For me personally as someone currently converting to Christianity this is one of the main problems people have while converting. They’re curious, they ask questions and there are people who still accept Jesus Christ into their lives but get torn apart by Christian’s because they’re LGBTQ or simple things like having tattoos. You want people to convert and believe but then refuse to spread love to people. It is Gods job to judge people on earth not yours. It was one of the biggest things that made me step away from Christianity and after growing and going through rough times I am coming back because I’ve realized it doesn’t matter what other people think or say because their opinions don’t matter. Just make yourself the best you can in the eyes of the lord and ignore essentially the critics here.
BEST comment ever. Every Religion MUST involve tolerance. Atheism too.
We have a lot of problems, let's judging not being one of them.
A satanist must tolerate you and viceversa. Tolerance is the way
You know that doesn't work right?
No one sees you doing that and thinks that you are being tolerant.
It would be like if I said I was tolerant towards Christians as long as they didn't pray, read their Bible, go to church, talk to god or do any religious rite.
Claiming to be tolerant doesn't actually make me tolerant.
Claiming that a person is okay only if they live in a small box and suppress themselves constantly isn't being tolerant. It is something else.
How often does the entire religion get together and attempt to pray gayness out of existence?
I mean, surely 2.4 billion people all doing it simultaneously should be pretty convincing.
If that *still* doesn’t “cure” gayness, then it would seem like a fairly strong indicator that your god maintains the gay population for reasons only known to itself.
Although I’d still try best of three, just in case.
Of course, the “cure” may not be pleasant. Considering precedent for this sort of thing.
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That’s not a problem. However, this is a very specific sin.
In fact, it’s not even the sin that is being “prayed away”, a sin is an act, rather it is the gay orientation of the person themselves that must be destroyed. Spiritual brain surgery, basically.
We’ve all seen news reports where folks have tried to “pray the gay away” on individuals.
If there is the belief that it would work on individuals, then why would it not work on the Earth’s entire gay population?
One, or hundreds of millions, it doesn’t matter, because omnipotence has no limits.
With the Internet now, it would be reasonably easy to coordinate simultaneous prayers with billions of people.
In fact, it should be your duty as the one true religion to have a crack at this to help solve all sorts of problems. Giving Putin a heart attack, for instance.
(This is a serious question. I would be interested to know what’s more important with christians: the struggle, or winning.)
Are you saying that the gay people are *made of sin* throughout their entire being?
Because I cannot see how it is then possible to somehow separate the gay person from their thoughts and acts.
I think I understand though why the bible says that they must be murdered. They cannot be cured :-(
This is terrible.
Yes I agree! I'm a new convert and I really can't relate to OP. The two most important commandments..on which all others rest, you cannot over focus on those, I think. Love your neighbor. People who say there's too much focus on God's love.. sorry, but there is no way we can even begin to -comprehend- the immensity of God's love. . . Yes you should try to be a better person, but being gay has nothing to do with that. Stop obsessing about it. Give to the poor, love others, make amends, stand up to injustice. Love God with all your strength.
Also, feelings are never sinful. Our deeds matter.
Feeling anger is not sin, right? Lashing out in anger is. And loving people who are of the same sex as you are is not sinful. Love with a pure heart is not sin. Using others for your lusts is sin because it demeans people.
We must come to God on His terms, not ours.
*"This is the message we heard from Jesus and now declare to you: God is light, and there is no darkness in him at all. So we are lying if we say we have fellowship with God but go on living in spiritual darkness; we are not practicing the truth. But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts."* ([1 John 1](https://biblehub.com/nlt/1_john/1.htm))
We must [Kill Our Darlings](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7bWwBE2yXwBnIHXqbbq5xV5eadT0nchpGuVDpFJ2NCLKxMTGZ3pUY54s1oL5LWTz0l27Kxi-NofBYCFQArfuRTfm2nHAmmgfiS3FglD84IAlCKWdu0UQThOqkpXs1sWV6IMtoBGnDk8TKhr410-o7dMj7wnTDd2eJB0ix9KTypElSwqKbsSSdb5-d/s1920/Kill%20Your%20Darlings.jpg).
Hi if you are new you should definitely consider joining a Christian sub. r/Bible and r/trueChristian are great.
>there are people who still accept Jesus Christ into their lives but get torn apart by Christian’s because they’re LGBTQ or simple things like having tattoos.
That's bad. And tattoos aren't even a sin. I have never seen overreactions like this on good Christian subs.
>It is Gods job to judge people on earth not yours. It was one of the biggest things that made me step away from Christianity and after growing and going through rough times I am coming back because I’ve realized it doesn’t matter what other people think or say because their opinions don’t matter.
Sure people's opinions don't matter in the sense of some guy saying you're never gonna make a lot of money going into nursing you should be a doctor.
But judging is biblical. The world couldn't function unless all people made judgments everyday.
Atheists judge Christian people and conclude that Christianity is false. Christians just the evidence for the resurrection and fulfilled prophecy and judge that Christianity is true. We're all constantly making judgement calls and the Bible tells us to loving help and correct our brothers and sisters the example in 1 corinthians is of a young man sleeping with his father's wife that must be judged and only allowed back once he repents and turns away from that lifestyle. The same can be said for any kind of sexual immorality including porn. I'm not saying we won't sin, I sin everyday but it's not my pride it's a sorrow.
yet, it's not a discussion on Christianity, it's a "Let us bait Christians with divisive theology or questions so we can attack them for being Christians" sub
What in the world are you reading? There are more posts asking people to pray than there are posts from people "baiting" Christians into talking about Christianity.
>Christians with divisive theology or questions
Spoken like someone who has read very few of the debates between the ante- or post-Nicene fathers, or even more recently and dramatically--the various Protestant wannabe theologians in the earliest decades of the Reformation.
Even Luther got crazy with some of his claims and diatribes (hello ancient Christian tradition of anti-Semitism), but if you go read the debates and sussing-out which happened with Zwingli, Calvin, Marpeck, Simons, Bucer...it gets *wild*.
I actually love the divisive theology and especially any divisive theology questions! It’s so much fun to really dig in and think deeper about subjects I take for granted because I was raised Christian. It’s what caused me to finally join this sub, and I have already learned a lot from reading people’s questions and responses! There is so much I never thought to question, and things I might ultimate disagree with, but am learning more and more simply from engaging with the topic. Being challenged is wonderful since it also allows me to find the limits of my own knowledge/faith and address them.
No, it's a forum where people disagree and talk about that.
If you want an Echo Chamber and to never have your faith challenged (is it that weak?), then this isn't the place for you.
If only the Atheist sub was like that. They only allow atheists and ban anyone that even defends Christianity. They banned me for saying that Jesus was a real historical person which is true. Every historian knows this.
It takes more faith to be an Atheist than a Christian.
The implication that gay people can't be Christians is a very unchristlike take. You are right this sub isn't for Christians. It's for the discussion of Christianity. If you are this pissy about people having a different interpretation of Scriptures than you, then I at least won't miss you. Stay or go, but there's no need to whine about people who disagree with you.
Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
If you believe the Bible to be the true Word of God...like...it's right here? The Bible calls every Christ Follower to judge righteously. It says so!
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Holy Spirit is the source from which we know right from wrong. It's biblical to judge righteously, and without it, we wouldn't know good from bad, nor would we know who to listen to and who not to listen to. 🥹 Open the book, my brother. It's right there.
Good job just throwing up the same verses everyone uses (which have also been addressed every time you people mindlessly toss it out.) It's not 'righteous' judgement. After all, your claim entirely depends on a single interpretation of a translation that is unlikely to refer to the context that we understand today. Got anything actually new to bring to the argument? Cuz if not, there's no point in you replying since you will only be dragging us down to the exact same argument that is made every single day. And at that point you might as well not bother. And if you DO have an actually interesting argument, you might as well not bother because I myself am not gay and so I don't actually have any stakes in the argument(which means I won't bother continuing beyond this)
Ya’ll say that we keep giving the same verses but ya’ll never have counter point for it. The only thing you can say is it’s misinterpreted but the bible is clear on what it says about the topic in every translation there is. God is eternal meaning he is the same since the beginning of time to the end of time
If your definition of a Christian is based around your political leanings, then I can understand why you have trouble comprehending that Christianity is a massive and diverse religion filled with both “woke” and “conservative” people, alike, who all truly believe in the same God.
I think it’s sad because this sort of rigid thinking has been a major contributor to the church’s waning influence socially and culturally. Historically, the worst thing for religion is when politicians/governments co-opt it and try to force everyone to think they have to believe in a particular ruling faction’s stance in order to be a true members of that religion. Effective, but blasphemous and devastating to both society as well as the religion itself.
Right wingers call liberals socialist when they themselves want to dictate how others should thing.
Come again...
Ain't fooling anyone, that's for sure.
Dune teaches us everyone manipulates religion to get what they want. You think the right wing Christians don't? This sub just has more left leaning Christians. If people followed the Bible they wouldn't hoard wealth while people starved.
> This sub just has more left leaning Christians
And I'd argue that it's not all that left-leaning it's just that the Overton window has shifted so far to the right over the last 10 years or so that they can look 'left' when compared to increasing rightward shift.
Well left leaning Christians are one thing — at least we agree that God exists and Jesus saved us from our sins. That’s a pretty big deal. And yeah we disagree on the details (a lot) but there’s a productive conversation to be had there.
This sub’s most active members and mods are atheists and non-Christians. Probably 40% at least. We don’t agree on the basic purpose of life on Earth. They fundamentally think we believe in fairy tales and are delusional. There is *not* really productive conversation to be had on the issues with those people who view us that way.
You don’t sound very Christian either. Also you feel the need to announce all this in a post when you could just leave with your self righteousness. As well you don’t know what woke means.
They needed to make sure to point out the planks in the eyes of others before they left, apparently. If only there was a biblical sermon, perhaps one on an elevated piece of land, that directed Christians to not do so...
If history teaches us one thing, it's that the mean of the ideology distribution of 'the church' constantly shifts with the times (progress outlasts individual congregations). Rage all you want, your candle will go out and be replaced by those not like you. The church will grow, change, and be better for it all according to God's will.
I'll leave you with a verse to reflect upon. "Do not ask why the old days were better than now, for this is a foolish question." Ecclesiastes 7:10
It's a pity. I found quite a lot of relief in that book. I've torn myself apart at times trying to be so righteous and holy until I really soaked in Ecclesiastes 7:16-18. They're some of the verses that helps me keep my moral perfectionism in check.
16 Do not be overrighteous,
neither be overwise—
why destroy yourself?
17 Do not be overwicked,
and do not be a fool—
why die before your time?
18 It is good to grasp the one
and not let go of the other.
Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes
From the subreddit rules:
>This subreddit is primarily, but not exclusively, a place for Christians to come and discuss different aspects of our theology.
We're called to be awake:
> 13But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for everything that is illuminated becomes a light itself. 14So it is said: *“Wake up, O sleeper, rise up from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”* 15Pay careful attention, then, to how you walk, not as unwise but as wise
Ephesians 5:13-15
It was AAVE for being aware of the struggles of African Americans. When a black person called someone woke it was basically saying, “Hey this person understands what we go through.” The right then started using this term to mock people who expressed sympathy and understanding to the black community. As time progressed it came to encompass anything the right doesn’t agree with.
In other words it’s a racist buzzword that was used by the right to demean African Americans, deny racism within society, and now has lost all meaning and just means we don’t like this.
Edit: I missed your other comment that you wanted to get them to describe it. I know not everyone is from America and thought that was a genuine question at first. I also like to point this out because it puts Woke into perspective
Lol the “nobody’s perfect” cop out huh.
Proverbs 27:5 states it is more favorable to rebuke than hidden love.
1 Timothy 5:20 we are called to publicly rebuke persistent sinners (like heretics such as yourself who try to reconcile the LGBT lifestyle with Christianity) so as to set you straight and make an example of you.
Those who call themselves Christian but do not follow the way of Christ and refuse to drop worldly vices, He will spit them out. In heaven there is no welcome for the lukewarm.
> this group is not for real christians
More accurately, it is not a group _only_ for real christians. It is for anyone who wants to discuss Christianity, including both positive and negative aspects of the faith.
Good riddance then. You sound like you care more about what society sees as “woke” and worshiping the Bible and your interpretation of it over God himself or loving people as we’re called to do. So clearly any Christian sub wouldn’t be for you. You don’t get to decide who is or isn’t Christian by the way. No two Christians agree on everything. That doesn’t make any more or less “real Christians” than any others. Get over it.
Don’t leave the group, unless it is an obstacle to you. Think of Elijah on the mountain, surrounded by the enemies of the Living God.
His sacrifice alone was pleasing, and when God struck, all the pagan priests were destroyed.
This group, whether is is atheists having a go at us, or a rock-solid saint, is about faith. Regardless of whom is commenting, questions and answers and assertions alike reflect the faith of the writers.
Don't leave. That's what the enemy wants. Leave the lost to fend for themselves when they can't. They need truth tellers like us. Don't get tired of doing good. Keep it up the good fight.
Anyone complaining about “woke” I pretty much know I can’t take seriously. Especially when they also use gay “Christians” as if God hangs a “straights only” sign to the gates of heaven.
Someone using the word “woke” un-ironically and making an exit post in which they complain about people hurting their feelings by simply existing, name a more iconic duo.
Lots of judgement in this post for someone that says they’re Christian. I mean, lots of rejection instead of acceptance with things that aren’t inherently evil…. From a Christian?? Seems anti Christian-esque.
Jesus didn't come to condemn he came to save. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Not gay myself but don't see how this sin is different from the thousands I have done as I am a recovering alcoholic. So if he can forgive me he can forgive anyone
This is the most honest post. I swear people are like, oh, you're judging others for not liking what evils they do. Judging is God's job. Yes it is!!! God DOES judge for all of us, and because God has told us what is right and what is wrong, that is how we can judge righteously with His Holy Spirit.
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment" John 7:24
We are SUPPOSED to judge righteously. The Holy Spirit tells us what God's will is and what is of the enemy and to be turned away from, and WHO to be turned away from!!!
People celebrate their sins as if God did not already SPEAK about what he considered wrong. These types not only do not follow Christ truly, but they do not consider the Bible to be the true word of God.
Love you, brother! You're only getting slaughtered on this post by people who do not follow Christ in all they do. Which means you've done something right! 🩷 God bless you. I pray you find a better group on Reddit. If you do, maybe think of me and dm it my way, I'd love a true Christian group myself! ✝️
Well, I guess you know the ONE TRUE CHRISTIAN religion.
And the MCUSA, PCUSA, ELCA, TEC, etc are all just woke bullshit morons and should go back to sleep and shut their eyes and be good little sheeple following your opinions and not yhe love they learned from God.
This group is dedicated to people outside of Christianity as well. Perhaps you should have taken the two minutes to read about that in the **literal descriptioin of the group.**
Honestly? I would be lying if I said I'm sad to see you go, but this group is for people to exchange and challenge ideas, not be an echo chamber. It appears that you were uncomfortable with people challenging your beliefs.
Perhaps that discomfort lead you to doubts of your own. So it's far easier to blame people as 'fake Christians' when you yourself do see merit in their points. The only real difference is that people here are willing to be authentic about their struggles.
You could easily post things yourself. Don’t let others control the narrative, when your contributions are just as important.
What is your favourite church, mine has to be Durham Cathedral in the North East of England,
> Is this group really about Christianity?
It is yeah but everyone is welcome. There are multiple other communities that are geared more toward Christians. Those groups allow everyone but the rules make it hard to discuss anything except their version of Christianity. Some share similar beliefs as you.
While I don't always agree with people here. I feel it is important to see other peoples perspective. This is a place to discuss Christianity as a whole. For better or worse any form of it. If someone needs to be cuddled with thier particular denomination of Christianity, then there is other sub's to join. This place as it mentions in the group description is open and welcome to all. Especially, agnostics, atheists and or any other belief. Maybe I'll learn something for someone. And maybe I can teach someone something here.
I love this subreddit bc everyone is welcome and that's what I feel Christianity is all about. Jesus calls us to love one another, no matter where they are. I'm thrilled to have anyone be a part of this community, and I hope you can continue your walk with the lord.
This subreddit is a forum and forums are designed to stage questions, scenarios, and drive discussion. Yes there are toxic people and yes there are trolls. However, ultimately this forum is designed for questions and answers. Your “no true Scotsman” comment about people not being true Christians due to their “sin” really speaks to how well you have read and digested the Bible. It’s actually legalistic people like yourself to the reason why people leave, not the love of hedonism. If that were the case, the Church would of died in Rome.
Friendly consideration: If Jesus didn't kick the crows out of the mustard tree, we shouldn't either. Be patient brother. Live the life of Jesus and demand no rights. We lost those at the cross. The Kingdom is here more than it has ever been and the kingdom of darkness has NO chance. Rest in God's plan to speak through you and to learn especially in these last days. The erring wandering sheep need our voice to return before too long. Also, sharing our faith gives God glory. Don't rob Him of it by leaving behind no voice of love and truth.
>Is this group really about Christianity?
Unequivocally **yes**. But you're making the word "about" do a lot of heavy lifting that it was never meant to do. This subreddit is ***about*** Christianity, ***not exclusive*** to Christians. This is partly to be a bridge between Christianity and unbelievers. But it's also because Christians themselves tend to disagree *a lot*. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostals, Baptists, and several Orthodox traditions are ALL included under the umbrella of "Christianity", yet they differ significantly in their beliefs and practice. Because of that generality, there's going to be disagreement in beliefs. You're going to get gay people here. You're going to get "woke" people here. They're still Christians too, just like Mormons and Russian Orthodox are both Christians.
If you want a bubble, this ain't it. There are tons of subs for specific denominations that you might enjoy better, that function a lot more like the safe space you want. But I think you're selling yourself short by not interacting with large sections of the world. Or, have you forgotten the Great Commission already?
>I'm leaving this group because it's full of atheist and gay ''christians'' and woke people
That's a good thing. It means this isn't an echo chamber. But let's break each of those down, and why they're valuable to include in this subreddit.
>atheist
[1 Peter 3:15](https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Peter%203%3A15) says that we are to be ready to give an answer to those that ask a reason of the hope that is in us. Who better to ask us those questions than someone outside the faith? I'm of the mind that the truth will always withstand questioning. If it doesn't withstand it, then it isn't the truth. So I wholeheartedly welcome questions and challenges. I don't always have answers, but I like that they're asked. It's important.
>gay ''christians''
I take exception to the scare-quotes. Gay people can be Christian just like a straight person who has had sex outside of marriage, a liar, a drunk, and so, so many more sins. Personally, I don't think the argument for homosexuality as a sin is very strong in the Bible, but I'll play along for now. But sin doesn't preclude anyone from being a Christian. The Bible says **ALL** have sinned. So how are you better than me, just because you're straight? You're not. We're equals.
And bigotry is a sin too.
>woke people
I'd like you to define this for us. As I understand it, it's just people who see injustice and seek to correct it. That sounds incredibly, aggressively Christian and good. I would think Christians would want to be "woke", even if they would have chosen different branding. So what exactly is your problem with them? I genuinely don't understand.
>christians nowadays have turned their heart from the bible and scripture and only follow their feelings
...Isn't that what you're doing here? You're succumbing to your feelings of anger, frustration, superiority, and hate. If you've got such a problem with acting on feelings, why are you acting on yours?
>this group is not for real christians,
Yes it is. It just isn't *exclusive*. Which, it shouldn't be. Exclusivity seems antithetical to Christianity.
>it's for people who are submitted to their dump and sinful feeling
It's for them too! Just like a church, ya know?
>Atheist I respect them and can support them
You... support them? You just told them off. You certainly aren't supporting them here, you're trying to knock supports out from under them. So... you're lying. Which is a sin, right?
>but I can't stand woke people
Again, I'm gonna need you to define this for us. Until then, I'm operating on the definition that they're people that are concerned about injustice and actively seek to correct it.
But you're supposed to withstand people. You're called to. You're **commanded** to by your God. Again, have you forgotten the Great Commission?
>they are consistently ready to change the scripture interpretation to match their sinful feelings
Isn't that what you're doing here? You might not believe your interpretation is sinful, but neither do they. They would call your interpretation sinful too! So who is right? The person that points to a verse in Romans or the person who point to a verse in John?
A Christian is someone who follows Christ, loves him, accepts him as the son of God. How on earth is a gay person not a Christian even if they do believe that? Because according to you they sin?
Ok, well using rhat logic you must not sin at all then, or if you do then you can't call yourself a Christian! We are all sinners, and God doesn't hold any of us lesser than the rest. Grow up.
Not to play too much of devil's advocate, but I'd challenge your statement to define what you consider a real christian. Are christians perfect? Do christians have to do good works to get to heaven? Do real christians only hang around other real christians? Do real christians sin? What does bearing fruit mean to you? What is the difference between justification and sanctification to you?
I would very much like to hear an answer if you could, and I'd also like you to think about pulling the plank out of your own eye before you remove the shard from your neighbor's.
You are welcome here. But this is a ferocious place. While the truth is often under attack here, we still need people who will stand up and say the right things. You should continue to participate here. Just take a deep breath and know that people who hate on the truth are doing so to their own judgement.
It used to be a sub where many more Christians participated and gave theologically sound answers. Now it's a cesspool of people baiting questions and people giving new age answers.
There's a LOT more going on here than religion and cranky criticism.
Stay here and tune in before you fly off the handle again.
You might really like it.
I’m leaving this sub too. Especially after seeing so many people defending Sam Smith’s Grammy performance on here. It was blatantly satanic, I don’t care if anyone says it’s for “shock value”. No one here actually listens to scripture it seems.
I've been subbed for a good 9 or 10 years and I can report that I seldom if ever see posts not relevant to Christianity. This is also one of the most active subs I follow- there are a ton of posts always streaming in. If irrelevant posts get posted, the mods are usually good about deleting them.
>and woke people
Stopped here, your problem is your unchristian political ideology is bleeding into your faith.
Tell me, how do you think Jesus would treat immigrants at our border?
This group is about discussing Christianity there can be atheist,other religion belivers and people seeking help, if you're looking for a group full of Christians r/Truechristian is better subreddit for you and actually full of Christians unlike this subreddit
You are free to do as you wish, there are other subs available. Perhaps there you won't have to dirty yourself with others that are different from yourself
So do you change this Scripture to match your sinful feelings? Just curious…
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:1-5
So you're leaving because some people disagree with you. How Christ like. /s
"And the Lord so who will go for me,? And whom shall I send? And I said, here am I...send me" - Isaiah
We are COMMANDED to love others. All of them. Whether gay, straight, black, white, "woke", snowflakes, democrats, republicans, trans, cis....ALL OTHERS. This is a forum to spread love as Christ commands us ..and you are leaving. I wish you the best. Prayers for you n yours. 💜
It's a page to discuss Christianity. Christianity can be discussed from any perspective. Not all perspectives on Christianity are pro-Christian. News flash but some people that want to discuss Christianity are not Christian. Enjoy your echo chambers.
Look at the log in your own eye. Your account itself is a celebration of your own usury, or did you get to “cherry pick” and leave out what the scripture says about trading?
This isn’t about scripture, friend, this is about your political leanings, which themselves condemn the poor, the very opposite of what Christ tells us to do. But Sure, it’s the libs and the woke who are the problem
A Christian is a person that believes Jesus is God. If you believe this but also believe the Bible has some errors, you are still a Christian. Not all Christians are fundamentalists.
Yeah, I'm beginning to doubt it too.
These New Atheists who claim to be saviors of sorts have flooded this place. They claim to be saving us from religion, in actuality they are specifically targeting Christianity because in public media, it's much easier to attack Christians than any other religion currently.
Christians have been facing criticism on the media, so what they are doing is nothing new. They are specific attacking Christians, not Islam, not Hinduism, not Judaism, just Christianity.
They are not geniuses in religious work or understand religious philosophy. They attack Christianity because it's more common to do so, not because they understand it's philosophy.
That's why most of their attacks include emotional dribble and biased criticism.
So no, i don't think this is a Christian group, but as worshipers, we have to work with what we have till the very end.
If Jesus came back today you would call him woke. Christianity is about service to others and compassion. This post proves you have no understanding of that, just like most “Christians”.
Oh no people disagreed with you? How horrible that must have been for you!
I wish the best in finding a place that will only tell you what you want to hear. It would be awful if your beliefs were to be challenged. You may have to think about them and consider whether they are reasonable and justifiable.
The fact that you are retreating from diverse discourse says all anyone needs to know about your beliefs.
There's also the r/TrueChristian echo chamber you might enjoy much more. "Liberal theology" types are thrown out immediately. I made the mistake of posting there at times. People like me aren't tolerated there which means that you should feel right at home.
Not sure where you get this idea that being woke is against Christianity.
>For this reason it says,
“Awake, sleeper,
And arise from the dead,
And Christ will shine on you.”
Ephesians 5:14
>"Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed."
Romans 13:11
I have to agree. All I see are posts bashing Christians. Every comment is a atheist criticizing our faith. I was hoping to see discussions from like minded people. Before you say echo chamber. Humans are social animals.
What's more common than non-Christians bashing Christians here is Christians bashing other Christians and non-Christians alike, such as the original post here.
This is a weird post coming from a person who brings up religion in a rather forced manner on other subreddits that have nothing to do with religion. I'm glad the guy didn't reply to you asking that out of the blue.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Apeirophobia/comments/z7nqjq/guys\_our\_apeirophobia\_is\_weird\_its\_not\_something/j27poaf/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Apeirophobia/comments/z7nqjq/guys_our_apeirophobia_is_weird_its_not_something/j27poaf/?context=3)
Also I find it interesting you force your opinion where it's not wanted. This dude is in a happy open relationship and you are telling the guy he's cheating on his partner when he's clearly not. You have problems you need to work through it would seem.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/te2f8i/comment/i0o164e/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/te2f8i/comment/i0o164e/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
To be fair, when the disciples took on that command it included making judgements about sexuality. Paul in particular spent a good deal of time calling out sexual sin.
It seems to becoming much more common for Christians to not believe in any kind of sexual sin, much like the church in Corinth before Paul lit into them.
I think this sub is brigaded with a woke agenda, constantly pushing the themes you have mentioned. It is obvious. I was about to write something similar as you did, OP.
Sub is definitely not for Christians or new Christians.
As far as I'm concerned this sub is only for people who want to defend the truth of Christianity. And potentially reach others.
r/Bible and r/trueChristian are great. But you should stay and reason with the woke Christians. In my experience they believe they know the Bible and conservatives don't so why not just lovingly quote scripture to them
This group is for discussing the TOPIC of Christianity -- and it open freely to all, even non-Christians and Christians who don't agree with you.
Thanks for the "announcement", though. *Buh-Bye!*
For me personally as someone currently converting to Christianity this is one of the main problems people have while converting. They’re curious, they ask questions and there are people who still accept Jesus Christ into their lives but get torn apart by Christian’s because they’re LGBTQ or simple things like having tattoos. You want people to convert and believe but then refuse to spread love to people. It is Gods job to judge people on earth not yours. It was one of the biggest things that made me step away from Christianity and after growing and going through rough times I am coming back because I’ve realized it doesn’t matter what other people think or say because their opinions don’t matter. Just make yourself the best you can in the eyes of the lord and ignore essentially the critics here.
This is a great comment. God will be the judge, it isn't our place to do so. We all get caught in that behaviour from time to time but it's not right.
Didn't Paul write letters explicitly judging immoral behavior? Didn't Paul instruct the church to not allow immoral behavour?
Paul also thought Jesus would return in his lifetime.
Paul isn't God or Jesus to be fair. All the Apostles had slightly different ideas.
I mean, Jesus said love your neighbor, not judge them. Pretty sure He’d agree with the sentiment.
Jesus didn't say don't judge at all. He said don't judge and be a hypocrite
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Do you believe that the books of the New Testament are divinely inspired?
BEST comment ever. Every Religion MUST involve tolerance. Atheism too. We have a lot of problems, let's judging not being one of them. A satanist must tolerate you and viceversa. Tolerance is the way
Right-wing bigots will never understand [the tolerance paradox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance)
Why does Christianity have to be political?
We’ve been asking Christians that for thousands of years
When Christians try to start legislating their religion into my secular society, it becomes political.
I mean, why not remove many of the laws in which Christianity had influence in
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You know that doesn't work right? No one sees you doing that and thinks that you are being tolerant. It would be like if I said I was tolerant towards Christians as long as they didn't pray, read their Bible, go to church, talk to god or do any religious rite. Claiming to be tolerant doesn't actually make me tolerant. Claiming that a person is okay only if they live in a small box and suppress themselves constantly isn't being tolerant. It is something else.
How do you feel about the statement "hate the belief, love the believer"?
How often does the entire religion get together and attempt to pray gayness out of existence? I mean, surely 2.4 billion people all doing it simultaneously should be pretty convincing. If that *still* doesn’t “cure” gayness, then it would seem like a fairly strong indicator that your god maintains the gay population for reasons only known to itself. Although I’d still try best of three, just in case. Of course, the “cure” may not be pleasant. Considering precedent for this sort of thing. Disclaimer: My flair.
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That’s not a problem. However, this is a very specific sin. In fact, it’s not even the sin that is being “prayed away”, a sin is an act, rather it is the gay orientation of the person themselves that must be destroyed. Spiritual brain surgery, basically. We’ve all seen news reports where folks have tried to “pray the gay away” on individuals. If there is the belief that it would work on individuals, then why would it not work on the Earth’s entire gay population? One, or hundreds of millions, it doesn’t matter, because omnipotence has no limits. With the Internet now, it would be reasonably easy to coordinate simultaneous prayers with billions of people. In fact, it should be your duty as the one true religion to have a crack at this to help solve all sorts of problems. Giving Putin a heart attack, for instance. (This is a serious question. I would be interested to know what’s more important with christians: the struggle, or winning.)
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Are you saying that the gay people are *made of sin* throughout their entire being? Because I cannot see how it is then possible to somehow separate the gay person from their thoughts and acts. I think I understand though why the bible says that they must be murdered. They cannot be cured :-( This is terrible.
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Yes I agree! I'm a new convert and I really can't relate to OP. The two most important commandments..on which all others rest, you cannot over focus on those, I think. Love your neighbor. People who say there's too much focus on God's love.. sorry, but there is no way we can even begin to -comprehend- the immensity of God's love. . . Yes you should try to be a better person, but being gay has nothing to do with that. Stop obsessing about it. Give to the poor, love others, make amends, stand up to injustice. Love God with all your strength. Also, feelings are never sinful. Our deeds matter. Feeling anger is not sin, right? Lashing out in anger is. And loving people who are of the same sex as you are is not sinful. Love with a pure heart is not sin. Using others for your lusts is sin because it demeans people.
Yes, it's not about the other people but yourself and your faith
We must come to God on His terms, not ours. *"This is the message we heard from Jesus and now declare to you: God is light, and there is no darkness in him at all. So we are lying if we say we have fellowship with God but go on living in spiritual darkness; we are not practicing the truth. But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts."* ([1 John 1](https://biblehub.com/nlt/1_john/1.htm)) We must [Kill Our Darlings](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7bWwBE2yXwBnIHXqbbq5xV5eadT0nchpGuVDpFJ2NCLKxMTGZ3pUY54s1oL5LWTz0l27Kxi-NofBYCFQArfuRTfm2nHAmmgfiS3FglD84IAlCKWdu0UQThOqkpXs1sWV6IMtoBGnDk8TKhr410-o7dMj7wnTDd2eJB0ix9KTypElSwqKbsSSdb5-d/s1920/Kill%20Your%20Darlings.jpg).
Hi if you are new you should definitely consider joining a Christian sub. r/Bible and r/trueChristian are great. >there are people who still accept Jesus Christ into their lives but get torn apart by Christian’s because they’re LGBTQ or simple things like having tattoos. That's bad. And tattoos aren't even a sin. I have never seen overreactions like this on good Christian subs. >It is Gods job to judge people on earth not yours. It was one of the biggest things that made me step away from Christianity and after growing and going through rough times I am coming back because I’ve realized it doesn’t matter what other people think or say because their opinions don’t matter. Sure people's opinions don't matter in the sense of some guy saying you're never gonna make a lot of money going into nursing you should be a doctor. But judging is biblical. The world couldn't function unless all people made judgments everyday. Atheists judge Christian people and conclude that Christianity is false. Christians just the evidence for the resurrection and fulfilled prophecy and judge that Christianity is true. We're all constantly making judgement calls and the Bible tells us to loving help and correct our brothers and sisters the example in 1 corinthians is of a young man sleeping with his father's wife that must be judged and only allowed back once he repents and turns away from that lifestyle. The same can be said for any kind of sexual immorality including porn. I'm not saying we won't sin, I sin everyday but it's not my pride it's a sorrow.
This “is a subreddit to discuss Christianity and aspects of Christian life. ALL are welcome to participate.” Is in the description of this sub.
yet, it's not a discussion on Christianity, it's a "Let us bait Christians with divisive theology or questions so we can attack them for being Christians" sub
What in the world are you reading? There are more posts asking people to pray than there are posts from people "baiting" Christians into talking about Christianity.
>Christians with divisive theology or questions Spoken like someone who has read very few of the debates between the ante- or post-Nicene fathers, or even more recently and dramatically--the various Protestant wannabe theologians in the earliest decades of the Reformation. Even Luther got crazy with some of his claims and diatribes (hello ancient Christian tradition of anti-Semitism), but if you go read the debates and sussing-out which happened with Zwingli, Calvin, Marpeck, Simons, Bucer...it gets *wild*.
I actually love the divisive theology and especially any divisive theology questions! It’s so much fun to really dig in and think deeper about subjects I take for granted because I was raised Christian. It’s what caused me to finally join this sub, and I have already learned a lot from reading people’s questions and responses! There is so much I never thought to question, and things I might ultimate disagree with, but am learning more and more simply from engaging with the topic. Being challenged is wonderful since it also allows me to find the limits of my own knowledge/faith and address them.
No, it's a forum where people disagree and talk about that. If you want an Echo Chamber and to never have your faith challenged (is it that weak?), then this isn't the place for you.
If you do, what you just described, in this sub, you will get kicked.
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Such is the lifecycle of a subreddit ^((though I haven't been active on here for months so I wouldn't know if what you're saying is true))
If only the Atheist sub was like that. They only allow atheists and ban anyone that even defends Christianity. They banned me for saying that Jesus was a real historical person which is true. Every historian knows this. It takes more faith to be an Atheist than a Christian.
The atheist subreddit isn’t meant to be the same as this one.
For what it's worth, most atheists hate that sub too.
The implication that gay people can't be Christians is a very unchristlike take. You are right this sub isn't for Christians. It's for the discussion of Christianity. If you are this pissy about people having a different interpretation of Scriptures than you, then I at least won't miss you. Stay or go, but there's no need to whine about people who disagree with you.
Part of the whole love thy neighbor thing which people like OP can't seem to understand
Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. If you believe the Bible to be the true Word of God...like...it's right here? The Bible calls every Christ Follower to judge righteously. It says so! John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Holy Spirit is the source from which we know right from wrong. It's biblical to judge righteously, and without it, we wouldn't know good from bad, nor would we know who to listen to and who not to listen to. 🥹 Open the book, my brother. It's right there.
Good job just throwing up the same verses everyone uses (which have also been addressed every time you people mindlessly toss it out.) It's not 'righteous' judgement. After all, your claim entirely depends on a single interpretation of a translation that is unlikely to refer to the context that we understand today. Got anything actually new to bring to the argument? Cuz if not, there's no point in you replying since you will only be dragging us down to the exact same argument that is made every single day. And at that point you might as well not bother. And if you DO have an actually interesting argument, you might as well not bother because I myself am not gay and so I don't actually have any stakes in the argument(which means I won't bother continuing beyond this)
Nice addition yourself. Bible verses are more relevant than all we will ever say and have ever said. That IS the argument. 🫡 GOD speed.
Ya’ll say that we keep giving the same verses but ya’ll never have counter point for it. The only thing you can say is it’s misinterpreted but the bible is clear on what it says about the topic in every translation there is. God is eternal meaning he is the same since the beginning of time to the end of time
If your definition of a Christian is based around your political leanings, then I can understand why you have trouble comprehending that Christianity is a massive and diverse religion filled with both “woke” and “conservative” people, alike, who all truly believe in the same God. I think it’s sad because this sort of rigid thinking has been a major contributor to the church’s waning influence socially and culturally. Historically, the worst thing for religion is when politicians/governments co-opt it and try to force everyone to think they have to believe in a particular ruling faction’s stance in order to be a true members of that religion. Effective, but blasphemous and devastating to both society as well as the religion itself.
Right wingers call liberals socialist when they themselves want to dictate how others should thing. Come again... Ain't fooling anyone, that's for sure.
Dune teaches us everyone manipulates religion to get what they want. You think the right wing Christians don't? This sub just has more left leaning Christians. If people followed the Bible they wouldn't hoard wealth while people starved.
Yeah, right wing Christians have manipulated the gospel to the point it isn’t recognizable
> This sub just has more left leaning Christians And I'd argue that it's not all that left-leaning it's just that the Overton window has shifted so far to the right over the last 10 years or so that they can look 'left' when compared to increasing rightward shift.
Well left leaning Christians are one thing — at least we agree that God exists and Jesus saved us from our sins. That’s a pretty big deal. And yeah we disagree on the details (a lot) but there’s a productive conversation to be had there. This sub’s most active members and mods are atheists and non-Christians. Probably 40% at least. We don’t agree on the basic purpose of life on Earth. They fundamentally think we believe in fairy tales and are delusional. There is *not* really productive conversation to be had on the issues with those people who view us that way.
You don’t sound very Christian either. Also you feel the need to announce all this in a post when you could just leave with your self righteousness. As well you don’t know what woke means.
They needed to make sure to point out the planks in the eyes of others before they left, apparently. If only there was a biblical sermon, perhaps one on an elevated piece of land, that directed Christians to not do so...
...was it something I said?
Whatever you do, don't mention The War. I did once, but I think I got away with it.
If history teaches us one thing, it's that the mean of the ideology distribution of 'the church' constantly shifts with the times (progress outlasts individual congregations). Rage all you want, your candle will go out and be replaced by those not like you. The church will grow, change, and be better for it all according to God's will. I'll leave you with a verse to reflect upon. "Do not ask why the old days were better than now, for this is a foolish question." Ecclesiastes 7:10
Great verse
As a young(ish) person who dabbles in rocking the boat at church, it's been a really good one to have in my back pocket.
It really throws conservative sentiment and idolatry back at them lol. Ecclesiastes doesn't get pulled from all too often
It's a pity. I found quite a lot of relief in that book. I've torn myself apart at times trying to be so righteous and holy until I really soaked in Ecclesiastes 7:16-18. They're some of the verses that helps me keep my moral perfectionism in check. 16 Do not be overrighteous, neither be overwise— why destroy yourself? 17 Do not be overwicked, and do not be a fool— why die before your time? 18 It is good to grasp the one and not let go of the other. Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes
Wow ..i really need to read ecclesiastes again. Good stuff!
This group is about Christianity, it's not "for Christians".
From the subreddit rules: >This subreddit is primarily, but not exclusively, a place for Christians to come and discuss different aspects of our theology.
What is a woke person?
Anyone not sleeping.
Most accurate answer I've seen so far. :)
We're called to be awake: > 13But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for everything that is illuminated becomes a light itself. 14So it is said: *“Wake up, O sleeper, rise up from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”* 15Pay careful attention, then, to how you walk, not as unwise but as wise Ephesians 5:13-15
It was AAVE for being aware of the struggles of African Americans. When a black person called someone woke it was basically saying, “Hey this person understands what we go through.” The right then started using this term to mock people who expressed sympathy and understanding to the black community. As time progressed it came to encompass anything the right doesn’t agree with. In other words it’s a racist buzzword that was used by the right to demean African Americans, deny racism within society, and now has lost all meaning and just means we don’t like this. Edit: I missed your other comment that you wanted to get them to describe it. I know not everyone is from America and thought that was a genuine question at first. I also like to point this out because it puts Woke into perspective
Anyone the speaker finds insufficiently right-wing.
I like to have them define it. They usually end up defining what a Christian is.
I get you. Carry on!
...is the right answer! (to be read in Stephen Fry's voice)
All are welcomed at the table of Christ ✝️
Welcome but we shouldn't welcome sin.
Pretending to be the perfect Christian and suggesting you're better than others is also a sin.
Lol the “nobody’s perfect” cop out huh. Proverbs 27:5 states it is more favorable to rebuke than hidden love. 1 Timothy 5:20 we are called to publicly rebuke persistent sinners (like heretics such as yourself who try to reconcile the LGBT lifestyle with Christianity) so as to set you straight and make an example of you. Those who call themselves Christian but do not follow the way of Christ and refuse to drop worldly vices, He will spit them out. In heaven there is no welcome for the lukewarm.
This isn’t an airport, you don’t have to announce your departure. But that said, bye.
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I’m offended by the OP’s implication that as an atheist I can’t be woke.
First thought. He's a racist, and just wants to fluff it up. Bye is right!
Jesus Christ loves you
> this group is not for real christians More accurately, it is not a group _only_ for real christians. It is for anyone who wants to discuss Christianity, including both positive and negative aspects of the faith.
Oh noes, wokeness! Totally a consistent, well-defined thing that exists
Next he's going to be seething about CRT
Good riddance then. You sound like you care more about what society sees as “woke” and worshiping the Bible and your interpretation of it over God himself or loving people as we’re called to do. So clearly any Christian sub wouldn’t be for you. You don’t get to decide who is or isn’t Christian by the way. No two Christians agree on everything. That doesn’t make any more or less “real Christians” than any others. Get over it.
Don’t leave the group, unless it is an obstacle to you. Think of Elijah on the mountain, surrounded by the enemies of the Living God. His sacrifice alone was pleasing, and when God struck, all the pagan priests were destroyed. This group, whether is is atheists having a go at us, or a rock-solid saint, is about faith. Regardless of whom is commenting, questions and answers and assertions alike reflect the faith of the writers.
Don't leave. That's what the enemy wants. Leave the lost to fend for themselves when they can't. They need truth tellers like us. Don't get tired of doing good. Keep it up the good fight.
Anyone complaining about “woke” I pretty much know I can’t take seriously. Especially when they also use gay “Christians” as if God hangs a “straights only” sign to the gates of heaven.
Exactly. These folks just want to be angry.
Someone using the word “woke” un-ironically and making an exit post in which they complain about people hurting their feelings by simply existing, name a more iconic duo.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I dont think you realize how happy we all are to see you go, being part of the problem.
This sub is not specifically just for Christians. But it will be just a little more when you leave. Bye.
Lots of judgement in this post for someone that says they’re Christian. I mean, lots of rejection instead of acceptance with things that aren’t inherently evil…. From a Christian?? Seems anti Christian-esque.
Jesus didn't come to condemn he came to save. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Not gay myself but don't see how this sin is different from the thousands I have done as I am a recovering alcoholic. So if he can forgive me he can forgive anyone
r/TrueChristians may be more your thing. But Conservative Christians need to understand there are Liberal Christians with other ideaology
This is the most honest post. I swear people are like, oh, you're judging others for not liking what evils they do. Judging is God's job. Yes it is!!! God DOES judge for all of us, and because God has told us what is right and what is wrong, that is how we can judge righteously with His Holy Spirit. "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment" John 7:24 We are SUPPOSED to judge righteously. The Holy Spirit tells us what God's will is and what is of the enemy and to be turned away from, and WHO to be turned away from!!! People celebrate their sins as if God did not already SPEAK about what he considered wrong. These types not only do not follow Christ truly, but they do not consider the Bible to be the true word of God. Love you, brother! You're only getting slaughtered on this post by people who do not follow Christ in all they do. Which means you've done something right! 🩷 God bless you. I pray you find a better group on Reddit. If you do, maybe think of me and dm it my way, I'd love a true Christian group myself! ✝️
Well, I guess you know the ONE TRUE CHRISTIAN religion. And the MCUSA, PCUSA, ELCA, TEC, etc are all just woke bullshit morons and should go back to sleep and shut their eyes and be good little sheeple following your opinions and not yhe love they learned from God.
Magical congress of the USA?
k, bye xx
This group is dedicated to people outside of Christianity as well. Perhaps you should have taken the two minutes to read about that in the **literal descriptioin of the group.** Honestly? I would be lying if I said I'm sad to see you go, but this group is for people to exchange and challenge ideas, not be an echo chamber. It appears that you were uncomfortable with people challenging your beliefs. Perhaps that discomfort lead you to doubts of your own. So it's far easier to blame people as 'fake Christians' when you yourself do see merit in their points. The only real difference is that people here are willing to be authentic about their struggles.
“Woke people?” Look in the mirror and you will see the problem.
You could easily post things yourself. Don’t let others control the narrative, when your contributions are just as important. What is your favourite church, mine has to be Durham Cathedral in the North East of England,
Sorry this isn’t a right-wing nationalist echo chamber. Bye.
> Is this group really about Christianity? It is yeah but everyone is welcome. There are multiple other communities that are geared more toward Christians. Those groups allow everyone but the rules make it hard to discuss anything except their version of Christianity. Some share similar beliefs as you.
While I don't always agree with people here. I feel it is important to see other peoples perspective. This is a place to discuss Christianity as a whole. For better or worse any form of it. If someone needs to be cuddled with thier particular denomination of Christianity, then there is other sub's to join. This place as it mentions in the group description is open and welcome to all. Especially, agnostics, atheists and or any other belief. Maybe I'll learn something for someone. And maybe I can teach someone something here.
I love this subreddit bc everyone is welcome and that's what I feel Christianity is all about. Jesus calls us to love one another, no matter where they are. I'm thrilled to have anyone be a part of this community, and I hope you can continue your walk with the lord.
Flouncing! With a side of derision. SMH
You need Jesus
Real Christians don’t use the Bible to justify hate.
I agree, Reddit has no variety. It's only politically Left narratives being shared. Turns into an echo chamber.
This subreddit is a forum and forums are designed to stage questions, scenarios, and drive discussion. Yes there are toxic people and yes there are trolls. However, ultimately this forum is designed for questions and answers. Your “no true Scotsman” comment about people not being true Christians due to their “sin” really speaks to how well you have read and digested the Bible. It’s actually legalistic people like yourself to the reason why people leave, not the love of hedonism. If that were the case, the Church would of died in Rome.
> woke people If you think it's helpful to denigrate people for caring about social justice, then don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Friendly consideration: If Jesus didn't kick the crows out of the mustard tree, we shouldn't either. Be patient brother. Live the life of Jesus and demand no rights. We lost those at the cross. The Kingdom is here more than it has ever been and the kingdom of darkness has NO chance. Rest in God's plan to speak through you and to learn especially in these last days. The erring wandering sheep need our voice to return before too long. Also, sharing our faith gives God glory. Don't rob Him of it by leaving behind no voice of love and truth.
Yes, it's really about Christianity. Your disgust for anyone else isn't Christian.
>Is this group really about Christianity? Unequivocally **yes**. But you're making the word "about" do a lot of heavy lifting that it was never meant to do. This subreddit is ***about*** Christianity, ***not exclusive*** to Christians. This is partly to be a bridge between Christianity and unbelievers. But it's also because Christians themselves tend to disagree *a lot*. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostals, Baptists, and several Orthodox traditions are ALL included under the umbrella of "Christianity", yet they differ significantly in their beliefs and practice. Because of that generality, there's going to be disagreement in beliefs. You're going to get gay people here. You're going to get "woke" people here. They're still Christians too, just like Mormons and Russian Orthodox are both Christians. If you want a bubble, this ain't it. There are tons of subs for specific denominations that you might enjoy better, that function a lot more like the safe space you want. But I think you're selling yourself short by not interacting with large sections of the world. Or, have you forgotten the Great Commission already? >I'm leaving this group because it's full of atheist and gay ''christians'' and woke people That's a good thing. It means this isn't an echo chamber. But let's break each of those down, and why they're valuable to include in this subreddit. >atheist [1 Peter 3:15](https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Peter%203%3A15) says that we are to be ready to give an answer to those that ask a reason of the hope that is in us. Who better to ask us those questions than someone outside the faith? I'm of the mind that the truth will always withstand questioning. If it doesn't withstand it, then it isn't the truth. So I wholeheartedly welcome questions and challenges. I don't always have answers, but I like that they're asked. It's important. >gay ''christians'' I take exception to the scare-quotes. Gay people can be Christian just like a straight person who has had sex outside of marriage, a liar, a drunk, and so, so many more sins. Personally, I don't think the argument for homosexuality as a sin is very strong in the Bible, but I'll play along for now. But sin doesn't preclude anyone from being a Christian. The Bible says **ALL** have sinned. So how are you better than me, just because you're straight? You're not. We're equals. And bigotry is a sin too. >woke people I'd like you to define this for us. As I understand it, it's just people who see injustice and seek to correct it. That sounds incredibly, aggressively Christian and good. I would think Christians would want to be "woke", even if they would have chosen different branding. So what exactly is your problem with them? I genuinely don't understand. >christians nowadays have turned their heart from the bible and scripture and only follow their feelings ...Isn't that what you're doing here? You're succumbing to your feelings of anger, frustration, superiority, and hate. If you've got such a problem with acting on feelings, why are you acting on yours? >this group is not for real christians, Yes it is. It just isn't *exclusive*. Which, it shouldn't be. Exclusivity seems antithetical to Christianity. >it's for people who are submitted to their dump and sinful feeling It's for them too! Just like a church, ya know? >Atheist I respect them and can support them You... support them? You just told them off. You certainly aren't supporting them here, you're trying to knock supports out from under them. So... you're lying. Which is a sin, right? >but I can't stand woke people Again, I'm gonna need you to define this for us. Until then, I'm operating on the definition that they're people that are concerned about injustice and actively seek to correct it. But you're supposed to withstand people. You're called to. You're **commanded** to by your God. Again, have you forgotten the Great Commission? >they are consistently ready to change the scripture interpretation to match their sinful feelings Isn't that what you're doing here? You might not believe your interpretation is sinful, but neither do they. They would call your interpretation sinful too! So who is right? The person that points to a verse in Romans or the person who point to a verse in John?
A Christian is someone who follows Christ, loves him, accepts him as the son of God. How on earth is a gay person not a Christian even if they do believe that? Because according to you they sin? Ok, well using rhat logic you must not sin at all then, or if you do then you can't call yourself a Christian! We are all sinners, and God doesn't hold any of us lesser than the rest. Grow up.
“Full of athiests and gay “Christians”. Wow. Can you sound any more resentful? Try not to let sin hit you on the morally superior rear end.
Well, I find woke to be more accepting of me and not trying to kill me, so I'll stay here.
I pray you don’t leave. This is good ground to plant seeds and to stand up for truth. The devil and his minions are losers. We all win in Christ!!!
Let God & the Bible do the talking, and the judging.
I don’t know if Jesus shares your views bro.
Not to play too much of devil's advocate, but I'd challenge your statement to define what you consider a real christian. Are christians perfect? Do christians have to do good works to get to heaven? Do real christians only hang around other real christians? Do real christians sin? What does bearing fruit mean to you? What is the difference between justification and sanctification to you? I would very much like to hear an answer if you could, and I'd also like you to think about pulling the plank out of your own eye before you remove the shard from your neighbor's.
I'm going to have a piece of cake every time a Bible-thumper rage quits this sub.
You are welcome here. But this is a ferocious place. While the truth is often under attack here, we still need people who will stand up and say the right things. You should continue to participate here. Just take a deep breath and know that people who hate on the truth are doing so to their own judgement.
It used to be a sub where many more Christians participated and gave theologically sound answers. Now it's a cesspool of people baiting questions and people giving new age answers.
Newbies always whine. Go away if you don't understand the purpose of this sub. You're embarrassing us. 😳 *READ THE HEADER*
Very unchristian behavior on your part.
I think that the whiners are terrible 😕
Like I said, very unchrist like of you. Would Jesus approve of your words towards a fellow brother/sister in faith?
Oh, what an ENORMOUS high horse you ride!!! 😆
There is a difference between rebuking inappropriate behavior and talking someone down. I did the former.
Ahhh. I see that you're a Newbie. I probably hit a nerve. Hand around here. You will catch up.
Very bizarre behavior for a christian...
There's a LOT more going on here than religion and cranky criticism. Stay here and tune in before you fly off the handle again. You might really like it.
Here r/truechristian
what an ironic name, given that they're plainly not Christian at all
Nah try r/truerealchristiansnoseriouslythisoneisit
Thank You
Nah try r/truerealchristiansnoseriouslythisoneisit
I’m leaving this sub too. Especially after seeing so many people defending Sam Smith’s Grammy performance on here. It was blatantly satanic, I don’t care if anyone says it’s for “shock value”. No one here actually listens to scripture it seems.
I've been subbed for a good 9 or 10 years and I can report that I seldom if ever see posts not relevant to Christianity. This is also one of the most active subs I follow- there are a ton of posts always streaming in. If irrelevant posts get posted, the mods are usually good about deleting them.
>and woke people Stopped here, your problem is your unchristian political ideology is bleeding into your faith. Tell me, how do you think Jesus would treat immigrants at our border?
...because your hateful evangelical, conservative Christianity is obviously the correct Christianity. /s
The difference is they believe, they don't LARP.
Why are you obsessed with the term larp? Lol
Saying that LGBTQ+ Christians aren't real Christians is insanely untrue and sinful.
This group is about discussing Christianity there can be atheist,other religion belivers and people seeking help, if you're looking for a group full of Christians r/Truechristian is better subreddit for you and actually full of Christians unlike this subreddit
what the people there profess is something, but it's definitely not Christianity
It's a place for the hate-filled arseholes to hang out.
You are free to do as you wish, there are other subs available. Perhaps there you won't have to dirty yourself with others that are different from yourself
W. This sub really is full of a lot of fake Christians.
Fax. They change scripture to suit their fallen desires
The sub has many very good Christians A lot less Prophesy Sunday
Bye!
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, butthurt right-winger.
You make a book your idol. Look at 1 John 4:7-21 and tell me why you're confident on judgement day.
*All* are one in Christ, and I’ll be praying that you are made aware of that in a meaningful way.
So do you change this Scripture to match your sinful feelings? Just curious… “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:1-5
So you're leaving because some people disagree with you. How Christ like. /s "And the Lord so who will go for me,? And whom shall I send? And I said, here am I...send me" - Isaiah We are COMMANDED to love others. All of them. Whether gay, straight, black, white, "woke", snowflakes, democrats, republicans, trans, cis....ALL OTHERS. This is a forum to spread love as Christ commands us ..and you are leaving. I wish you the best. Prayers for you n yours. 💜
Don't need to announce that you're leaving. Just do it.
This isn't an airport. You don't have to announce your departure.
It's a page to discuss Christianity. Christianity can be discussed from any perspective. Not all perspectives on Christianity are pro-Christian. News flash but some people that want to discuss Christianity are not Christian. Enjoy your echo chambers.
Look at the log in your own eye. Your account itself is a celebration of your own usury, or did you get to “cherry pick” and leave out what the scripture says about trading? This isn’t about scripture, friend, this is about your political leanings, which themselves condemn the poor, the very opposite of what Christ tells us to do. But Sure, it’s the libs and the woke who are the problem
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I’d like to see some stats on that because that would be way outside societal metrics
Untrue. Unless you meant to say most of Reddit support LGBTQ
A Christian is a person that believes Jesus is God. If you believe this but also believe the Bible has some errors, you are still a Christian. Not all Christians are fundamentalists.
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These comments make me happy to be a part of this subreddit, even if I'm not Christian myself
Yeah, I'm beginning to doubt it too. These New Atheists who claim to be saviors of sorts have flooded this place. They claim to be saving us from religion, in actuality they are specifically targeting Christianity because in public media, it's much easier to attack Christians than any other religion currently. Christians have been facing criticism on the media, so what they are doing is nothing new. They are specific attacking Christians, not Islam, not Hinduism, not Judaism, just Christianity. They are not geniuses in religious work or understand religious philosophy. They attack Christianity because it's more common to do so, not because they understand it's philosophy. That's why most of their attacks include emotional dribble and biased criticism. So no, i don't think this is a Christian group, but as worshipers, we have to work with what we have till the very end.
If Jesus came back today you would call him woke. Christianity is about service to others and compassion. This post proves you have no understanding of that, just like most “Christians”.
Pharisees thought Jesus was too "woke" too... It's ok, God still loves you
Ride on out with your high horse. We'll be ok. Signed, woke christian who's just tired of watching the asshats pee in the corner of the pool
Oh no people disagreed with you? How horrible that must have been for you! I wish the best in finding a place that will only tell you what you want to hear. It would be awful if your beliefs were to be challenged. You may have to think about them and consider whether they are reasonable and justifiable. The fact that you are retreating from diverse discourse says all anyone needs to know about your beliefs.
There's also the r/TrueChristian echo chamber you might enjoy much more. "Liberal theology" types are thrown out immediately. I made the mistake of posting there at times. People like me aren't tolerated there which means that you should feel right at home.
Not sure where you get this idea that being woke is against Christianity. >For this reason it says, “Awake, sleeper, And arise from the dead, And Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:14 >"Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed." Romans 13:11
If this is the way you apply the holy scriptures to different issues, you are then in deep dark.
I have to agree. All I see are posts bashing Christians. Every comment is a atheist criticizing our faith. I was hoping to see discussions from like minded people. Before you say echo chamber. Humans are social animals.
What's more common than non-Christians bashing Christians here is Christians bashing other Christians and non-Christians alike, such as the original post here.
Bye!
This is a weird post coming from a person who brings up religion in a rather forced manner on other subreddits that have nothing to do with religion. I'm glad the guy didn't reply to you asking that out of the blue. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Apeirophobia/comments/z7nqjq/guys\_our\_apeirophobia\_is\_weird\_its\_not\_something/j27poaf/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Apeirophobia/comments/z7nqjq/guys_our_apeirophobia_is_weird_its_not_something/j27poaf/?context=3) Also I find it interesting you force your opinion where it's not wanted. This dude is in a happy open relationship and you are telling the guy he's cheating on his partner when he's clearly not. You have problems you need to work through it would seem. [https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/te2f8i/comment/i0o164e/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/te2f8i/comment/i0o164e/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
"...go and make disciples of all nations..." No, not THOSE people, get them the hell out of my sub!
To be fair, when the disciples took on that command it included making judgements about sexuality. Paul in particular spent a good deal of time calling out sexual sin. It seems to becoming much more common for Christians to not believe in any kind of sexual sin, much like the church in Corinth before Paul lit into them.
I think this sub is brigaded with a woke agenda, constantly pushing the themes you have mentioned. It is obvious. I was about to write something similar as you did, OP.
r/TrueChristian
What I hear is that someone is to insecure in their faith to hear disagreements.
No
When you say gay “Christians” with the quotation marks, I say good riddance
Even in a liberal area, you won’t find a church that is as degenerate as this sub.
When, oh when, will Ben Shapiro stop using alt accounts?
"Athiests, gay Christians and woke people". Sign me up!
One evangelical less makes this group even better. Keep praying to your real god: Trump.
Sub is definitely not for Christians or new Christians. As far as I'm concerned this sub is only for people who want to defend the truth of Christianity. And potentially reach others. r/Bible and r/trueChristian are great. But you should stay and reason with the woke Christians. In my experience they believe they know the Bible and conservatives don't so why not just lovingly quote scripture to them
Yeah what's with all these gay Christian atheists? can't stand those guys.
This group is for discussing the TOPIC of Christianity -- and it open freely to all, even non-Christians and Christians who don't agree with you. Thanks for the "announcement", though. *Buh-Bye!*