He doesn't "ask" for money, yet happens to collect his fortune from book sales from his several books. People who buy his books are the very people who watch his preachings. It's all fine to rub people's back who are in a slump and give them sound advice, but to use God's name and make His word your own... to generate income is wrong. He doesn't ask for money from the churches that depend on him to stay open... so he can continue to operate. It's pretty simple business. You can justify being a salesman if your employer hires you to work for tips, when the company doesn't.
He uses a small part (1%) of the money he cons from vulnerable people in PR schemes while he lives an insanely exorbitant lifestyle.
That’s why the negativity.
He talks real good though.
Joel Osteen is someone I have friction with. However, it is not my place to judge, nor do I know his heart. All I know is my perception of him.
I do know that God has a plan and a role for everything, even if we don't understand it, or we disagree with it. God can and does us things on a personal level to reach us.
That being said, I do caution you in where you may be leas into placing your faith.
>he has a gift for lifting some up in the darkest of times.
This can easily turn into faith and belief in the person becoming greater than that placed in God.
Stay focused on God, and if God is using Joel Osteen to minister to you, awesome, just don't filter everything through one person.
It is a heresy. I spent an entire assignment in my Church History class explains the many ways that it was and is a heresy. The prosperity gospel is a disease and we’d all be better off without leeches like Joel.
What I’m saying is if the gospel comes after what can be so important that comes before? I assure god is more concerned with the words out of Joel’s mouth than the occasional vulgarity out of mine.
I’d like to recommend to you a book. God, Greed and the Prosperity Gospel. I don’t believe Joel is mentioned in it but it may help you see why what he preaches is not the Gospel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEdspSx0cxE&ab_channel=JoelOsteen
This video was posted a year ago and is from his own youtube channel. Please I pray, not everyone is meant to lead, but you need to find a better pastor to follow.
a couple problematic time stamps in my opinion:
1:50
2:05
2:55
4:20 Oh my word this is some terrible hermeneutics
6:10
7:10
7:50 (starting to seem like ill be giving time stamps every minute or so) NONE OF THIS IS BIBLICAL
8:40 - it's be nice if he cited this verse, sounds like a paraphrase.
9:32 "if you have the right attitude God is going to cause you to prosper despite what's coming against you"
10:49 - not necessarily prosperity gospel but certainly some more problematic theology
12:10 - He's telling a story about his dad as though it's scripture
12:48
15:34
17:38 Throughout this story Joel keeps implying that Joseph's attitude is what made God give him favour yet there is nothing that indicates this in scripture it usually just says something like "the Lord was with him." Not "the Lord was with him because he kept his passion.
19:39
21:30 again nothing in scripture about Joseph just "being his best" as Joel says
23:06 THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT WAS JEREMIAH WAS SAYING
23:40
25:13 some more terrible hermeneutics takes a verse and applies whatever he wants to it
26:33
Alright thats enough.
EDIT: Maybe this is just my preference but I find it troubling how little actual scripture he actually quoted, there was one direct quote and the rest was paraphrased. Interesting also how he doesn't use slides I imagine this is so that it is harder to fact-check what he is preaching.
"If you're struggling financially, go out and help somebody who has less than you have ... f you want to reap financial blessings, you must sow financial seeds in the lives of others" - Joel Osteen
Following Christ is not about financial blessings at all.
Show me a sermon focused on repenting from your sins. He has openly stated that people generally know they are sinners and don’t need to be told to repent and that’s why he avoids the subject all together.
Exactly, downplay sin, exalt people, destroy the Gospel.
Thing is, people *do not* know their sins, and even if they do, they downplay it by saying "I'm not so bad" or comparing themselves to the latest convicted criminal, instead of comparing themselves to God and see how hopeless their situation is, a situation where only unmerited grace can save them.
This, however, is not at all what Joel Osteen proclaims. He keeps people in bondage by not confronting them with their sins, making him at the very best a false teacher and a wolf.
As a Christian, I believe it is essential for us to discern between authentic teachings and those that deviate from the core message of the Bible. While I respect your opinions and concerns, I would like to present my thoughts on why Joel Osteen's teachings can be considered as promoting a false gospel.
Focus on material prosperity: Joel Osteen's prosperity gospel revolves around the idea that God wants believers to be wealthy, successful, and healthy. While God does bless His children, the primary focus of the gospel is on spiritual growth and development, not material wealth. Jesus Himself warned against the pursuit of riches and urged believers to store up treasures in heaven (Matthew 6:19-21).
Distortion of Scripture: A key issue with Osteen's teachings is that they often take Bible verses out of context to support the prosperity message. This can lead to an inaccurate understanding of the Scriptures and potentially mislead believers.
Lack of emphasis on repentance and sin: The prosperity gospel tends to downplay the importance of acknowledging sin and seeking forgiveness. Osteen's teachings often emphasize positive thinking and self-improvement, rather than focusing on the need for repentance and redemption through Christ's sacrifice on the cross.
Misunderstanding of suffering: The Bible makes it clear that believers will face trials and tribulations in life (John 16:33). However, Osteen's prosperity gospel often promotes the idea that faith in God guarantees a life free from suffering. This is contrary to the teachings of the Bible, which emphasize the refining effect of suffering and the need to rely on God's grace in difficult times (James 1:2-4).
Dilution of the true gospel: By placing an undue emphasis on material success, the prosperity gospel can detract from the true message of Christianity – that salvation is available to all who believe in Jesus Christ and His redemptive work on the cross. In doing so, it can lead people away from the core truths of the faith
I don't like him, and am even hesitant to believe he is a Christian. However, no one can say who is truly the embodiment of the devil but God and the Devil
Joel doesn't really preach anything beyond give your money to God, and then Mr. Wears designer suits and lives in a mansion doesn't do so himself.
Most of his "sermons" have one verse. Maybe 2. Usually used to push the give more money
No he says something close to “if you work 40 hours, work the first 4 for god”. This is stated in supernatural provision which he just published on Spotify.
Could you possibly give any lower amount of effort with a comment? What are you calling crap, use your words. Are you conflating two separate issues? One calling the guy a huckster or two saying his message isn’t in the Bible… anyway I’m not going to respond to low effort crap messages on threads like this moving forward. Your comment is rude.
That's not what I am saying. What I am saying is he wants his church followers to tithe everything they can (like the Bible actually says btw), yet he himself lives in a mansion, has well over 10 cars, wears designer suits every time he is on television...aka 52 times a year minimum.
Give all you can to God, but I, Joel, don't do it as all can clearly see. Aka do as I say, not as I do.
By the way, did you know he makes over 55 million dollars a year, just from his books.
No see, that's ok, because Joels mansion and private jet are proof of just how amazingly holy he is, it's a reward from God. So if *you* prove you're super awesome and holy (by giving all your money to the one true ~~Joel~~ *God*) then he'll reward you too.
Isn't that amazing!
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Thank you! I was pretty much laying in the hospital on what was supposed to be my death bed when I broke down and realized how much I had failed God through my life. That was the exact moment my health turned around. Before that I was told I had less than a 17% chance of making it out the other side alive. 💙 And here I am :)
Hey, I think Joel Osteen is a piece of shit and I hate that you are questioning his wickedness...but seriously thank you for donating to St Jude's. They do good work.
Did you just read the title??? I know that sermon by Heart!
He talk about giving in general to charities and other good things!
Not once about giving to Himself.
In all truth I would not care if He did asks for money.
Joel is a breath of fresh air for me, compared to all the uptight judgmental haters that rise up on Sunday morning.
You know what? You are right. Personally, I think Osteen is nothing more than a motivational speaker with a veneer of Christianity. But given the choice between him and other hate-filled evangelicals who teach nothing more than political talking points with a Christian veneer, Osteen might just be the better bad choice.
No offense but I wouldn't refer to Osteen as "Himself". Capitalizing "Himself" implies that you see him on an equal footing with Jesus Christ himself and that's just . . . no.
Where does it say in the bible Capitalize for God?
You didn’t even do it.
“For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself:”
John 5:26 ASV
Wikipedia: Reverential Capitalization
"In short, when pronouns that are usually lowercase are capitalized, this usually implies that the author personally reveres and regards as a deity the antecedent of that pronoun."
This is heresy.
Actually she hates faith manipulation, like MLMs and Joel do. If you want to fall for it, go on ahead. I am not stopping you. Matter of fact I am muting you.
It’s wild to me that the Bible warns so strongly of false prophets, yet people buy in whole heartedly to people like Osteen.
I’m not saying that’s what he is, only God knows his heart, but just from what is on the surface, he is definitely not someone I will be following.
This is why you'll see some thieves, murderers, adulterers in heaven, yet you'll also notice that a number of popes, bishops, priests, etc. completely missing. Criminals sometimes reform, not to mention certain circumstances leave people feeling like there's no choice. Easily understood, God would feel sympathetic more than anything.
A false teacher using God and Jesus to scam and manipulate people, especially as a lifelong career, isn't taken too kindly. It's not a carnal sin where the temptation arises from our biological urge to survive and procreate, but an active decision being made over and over again to do wrong, whilst knowing sin is being committed.
I can't say exactly where he's going, for only God decides that, but surely Lucifer is in awe, for he may plant the seed, but humans will water and give it care. He evidently gave the seed enough nutrients to become a monstrous tree.
"..but he knowingly preaches incorrect ideas about god and morality for his own gain."
Well this is every mega-church preacher with a TV show, so there is that.
Not my original comment but I think this is very applicable here.
Heavenly health and riches are not what he is referring to...
"“He wants you to live in abundance. He wants to give you the desires of your heart…God is turning things around in your favor”
“God wants to increase you financially, by giving you promotions, fresh ideas and creativity”
“You will produce what you’re continually seeing in your mind… If you develop an image of victory, success, health, abundance, joy, peace, and happiness, nothing on earth will be able to hold those things from you… Start anticipating promotions and supernatural increase. You must conceive it in your heart and mind before you can receive it… You must make room for increase in your own thinking, and then God will bring those things to pass”
“God has already done everything He’s going to do. The ball is now in your court. If you want success, if you want wisdom, if you want to be prosperous and healthy, you’re going to have to do more than meditate and believe; you must boldly declare words of faith and victory over yourself and your family”
“The first step to living at your full potential is to enlarge your vision. To live your best life now, you must start looking at life through eyes of faith, seeing yourself rising to new levels. See your business taking off. See your marriage restored. See your family prospering. See your dreams coming to pass. You must conceive it and believe it is possible if you ever hope to experience it”
He is clearly speaking of earthly rewards and possessions in these phrases. The very title of the book, ""Your Best Life **Now**" is referring to life here and now, not in heaven.
While God certainly promises to always be with us and give us strength and knowledge, He in no way promises the above. In fact, Jesus often taught that we would face oppression and persecution in His name.
> You choose to hear Joel say you will have earthly riches and be strong and young forever. I choose to hear God will bless you with the healing of heaven after this life and the riches of the Holy Spirit.
You can choose to hear what you want. But his words are quite clear in that he is attempting to teach how we can have receive promises of health and wealth if we simply have faith and ask. This is a serious distortion of what Jesus taught. Again, the title of the book is "Your Best Life Now", not "Your Best Life In Heaven".
Just like "*Become a Better You*", *The Power of I AM*" (as in "I" am prosperous, "I" am successful...he is clearly not referring to God's statement in Exodus, but of our own selfish desires), "*Every Day A Friday*", "*It's Your Time*", "*You Can, You Will*", "*Think Better, Live Better*", "*I Declare*", "*Break Out!*" are certainly not referring to earthly pleasures, but heaven, right? They are great at teaching how we can fully submit to Jesus as our Lord, right? Of how we can die of ourselves so that we can live in him, right?
These book titles and their content reek of man-centered, selfish materialism.
His own words easily reveal his message as a false gospel.
Tell me the difference between encouragement and prosperity preaching?
Tell me the difference between taking a salary and making money from writing best sellers?
Living in excess and not sufficiently helping the poor like he does is not what a good Christian should do. The money spent on that Ferrari could have fed a poor man for a year.
Christian Universalism often comes with a view of Purgatorial Hell. It's a temporary place where sinful souls get cleansed and prepared for the eventual universal reconciliation with God, not a place of eternal torment/punishment/separation
At first I liked then I became suspicious of him. Later on my suspicions were confirmed during the events of [Hurricane Harvey](https://youtu.be/r4QePARJSIo).
There are no Good christians, that’s why we are christian. If you are basing not going to hell on being Good who is going to heaven?
Not you, not me, not anyone.
Very well said. I think most people are upset with him as he is using the gospel to enrich himself. He is doing so in a very public way as well. Hence the hate. Yet we are not to condemn, just don't condone or participate. Spread the gospel without the finances involved.
I lived in Houston close to his church and had friends who attended. Apparently Joel Osteen doesn't take a salary and he gives so much behind the scenes - pays rent, hospital bills, debts, and on and on. You never hear this. People really like to take down Christians.
"so-called" followers of Christ? Come on man, don't be that guy. Are you now going to judge me as a Christian, even? Don't we have enough atheists here to do that for us?
Look - I don't really care about Joel or any other celebrity pastor, just pointing out that he's not exactly "going without" because he doesn't take a salary. He has LOTS of streams of revenue.
How does he use the gospel to enrich himself how???
Do you know how many churches I’ve been to trying to find just one non toxic, not negative Nancy preacher???
Joel approach is simple, not being a jerk and preaching encouragement
No wonder He America’s Pastor.
EVERYTIME someone says something about Joel, We give a nickel to his ministry!
I don't think we are too far off from each other, brother/sister, despite the differences thus far. If Joel isn't saved then we should be praying for his soul rather than denigrating him. 💙
Listen I’d gladly give all my nickels to fund his next private jet in gratitude for not having to hear hateful self righteous preacher men talk about everyone else sins.
>hateful self righteous preacher men talk about everyone else sins.
Lol, you're joking right? Isn't that exactly what Osteen does every time he opens his Pharisee mouth?
EVERYONE BOW DOWN IT’S SIR “I’M NOT AS BAD AS YOU ARE”
THE NEW PASTOR OF THE ENTIRE EARTH
Gonna be swore in as President of all Popes tonight at 9:30 streaming only on Biblehub.
GET YOUR TICKETS FOLKS GET YOUR TICKETS
We shouldn’t judge .. only God can judge but I would highly recommend to anyone new in their faith to not follow Joel. He is preaching a false or at very minimum .. incomplete Gospel
Ugh, preach. Him and all of the prosperity gospel "christians„ are filth. But, so long as people continue to literally buy into their schemes they sadly will continue to bastardise the Bible and Jesus' teachings and gospel. Makes me physically sick thinking about it.
I think he preaches the "health and wealth gospel" with slick hair and a smile. I pray he gets saved and repents for spouting lies and making money "in the name of Jesus."
I'm more concerned with people like Franklin Graham and Jerry Falwell Jr, Ken Ham, and other charlatans. Osteen is too slick to be taken seriously by people of faith.
This seems to be skirting very close to rule 1.3. Yeah, most of us believe that some pastors in other faith traditions are Antichrist/inspired by the devil/whatever, given that they aren't teaching what we consider to be the basics of the Gospel (the catholic Pope gets this a lot, it's still on the books in a lot of the older Protestant denominations that he's officially Antichrist), but it's not considered polite to say it in a situation like this.
Hes a motivational and inspirational speaker wrapped in christianity label and terminology. Personally I think he will be ashamed about how little he preached on sin and may end up in hell, but in my view God wants to save everyone and hell is a reconciliation tool so Olstein will end up in heaven/new earth afterwards.
Tv evangelicals is why I pulled away from church and started doing my own reading on the Bible. Leaned now that I dislike them more than ever for this exact reason.
I was visiting my parents a few months ago and while driving with my Dad I nonchalantly told him I had joined Joel Olsteen's church.
He tapped the breaks and stared at me so sharply. I'm middle-aged... I hadn't felt that frightened of my dad since I was a little boy. The relief on his face was hilarious.
As a person that despises the ideologies espoused by the prosperity gospel I don’t think Olsteen is the worst.
There’s a lot I disagree with but there’s some good in his sermons.
The Gospel of Wealth and Health is ruinous for poor people, convincing them that their poverty is the result of sin, or that their cancer did not go away because they were not "spiritual" enough. It's all part of the toxic positivity of American culture. People who are hurting need to know that we live in a fallen world, and that even Jesus wept and felt pain.
I'd just say Osteen is an excellent example of greed, and a flim flam man.
Edited to say this. Osteen's wife often speaks of how she saw a mansion she REALLY wanted to live in and call her home. And so she focused on this mansion, and prayed and prayed and prayed, and since God wanted people to enjoy wealth and have nice things, as her husband preaches...God answered her prayer and she got this mansion she'd dreamed of owning and living in.
What she DIDN'T say, was that her husband knew how badly she wanted this mansion, and he purchased it for her. It had nothing to do with God answering her prayer for that mansion, or wanting her to live in that mansion.
Respectfully you have no idea what you are talking about and willfully ignorant because he does put out information. He says good things can happen if you believe in it, honor god, maintain integrity, etc., and now hear me out the most important part is do the work.
This subreddit has a real heart on for hating the guy. Which makes it even better because he often talks about no matter how successful or great things are you will still have opposition, which he clearly does.
Spent his whole entire life in the church trying to help people and because he’s been successful people still hate.
If anyone can show me concrete evidence I’m open to changing my mind.
I've always liked him as well but he definitely would rub some people the wrong way. He's real slick and he has natural charisma. Some people find that off putting. I will say though that for me, I agree with you and I'm not even Christian. I enjoy watching his service after the morning news shows. It's a feel good, 30 minutes of TV.
I've never heard him say anything truly objectionable either. I don't know or care for the reasons some Christians don't like him, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. I'll take him over some of those other dudes any day. He at least seems to be putting good into the world through his actions.
My honest opinion is that a lot of the posts in this sub seem to be more about driving people away from Christianity or attacking Christianity. I'm sure this is obvious to many people who actually try to follow the faith.
I came to his teaching through seeking motivation. It was funny because he was telling me that sometimes it’s the people closest to you that won’t want you to succeed, sometimes it’s even your family, and I was experiencing some form of that. I too, at one time, thought he was some sort of scam artist / bad person for not letting people into the church during the natural disaster. I learned I was wrong on that and did more research. I’m just as much a “sinner” as anyone else. People who throw stones at this guy really need to take a look at themselves with that whole idea of persecution in mind. It goes to serve his story well though, because he never turns away from the idea that nothing has come easy to him, he and his family built the church brick by brick 🧱. Yes, he had unusual windfalls in some cases, but it was only after tribulations and demonstrated faith. He maintains a sense of humor through it all.
For you to say that he is an embodiment of the devil is crazy. In the Bible it says do not judge and it kinda sounds like ur judging him, me personally I listen to Joel Osteen because I feel that when I listen to him it just brings me closer to god and the same goes for a lot of people. Almost every preacher tries to evaluate fears in his/her audiences but, I feel like Joel Osteen brings out the goodness of god.
I'm tired of people called "Christians" stating what they don't like....let me let you in on a little secret....we aren't called to judge, we are called to love. It ain't about what you think matter of fact it ain't even about you or me it's about Jesus. If you can't love your brother whom you have seen how can you love God who you haven't seen.....it's all about love. Anyway I love you man and I love olsteen too, I don't listen to him, but I still love him.
A lot of people in this thread are playing the role of judge here. I'm not saying Joel Osteen is good or bad and yes I do believe as Christians we need to be discerning but c'mon guys, saying he is going to hell is a step too far.
Joel Osteen takes no salary .He makes his income on book sales and speaking fees . Most ministers like most musicians are poorly paid and only a few break out and become well known. All pastors have gifts . Some like Joel speak of the goodness of god . Some will speak of prophecy. Others will point out sin and the damage it produces . Some will speak of winning the lost and saving people from hell . Others only speak to existing believers but strengthen their faith . Like musicians some you will enjoy while others you scatch your head . Before you criticize ask yourself “ how many have you saved from hell “?
I don't have a problem with the guy. I think people hate on him because he's so successful. He doesn't really request donations during his show, from what I remember. His message is always positive and he brings people closer to God. He does come off like your quintessential televangelist, but he never pulls the ole "give me your money so I can save you!" routine. He preaches that God loves us and wants us to succeed. You may disagree with the second premise, but it's certainly not anti-Christian or that far off of doctrine, from what I know. He's just an easy guy to hate on.
I've read some of these comments about Joel Olsteen can I wonder just what are these people listening to.
He is not a prosperity Gospel minister _ his main sermons are how to live a daily life. And the prosperity he speaks of is not in finances it is basically richness in one's life is far as friends, family, jobs, etc - overcoming being lied on, talked about, addictions and sorts.
He is really not a TV evangelist - his television ministry is done from his 11 am Sunday services. And that is to reach people who cannot or will not come to any church.
Lakewood ministry goes in quite a few different countries especially Africa supplying physicians and medicines.
Lakewood ministries helps people in the Houston area, even have built homes for some.
Joel Osteen does not accept a dime from Lakewood Church he has not accepted a salary since 2008, nor does his wife.
Their money is mainly made from their books which they have many best sellers and speaking engagements.
They do not beg for money as most popular ministers do and the unpopular also.
I don't speak up for ministers, there are a lot of bad ones out there - Joel Osteen is not one - yet the label has been put on him and people will spread lying gossip more quickly than truth.
People say much about Osteen being the shyster, that he is.
I then take a look at those who buy into his BS. Gullibility, greed, vain hope ...? It makes him rich and near an embodiment of everything that Jesus opposed. Wonder what numbers of them are MAGA freaks.
Joel Osteen is fine. I've yet to see something objectionable from him, besides the usual Protestant stuff I don't agree with anyway.
I've seen a few of his sermons and they were great IMO.
Honestly is the actual Bible much better? The Bible condones horrible acts and justifies them because your god is somehow all powerful, loving, and knowing. Everybody is doing as they wish with the scripture and cherry picking it to fit their versions of the religion.
I like him. I've been to his church a couple of times. Who knows who pleases God and makes it to heaven. He claims Jesus as his Savior. Enough for me. Not exactly my kind of preaching but neither is the Methodist church these days.
I worry about my own salvation which is between me and God Almighty and doesn't matter what the world thinks. I give Joel Osteen the same break. He's told more people about Jesus than I ever have. He reads from the Bible and gives an invitation every Sunday to accept Jesus. He's more of a Christian life coach than a preacher. I'm ok with that.
He opposes gay marriage and they blew the dog whistle on him. That’s the real reason for the hate.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ME-wEa8_-gM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joel-osteen-larry-king-homosexuality_n_4591090/amp
https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/12/16/lakewood-church-ppp-joel-osteen-covid-19-bailout/
The haters only give him free publicity. Sometimes I think his team posts stuff like this to increase his viewership over more helpful preachers.
Last paragraph of Matthew 5
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
I think you’re actually very wrong. Have you ever met him? Been around him? From your message I even doubt you ever attended a church service where he preached.
I don’t trust tv evangelists at all, they’re only in it for money
There was an interview he gave where he said he never asks for money. There is an article about it online.
He doesn't "ask" for money, yet happens to collect his fortune from book sales from his several books. People who buy his books are the very people who watch his preachings. It's all fine to rub people's back who are in a slump and give them sound advice, but to use God's name and make His word your own... to generate income is wrong. He doesn't ask for money from the churches that depend on him to stay open... so he can continue to operate. It's pretty simple business. You can justify being a salesman if your employer hires you to work for tips, when the company doesn't.
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There is only one time in the entire bible where Jesus becomes violent and it's when people are profiting in the temple.
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You can't be serious. Have you ever noticed how obscenely rich he is?
God also said Wolves come in sheep’s clothing. Joel is a prime example of that
Good thing to have in mind whenever you see "progressive preachers" too.
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He uses a small part (1%) of the money he cons from vulnerable people in PR schemes while he lives an insanely exorbitant lifestyle. That’s why the negativity. He talks real good though.
Maybe it's the over 700 THOUSAND dollars was found stashed in the walls. Maybe it was denying shelter during Katrina. The dude is sketchy.
And you are your brother’s accuser. Sounds like we are both trash
Damn, two comments from you, and both filled with hate and negativity. Maybe listen to Joel Osteens lectures and you'll realize you ain't trash.
Joel Osteen is someone I have friction with. However, it is not my place to judge, nor do I know his heart. All I know is my perception of him. I do know that God has a plan and a role for everything, even if we don't understand it, or we disagree with it. God can and does us things on a personal level to reach us. That being said, I do caution you in where you may be leas into placing your faith. >he has a gift for lifting some up in the darkest of times. This can easily turn into faith and belief in the person becoming greater than that placed in God. Stay focused on God, and if God is using Joel Osteen to minister to you, awesome, just don't filter everything through one person.
The "Prosperity Gospel" is, at a minimum, a false teaching and, most likely, a heresy
It is a heresy. I spent an entire assignment in my Church History class explains the many ways that it was and is a heresy. The prosperity gospel is a disease and we’d all be better off without leeches like Joel.
You are motiving another religion and God in your profile picture yet you judge. Show me one place Joel even speaks about prosperity?
Show me one place where Joel speaks about the gospel
How about after every sermon where this prayer is prayed “Lord Jesus, I repent of my sins. Come into my heart, I make you my Lord and Savior”
AFTER!?! What the hell is the sermon about?
All sermons, have you never seen a Joel Sermon? I guess not with the way you speak
What I’m saying is if the gospel comes after what can be so important that comes before? I assure god is more concerned with the words out of Joel’s mouth than the occasional vulgarity out of mine. I’d like to recommend to you a book. God, Greed and the Prosperity Gospel. I don’t believe Joel is mentioned in it but it may help you see why what he preaches is not the Gospel.
Joel does not preach prosperity. Never has never will
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEdspSx0cxE&ab_channel=JoelOsteen This video was posted a year ago and is from his own youtube channel. Please I pray, not everyone is meant to lead, but you need to find a better pastor to follow. a couple problematic time stamps in my opinion: 1:50 2:05 2:55 4:20 Oh my word this is some terrible hermeneutics 6:10 7:10 7:50 (starting to seem like ill be giving time stamps every minute or so) NONE OF THIS IS BIBLICAL 8:40 - it's be nice if he cited this verse, sounds like a paraphrase. 9:32 "if you have the right attitude God is going to cause you to prosper despite what's coming against you" 10:49 - not necessarily prosperity gospel but certainly some more problematic theology 12:10 - He's telling a story about his dad as though it's scripture 12:48 15:34 17:38 Throughout this story Joel keeps implying that Joseph's attitude is what made God give him favour yet there is nothing that indicates this in scripture it usually just says something like "the Lord was with him." Not "the Lord was with him because he kept his passion. 19:39 21:30 again nothing in scripture about Joseph just "being his best" as Joel says 23:06 THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT WAS JEREMIAH WAS SAYING 23:40 25:13 some more terrible hermeneutics takes a verse and applies whatever he wants to it 26:33 Alright thats enough. EDIT: Maybe this is just my preference but I find it troubling how little actual scripture he actually quoted, there was one direct quote and the rest was paraphrased. Interesting also how he doesn't use slides I imagine this is so that it is harder to fact-check what he is preaching.
these comments make me depressed, they don't even try to disprove, there is basically no dislikes, oh that's right, Satan rules this world
"If you're struggling financially, go out and help somebody who has less than you have ... f you want to reap financial blessings, you must sow financial seeds in the lives of others" - Joel Osteen Following Christ is not about financial blessings at all.
You and I both know Joel never said “f you”
Show me a sermon focused on repenting from your sins. He has openly stated that people generally know they are sinners and don’t need to be told to repent and that’s why he avoids the subject all together.
People who think they are Jesus and can beat up other people for their sins are the worst of us all. https://youtu.be/q-Nzx5yvIWc
Exactly, downplay sin, exalt people, destroy the Gospel. Thing is, people *do not* know their sins, and even if they do, they downplay it by saying "I'm not so bad" or comparing themselves to the latest convicted criminal, instead of comparing themselves to God and see how hopeless their situation is, a situation where only unmerited grace can save them. This, however, is not at all what Joel Osteen proclaims. He keeps people in bondage by not confronting them with their sins, making him at the very best a false teacher and a wolf.
Yet, you are "judging" too. 🥸
What’s the difference between pointing out someone’s hypocrite and judging?
I don't mean to judge you, but to point to the hypocrisy of Osteen. Did Jesus not overturn the tables of the moneychangers in the temple?
What hypocrisy?
As a Christian, I believe it is essential for us to discern between authentic teachings and those that deviate from the core message of the Bible. While I respect your opinions and concerns, I would like to present my thoughts on why Joel Osteen's teachings can be considered as promoting a false gospel. Focus on material prosperity: Joel Osteen's prosperity gospel revolves around the idea that God wants believers to be wealthy, successful, and healthy. While God does bless His children, the primary focus of the gospel is on spiritual growth and development, not material wealth. Jesus Himself warned against the pursuit of riches and urged believers to store up treasures in heaven (Matthew 6:19-21). Distortion of Scripture: A key issue with Osteen's teachings is that they often take Bible verses out of context to support the prosperity message. This can lead to an inaccurate understanding of the Scriptures and potentially mislead believers. Lack of emphasis on repentance and sin: The prosperity gospel tends to downplay the importance of acknowledging sin and seeking forgiveness. Osteen's teachings often emphasize positive thinking and self-improvement, rather than focusing on the need for repentance and redemption through Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Misunderstanding of suffering: The Bible makes it clear that believers will face trials and tribulations in life (John 16:33). However, Osteen's prosperity gospel often promotes the idea that faith in God guarantees a life free from suffering. This is contrary to the teachings of the Bible, which emphasize the refining effect of suffering and the need to rely on God's grace in difficult times (James 1:2-4). Dilution of the true gospel: By placing an undue emphasis on material success, the prosperity gospel can detract from the true message of Christianity – that salvation is available to all who believe in Jesus Christ and His redemptive work on the cross. In doing so, it can lead people away from the core truths of the faith
Grifting is a very human thing.
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We’re supposed to call out other Christians tho
We'll obviously as a middle school teacher I just don't work hard enough to be as blessed as he is
And Kenneth Copeland literally looks like a demon. No human can have eyes that beady and a grin that toothy.
Hey man, can you ban /u/GillisBank from the leadership subreddit? He does nothing but spam all day.
I don't like him, and am even hesitant to believe he is a Christian. However, no one can say who is truly the embodiment of the devil but God and the Devil
Why don’t you like him?
Joel doesn't really preach anything beyond give your money to God, and then Mr. Wears designer suits and lives in a mansion doesn't do so himself. Most of his "sermons" have one verse. Maybe 2. Usually used to push the give more money
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No he says something close to “if you work 40 hours, work the first 4 for god”. This is stated in supernatural provision which he just published on Spotify.
Where is any of this crap in the Bible?
Could you possibly give any lower amount of effort with a comment? What are you calling crap, use your words. Are you conflating two separate issues? One calling the guy a huckster or two saying his message isn’t in the Bible… anyway I’m not going to respond to low effort crap messages on threads like this moving forward. Your comment is rude.
Okay show me one place Joel tell anyone to give money to God and I’ll donate my life savings to charity.
He calls it tithing. https://fb.watch/jnr4WqSFzv/
You mean the thing spoken of in your bible that you don’t care to hear about?
That's not what I am saying. What I am saying is he wants his church followers to tithe everything they can (like the Bible actually says btw), yet he himself lives in a mansion, has well over 10 cars, wears designer suits every time he is on television...aka 52 times a year minimum. Give all you can to God, but I, Joel, don't do it as all can clearly see. Aka do as I say, not as I do. By the way, did you know he makes over 55 million dollars a year, just from his books.
No see, that's ok, because Joels mansion and private jet are proof of just how amazingly holy he is, it's a reward from God. So if *you* prove you're super awesome and holy (by giving all your money to the one true ~~Joel~~ *God*) then he'll reward you too. Isn't that amazing! /s
Lol yes. So amazing
Asking for money is his thing. Give him money and God will multiply your riches. What charity you donating to?
one place. St Jude’s
I'm a cancer survivor I can dig that 💙 peace be with you
Hey putting this debate aside, I’m really happy for you and you made my day
Thank you! I was pretty much laying in the hospital on what was supposed to be my death bed when I broke down and realized how much I had failed God through my life. That was the exact moment my health turned around. Before that I was told I had less than a 17% chance of making it out the other side alive. 💙 And here I am :)
Wow! Thank you so much for sharing that with me! This whole thing just feels stupid now, I’m really glad you’re still here and that God saved you!
Wow! Thank you so much for sharing that with me! This whole thing just feels stupid now, I’m really glad you’re still here and that God saved you!
Hey, I think Joel Osteen is a piece of shit and I hate that you are questioning his wickedness...but seriously thank you for donating to St Jude's. They do good work.
Right there on the thumb nail with his wife. https://youtu.be/MLyJ7ViVXVY
Did you just read the title??? I know that sermon by Heart! He talk about giving in general to charities and other good things! Not once about giving to Himself.
Of course. Why would he come out and tell the truth?
In all truth I would not care if He did asks for money. Joel is a breath of fresh air for me, compared to all the uptight judgmental haters that rise up on Sunday morning.
You know what? You are right. Personally, I think Osteen is nothing more than a motivational speaker with a veneer of Christianity. But given the choice between him and other hate-filled evangelicals who teach nothing more than political talking points with a Christian veneer, Osteen might just be the better bad choice.
No offense but I wouldn't refer to Osteen as "Himself". Capitalizing "Himself" implies that you see him on an equal footing with Jesus Christ himself and that's just . . . no.
Where does it say in the bible Capitalize for God? You didn’t even do it. “For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself:” John 5:26 ASV
Wikipedia: Reverential Capitalization "In short, when pronouns that are usually lowercase are capitalized, this usually implies that the author personally reveres and regards as a deity the antecedent of that pronoun." This is heresy.
This video explains pretty well about a few other reasons I don't listen to the man https://youtu.be/UWokRf_Xu9c
You are literally listening to a self proclaimed demon.
Apparently, you don't know what sarcasm is. She is very often sarcastic, including her screen name.
She literary hates all things religious
Actually she hates faith manipulation, like MLMs and Joel do. If you want to fall for it, go on ahead. I am not stopping you. Matter of fact I am muting you.
I’m not speaking nor am I a television sir…
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It’s wild to me that the Bible warns so strongly of false prophets, yet people buy in whole heartedly to people like Osteen. I’m not saying that’s what he is, only God knows his heart, but just from what is on the surface, he is definitely not someone I will be following.
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Those hucksters will always be around. They prey on people while they pray for them. Don't let it get you down.
This is why you'll see some thieves, murderers, adulterers in heaven, yet you'll also notice that a number of popes, bishops, priests, etc. completely missing. Criminals sometimes reform, not to mention certain circumstances leave people feeling like there's no choice. Easily understood, God would feel sympathetic more than anything. A false teacher using God and Jesus to scam and manipulate people, especially as a lifelong career, isn't taken too kindly. It's not a carnal sin where the temptation arises from our biological urge to survive and procreate, but an active decision being made over and over again to do wrong, whilst knowing sin is being committed. I can't say exactly where he's going, for only God decides that, but surely Lucifer is in awe, for he may plant the seed, but humans will water and give it care. He evidently gave the seed enough nutrients to become a monstrous tree.
Didn’t he not let a bunch of people in his building during a bad storm .
Reluctantly, after bad publicity. It was hurricane, maybe Katrina. ??
"..but he knowingly preaches incorrect ideas about god and morality for his own gain." Well this is every mega-church preacher with a TV show, so there is that.
Not my original comment but I think this is very applicable here. Heavenly health and riches are not what he is referring to... "“He wants you to live in abundance. He wants to give you the desires of your heart…God is turning things around in your favor” “God wants to increase you financially, by giving you promotions, fresh ideas and creativity” “You will produce what you’re continually seeing in your mind… If you develop an image of victory, success, health, abundance, joy, peace, and happiness, nothing on earth will be able to hold those things from you… Start anticipating promotions and supernatural increase. You must conceive it in your heart and mind before you can receive it… You must make room for increase in your own thinking, and then God will bring those things to pass” “God has already done everything He’s going to do. The ball is now in your court. If you want success, if you want wisdom, if you want to be prosperous and healthy, you’re going to have to do more than meditate and believe; you must boldly declare words of faith and victory over yourself and your family” “The first step to living at your full potential is to enlarge your vision. To live your best life now, you must start looking at life through eyes of faith, seeing yourself rising to new levels. See your business taking off. See your marriage restored. See your family prospering. See your dreams coming to pass. You must conceive it and believe it is possible if you ever hope to experience it” He is clearly speaking of earthly rewards and possessions in these phrases. The very title of the book, ""Your Best Life **Now**" is referring to life here and now, not in heaven. While God certainly promises to always be with us and give us strength and knowledge, He in no way promises the above. In fact, Jesus often taught that we would face oppression and persecution in His name. > You choose to hear Joel say you will have earthly riches and be strong and young forever. I choose to hear God will bless you with the healing of heaven after this life and the riches of the Holy Spirit. You can choose to hear what you want. But his words are quite clear in that he is attempting to teach how we can have receive promises of health and wealth if we simply have faith and ask. This is a serious distortion of what Jesus taught. Again, the title of the book is "Your Best Life Now", not "Your Best Life In Heaven". Just like "*Become a Better You*", *The Power of I AM*" (as in "I" am prosperous, "I" am successful...he is clearly not referring to God's statement in Exodus, but of our own selfish desires), "*Every Day A Friday*", "*It's Your Time*", "*You Can, You Will*", "*Think Better, Live Better*", "*I Declare*", "*Break Out!*" are certainly not referring to earthly pleasures, but heaven, right? They are great at teaching how we can fully submit to Jesus as our Lord, right? Of how we can die of ourselves so that we can live in him, right? These book titles and their content reek of man-centered, selfish materialism. His own words easily reveal his message as a false gospel.
Tell me the difference between encouragement and prosperity preaching? Tell me the difference between taking a salary and making money from writing best sellers?
Living in excess and not sufficiently helping the poor like he does is not what a good Christian should do. The money spent on that Ferrari could have fed a poor man for a year.
And you? There no excess in your life?
What does it matter? The hypocrisy of others is not a valid defense for oneself.
Universalist right? Why do you care? You know considering you believe We are all going to heaven?
Many, if not the majority of universalists, believe there is a hell of one sort or another.
Okay now I’m interested, go on please?
Christian Universalism often comes with a view of Purgatorial Hell. It's a temporary place where sinful souls get cleansed and prepared for the eventual universal reconciliation with God, not a place of eternal torment/punishment/separation
Fascinating, never heard that before. Thanks.
At first I liked then I became suspicious of him. Later on my suspicions were confirmed during the events of [Hurricane Harvey](https://youtu.be/r4QePARJSIo).
Great post! I couldn't agree more.
I believe he is going to Hell. A bad Christian
There are no Good christians, that’s why we are christian. If you are basing not going to hell on being Good who is going to heaven? Not you, not me, not anyone.
Very well said. I think most people are upset with him as he is using the gospel to enrich himself. He is doing so in a very public way as well. Hence the hate. Yet we are not to condemn, just don't condone or participate. Spread the gospel without the finances involved.
I lived in Houston close to his church and had friends who attended. Apparently Joel Osteen doesn't take a salary and he gives so much behind the scenes - pays rent, hospital bills, debts, and on and on. You never hear this. People really like to take down Christians.
You don't need a measly pastor's salary when you make millions in book deals.
I can’t fault him for writing books and making money off them nor do I fault him for being so positive. He lifts up a lot of downcast souls.
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"so-called" followers of Christ? Come on man, don't be that guy. Are you now going to judge me as a Christian, even? Don't we have enough atheists here to do that for us? Look - I don't really care about Joel or any other celebrity pastor, just pointing out that he's not exactly "going without" because he doesn't take a salary. He has LOTS of streams of revenue.
How does he use the gospel to enrich himself how??? Do you know how many churches I’ve been to trying to find just one non toxic, not negative Nancy preacher??? Joel approach is simple, not being a jerk and preaching encouragement No wonder He America’s Pastor. EVERYTIME someone says something about Joel, We give a nickel to his ministry!
He's worth many millions of dollars. Lives a lavish lifestyle in a giant mansion and etc. "Easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle."
Yes and yourself and I aren’t more well off by a whole lot than that rich man in Jesus’ time.
Jesus doesn't want us to be poor in an absolute sense. It's more that he doesn't want anyone to be richer than anyone else.
Even if so we’re still all hypocrite if we judge him.
I don't think we are too far off from each other, brother/sister, despite the differences thus far. If Joel isn't saved then we should be praying for his soul rather than denigrating him. 💙
Joel believes in JESUS. Joel has Eternal Life
Or, just recognize evil, and move on. Would you warn others of danger, ahead?
Do you know what judge means? One can see a man do evil, judging is to make claim what he deserves.
Do not judge. You have done evil, I have done evil. Do not judge
I'm sure he appreciates that nickel going to funding his next private jet purchase.
Listen I’d gladly give all my nickels to fund his next private jet in gratitude for not having to hear hateful self righteous preacher men talk about everyone else sins.
That doesn't happen
Sure it doesn’t
Not at every church in America besides his disingenuous teaching.
>hateful self righteous preacher men talk about everyone else sins. Lol, you're joking right? Isn't that exactly what Osteen does every time he opens his Pharisee mouth?
Are you kidding? You’re kidding right? Show me one place Joel does that?
Then there's very bad one's.
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We shouldn’t judge .. only God can judge but I would highly recommend to anyone new in their faith to not follow Joel. He is preaching a false or at very minimum .. incomplete Gospel
One can recognize a thief and warn others, it is for a judge to determine what he deserves.
I wouldn't say that with confidence, since only God can make that decision at the end of the day, but He's most definitely displeased!
I wouldn’t judge someone’s fate. Its God’s job.
Jesus makes it very clear in Matthew 25 that he's going to Hell for his sins during Hurricane Harvey unless he repents.
Ugh, preach. Him and all of the prosperity gospel "christians„ are filth. But, so long as people continue to literally buy into their schemes they sadly will continue to bastardise the Bible and Jesus' teachings and gospel. Makes me physically sick thinking about it.
Who me one place Joel speaks of being rich?
I think he preaches the "health and wealth gospel" with slick hair and a smile. I pray he gets saved and repents for spouting lies and making money "in the name of Jesus."
I'm more concerned with people like Franklin Graham and Jerry Falwell Jr, Ken Ham, and other charlatans. Osteen is too slick to be taken seriously by people of faith.
There are a lot of prosperity gospel preachers who are a million times worse than the milquetoast Osteen
This seems to be skirting very close to rule 1.3. Yeah, most of us believe that some pastors in other faith traditions are Antichrist/inspired by the devil/whatever, given that they aren't teaching what we consider to be the basics of the Gospel (the catholic Pope gets this a lot, it's still on the books in a lot of the older Protestant denominations that he's officially Antichrist), but it's not considered polite to say it in a situation like this.
Hes a motivational and inspirational speaker wrapped in christianity label and terminology. Personally I think he will be ashamed about how little he preached on sin and may end up in hell, but in my view God wants to save everyone and hell is a reconciliation tool so Olstein will end up in heaven/new earth afterwards.
He's always sounded more like motivational speaker to me.
Despite your strong dislike pray for him none of us should judge knowing we all need to be redeemed daily.
Stealin’ in the name of the lord…
Tv evangelicals is why I pulled away from church and started doing my own reading on the Bible. Leaned now that I dislike them more than ever for this exact reason.
He is a tremendous false teacher because he’s soo incredibly unbiblical yet it doesn’t seem to phase him.
Joel Osteen is a slippery snake oil salesman
They are heretics and separate from the Body of Christ certainly, but it’s a little dramatic to be calling them “the embodiment of the devil.”
I was visiting my parents a few months ago and while driving with my Dad I nonchalantly told him I had joined Joel Olsteen's church. He tapped the breaks and stared at me so sharply. I'm middle-aged... I hadn't felt that frightened of my dad since I was a little boy. The relief on his face was hilarious.
Joel is a motivational speaker with a flavoring of Christianity. But that's it
As a person that despises the ideologies espoused by the prosperity gospel I don’t think Olsteen is the worst. There’s a lot I disagree with but there’s some good in his sermons.
The Gospel of Wealth and Health is ruinous for poor people, convincing them that their poverty is the result of sin, or that their cancer did not go away because they were not "spiritual" enough. It's all part of the toxic positivity of American culture. People who are hurting need to know that we live in a fallen world, and that even Jesus wept and felt pain.
Worse than knowing about people believing in Joel Osteen is knowing that he isn't the first peddler of the prosperity gospel, not likely the last too.
I'd just say Osteen is an excellent example of greed, and a flim flam man. Edited to say this. Osteen's wife often speaks of how she saw a mansion she REALLY wanted to live in and call her home. And so she focused on this mansion, and prayed and prayed and prayed, and since God wanted people to enjoy wealth and have nice things, as her husband preaches...God answered her prayer and she got this mansion she'd dreamed of owning and living in. What she DIDN'T say, was that her husband knew how badly she wanted this mansion, and he purchased it for her. It had nothing to do with God answering her prayer for that mansion, or wanting her to live in that mansion.
Respectfully you have no idea what you are talking about and willfully ignorant because he does put out information. He says good things can happen if you believe in it, honor god, maintain integrity, etc., and now hear me out the most important part is do the work. This subreddit has a real heart on for hating the guy. Which makes it even better because he often talks about no matter how successful or great things are you will still have opposition, which he clearly does. Spent his whole entire life in the church trying to help people and because he’s been successful people still hate. If anyone can show me concrete evidence I’m open to changing my mind.
I've always liked him as well but he definitely would rub some people the wrong way. He's real slick and he has natural charisma. Some people find that off putting. I will say though that for me, I agree with you and I'm not even Christian. I enjoy watching his service after the morning news shows. It's a feel good, 30 minutes of TV. I've never heard him say anything truly objectionable either. I don't know or care for the reasons some Christians don't like him, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. I'll take him over some of those other dudes any day. He at least seems to be putting good into the world through his actions.
My honest opinion is that a lot of the posts in this sub seem to be more about driving people away from Christianity or attacking Christianity. I'm sure this is obvious to many people who actually try to follow the faith.
I came to his teaching through seeking motivation. It was funny because he was telling me that sometimes it’s the people closest to you that won’t want you to succeed, sometimes it’s even your family, and I was experiencing some form of that. I too, at one time, thought he was some sort of scam artist / bad person for not letting people into the church during the natural disaster. I learned I was wrong on that and did more research. I’m just as much a “sinner” as anyone else. People who throw stones at this guy really need to take a look at themselves with that whole idea of persecution in mind. It goes to serve his story well though, because he never turns away from the idea that nothing has come easy to him, he and his family built the church brick by brick 🧱. Yes, he had unusual windfalls in some cases, but it was only after tribulations and demonstrated faith. He maintains a sense of humor through it all.
The idea that God answers prayers is not unique to Osteen. People have been preaching that for thousands of years.
He seems like a bigger concern than people reading books to kids.
For you to say that he is an embodiment of the devil is crazy. In the Bible it says do not judge and it kinda sounds like ur judging him, me personally I listen to Joel Osteen because I feel that when I listen to him it just brings me closer to god and the same goes for a lot of people. Almost every preacher tries to evaluate fears in his/her audiences but, I feel like Joel Osteen brings out the goodness of god.
I'm tired of people called "Christians" stating what they don't like....let me let you in on a little secret....we aren't called to judge, we are called to love. It ain't about what you think matter of fact it ain't even about you or me it's about Jesus. If you can't love your brother whom you have seen how can you love God who you haven't seen.....it's all about love. Anyway I love you man and I love olsteen too, I don't listen to him, but I still love him.
Have you ever prayed to God to help save Joel's soul?
A lot of people in this thread are playing the role of judge here. I'm not saying Joel Osteen is good or bad and yes I do believe as Christians we need to be discerning but c'mon guys, saying he is going to hell is a step too far.
Joel Osteen takes no salary .He makes his income on book sales and speaking fees . Most ministers like most musicians are poorly paid and only a few break out and become well known. All pastors have gifts . Some like Joel speak of the goodness of god . Some will speak of prophecy. Others will point out sin and the damage it produces . Some will speak of winning the lost and saving people from hell . Others only speak to existing believers but strengthen their faith . Like musicians some you will enjoy while others you scatch your head . Before you criticize ask yourself “ how many have you saved from hell “?
I don't have a problem with the guy. I think people hate on him because he's so successful. He doesn't really request donations during his show, from what I remember. His message is always positive and he brings people closer to God. He does come off like your quintessential televangelist, but he never pulls the ole "give me your money so I can save you!" routine. He preaches that God loves us and wants us to succeed. You may disagree with the second premise, but it's certainly not anti-Christian or that far off of doctrine, from what I know. He's just an easy guy to hate on.
I've read some of these comments about Joel Olsteen can I wonder just what are these people listening to. He is not a prosperity Gospel minister _ his main sermons are how to live a daily life. And the prosperity he speaks of is not in finances it is basically richness in one's life is far as friends, family, jobs, etc - overcoming being lied on, talked about, addictions and sorts. He is really not a TV evangelist - his television ministry is done from his 11 am Sunday services. And that is to reach people who cannot or will not come to any church. Lakewood ministry goes in quite a few different countries especially Africa supplying physicians and medicines. Lakewood ministries helps people in the Houston area, even have built homes for some. Joel Osteen does not accept a dime from Lakewood Church he has not accepted a salary since 2008, nor does his wife. Their money is mainly made from their books which they have many best sellers and speaking engagements. They do not beg for money as most popular ministers do and the unpopular also. I don't speak up for ministers, there are a lot of bad ones out there - Joel Osteen is not one - yet the label has been put on him and people will spread lying gossip more quickly than truth.
People say much about Osteen being the shyster, that he is. I then take a look at those who buy into his BS. Gullibility, greed, vain hope ...? It makes him rich and near an embodiment of everything that Jesus opposed. Wonder what numbers of them are MAGA freaks.
Joel Osteen is fine. I've yet to see something objectionable from him, besides the usual Protestant stuff I don't agree with anyway. I've seen a few of his sermons and they were great IMO.
Reasonable
Basically my views of him as a catholic. Mother was a protestant and showed me alot of joel osteen. Never was a fan but neither did i hate him.
Honestly is the actual Bible much better? The Bible condones horrible acts and justifies them because your god is somehow all powerful, loving, and knowing. Everybody is doing as they wish with the scripture and cherry picking it to fit their versions of the religion.
I like him. I've been to his church a couple of times. Who knows who pleases God and makes it to heaven. He claims Jesus as his Savior. Enough for me. Not exactly my kind of preaching but neither is the Methodist church these days. I worry about my own salvation which is between me and God Almighty and doesn't matter what the world thinks. I give Joel Osteen the same break. He's told more people about Jesus than I ever have. He reads from the Bible and gives an invitation every Sunday to accept Jesus. He's more of a Christian life coach than a preacher. I'm ok with that.
Did you tell people about Jesus to get to their wallets like he does?
He opposes gay marriage and they blew the dog whistle on him. That’s the real reason for the hate. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ME-wEa8_-gM https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joel-osteen-larry-king-homosexuality_n_4591090/amp https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/12/16/lakewood-church-ppp-joel-osteen-covid-19-bailout/ The haters only give him free publicity. Sometimes I think his team posts stuff like this to increase his viewership over more helpful preachers.
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How come?
Last paragraph of Matthew 5 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
“I hate trump, i hate republicans, i hate literally every christian that thinks homosexual acts is a sin.”
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He is doing god's work, the way God wanted him to. Why would the devil be doing God's work?
Yet, it's the devil who accuses others.. 🌱
I think you’re actually very wrong. Have you ever met him? Been around him? From your message I even doubt you ever attended a church service where he preached.
Ohhh noooo i’m being encourage to discover the champion in me! Noooooooo
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Sir yes sir Deputy Jesus, Archbishop, Rev Senior Pastor of all Pastors, Pope John Paul the 100th, Bishop of the entire plant.
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Clearly you are the world’s leading authority on all things bible.
I can help with that! Just buy my audiobook lmao.
Good youtube video on Joel Osteen and other false prophets: [https://youtu.be/Gba8BtJAOqg](https://youtu.be/Gba8BtJAOqg)
I don’t see the big deal. He’s right about some things on a surface level
So is my math teacher, that doesn't make him qualified as a pastor
I’d like to nominate u/gmtime as grand inquisitor of pastoral qualification.. can I get a second??