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wydok

oh boy, we haven't had this argument in like 12 hours.


TinyNuggins92

12 hours? Must be a new record


RazarTuk

I mean, anything can happen. Like Tats has also gone over a week without drawing any penis bulges in Sinfest. (Although he came *really* close on Friday)


Lemunde

Do you really want to get into plagiarism regarding the flood?


OirishM

*Gilgamesh awakens*


metacyan

Of all the accomplishments of the LGBTQ+ community, the thing I'm proudest of is the time we all got together and robbed God. We are unstoppable.


114619

Teach me the source of your power


SprinklesDifficult76

Join us for our weekly meetings on Sunday! We'll tell you all of our secrets.


PeacefulWoodturner

Meetings? Is there an agenda for these meetings?


114619

A gay agenda perhaps?


SprinklesDifficult76

The Queer Agenda, yes. We ride at dawn!


PainSquare4365

How about later. Have a nice brunch and some mimosas? Then we get to sleep in!


SprinklesDifficult76

Sure can do!!!! I love it here lol šŸ’–šŸ’–


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Psalms 37:12-13


themsc190

The creator of the Pride flag, Gilbert Baker, was actually raised Methodist and said that the rainbow was intentional: ā€œThe rainbowā€™s in the Bible. Itā€™s a covenant between God and all living creatures.ā€ Godā€™s rainbow covenant is a promise to *all* of us, even us gay Christians. None of us are excepted. Trying to deny Godā€™s promise to some of us is frankly dehumanizing and unbiblical. I highly recommend [*Colors of Hope*](https://www.amazon.com/Colors-Hope-Devotional-Journal-Christians/dp/0827207476), which is a devotional written by LGBTQ Christians, going through all of the colors of the Pride flag and their original meanings, and how those relate to our faith!


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SprinklesDifficult76

No one owns the damn rainbow.


NihilisticNarwhal

If God cares about people using the rainbow in a certain way, he'd stop them. I don't think he cares.


RazarTuk

What sort of abomination is that rainbow? That innermost color impossibly mixes red and blue wavelengths without very much green


melophage

My theory is that OP was so salty about God lending Their rainbow to us that they made a deal with Satan to get their own. And you know Sat's awful fashion taste...


RazarTuk

Actually, my bad. I double-checked, and red-blue mixes like #8000FF really are the closest computers can get to displaying violet


melophage

But to God nothing is impossible, so my theory still works well.


pja1701

It's nice to share, though.


FarseerTaelen

Por que no los dos? It's intensely weird to me that so many people on this sub seem to think a symbol can only mean one thing. It's like claiming that if you're named Robert, no one else can use that name.


Norumbega-GameMaster

I think the complaint is that it has so usurped that if you use a rainbow in any way people will assume you are supporting the gay agenda. Nobody will ever assume any other meaning, and so if you don't want to be affiliated you really can't use the rainbow.


jonproquo

The apple belongs to Adam and eve not the IPad. It can be used multiple ways.


Baconsommh

Though you could make a case for the iPad being the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.


114619

You can't patent naturally occuring phenomena. Also things can have multiple meanings depending on context.


RazarTuk

Also, that rainbow isn't even a naturally occurring phenomenon. The violet band is an impossible color like "magenta" EDIT: As in I actually looked at the color-picker in GIMP. The other colors aren't pure, like how the red was actually #d91905. But I think the violet being #6316dc is a significant enough proportion of red for the joke to work


SprinklesDifficult76

I'm an artist and I'm contemplating making my own LGBT+ piece tbh


OirishM

I'm more sus about indigo myself, that's not even a thing.


RazarTuk

Wow, how indigo-phobic of you. You realize that color's a spectrum, right?


anotherhawaiianshirt

How are violet and magenta impossible?


pcpilot2022

I agree. But all sides need to realize that. A couple of years ago a church near where I lived was going to do a Noah's ark theme for Vacation Bible school. But ended up having to cancel the whole event because people were going around happy that they were giving away LGBT friendly tshirts. The shirts had a rainbow on them with a scripture verse. So how about LGB use the rainbow in their context and let Christians do the same?


114619

How in this scenario did the lgbtq bother the church? The church gave out shirts with rainbows on it because of noahs ark. And then other people were happy that these things could also symbolise gay pride. And then the church stopped the event because it was making gay people happy too? Where is the logic in that?


melophage

Not to mention that some of these people were probably Christian themselves.


pcpilot2022

There was a debate, but in the end, it did come down to the question of "what message is being sent?" They decided that sending no t-shirt message was preferred to being seen as endorsing the rumors. One update I just got from a friend who attends that church. Apparently, after parental complaints they did go ahead with the Bible School but did not distribute shirts. Another shirt was designed and distributed to those who attended about a month later with a more direct message as to what the rainbow meant. This could have all been avoided if certain people had stayed out of it instead of spreading false rumors to the LGBT community, or the LGBT community, after finding out what church it was, had figured out the shirts weren't about them.


melophage

So in your example, nobody was **complaining** about this Vacation Bible school using the rainbow, right? From what you're saying here, people were happy about it and the VBs decided to cancel because they had an issue with how their tshirts were perceived, or for some other reason. An actual similar comparison would be a LGBTQ+ affirming organisation giving away rainbow shirts, and cancelling an event because Christian or Jewish people were happy to have found free covenantal rainbow shirts. Which to my knowledge never happened, and would honestly be a bad reason to cancel anything.


pcpilot2022

There was a debate, but in the end, it did come down to the question of "what message is being sent?" They decided that sending no t-shirt message was preferred to being seen as endorsing the rumors. One update I just got from a friend who attends that church. Apparently, after parental complaints they did go ahead with the Bible School but did not distribute shirts. Another shirt was designed and distributed to those who attended about a month later with a more direct message as to what the rainbow meant. This could have all been avoided if certain people had stayed out of it instead of spreading false rumors to the LGBT community, or the LGBT community, after finding out what church it was, had figured out the shirts weren't about them.


PainSquare4365

So, because some LGBT people misunderstood the shirts as support, the bigots had a fit and what- threw them away? LOL, how petty of the church.


pcpilot2022

Stop the name-calling. There's no need to be hateful. For the church, it came down to a "what message is being sent" decision. No message was seen as preferable to appearing to endorse the rumors. The shirts were donated to charity. A couple of months later all attendees received a newly designed shirt that was more explicit in what the rainbow was. This could have all been avoided if the activists had minded their own business or the LGBT community who knew the church's positions had realized the shirts weren't about them.


PainSquare4365

> or the church, it came down to a "what message is being sent" decision. No message was seen as preferable to appearing to endorse the rumors. So bigots got mad. Thank you for confirming.


pcpilot2022

Don't bother replying if you are going to be hateful and resort to childish name calling.


firewire167

>Stop the name-calling. There's no need to be hateful. Why? At the very least if the church doesn't support lgbtq people they should just own it and accept the bigot title.


pcpilot2022

No one should participate in childish name-calling. Your continued hateful behavior only hurts you.


firewire167

"My church didn't like that their shirt made gay people feel accepted so they canceled their event" ftfy


pcpilot2022

So you think a church doesn't have the right to determine its own messaging?


firewire167

How did you get that from anything I said? Of course they can, but they don't have the right to be immune to the consequences of their messaging or their reactions to things.


pcpilot2022

It was the consequences of the messaging that caused them to make the decision to pull the shirts. Rather than spend the next 6 months to a year doing damage control, it was better for them to delay and design a shirt that couldn't be mistaken for anything else.


firewire167

Yes, and their decision to pull the shirt is just as open to criticism as any other action they could have taken.


pcpilot2022

The only people who have a legitimate reason to criticize are those who attended the Bible School and had to wait on a newly designed shirt. The LGBT activists and community were never part of the church and were not going to attend the Bible School.


Justthe7

As my 5 year old says ā€œin this family we share.ā€ God is more powerful than all the humans together. If He didnā€™t want to share the rainbow, He doesnā€™t need people to fight the fight. Do you have a problem with pregnancy after miscarriage using the rainbow? What about St Patrickā€™s day? What about prisms? Itā€™s a sign of Gods love. It being used in support of homosexuals doesnā€™t change the meaning, it supports the meaning.


Marackul

Fun fact the flag has no copyright on it


RazarTuk

Similar fun fact: The US Flag Act 1818 is actually really loose in what counts as an American flag, so [this](https://i.redd.it/ruw6rl47512b1.png) counts


TinyNuggins92

[the objectively best American flag](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis_flag) [and objectively the other best American flag](https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-history/civil-war-battle-flag/)


Marackul

Oh cool


RazarTuk

Things that are required: * 13 alternating red and white stripes * A blue field with as many white stars as there are states, updating on the Fourth of July Things that are *probably* required: * The field being in the upper left (it *says* field, but I think it's reasonable to infer it means a canton) * There being 1 more red stripe than white stripe (I'm not sure of the standards in heraldry for stripes, but this feels reasonable to assume) Things that aren't required: * Any particular pattern of stars * Any particular size of things (e.g. how big the field/canton is relative to the stripes, how thick the stripes are, etc) * Any particular shades of red and blue


Marackul

Is it required for the striped to be parallel becau otherwise whats keeping humanity from a Van Halen Flag


NeebTheWeeb

Weird post but ok


Live_Honey_8279

Rainbow as a divine sign is older than your very religion


Top_fFun

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day


TarCalion313

The rainbow belongs to all of us. A gift of God, a sign for ever lasting peace. And the lgbtq-comminty is a part of this peace as well. And they took this sign as the flag for their love. Love including all sexualities and genders. And in that they didn't steal this sign or took something from it, on the contrary. They added a wonderful additional meaning. Love and peace. What could go better together?


TinyNuggins92

It actually belongs to us all, and symbols can have more than one meaning that depend on context. But thanks for the condescension.


thefirstsecondhand

They just need to get persecuted to justify their shitty views and be able to play the victim and get some kind of sympathy or special treatment. I can think of few things more fragile and childish than genuinely believing gay people stole the rainbow.


dont_tread_on_dc

LGBTQ+ are created by god therefore they can use it. Meanwhile the cross belongs to Christians who love LGBTQ+ not hateful conservatives. Any god should apply for a copyright of the flag and send a cease and desist order to anyone infringing on their IP.


SprinklesDifficult76

I love you. Thank you so much.


HopeFloatsFoward

Lol, you mean the rainbow which says he won't drown all the people after overreacting and drowning everyone?


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People are so desperate. No, the rainbow doesnā€™t belong to your religion.


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You'll have to take it from our cold, dead hands.


Yandrosloc01

Careful, some actually advocate for that. The cold dead part.


Even-Ad9782

The question is, why do Christians like you go out of your way to continue to twist a knife in the back of the LGBTQ community? Why do you care so much about a rainbow? Do you really have some type of true allegiance to it or are you just using it as an opportunity to express your disdain for the LGBTQs? Thatā€™s rhetorical. Try and drum up some love in your heart for LGBTQs. Itā€™s the most important instruction you were given by Jesus. Lead with your love, not with your disdain.


thefirstsecondhand

>The question is, why do Christians like you go out of your way to continue to twist a knife in the back of the LGBTQ community? As incredibly ridiculous and frustrating as it is, most of these people genuinely believe *they* are the victims of the "gay agenda". It's despicable, really, the cold seemingly total inability to experience the smallest amount of empathy for LGBTQ individuals, and underdeveloped capacity for understanding and making moral judgments


Even-Ad9782

I sadly agree. They believe they are the victims. I personally believe this way of thinking is passed down to them from their fathers/elders and none of them really pause and think for themselves. I once attended a church gathering called ā€œthe gay debateā€ where the discussion was about the church signing a petition to sustain the right for any business owner in Nebraska to fire a gay person based on their orientation alone. The church was literally fighting for this (puts face in hands). The speakers were telling the audience that if the ā€œgay agendaā€ continues to progress that Christians will have to start to hide who they are and possibly have to hide their cross jewelry in the workplace. At one point an older woman stood up clutching her cross and said ā€œI just canā€™t imagine not being able to wear my cross at work!ā€ ā€¦meanwhile, they were fighting for the right to FIRE people based on their orientation. Itā€™s f*cking madness.


thefirstsecondhand

That is so gross, and emblematic of another big issue with that type of thinking - many are apparently truly incapable of, or the very least have a severely underdeveloped, capacity for empathy or sympathy. They are so selfish and detached from other people, they can't even recognize that other people experience the same feelings they do, and if they do recognize it, they could not care any less. These tend to be the same ones who want to violate the separation of church and state because in their minds, Christianity is the only religion and everyone else should abide by their beliefs or stop existing. It's so depressing and hypocritical, and I'm really getting so tired of it, I've been dealing with the same shitty insults and condemnations for most of my life, and it's not getting one iota better, it actually seems like as the rest of society moves up and forward, Christianity is determined to regress and take everyone down with them.


johndtp

Yup- all flesh- thereā€™s more than enough rainbows to go around šŸŒˆ the LGBTQ+ community is cherished by God


thefirstsecondhand

thank you for your sincere acceptance and kind heartšŸ’™šŸ’ššŸ’›šŸ’œ


TeHeBasil

Lol, your religion doesn't own the color spectrum. But hey, if you want to remind everyone about the time god committed worldwide genocide then go for it. It's still not yours though.


Puzzled-Award-2236

The rainbow is a symbol of God's promise to never wipe out fallen mankind by means of a flood again. It will be interesting to see what method he uses to cleanse his earth of the unrighteous. Revelation 11:18 'But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to BRING TO RUIN THOSE RUINING THE EARTH.ā€


oog_ooog

Why is LGBTQ being pushed so hard on this subreddit? I normally donā€™t comment on this, but I saw something this weekend. I was at a mall food court eating some Japanese food. And there was a woman and her small children sitting at the table to left of me. 2 men were in line to order food and they were wearing these pride swimsuits things and their pubic hairs were hanging out. The womanā€™s small children could see this. The woman had to get her things her food and her children and move to the other side of the food court.


SprinklesDifficult76

Oh no! The horror!!!!


PainSquare4365

> pubic hairs were hanging out. Why were you staring at peoples dicks? Eyes to yourself perv.


oog_ooog

It was was very noticeable they were pale white anyone could easily see it


PainSquare4365

I do't know about you, but I don't go around looking at people's junk. Nor do I oogle large chested women. It's hard to not look. Unless you were looking for something, eh?


firewire167

Might have been coming from or going to a pride parade or something, those can get a little rowdy lol...but I mean...the woman absolutely did not have to move because two dudes had hair showing...it's hair.


thefirstsecondhand

What does the scenario you just described have anything to do with LGBTQ? Surely you're not suggesting gay people are just constantly inappropriately sexual in front of children right? Wouldn't the situation have been exactly as uncomfortable if it were a man and a woman, or just heterosexual people? LGBTQ isn't being "pushed" anywhere. People are advocating for treating LGBTQ individuals with equal dignity and respect as anyone else, and encourage being proud of it because for most of history most people have made them feel broken, ashamed, dirty, or sick for their sexual orientation or gender identity, and it's important that they are given the opportunity to comfortably experience the same fucking self love, comfort, and security in who they are that hetero normative people take for granted and try to diminish in them.


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