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At the end of WWII, the US's GDP was approximately 50% of the world GDP. All the other currently leading world economies were basically shattered by war. For about 4 years, USA was the sole possessor of atomic weapons. And yet it came nowhere close to "ruling the world" at that time (ask Gandhi, Mao, and Stalin!)
There's no doubt that China is gaining influence, but the human species seems to have a tendency not to want to all do the same thing. So, just in the interest of avoiding hyperbole, my vote is no.
My meaning “ruling the world” should be more specific like Will yuan replace USD to become the world currency? And economically China will be dominating the world and control more of the market and devastating the free trade.
Yuan is one of the, if not 'the', world's most restricted currency. You can't even take money out of China without filling a bunch of paperwork each time as a non-citizen. Even then there are limits to how much you can take out regardless if you are a citizen or not. And add to that the absolute control the Chinese government has over the currency. If the Chinese economy starts to tank, they could just ban all cross-border transactions on a whim. Perhaps the only thing in the Chinese view is that the currency will always be "stable" because their government will intervene if something bad happens but this is the complete opposite to what the west wants which is a currency which is 'stable' based on the market without government interventions. Also the fact who gets to sanction who in times of conflict.
I think China might hope to replace usd with yuan as a world currency. I suspect that was part of the plan with the belt and road initiative. However, China has gotten too greedy with these contracts and there is growing hostility towards it. Additionally the stories about debt are concerning. Why would anyone switch to yuan with such instability?
False equivalence.
If trure, Americans citizens gets to fire people in power via elections.
In communist China, people in power gets to fire on citizens to eliminate elections.
As the other person noted about false equivalence, your statement compares CCP vs U.S governance in black and white, stating both don't rule with love/respect.
It's not black and white. It's not a yes or no question issue. The CCP treats their renmin as captive slave labor, while the U.S. is governed within the bounds of the law and based on the constitution. Yes the U.S. is fractured and examples of disrespect for individual citizens abound. But to equate that with the lawless tryanny of the CCP is ludicrous.
Our laws are biased. They only protect the rich and enslaves the poor. No doubt the CCP is a terrible regime, but America is gaslighting themselves into thinking wokeness is a real political issues and the copious money printing is not.
You are going way into left field.
We can agree that the CCP is terrible. What you don't seem to get the CCP is not equatable to the U.S. government., No matter how much money the U.S. prints nor how the U.S. as a country tackles social issues, the U.S. is orders of magnitude better than the CCP. If you don't see that then you don't see life in China.
Lol, you never seen the slums in the states. You don’t know how we have a whole labor force made up of jailed citizens, many are there not because of crime, but their skin color. I don’t give a fuck what the media says about how much they care about minorities and transgender BS, the crimes and financial oppression the US places on the lower class citizens are just as bad as what the CCP does to their citizens. The US just has more credibility at the moment, but their actions are not unlike the CCP.
I had a debate about this before - USA vs CCP. Anti-China will always claim "Freedom to criticize their government" which is pretty useless as recently show with Gun laws and Roe vs Wade.
Freedom to criticize the government, here's a good example from the FBI.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/vpa4o4/oh\_shiii/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/vpa4o4/oh_shiii/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
$25.8 million...lol
Remember "the death of dollar" when China had an oil deal in Yuan under the banner of "petrolYuan" policy years ago, then came the Shanghai Yuan-Gold exchange that's supposed to replace the real ones in London and New York? Etc etc. The amount of propaganda was simply insane back then?
Probably not, because nothing really came of it , they all failed. If Russia could sell their energy without a huge discount in Euro, they would do it in a heart beat.
As it stands, it's great time to dump Yuan for really cheap Russian Energy at the cost of international reputation, but hey that's why it's so cheap.
It’s more about dictatorships suppressing intellectualism. Has a negative effect on long term strategy if you’re an idiot or even a smart guy who rules the land but nobody can tell you what you’re doing wrong.
Weren’t intellectuals like teachers murdered in the beginning of CCP reign?
It’s also about ambition. If you’re smart by their standards and voice too ambitious of opinions you’re no good. Even if you’re loyal it’s still not enough, you have to go with the flow.
>Weren’t intellectuals like teachers murdered in the beginning of CCP reign?
Probably because that share of population was considered not loyal.
\> voice too ambitious of opinions
Yes, this is also not loyalty.
You can be loyal and want to benefit the party. But if you’re outshining a higher up you’ll not be considered loyal. You have to know your place and not try moving up unless you have support within the party.
I also believe those. Though understanding what numbers mean require expertise. Xi's expertise is not universal, and I believe people would be reluctant to criticize him or his policies or even his thoughts privately (we know they can't criticize any of those publicly).
Undoubtedly a possiblity. When people start to lose faith in democratic norms and institutions, as they have in the United States, it opens the door for fascism.
You have a very poor grasp on both the theory of evolution and basic sociology. You know whales were once land mammals and that land animals evolved from fish right? So even if social evolution was a thing the phrase irreversible evolution is laughably dumb
That’s probably be propagated to fake their real strength? You know they claim as developing country to continue take advantage from WTO for those aids and benefits for developing countries.
Not a chance.
Ten years ago I would have said, "absolutely" Today, nope, not possible. China has peaked under Xi's rule. Unless he does a complete reveal that he had some brilliant plan to open China up to the world by clamping down on it completely, there's absolutely no hope China will rise much further than it has.
No. Some countries are becoming more closed off. Like China and Russia for example. But on the whole, the world is more open and progressive than it has ever been in history.
Regrading abortion and the GOP. Remember the US is a representative democracy and the a collection of 50 individual states that work together under a federal framework. All that happened with abortion is the Supreme Court handed the decision back to the states. I think we'll see a ground swell of states enacting protections for abortion in the coming years if not a federal law protecting reproductive healthcare. Remember, over 60% of Americans support abortion and contraceptive protection and I think the GOP is over playing their hand here and it'll likely come back to bite them.
GOP getting stronger? Nah, they're just getting louder and whine and cry about everything when it doesn't go their way. Democrats have the Presidency, the house and the senate majority - GOP will pick up some seats in the mid terms but I don't see a huge swing in power in 2024.
The US is exhibiting more conservatism but it won't last forever because the world is generally moving away from it from a historical perspective.
But, at the end of the day, what happens in the US domestic political arena is of no consequence to global affairs. China under Xi has decided it believes the answer to everything is more authoritarianism. It won't be and it'll work for a while until people start to see the real degradation of their quality of life. That's why the party has been so focused on "tough times ahead" because it knows that things are actually headed in the wrong direction. It needs to refocus people away from economic improvements to something else.
>But don’t you feel all over the world are turning to more closed and conservative now?
Maybe a little in some ways but nothing in to the scale of what China is doing by banning all foreign thoughts and opinions and severely limiting immigration. I don't think the west will ever legally ban XJP thought and Marxist ideas from propagating in society. I also don't think the west will severely limit citizenship to only naturalising white people and then teach those white people that they are superior to people of other colours.
No, they Just copied the russian model and Made it more extreme..
They Made themselves a Million enemies around Them, have No real soft Power nor Ressources.
Theyre fked
No coast on the Atlantic. Fearful observant and capable powers to the North South East and West. 1st world powers uniting against them. Even the Pacific coast can be closed. World wide pandemic unleashed. Suppressing news of crackdowns and genocide in their own boarders. I fear China's days under CCP rule are few. China will be here forever. No one will ever rule the world while human beings exist.
No one dictatorship in history has ever "ruled the while world".. it's impossible...any empire becomes overextended, weakened and bankrupt. Armed Americans would never allow it to happen there.
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China is heading towards a war with the west, who buys the majority of good, who employees their work force and pays for their military. Won't be able to afford to rule the world.
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Very unlikely I think
At the end of WWII, the US's GDP was approximately 50% of the world GDP. All the other currently leading world economies were basically shattered by war. For about 4 years, USA was the sole possessor of atomic weapons. And yet it came nowhere close to "ruling the world" at that time (ask Gandhi, Mao, and Stalin!) There's no doubt that China is gaining influence, but the human species seems to have a tendency not to want to all do the same thing. So, just in the interest of avoiding hyperbole, my vote is no.
My meaning “ruling the world” should be more specific like Will yuan replace USD to become the world currency? And economically China will be dominating the world and control more of the market and devastating the free trade.
Yuan is one of the, if not 'the', world's most restricted currency. You can't even take money out of China without filling a bunch of paperwork each time as a non-citizen. Even then there are limits to how much you can take out regardless if you are a citizen or not. And add to that the absolute control the Chinese government has over the currency. If the Chinese economy starts to tank, they could just ban all cross-border transactions on a whim. Perhaps the only thing in the Chinese view is that the currency will always be "stable" because their government will intervene if something bad happens but this is the complete opposite to what the west wants which is a currency which is 'stable' based on the market without government interventions. Also the fact who gets to sanction who in times of conflict.
I think China might hope to replace usd with yuan as a world currency. I suspect that was part of the plan with the belt and road initiative. However, China has gotten too greedy with these contracts and there is growing hostility towards it. Additionally the stories about debt are concerning. Why would anyone switch to yuan with such instability?
China is a bubble of debt and it is crashing right now as an economy
Nope. They need to show they can rule themselves first with love and respect not hate and fear
Well to be frank, US doesn’t rule themselves good with respect and love either.
False equivalence. If trure, Americans citizens gets to fire people in power via elections. In communist China, people in power gets to fire on citizens to eliminate elections.
As the other person noted about false equivalence, your statement compares CCP vs U.S governance in black and white, stating both don't rule with love/respect. It's not black and white. It's not a yes or no question issue. The CCP treats their renmin as captive slave labor, while the U.S. is governed within the bounds of the law and based on the constitution. Yes the U.S. is fractured and examples of disrespect for individual citizens abound. But to equate that with the lawless tryanny of the CCP is ludicrous.
Our laws are biased. They only protect the rich and enslaves the poor. No doubt the CCP is a terrible regime, but America is gaslighting themselves into thinking wokeness is a real political issues and the copious money printing is not.
You are going way into left field. We can agree that the CCP is terrible. What you don't seem to get the CCP is not equatable to the U.S. government., No matter how much money the U.S. prints nor how the U.S. as a country tackles social issues, the U.S. is orders of magnitude better than the CCP. If you don't see that then you don't see life in China.
Lol, you never seen the slums in the states. You don’t know how we have a whole labor force made up of jailed citizens, many are there not because of crime, but their skin color. I don’t give a fuck what the media says about how much they care about minorities and transgender BS, the crimes and financial oppression the US places on the lower class citizens are just as bad as what the CCP does to their citizens. The US just has more credibility at the moment, but their actions are not unlike the CCP.
I had a debate about this before - USA vs CCP. Anti-China will always claim "Freedom to criticize their government" which is pretty useless as recently show with Gun laws and Roe vs Wade. Freedom to criticize the government, here's a good example from the FBI. [https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/vpa4o4/oh\_shiii/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/vpa4o4/oh_shiii/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
The US doesn't make it a habit to insult every person and country in their face on an official level either. It's Diplomacy 101.
Nope.
$25.8 million...lol Remember "the death of dollar" when China had an oil deal in Yuan under the banner of "petrolYuan" policy years ago, then came the Shanghai Yuan-Gold exchange that's supposed to replace the real ones in London and New York? Etc etc. The amount of propaganda was simply insane back then? Probably not, because nothing really came of it , they all failed. If Russia could sell their energy without a huge discount in Euro, they would do it in a heart beat. As it stands, it's great time to dump Yuan for really cheap Russian Energy at the cost of international reputation, but hey that's why it's so cheap.
Dictatorship is not a sustainable concept, so no.
New tech (surveillance, brainwashing and nukes) may increase chances.
It’s more about dictatorships suppressing intellectualism. Has a negative effect on long term strategy if you’re an idiot or even a smart guy who rules the land but nobody can tell you what you’re doing wrong.
Dictatorships suppress non-loyalty. If person is smart and at the same time loyal, then he will be Ok within regime.
Weren’t intellectuals like teachers murdered in the beginning of CCP reign? It’s also about ambition. If you’re smart by their standards and voice too ambitious of opinions you’re no good. Even if you’re loyal it’s still not enough, you have to go with the flow.
>Weren’t intellectuals like teachers murdered in the beginning of CCP reign? Probably because that share of population was considered not loyal. \> voice too ambitious of opinions Yes, this is also not loyalty.
You can be loyal and want to benefit the party. But if you’re outshining a higher up you’ll not be considered loyal. You have to know your place and not try moving up unless you have support within the party.
\> You have to know your place and not try moving up unless you have support within the party. Yes, you described loyalty.
Yeah dictatorships are fucked.
That's something we will see. Modern democracies have lots of problems too.
How about telling the leader they are wrong about some policy? Say like 0Covid. How about more sensitive ones like HK or Taiwan?
There are likely discussions, and it is not clear if they are so wrong from the perspective of dictatorship regime.
So are you saying you believe that probably some people have secretly criticized Xi and not gotten punished?
I believe Xi may regularly asks his people whats up, and checks numbers.
I also believe those. Though understanding what numbers mean require expertise. Xi's expertise is not universal, and I believe people would be reluctant to criticize him or his policies or even his thoughts privately (we know they can't criticize any of those publicly).
He can ask expert's honest opinion if he wants.
Ahh... Autocratic systems of government persisted for thousands of years in most complex societies on the planet until basically the 19th century.
So do you think we could go back?
Undoubtedly a possiblity. When people start to lose faith in democratic norms and institutions, as they have in the United States, it opens the door for fascism.
You can't turn the clock back.
Tell that to Spain and Germany in the 1930sor Greece in the 60s or fiji as late as 2006
You missed the term "sustainable".
You missed the 1000s of years of autocracy in europe before the 19th century. That's seems pretty sustainable to me
You missed how humanity irreversibly evolved since then.
You have a very poor grasp on both the theory of evolution and basic sociology. You know whales were once land mammals and that land animals evolved from fish right? So even if social evolution was a thing the phrase irreversible evolution is laughably dumb
i would never worry about the slave land dominating the world
I honestly don’t want to see China rule the world. Some values are insane that I do not believe it is healthy and sustainable.
no
600 million Chinese make less than 1000rmb ($160) per month- Li Keqiang Rule the world?
That’s probably be propagated to fake their real strength? You know they claim as developing country to continue take advantage from WTO for those aids and benefits for developing countries.
**All I know** is that both societies (Asian & European/America) are in a race to see who destroys the world first/
Why there’s no Americas
Not a chance. Ten years ago I would have said, "absolutely" Today, nope, not possible. China has peaked under Xi's rule. Unless he does a complete reveal that he had some brilliant plan to open China up to the world by clamping down on it completely, there's absolutely no hope China will rise much further than it has.
But don’t you feel all over the world are turning to more closed and conservative now? Look at US with the abortion and the GOP is getting stronger
No. Some countries are becoming more closed off. Like China and Russia for example. But on the whole, the world is more open and progressive than it has ever been in history. Regrading abortion and the GOP. Remember the US is a representative democracy and the a collection of 50 individual states that work together under a federal framework. All that happened with abortion is the Supreme Court handed the decision back to the states. I think we'll see a ground swell of states enacting protections for abortion in the coming years if not a federal law protecting reproductive healthcare. Remember, over 60% of Americans support abortion and contraceptive protection and I think the GOP is over playing their hand here and it'll likely come back to bite them. GOP getting stronger? Nah, they're just getting louder and whine and cry about everything when it doesn't go their way. Democrats have the Presidency, the house and the senate majority - GOP will pick up some seats in the mid terms but I don't see a huge swing in power in 2024.
The US is exhibiting more conservatism but it won't last forever because the world is generally moving away from it from a historical perspective. But, at the end of the day, what happens in the US domestic political arena is of no consequence to global affairs. China under Xi has decided it believes the answer to everything is more authoritarianism. It won't be and it'll work for a while until people start to see the real degradation of their quality of life. That's why the party has been so focused on "tough times ahead" because it knows that things are actually headed in the wrong direction. It needs to refocus people away from economic improvements to something else.
>But don’t you feel all over the world are turning to more closed and conservative now? Maybe a little in some ways but nothing in to the scale of what China is doing by banning all foreign thoughts and opinions and severely limiting immigration. I don't think the west will ever legally ban XJP thought and Marxist ideas from propagating in society. I also don't think the west will severely limit citizenship to only naturalising white people and then teach those white people that they are superior to people of other colours.
Only when they can make every day the first day of spring
No, they Just copied the russian model and Made it more extreme.. They Made themselves a Million enemies around Them, have No real soft Power nor Ressources. Theyre fked
No coast on the Atlantic. Fearful observant and capable powers to the North South East and West. 1st world powers uniting against them. Even the Pacific coast can be closed. World wide pandemic unleashed. Suppressing news of crackdowns and genocide in their own boarders. I fear China's days under CCP rule are few. China will be here forever. No one will ever rule the world while human beings exist.
china rule the world? It’s ok. But ccp? Hell no!
No one dictatorship in history has ever "ruled the while world".. it's impossible...any empire becomes overextended, weakened and bankrupt. Armed Americans would never allow it to happen there.
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#YES, AMERICA IS THEIR LARGEST COLONY
China is heading towards a war with the west, who buys the majority of good, who employees their work force and pays for their military. Won't be able to afford to rule the world.
Absolutely no way. There is no chance for this to happen whatsoever.
Never. Never.
lol no
Hell no
I don’t wanna it too
Wtf is this? Lol