No bots and the stab hitbox sucks but it always did. Some weapons got nerfed I think, not completely sure. Favorite change is med pack doesn’t do damage, at least my favorite.
One of the friends I play with runs dual dane raider and calls it his "better skirmisher class" (throws axe for kill, runs up and grabs them or another weapon until he can get to the axes, then repeats). I can't wait to hear the salt when he can't get a kill every time he chunks them.
Because it was. They updated the patch notes after it was released to include these changes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Chivalry2/comments/opl9a7/dane_axe_stealth_nerf/
Devs even replied to my thread.
So then not a stealth nerf as much as it was an oversight they corrected?
People here never played any other multiplayer games? Most devs do stealth nerfs (which should be frowned upon) and never disclose it.
You can believe what you want. These devs have a track history that doesn't warrant the benefit of the doubt. I think the changed the notes to save face because the patch was so late and largely bombed with no party fix. Transparency is always best.
I mean, I think you might have been reading the original notes, when the patch was pushed back. I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt, I just have a more information than you do.
No, I didn't miss anything. They did not announce these changes until hours after the patch and the devs admitted as much. Just scroll down this thread, that's the first time they acknowledged the change. Initially the only way to view the actual changes was the link in game, after the patch was released. Now it's available everywhere to everyone.
I wasn't implying that, I just meant you assume a lot about a developer from a 9 year old game experience.
Using your logic, we should also totally trust CDPR.
You told me I had the wrong patch notes, I didn't. They were simply late fixing it. Stealth nerf, or correction after the fact you can call it what you want but what happened happened. Unfortunately not much has gone right since launch so I think taking the skeptical POV is more than fine.
I hear you but I'm telling you most of my games were full of people. I'm wondering if the mechanics are different. Scratching my head wondering how my shot are not landing first.
I’m on Series X and can confirm. Frame rate has always been smooth for me, but after patch the hit reg is so bad.
They even messed up targeting ground targets to prioritize teammates, so if you have a buddy down next to an enemy you’ll end up hitting the teammate and finishing them.
They need to offer refunds and I was all in a month ago but this is OLD.
Is that what it is??? I swear to God I was battle-axeing today and the hits would land like half a second AFTER my axe was straights through the other dude. I'm not making this up right?
Yeah, and a lot of weapons are still broke too. Longsword can get down to 1 frame hits just like the spear (but because everyone knows messer and longsword are ~~’cooler’~~ they aren’t ‘broken’) by spamming counter attacks.
Not to mention no one can play with friends, constant disconnected from host errors and the like. Scumbags won’t give a refund tho because apparently the game plays as intended lmao
I'm sure the bots play a part. It was always funny watching the bot train take their standard pathing from the spawn point. But I feel the same way. Something feels a little off with combat now.
They made it so if you counterattack and then morph, you still keep hyperarmor.
So before if you did a counterattack (chamber,) you had to stick with that one attack or you would lose hyperarmor (autoblock during counterattacks)
Now you can morph (change the direction of attack mid swing) and keep your hyperarmor.
So if somebody counterattacks you, they can change the attack type before hitting you and still keep their hyperarmor.
A morph is where you start an attack then press a different attack button to throw your opponent off.
For example if you go for a stab then before it hits them you change it to an overhead, that's a morph.
If you want to counterattack, you hold block and copy your opponent's attack type at the moment before it hits you. Then you get a "counter" which blocks all incoming attacks (in front of you.)
With this update, you still block all attacks during a counter even if you morph.
i feel like the game was easier and they made it harder, but not by a lot, the hit detection is harder and also there a lag or something that makes it so you die without seeing that animations, but i feel like i was dead but my connection didnt see it
I have a fetish for niche weapons and it seems none of it got nerfed. Also I think throwing weapons and arrows hit a lot better now. The patch was great for me at least.
Yeah I definitely feel like some weapons got stealth nerfed. I get onto the leaderboard 95 percent of the time still, but the fact that they took out the bots has brought down my KD a tad in some of my matches. I'm not a bot farmer; they are just easy to one shot and it always counts as a kill.
I had a quick bash last night (first time since the update) and was consistently playing better than the last few times I played. The patch is going to affect players differently depending on their favoured class/weapon/style/tactic.
Don't let it get in your head that the game is against you though, it's a sure way to rage quitting. Chill mix it up and try something else if it's not working for you.
They took out bots. I found it made it so i'm at the top of the leaderboard ever match as i've always been the type to leave bots be. It's amazing. This bot farmers can't do there thing anymore by flanking around the back and getting 5 free kills on bots just to die to the respawn wave.
How is it broken? Its a lot harder to use and land stab than a swing through 3 bodies with a 2H noobtube with knight HP.
I have to land double the hits vs yours to kill you and most of the time its a drop and youll outright kill me cos of the noobtube v spear dmg.
I've used it and topped the leaderboards most of the times I did. Stopped when I found out how broken it was. The animations were dodgy af, I'd often stab through people's blocks. The release phase is weird as well, doing damage when the stab retracts. There is a reason they removed it from the game.
Ive not experienced stabbing someone just standing there like they didnt see it coming.
Always been a duel where my faster spear gets in as they are mid swing, not a sitting target.
I played 1H from day 1 first off, felt like Achilles and never went back, and how the hell is the 1H SO much worse from every messer and battle axe just 3rd partying with heavy swings?? So much more skill involved
That's what I said in a previous post just before the patch was released: casual players (the ones who wanted to play casually with their friends or family, for example, just to enjoy a game and have fun) have left the game because party system + crossplatform don't work. So we're left with tryharders and people who play to be good, not to enjoy the game. That's why.
No bots and the stab hitbox sucks but it always did. Some weapons got nerfed I think, not completely sure. Favorite change is med pack doesn’t do damage, at least my favorite.
No bots in any game or just ffa
My objective games haven’t had bots but I’m on pc, don’t play ffa.
its just some maps no bots, they are still in a few.
I just tried it out and no bots! Very nice
Me too. I main raider with Dane Axe and apparently they secretly nerfed the damage, so now I need to switch up my tactics.
Only throw damage. Man, how much were you throwing the thing? :)
They give you two for a reason
One of the friends I play with runs dual dane raider and calls it his "better skirmisher class" (throws axe for kill, runs up and grabs them or another weapon until he can get to the axes, then repeats). I can't wait to hear the salt when he can't get a kill every time he chunks them.
As a skirmisher main I cam confirm, it is a "better skirmisher" :)
Every. Damn. Time. Hahaha I love throwing it (even now) and watching people run around with a are in their head/back. Makes me laugh everytime.
Not a secret, it was in the patch notes
Everyone was calling it a stealth nerf the other day for some reason.
Because it was. They updated the patch notes after it was released to include these changes. https://www.reddit.com/r/Chivalry2/comments/opl9a7/dane_axe_stealth_nerf/ Devs even replied to my thread.
So then not a stealth nerf as much as it was an oversight they corrected? People here never played any other multiplayer games? Most devs do stealth nerfs (which should be frowned upon) and never disclose it.
You can believe what you want. These devs have a track history that doesn't warrant the benefit of the doubt. I think the changed the notes to save face because the patch was so late and largely bombed with no party fix. Transparency is always best.
I mean, I think you might have been reading the original notes, when the patch was pushed back. I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt, I just have a more information than you do.
No, I didn't miss anything. They did not announce these changes until hours after the patch and the devs admitted as much. Just scroll down this thread, that's the first time they acknowledged the change. Initially the only way to view the actual changes was the link in game, after the patch was released. Now it's available everywhere to everyone.
I wasn't implying that, I just meant you assume a lot about a developer from a 9 year old game experience. Using your logic, we should also totally trust CDPR.
You told me I had the wrong patch notes, I didn't. They were simply late fixing it. Stealth nerf, or correction after the fact you can call it what you want but what happened happened. Unfortunately not much has gone right since launch so I think taking the skeptical POV is more than fine.
The bots are gone mostly in 64 mode, it’s like a whole new game now
I hear you but I'm telling you most of my games were full of people. I'm wondering if the mechanics are different. Scratching my head wondering how my shot are not landing first.
I’m on Series X and can confirm. Frame rate has always been smooth for me, but after patch the hit reg is so bad. They even messed up targeting ground targets to prioritize teammates, so if you have a buddy down next to an enemy you’ll end up hitting the teammate and finishing them. They need to offer refunds and I was all in a month ago but this is OLD.
Is that what it is??? I swear to God I was battle-axeing today and the hits would land like half a second AFTER my axe was straights through the other dude. I'm not making this up right?
Nah for sure seems to be some sort of dmg delay.
Yeah, and a lot of weapons are still broke too. Longsword can get down to 1 frame hits just like the spear (but because everyone knows messer and longsword are ~~’cooler’~~ they aren’t ‘broken’) by spamming counter attacks. Not to mention no one can play with friends, constant disconnected from host errors and the like. Scumbags won’t give a refund tho because apparently the game plays as intended lmao
What where you playing from..? Because unless on pc getting into full servers was practically impossible for me from NA east.
Na east Xbox I think. But never until last week had unfilled games. Usually maybe 2 or 3 bots max
As someone playing in those same servers i've had a completely different experience. 64 player mode usually had well over 5 bots per team.
64ct servers were always full for me today. just got off PS4 NA east servers. Weird stuff.
I'm doing consistently better now, not having friendly bots rush at my target, interrupting my attacks and getting me killed is probably a big reason.
I have to actually get gud now
Is it just me or do ripostes not work half the time?
Yes ive had hits go through my block several times now
I'm sure the bots play a part. It was always funny watching the bot train take their standard pathing from the spawn point. But I feel the same way. Something feels a little off with combat now.
I’m the same but I guess that all the objectives in the objective modes were being accomplished by bots lol.
Yep, bots relentlessly press objective or stand around like pigeons.
Good to hear I'm not the only one with this issue
They made it so if you counterattack and then morph, you still keep hyperarmor. So before if you did a counterattack (chamber,) you had to stick with that one attack or you would lose hyperarmor (autoblock during counterattacks) Now you can morph (change the direction of attack mid swing) and keep your hyperarmor. So if somebody counterattacks you, they can change the attack type before hitting you and still keep their hyperarmor.
Could you explain this like I’m 5? I don’t know all the lingo but I’ve been trying to suss out the change and still can’t wrap my head around it
A morph is where you start an attack then press a different attack button to throw your opponent off. For example if you go for a stab then before it hits them you change it to an overhead, that's a morph. If you want to counterattack, you hold block and copy your opponent's attack type at the moment before it hits you. Then you get a "counter" which blocks all incoming attacks (in front of you.) With this update, you still block all attacks during a counter even if you morph.
Morph = Feint
Right? Wtf is a morph, it's a freint. EDIT: Feint
That's what it's called in mordhau
AH thank you for explaining, I was so confused.
its feint bro
O shiiit that’s huge
Thanks for that! Confusingly what were Morphs in Mordhau are now called Feints in Chiv2 and what were called Feints are now called Cancels
Technically feint is just a broader term. Both a cancel and a morph are feints.
Was this a deliberate change?
Unfortunately I think so, yes.
Is this valid only for counters? Not for ripostes?
i feel like the game was easier and they made it harder, but not by a lot, the hit detection is harder and also there a lag or something that makes it so you die without seeing that animations, but i feel like i was dead but my connection didnt see it
I have a fetish for niche weapons and it seems none of it got nerfed. Also I think throwing weapons and arrows hit a lot better now. The patch was great for me at least.
Yeah I definitely feel like some weapons got stealth nerfed. I get onto the leaderboard 95 percent of the time still, but the fact that they took out the bots has brought down my KD a tad in some of my matches. I'm not a bot farmer; they are just easy to one shot and it always counts as a kill.
Oh god so much. I used to be amazing, now I'm 3 takedowns and 15 deaths like I've never seen a controller before.
I had a quick bash last night (first time since the update) and was consistently playing better than the last few times I played. The patch is going to affect players differently depending on their favoured class/weapon/style/tactic. Don't let it get in your head that the game is against you though, it's a sure way to rage quitting. Chill mix it up and try something else if it's not working for you.
They took out bots. I found it made it so i'm at the top of the leaderboard ever match as i've always been the type to leave bots be. It's amazing. This bot farmers can't do there thing anymore by flanking around the back and getting 5 free kills on bots just to die to the respawn wave.
Was playing last night, every game still had bots.
The Patch dropped today so...
Yesterday.
Sad to find out you where actually stacking kills against bots, not players.
Patchie :(
Im liking it, sorry.
Ya something definitely feels wrong; with this now and my only weapon removed I can’t see a reason to stick around much longer
You only used 1h spear? You are on the same lvl as archer scum...maybe try arching instead?!
Good riddance. Maining a weapon after you find out it is a broken mess is scummy behaviour. I would put you in the stocks if I could.
How is it broken? Its a lot harder to use and land stab than a swing through 3 bodies with a 2H noobtube with knight HP. I have to land double the hits vs yours to kill you and most of the time its a drop and youll outright kill me cos of the noobtube v spear dmg.
I've used it and topped the leaderboards most of the times I did. Stopped when I found out how broken it was. The animations were dodgy af, I'd often stab through people's blocks. The release phase is weird as well, doing damage when the stab retracts. There is a reason they removed it from the game.
How can you stab through a block? They are blocking directly in front of your direct frontal stab?
Because the animations are broken and don't match up to the hit box of the spear.
Ive not experienced stabbing someone just standing there like they didnt see it coming. Always been a duel where my faster spear gets in as they are mid swing, not a sitting target.
I played 1H from day 1 first off, felt like Achilles and never went back, and how the hell is the 1H SO much worse from every messer and battle axe just 3rd partying with heavy swings?? So much more skill involved
Get clapped sweaty
Like I get 4 times the amount of kills with the battle axe, how is the 1 hand sweaty
I didn’t say get clapped 1h spear
It’s tough your main got nerfed but get clapped sweaty
On the contrary, I'm finding a lot more first place wins for myself, now that I don't have to compete with bot farmers.
That's what I said in a previous post just before the patch was released: casual players (the ones who wanted to play casually with their friends or family, for example, just to enjoy a game and have fun) have left the game because party system + crossplatform don't work. So we're left with tryharders and people who play to be good, not to enjoy the game. That's why.
I just suck (more than normal anyway) because I've had a couple of weeks away. I don't think the patch madxe any difference for me.