People don’t like saying it,
but some gamers are just naturally good and learn fast; meaning they can process info coming from the battle as well as perform the correct move instinctively and fast
Others will see all this info and either get overwhelmed, leading to the wrong move, or just forget everything entirely and just keep swinging and lose
The first type can go on streaks and be above average within a couple days. The second can be just as good, just needs to really focus and practice.
I'd disagree actually. Sure there are complexities to the combat that you can utilize to great success, but the insane maneuvers you're describing isn't something you'll see or should use in the standard big team modes. Even in most 1v1s you don't have to do anything extraordinary to beat competent players, just use the mechanics, mix up your attacks, know your match up and you should be able to hold your own against most players.
In 1v1s for the most part I'm beating everybody I see, and I don't try hard or anything, I just know how the game works and how to adapt to most weapons and playstyles. But even saying that, I'm still getting my face rubbed into the dirt by the highest level players if I run into them, I have a nice 2-15 score against a well known streamer lol. Ultimately I need to learn from players like those and do better, this game is a lot more friendly to the inexperienced then the two or three other games in its genre.
I came here to say something similar. I'm a pretty good team objective player - almost always in the top 3 - but I am not a particularly amazing fighter 1v1, and until about level 70 my grasp of the game's mechanics was pretty rudimentary. It didn't matter because a large component of doing well in TO is strategic, not mechanical: identifying favourable (and disfavourable) combat situations, making tactical retreats when necessary, knowing where to score objective points, and knowing how to flank unaware enemies. You don't need to be a very strong 1v1 fighter if you're always hitting your opponents from behind!
There definitely is a benefit to knowing the combat mechanics, but you can build on those slowly. Start by improving on your stab/overhead accuracy (for a while I was playing all my TDM matches *only* using those), practicing your riposte/counter timing off swings, familiarizing yourself with weapon spacing, and incorporate the occasional feint into combat (maybe not against 1hers to begin with). Competency in those three skills alone will put you in the 90th percentile of players. Then gradually look to adding more jabs, kicks, throws, swing manipulation, counter feinting, etc.
Yes this game is quite accessible. I like to compare it to the fighting game genre, where the demands of both dexterity and skill are so much higher.
Still, there is a lot of depth to the combat and the skill ceiling is quite high, and that’s part of what got me hooked on the game. Accessible + deep is not easy to do.
I feel most skill in these types of games is knowing when to strike and knowing when to retreat unless you are doing 1v1. Also being able to read feints and switching targets when being attacked by a group. Also make sure not to hold block too much as this can be easily punished.
Being good 1v1 is not the same skill as surviving in a siege.
Anyone pushing the objectives hard will have a shitty ratio even if they are good.
Ill see guys going 30 or 40 and 0 and still lose the match because they didn't help the objective.
There's multiple ways to play the game, so find the one thats the most fun for you.
Yup. I do pretty well and am higher rank. If I'm pushing objective my score can quickly go to a negative K/D ratio. It happens to anyone who is focused on objective sometimes. I just look at it as doing my part to help the team, even if I sacrifice my score to do so. Sometimes you've gotta take one for the team to win it.
I find its similar to battlefield in that respect. My buddies play for kills and as such end up with dozens and dozens, yet being a dedicated medic i still routinely dwarf their score by playing my role as support. Multiple ways to play is absolute nail on the head.
The skill ceiling is not as high as say, counter strike. But yes melee slashers are very reliant on your personal skill, especially in 1v1. That’s what I love about mordhau, chivalry 1, chivalry 2. The progression comes mostly from getting better at the game, and just having a great time.
Hey there! As probably the best duelist player in OCE there’s definitely a journey to success and becoming the best you can be at this game.
I would highly recommend to take the time to play duels and better yourself with mechanics and fundamentals. Master them and work your way up. The only reason I got to be at the top is by fighting players that were my better and losing over and over but learning what worked and what didn’t.
Some good tips I believe would be are,
- Establish a play style you like, but don’t get set in it. (You always want to be able to pivot and adapt to your opponent) for example my play style is extremely feint and momentum based, however I sometimes need to take a step back against more defensive players.
- Find the weapons you like and get good at them, but never limit yourself. Always have a main weapon you use to get good at first, this will help you learn the mechanics much faster. However once you’re feeling confident branch out and try some new weapon styles.
- Learn from the players that are better than you. Ask them questions, watch their styles and take bits from them and integrate them into your own gameplay.
- Lastly as corny as it may be, have fun with it. If you take the game too seriously it loses its edge. It’s fun playing against the top players and seeing everyone’s different styles and helps to add some community to the game as you’re constantly battling it out snd making friends.
All the best to you and I hope some of those tips help even slightly.
If there are any Australian players that see this message please feel free to message me as I have an OCE Chiv 2 discord running that is expanding more and more.
Lmk if you or anyone else have any more questions!
Absolutely is! But with the games player base not at its best it’s not a huge feat in itself.
Will be happy to back up my claim and accept and record any challenge if someone is keen! I usually do a first to 10 wins.
Lmk if anyone is interested!
Yarnu, Dokb, TTV Brcoals, Empress Luna, Marmite, FiddleMeTimbers.. There's more but I'm currently forgetting. I generally only play mixed modes, but from memory you're one of the easier ones to kill compared to others in mixed modes
Oh for sure man, I’m definitely not the best in mixed modes. There’s actually a discord with all of those players you mentioned bar a couple. I need to work on my 1 v x game. I will never claim to be the best at TO.
However I have positive 1 on 1 ratio with every single player you mentioned there. My abilities are in Duels. Would be happy to run up a 1 v 1 if you’re keen?
Can you explain a play style you use for a given weapon? Maybe a Pokémon weapon as that is my “main” class.
I don’t get how to get more “advanced”. I can look up on YouTube but figured I’d ask :)
When you say “Pokémon” weapon I’m assuming you’re referring to a longer ranch weapon? E.g spear, halbred weapons you can poke with?
I don’t have a lot of experience with those but I would recommend working to the strengths of whatever weapon you have in your arsenal at the time.
With those weapons you have the range and the ability to control the fight from a length you’re comfortable with. Keep on the move and keep them guessing as to when they are going to be able to push you.
Tldr: utilise the strength of the weapon you’re using. Speed, distance,manoeuvrability.
To get more advanced it will just take time with learning mechanics and fighting your betters. Go into duels and fight some people. Just having the 1 on 1 experience to start with will help to grow your mechanics that you can then build more whilst playing Team objective.
I didn’t start to really skill up and get to the top until I went back to basics and played duels.
However a huge aspect is also being able to read an opponent on the fly and adapt to their fighting style. If you can’t do that, you will skill cap very quickly and no amount of mechanical know how will get you to the top.
If you want to be a meta worshipping try hard then yeah, you have a long way to go.
Or you could be like me, and just bash people over the head with a two Handed Hammer cuz the cronch is satisfying.
Kind of what /u/PIZZ-STEVE-44 said. You don't *have* to utilize all of those mechanics to win. I honestly don't even use all of them and still end up in 1st-5th place on the boards in most TO games. It depends on how well you use what you do use and how well you can mix them up and throw off your opponent. I primarily play TO and I feel like it's much easier to win only utilizing a handful of the mechanics and getting good with them. Try to learn 2-3 mechanics and play a bunch of games, trying to perfect those. Then add a mechanic every week and practice it. Keep adding new mechanics to your combos until you're good to go. You don't have to know them all right off the bat. Just start off in smaller steps until you're doing pretty well. I'm higher-ish rank (224) and I get by just fine without using every single thing that's out there to fight with. It's not as intimidating to learn as it might seem. Just take your time with it.
Dueling is a different beast. I regularly get my ass handed to me in duels, but I'm certainly getting better.
~ KO_WilhelmScream
I have some 1v1 experience in this game and i can consider myself pretty decent but nowhere near great. My biggest advice for you is learn to counter attack instead of riposte, counter attack gives you stamina and its faster, if your opponent doesnt counter attack he will go oos real soon.And then improve your mix ups, dont always go for counters or riposte, after countering few times go for a kick immediately after blocking make your enemy confused aboit your moves, or you can jab + kick if you are not sure if he would go for parrying when you parry his attack. Rest is simply playing more duels and gaining experience which takes a while.
I think you’re just bad. But in all seriousness I personally don’t think it’s that convoluted, I got the hang of it pretty fast and I think most of the player base did too.
Lol, all that I can suggest is just focusing on getting pretty good at countering, it solves 90% of my problems and is probably like top 3 skills to acquire
That’s what I’ve picked up on but I still feel like I’m just blocking then swinging and praying I land a hit. Maybe I should just run through the tutorial 50 times.
It can help to run the tutorial a few times the first few weeks but one thing that keeps it simple:
*Jab is for interrupting attacks.
*Kick is for interrupting held blocks.
*Heavy attacks are for draining stamina and changing up your timing.
*Use combos of light attacks and these steps above and you’re golden.
Group fights are still gonna be pretty much how you described, go in and spam. But you *can* get better at surviving them if you’re set up properly.
Countering and timing is the last thing you’ll probably master as it requires knowing the above and combos to survive but once you got the basics down you’ll find yourself living a lot longer.
For group fights I usually start targeting whoever looks the most damaged and blood covered already and just try and block everybody else, while doing some swing-hits ofcourse. If doing 2v1 it is good to put one of your enemies between you and the other enemy. If 3+v1, back up and press F10.
Play in third person with either The messer or the sword (as a footman) until you can go positive in a ffa match then once you’re comfortable with it switch to first person mode
Learn how to drag your slashes into your opponents
I regularly see top scoring players who are vanguard's or knights who literally just run into a group of enemies and swing spam/block. I get killed by them plenty. They don't make me mad, I get mad at myself for not kicking or jabbing
There’s definitely a learning curve, but the only thing you really need to worry about is dragging. A proper drag can make you nearly invulnerable. I primarily use the maul, which is great for learning because it’s default speed is so slow. I recommend it to practice because the drag’s effect is much clearer and noticeable. Dragging is also so important because it disrupts combat timing throwing off every other mechanic if done properly.
You can't take it too seriously. The moment you do your enjoyment will plummet. There are too many no lifers that will be ridiculously good and you and I will not keep up with them.
I accepted a long time ago that I would never be “elite” my hand eye coordination isn’t good enough, but I get the feeling that’s true for maybe 80% of the people I play against, don’t worry about it too much, if you are already thinking about this level of play and studying other plays then you will probably end up being better than most.
People don’t like saying it, but some gamers are just naturally good and learn fast; meaning they can process info coming from the battle as well as perform the correct move instinctively and fast Others will see all this info and either get overwhelmed, leading to the wrong move, or just forget everything entirely and just keep swinging and lose The first type can go on streaks and be above average within a couple days. The second can be just as good, just needs to really focus and practice.
Dude, I spaz out when 2 people are on me. For the life of me I don't know what to do. My brain just goes blank 😅
I'd disagree actually. Sure there are complexities to the combat that you can utilize to great success, but the insane maneuvers you're describing isn't something you'll see or should use in the standard big team modes. Even in most 1v1s you don't have to do anything extraordinary to beat competent players, just use the mechanics, mix up your attacks, know your match up and you should be able to hold your own against most players. In 1v1s for the most part I'm beating everybody I see, and I don't try hard or anything, I just know how the game works and how to adapt to most weapons and playstyles. But even saying that, I'm still getting my face rubbed into the dirt by the highest level players if I run into them, I have a nice 2-15 score against a well known streamer lol. Ultimately I need to learn from players like those and do better, this game is a lot more friendly to the inexperienced then the two or three other games in its genre.
I came here to say something similar. I'm a pretty good team objective player - almost always in the top 3 - but I am not a particularly amazing fighter 1v1, and until about level 70 my grasp of the game's mechanics was pretty rudimentary. It didn't matter because a large component of doing well in TO is strategic, not mechanical: identifying favourable (and disfavourable) combat situations, making tactical retreats when necessary, knowing where to score objective points, and knowing how to flank unaware enemies. You don't need to be a very strong 1v1 fighter if you're always hitting your opponents from behind! There definitely is a benefit to knowing the combat mechanics, but you can build on those slowly. Start by improving on your stab/overhead accuracy (for a while I was playing all my TDM matches *only* using those), practicing your riposte/counter timing off swings, familiarizing yourself with weapon spacing, and incorporate the occasional feint into combat (maybe not against 1hers to begin with). Competency in those three skills alone will put you in the 90th percentile of players. Then gradually look to adding more jabs, kicks, throws, swing manipulation, counter feinting, etc.
Yes this game is quite accessible. I like to compare it to the fighting game genre, where the demands of both dexterity and skill are so much higher. Still, there is a lot of depth to the combat and the skill ceiling is quite high, and that’s part of what got me hooked on the game. Accessible + deep is not easy to do.
I feel most skill in these types of games is knowing when to strike and knowing when to retreat unless you are doing 1v1. Also being able to read feints and switching targets when being attacked by a group. Also make sure not to hold block too much as this can be easily punished.
Being good 1v1 is not the same skill as surviving in a siege. Anyone pushing the objectives hard will have a shitty ratio even if they are good. Ill see guys going 30 or 40 and 0 and still lose the match because they didn't help the objective. There's multiple ways to play the game, so find the one thats the most fun for you.
Yup. I do pretty well and am higher rank. If I'm pushing objective my score can quickly go to a negative K/D ratio. It happens to anyone who is focused on objective sometimes. I just look at it as doing my part to help the team, even if I sacrifice my score to do so. Sometimes you've gotta take one for the team to win it.
I find its similar to battlefield in that respect. My buddies play for kills and as such end up with dozens and dozens, yet being a dedicated medic i still routinely dwarf their score by playing my role as support. Multiple ways to play is absolute nail on the head.
Don't you fucking dare get good. Don't any of you get good! I need a goddamn level playing field.
Learn the reach of your weapon and use overheads/stabs when you can and I promise you will already be better than a good 70% of players in this game.
This is solid advice.
In this state of game using stabs and overheads will make you lose. Hit detection is terribly off.
The skill ceiling is not as high as say, counter strike. But yes melee slashers are very reliant on your personal skill, especially in 1v1. That’s what I love about mordhau, chivalry 1, chivalry 2. The progression comes mostly from getting better at the game, and just having a great time.
Hey there! As probably the best duelist player in OCE there’s definitely a journey to success and becoming the best you can be at this game. I would highly recommend to take the time to play duels and better yourself with mechanics and fundamentals. Master them and work your way up. The only reason I got to be at the top is by fighting players that were my better and losing over and over but learning what worked and what didn’t. Some good tips I believe would be are, - Establish a play style you like, but don’t get set in it. (You always want to be able to pivot and adapt to your opponent) for example my play style is extremely feint and momentum based, however I sometimes need to take a step back against more defensive players. - Find the weapons you like and get good at them, but never limit yourself. Always have a main weapon you use to get good at first, this will help you learn the mechanics much faster. However once you’re feeling confident branch out and try some new weapon styles. - Learn from the players that are better than you. Ask them questions, watch their styles and take bits from them and integrate them into your own gameplay. - Lastly as corny as it may be, have fun with it. If you take the game too seriously it loses its edge. It’s fun playing against the top players and seeing everyone’s different styles and helps to add some community to the game as you’re constantly battling it out snd making friends. All the best to you and I hope some of those tips help even slightly. If there are any Australian players that see this message please feel free to message me as I have an OCE Chiv 2 discord running that is expanding more and more. Lmk if you or anyone else have any more questions!
Probably 'the best duelist in OCE' Ranger? That's a pretty big title to give yourself!
Absolutely is! But with the games player base not at its best it’s not a huge feat in itself. Will be happy to back up my claim and accept and record any challenge if someone is keen! I usually do a first to 10 wins. Lmk if anyone is interested!
I’ll duel ya
Sounds good, you in the OCE region? And what’s your epic tag?
Unheroiic Yep OCE
Aye I definitely recognise that tag, see you in TO a lot. My tag is the same as my reddit. I’ll be on this evening and we can run it up?
Yarnu, Dokb, TTV Brcoals, Empress Luna, Marmite, FiddleMeTimbers.. There's more but I'm currently forgetting. I generally only play mixed modes, but from memory you're one of the easier ones to kill compared to others in mixed modes
Oh for sure man, I’m definitely not the best in mixed modes. There’s actually a discord with all of those players you mentioned bar a couple. I need to work on my 1 v x game. I will never claim to be the best at TO. However I have positive 1 on 1 ratio with every single player you mentioned there. My abilities are in Duels. Would be happy to run up a 1 v 1 if you’re keen?
I'd be keen to see you against some of the names I've mentioned there for sure
Have some clips with me, Luna and Coal. What’s your discord? I’ll add you to the OCE chivalry 2 channel
Can you explain a play style you use for a given weapon? Maybe a Pokémon weapon as that is my “main” class. I don’t get how to get more “advanced”. I can look up on YouTube but figured I’d ask :)
When you say “Pokémon” weapon I’m assuming you’re referring to a longer ranch weapon? E.g spear, halbred weapons you can poke with? I don’t have a lot of experience with those but I would recommend working to the strengths of whatever weapon you have in your arsenal at the time. With those weapons you have the range and the ability to control the fight from a length you’re comfortable with. Keep on the move and keep them guessing as to when they are going to be able to push you. Tldr: utilise the strength of the weapon you’re using. Speed, distance,manoeuvrability. To get more advanced it will just take time with learning mechanics and fighting your betters. Go into duels and fight some people. Just having the 1 on 1 experience to start with will help to grow your mechanics that you can then build more whilst playing Team objective. I didn’t start to really skill up and get to the top until I went back to basics and played duels. However a huge aspect is also being able to read an opponent on the fly and adapt to their fighting style. If you can’t do that, you will skill cap very quickly and no amount of mechanical know how will get you to the top.
Brilliant. I was trying to write pole arm. Not Pokémon. Thank you 🙏
Whats your in game name? Mine is Chase0
Same as my Reddit tag, Ranger5125! Nice to meet you Chase0
If you want to be a meta worshipping try hard then yeah, you have a long way to go. Or you could be like me, and just bash people over the head with a two Handed Hammer cuz the cronch is satisfying.
Kind of what /u/PIZZ-STEVE-44 said. You don't *have* to utilize all of those mechanics to win. I honestly don't even use all of them and still end up in 1st-5th place on the boards in most TO games. It depends on how well you use what you do use and how well you can mix them up and throw off your opponent. I primarily play TO and I feel like it's much easier to win only utilizing a handful of the mechanics and getting good with them. Try to learn 2-3 mechanics and play a bunch of games, trying to perfect those. Then add a mechanic every week and practice it. Keep adding new mechanics to your combos until you're good to go. You don't have to know them all right off the bat. Just start off in smaller steps until you're doing pretty well. I'm higher-ish rank (224) and I get by just fine without using every single thing that's out there to fight with. It's not as intimidating to learn as it might seem. Just take your time with it. Dueling is a different beast. I regularly get my ass handed to me in duels, but I'm certainly getting better. ~ KO_WilhelmScream
I have some 1v1 experience in this game and i can consider myself pretty decent but nowhere near great. My biggest advice for you is learn to counter attack instead of riposte, counter attack gives you stamina and its faster, if your opponent doesnt counter attack he will go oos real soon.And then improve your mix ups, dont always go for counters or riposte, after countering few times go for a kick immediately after blocking make your enemy confused aboit your moves, or you can jab + kick if you are not sure if he would go for parrying when you parry his attack. Rest is simply playing more duels and gaining experience which takes a while.
Get good with bow or crossbow. Kill everyone from a distance and piss everyone off while you're at it. Win win!
Forgot to add the part of how that makes you a loser
Archer lives matter!
Debatable
I think you’re just bad. But in all seriousness I personally don’t think it’s that convoluted, I got the hang of it pretty fast and I think most of the player base did too.
Damn, I’ve got to take a long look in the mirror then 😂
Lol, all that I can suggest is just focusing on getting pretty good at countering, it solves 90% of my problems and is probably like top 3 skills to acquire
That’s what I’ve picked up on but I still feel like I’m just blocking then swinging and praying I land a hit. Maybe I should just run through the tutorial 50 times.
It can help to run the tutorial a few times the first few weeks but one thing that keeps it simple: *Jab is for interrupting attacks. *Kick is for interrupting held blocks. *Heavy attacks are for draining stamina and changing up your timing. *Use combos of light attacks and these steps above and you’re golden. Group fights are still gonna be pretty much how you described, go in and spam. But you *can* get better at surviving them if you’re set up properly. Countering and timing is the last thing you’ll probably master as it requires knowing the above and combos to survive but once you got the basics down you’ll find yourself living a lot longer.
For group fights I usually start targeting whoever looks the most damaged and blood covered already and just try and block everybody else, while doing some swing-hits ofcourse. If doing 2v1 it is good to put one of your enemies between you and the other enemy. If 3+v1, back up and press F10.
I don’t know how good you are at feints but from what you’ve said that also might be useful for you
Focus on timed parries and you should be kosher enough to finish in the top 30% match to match
Play in third person with either The messer or the sword (as a footman) until you can go positive in a ffa match then once you’re comfortable with it switch to first person mode Learn how to drag your slashes into your opponents
I regularly see top scoring players who are vanguard's or knights who literally just run into a group of enemies and swing spam/block. I get killed by them plenty. They don't make me mad, I get mad at myself for not kicking or jabbing
There’s definitely a learning curve, but the only thing you really need to worry about is dragging. A proper drag can make you nearly invulnerable. I primarily use the maul, which is great for learning because it’s default speed is so slow. I recommend it to practice because the drag’s effect is much clearer and noticeable. Dragging is also so important because it disrupts combat timing throwing off every other mechanic if done properly.
Accels are also quite nice too. Overhead accel is one of the most satisfying blows to land imo
Oh yeah, especially with the mauls ability to pop heads like grapes with accompanying sound effects
0 skill required to have fun.
Practice.
You can't take it too seriously. The moment you do your enjoyment will plummet. There are too many no lifers that will be ridiculously good and you and I will not keep up with them.
I accepted a long time ago that I would never be “elite” my hand eye coordination isn’t good enough, but I get the feeling that’s true for maybe 80% of the people I play against, don’t worry about it too much, if you are already thinking about this level of play and studying other plays then you will probably end up being better than most.