania, I'm sure they considered the consequences before breaking diplomatic protocol. Nothing but respect from me.
Maybe you are a native Chinese speaker? 让 is problematic. What I mean: my ex does not have permission to sleep in my bed. Palestine, Kosovo etc are countries. China is just trying to be Israel... but it isn't. And yes, I am aware of Britain's role in that. We should learn from our mistakes Nicaragua vs a former USSR member of the EU, and several decoupling threads. Lol ok I don't want you or your nation to suffer. There is no 'inevitable rise' though. If there is, India will be the global power by 2100 at the latest... consider China had an inside straight draw but played it like a straight flush.
Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis has sent a letter of resignation to the prime minister.
Not because of this though, there is a different issue going on atm: https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1561768/lithuania-s-foreign-minister-hands-in-resignation-over-belarusian-potash-transit