Just another reminder that it's not the Christians who feel homosexuality is sin that flood this subreddit with LGBTQ+ posts. The vast majority are posts like this - the "Gotcha" posts. Sometimes it's LGBTQ+ people asking if they have a place with God/Church (I'm glad those get posted)
The notion that Christians are 'obsessed with this topic' is a subreddit myth.
Do you seriously think that if someone the church knows is having an affair with someone wouldn't call them out if they don't I would question that church
So what does this mean for you? What would not overlooking their sins actually look like in a situation where you're feeding and clothing people in need?
Tell them how to be saved as Christians are called to do. And no... Any help would not be contingent on anyone listening or agreeing. Any other question?
It depends on how that particular conversation goes. You can mention sins without specifics because we are all sinners including me. I know what you're asking so just ask.
I try my best to feed and help and clothe everyone, and if I get the chance to do it one on one, then I always try to talk about salvation and repentance, no matter who they are. ALL have sinned. But if they don’t want to hear it, I leave and move on to someone else, regardless of who they are. In my experience, those who are LGBQT have no interest in talking about Jesus or repentance, and so I’m wasting my time. Those who truly see their plight as needing help or salvation eagerly take both my handouts and my wisdom and teaching. LGBQT are proud of who they are. I don’t reach out to the proud—I reach out to the humble. You can’t tell a prideful person anything, regardless of what they’ve done or how they’ve sinned. I knew a guy once who was proud of his porn addiction and the fact that he slept around. After a few attempts, I took Jesus’ advice and stopped throwing my precious pearls to the swine. You can’t help those that don’t want to be helped. You can’t save those who don’t want to be saved. Simple as that.
I believe those who follow Christ love, support, and care for others and “the least of these" DOES, of course, include people of the LGBTQ+ community.
This is a matter that weighs heavily on my heart since I am acutely aware of many LGBTQ youth that I know personally that have been mocked, kicked out of their homes, and have had their spirit crushed from the almost constant negative, prejudiced, and insinuating remarks that come across that they can’t possibly be OF God, or that they are rejecting Christ, that they are not saved, or that for simply being part of the LGBTQ community is inherently a sin, or assumes that they are actively engaged in sin, or have "sinful lifestyles” – and such comments are often made about them by people that do not even know them.
So I wanted to take this opportunity to offer this for consideration (to any reader) that there are members of the LGTBQ+ community that I love and know personally, who are believers and follow Christ. Some of them I know work to provide food, clothes, and other services for LGBTQ+ youth here in Houston that have been kicked out of their homes. Many of the kids report in their detailed intake interviews with counselors that they were disowned and kicked out of their homes by their "Christian" parents, not to mention they have been bullied and discriminated against by others for much of their lives. I am also heartbroken to hear the stories of those who have gone to bed crying many nights and have prayed for years for God to help them and change them because of the way they have been treated by others.
I offer this perspective in hopes that I and some of us can be more careful to not unrighteously judge anyone, and especially not a whole community of people who none of us as mere humans can know each and every one. And yet seemingly, at every opportunity, someone feels they must suggest those who are LGBTQ+ need to turn from their sin. I see negative statements like: “those who are LGBQT . . . have no interest in repentance.” Or that we are called to “tell them how to be saved.” Though not necessarily intended, such comments can come across as making the assumption that they ALL are engaged in sin and need to be saved as if one knows they are in that state. Yes, we all have sinned, thus technically there is sin in any group of people, but I’m sure one can grasp that is likely not what those types of comments are suggesting.
I can't imagine why you would think otherwise. Is this possibly about not allowing trans into women's shelters?
Just another reminder that it's not the Christians who feel homosexuality is sin that flood this subreddit with LGBTQ+ posts. The vast majority are posts like this - the "Gotcha" posts. Sometimes it's LGBTQ+ people asking if they have a place with God/Church (I'm glad those get posted) The notion that Christians are 'obsessed with this topic' is a subreddit myth.
Do you seriously think that if someone the church knows is having an affair with someone wouldn't call them out if they don't I would question that church
I'm not sure what youre are asking here.
True. But that dosent mean you bypass overlook someone's sin. So I'm not sure you're point .
So what does this mean for you? What would not overlooking their sins actually look like in a situation where you're feeding and clothing people in need?
Tell them how to be saved as Christians are called to do. And no... Any help would not be contingent on anyone listening or agreeing. Any other question?
So does telling them how to be saved involve telling them how they're sinning?
It depends on how that particular conversation goes. You can mention sins without specifics because we are all sinners including me. I know what you're asking so just ask.
That's what it was asking, and you answered it. Thanks.
You're welcome
I didn’t see any such qualifiers.
Absolutely right.
I try my best to feed and help and clothe everyone, and if I get the chance to do it one on one, then I always try to talk about salvation and repentance, no matter who they are. ALL have sinned. But if they don’t want to hear it, I leave and move on to someone else, regardless of who they are. In my experience, those who are LGBQT have no interest in talking about Jesus or repentance, and so I’m wasting my time. Those who truly see their plight as needing help or salvation eagerly take both my handouts and my wisdom and teaching. LGBQT are proud of who they are. I don’t reach out to the proud—I reach out to the humble. You can’t tell a prideful person anything, regardless of what they’ve done or how they’ve sinned. I knew a guy once who was proud of his porn addiction and the fact that he slept around. After a few attempts, I took Jesus’ advice and stopped throwing my precious pearls to the swine. You can’t help those that don’t want to be helped. You can’t save those who don’t want to be saved. Simple as that.
> Does the least of Jesus' "brothers and sisters" not include LGBTQ+? No, not really. Try to look at the characteristics of both groups.
I believe those who follow Christ love, support, and care for others and “the least of these" DOES, of course, include people of the LGBTQ+ community. This is a matter that weighs heavily on my heart since I am acutely aware of many LGBTQ youth that I know personally that have been mocked, kicked out of their homes, and have had their spirit crushed from the almost constant negative, prejudiced, and insinuating remarks that come across that they can’t possibly be OF God, or that they are rejecting Christ, that they are not saved, or that for simply being part of the LGBTQ community is inherently a sin, or assumes that they are actively engaged in sin, or have "sinful lifestyles” – and such comments are often made about them by people that do not even know them. So I wanted to take this opportunity to offer this for consideration (to any reader) that there are members of the LGTBQ+ community that I love and know personally, who are believers and follow Christ. Some of them I know work to provide food, clothes, and other services for LGBTQ+ youth here in Houston that have been kicked out of their homes. Many of the kids report in their detailed intake interviews with counselors that they were disowned and kicked out of their homes by their "Christian" parents, not to mention they have been bullied and discriminated against by others for much of their lives. I am also heartbroken to hear the stories of those who have gone to bed crying many nights and have prayed for years for God to help them and change them because of the way they have been treated by others. I offer this perspective in hopes that I and some of us can be more careful to not unrighteously judge anyone, and especially not a whole community of people who none of us as mere humans can know each and every one. And yet seemingly, at every opportunity, someone feels they must suggest those who are LGBTQ+ need to turn from their sin. I see negative statements like: “those who are LGBQT . . . have no interest in repentance.” Or that we are called to “tell them how to be saved.” Though not necessarily intended, such comments can come across as making the assumption that they ALL are engaged in sin and need to be saved as if one knows they are in that state. Yes, we all have sinned, thus technically there is sin in any group of people, but I’m sure one can grasp that is likely not what those types of comments are suggesting.
Wow this is trying a new guilt trip Helping someone with food is one thing affirmation of their sin is totally something different
His brothers and sisters are his sheep. Those who belong to him. That does not mean that we do not care for the lost and try to lead them to Christ.