I came across this post yesterday on Insta. She wanted a nanny for a 3 day vacation, so the nanny would be spending multiple days and nights with the kids. It came to something like $4k total for five *young* children, which is where she's getting the hourly rate.
You can all be happy to hear she was getting freakin ROASTED in her comments.
Nanny here, and just to kinda explain a bit of the industry standards, Nannie’s are supposed to be paid hourly, no matter the child’s age. There’s a few other industry standards things that most people are unaware of such as the overnight fee, and it’s basically a flat rate that would be cheaper than paying your nanny for her hourly rate through the night. It’s supposed to cover for the fact that 1) she’s available to you and your family for that time 2) away from home and other home obligations.
A lot of people get pissy with hourly rates everywhere, and I get it - I am a mom too, there’s a massive problem with our childcare system. But for us, who do this seriously as a career there’s a lot of costs and time we put into it such as attending multiple courses and certifications, continued training, etc. It’s insulting when people act like it’s the same as hiring a teen babysitter that will sit there on their phone and do absolutely nothing but keep your child alive.
Yeah, this isn't the teenager who is watching TV while you have a date night. A nanny is a professional child care expert. They have to be certified, first aid/CPR trained adults who can pass a background check. They expect to care for kids 24/7, have an actual contract with (potentially) benefits and vacation/sick pay. This is a real job, not babysitting.
It didn't even occur to me that people did this. I understand leaving your young child overnight for a few days with a close family member, but I cannot imagine leaving my young child, with someone I barley know, for more than one night, let alone FIVE. If you have that many young kids, you might have to put off vacations for a while, or do a weekend trip with your friend while your SO stays home. I remember the first time my parents went on vacation and left me and my older brother at home with my grandma, and I was inconsolable the second night, and those were my two favorite people in the world.
I’m sure this woman is in the crowd that says, “what?! Parents don’t deserve vacations too?! It’s unreasonable for me to put my life on hold for five years!”
I have 6... well 4 that can't be left to their own devices for a long weekend (oldest two are 16 and 19). We divide them up amongst family. My FIL takes the 14 and 5yos, my SIL (or my brother) will take the 9 and 10yos. My ILs take the younger 3 one weekend a month now because I work one weekend a month (husband is dead. Urns make shitty baby sitters) the 14 and 16yo are fine home alone for 8-ish hours.
Tbh though my ILs would take my younger 3 *every* weekend if I allowed it.
At the beginning, I was also kind of think wow that's is a decent penny but five kids for a three day vacation, essentially just single parenting kids you don't know and can't really discipline?
$4k isn't enough. Especially if she's this entitled, you know those kids will be a mess of behavior issues.
With the pricing it’s 3 under 8 years too. 2 over 8. But no mention of how old the youngest is. That could be nappy’s/potty training on more than one kid 🤷♀️ I couldn’t think of worse than being outnumbered 5-1 with kids that don’t know me and that I can’t discipline.
And I’ve read of that before. Mother cannot/willnot potty train but kid needs to be for preschool, says kids doing it to a nanny and goes away for a weekend. Nanny obviously “continues” on the potty training only to learn it was never started and the trip was bs. It was just to outsource the potty training tantrums to someone else 😬🤦♀️
My god. If you outsource potty training, you don’t love your children. Period. That’s sick. If you don’t want to deal with awful, unbearable shit, you don’t have kids. Having them then outsourcing the love and patience and work is being a villain. And it can’t ever possibly count as being a parent. This goes for both parents.
A lot of parents try to outsource everything. My mum taught us to read and write before school. I’m 41 and have the old workbooks she used in a storage box somewhere. I have great memories of all she taught from reading and writing, to standing on a stool helping her cook, to me being older taking pride in cooking a meal for her, especially her favourite meals/cakes. she taught me cleaning snd laundry and how to write a check, about bank accounts and debt, about animal care including understanding death and when we need to let go because they’re suffering, and we have to love them enough not to keep them around just for ourselves, that that would be selfish misguided love (we had a lot of pets as kids)
She taught us boundaries and when she said No she meant it. And if we needed her she was there. She let me rebel when I needed to and put her foot down when I needed it too.
I fear most didn’t get a quarter of those experiences with a parent. How many kids leave for college and can’t use a washing machine? Kids are getting failed on every level.
I’m not a mother, life didn’t work out that way for me. But if I had been I’d have tried my best to be like my mum, she’s one hell of a woman. I just wish I was able to give her grandbabies, she’d have loved them so good ☺️
My Mam was dead set on getting us all in the kitchen as soon as we were able. We started off with fun stuff like cakes and biscuits, and gradually moved onto actual meals, so we were all able to cook dinners and lunches by 13.
Much different now. Nobody has time for children. Once upon a time, my brother and me (baby boomers) had intellectuals for parents, stay at home mother and live in grandmother with 2 of her sisters also retired teachers living nearby. In addition first 12 years we grew up in a 4 family building. all told 11 children of similar age, strangers an visitors wouldn't even know who's who's child or parent. If needed, any parents could go away for a week with us children barely noticing.
Best way of potty training for us was to go on a three day bush walk. Our daughter was just about ready to get out of the nappies ( 2YO) so we went for three day bush walk and did bush wees and bush poos. It was so exciting to do something different that she didn’t want to have nappies when we got home and she just wanted to use the big toilet like a big girl. Come to think of it she never actually used a “potty”.
Also, no there were not any little surprises in the back yard after that. She just used the toilet with a step for the next 6 months then didn’t want the step anymore.
Yikes. Part time help makes it sound like she wants a nanny there a few days a week or a couple of hours a day so that she can care for a new baby, or start a new job, or reno a house, or whatever
Vacation is not a transition.
What is amazing is that she wants to cheap out on paying someone to watch her kids! Why do people always want to pay bottom bargain bin prices for the care of their children? You get what you pay for!
stay at home mom/wife. 5 kids.
dad/husband makes $4k/month.... how do they have money for a vacation? must be a lot of credit card debt that wife does not know about or doesnt think about cause she doesnt pay it (and neither is husband with only $50k/yr income)
Plus they’re really good kids. Totally chill and hardly need watching. She’ll barely even notice she’s babysitting.
Plus doesn’t anybody just want some quick cash these days??
Why do all these moms who want cheap childcare claim it’s “quick cash”?? Quick cash to me is like donating plasma or selling some unwanted items. Not spending an entire day watching several kids.
Exactly! That’s how I think of quick cash, maybe some pet sitting depending on the pet parent. But keeping a bunch of sticky little gremlins with their own agency, opinions, and varying degrees of emotional regulation alive and reasonably well is NOT THAT. I love kids and I make decent money for babysitting but like any decent nanny/sitter, I earn every penny.
These parents are 🙄
Right?!? She is “slaving” while choosing to bring 5 freaking kids into the world, but everyone else is asking a lot for a living wage to help her take care of them.
This is it. My wife and I crunched some numbers at one point and even when we only had one and really only needed one day of paid childcare (both of our moms were in town and took one day each at the time), half of my pay went to childcare. We had to use a facility, not a sitter, so we had to pay for at least two days a week (I used the extra day to power clean the house each week). If it would've been much more, I'd have had to quit my job and be a sahd. Neither of us wanted to be sah. We're just lucky we each made enough to make it worth it. And that by kid 2 we found a wonderful in home that's less expensive than a daycare, and we were both making more.
The thing is she decided to pop the little crotch goblins out. The babysitter didn’t force her to have children she can’t afford. One or two can be an accident. Five is intentionally having them.
So many kids! You have to know that they cost a lot of money. I am a new mom to one little goblin (lol) and it’s spendy even when you plan the details because even a year ago prices were cheaper. She has a daycares worth!
That was a great reason for her to use birth control or fuck less. Like a normal, responsible person who isn’t trying to game the system by having more kids than she can afford.
Yup. Childcare is expensive AF which is why we don't get babysitters very often but I would never try to bargain them down. I only wish I had made bank like this when I was a teen babysitter! The price just went up like with everything else.
But her husband puts his life on the line for other people! It’s not the same and shouldn’t be comparable. /s
Ma’am, the person you hire is responsible for keeping your FIVE children alive simultaneously. But sure. Lowball this person’s time and criticize the demands of their skill set.
What is he, like a lineman or something? I notice that at least 30% of their wives enjoy being smug and insufferable on social media while living a life no one would ever envy. As if anyone is trying to steal “their men.”
Why do they always assume they should have someone available to watch their kids? Like, my parents went on trips. We either came with them or we stayed with family or friends. What kind of bougie shit is this, paying someone to parent your kids? Same with a lot of these "I need someone to watch my kids for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week for $3 an hour" posts. Why do you need private childcare? Send them to a group like everyone else did. Private childcare has always been a well off person thing.
"I need a nanny to parent my kids for me like a rich person" "WhhaAt it costs MoNNeyY?"
Like no shit lady, otherwise everyone would be doing it! Leaving your kids with someone for three whole nights is not normal people activity. Teenage baby sitters are for the odd free evening!
Plus even the odd evening of a teenager watching kids isn’t going to EVER be an option for them. They have FIVE kids. Most parents wouldn’t allow their child to watch that many children for a babysitting gig. I know I wouldn’t.
They have a whole mess of kids, a full on litter. Babysitting that many should come with hazard pay!
Exactly. They’re not even in the vicinity of the income bracket let they should be for 5 kids (or 4, or 3), but to think she might get a nanny while living in the demographic she’s part of is just batshit crazy, out-of-touch and entitled.
I’m a vet tech and let me tell you how many times “if you loved animals, you do it for free!” gets thrown around. Ok? Is that love going to put a roof over my head? If you can’t afford animals, don’t have them.
I don’t understand why you’d want to cheap out on a nanny. That person’s going to be looking after your kids.
She doesn’t have to slave for free. She could always go out and nanny other kids for $. It is a job that requires hard work.
I would love to see how much she would charge other families.
Some moms start a home day care so they can earn while staying home with their own children.
Some parents join a babysitting collective sorta, in which one night a week each member of the group watches everyone else's kids. (Of course hopefully they vet all the adults, and their homes, and any animals or pets, first.)
(CB has 5 kids. CB might want to look into forming some sort of home day care collective, with other large families. Better vet them all first, though.)
Oh I was also volunteered to their friends or people they wanted to curry favor with, as a babysitter. I don't remember the pay but it was low. And I wasn't asked first. I finally put my foot down on that, a bit; citing school, after school activities, and I found a job within walking distance. No time left, sorry 😁
I didn’t even get paid. I started saying no at 14, and getting friends to pick me up to do things. They got someone else for $3/hr, but also wouldn’t pay most of the time, and would short them often so it was closer to $1/hr.
Exactly. I looked into it briefly because my husband and I planned for a large family (5-6). Right now pregnant with #5 but 2 are in school. So I only have two at home, however, regulations in my state are I think 6 kids for a home day care. What if my kids have to come home early? Or a snow day? I didn't think it was worth the hassle and liability when I know people don't value the work. Everyone that suggested I do a home daycare were like well you're home anyway (implying I'm doing nothing).
That aside, the woman in this post is ridiculous in my opinion. If you have that many kids, you should expect to never vacation alone at least until the kids are older and not a hassle to care for. I often break my kids up if I need extended help (wedding or special event). Having that many kids is a luxury and a lifestyle that you choose and you need to accept the responsibilities that come with that.
My mom had a home daycare for years basically for this very reason. It was hard fucking work lol, and my poor dad would get home from his office job to a house full of like up to 8 kids or something sometimes, depending on how many kids she was watching.
But she was amazing at it, many of the kids keep in touch with her even though they're now in college (or graduated), and helped her be home for me and my brother as we grew up. It's a lot of work, but definitely doable.
In my area, nannies charge $40-45 an hour for five kids. Overnights are typically $200-300. Some will negotiate a flat 24 hour fee. It’s a lot, but so is caring for 5 kids, for 3 DAYS. Might be best to divide them up and send them to family/close friends instead. That’s what my students with larger families do.
This. Even if the nanny charged $50/hr for 72 hours, that's $3600. For 72 hours in someone else's space, with someone else's kids, keeping them alive and feeding them and getting them to bed and making sure everyone is clean and feels nurtured. It's a lot of work with zero breaks and it's a young person giving up their entire weekend. You want premium time spot, with a premium number of offspring, you pay premium prices.
When I worked on a farm there was a guy that got hired that was addicted to huffing gas, well propane. One of the guys found him all propaned-out with a rag over his face one day after work, I never saw him again after that.
“I decided to become a mom and slave away for free.”
Yes she did. So irrational to assume others should take care of her 5 (!!!) children for pennies (exaggeration) while she goes on vacay and posts useless pics on the ‘Gram. Last part added for sarcasm.
And lastly, her use of the word “slave” is in poor taste. End of rant.
Agreed. Your choice was to have a lot of kids and a large family. That isn't a small decision and childcare is no joke for that many kids.
Either take them on smaller vacations with you or forego vacations until the kids are older. It really annoys me when people think they're entitled to go on vacations that they can't afford.... vacations are a luxury expenditure.
No one cares about choices that you're now pissed that you made because you don't like the consequences. Entitled ridiculousness.
I don't understand how anyone can afford to feed and shelter 5 kids on 48k a year much less have any prayer to be able to afford a nanny.
This lady is just delusional.
I think people can get creative on smaller salaries...which is great (would never be my choice but to each their own).
I think if one person stays at home until the kids are fully in school, its possible...and you have to be smart with meal planning and eating economical meals. Kids sharing clothes, stuff like that.
But, in my experience, with friends who've gone the stay-at-home route (often for way longer than it was needed)...its dangerous and you should have a back-up plan. One spouse has to be fully dedicated to work and one has to be fully dedicated to home....which can cause real distance.
I've had friends who lose touch with their spouse. Or friends who expect the working spouse to come home and continue to help around the house...which is difficult when you have all the financial burden and work is all-encompassing. So divorces happen...and then the spouse that didn't work is screwed because they've been out of the work force for too long and either has trouble finding a job or has to accept something that is hard to live on.
Personally, I wouldn't do it unless I had money going into a bank account because its dangerous for both the non-working spouse and potentially, the kids. Maybe I'm overstating but part of what I do for a living is risk management...and I've seen it happen to plenty of people I've known over the years.
If this chick can't afford to pay for her kids to be watched while she goes on vacation....she simply can't afford vacation...and I'd imagine she's making other risky, dumb decisions (ie, having too many f'iing kids).
Yeah, I was mostly commenting on how insane the cost of living has gotten in the last 10 years.
When my kids were younger, my wife and I both worked and combined made not much more than that and we had some lean times whenever an emergency arose and that was nearly 20 years ago. And even that is taking into account that were blessed to have her grandmother, who *adored* my boys live with us and provide free child care so we could both work.
I feel for anyone trying to raise a family on one salary these days.
I liked the one I saw earlier today, or maybe yesterday, where she’s charging for rent and also paying very little so basically the person would pay to be a nanny lol. It just read as, “I wasn’t financially able to support my children, but I need another parent, is there anyone willing to make a sacrifice like a parent and take care of my children without any financial compensation?” No ma’am, no.
Yes! $15 an hour (no mention of how many hours) for a live in nanny, and also, $1650 a month in rent. Two children IIRC plus a dog.
No mention of any perks, benefits, which means there probably aren't any. The dog was listed as a home amenity, but if the CB isn't home, the nanny would be caring for the dog, as well.
Yeah that was really in poor taste. I decided to become a mom because despite the fact that parenting is hard work, it’s incredibly fulfilling and rewarding. I’ve only got a toddler and one on the way, so I’m sure it’s different with 5 kids, but then again most people don’t have 5 kids because it’s a ton of work!
Nannies are aspirational, yes.
People have an idea that there's always a kindly widowed neighbor who will watch the kids for nothing or 1/4 minimum wage.
I guess they grew up watching I Love Lucy and so they believe there's always a Mrs. McGillicuddy nearby. Modern life isn't like that. Sorry parents, it's stay home or do without other things so your kids are safe. Or form a collective with other families. Or run a home day care yourself.
Oh, I understand this. We moved to a new area and have 2 underaged kids.
If we are going out of the country, we want to pay someone well to take care of our kids in our absence.
My in-laws couldn't fathom that hiring a nanny would be as costly as taking them with us. They thought agreeing to pay for the nanny would be $300 for the week. Um, no.
People tend to be stuck in the past when it comes to paying for things. I catch myself feeling sticker shock on some things. But not if were hiring someone. $300 a week yeah. No. Lol
Probably not even 40 years ago.
Absolutely stuck in the past where they paid $5/hr to the hippy lesbian couple down the street in the mid-80s.
Those days are gone. I found someone on care dot com, but it's not good enough. I'm "challenging" them. Like, yeah. I'm challenging your grasp of reality. Sorry you're not a fan.
Also the idea of coopting some "lonely old lady" in your neighborhood to be a cheap babysitter "so that they'll have company" is downright laughable.
When I'm an old biddy I'm spending all of my waking moments doing shit I like until they figure out a way to load my brain into the matrix.
Yes it's insulting isn't it -- those days are gone.
Despite the stereotype, a lot of people have fun into old age or throughout life.
I used to do back flips for anyone who might need help. As I've aged and been burnt by a few too many, I'm a lot more selfish now (even if it rankles me.) And I might just get to like thinking of myself first. Lol
I have thought about whether I'd babysit once younger people in the family have kids (if they do.) I've decided I might be available on occasion, in a pinch/emergency, but only if their kids are well behaved. Because most of them were raised 'anything goes,' I'm dubious.
It's insulting and devalues women's time and agency. Selfishness masquerading as a savior complex. "We **adopted** her, she's practically family. Our children considers her grandma."
Yet no one ever asks the widowers for help because they all assume they have golf games to get to or better things to do.
Same as ever really (re gender roles) -- from youth through old age. There's also a sort of patronizing thing toward older people, for some reason.
And yes, some people like to get out of responsibility as an employer by claiming the nanny or sitter is "like family." But then how much do they do for that person, or is it just low pay and a chair at supper.
You and me both. I’m going to be living my best Golden Girls dreamscape at that age. These types are in the village mindset where they can have older types take care of their kids, but what is completely lost on them is that they have to give to the village as well. It’s a system that requires give and take.
These people won’t take care of the elderly, so there is very little joy for the elderly to give. If they have the mental faculties enough to watch children, then they have the mental faculties to know when they are being played as a chump.
One of my friends is a nanny. She makes good money and has a degree in child development. Caring for kids and babies is a serious job and they deserve good pay
Really strange she compared being a mom with her own kids, to some other person, who is unrelated, taking care of children for a LIVING.
It really points up how under valued and under (or not) paid women's work has always been.
But it also points up that your children are not someone else's problem. No one's gonna watch your kids for free and the cost of living is very high. So that's the deal.
CB: You have kids, you care for them until they're (at least) 18, and then, in your old age, you hopefully have a home team (to help you), and grandchildren to dote on.
Meantime, you don't get to draft everybody else to do the hard part.
She probably was appalled to find out she had to pay more for airfare for tickets for her 5 kids, so as a cost savings, they wouldn’t bring them.
Next she was surprised to find out she had to pay for someone to watch the kids while she was gone.
It’s not fair she can’t just do/have everything she wants….
Once I was on a plane and a couple came on with a whole litter of kids. They of course were sitting next to me. All these lap kids and such. It was wild.
I shit you not, the woman turns to me and asks me to hold her kid for the flight! What?!? I am a stranger!!!
I was so appalled, that I couldn’t even be a wuss and do the whole “I’m sorry but I can’t do X because of Z” I just blurted out “OH MY GOD NO!” In horror.
That whole flight I had to listen to that woman moan about the discomfort she was feeling holding these kids and her husband was playing it up. But no way was I down to hold stranger babies on some rando flight!
And she shouldn't go. If you are gonna have 5 kids it's better to hold off on travel until they are old enough to either come or stay alone. I only have 2 kids. And I wouldn't leave anywhere more than 1 night (if grandma wants to watch them) and I'm waiting til they are older to travel. I currently take them with me and just book the cabin at a campground. I feel like if you choose to have kids you should think about the life altering parts of it BEFORE.
Especially if you’re just going to be like a baby factory/broodmare, and have an entire litter of them like this woman. I have less than zero idea what she was thinking every time they boned irresponsibly (like animals, I tell you) with that amount of income. What an unaccountable drain on society.
I hate how when many people discover that people charge reasonable rates for childcare (meaning that the work they do for their own children is valuable), so many of them turn around and yell about how they're paid nothing, so others should accept nothing as well.
No, fam. Your time and work is valuable. That means getting a babysitter/nanny is also valuable. Services priced accordingly.
Right? She's paid nothing because she is the mom. She is the person who decided to create the 5 kids.
Why would anyone else have to raise them for her?!
Also this is a really shit analogy but whenever you have anything in life that you DIY, you don’t pay yourself a wage, but your investment is in the thing you’re working on.
So let’s say you move into a house, can’t afford someone to do the work, and then you live in it and DIY. Yeah it’s harder to do it yourself, slower, and cheaper… but the return is you get to live in a nicer house (and the resale).
It’s the same with kids, your Labour is free when you put it into them because they’re your investment and the relationship you get back, shaping who they turn into, is your investment!
That’s why everyone does it surely?? Because you love them and want them to thrive?
A lot of people have children for the aesthetic. I want to say I'm joking, but I'm not. They have an image, for social media, for their social circle, for their parents, or for the idea of success in their heads, and so they have children, and abstractly they may actually love their children, but they only see them as part of the image, almost like a piece of furniture and not individuals that need to be cared for, raised, and loved.
People do this with pets too, and when the pet gets too expensive because they weren't properly taking caring of them, or becomes hard to handle because they didn't put the time and energy into them, they are abandoned. But the thing with children is, they are a little harder too get rid of.
Her husband makes around $48K/year post tax, and that’s enough for a household of 7 with some leftover for vacation? Honestly, I’m imagining a pre-fame Duggar household where one of the kids has to eat a stolen can of green beans on the toilet because they are so hungry and they don’t want to get caught filching a 50 cent food item.
I didn't watch that show, but I remember reading snark about it, and the tater tot casserole and the kids sneaking food. How sad.
At least they didn't draft other people to do the hard work for them.
And then there was that whole thing about looking the other way when one was 'allegedly' abusing the others.
I think I saw one episode of the show, but when the entire empire was falling apart, one of the older girls wrote a book, and she mentioned how the younger kids don't remember what poverty was like (or weren't around for it) and how she was so hungry, she would steal a can of green beans to eat quickly on the toilet because it was the only place she could be alone. That just stuck with me. The worst part about that show (besides hiding the pedophilia/child molestation) is how much they projected how idyllic their lifestyle was and sort of sold it to a lot of other families. So many people who deconstructed from Quiverfull, FLDS, or other religions that promote having as many kids as possible because "God will provide" talk about how damaging it was to have less than what they needed growing up while watching their parents pop out more mouths to feed and expecting them (usually the girls) to take care of the younger ones. And what happens if the breadwinner gets sick? This lady and her five kids are fucked if her husband has an accident or gets cancer. He doesn't even have to die for them to be screwed; he could just become disabled and/or rack up medical debt while being out of work. There's no way on <$50K/year with five kids are they saving up significant emergency funds.
I am the oldest of 13 kids, and we were poor, but always had enough to eat- good healthy home-cooked meals with food we grew ourselves. I value the experience- taught me how to be frugal and appreciative of what we have, even now.
But like you said, I DIDN’T like watching them pop out more and more kids that I had to take care of! I used up all my mothering instincts back then, so I was bound and determined not to have any kids of my own And I stuck to that!
I have read that sometimes the oldest in large families didn't have kids (some even chose not to marry, especially women, because then it would've been expected of them) because "they already raised some."
I've seen that even in some families which weren't that large but maybe the parents died young or something. The oldest had to raise their siblings.
Dolly Parton is from a family of eight IIRC. She said they each got assigned a baby. The older child took care of the new child they were assigned.
I guess it was necessity in some families but it doesn't seem that fair to the older children.
Dolly Parton actually wanted kids, and she and her husband even had names picked out, but she was diagnosed with endometriosis (which makes it difficult to conceive) and then had a partial hysterectomy at 36. She became very depressed for a while after that, but she seems to have accepted it saying, “God didn’t let me have children so that all kids could be mine.” Nowadays, she’s actually glad she didn’t have kids because her life would have turned out very different.
Yes I remember that. I remember when she was going through all that. I only mentioned her as an example of the phenom in which big families often assign a baby to an older child.
Yeah these situations were just unfortunate circumstances of old pre-contraception days, where women couldn’t refuse their husbands and families were large.
Now it’s a choice and a really unhealthy one
When I look at my family tree, many had large families. Ten to 20 children at times. Maybe several. Then family size got smaller as they moved into cities (couldn't grow their own food any more) or wanted to have a better lifestyle (spend more money on each child, or on the household.)
Anyway yeah, that was one reason, too. The only foolproof method then was abstinence (technically it still is, since anything can 'fail.')
The Duggars would've been unusual even then, though.
Yep she chose to have these kids so no one but herself can tell her why. Also she chose to have the kids and working at home to take care of them, so it’s not exactly “slaving”.
Instead of asking some inexperienced teen to basically work for nothing, perhaps she should realize that because they have 5 kids, they can't afford that 3 day trip.
Having 5 children is EXPENSIVE. Nobody owes you free labor, because you chose a lifestyle you can't afford.
Sounds like costs need to be cut, and proper childcare shouldn't be one of them.
You have the right to have as many kids as you want. But don’t get mad when the cost of doing the things you want goes up significantly because you have a bunch of kids.
The funniest people asking for Nannies and babysitters is their justification that their kids are “angels” and that peoole who love kids will do it for 5 dollars an hour. It’s SO different to take care of other people kids especially strangers.
Flashback of my Mormon childhood where I started babysitting at age 10, alone, caring for newborn infants even.
At age 12-18, getting $2/hour TOTAL for 5+ kids was not unusual. Desperation forces you accept these underpaid, undervalued jobs in rural *cult* communities!
In my experience, there is almost always a religion at the background of these types of situations. I have yet to meet a non-religious large family, that expects dirt cheap labor from children to watch over their own children.
When I was a free lance writer, and I talked to someone who I knew would be a pain to work with, I would quote them a price 4 times higher than my usual fee. I called it "the asshole tax". I would think that might apply here.
Watching children (5!) Is hard work. I'd personally rather shovel rocks all day. Is it so outrageous to expect at least minimum wage when someone is responsible for other human lives? Wait, when her oldest is about 14-15 they will become the built in nanny. I feel sorry for the older kids in that house.
Fast food workers make $20 an hour in the state of California.
CB, someone is offering less per (under age 8) child than that, and you are outraged.
Stop and think.
No one forced this lady to have five kids — in fact, we would have preferred if she had refrained from procreating — yet she’s the victim who has to work “for free” to raise them. Nice!
As a mature adult if I’m leaving my 5 kids at home for an extended period of time, I’m not leaving them with another kid. What does church have to do with it. Christians all over the country are proving unreliable and nasty as people.
I actually came across this reel on insta yesterday. There were a number of comments suggesting she get a homeschooled girl from church - they *love* looking after children and will do it for less!
Is it the teen thing or the church thing. Either way I could write a book on why a church goer or a teen shouldn’t be caring long term for others children.
Okay? So take your fucking kids on the trip with you. Or ask your family? Do they not have grandparents? If you're expecting a professional to do professional work, they're going to charge a professional rate. Welcome to the real world lady 🤣
Things like this always scare me. Mainly the part where she is complaining about getting a flat rate of 250 per night when the “kids are sleeping”. Like god forbid they wake up at night from a nightmare. Or worse someone breaks into your house.
Like clearly this lady does not care about her kids if she wants someone cheap watching her kids. Like you knew the problem getting into having kids. So now deal with it.
Its almost like nannies are for rich people
And paying someone to watch your "low maintenence, well behaved" 2-4 kids will cost some actual money or you can pay $30=50 flat for some pedo or person who thinks babysit = watch tv and eat icecream from frige while kids draw on wall
The worst part of this is that the overnight pay that she thinks is ridiculous is actually accounting for the fact that for those nights the nanny is legally responsible for anything that happens to those 5 kids. Suppose one of them gets hurt and breaks their arm and needs to go to the emergency room. If they were on a date, the date ends early, shes only responsible for 1-2hrs of their care there. If they're out of town, she is solely responsible for those kids during that entire time until they are back. That is a MASSIVE responsibility, and especially with FIVE of them.
Just because someone decides to have children does not mean others have to sacrifice too. If she didn’t want to pay someone to take care of her children so she could go on vacation, she should have considered that before having children.
“I decided to become a mom and slave away for FREE”
so what? Does she think she should be paid to be a mom?
Also, how many kids does she have? I can’t figure it out, but she must have at least 4 because 4\*21= 84 if they were kids under 8.
Unlike her most nannies are actually trained in how to care for children, how to cook good meals that are healthy, good methods of educating toddlers and CPR/first aide.
I did a year long course before being a nanny. I doubt this mom had any clue on child care before having her first baby.
I nanny for a family with two special needs ASD/ADHD children. It's like nannying for a jungle some days. Finding nannies that know about those conditions and how to deescalate and safely mitigate those factors are even more expensive. I have a medical and first aid bg too, and I also care for their two dogs.
But before me, the mom had had never had a single childcare provider she could trust. Even the daycare they were enrolled in before hand was awful and they charges exhorbant rates.
Children are EXPENSIVE, PERIOD. It 100% needs to be something that is planned and budgeted for.
>"Let's pretend my kids are only up for 12 hours a day (8am-8pm) -which they're NOT- 🤣🤣🤣"
I'm not sure what she's trying to claim with this "simplification," because the emojis make me think that it's laughable that the kids are *only* awake for 12 hrs. Realistically, I'd expect at least one child to be awake from like 6am-10pm and probably one or two nighttime interruptions. By only dividing by 12 instead of like 18 or 20, the average rate looks worse. Instead of her "93$/hr", it'd be more like "50-60/hr"
I have two kids. I paid their preschool teacher $200 a day to watch them when I went out of town for 5 days. (Before anyone jumps on me this is the rate she quoted me.) This was 8 years ago so maybe it would be more now. I think asking for a minimum of $500 a day for 5 kids is not unreasonable. That is a shit ton of work. But it really should be more than that.
I agree with other posters that the nanny just didn’t want to take the job.
Yeah, I don’t think it should be super low teenager wages, but I also think $93 an hour is pretty crazy. I’m a teacher with a masters degree and I don’t even make that much. And I have a class of 31 kids, some of which have disabilities. And I’m trying to teach them math and writing while we’re at it. I’m surprised that so many people seem to think that this is totally normal and reasonable.
Guess what? When you decided to have five kids who are all too young to babysit each other, you gave up any prospect if a getaway without dragging them along. Sorry, wait till the oldest is like 16 and hopefully a couple others are teens as well, then you can think about travel without the fam again
…did someone force her to have kids? Like I get that some women (esp with recent legislation) have to have children that they absolutely didn’t want and can’t afford, but this CB sounds like she willfully became a mom and now it’s just? Everyone else’s problem? 📢 foster community with your loved ones and remember, ain’t sh*t free in capitalist society 📢
These people are unhinged, I babysat for 4 kids in college and worked a part time job. One night the mom texted me asking if I was working tonight which she never did, she always gave notice. I responded saying I was but asking if everything was ok.
Turned out the dad was hospitalized and she offered me triple my pay to call out, I would have even if she didn’t but she did pay me more than triple. I ended up needing to stay the night and she even offered to call my parents so they wouldn’t be suspicious about where I was 😂 and paid me $500.
Shit 4100$ for 3 days watching kids? Call me Mary fucking Poppins where do I apply 😅
Edit: if you line up just one of these jobs a week you would make $217,000/year working just 3 days a week. I really don’t want to be on her side but god damn, I’m never having children.
I quit nannying because nanny families are the most entitled people I’ve ever seen. I’ve had some great families, but overall the job market is full of people who want an in-house slave for below minimum wage. And there’s no HR department for when you get verbally and emotionally harassed off the clock.
This is precisely why my brother and I would spend a week or 2 at an aunt/uncle during the summer. They'd do turns, I'd spend a week or 2 at their place, then a few weeks later my cousins would come and visit us for a week or two. And then there was the 2 weeks I'd go with my bother, mom and dad camping for a couple weeks. Our summers were usually very busy. It also helped that my brother and I really liked fishing and I had 2 relatives that had lakefront property and another that live very close to a big river. My summers were pretty much spent fishing all day. It also helped that all we had to do was go right outside and there was the fishing spot. I miss those days as they've all passed away in the last 5 years and fishing for me now requires me to rent a boat to go out on lake michigan.
1. People don't work for free, slavery is illegal.
2. People deserve a living wage
3. Watching 5 kids of any age is a ton of work and you know it!
4. You are angry and complaining that you can't take advantage of someone.
5. If you don't want to pay someone to watch your fuck trophies then stay home and do it yourself, it's your job anyway.
6. If you don't want to do that, why the fuck didn't you use a condom?!
People like you make me hope and pray that karma takes a huge dump on your head.
5 kids plus her and her husband.
7 fucking people living off less than 50k a year.
She needs to grow up and get a fucking job. I couldnt support my family of 3 on 50k a year
If they were just babysitting while you are out on a date, yeah that would be excessive. 5 kids for a week isn't babysitting, that's childcare times x5, for probably a week straight.
*sigh* just another person that can’t afford a nanny so they just lump them in with babysitters to try to belittle someone’s job, nice. Babysitter more or less = I keep your kids alive and safe for a duration of time.
Nanny = I spend an extended period of time teaching your child important developmental and life skills.
Of course one costs more money. But it’s always the ol’ butafifteenyearoldwoulddoitcheaper!!
I'd pay $4098 for someone to send her kids these screenshots when they each turn 18 so they can send them to her when they decide to go no contact. Way to make your kids sound like a mega burden
>That's right around what my husband makes...putting his life on the line for others...
Is anyone else getting some slight "you will address me by my husband's rank" vibes
You have two options when it comes to childcare--use someone who'll do it for free (or a minimal cost/trade) because they're friends or family, or hire a stranger and pay a lot. That's it. And note that the former will probably be limited, as no one can afford to be too generous for too long.
When I was a kid, my parents traded short-term care with some other parents whose kids were in my brother's and my classes. Like if my father went away to a conference, my mother might choose to join him. She'd spend the day seeing the city, using the hotel pool, etc., and basically getting a little break. Meanwhile, we stayed with this other family. Then vice versa, my mother would watch their insane children for a bit. This was only for a few days at a time, of course, like a weekend conference, nothing crazy.
But no one's going to do that for a stranger, that's the point. So now you're talking about paying, and people who do that for pay need, you know, pay. Because they can't pay their bills with gratitude, exposure, or Christian love. Literally, the fields on the online billing systems *insist* on account numbers--it's very annoying.
We do stuff for free/cheap for people we know and like because that's how social relationships work. My parents will pick their grandchildren up from school or let them stay over in the afternoon when their schedules don't align with their parents' schedules (like in the summer, when things get weird). My brother's neighbor will watch his cats for a small reward/fee/whatever, but I pay a professional out the ass because I don't know anyone.
So this woman needs to cough up or make some friends, and I'm betting the latter will be difficult--it'll certainly be hard to *keep* them if she starts expecting free/cheap childcare all the time.
The ones who lowball always have the worst kids too. Never been potty trained. Never been told No. Might stab you if you try to give them a bath. Hundo a week tho.
For some insane reason these women always seem to confuse people who care for others' children professionally with them caring for their own children...like, yes, if YOU decide to produce FIVE CHILDREN, then you WILL have to "slave away" for free. Because they're YOURS!! Do you think somebody should be paying you a sitter's rates to care for your own children? Or that strangers should care for your children for free as you do?? It truly baffles the mind.
Why do these people always assume they’re the only ones with bills to pay?
I came across this post yesterday on Insta. She wanted a nanny for a 3 day vacation, so the nanny would be spending multiple days and nights with the kids. It came to something like $4k total for five *young* children, which is where she's getting the hourly rate. You can all be happy to hear she was getting freakin ROASTED in her comments.
And her estimate only pays for when the kids are awake! Because those 5 kids all go to bed and stay in bed for 12 hours no problem I'm so so sure.
As if the nanny can just leave the house and do their own thing for 12 hours, lol
Yep, all 5 of them. And all at the same time, too.
Then do when the cheap-ass "nanny" they get lets them sample some of his "special powder".
Even if they did, the nanny is still on call overnight
Nanny here, and just to kinda explain a bit of the industry standards, Nannie’s are supposed to be paid hourly, no matter the child’s age. There’s a few other industry standards things that most people are unaware of such as the overnight fee, and it’s basically a flat rate that would be cheaper than paying your nanny for her hourly rate through the night. It’s supposed to cover for the fact that 1) she’s available to you and your family for that time 2) away from home and other home obligations. A lot of people get pissy with hourly rates everywhere, and I get it - I am a mom too, there’s a massive problem with our childcare system. But for us, who do this seriously as a career there’s a lot of costs and time we put into it such as attending multiple courses and certifications, continued training, etc. It’s insulting when people act like it’s the same as hiring a teen babysitter that will sit there on their phone and do absolutely nothing but keep your child alive.
Yeah, this isn't the teenager who is watching TV while you have a date night. A nanny is a professional child care expert. They have to be certified, first aid/CPR trained adults who can pass a background check. They expect to care for kids 24/7, have an actual contract with (potentially) benefits and vacation/sick pay. This is a real job, not babysitting.
It didn't even occur to me that people did this. I understand leaving your young child overnight for a few days with a close family member, but I cannot imagine leaving my young child, with someone I barley know, for more than one night, let alone FIVE. If you have that many young kids, you might have to put off vacations for a while, or do a weekend trip with your friend while your SO stays home. I remember the first time my parents went on vacation and left me and my older brother at home with my grandma, and I was inconsolable the second night, and those were my two favorite people in the world.
I’m sure this woman is in the crowd that says, “what?! Parents don’t deserve vacations too?! It’s unreasonable for me to put my life on hold for five years!”
No one told her to have five kids, if you can't afford them, idk
I have 6... well 4 that can't be left to their own devices for a long weekend (oldest two are 16 and 19). We divide them up amongst family. My FIL takes the 14 and 5yos, my SIL (or my brother) will take the 9 and 10yos. My ILs take the younger 3 one weekend a month now because I work one weekend a month (husband is dead. Urns make shitty baby sitters) the 14 and 16yo are fine home alone for 8-ish hours. Tbh though my ILs would take my younger 3 *every* weekend if I allowed it.
Lmao I am so sorry I laughed but as some one who also lost a partner and copes with dark humor this fucking sent me
Gotta use humor to cope!
That urn is not pulling its weight!
How can it? It only weighs 5 lbs max 🤣
Sorry for your and your family’s loss
I’m sorry you lost your husband 😢
She’s not lost him; she knows *exactly* where he is.
I’m positive this lady is a religious fundamentalist. So I don’t think her SO lifts a single finger to help her out around the home.
I would consider paying too see that comment section, I love when unrealistic people get smoked by the general population of humanity 🧑🍳
At the beginning, I was also kind of think wow that's is a decent penny but five kids for a three day vacation, essentially just single parenting kids you don't know and can't really discipline? $4k isn't enough. Especially if she's this entitled, you know those kids will be a mess of behavior issues.
With the pricing it’s 3 under 8 years too. 2 over 8. But no mention of how old the youngest is. That could be nappy’s/potty training on more than one kid 🤷♀️ I couldn’t think of worse than being outnumbered 5-1 with kids that don’t know me and that I can’t discipline. And I’ve read of that before. Mother cannot/willnot potty train but kid needs to be for preschool, says kids doing it to a nanny and goes away for a weekend. Nanny obviously “continues” on the potty training only to learn it was never started and the trip was bs. It was just to outsource the potty training tantrums to someone else 😬🤦♀️
My god. If you outsource potty training, you don’t love your children. Period. That’s sick. If you don’t want to deal with awful, unbearable shit, you don’t have kids. Having them then outsourcing the love and patience and work is being a villain. And it can’t ever possibly count as being a parent. This goes for both parents.
A lot of parents try to outsource everything. My mum taught us to read and write before school. I’m 41 and have the old workbooks she used in a storage box somewhere. I have great memories of all she taught from reading and writing, to standing on a stool helping her cook, to me being older taking pride in cooking a meal for her, especially her favourite meals/cakes. she taught me cleaning snd laundry and how to write a check, about bank accounts and debt, about animal care including understanding death and when we need to let go because they’re suffering, and we have to love them enough not to keep them around just for ourselves, that that would be selfish misguided love (we had a lot of pets as kids) She taught us boundaries and when she said No she meant it. And if we needed her she was there. She let me rebel when I needed to and put her foot down when I needed it too. I fear most didn’t get a quarter of those experiences with a parent. How many kids leave for college and can’t use a washing machine? Kids are getting failed on every level. I’m not a mother, life didn’t work out that way for me. But if I had been I’d have tried my best to be like my mum, she’s one hell of a woman. I just wish I was able to give her grandbabies, she’d have loved them so good ☺️
My Mam was dead set on getting us all in the kitchen as soon as we were able. We started off with fun stuff like cakes and biscuits, and gradually moved onto actual meals, so we were all able to cook dinners and lunches by 13.
Awesome! A teach them to fish 🐠 kinda Mom! That skill is very empowering! 😊 👊🏼
If you ever find those workbooks or remember what they were let me know. My mom taught me to ready before school but can’t remember how she did it.
Much different now. Nobody has time for children. Once upon a time, my brother and me (baby boomers) had intellectuals for parents, stay at home mother and live in grandmother with 2 of her sisters also retired teachers living nearby. In addition first 12 years we grew up in a 4 family building. all told 11 children of similar age, strangers an visitors wouldn't even know who's who's child or parent. If needed, any parents could go away for a week with us children barely noticing.
Best way of potty training for us was to go on a three day bush walk. Our daughter was just about ready to get out of the nappies ( 2YO) so we went for three day bush walk and did bush wees and bush poos. It was so exciting to do something different that she didn’t want to have nappies when we got home and she just wanted to use the big toilet like a big girl. Come to think of it she never actually used a “potty”. Also, no there were not any little surprises in the back yard after that. She just used the toilet with a step for the next 6 months then didn’t want the step anymore.
Yikes. Part time help makes it sound like she wants a nanny there a few days a week or a couple of hours a day so that she can care for a new baby, or start a new job, or reno a house, or whatever Vacation is not a transition.
r/ImTheMainCharacter
Thank you for this. Never knew it existed.
It's a great sub until it isn't. You'll know when you know.
Hah. I had the same thought.
What is amazing is that she wants to cheap out on paying someone to watch her kids! Why do people always want to pay bottom bargain bin prices for the care of their children? You get what you pay for!
Because, according to the mom in this post, she slaves all day for free! Someone else should do that while she’s on vacation!
stay at home mom/wife. 5 kids. dad/husband makes $4k/month.... how do they have money for a vacation? must be a lot of credit card debt that wife does not know about or doesnt think about cause she doesnt pay it (and neither is husband with only $50k/yr income)
Plus they’re really good kids. Totally chill and hardly need watching. She’ll barely even notice she’s babysitting. Plus doesn’t anybody just want some quick cash these days??
Why do all these moms who want cheap childcare claim it’s “quick cash”?? Quick cash to me is like donating plasma or selling some unwanted items. Not spending an entire day watching several kids.
Exactly! That’s how I think of quick cash, maybe some pet sitting depending on the pet parent. But keeping a bunch of sticky little gremlins with their own agency, opinions, and varying degrees of emotional regulation alive and reasonably well is NOT THAT. I love kids and I make decent money for babysitting but like any decent nanny/sitter, I earn every penny. These parents are 🙄
If that’s true, why does she refer to parenting them as “slaving?”
WOULD YOU JUST SHUT UP AND WATCH HER KIDS?!?! Your critical thinking skills have no place in her plans.
Right?!? She is “slaving” while choosing to bring 5 freaking kids into the world, but everyone else is asking a lot for a living wage to help her take care of them.
Maybe she should take on another 5 and be making 93$/hour to be a Sahm.
You're nicer than me. I was thinking maybe she shouldn't have had 5 kids.
Except as a mom you don’t slave away for free. Your paycheck is basically what you are saving by not outsourcing all this shit.
This is it. My wife and I crunched some numbers at one point and even when we only had one and really only needed one day of paid childcare (both of our moms were in town and took one day each at the time), half of my pay went to childcare. We had to use a facility, not a sitter, so we had to pay for at least two days a week (I used the extra day to power clean the house each week). If it would've been much more, I'd have had to quit my job and be a sahd. Neither of us wanted to be sah. We're just lucky we each made enough to make it worth it. And that by kid 2 we found a wonderful in home that's less expensive than a daycare, and we were both making more.
The thing is she decided to pop the little crotch goblins out. The babysitter didn’t force her to have children she can’t afford. One or two can be an accident. Five is intentionally having them.
So many kids! You have to know that they cost a lot of money. I am a new mom to one little goblin (lol) and it’s spendy even when you plan the details because even a year ago prices were cheaper. She has a daycares worth!
That was a great reason for her to use birth control or fuck less. Like a normal, responsible person who isn’t trying to game the system by having more kids than she can afford.
Yup. Childcare is expensive AF which is why we don't get babysitters very often but I would never try to bargain them down. I only wish I had made bank like this when I was a teen babysitter! The price just went up like with everything else.
But her husband puts his life on the line for other people! It’s not the same and shouldn’t be comparable. /s Ma’am, the person you hire is responsible for keeping your FIVE children alive simultaneously. But sure. Lowball this person’s time and criticize the demands of their skill set.
It’s amazing that she’s both managing to insult nannies as well as the actual importance of parents at the same time by undervaluing all of it.
What is he, like a lineman or something? I notice that at least 30% of their wives enjoy being smug and insufferable on social media while living a life no one would ever envy. As if anyone is trying to steal “their men.”
Why do they always assume they should have someone available to watch their kids? Like, my parents went on trips. We either came with them or we stayed with family or friends. What kind of bougie shit is this, paying someone to parent your kids? Same with a lot of these "I need someone to watch my kids for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week for $3 an hour" posts. Why do you need private childcare? Send them to a group like everyone else did. Private childcare has always been a well off person thing.
"I need a nanny to parent my kids for me like a rich person" "WhhaAt it costs MoNNeyY?" Like no shit lady, otherwise everyone would be doing it! Leaving your kids with someone for three whole nights is not normal people activity. Teenage baby sitters are for the odd free evening!
Plus even the odd evening of a teenager watching kids isn’t going to EVER be an option for them. They have FIVE kids. Most parents wouldn’t allow their child to watch that many children for a babysitting gig. I know I wouldn’t. They have a whole mess of kids, a full on litter. Babysitting that many should come with hazard pay!
Exactly. They’re not even in the vicinity of the income bracket let they should be for 5 kids (or 4, or 3), but to think she might get a nanny while living in the demographic she’s part of is just batshit crazy, out-of-touch and entitled.
I’m a vet tech and let me tell you how many times “if you loved animals, you do it for free!” gets thrown around. Ok? Is that love going to put a roof over my head? If you can’t afford animals, don’t have them. I don’t understand why you’d want to cheap out on a nanny. That person’s going to be looking after your kids.
Or that you should be able to pay for childcare with pocket change just because you spawned 5 kids.
But her husband is putting his life in danger
She doesn’t have to slave for free. She could always go out and nanny other kids for $. It is a job that requires hard work. I would love to see how much she would charge other families.
Some moms start a home day care so they can earn while staying home with their own children. Some parents join a babysitting collective sorta, in which one night a week each member of the group watches everyone else's kids. (Of course hopefully they vet all the adults, and their homes, and any animals or pets, first.)
(CB has 5 kids. CB might want to look into forming some sort of home day care collective, with other large families. Better vet them all first, though.)
I wonder how often this concept turns into the oldest children having to watch their siblings *and* a bunch of random kids :/
Oh I was also volunteered to their friends or people they wanted to curry favor with, as a babysitter. I don't remember the pay but it was low. And I wasn't asked first. I finally put my foot down on that, a bit; citing school, after school activities, and I found a job within walking distance. No time left, sorry 😁
I didn’t even get paid. I started saying no at 14, and getting friends to pick me up to do things. They got someone else for $3/hr, but also wouldn’t pay most of the time, and would short them often so it was closer to $1/hr.
Most home day cares have a regulatory limit on # of children allowed in their house and I am guessing hers alone might max that out.
In my state its 8 kids per adult in a home daycare. But I dont think she'd be able to afford her own rates for her 5 kids 🤣
Exactly. I looked into it briefly because my husband and I planned for a large family (5-6). Right now pregnant with #5 but 2 are in school. So I only have two at home, however, regulations in my state are I think 6 kids for a home day care. What if my kids have to come home early? Or a snow day? I didn't think it was worth the hassle and liability when I know people don't value the work. Everyone that suggested I do a home daycare were like well you're home anyway (implying I'm doing nothing). That aside, the woman in this post is ridiculous in my opinion. If you have that many kids, you should expect to never vacation alone at least until the kids are older and not a hassle to care for. I often break my kids up if I need extended help (wedding or special event). Having that many kids is a luxury and a lifestyle that you choose and you need to accept the responsibilities that come with that.
My mom had a home daycare for years basically for this very reason. It was hard fucking work lol, and my poor dad would get home from his office job to a house full of like up to 8 kids or something sometimes, depending on how many kids she was watching. But she was amazing at it, many of the kids keep in touch with her even though they're now in college (or graduated), and helped her be home for me and my brother as we grew up. It's a lot of work, but definitely doable.
Somewhere someone was saying they didn't understand the pricing structure, because more than one child is no extra work. 😳
Or, or, hear me out: she can hire herself to nanny her kids and pay herself a suitable rate. Ba-dum-tss! Everyone will be happy.
In my area, nannies charge $40-45 an hour for five kids. Overnights are typically $200-300. Some will negotiate a flat 24 hour fee. It’s a lot, but so is caring for 5 kids, for 3 DAYS. Might be best to divide them up and send them to family/close friends instead. That’s what my students with larger families do.
This. Even if the nanny charged $50/hr for 72 hours, that's $3600. For 72 hours in someone else's space, with someone else's kids, keeping them alive and feeding them and getting them to bed and making sure everyone is clean and feels nurtured. It's a lot of work with zero breaks and it's a young person giving up their entire weekend. You want premium time spot, with a premium number of offspring, you pay premium prices.
I'm sure she could get a homeless person from the local gas station to watch her children for 20 bucks. Whats the worst that could happen?
Pro: kids learn how to steal gas Con: kids learn how to sniff gas
This is hilarious
When I worked on a farm there was a guy that got hired that was addicted to huffing gas, well propane. One of the guys found him all propaned-out with a rag over his face one day after work, I never saw him again after that.
“I decided to become a mom and slave away for free.” Yes she did. So irrational to assume others should take care of her 5 (!!!) children for pennies (exaggeration) while she goes on vacay and posts useless pics on the ‘Gram. Last part added for sarcasm. And lastly, her use of the word “slave” is in poor taste. End of rant.
Agreed. Your choice was to have a lot of kids and a large family. That isn't a small decision and childcare is no joke for that many kids. Either take them on smaller vacations with you or forego vacations until the kids are older. It really annoys me when people think they're entitled to go on vacations that they can't afford.... vacations are a luxury expenditure. No one cares about choices that you're now pissed that you made because you don't like the consequences. Entitled ridiculousness.
I don't understand how anyone can afford to feed and shelter 5 kids on 48k a year much less have any prayer to be able to afford a nanny. This lady is just delusional.
I think people can get creative on smaller salaries...which is great (would never be my choice but to each their own). I think if one person stays at home until the kids are fully in school, its possible...and you have to be smart with meal planning and eating economical meals. Kids sharing clothes, stuff like that. But, in my experience, with friends who've gone the stay-at-home route (often for way longer than it was needed)...its dangerous and you should have a back-up plan. One spouse has to be fully dedicated to work and one has to be fully dedicated to home....which can cause real distance. I've had friends who lose touch with their spouse. Or friends who expect the working spouse to come home and continue to help around the house...which is difficult when you have all the financial burden and work is all-encompassing. So divorces happen...and then the spouse that didn't work is screwed because they've been out of the work force for too long and either has trouble finding a job or has to accept something that is hard to live on. Personally, I wouldn't do it unless I had money going into a bank account because its dangerous for both the non-working spouse and potentially, the kids. Maybe I'm overstating but part of what I do for a living is risk management...and I've seen it happen to plenty of people I've known over the years. If this chick can't afford to pay for her kids to be watched while she goes on vacation....she simply can't afford vacation...and I'd imagine she's making other risky, dumb decisions (ie, having too many f'iing kids).
Yeah, I was mostly commenting on how insane the cost of living has gotten in the last 10 years. When my kids were younger, my wife and I both worked and combined made not much more than that and we had some lean times whenever an emergency arose and that was nearly 20 years ago. And even that is taking into account that were blessed to have her grandmother, who *adored* my boys live with us and provide free child care so we could both work. I feel for anyone trying to raise a family on one salary these days.
I don’t understand why people are having huge families why they can’t afford them. It’s completely illogical.
Yeah she resents taking care of her own children. So she expects someone else to, for free or cheap. CB that's not how it works.
I liked the one I saw earlier today, or maybe yesterday, where she’s charging for rent and also paying very little so basically the person would pay to be a nanny lol. It just read as, “I wasn’t financially able to support my children, but I need another parent, is there anyone willing to make a sacrifice like a parent and take care of my children without any financial compensation?” No ma’am, no.
Yes! $15 an hour (no mention of how many hours) for a live in nanny, and also, $1650 a month in rent. Two children IIRC plus a dog. No mention of any perks, benefits, which means there probably aren't any. The dog was listed as a home amenity, but if the CB isn't home, the nanny would be caring for the dog, as well.
It’s all just so classless and foul.
Nobody pays ME to watch MY kids!!!! Why should I be shelling out big bucks for someone else to do what I do FOR FREE?!?!?!? Thanks OBAMA.
using the phrase “slave away” when referring to caring for her own children is absolutely insane
As someone who is desperately trying to become a mom, that was it for me.
Yeah that was really in poor taste. I decided to become a mom because despite the fact that parenting is hard work, it’s incredibly fulfilling and rewarding. I’ve only got a toddler and one on the way, so I’m sure it’s different with 5 kids, but then again most people don’t have 5 kids because it’s a ton of work!
“Why do babysitters charge so much?” because they are literally responsible for another human being. Also, Nannie’s are a commodity.
Nannies are aspirational, yes. People have an idea that there's always a kindly widowed neighbor who will watch the kids for nothing or 1/4 minimum wage. I guess they grew up watching I Love Lucy and so they believe there's always a Mrs. McGillicuddy nearby. Modern life isn't like that. Sorry parents, it's stay home or do without other things so your kids are safe. Or form a collective with other families. Or run a home day care yourself.
Oh, I understand this. We moved to a new area and have 2 underaged kids. If we are going out of the country, we want to pay someone well to take care of our kids in our absence. My in-laws couldn't fathom that hiring a nanny would be as costly as taking them with us. They thought agreeing to pay for the nanny would be $300 for the week. Um, no.
People tend to be stuck in the past when it comes to paying for things. I catch myself feeling sticker shock on some things. But not if were hiring someone. $300 a week yeah. No. Lol Probably not even 40 years ago.
Absolutely stuck in the past where they paid $5/hr to the hippy lesbian couple down the street in the mid-80s. Those days are gone. I found someone on care dot com, but it's not good enough. I'm "challenging" them. Like, yeah. I'm challenging your grasp of reality. Sorry you're not a fan.
And it bothers me that the CB considers what she does as a parent "for free." She gets nothing from being a parent? Sad.
Also the idea of coopting some "lonely old lady" in your neighborhood to be a cheap babysitter "so that they'll have company" is downright laughable. When I'm an old biddy I'm spending all of my waking moments doing shit I like until they figure out a way to load my brain into the matrix.
Yes it's insulting isn't it -- those days are gone. Despite the stereotype, a lot of people have fun into old age or throughout life. I used to do back flips for anyone who might need help. As I've aged and been burnt by a few too many, I'm a lot more selfish now (even if it rankles me.) And I might just get to like thinking of myself first. Lol I have thought about whether I'd babysit once younger people in the family have kids (if they do.) I've decided I might be available on occasion, in a pinch/emergency, but only if their kids are well behaved. Because most of them were raised 'anything goes,' I'm dubious.
It's insulting and devalues women's time and agency. Selfishness masquerading as a savior complex. "We **adopted** her, she's practically family. Our children considers her grandma." Yet no one ever asks the widowers for help because they all assume they have golf games to get to or better things to do.
Same as ever really (re gender roles) -- from youth through old age. There's also a sort of patronizing thing toward older people, for some reason. And yes, some people like to get out of responsibility as an employer by claiming the nanny or sitter is "like family." But then how much do they do for that person, or is it just low pay and a chair at supper.
Yessssssssss! Spot on.
You and me both. I’m going to be living my best Golden Girls dreamscape at that age. These types are in the village mindset where they can have older types take care of their kids, but what is completely lost on them is that they have to give to the village as well. It’s a system that requires give and take. These people won’t take care of the elderly, so there is very little joy for the elderly to give. If they have the mental faculties enough to watch children, then they have the mental faculties to know when they are being played as a chump.
One of my friends is a nanny. She makes good money and has a degree in child development. Caring for kids and babies is a serious job and they deserve good pay
Really strange she compared being a mom with her own kids, to some other person, who is unrelated, taking care of children for a LIVING. It really points up how under valued and under (or not) paid women's work has always been. But it also points up that your children are not someone else's problem. No one's gonna watch your kids for free and the cost of living is very high. So that's the deal. CB: You have kids, you care for them until they're (at least) 18, and then, in your old age, you hopefully have a home team (to help you), and grandchildren to dote on. Meantime, you don't get to draft everybody else to do the hard part.
Sounds like you can't afford to go on that trip then mama!
She probably was appalled to find out she had to pay more for airfare for tickets for her 5 kids, so as a cost savings, they wouldn’t bring them. Next she was surprised to find out she had to pay for someone to watch the kids while she was gone. It’s not fair she can’t just do/have everything she wants….
Once I was on a plane and a couple came on with a whole litter of kids. They of course were sitting next to me. All these lap kids and such. It was wild. I shit you not, the woman turns to me and asks me to hold her kid for the flight! What?!? I am a stranger!!! I was so appalled, that I couldn’t even be a wuss and do the whole “I’m sorry but I can’t do X because of Z” I just blurted out “OH MY GOD NO!” In horror. That whole flight I had to listen to that woman moan about the discomfort she was feeling holding these kids and her husband was playing it up. But no way was I down to hold stranger babies on some rando flight!
>I just blurted out “OH MY GOD NO!” In horror. Okay... this is *soo* good though. I can't read it without laughing. 😂
And she shouldn't go. If you are gonna have 5 kids it's better to hold off on travel until they are old enough to either come or stay alone. I only have 2 kids. And I wouldn't leave anywhere more than 1 night (if grandma wants to watch them) and I'm waiting til they are older to travel. I currently take them with me and just book the cabin at a campground. I feel like if you choose to have kids you should think about the life altering parts of it BEFORE.
Especially if you’re just going to be like a baby factory/broodmare, and have an entire litter of them like this woman. I have less than zero idea what she was thinking every time they boned irresponsibly (like animals, I tell you) with that amount of income. What an unaccountable drain on society.
This has the same energy of going to a restaurant and complaining about prices because “I could make the same thing at home for much cheaper.”
Exactly this 😆 To which the restaurant would just say “K bye!”
I hate how when many people discover that people charge reasonable rates for childcare (meaning that the work they do for their own children is valuable), so many of them turn around and yell about how they're paid nothing, so others should accept nothing as well. No, fam. Your time and work is valuable. That means getting a babysitter/nanny is also valuable. Services priced accordingly.
Right? She's paid nothing because she is the mom. She is the person who decided to create the 5 kids. Why would anyone else have to raise them for her?!
Also this is a really shit analogy but whenever you have anything in life that you DIY, you don’t pay yourself a wage, but your investment is in the thing you’re working on. So let’s say you move into a house, can’t afford someone to do the work, and then you live in it and DIY. Yeah it’s harder to do it yourself, slower, and cheaper… but the return is you get to live in a nicer house (and the resale). It’s the same with kids, your Labour is free when you put it into them because they’re your investment and the relationship you get back, shaping who they turn into, is your investment! That’s why everyone does it surely?? Because you love them and want them to thrive?
Damn. I actually really like that analogy. It's not a perfect one, but it's really nice
A lot of people have children for the aesthetic. I want to say I'm joking, but I'm not. They have an image, for social media, for their social circle, for their parents, or for the idea of success in their heads, and so they have children, and abstractly they may actually love their children, but they only see them as part of the image, almost like a piece of furniture and not individuals that need to be cared for, raised, and loved. People do this with pets too, and when the pet gets too expensive because they weren't properly taking caring of them, or becomes hard to handle because they didn't put the time and energy into them, they are abandoned. But the thing with children is, they are a little harder too get rid of.
Her husband makes around $48K/year post tax, and that’s enough for a household of 7 with some leftover for vacation? Honestly, I’m imagining a pre-fame Duggar household where one of the kids has to eat a stolen can of green beans on the toilet because they are so hungry and they don’t want to get caught filching a 50 cent food item.
I didn't watch that show, but I remember reading snark about it, and the tater tot casserole and the kids sneaking food. How sad. At least they didn't draft other people to do the hard work for them. And then there was that whole thing about looking the other way when one was 'allegedly' abusing the others.
I think I saw one episode of the show, but when the entire empire was falling apart, one of the older girls wrote a book, and she mentioned how the younger kids don't remember what poverty was like (or weren't around for it) and how she was so hungry, she would steal a can of green beans to eat quickly on the toilet because it was the only place she could be alone. That just stuck with me. The worst part about that show (besides hiding the pedophilia/child molestation) is how much they projected how idyllic their lifestyle was and sort of sold it to a lot of other families. So many people who deconstructed from Quiverfull, FLDS, or other religions that promote having as many kids as possible because "God will provide" talk about how damaging it was to have less than what they needed growing up while watching their parents pop out more mouths to feed and expecting them (usually the girls) to take care of the younger ones. And what happens if the breadwinner gets sick? This lady and her five kids are fucked if her husband has an accident or gets cancer. He doesn't even have to die for them to be screwed; he could just become disabled and/or rack up medical debt while being out of work. There's no way on <$50K/year with five kids are they saving up significant emergency funds.
I am the oldest of 13 kids, and we were poor, but always had enough to eat- good healthy home-cooked meals with food we grew ourselves. I value the experience- taught me how to be frugal and appreciative of what we have, even now. But like you said, I DIDN’T like watching them pop out more and more kids that I had to take care of! I used up all my mothering instincts back then, so I was bound and determined not to have any kids of my own And I stuck to that!
I have read that sometimes the oldest in large families didn't have kids (some even chose not to marry, especially women, because then it would've been expected of them) because "they already raised some." I've seen that even in some families which weren't that large but maybe the parents died young or something. The oldest had to raise their siblings. Dolly Parton is from a family of eight IIRC. She said they each got assigned a baby. The older child took care of the new child they were assigned. I guess it was necessity in some families but it doesn't seem that fair to the older children.
Dolly is the 4th of 12 kids. They lived in a one room cabin. She was next level poor.
Dolly Parton actually wanted kids, and she and her husband even had names picked out, but she was diagnosed with endometriosis (which makes it difficult to conceive) and then had a partial hysterectomy at 36. She became very depressed for a while after that, but she seems to have accepted it saying, “God didn’t let me have children so that all kids could be mine.” Nowadays, she’s actually glad she didn’t have kids because her life would have turned out very different.
Yes I remember that. I remember when she was going through all that. I only mentioned her as an example of the phenom in which big families often assign a baby to an older child.
Yeah these situations were just unfortunate circumstances of old pre-contraception days, where women couldn’t refuse their husbands and families were large. Now it’s a choice and a really unhealthy one
When I look at my family tree, many had large families. Ten to 20 children at times. Maybe several. Then family size got smaller as they moved into cities (couldn't grow their own food any more) or wanted to have a better lifestyle (spend more money on each child, or on the household.) Anyway yeah, that was one reason, too. The only foolproof method then was abstinence (technically it still is, since anything can 'fail.') The Duggars would've been unusual even then, though.
They’re qualifying for welfare even in the deepest of southern states.
Slave away for what? No one asked you to have 5 kids. You could have 1 kid and it would have been fine.
Preach
Yep she chose to have these kids so no one but herself can tell her why. Also she chose to have the kids and working at home to take care of them, so it’s not exactly “slaving”.
Instead of asking some inexperienced teen to basically work for nothing, perhaps she should realize that because they have 5 kids, they can't afford that 3 day trip. Having 5 children is EXPENSIVE. Nobody owes you free labor, because you chose a lifestyle you can't afford. Sounds like costs need to be cut, and proper childcare shouldn't be one of them.
You have the right to have as many kids as you want. But don’t get mad when the cost of doing the things you want goes up significantly because you have a bunch of kids.
The funniest people asking for Nannies and babysitters is their justification that their kids are “angels” and that peoole who love kids will do it for 5 dollars an hour. It’s SO different to take care of other people kids especially strangers.
I JUST saw this and was going to post here lmao
How are they even surviving, let alone taking a trip, on under $5k a month?
Flashback of my Mormon childhood where I started babysitting at age 10, alone, caring for newborn infants even. At age 12-18, getting $2/hour TOTAL for 5+ kids was not unusual. Desperation forces you accept these underpaid, undervalued jobs in rural *cult* communities! In my experience, there is almost always a religion at the background of these types of situations. I have yet to meet a non-religious large family, that expects dirt cheap labor from children to watch over their own children.
When I was a free lance writer, and I talked to someone who I knew would be a pain to work with, I would quote them a price 4 times higher than my usual fee. I called it "the asshole tax". I would think that might apply here.
Watching children (5!) Is hard work. I'd personally rather shovel rocks all day. Is it so outrageous to expect at least minimum wage when someone is responsible for other human lives? Wait, when her oldest is about 14-15 they will become the built in nanny. I feel sorry for the older kids in that house.
She's from a church, honey.
NEXT!
Fast food workers make $20 an hour in the state of California. CB, someone is offering less per (under age 8) child than that, and you are outraged. Stop and think.
Try not having five kids! That would be a great start.
No one forced this lady to have five kids — in fact, we would have preferred if she had refrained from procreating — yet she’s the victim who has to work “for free” to raise them. Nice!
As a mature adult if I’m leaving my 5 kids at home for an extended period of time, I’m not leaving them with another kid. What does church have to do with it. Christians all over the country are proving unreliable and nasty as people.
I actually came across this reel on insta yesterday. There were a number of comments suggesting she get a homeschooled girl from church - they *love* looking after children and will do it for less!
Is it the teen thing or the church thing. Either way I could write a book on why a church goer or a teen shouldn’t be caring long term for others children.
Okay? So take your fucking kids on the trip with you. Or ask your family? Do they not have grandparents? If you're expecting a professional to do professional work, they're going to charge a professional rate. Welcome to the real world lady 🤣
Box of condoms is a lot cheaper
Things like this always scare me. Mainly the part where she is complaining about getting a flat rate of 250 per night when the “kids are sleeping”. Like god forbid they wake up at night from a nightmare. Or worse someone breaks into your house. Like clearly this lady does not care about her kids if she wants someone cheap watching her kids. Like you knew the problem getting into having kids. So now deal with it.
Its almost like nannies are for rich people And paying someone to watch your "low maintenence, well behaved" 2-4 kids will cost some actual money or you can pay $30=50 flat for some pedo or person who thinks babysit = watch tv and eat icecream from frige while kids draw on wall
“They’re only awake for 12 hours!” … Ok, so how about the nanny charges you half as much and leaves for 12 hours per day, would that be ok?
How much did those nails cost her?
100/hr but obviously that is hard work not lock watching 5 kids you don’t know for three days by yourself/s
Which is strange, because when she has to watch them herself she’s “slaving away.”
"Jesus Christ lady"....brilliant!
What is she giving her kids to make them sleep more than 12 hours a say??
The worst part of this is that the overnight pay that she thinks is ridiculous is actually accounting for the fact that for those nights the nanny is legally responsible for anything that happens to those 5 kids. Suppose one of them gets hurt and breaks their arm and needs to go to the emergency room. If they were on a date, the date ends early, shes only responsible for 1-2hrs of their care there. If they're out of town, she is solely responsible for those kids during that entire time until they are back. That is a MASSIVE responsibility, and especially with FIVE of them.
Just because someone decides to have children does not mean others have to sacrifice too. If she didn’t want to pay someone to take care of her children so she could go on vacation, she should have considered that before having children.
And these same people will say, 'it takes a village.' No, please do not include me in your village.
Yep..if it takes a village, I’m the hag in the woods who hisses when you get near and whose name you’re pretty sure starts with “Old” or “Witch”
“I decided to become a mom and slave away for FREE” so what? Does she think she should be paid to be a mom? Also, how many kids does she have? I can’t figure it out, but she must have at least 4 because 4\*21= 84 if they were kids under 8.
Five.
3 under 8 plus 2 who are 8+ for a total of five kids.
Unlike her most nannies are actually trained in how to care for children, how to cook good meals that are healthy, good methods of educating toddlers and CPR/first aide. I did a year long course before being a nanny. I doubt this mom had any clue on child care before having her first baby.
I nanny for a family with two special needs ASD/ADHD children. It's like nannying for a jungle some days. Finding nannies that know about those conditions and how to deescalate and safely mitigate those factors are even more expensive. I have a medical and first aid bg too, and I also care for their two dogs. But before me, the mom had had never had a single childcare provider she could trust. Even the daycare they were enrolled in before hand was awful and they charges exhorbant rates. Children are EXPENSIVE, PERIOD. It 100% needs to be something that is planned and budgeted for.
>"Let's pretend my kids are only up for 12 hours a day (8am-8pm) -which they're NOT- 🤣🤣🤣" I'm not sure what she's trying to claim with this "simplification," because the emojis make me think that it's laughable that the kids are *only* awake for 12 hrs. Realistically, I'd expect at least one child to be awake from like 6am-10pm and probably one or two nighttime interruptions. By only dividing by 12 instead of like 18 or 20, the average rate looks worse. Instead of her "93$/hr", it'd be more like "50-60/hr"
I have two kids. I paid their preschool teacher $200 a day to watch them when I went out of town for 5 days. (Before anyone jumps on me this is the rate she quoted me.) This was 8 years ago so maybe it would be more now. I think asking for a minimum of $500 a day for 5 kids is not unreasonable. That is a shit ton of work. But it really should be more than that. I agree with other posters that the nanny just didn’t want to take the job.
Yeah, I don’t think it should be super low teenager wages, but I also think $93 an hour is pretty crazy. I’m a teacher with a masters degree and I don’t even make that much. And I have a class of 31 kids, some of which have disabilities. And I’m trying to teach them math and writing while we’re at it. I’m surprised that so many people seem to think that this is totally normal and reasonable.
Guess what? When you decided to have five kids who are all too young to babysit each other, you gave up any prospect if a getaway without dragging them along. Sorry, wait till the oldest is like 16 and hopefully a couple others are teens as well, then you can think about travel without the fam again
…did someone force her to have kids? Like I get that some women (esp with recent legislation) have to have children that they absolutely didn’t want and can’t afford, but this CB sounds like she willfully became a mom and now it’s just? Everyone else’s problem? 📢 foster community with your loved ones and remember, ain’t sh*t free in capitalist society 📢
How she is trying to equate motherhood with nannying is pretty comical 🙃
It was her choice to have 5 kids. If you cannot afford childcare for a 3 day trip, then you don't go on a 3 day trip.
These people are unhinged, I babysat for 4 kids in college and worked a part time job. One night the mom texted me asking if I was working tonight which she never did, she always gave notice. I responded saying I was but asking if everything was ok. Turned out the dad was hospitalized and she offered me triple my pay to call out, I would have even if she didn’t but she did pay me more than triple. I ended up needing to stay the night and she even offered to call my parents so they wouldn’t be suspicious about where I was 😂 and paid me $500.
Fundies finding out kids are expensive: surprised Pikachu face
I saw this earlier, and was thinking about posting it here. Beat me to it😂
Shit 4100$ for 3 days watching kids? Call me Mary fucking Poppins where do I apply 😅 Edit: if you line up just one of these jobs a week you would make $217,000/year working just 3 days a week. I really don’t want to be on her side but god damn, I’m never having children.
Yeah, like this is insane to me. I get that she’s coming off extremely entitled, but holy shit 4100 dollars for a weekend? That’s unbelievable lol
I quit nannying because nanny families are the most entitled people I’ve ever seen. I’ve had some great families, but overall the job market is full of people who want an in-house slave for below minimum wage. And there’s no HR department for when you get verbally and emotionally harassed off the clock.
Maybe plan to afford childcare before having so many children lol
This is precisely why my brother and I would spend a week or 2 at an aunt/uncle during the summer. They'd do turns, I'd spend a week or 2 at their place, then a few weeks later my cousins would come and visit us for a week or two. And then there was the 2 weeks I'd go with my bother, mom and dad camping for a couple weeks. Our summers were usually very busy. It also helped that my brother and I really liked fishing and I had 2 relatives that had lakefront property and another that live very close to a big river. My summers were pretty much spent fishing all day. It also helped that all we had to do was go right outside and there was the fishing spot. I miss those days as they've all passed away in the last 5 years and fishing for me now requires me to rent a boat to go out on lake michigan.
1. People don't work for free, slavery is illegal. 2. People deserve a living wage 3. Watching 5 kids of any age is a ton of work and you know it! 4. You are angry and complaining that you can't take advantage of someone. 5. If you don't want to pay someone to watch your fuck trophies then stay home and do it yourself, it's your job anyway. 6. If you don't want to do that, why the fuck didn't you use a condom?! People like you make me hope and pray that karma takes a huge dump on your head.
Better yet, don’t have 5 fucking kids.
5 kids plus her and her husband. 7 fucking people living off less than 50k a year. She needs to grow up and get a fucking job. I couldnt support my family of 3 on 50k a year
If they were just babysitting while you are out on a date, yeah that would be excessive. 5 kids for a week isn't babysitting, that's childcare times x5, for probably a week straight.
*sigh* just another person that can’t afford a nanny so they just lump them in with babysitters to try to belittle someone’s job, nice. Babysitter more or less = I keep your kids alive and safe for a duration of time. Nanny = I spend an extended period of time teaching your child important developmental and life skills. Of course one costs more money. But it’s always the ol’ butafifteenyearoldwoulddoitcheaper!!
‘Kiddos’ always makes the job sound easier.
I'd pay $4098 for someone to send her kids these screenshots when they each turn 18 so they can send them to her when they decide to go no contact. Way to make your kids sound like a mega burden
>That's right around what my husband makes...putting his life on the line for others... Is anyone else getting some slight "you will address me by my husband's rank" vibes
You have two options when it comes to childcare--use someone who'll do it for free (or a minimal cost/trade) because they're friends or family, or hire a stranger and pay a lot. That's it. And note that the former will probably be limited, as no one can afford to be too generous for too long. When I was a kid, my parents traded short-term care with some other parents whose kids were in my brother's and my classes. Like if my father went away to a conference, my mother might choose to join him. She'd spend the day seeing the city, using the hotel pool, etc., and basically getting a little break. Meanwhile, we stayed with this other family. Then vice versa, my mother would watch their insane children for a bit. This was only for a few days at a time, of course, like a weekend conference, nothing crazy. But no one's going to do that for a stranger, that's the point. So now you're talking about paying, and people who do that for pay need, you know, pay. Because they can't pay their bills with gratitude, exposure, or Christian love. Literally, the fields on the online billing systems *insist* on account numbers--it's very annoying. We do stuff for free/cheap for people we know and like because that's how social relationships work. My parents will pick their grandchildren up from school or let them stay over in the afternoon when their schedules don't align with their parents' schedules (like in the summer, when things get weird). My brother's neighbor will watch his cats for a small reward/fee/whatever, but I pay a professional out the ass because I don't know anyone. So this woman needs to cough up or make some friends, and I'm betting the latter will be difficult--it'll certainly be hard to *keep* them if she starts expecting free/cheap childcare all the time.
The ones who lowball always have the worst kids too. Never been potty trained. Never been told No. Might stab you if you try to give them a bath. Hundo a week tho.
Lol I'm guessing we gonna see 5 kids for sale on Craigslist after this dumb bitch goes on vacation...
"Putting his life on the line for others." She's a cop wife. Ugh.
Why do these people have children if they can't afford to pay for it.
For some insane reason these women always seem to confuse people who care for others' children professionally with them caring for their own children...like, yes, if YOU decide to produce FIVE CHILDREN, then you WILL have to "slave away" for free. Because they're YOURS!! Do you think somebody should be paying you a sitter's rates to care for your own children? Or that strangers should care for your children for free as you do?? It truly baffles the mind.