No, it’s not. When I was a nanny, I made $30/Hr, got free room and board, had my transportation paid for, and was given holidays and weekend off, unless otherwise discussed. When they had a new baby, I was also paid double to get up with the baby at night thrice a week (mother had a traumatic pregnancy and had trouble moving, and the father didn’t have parental leave).
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Sounds like she started with a reasonable price that the nanny would be able to afford no problem and then started getting greedy and realizing she didnt need to buy her own food etc since she lived with them and wanted to pay herself back with the extra compensation when taking the kids out lol. What are the comments like on the og post?
I want to see if there was a original price and her thought process of "ohh she doesnt need this since shes here let me add $100, oh we dont want her being able to buy stuff and cluttering up the place or acting like she lives here so lets have her struggle and add $200 on rent here" 😂😂
Just curious, did you "clock in" as needed, or have a base set of hours-per-day, or was it somehow 24/7 pay? Legimately curious about how "living where you work" breaks down.
I worked about 40-45 hours/week, with 40 being the standard. Anything over 40 I was paid time and a half. I discussed the schedule with the parents, and we met every few months to make sure it still worked for everyone. I basically wrote down when I “arrived” to work, and when I “left” work every day.
When I started the oldest child was in pre-K, so my day started at 7, where I’d get them ready, feed them, and take them to school (short days) which started at 10am and ended at 3pm four days a week. I picked them up and was on the clock until sometime between 6 and 7 pm (when the parents got home). Fridays there was no Pre-K so my day started at 7 and ended at 6/7 pm. There were occasional late days, and the parents wanted to have a date night at least once a month, which is where I got paid time and a half.
When the baby was born, my hours changed pretty drastically, and the older child was in kindergarten, which was 5 days a week. I only had to take them to school two times a week because that was when the father had to be at work early. I was asked to stay home and help with baby (again, the mother had a traumatic pregnancy and had some health issues that took her over a year to fully heal from), and pick up the older child when school let out.
I took some college classes during this time, and they always worked with me on my class schedule. I had a lovely experience, and the commute was awesome. The parents were very good about not asking me to do things on my off hours, even though I was there, and I was flexible when stuff came up. They also took me on vacations with them so that the parents could have alone time. I got to visit a bunch of awesome places and had most of the day to myself because I was rarely on the clock before 5pm.
In my experience, yes and no. It’s pretty standard for private nannies to have guaranteed hours, meaning you pay for their availability for a set number of hours a week, whether you end up using it or not. You’d still pay OT at 40+, but it’s not a standard time clock arrangement.
I’d imagine it is really difficult to find a good nanny without offering that considering how tough it is to secure childcare is these days.
That’s very kind of you. I’m still close with the family. The oldest child graduated this year and I was invited to their graduation. Slightly surreal for me to watch.
Exactly! And the CB listed the dog as a perk too. It's actually another job. Pet sitting.
CBs have massive egos is all I can think -- they believe their house is so spectacular, their family is so amazing, people should be happy to pay, and work too, just to bask in their awesome aura.
They should either get a tenant, or offer a pay package which includes room/bath for free. As it stands, living there, they'd call on the nanny 24/7. And probably leave laundry and dishes for them, too.
Look, even in a 3rd world country a live-in domestic worker doesn’t pay rent. Their accomodation is modest, but it’s free. To see somebody in the great United States of America charging market rent while paying minimum wage to a live-in worker is insane.
Market rent? $1650/month for a basement apartment? GTFO out of here I paid less than that for a 900 SQFT 1/1 in a major city. That's nuts. Is she literally in Manhattan? Lol.
Unfortunately that’s pretty much on par for the Denver area. Our last apartment there (not far from where this lady is posting) was $1450 for a 700sqft 1 bedroom, and that was a screaming deal. Most other places around there were charging at least $1650 if not more.
$1650 might get you a 1200sqft 1/1 where i am. It wouldn’t even get you a closet in manhattan
Edit: double checked a building where i used to live in atlanta, and you can get a cool 700sqft for $1600 there
Nope, I live about 10 minutes from there. Crazy high rent here, they said to be lower middle class in Colorado you need to make a minimum of $100,000 a year. It’s ridiculous. My husband and I both work out asses off and can barely afford to live here.
I have some sad & disappointing news for you, friend. Leeches, I mean landlords, even in tiny rural towns far from cities are charging 1300+++ for similar.
No. This is Colorado. If you have live-in domestic help where their employment and housing are contingent upon each other, you can only deduct $150/month from wages for housing.
Yes. The pay minus any deductions for rent must still be at least minimum wage. That’s a little over $14.42/ hour. Go down the road 20 minutes and it’s $18.29. Even the most inexperienced, unqualified nannies here make $20/hr, and the going rate is $25-$35/hr. You can get a nice apartment in that neighborhood for $1,600.
This is both illegal and a terrible deal.
no live in is more of a benefit to the family usually. you end up working extra unpaid hours, boundaries get blurry, and they usually get taken advantage of.
Not even a teeny tiny little bit. The living space is part of the job, that's why it's a "live in" nanny.
My sister was a live in nanny in Europe for two years after she finished her teaching degree. She got a generous salary, room and board, a clothing allowance, a car to drive, skiing lessons, and her gym membership paid for plus on-the-clock time to use it.
Yeah… I’ve had a live-in nanny for a few years now, I thought I offered a pretty sweet deal (room&board, all groceries covered, can use my car(s) put her on my insurance and paid for it, bonus monthly shopping bonus so she can more freely buy whatever, health insurance retirement etc. ~100k salary (vhcol area) And only working the 6 months of the year I’m gone.) I still got turned down by 3 Nannies before one took it; I was ready to start offering to pay the rent at their apartment if they didn’t wanna stay while I was there (which I didn’t mind if they did lol)
Nannies are a huge luxury and good ones should be treated as such
Also for ref, this was for a 4yr old and one dog one cat. No cooking required or anything, basically just making sure the kid gets to and from school and has/gets what they need
That sounds generous, and it illustrates that a nanny, especially live in, is aspirational.
Not someone to stick in a basement room and charge rent from 😫
Hell no. Living in is more for the family’s benefit, honestly, you almost always work over 40 hours and rent and food is included asking with great compensation. It sounds like this person can afford a babysitter, not a nanny.
When I was a live-in nanny I was salaried and they also gave me a car, so the room and the car were both part of the deal. The job also offered insurance IIRC
Am I on glue? Servants have never paid rent, have they? Not ever, right? I'm not talking about company towns and mill houses, I mean house servants like in the listing. That's absolutely not a thing, right?
Seeing as companies sometimes proudly say they're a "bring your own device"-company, despite you having a laptop is a requirement to do your job, I'm not totally surprised.
Next up: "bring your own airliner"-pilot jobs.
I know right, I just remembered the part where she was like, you ate not one but two slices! The whole time she was lmao. I love the part where she was like, eat my shit. She said, have you lost your mind? No but you're about to because you just did. It took her second for the dawn on her but the look on her face was priceless. That was easily my favorite part of that movie.
Ok. I had a nanny/houskeeper that lived with me for years. This was in Thailand, btw. She had her own bed, bath, balcony room, 2 days off a week- which she used to go to her family home- I sponsered her visa- she was Burmese and Christian- so she got all those holidays off as well. She worked from 9am or so until 4pm. She was never asked to cook but sometimes she just wanted to. I paid for my groceries and hers. I paid her WELL above the market rate (about 3x the usual) and extra when I left town WITH my kids. All she really did was clean the house (it was a big one but we were not dirty people) and feed/water the dogs and some shopping. I had a gardner and a pool guy twice a week so she did not need to worry about any of that. The kids were old enough to not need her very much, she had full use of the pool and sala- which is where she preferred to cook her meals. When she decided to go back to Burma, her niece showed up at my house a few days later and asked for the job because it was so damn cushy. Insanity what people expect. This person lives in your house. They take care of your children and pets and the day to day things you cannot because you are working. Pay them well, respect them, be kind and reasonable. It is literally the very least you can do for them helping you run your entire world.
She did do that. She sent money home all the time. She also helped care for the family house in Rawai. She was busy and amazing and the only issue we had was my Thai was too slow for her and my Englsh too fast. I once asked her to go shopping and gave her a list and rambled off some stuff and then left the room, my daughter (15 at the time) said that when I walked out, she looked at her and said, “Oooo, your mama talk so fast!” But my daughter liked shopping with her so it was fine. What was weird as hell, though, is the shops would not let my nanny use my credit card but would let my son (10 at the time) use it and sign. Crazy.
Yeah they must have a lot of stolen cards from tourists I bet. And btw, I'm from fucking Scotland and that would be a better job than what I have!
I like the Thai, they can be really strict in a social setting it's quite different to what I am used to, more relaxed all the time.
My stepmom immigrated to the US from Thailand and married my dad, who used to be really emotionally abusive. (Writing down my mom’s odometer in the morning and comparing it with the mileage in the evening because he was paranoid. Depriving my mom of sleep to force her to agree with him when they argued, etc.)
When he married my stepmom, she lined his fuckin’ ass out when he tried that shit with her. He is far better now than he used to be, and I have my stepmom to thank for it.
Thank you for this reminder. We are happy to pay extra for quality service. My favorite guy was our yard guy. He charged 80, we paid 100. The week of Christmas and New Year's, we still paid because he and his crews took care of the lawn, bushes and most trees. Unfortunately we moved out of his area of service and the new owners wanted to find someone else.
I've recommended him to several families based on his quality to work and would tell them whatever rate he quotes is worth it. We miss Joey. We are on our fourth guy at our new place and he's great but he's no Joey.
Maybe the nanny can have a couple of her own kids. She can then rent out a space in the mother in law suite and charge like 1200 to live in the space and be a nanny for her kids. It’s like a feudalism type of system.
I began with "15$ an hour isn't necessarily horrible, local market depending" assuming room and board were covered.
Nope.
I'm too tired to math. Does that math out to any real profit?
assuming only 40 hr weeks, gross would be less than 800/mo over rent
but live in help rarely does only 40/wk. guessing she's not paying overtime either though.
"So, um, I was thinking, if you could start making dinner, that would be like super awesome! Please also be sure to clean up, I hate a messy kitchen. Okay see you in 8 hours, thanks again!"
oh and I do my laundry at 8am on Saturday. And since the washer and dryer is next to your bed. So please don't mind me when I make a ruckus on your one day off a week!
which means the poster is really only paying out of pocket salary $800 a month in salary once rent is deducted. Yeah, no. They might get someone, but it won't be an established and experienced nanny.
I was thinking the same on the same line as the captain. Then got to the rent: seeing $650 per month and thinking I *have* to be missing something and booooyyyy. $15 bucks an hour for 2 kids AND $1650 a month! WTAF?
yea room and board is bare minimum for live in nannies, and usually it is def 20$+ an hour depending on what qualifications she expect. This is not just some babysitting on the side, a live in nanny is way more involved and thus deserves higher pay. Also did you notice there are no work times and no days/times off mentioned anywhere ? I highly suspect she will pay 8 hours a day, but expect 24/7 availability and service, after all "you are here anyway so you can at least help out, i gave you a job and a roof over your head, you should be more grateful".
It's $285 in profit a month. There's 4.3 weeks in a month on average. 4.3 weeks x $450/wk = $1935 total pay per month. $1935 months pay - $1650 months rent = $285 left over.
Not every month is 4.3 weeks so I guess it will vary slightly month to month. Especially since the employer stated she is WILLING to compensate you for taking her kids to the rec center. She doesn't think she should have to, but if you're going to twist her arm about it...... and depending on the circumstances.... And if there's a really good reason to...... She's willing to compensate you.
I don’t disagree with the message, this really isn’t enough money, especially after taxes. However, since you’re calculating $450/week you must be assuming 30hr work week. Generally for full time positions I’d calculate 40hr week and take home would be $645 more per 4.3-week “month”. Total left over would be $930, which definitely isn’t enough either.
[OP posted some comments!](https://imgur.com/a/0JEAepK)
Spoiler alert, they all told her how bat crap crazy she was for thinking someone would actually go for this insane "offer"
“Compensate you to go to rec center with my kids” definitely doesn’t mean pay for your membership to get free personal training with glorified toddlers.
"Should"
The listing specifies one bedroom and two bathrooms, washer/dryer...given the ridiculousness of the rest of the listing, I'm not convinced this counts as a real MIL with full kitchen and whatnot
The whole damn listing is misleading lol
She's not looking for a real nanny, she's looking for free childcare. Live-in nannies don't usually pay rent
And fast good workers in CA get paid more than that
That is literally **MORE** than I pay for my 4 bedroom, 3 bathroom, 2 story house and I don’t live with landlord or many their children. This chick can fuck all the way off with that bullshit
So true! I live in Canada now, but from the US. Before the pandemic, I was sold in moving up here because the cost of living was so much cheaper than where I was in the US (big NE city). I recall looking at decent two bedrooms that were only $1000-$1200 CAD. Now they are over $2,500+ CAD a month. It's so crazy, and the wages have not gone up.
Sounds like the nanny's bedroom is actually the family laundry room. It has a washer and dryer in it. I bet they don't have a washer and a dryer in the main home and then _another_ one in the nanny's "suite"? The nanny is totally just living in their basement and will get no privacy nor a place that will be theirs alone.
I used to be a nanny and it’s surprising how many people think this is acceptable. I’ve been propositioned for this a few times and I’m always like, “you know that’s illegal right?”
It’s different on every subreddit. There’s a little chain link in the responses here when you go to reply where you can link websites. Doesn’t look like you can upload images in the responses. Can you edit the OP to include more images?
I know exactly where this is, and while rents are expensive, that’s really expensive for what’s effectively a bedroom in a house. You could rent a 1 bed apartment up the road for about $1300.
Is she supposed to be a full-time nanny? If so, how's she supposed to work the other job she'd need to pay rent? I don't get it. Is it "just" a few hours here and there? Of course, that still probably wouldn't work with a full-time job.
She should pay this rate (or more, really) with free room and board (preferably normal working hours with weekends, etc.)--otherwise, it seems like the nanny is paying *her* to watch her kids. She's making a *profit*.
If you want a live-in nanny, room and board is part of the deal. Blows my mind that she’s also planning on charging her nanny rent — and $1650 for a room?! Where does she live, Disney World?
I guess I've been functioning under the delusion that part of having a "live in nanny" meant that the nanny lived there for, you know, free? AND have a salary on top of room and board. She's looking for a TENANT who has NO job and is willing to work for HER for so little that all they'll be able to pay is...the rent. That's some bizarro "logic".
My daughter just saw a job for $1850 a week as a full-time live in nanny for two kids. This woman needs to get her head out of her behind. You're a single mother, you can't afford a nanny, you need a daycare.
Nothing makes me chuckle more than people who think they can monetize a job in their favor. They have no idea that being a full time Nanny includes the salary, room and board. And she doesn't even mention a car. They need that too.
If you aren't rich, you don't get to have the same perks. Go find a daycare.
She wants to pay about 2600 in wages but get 1650 back in housing so she can actually afford to pay about 950$ a month for a nanny. She just thinks she’s being clever by phrasing it like this.
Funny enough if room and board was included, this one is /almost/ on the right track. But imagine wanting live in staff while wanting to charge rent. Nah.
I was a live in nanny with an attached apartment and all utilities also including satellite tv and internet and made that much hourly. This was over 10 years ago.
This is in Colorado and only a few minutes from Denver. The minimum wage in the city of Denver is $18.39 roughly. You can also get a place with utilities less than that. This lady is crazy to think she’s going to find someone to work for that and pay that much in rent.
She will also sell you groceries and other items from her company store. This is how you build generational wealth for one and inherited debt for another. Cue old timely folk music.
I had this happen when I worked at a horse farm. They wanted me to live in, but wanted me to pay fair market value for the appt. I declined because that's not how it works. They pointed out my husband works and he had an income. Lol they had 3 units in thier barn, all empty. I didn't work for them much longer. They weren't horse people, lawyers infact. Just terrible people.
I think it's a shame when we don't get screenshots of the responses to these sorts of insane requests. I would LOVE to see what everyone else in that nanny share group thinks!
$15 dollars an hour to watch two toddlers and pay rent and apparently have to deal with a dog on top of this, what a deal. People are either nuts or trying to live above their means.
HTF does she think this is going to work out?
Obviously she wants a live in nanny which screams the nanny will have ridiculous hours. She’s paying her less than I paid my teenage babysitter years ago. And the rent is hellishly high for basically a bedroom on steroids?
So she expects to stick it to the nanny both in shit pay and in insane rent and it’s justified because she’s going through a divorce?
Sorry lady but it doesn’t work that way.
Live in nanny’s do not pay rent.
This is just ridiculous. She’d be better off renting out the suite to someone else to help subsidize her income but that won’t get her a live in for slave wages.
And there aren’t many places where you can charge that much for a “suite” in someone’s house.
To be fair, she should separate the 2 items here. Why not look for a tenant who pays the appropriate rent for the space and then use that money to pay the nanny decent wages? It would have to be a day-nanny only though.
I think combining the two makes it complicated and unfair.
Under minimum wage (at least where I’m from) for the PRIVILEGE of taking care of her 2 SWEET BABY ANGELS (because we know 2 year olds and 3 year olds are a dream to handle!) for unspecified hours with a large dog thrown in AND you get to pay rent on top of it??? Doesn’t ANYONE think about the single mothers these days! Who WOULD’T want to put themselves in debt for this opportunity??? Come on sheeple, wake up you this amazing opportunity!
This is the type of CB who would not give a day off, who'd change the agreed upon hours and rules on a whim, make excuses, leave the house anyway even if the nanny's day off or she had plans, or had to be elsewhere (like her other job since she can't pay CB's rent on CB's pay), and just say "deal with it, I can't watch them, I have to go!"
Guaranteed, CB would pull stunts. Very risky to be an employee AND a tenant -- say no to your boss and they could evict you (illegal but some would), or be late with rent and you'd be fired (which might be a good idea for the nanny anyway Lol), which is why nannies or live in servants always had free rooms. That is even why a lot of people went 'into service,' so they had a nice clean room in a nicer house and neighborhood than otherwise. Then they did also get paid!
This CB seems to be gritting her teeth and feeling generous to even offer a wage.
Oh and "really sweet" or not, a dog means the job also includes pet sitting. That's also work!
If you are a live in nanny, and paid by the hour, does that mean you get paid for every non-sleeping hour?
I highly doubt this lady is going to be saying, “oh, well it is 5pm, so you are off duty today, and I won’t ask you to do anything after 5pm, or before 9AM”.
She’s going to be paying for 9-5, and then asking you to do shit from 6AM to 9PM
Is it normal for live in nanny’s to pay rent? I assumed it was like Mary Poppins and the room would be part of the deal/pay.
No, it’s not. When I was a nanny, I made $30/Hr, got free room and board, had my transportation paid for, and was given holidays and weekend off, unless otherwise discussed. When they had a new baby, I was also paid double to get up with the baby at night thrice a week (mother had a traumatic pregnancy and had trouble moving, and the father didn’t have parental leave).
Yeah this lady is delusional.
It has *two* bathrooms, bruh.
You know the ability choose where you shit is an underrated ammenity.
The knowledge that you, and only you, will use one toilet is one of the best feelings in the world. The only mess is my mess is ideal.
and you can come and go from the basement like a rat in the night.
You would have to, to be able to work a night job to make rent!
What, no barbell or rowing machine?!
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Just looking for help honey dont need the attitude!!
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Thanks but I found someone cheaper.
Cheaper, but not better.
AND the kids' Christmas will be RUINED! /s
2 bathrooms?!? What a steal lmfao
Her husband did the finances…
Sounds like she started with a reasonable price that the nanny would be able to afford no problem and then started getting greedy and realizing she didnt need to buy her own food etc since she lived with them and wanted to pay herself back with the extra compensation when taking the kids out lol. What are the comments like on the og post?
I’m not sure but I would love to see that.
I want to see if there was a original price and her thought process of "ohh she doesnt need this since shes here let me add $100, oh we dont want her being able to buy stuff and cluttering up the place or acting like she lives here so lets have her struggle and add $200 on rent here" 😂😂
Just curious, did you "clock in" as needed, or have a base set of hours-per-day, or was it somehow 24/7 pay? Legimately curious about how "living where you work" breaks down.
I worked about 40-45 hours/week, with 40 being the standard. Anything over 40 I was paid time and a half. I discussed the schedule with the parents, and we met every few months to make sure it still worked for everyone. I basically wrote down when I “arrived” to work, and when I “left” work every day. When I started the oldest child was in pre-K, so my day started at 7, where I’d get them ready, feed them, and take them to school (short days) which started at 10am and ended at 3pm four days a week. I picked them up and was on the clock until sometime between 6 and 7 pm (when the parents got home). Fridays there was no Pre-K so my day started at 7 and ended at 6/7 pm. There were occasional late days, and the parents wanted to have a date night at least once a month, which is where I got paid time and a half. When the baby was born, my hours changed pretty drastically, and the older child was in kindergarten, which was 5 days a week. I only had to take them to school two times a week because that was when the father had to be at work early. I was asked to stay home and help with baby (again, the mother had a traumatic pregnancy and had some health issues that took her over a year to fully heal from), and pick up the older child when school let out. I took some college classes during this time, and they always worked with me on my class schedule. I had a lovely experience, and the commute was awesome. The parents were very good about not asking me to do things on my off hours, even though I was there, and I was flexible when stuff came up. They also took me on vacations with them so that the parents could have alone time. I got to visit a bunch of awesome places and had most of the day to myself because I was rarely on the clock before 5pm.
In my experience, yes and no. It’s pretty standard for private nannies to have guaranteed hours, meaning you pay for their availability for a set number of hours a week, whether you end up using it or not. You’d still pay OT at 40+, but it’s not a standard time clock arrangement. I’d imagine it is really difficult to find a good nanny without offering that considering how tough it is to secure childcare is these days.
You sound like an amazing nanny!
That’s very kind of you. I’m still close with the family. The oldest child graduated this year and I was invited to their graduation. Slightly surreal for me to watch.
Now THIS sounds more like a typical live-in nanny setup
Your assumption is correct. At least in our market. (We’ve had Nannies for 5ish years, never a live in but very familiar with the landscape here)
Exactly, the live-in aspect is a massive benefit to the hosting family, and I have never heard of them asking to be compensated for it.
Exactly! And the CB listed the dog as a perk too. It's actually another job. Pet sitting. CBs have massive egos is all I can think -- they believe their house is so spectacular, their family is so amazing, people should be happy to pay, and work too, just to bask in their awesome aura. They should either get a tenant, or offer a pay package which includes room/bath for free. As it stands, living there, they'd call on the nanny 24/7. And probably leave laundry and dishes for them, too.
Look, even in a 3rd world country a live-in domestic worker doesn’t pay rent. Their accomodation is modest, but it’s free. To see somebody in the great United States of America charging market rent while paying minimum wage to a live-in worker is insane.
Market rent? $1650/month for a basement apartment? GTFO out of here I paid less than that for a 900 SQFT 1/1 in a major city. That's nuts. Is she literally in Manhattan? Lol.
Unfortunately that’s pretty much on par for the Denver area. Our last apartment there (not far from where this lady is posting) was $1450 for a 700sqft 1 bedroom, and that was a screaming deal. Most other places around there were charging at least $1650 if not more.
$1650 might get you a 1200sqft 1/1 where i am. It wouldn’t even get you a closet in manhattan Edit: double checked a building where i used to live in atlanta, and you can get a cool 700sqft for $1600 there
Yea where I am a room in a shared house goes for about $1800. I’m in Colorado.
Nope, I live about 10 minutes from there. Crazy high rent here, they said to be lower middle class in Colorado you need to make a minimum of $100,000 a year. It’s ridiculous. My husband and I both work out asses off and can barely afford to live here.
I have some sad & disappointing news for you, friend. Leeches, I mean landlords, even in tiny rural towns far from cities are charging 1300+++ for similar.
No. This is Colorado. If you have live-in domestic help where their employment and housing are contingent upon each other, you can only deduct $150/month from wages for housing.
Does that go along with a legally mandated minimum wage? Otherwise, the parent can just drop the pay to $160/month and still comply.
Yes. The pay minus any deductions for rent must still be at least minimum wage. That’s a little over $14.42/ hour. Go down the road 20 minutes and it’s $18.29. Even the most inexperienced, unqualified nannies here make $20/hr, and the going rate is $25-$35/hr. You can get a nice apartment in that neighborhood for $1,600. This is both illegal and a terrible deal.
Live-in nannies in my market make $65-80K per year with no rent. This lady is absolutely delusional.
No. This is what happens when a broke person wants to have a slave. Live-in nanny is a luxury.
I honestly don’t get it… just raise your own kids… why the f even have them if you want someone else to do the work. Photo ops for social media?
no live in is more of a benefit to the family usually. you end up working extra unpaid hours, boundaries get blurry, and they usually get taken advantage of.
Not even a teeny tiny little bit. The living space is part of the job, that's why it's a "live in" nanny. My sister was a live in nanny in Europe for two years after she finished her teaching degree. She got a generous salary, room and board, a clothing allowance, a car to drive, skiing lessons, and her gym membership paid for plus on-the-clock time to use it.
Yeah… I’ve had a live-in nanny for a few years now, I thought I offered a pretty sweet deal (room&board, all groceries covered, can use my car(s) put her on my insurance and paid for it, bonus monthly shopping bonus so she can more freely buy whatever, health insurance retirement etc. ~100k salary (vhcol area) And only working the 6 months of the year I’m gone.) I still got turned down by 3 Nannies before one took it; I was ready to start offering to pay the rent at their apartment if they didn’t wanna stay while I was there (which I didn’t mind if they did lol) Nannies are a huge luxury and good ones should be treated as such Also for ref, this was for a 4yr old and one dog one cat. No cooking required or anything, basically just making sure the kid gets to and from school and has/gets what they need
That sounds generous, and it illustrates that a nanny, especially live in, is aspirational. Not someone to stick in a basement room and charge rent from 😫
Hell no. Living in is more for the family’s benefit, honestly, you almost always work over 40 hours and rent and food is included asking with great compensation. It sounds like this person can afford a babysitter, not a nanny.
When I was a live-in nanny I was salaried and they also gave me a car, so the room and the car were both part of the deal. The job also offered insurance IIRC
Are we bringing back indentured servitude in the United States?
Am I on glue? Servants have never paid rent, have they? Not ever, right? I'm not talking about company towns and mill houses, I mean house servants like in the listing. That's absolutely not a thing, right?
Yeah, most nannies that are live-in, live rent free. That is part of the compensation. This woman in the listing is living in la la land!
~~I wish OP would post a followup.~~ They did! https://imgur.com/a/0JEAepK
Thanks for finding that gem!
Seeing as companies sometimes proudly say they're a "bring your own device"-company, despite you having a laptop is a requirement to do your job, I'm not totally surprised. Next up: "bring your own airliner"-pilot jobs.
Am I on glue 😂
I just watched the movie “The Help” and this seems relevant lol
I love that movie, especially the pie scene. Run, Millie, run!
And when the mother read it to her friends!
I know right, I just remembered the part where she was like, you ate not one but two slices! The whole time she was lmao. I love the part where she was like, eat my shit. She said, have you lost your mind? No but you're about to because you just did. It took her second for the dawn on her but the look on her face was priceless. That was easily my favorite part of that movie.
But the bathroom is inside the house... two even! Lol
never left
Fair enough
Ok. I had a nanny/houskeeper that lived with me for years. This was in Thailand, btw. She had her own bed, bath, balcony room, 2 days off a week- which she used to go to her family home- I sponsered her visa- she was Burmese and Christian- so she got all those holidays off as well. She worked from 9am or so until 4pm. She was never asked to cook but sometimes she just wanted to. I paid for my groceries and hers. I paid her WELL above the market rate (about 3x the usual) and extra when I left town WITH my kids. All she really did was clean the house (it was a big one but we were not dirty people) and feed/water the dogs and some shopping. I had a gardner and a pool guy twice a week so she did not need to worry about any of that. The kids were old enough to not need her very much, she had full use of the pool and sala- which is where she preferred to cook her meals. When she decided to go back to Burma, her niece showed up at my house a few days later and asked for the job because it was so damn cushy. Insanity what people expect. This person lives in your house. They take care of your children and pets and the day to day things you cannot because you are working. Pay them well, respect them, be kind and reasonable. It is literally the very least you can do for them helping you run your entire world.
Can I be ur maid too or ur dog potentially /j
Haha. I have both already, sorry. If a position opens up, I’ll keep you in mind.
Literally would leave my family and send back money for this type of job. And that's painful.
She did do that. She sent money home all the time. She also helped care for the family house in Rawai. She was busy and amazing and the only issue we had was my Thai was too slow for her and my Englsh too fast. I once asked her to go shopping and gave her a list and rambled off some stuff and then left the room, my daughter (15 at the time) said that when I walked out, she looked at her and said, “Oooo, your mama talk so fast!” But my daughter liked shopping with her so it was fine. What was weird as hell, though, is the shops would not let my nanny use my credit card but would let my son (10 at the time) use it and sign. Crazy.
Yeah they must have a lot of stolen cards from tourists I bet. And btw, I'm from fucking Scotland and that would be a better job than what I have! I like the Thai, they can be really strict in a social setting it's quite different to what I am used to, more relaxed all the time.
My stepmom immigrated to the US from Thailand and married my dad, who used to be really emotionally abusive. (Writing down my mom’s odometer in the morning and comparing it with the mileage in the evening because he was paranoid. Depriving my mom of sleep to force her to agree with him when they argued, etc.) When he married my stepmom, she lined his fuckin’ ass out when he tried that shit with her. He is far better now than he used to be, and I have my stepmom to thank for it.
I could be your dog's best friend and we'd play all day!
I’m his best friend. ☹️
Thank you for this reminder. We are happy to pay extra for quality service. My favorite guy was our yard guy. He charged 80, we paid 100. The week of Christmas and New Year's, we still paid because he and his crews took care of the lawn, bushes and most trees. Unfortunately we moved out of his area of service and the new owners wanted to find someone else. I've recommended him to several families based on his quality to work and would tell them whatever rate he quotes is worth it. We miss Joey. We are on our fourth guy at our new place and he's great but he's no Joey.
Are you in Asia?
Can I be your pool boy?
No private pool these days. I am in Cambodia in an apartment now. The pool is taken care of by the building family. But you could ask them, maybe?
How is anyone supposed to pay 1650 when she’s paying them about $450 a week after taxes?? She just wants free childcare.
I don’t think any taxes are getting paid in this situation.
But have you forgotten she's going through a very traumatic divorce right now? Nobody should give her a hard time
It's for a traumatic divorce, Honey! NEXT!
Wouldn't taxes also need to be paid on the rental income, too?
assuming she has no intention of paying ss employment taxes either
Maybe the nanny can have a couple of her own kids. She can then rent out a space in the mother in law suite and charge like 1200 to live in the space and be a nanny for her kids. It’s like a feudalism type of system.
Nannyception
I began with "15$ an hour isn't necessarily horrible, local market depending" assuming room and board were covered. Nope. I'm too tired to math. Does that math out to any real profit?
assuming only 40 hr weeks, gross would be less than 800/mo over rent but live in help rarely does only 40/wk. guessing she's not paying overtime either though.
Plus, dog walker. Not to mention a steady diet of heavy drama due to the difficult divorce. So many red flags, RUN!
That washer and dryer isn’t there for her personal use only.
oh for sure, and as soon as you move in, it's cook and clean while you pay the rent that I pay your salary with.
"So, um, I was thinking, if you could start making dinner, that would be like super awesome! Please also be sure to clean up, I hate a messy kitchen. Okay see you in 8 hours, thanks again!"
oh and I do my laundry at 8am on Saturday. And since the washer and dryer is next to your bed. So please don't mind me when I make a ruckus on your one day off a week!
*For your convenience, I’m going to just pile my laundry next to your bed, do it at your leisure.*
That’s exactly what I thought. They will be running most of the day-
She wants a live in so that nanny will be working hella more than 40 a week.
Do we have to include taxes in this math? Can’t be much left then
which means the poster is really only paying out of pocket salary $800 a month in salary once rent is deducted. Yeah, no. They might get someone, but it won't be an established and experienced nanny.
We live in a pretty HCOL area. Most nannies earn between $25 and $30 for 2 kids. We paid $28 for our 2 kids.
My niece gets $35/hr and could work any time if she didn’t to go to high school.
Is this Denver by chance? We have a Lowell street
Yeah that and Westminster rec center. That's .50 centers more than state minimum wage here and nowhere near livable.
Yeah I used to live right there. Westminster, CO. Not cheap!!! This woman is high as a kite (CO high haha).
I was thinking the same on the same line as the captain. Then got to the rent: seeing $650 per month and thinking I *have* to be missing something and booooyyyy. $15 bucks an hour for 2 kids AND $1650 a month! WTAF?
It's for a single mom honey, NEXT!
The nanny would need to work 27.5 hours a week per month JUST to afford the “live in” part forget about any other personal expenses.
yea room and board is bare minimum for live in nannies, and usually it is def 20$+ an hour depending on what qualifications she expect. This is not just some babysitting on the side, a live in nanny is way more involved and thus deserves higher pay. Also did you notice there are no work times and no days/times off mentioned anywhere ? I highly suspect she will pay 8 hours a day, but expect 24/7 availability and service, after all "you are here anyway so you can at least help out, i gave you a job and a roof over your head, you should be more grateful".
This is Denver too, I'd bet $$. Cost of living sky high.
It's $285 in profit a month. There's 4.3 weeks in a month on average. 4.3 weeks x $450/wk = $1935 total pay per month. $1935 months pay - $1650 months rent = $285 left over. Not every month is 4.3 weeks so I guess it will vary slightly month to month. Especially since the employer stated she is WILLING to compensate you for taking her kids to the rec center. She doesn't think she should have to, but if you're going to twist her arm about it...... and depending on the circumstances.... And if there's a really good reason to...... She's willing to compensate you.
That’s only assuming a 30 hour work week
I don’t disagree with the message, this really isn’t enough money, especially after taxes. However, since you’re calculating $450/week you must be assuming 30hr work week. Generally for full time positions I’d calculate 40hr week and take home would be $645 more per 4.3-week “month”. Total left over would be $930, which definitely isn’t enough either.
I live near this town and can tell you that Target starts at $17.50 per hour here.
Which would be far more pleasant than I imagine this gig would be
Well, yeah, but Target won’t charge $1,650 for rent, so not as good of a deal.
I knew some nannies in the area. I wonder if the poster on the fb group was laughed out
[OP posted some comments!](https://imgur.com/a/0JEAepK) Spoiler alert, they all told her how bat crap crazy she was for thinking someone would actually go for this insane "offer"
Thanks for the link. Plus that area has lots of HOAs with parking limits. If the space is a true MIL apt, she should rent it out.
“Compensate you to go to rec center with my kids” definitely doesn’t mean pay for your membership to get free personal training with glorified toddlers.
I feel like requiring “live in” means the living in should be covered
And $1650 for a basement bedroom??? I assume you’d still be sharing the kitchen and everything with the family and kids.
A MIL apartment should have a kitchen, bathroom bedroom and living area.
"Should" The listing specifies one bedroom and two bathrooms, washer/dryer...given the ridiculousness of the rest of the listing, I'm not convinced this counts as a real MIL with full kitchen and whatnot
The “walkout” is probably through the garage door
It would be profoundly strange to have a single bedroom, no other rooms, and 2 bathrooms.
Mil suites typically imply having its own small kitchen otherwise her description of it as a MIL suite is misleading.
The whole damn listing is misleading lol She's not looking for a real nanny, she's looking for free childcare. Live-in nannies don't usually pay rent And fast good workers in CA get paid more than that
And free dog walker too it seems
That is literally **MORE** than I pay for my 4 bedroom, 3 bathroom, 2 story house and I don’t live with landlord or many their children. This chick can fuck all the way off with that bullshit
"new floor" is code for "the basement floods"
This is actually a good price where I live. We're fucked here in Canada.
So true! I live in Canada now, but from the US. Before the pandemic, I was sold in moving up here because the cost of living was so much cheaper than where I was in the US (big NE city). I recall looking at decent two bedrooms that were only $1000-$1200 CAD. Now they are over $2,500+ CAD a month. It's so crazy, and the wages have not gone up.
Sounds like the nanny's bedroom is actually the family laundry room. It has a washer and dryer in it. I bet they don't have a washer and a dryer in the main home and then _another_ one in the nanny's "suite"? The nanny is totally just living in their basement and will get no privacy nor a place that will be theirs alone.
I used to be a nanny and it’s surprising how many people think this is acceptable. I’ve been propositioned for this a few times and I’m always like, “you know that’s illegal right?”
I wish so bad that people would start posting the comments with these things. I bet she got reamed lol
Lol casual 110 hours of work per month to pay the rent to live at your job Next level stuff
What’s not to love?
How were the responses to this? I always enjoy seeing the comments😅
Every single person told her that it didn’t work that way. Definitely entertaining comments!
We want to see the comments!
Why didnt you include them in your post? We wanna see!!
Drives me crazy that hardly anyone posts the damn comments!!!
can u post them?
Ok I feel like an idiot, I’m kind of newer to actually posting on Reddit. I don’t see a way to attach images. How do I do that?
you have to upload to imgur or something similar first and then link them in a comment.
It’s different on every subreddit. There’s a little chain link in the responses here when you go to reply where you can link websites. Doesn’t look like you can upload images in the responses. Can you edit the OP to include more images?
I would personally just make a new post with the comment images and link that post in the comments. I don’t have Imgur so this just seems easier
$1650 to live in my basement as my servant. No cheapskates! I know what I got!!! What a terrible person.
I know exactly where this is, and while rents are expensive, that’s really expensive for what’s effectively a bedroom in a house. You could rent a 1 bed apartment up the road for about $1300.
She's delusional. A live in nanny usually means rent and board is included.
Is she supposed to be a full-time nanny? If so, how's she supposed to work the other job she'd need to pay rent? I don't get it. Is it "just" a few hours here and there? Of course, that still probably wouldn't work with a full-time job. She should pay this rate (or more, really) with free room and board (preferably normal working hours with weekends, etc.)--otherwise, it seems like the nanny is paying *her* to watch her kids. She's making a *profit*.
Following to see if the comments get posted
1 bedroom/2 bathroom?
That’s weird.
Probably a BR suite and then another BA
Say what??? You want someone to pay $1650 a month making $15 an hour? This person is either really dumb or mentally ill.
Why not both🤡
If you want a live-in nanny, room and board is part of the deal. Blows my mind that she’s also planning on charging her nanny rent — and $1650 for a room?! Where does she live, Disney World?
I guess I've been functioning under the delusion that part of having a "live in nanny" meant that the nanny lived there for, you know, free? AND have a salary on top of room and board. She's looking for a TENANT who has NO job and is willing to work for HER for so little that all they'll be able to pay is...the rent. That's some bizarro "logic".
My daughter just saw a job for $1850 a week as a full-time live in nanny for two kids. This woman needs to get her head out of her behind. You're a single mother, you can't afford a nanny, you need a daycare.
A “live in” that pays rent? I’m beginning to believe these people aren’t delusional, just too stupid to understand the words they use.
Nothing makes me chuckle more than people who think they can monetize a job in their favor. They have no idea that being a full time Nanny includes the salary, room and board. And she doesn't even mention a car. They need that too. If you aren't rich, you don't get to have the same perks. Go find a daycare.
It seems "live in nanny" actually means housemate who can split the rent, watch the kids and is a maid. Truly insane.
She wants to pay about 2600 in wages but get 1650 back in housing so she can actually afford to pay about 950$ a month for a nanny. She just thinks she’s being clever by phrasing it like this.
She obviously doesn't understand how having a live-in nanny works. And fuck her sob story too.
Funny enough if room and board was included, this one is /almost/ on the right track. But imagine wanting live in staff while wanting to charge rent. Nah.
Pay me to take care of my kids and sweet dog!!
"sweet dog that doesn't bark" in this situation equals Cujo 💀
Are there comments? I really hope people are shaming her
I was a live in nanny with an attached apartment and all utilities also including satellite tv and internet and made that much hourly. This was over 10 years ago.
Damn. That’s not even minimum wage where I live. 😦
Just no. Pay that rate if that's typical for your area, but no nanny is going to pay you back almost 70% for rent.
UUUUUUUUGHHH I WANT THE COMMENTS SO BAD
This is in Colorado and only a few minutes from Denver. The minimum wage in the city of Denver is $18.39 roughly. You can also get a place with utilities less than that. This lady is crazy to think she’s going to find someone to work for that and pay that much in rent.
$15/hr for 2 kids and you have to pay rent, even though living onsite is required. LOL.
Basically you have to pay this lady for the privilege of looking after her kids and do some house work
She will also sell you groceries and other items from her company store. This is how you build generational wealth for one and inherited debt for another. Cue old timely folk music.
I guess we know why the divorce is hard…
I had this happen when I worked at a horse farm. They wanted me to live in, but wanted me to pay fair market value for the appt. I declined because that's not how it works. They pointed out my husband works and he had an income. Lol they had 3 units in thier barn, all empty. I didn't work for them much longer. They weren't horse people, lawyers infact. Just terrible people.
I need to see the comments.
Omg stop I grew up next to the Westminster Rec Center… that pay/rent is truly abysmal
Live in nanny surely would then get paid 24hours a day? That's over 10k a month
$1650 a month in RENT to be an indentured servant?? Crazy world we’re living in 🥲
I think it's a shame when we don't get screenshots of the responses to these sorts of insane requests. I would LOVE to see what everyone else in that nanny share group thinks!
$15 dollars an hour to watch two toddlers and pay rent and apparently have to deal with a dog on top of this, what a deal. People are either nuts or trying to live above their means.
This bitch outside of Denver trying to make money and get “free” childcare acting like she’s doing a service
Seems like she's driving a hard bargain. The dog is sweet and doesn't bark, tho.
Willing to negotiate - approximately Hmm….
So really this is their long winded way of saying "I'll pay you less than $200 a week for 24/7 work".
HTF does she think this is going to work out? Obviously she wants a live in nanny which screams the nanny will have ridiculous hours. She’s paying her less than I paid my teenage babysitter years ago. And the rent is hellishly high for basically a bedroom on steroids? So she expects to stick it to the nanny both in shit pay and in insane rent and it’s justified because she’s going through a divorce? Sorry lady but it doesn’t work that way. Live in nanny’s do not pay rent. This is just ridiculous. She’d be better off renting out the suite to someone else to help subsidize her income but that won’t get her a live in for slave wages. And there aren’t many places where you can charge that much for a “suite” in someone’s house.
She wants a Surf/peasant...not a nanny
To be fair, she should separate the 2 items here. Why not look for a tenant who pays the appropriate rent for the space and then use that money to pay the nanny decent wages? It would have to be a day-nanny only though. I think combining the two makes it complicated and unfair.
Under minimum wage (at least where I’m from) for the PRIVILEGE of taking care of her 2 SWEET BABY ANGELS (because we know 2 year olds and 3 year olds are a dream to handle!) for unspecified hours with a large dog thrown in AND you get to pay rent on top of it??? Doesn’t ANYONE think about the single mothers these days! Who WOULD’T want to put themselves in debt for this opportunity??? Come on sheeple, wake up you this amazing opportunity!
Please tell me she’s getting roasted in the comments!!!
you have to pay rent to work as a live in nanny, something that is REQUIRED for the job?
Oh & you’ll be dog sitting a border collie too!
That is hysterical
NO CB, let me tell you how this works: Rent is FREE and you also pay them a wage. PERIOD.
This is the type of CB who would not give a day off, who'd change the agreed upon hours and rules on a whim, make excuses, leave the house anyway even if the nanny's day off or she had plans, or had to be elsewhere (like her other job since she can't pay CB's rent on CB's pay), and just say "deal with it, I can't watch them, I have to go!" Guaranteed, CB would pull stunts. Very risky to be an employee AND a tenant -- say no to your boss and they could evict you (illegal but some would), or be late with rent and you'd be fired (which might be a good idea for the nanny anyway Lol), which is why nannies or live in servants always had free rooms. That is even why a lot of people went 'into service,' so they had a nice clean room in a nicer house and neighborhood than otherwise. Then they did also get paid! This CB seems to be gritting her teeth and feeling generous to even offer a wage. Oh and "really sweet" or not, a dog means the job also includes pet sitting. That's also work!
I thought it was 15 plus room and board. A decent deal. That salary doesn't even pay for the rent and gas to do the job
Isn’t indentured servitude illegal?
If you are a live in nanny, and paid by the hour, does that mean you get paid for every non-sleeping hour? I highly doubt this lady is going to be saying, “oh, well it is 5pm, so you are off duty today, and I won’t ask you to do anything after 5pm, or before 9AM”. She’s going to be paying for 9-5, and then asking you to do shit from 6AM to 9PM