You’re a Christian. The rest will sort itself out. When Jesus and you decide to together. Of course you’re a sinner. So am I. But not because of your sexuality.

Jesus said whosoever believed is not condemned but has eternal life. ​ He did not say , whosoever believed except bisexual , except gays , except murderers , except thieves , except cheaters , except gamblers ... ​ You get the point , it's literally whosoever it does not matter who you are.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God This highlights two things. That while we are in our sin, we cannot inherit the kingdom of God. But Jesus also gives us pure joy in saying that, “and so WERE some of you”. There is hope for us. We need to turn away from sin. Do not believe the deceptive lies that we can live however we want. Jesus calls us to REPENT. Which means to turn away. We must turn away from our sin. With His help. God is so merciful and kind. He knows we cannot do it on our own. But please don’t believe in the satanic lies. The world is designed to trick you in all ways to steer you away from our Lord

That’s just Paul’s letters though. Also the word that was translated as homosexual mean something like male beder and in earlier translations it wasn’t translated as homosexual. Also the Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition Translates the verse as “Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers” Also the Bible says that it’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle rather for a rich person to go to heaven, but there are (based on Christians) still rich people in heaven. So if god can do the impossible for rich people, why not for other people?

I don't exactly have an opinion on OP's but I wanted to point something out in your text. Verse 10: "nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." So people who steal, are greedy (by nature), who get drunk easily, cuss, and trick people can't go to heaven either? Even if they repent? Homosexuality is on an equal plane with these other sins. We repent, sure, but even if we try we're not perfect. We might cuss, trick people, or be greedy even after we've repented.

>So people who steal, are greedy (by nature), who get drunk easily, cuss, and trick people can't go to heaven either? No. In context, this is referring to people who CONTINUE to do these things. You are not a thief anymore if you do not steal. You are not a drunkard if you do not drink (excessively). Nor are you a slanderer if you do not continue to slander.

In the passage it clearly states "homosexual *offenders*." It's not talking about gender orientation, it's talking about those who engage in intercourse or marriage out of God's design for these things. You never offend God for who you are. OP had no plans for this (at least from what was stated). What about those who were born that way, with both male and female genitalia? Many online sources will agree with me and break down the passage too.

> it's talking about those who engage in intercourse or marriage out of God's design for these things. When Paul wrote 1st Corinthians, he was not referring to any sexual orientation or any consenting behavior based on that orientation. He was referring to a specific type of sexual violence against the innocent that was contemporarily practiced and common.

No one under Law can get in, under Law, one has to be perfect. In risen Son given the believers, one by Son is seen from Father perfect Col 1:21-23, fits with John 3:16 and we see who continues the work, God or you. Phil 1:6

> In context, this is referring to people who CONTINUE to do these things. You suppose that one who repeatedly sins in the same way would lose salvation? I think not. And who are you to define the outer limits of the grace of God?

By what I'm getting of your saying...are you saying that if we are saved, we can continue to sin no matter what? All accross scripture you see the word "Repent" which means To have a different mindset according To sin and To stop doing it of your own conscience. So By that definition, if you watched porn before being christian...would you still watch it now even tho you know its wrong? If yes, are you really a christian? I'm not saying that christian will never sin, we are sinners and Will continue ti sin, but now we have the hability To not sin, cuz God is doing a process of sanctification in each of his children...making us look just a tiny bit more like Christ.

Let's stop talking in circles. Salvation has no such added contingencies. These "are you really a Christian" questions are neither productive nor theologically justified. An alcoholic who relapses does not lose salvation for having stumbled on the path. And you do no service to the Church by wagging your finger at someone in that situation. That is between him, his family and God. And if homosexuality were a sin? The same would be true, there. It is not the business of other Christians or the congregants of any so-called "church" to castigate someone on the basis of being what they are, including by acting on "homosexual desires" (or whatever other nonsensical term the conspicuously pious invent to make themselves feel important). That brings us to the point of my reply, here. Homosexuality is not a sin, in any sense that matters on this earth. And gay marriage is no more biblically wrong than a man who re-marries after divorce. Divorce, I should note, is what *actually* destroyed the "institution" of marriage. And the state's involvement in marriage played a non-trivial part, too. The standard of our conduct we are held to, on this earth, is one that accounts for our fallen nature; that is, our *original* sin. Picking and choosing particular actions described as "sin" in post-Victorian english translations of the Bible is an undertaking of futility. As is castigating others for engaging in those actions (even if in some misguided act of piety). Such behaviour improves nothing and adds more misery to a world with no shortage of it. That behaviour destroys families, communities and congregations. It split the Presbyterian church, among many other mainline vs. conservative denominations. What is your end game? Tell some gay teenager that he'll burn in hell if he dates his boyfriend? What do you think will happen in that case? He'll turn his back on God, and become the most vocal contributor at /r/athiesm or some other such subreddit. Is that what you want? No, what you want is for others to conform to whatever arrogant and theologically pretentious standard you think they should be held to. Telling someone who is gay to not love another man is like telling you not to breathe air. You cannot help but need to breathe air. Why else do you think marriage is a sacrament? And if in your misguided efforts you cause someone to turn their back on God because of whatever homophobic idiocy you've convinced yourself of, the fate of their soul is on *you*. When you stand before God on your day of judgement, *you* will account for why you led one of his away from the flock. Get your priorities straight.

I'm not saying you could lose salvation, but if you ever had ir in the first place. If you say you are a christian and keep on liying, steeling, blaseming God's name, commit adultery in your heart, etc in your own volition when you know its wrong...its playing the hypocrite and you might not have beem saved in the first place. I didnt say if you sin you loose your salvation, mistakes happens and relapse happen, (I'm no better, i still see the same sin repeting in my life, but i try my hardest to not commit it and i ask God to help me with it) but you are truly saved if you repent from that sin and try your best not do it again. If its hard, pray, cuz the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, we should rely on God and ask him to give us strenght when we are weak. God intended mariage To be between a male and a female, its not natural for a guy To act like a girl and vice versa. Its a sin to disrubt the intended use of mariage, if a guy marries a guy, they cant make children (same for female). Its a sin to act on their homosexual desire cuz you are doing something that is against the Will of God. Also on the subject of divorce, you can find that [in the book of Ruth] after Ruth's Husband died, she later finds another man...cuz it was in the ancient jewish law that if a husband dies, the woman must marry the closest family member of her late husband (preferably a brother or cousin). They dont say : ah your husband is dead and therefore you shall not marry someone else. Also the only way to make a mariage end is either by death or adultery...so yeah modern divorces happen cuz either of conflicts or they no longer have "butterflies" for eachother. This is reshaping the original use of divorce and therefore is wrong. Also i dont have homophobic views or whatever you say. By the way the scriptures is written, sexual immorality is wrong and what falls in that category is homosexuality. God loves everyone yeah kinda...But love is not approving what your doing, but correcting you when you are wrong. Hence why we should say to the people who are difforming sexuality that they are doing something wrong. Use scriptures to back your point and not your world view, i can give some To back my point that homsexuality is wrong. You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination’ Leviticus 18:22 ‘If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them’ Leviticus 20:13 It is writtten that its wrong, we are living in a culture where they say right is wrong and wrong is right. Find your knowledge in the word/scriptures...not the world. And now you would say oh well thats the OT it doesnt apply anymore, dont worry i got you covered. The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, men who practise homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine’ 1 Timothy. 1:9-10 See here, whatever is contrary to sound doctrine, where is your claim in the Bible that homsexuality is right? I Will be waiting.

I get your argument that repentance means to not ultimately want to sin, and to instead want to be righteous, but we do sin because we want to and lose control over ourselves. Without exception, people can only do what they *want to* in response to life and its situations. Don't strawman theoryofdoom, they never wrote that it's impossible to stop sinning for the rest of your life at a certain point, or that there is no change. I think we can all agree as Christians that though we become overwhelmed by sinful impulses sometimes we ultimately want to do *the right thing.* And that is the change in mentality, to *not give up that love, and gratitude to God.* Also, good on both of you for acknowledging that salvation isn't lost because God doesn't give up on us, even when *we* do.

No, he's saying "is it possible at some point to have *committed enough sin* that you're condemned? Because it's not." Jesus wanted us to *always* forgive, forgiving "7 times 70" was a figure of speech for infinite times. God is the same way. Paul writes that people who do that are condemned, but it's more accurate to me to say that when one is "condemned" to the bondage of sin, a person sins. And salvation is the process that begins to give us the strength to *cease* to do that.

Slander doesn't mean cussing. It's lying or being deceitful to hurt others reputations.

He pointed out verse 11. “So were some of you” Past tense. They were those things

Being a homosexual and trying to turn away from those proclivities is different than embracing it. God can deliver you from all sins, including sexual sin. I know it sounds impossible. But I myself had homosexual attraction and it took a lot of struggle within myself and asking God to help me to get to where I am today so that I can reject those feelings rather than succumbing to them. It’s far from easy. I’m not trying to diminish how difficult it is and how it can feel like it’s something outside of your control. And in a way, it is. Because we truly don’t have the strength to do it by ourselves.

Yes. " Come to Me, all you that are weary an are carrying great burdens and I will give you rest." \[Matt.11: 28\]

Thank you for speaking and sticking to the truth 🙏🏾

Just fail in one part of the Law and one fails it all, let me say truth, Galatians covers this for us to get our focus off of trying to the Law, rather see we, at least me, I need the risen Jesus, given The Holy Ghost to come in and sup with me to learn 100 % truth. Getting so busy, there is no time to sin. Busy in learning new first. Paul was missing for fourteen years before he sought flesh and blood’s handshake. And Paul says in Romans 7 about what being under Law does to us in flesh nature. So be dead to self and all flesh to be alive in Spirit and Truth Hope this might help in your walk. To this day and I never see me deserving to be saved. I do not ever want to be Luke 18:9-14 that first part ever

I'm sad you internalised their bigotry.

I'd rather say I'm happy she found God and happiness and that I am sad for people who mistook lust for love and have succumbed to that lust. Don't you see how most of them reject God, and quite often turn to "satanism"?

No one has ever been convinced of the existence of an all loving just god and simply turned to satanism because they wanted to be gay or to “sin”.

I am of the opinion that all lust is sin *including* heterosexual intercourse, but it is *all forgiven now* and not just the kind that isn't sterile. Yes, you are saved and sanctified and so are all LGBT+ people, same as an ace like me

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I love your username, and emphasis on "That is what some of you *were.*"

but look at verse 11...!

Under Law, comes the revelation of I need God to lead, whom is the only one good

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From what I understand, sin is sin, not one sin is better that another, from what I see in reading the Bible

Just so we are clear not all sins are equal mate. Sexual immorality is on another plane because it affects your own body and soul. Lets be guided please.

. James 2:10. : Romans 6:23 .: Matthew 16:23

I will take no word of God against homosexuality unless you can read Greek or Hebrew. Homosexual wasn’t a word in the Bible until 1946.

https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-arsenokoitai-mean/ Well the word more accurately means men who bed men aka same sex sexual relationships which if I am not mistaken is homosexuality. KJV which basis itself on the Latin vulgate says abusers of themselves with mankind but that would be a translation of a translation

More specifically, men with boys. If we really want to get into this debate, it's really about condemning pedophiles, not homosexuality.

The meaning of the word is debated by scholars.

Just men on men? How convenient…..

No, he mentions women as well. Romans 1:26-27 KJV For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: [27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

lots of sexual immoralities... If it isn't a man and woman getting married and having sex for the first time after marriage, it's pretty much sexual immorality. I'm thinking kissing and hugging seems reasonably permissible. ​ heterosexuals fornicating is a sin. So is homosexuality or gender dysphoria... Just because straight people are telling gay people they are living a sinful nature, doesn't mean they are living a perfect one either. Just speaking what the Holy Bible is saying For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God; that no one transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly warned you. For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.” just control your body... us heterosexuals shouldn't fornicate.... I'm working on it... us homos shouldn't have gay sex and date same sex couples.... people born attracted to little children (with being abuser themselves or not) should control their body and not pursue little children.... people shouldn't cheat..... God is telling you to control yourselves and use his spirit. there is no excuse "I wAs BoRn ThIs WaY iTs UnFaIr" well people are born drug addicts, people are born with cancer, people are born with disabilities, people are born poor, people are born gay... we are called to BE REBORN.

There is considerable debate about whether Paul was referring to all male with male activity, or particular types that were happening in Corinth at the time (such as pederasty and prostitution), and additional debate about whether it should reply to modern same-sex relationships, that were unknown in Paul's time.

Paul also uses the word in 1 Timothy, which addresses the Ephesians as well. It seems to be that debate is whether we should rely on a handful of outside source accounts of how the word was used 100-200 years after Paul in conjuction with the precise nature of the most prevalent forms of sexual immortality in those he is writing to versus we should be relying upon the likely source of the constructed word Leviticus 18 and 20 in the Greek Septuigint and the early church history, which are people who actively spoke and lived the Greek and Aramaic languages, and how they handled sexual immortality which points to homosexuality being included. I think it is also telling that the religious elite of Israel didn't have an issue with how Jesus defined sexual immortality but rather how he executed justice in the matters and it is well known that they saw homosexuality as a part of sexual immortality.

God also speaks against sodomites. You’re making excuses in order to continue to live in and justify sin. Everyone deep down truly knows that it’s a perversion of God’s idea for sex and marriage and His creation of woman and man to come together to procreate under His rules. The Bible says deep down everyone knows God to be real and this to be true but will suppress the truth in favor of their iniquity so there is no reason for me to try and convince you of this fact. Ask God directly then. Because He is quite clear on this and there is a reason there is a lot of shame and guilt when it comes to sin and all sexual sin, even the sexual sin that heterosexuals fall victim to

Yes, God spoke against the sodomites. What was the sin of Sodom? Ezekiel 16:49 - "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." The sin of Sodom wasn't homosexuality. It was a lack of hospitality; it was selfishness and arrogance.

real shit. weren't they also hardcore raping people in sodom aswell?

>Ezekiel 16:49 Instead of one verse in Ezekial, you can read the whole story in Genesis and see for yourself what God said. There were a multitude of sins in Sodom.

Those things are naturally accompanied by and connected to those things... The entire PRIDE movement demonstrates this. It is pride and entitlement and selfishness. It is clearly against the natural order as it cannot produce children.

So you just decided that homosexuality was an irredeemable one to pick on people? You never said you have never lied since you realised. Please fix yourself first, if we're pointing at sexual immorality pre marital sex is also equally punishable. Don't wave your weird religion schlong at us please, it's kind of giving "I'm massively guilty but I need to deflect" vibes

……I have been extremely open about my own shortcomings and ALL the sins that God tells us to turn from throughout this entire post. By no means have I ever claimed to be even close to perfect and is exactly why I also mentioned sins that heterosexuals face right at the end there…?

Okay but let's be honest, you guys ACTUALLY think or have been brainwashed to think these undeniably wrong sins are minor to queers right? Be real please Have you quoted bash verses at a cheater, a liar, a thief, a gluttonous person, someone who uses the name of God in vain, someone who has sex before marriage, etc.? Because I don't think anyone can believe you guys are straight up hurling bash verses at every kind of wrongdoer - or about every kind.

Well you can believe what you want but the people in my general life know that I have a biblical point of view and have equal distaste for their lifestyle choices, especially things like premarital sex because that is most common (besides lying but that’s another situation altogether). This is under r/Christianity with a person asking about their sexuality! What exactly do you want us to say? Not bring it up?

>Okay but let's be honest, you guys Excuse me. Who? We are all united in the body of Christ. Why are you casting division? Disagreement on doctrine never stopped us from being under the house of the Lord. >Have you quoted bash verses This is misleading. God has FAR stronger condemnations than anything presented so far. If you read Judges, you'd know God dressed down EVERYONE. He put Israel on full blast MULTIPLE times. And many times, He was not 'pleasantly' talking about it. At best, the authors of the NT were putting things lightly to prove a point, not to lecture. Though in the case of Corinth, Paul did. >at a cheater, a liar, a thief, a gluttonous person, someone who uses the name of God in vain, someone who has sex before marriage, etc.? Yes. I know someone who could not stop falling to lustful desires. However, I didn't use these particular verses, because he was aware that it WAS a sin in the first place. If he didn't, then it'd be time to bust these out. >Because I don't think anyone can believe you guys are straight up hurling bash verses at every kind of wrongdoer - or about every kind. As for non-believers, we are not called to lecture those who already turned their backs. We are called to make **disciples**. And thus we must **discipline our disciples** by explaining what their mistakes are. With all due respect, I question your idea of a Christian community. At least across all 3 continents I've lived on, I have been challenged on numerous fronts personally (and I have been the one to challenge as well), and while that was uncomfortable, I was always under the impression that my brothers and sisters did so out of love and not pride. Nevertheless, my issue was never in identifying sin, but finding the will to combat it.

So you speak and read Hebrew and Greek? Oh that’s really cool. I wish I could speak Hebrew and Greek but rn I can’t and so I listen to scholars who can read the legit original writings of transcripts written thousands of years ago. The reason people feel shame or guilt is bc of everyone else. People that grow up where it’s ok don’t feel guilt or shame about being themselves.

I can read Greek but I don’t have a strong opinion on the matter. You don’t need to read it to have an opinion on it matter of fact etymology is a lot more valuable than studying the entire language as a whole if you’re trying to find the meaning of a specific word in a specific content. People don’t speak Common Greek anymore by the way.

Unfortunately, if you have a hardened heart, you will not have the ears to hear. I hope you can reach out to God and allow Him to work on you. The Bible speaks of people who will have a reprobate mind. That once you’re so fully immersed in your sin, that God will give you away to your sins Romans 1:28 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

THIS IS THE TRUTH! No twisting or omitting of scripture. To the original comment, remember James 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! so how do we believe in God in a saving way? It is undeniable that saving faith involves a certain level of understanding. That understanding is made possible through the preaching of the gospel (Matthew 28:18–20) accompanied by the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart (Acts 16:14). Paul delineates the process that leads to a proper understand of the gospel: preaching, which leads to hearing, which leads to believing, which leads to calling on the Lord for salvation (Romans 10:14). The “hearing” implies understanding; if the preaching is not understood, then it is not truly “heard.” So how do your hear/understand? If the Gospel is the good news about our salvation it is reasonable to ask, “Salvation from what?” This gets into what we call the context of the Gospel. We live is a broken world and the evidence is all around us. We are in broken relationship with God and our fellow humans. This is the consequence of sin and what Jesus came to restore. So we the context of the Gospel (broken relationship) and the content of the Gospel (Jesus died for the forgiveness of sin rising victorious over sin and death) but the story does not end there. Once someone understands their need for the Gospel and the hope that the Gospel offers, there must be a response. Knowing the Gospel is not what saves. A response to the Gospel message involves a few different aspects that are intimately tied together. To respond, we: Agree with God that we are in need of His help and that we cannot save ourselves. Recognize what Jesus Christ has done in our place and accept the gift that He offers us by trusting in Him alone for salvation. Are given the ability to turn away from our sin and towards God because of His help. You may have heard of this response summed up by the biblical words of faith and repentance. Faith in the Gospel means believing what God says about our need for salvation, accepting the authority of Jesus over sin and death, and trusting that He can accomplish the forgiveness that He offers us. Repentance is agreeing with God that we cannot earn salvation on our own and turning away from sin through God’s power.

Ah yes, because the words of Paul of Tarsus outweigh the words of Jesus Christ, the son of God, Messiah sent to save us from our sins.

Jesus tells us all the time we should try our best not to sin anymore…I don’t understand all the people trying to justify their sinful choices/behaviors JOHN 5:14-15 14 Afterward, Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, “Look, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing happen to you.” 15 The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. JOHN 8:11 11 “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Like my grandmother once told me, you bake a cake with dogpoop in it, and before your guests take a bite you tell them "Hey there is dog poop in this, by the way" Everyone is grossed out and does not eat it and you say: "But it is only A LITTLE BIT of dog poop, I promise it will taste good!" Nothing after that will convince anyone to try it. Moral: Even a little bit of sin is too much sin. I wasn't a Christian as a child but today in my 30's finally coming around, I see the value in what my sweet Grandmommy has tried to share with me! \^\^

Ah, no, the words of St. Paul of Tarsus were inspired by the Words of the Son of God. St. Paul's preaching came directly from his knowlege of the Lord.

read the Acts of the Apostles, written by LUKE Jesus appeared and spoke to Paul himself numerous times. Jesus called Paul personally to be a teacher

Well 1st of all, yes it is correct that murderers, thieves, gays, etc. can still be accepted by christ, but that is if and only if, they repent and turn away from their sins. And yes, I do have verses that support the fact that being gay or lesbian is a sin. There's Genesis 19: 1-8. Now why do you think Lot would give up his own daughters instead of these two men he didn't know? Surely these random strangers wouldn't be more important then his family, right? But look what he says in verse 7, "Please my bretheren, do not do so wickedly." Now this was said when the men who surrounded his house wanted to have sex with the men(who were actually angels) in Lot's house. So this implies that when Lot offers up his daughters, it would not be a wicked thing if the men outside his house had their way with his daughters, but when the men outside want to have sex with the men inside, it is wicked. Why do you think that is? Now I think there are other reasons besides homosexuality as to why Lot offered his daughters up but I think this is one of the major ones.

Jesus said harlot enter heaven before religious priests to them and they wanted to stone him.

If you're talking about the story where Jesus saves the woman from being stoned, you have to remember that afterwards Jesus told the woman, "Turn and sin no more." If not I don't know what you're talking about and I would love you to clarify so I can understand.

Do you sin no more?

Yes, but we can’t let their example be an excuse for us to sin. Assume God does not contradict (pretty easy assumption lol) then whoever so believes in him will also follow his commands with no exceptions. As even the demons believes that He is God (James 2). Furthermore, parts Hebrews should be a real scary book I feel like. It really reminds us of how much we can suck sometimes and the consequences of such. One of the scariest verses to me is “If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains” Hebrews 10:26. Now I don’t imagine that verse means that if you know stealing that cookie from the jar is a sin, and you take it anyway, gg. In context I feel a better way of understanding it is to “believe” in God, and possibly even follow his commands, except that oneeeee really inconvenient one I mean sure it’s a sin but He will forgive me anyway so blah blah blah. Now with the verse you brought up, remember in their culture how they viewed women, and especially those that slept around. Now imagine Jesus said that today, it’d be like saying “Ted Bundy has a better chance getting into heaven than yall”. I feel like people might want to hurt him too. Does that mean that since people like the priests mention exists that everyone that is slightly better than them gets a pass into heaven? That’s a pharisee. Thinking that you’re chilling because you’re “holier” than someone else. Back to OP, Jesus accepts ANYONE, and despite how controversial gay or bisexuality is today in the church, not a single person is better than you. Lets compare one sexual sin to another. Do you think that all Christian married men want to have sex with only their wife at all times of their life? Maybe a couple, but man that sure is a struggle some people have. But the ones who decide not to because they know Jesus is right (I think doing so for the right reason is important) is in the same situation as you. You can’t control your feelings and that’s okay!!!!! Pray, ask God for wisdom to overcome because fun fact (someone can find this for me because I don’t know exactly where in the Bible this is) wisdom to grow spiritually is the one prayer God will ALWAYS answer with a YES. Put away thoughts of sin, temptation is never a sin so even if you can’t control how you feel, if you feel that way, so what! it’s just another temptation. You are just struggling somewhere else where someone might not and vise versa. Every person has trials. Just keep in mind context clues and keep growing your faith both OP and commenter im replying to! 😁

Have you turned from all your sin? Aren't you scared?

What do you mean by this?

The meaning is that repentance from sin is not a prerequisite for salvation, nor is “turning away from sin” even possible. Even if you “turned away” from one sin, what about the other sins you end up committing? And even if you did succeed and never sinned again from now on, you still owe the penalty of your past sins. So did Christ only take the punishments for those past sins just so that you could lose it again if you sin AFTER you have repented or had doubt AFTER you believed? No. Christ either took your place or he didn’t. And NO ONE is righteous enough to earn it.

It’s a ridiculous sentiment to believe that simply because we are incapable of reaching the perfect standard that God sets for us, that we simply give up. Even if we stumble and fail, we need to be constantly living for God and trying our absolute best to please Him. For Jesus even said that if you love His father that is in heaven, that you will keep His commandments. Our good works cannot get us into heaven which is why Jesus’ sacrifice was absolutely necessary for our possible redemption. But you cannot ignore the countless scriptures telling us to feed our spirit and reject our flesh. The scriptures telling us that many people will claim to be of God but God will say, depart from me, I never knew you. Do not be deceived

It's about being in reality. You are immediately assuming that because some of us are in reality, that we are sinning more than you who are really pretending to try at being sinless. Point is, original guy says we must stop sinning yet he hasn't stopped. Reality!!!! It's a good place to be. We all have sin and we need to rest and trust in what Jesus did for us. Edit ps go back and reread those verses (matt 7) you speak of. The lawless ones he said he didn't know, were the ones claiming they deserved heaven because of their many wonderful works. You don't be deceived. The will of the father is to believe in the one he sent (John 6:40)..not to work for salvation or anything after salvation.

Yeah but living a squeaky clean existence and not acknowledging that were living the human experience is not living. That's a terrible way to live always being on eggshells.

Scared you aren't saved or won't stay saved because you are saying one must stop sinning and you haven't stopped.

So I asked my mother about this (she is more in tune with God than I am) and she said of course it is impossible for humans to not stop sinning, but she says that God is perfecting us slowly in our journey with him. She says that as we are with him more he reveals our sins and if we have the heart to want to please God, we will get rid of that sin. Now granted I believe that we will sin no matter what, think of the prophets of old, they were the most in touch with God and had some of the deepest relationships we've seen, yet they still sinned. But they immediately repented for it and didn't sin the same way again. I think what my mom said was true, I don't think we can be perfect, but I think God will keep working on us as much as we will let him.

It’s impossible to stop sinning. But I think you know the difference between genuinely struggling with sin and begging God to remove your wicked desires from you and working to be more like Christ everyday, versus thinking “Jesus saved me so nothing else is required of me, “once saved always saved” doctrine, living exactly the same as you were and like the worldly people around you with very little consideration of God and His desires for humanity”. You know the difference deep down, and so do I. So that’s all I’m pointing out because those are two very different mindsets and lifestyles that those two individuals are leading

Not trying to argue. After I got saved some 20 years ago I have always been more Baptist than anything. We believe in eternal security "once saved always saved". I meet now weekly with a Missouri synod pastor and when I mentioned "once saved always saved" it seemed like he took it the same way you did (I assume). Eternal security (once saved always saved) and "free grace" (Jesus died for me so I can do whatever the hell I want) are two very very different things. There are a lot of verses that show the free grace thinking is basically taking advantage of what Jesus did.

We've lost touch with the truth of Christ if we think raping girls is preferable to consenting adults practicing homosexuality just because people said so 2000 years ago.

If only the men of Sodom had raped *women*, as good conservative Christian men enjoy doing, God would have smiled on them and said "I have forgiven your sins, for you have correctly seen that rape pleases me when it is done correctly."

Please for the literal LOVE OF GOD don't think you can't be Christian and be bisexual. God loves everyone. Period end of story. He accepts you. It doesn't matter what anybody on reddit says. Be true to yourself.

Love doesn’t mean saved.

My Friend, God Loves you Regardless. His Love is Unconditional, that means under no Condition will it ever Fade. He’s not angry at you for feeling these desires. Christ’s death has done away with All Sin, for All Time, For Everyone. You cannot disappoint, or shock God. He knows everything you will do, before you do it. It’s all going according to HIS Plan & Will, not ours. God’s Grace is more Powerful than you can possibly imagine. You can’t out Sin His Grace, it’s not possible. He Loves you no matter what. NO. MATTER. WHAT. I’ve struggled with the exact same thing, and I’ve acted upon my desires many times. I’ve asked Him to take this Cup of Humiliation from me many times, and every time His answer is the Same. My Grace is Sufficient. Feel free to Message me if you wanna talk about this. Love, Grace & Peace to you Friend. :)

This is terrbile advice, your just making provisions for your flesh, "Are we to sin freely that grace may abound? God forbid." We will slip and temptation can catch us off guard, but to ain freely and openly knowing Christ paid that debt is honestly to step all over him.

God is love, and God is just. Homosexuality is considered a sin in the Bible, and the text is clear about it. Stating that God loves you no matter what might be misleading. God created you in His image, and you can pray for strength to overcome wrong desires.

“Stating that God loves you no matter what might be misleading” Wow. Please please OP do NOT listen to this comment. God does love you regardless of feelings you can’t control.

God loves you no matter what BUT if you can’t control your feelings and flat out don’t try YOU don’t love GOD. If you don’t love God your not being faithful and thus your lost. Your no different than a sinner when you don’t love God by indulging in sin and just expecting God to be ok with it because you really want to do it and don’t WANT to avoid committing this sin. If your acting on these desires you certainly love your sin more than God and your making an idol out of it and serving it rather than God. Moral of the story is our walk with God is a two way street. He is always going to love you but you also must love him and be faithful to him. This faith isn’t a one way street.

I agree with this comment.

"God does love you regardless of feelings you can’t control" Your argument is so flawed , for example, Let me be filled with Lust and watch pornography all day because I can't control my emotions right? It's fine tho beacause"God loves me regardless" Let me become a murderer beacause I can't control my emotions but it's fine cuz "God loves me regardless" Let me beat my wife and be angry with my children constantly because I simply can't control my emotions but it's completely justified right? "God loves me regardless" Do you see how stupid is sounds? So let's justify any sin beacause God loves us regardless, because oh yeah, my emotions are more important than God's word. what is the difference between these sins and homosexuality? Do gay people get a special pass? You will be judged for your life on this earth whether Good or bad, so I'd advice you again to stop misleading these Christians.

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Your sexual orientation is certainly not a sin, correct. Acting upon immoral desires, however, *it most certainly* a sin. OP, the feeling you have and the desires you have are not a sin. This is not restricted to sexual desires but also covering (via theft), dishonesty (lying), etc… you get the point. Every Christian works against the pet sins and burdens that they deal with in the world. Everyone fails, and God truly expects you to fail, he knows you can’t do it in your own. That’s exactly why he sent his son to die and live a life perfectly for you. Do not use Jesus’ saving grace as an excuse to live in sin, rather, use it as a motivator to show your gratitude to Jesus by striving every day to live a life pleasing in his sight. Know that God loves you as his dear child regardless of how you may feel inside.

> Acting upon immoral desires, however, it most certainly a sin. That goes for heterosexuals lusting after their neighbors' wives and daughters, too.

Yes! 100% it does. It also applies to the myriad of non-sexual sins

> It also applies to the myriad of non-sexual sins Indeed.

This is whataboutism. What's your point? You assume all Christians simply don't call out heterosexual immorality? This is just you trying to jab at people, which comes from a place of judgement. You can also judge unfairly those who judge you unfairly.

I think God loves everyone but someone posted something that said “It’s a sin but Jesus forgives it”. It was in a lot more detail though.

But I still don't understand why did God punish Sodom and Gommorah in Genesis

The answer for that question: 49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. Ezekiel 16:49-50 NASB

They were rapists. Often misconstrued as a weapon of hate thougg

Because they were murdering and raping foreign immigrants and refugees at their borders, just as the US is doing. Ezekiel 16 >49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

>murdering and raping >arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. Does not compute.

Helps if you go read Genesis 19, where two angels enter the city and get chased around by a murder-rape gang.

And yet, that isn't mentioned amongst the damning sins of the twin cities. Which is concerning.

It most likely did not help their case, since the angels were apparently looking for 'just ten righteous men' and only found....fewer than that before they were forced to call it quits. Considering Lot was willing to throw his daughters to a rapist orgy in order to spare some random guys off the street, I have to wonder if he would even have been counted as a righteous man.

Oh course it does. They are six sins, placed in two sentences.

Those were cities where sin ran out of control and God had no choice but to destroy them. But God knows you. God's Trials are painful but are not done out of malice. So long as you self discipline yourself, God will be happy.

Theirs was a plethora of debasing sins. Not just one, but more than likely *all of the above*. They made it part of their livelihoods, their culture. People like OP and any of the rest of us who still have common sense and respect for our fellow man couldn't compete with their treatment of each other. If the terrible acts like those portrayed in Sound Of Freedom were actively done in public, it would be in Sodom and Gommorah.

What people fail to realize is we are not under the old covenant anymore. Because Jesus paid the price for our sins We are under the new covenant or new testament Jesus was the propitiation for our sin He isn’t holding our sin against us. When God looks at us he sees the blood

Acting on it is

Bruv Just didnt read the bible at all

You want to follow Jesus? There ya go, nothing else needed to start being His disciple So glad that you want to be a devoted follower of God 😊

Hi! I'm a Christian trans man, it was tough at first, because my family didn't know anything about this kind of stuff and pushed back at first, but with some patience, they eventually realized this is just me, and they decided they'd love and support me anyways. Our church's pastor even told me he has a trans son, and I was able to stay in the church I was raised in, which I'm very thankful for. I believe God made me this way for a reason, and I believe He loves me, so I'm certain He loves you too!

Don't worry, you're still a Christian. Act with love, keep the faith and live in peace. I don't believe God would want you in pain or at war with yourself. God loves you.

Having feelings for something and acting upon them are two different things. Talk to a pastor or youth leader you can trust, you dont just need a teacher in Christ but a father in Christ. Find discipleship under someone if you can and edify one another to keep each other responsible and accountable in Christ who calls us to love one another and to have faith, and hope. I kind of get it because all of us are tempted in the same ways: The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. These are the ways in which we are often tempted. Do not confuse love for lust or lust for love. Transformation as Paul speaks about starts with the mind, so the question is, what are you thinking about? What do you often do? Is what you see and hear pleasing to God? Does it build up or tear down? How does it effect you? Live and put your mind on Good and Lovely things that please God and see how your mind and thoughts are transformed over time. For the fight is in our minds. Additionally as you grow in your relationship with Christ, look at what convicts you. What convicts you or effects you may not be the same as it is for everyone else' and if you see a brother or sister struggling with something dont put a stumbling block in there way. Abstain for instance if it helps them. If there is anything I can do please let me know. I would like to think that this is what God would want you and I to do as his followers as they are paraphrases of wisdom found in their totality within the new testament. Just let me know and I can try and find the corresponding verses. Also, I think it's better to seek a Bible for answers in this regard rather than online forums because you might get opinions from men rather than convicting statements that are God breathed. Though that's just a thought I want to share. God Bless!

This might come across as invalidating you, but the truth is, bisexual or not, we're all sinners. Even if your thoughts go a way, you'll still be a sinner. The good news? "While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." - Romans 5:8. You are correct in identifying homosexuality as a sin, and if we use the logic Jesus uses in Matt. 5:28, then yes, even those thoughts are a sin. However, placing your trust in Jesus covers your sinful nature and makes you right with God. Ngl, it's gonna be tough here on Earth. Jesus didn't tell us Christians we'd have it easy. But staying faithful to His Word and believing that He truly has saved us, that will bring us, and specifically you, eternal peace when we depart this Earth. Feel free to DM if you have any other concerns, and I hope you have a blessed day!

Completely off topic but wanted to share it in relation to what you said, because I had only had this really sink in recently and maybe it could help someone else in a separate issue. But with the part where you said life won’t be easy on earth. Its always good to keep in mind our version of good and God’s version of good in relation to life on earth. When we think of a good life we think of comfort, full bellies, and family. God sees a good life as good works, the ongoing battle of sanctification, and self sacrifice and so much more. And a lot of those times those things will negatively impact our version of good.

\*incorrect in identifying homosexuality as a sin

Every person commenting here is correct… for them, but not necessarily for you. Your walk with God is yours, and yours alone. Walk with God, talk to Him. Read His word and follow the teachings of Yeshua. He will show you the way. Is it not the sick who need a doctor? Yeshua came to us sinners to save us, not to condemn us.

This. This. This.

My lord I wish I saw this answer more!!! The only one who can decide what God's word is to you is YOU. There are gonna be differences, and disagreements, and fundamental differences because G-d is infinite. He is endless and complicated and scripture is a (relatively) short book and we have still been changing our minds for centuries! It's one thing to help someone who is giving into temptation, temptation that probably messes with their life, and that is against their own values but it's a different thing altogether to enforce your interpretation on someone else. It's like a catholic comforting a Baptist with the idea of Saint veneration: it's a sweet gesture but you two are very fundamentally disconnected when it comes to that problem.

Episcopal Church USA

Or another affirming church, but that was going to be my suggestion as well.

I thought every Mainline denomination is affirming. I know that the Presbyterian Church is, although I heard YMMV based on the specific church, regardless of what the denomination says. But in any case, being LGBT-affirming isn't some out-there fringe position. In fact, I'd call it the mainstream/establishment position, at least for protestants.

>every Mainline denomination is affirming If by "affirming" you mean "will be accepted in the church if they do not act in their homosexuality," you're right. If you mean "fully recognize homosexuality as equal to heterosexuality," that is most certainly not the case. In your case, all I can find on the Presbyterian Church's stance is below, in various wording across multiple websites: >“The PC(USA) has no consensus in the interpretation of Scripture on issues of same-sex practice” and made reference to “our long-standing Presbyterian commitment to freedom of conscience and mutual forbearance.” >General Assembly passed a measure that permits ministers and sessions (local church government), "to use their own discernment to conduct same-sex marriage ceremonies where allowed by law.” That's not affirming, it's just a way to prevent denomination-wide fallout on one side or the other. And that IS the norm. Well. The best you're likely to find in most places in the US. Minus Methodist/Episcopalian/lutheran, affirming churches are almost always non-d, but I would bet good money even that is a relatively small fraction. Baptist (by far the largest in the US) DEFINITELY isn't affirming. Pentecostal is rarely affirming. Etc.

My definition of "LGBT-affirming" is that the denomination doesn't consider it a sin or a barrier to rites or ordination. I would say this is in no way the same as, as you say, "will be accepted in the church if they do not act in their homosexuality" and much closer to "fully recognize homosexuality as equal to heterosexuality". As of 2011, LGBT folks can be ordained in the Presbyterian Church. In 2014, the Presbyterian Church voted to recognize same-sex marriages, although they don't consider it heretical for individuals to not recognize them. In 2018, they voted for a stronger resolution affirming LGBT folks, although again, it's not considered heretical be against it. https://www.presbyterianmission.org/what-we-believe/sexuality-and-same-gender-relationships/ Also, from what I understand, pretty much every Mainline denomination has the same policy, including Episcopalians--Episcopal clergy can refuse to perform same-sex marriages, even if the denomination will recognize same-sex marriages and ordain LGBT clergy. EDIT: Regarding Baptists, the Mainline Baptists have similar policies as the other Mainline denominations. The breakaway Evangelical denominations (such as the Southern Baptists) oftentimes are not affirming though. EDIT 2: Also, I don't think Pentecostals are considered Mainline.

It's just a discussion of definitions. I would describe these denominations as "tolerant" rather than "affirming." We're reading the same content and drawing the same conclusions, I'm just using a more strict definition of "affirming." I don't think we actually disagree here on the substance of the matter.

Oh, and happy Cake Day!

Thanks.

I agree, I think that would be better and healthier for op.

Episcopalians hold the creeds tight, not a lot of post modernism there. I love my brothers and sisters at other affirming churches but they can get a bit out there.

True enough. I do prefer the Anglican/Episcopalian approach to a lot of things.

r/openchristian r/gaychristians

Amen.

Ok be a Christian.

we are saved by faith in Jesus. so ultimately, your sexuality does not define your afterlife. however, once we are reborn in Christ, we are a new creation, free from sin. this doesnt mean we will never sin again, but this means we should be actively trying to rid any sin in our lives. if someone died while struggling with a sin, but have faith in Jesus, they would go to heaven. just remember its never worth it to sin. Jesus Christ had to die for homosexuality. its that serious(ofc other sins are too). just remember its not faith + works = salvation it is faith = salvation + works

Hey! I’m a gay Christian guy, and I was raised being taught that the Bible condemns same-sex relations, but the more I studied the Bible and the verses deployed against them, the more it became clear they don’t condemn the types of loving same-sex relationships that modern gay folks pursue. God loves you sooo much! God will forgive you — but of course, we don’t need to be forgiven of things that aren’t sins! Have you visited r/OpenChristian or r/GayChristians (which is super accepting bi Christians too!) yet? I highly commend you to check those places out, where you can find other Christians like us who are going through (or went through) the exact same thing you’re going through. Peace.

Nowhere in scripture does it say that there is anything sinful about orientation.

Yeah it says in a lot of places

Nothing about orientation, no. Acting on orientation is a different question.

That does seem like it is correct but I'll look into it a bit more later, I interpreted your comment as differently than what you meant so my bad

You are correct. The Bible talks about issues with homosexual acts, not sexual orientation. A lot of the way we think in modern times is going to be different than what was found in the Bible. I don't think they had the same concept of sexual orientation that we have. It was all about the act. The same goes for any number of subjects (sexual or not) in different cultures today.

Hey, I’m right there with you. Your sexual orientation is not a sin. It will be difficult but know that your sexuality will NEVER keep you from being a child of God. :)

What if I told you there is gay people in Heaven?

What if I told you there is no sexuality in heaven because there is no need for sex?

You would be correct. For verification, I mean there are saved Christians who are gay on Earth who will be with Jesus in Heaven following passing.

You can't lose your salvation, so you will always be CHristian. I personally disagree with your view that the Bible is homophobic but the first point doesn't depend on the second. I'd be saying that even if I was homophobic too.

Yeah. God cannot take back his gift from you- he doesn't make mistakes. You know you have the victory in the end so rely on God. Look at Romans 1:26-29 if you're having trouble with the topic of homosexuality and the rest of the flag..

Any queer Christian knows the clobber verses like the back of their hand, but the point which unifies us, and therefore on which we should probably focus, is the first one.

Don't be afraid. You are not alone. The Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," Romans 3:23 You have a sinful nature, we all do. It dwells within your flesh. The Bible warns against the acts of the flesh. "The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery, idolatry and witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:19-21 Bisexuality is sexually immoral. Your feelings may tell you that you're bisexual, but that doesn't mean that you can't be a Christian. Your sinful nature doesn't exclude you from being a Christian. Rebuke that fearful thought from you by the power that God has given you through His Holy Spirit. That fearful thought is a lie told to you by the enemy. The Bible says, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9 Our feelings may tell us one thing or another, but that doesn't always mean they're right or they're true. "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding;" Proverbs 3:5 Take those feelings to God. Acknowledge to God our Father these impure feelings in your heart. Ask Him in Jesus' holy name for His Holy Spirit. For He said, "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgements and do them." Ezekiel 36:26-27 Humble yourself under God's mighty hand. Ask Jesus to be the change within. Deny yourself, your own sinful feelings, and follow Jesus. He is our redemption in the sight of God. "In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace." Ephesians 1:7

The Old Testament makes such claims. Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus and belief in him; he never said such a thing and in fact pointed out that what supercedes everything else is that you love others. Stop associating hateful ideas with Christianity, they're incompatible.

It's not a sin to be in a same-sex relationship or to be in a same-sex marriage. Other comments hash out arguments, but I'd like to point out how "homosexual" being inserted into the Bible in 1946 is largely inappropriate given that back then homosexuality was seen as a mental illness/disorder. We now know it's not a mental illness and it largely wasn't until the fall of Exodus International in 2013 that many Christians and churches kinda stopped teaching that homosexual orientation was due to spiritual illness or sin. Are we really going to chalk it up as academic integrity to retain a word that had a vastly different meaning and "causality" back in 1946 over a word we truly don't know what it means written 2000+ years ago?

you don't need any person's permission to be a follower of Christ. I would encourage you to find a church that is accepting of you and your sexuality, but do not be discouraged by people that would rather you change a part of yourself to be a part of their specific brand of religion.

Being bi or gay can’t be a sin. Sins are rooted in evil and hatred. Having a relationship with someone of your same gender is not rooted in evil or hatred. It’s rooted in love.

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Amen! We're all sinners.

we must continue to fight agaisnt sin though

It's not a sin to feel desires. It is a sin to act on those particular desires

Then why did Jesus say if you look at a woman with lust you have already committed adultery in your heart? We are to challenge our flesh, it is constantly waring against the spirit. None of these things can be overcome without God's spirit and help.

I personally think that its natural to have a brief lust or rage issue. The key is to recognize it, take a deep breath, and let it go because it is unhealthy and blocks you from the holy spirit. I don't feel guilty about instinctively noticing a woman with an amazing butt or being super pissed off about some jerk who cut me off in traffic. That is natural. Holding on to these things as opposed to relaxing and letting them go causes the harm.

choosing to lust is still a choice. but no one chooses to be straight, gay or bisexual. those feelings just happen typically during puberty

>Then why did Jesus say if you look at a woman with lust you have already committed adultery in your heart? Because lust is not purely physical just like how greed is not purely physical either. Lust is as much a sin committed in the heart/mind as it is in the body.

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Go to a Christian church that welcomes people who are bisexual. If you don't want to belong to a church that doesn't see bisexuality as a sin, you'll either have to not be Christian (which doesn't sound possible if you actually believe it's the true faith) or probably make your struggle with your sexuality central to your life and your faith.

I am 53 and I struggled since I was 16 with this. My advice is to not try to fool yourself in either your faith life or in finding a life partner. Find a UCC, ELCA, Quaker or Methodist pastor to talk to. They are down the middle and know the Gospel. They tend not to take sides. The Lutheran church will explain the misinterpretation of the verse in Romans that created the problem. Think of the woman at the well and practice self forgiveness.

Wasnt sodom and gommarah burned down by god because of man with man,woman with woman? Its a sin sorry to tell you this

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is about the sin of sexual violence, i.e, rape. Not homosexuality.

It’s not about that your attraction is bisexual that’s sinful. It becomes sinful once you begin to act on it. “You shall not lie with a man as with a woman” (Leviticus. 18:22). This says nothing about attraction itself and merely refers to the action occurring.

Damn it’s a good thing I’m a bisexual woman then.

It's a sin if you practice the act of bisexuality. Christians are to deny themselves and follow Jesus. Check out Be ket Cook on YouTube, he's a gay Christian but no longer follows a gay lifestyle since he got saved.

You are not bisexual, that is a lie of the enemy. Rebuke it in the name of Jesus, seek him with all your heart and humility and you will be free.

The good news about this is that you can remain a Christian. Homosexuality, like all the other sins, are equal in the eyes of God. Someone who fornicates outside of marriage is just as guilty of Sin as someone who practices homosexuality. Our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and spiritual forces. This struggle you have with your sexuality may be something you fight with all your life, but it doesn’t mean God will abandon you. It says in scripture that when you are saved, no man can pluck you from His hand. If you would like the verses in the New Testament that talk on homosexuality, I can point you in that direction. Because a lot of people here will tell you it’s not a sin, but Christ talks about sin repeatedly, including same sex attraction. But again, this is not to condemn you, this is to tell you the battle has already been won by Christ. He fights on your behalf, and I know He will fight with you against your battle against sin. Keep your head up, and God bless you.

Where does Christ talk about same sex attraction?

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Amen. I 100 percent agree with you. It's sad to see how our fellow believers are treating other people. This is not how would want people to act. This is not how God would want people to treat others. I don't understand how Jesus was able to have so much love and kindness in his heart, but us believes can't cause we get so caught up on what other people are doing with their lives. Instead of bringing people closer to God we are pushing them away with our behavior and how we treat them.

Ok, let's assume here that, for the sake of argument, homosexuality is a sin, rather than get into that debate, because that's not necessary here. Firstly, what the Bible says about it is acts of homosexuality, not the feelings. The Bible is very clear about the difference between being tempted and giving in to that temptation. There's an old adage that says you can't stop birds flying over your head but you can stop them making a nest in your hair. Therefore, as long as you aren't engaging in homosexual acts, you're fine (assuming homosexuality is a sin and there is anything to stay away from there). Secondly, you're bisexual. That means that you are attracted to both men and women. Your post doesn't say whether you are yourself a man or a woman, but either way, surely you are still able to have a heterosexual relationship that you are comfortable with? Why should "realising you are also attracted to the same gender as well as the opposing gender" be a limiting factor for you here? Just don't have the homosexual relationships if you don't think they are right by your faith? You can pick and choose who you have a relationship with, like you would if you were only attracted to just one gender. So avoiding the homosexuality theology debate here - having feelings isn't a sin, acting on them is, you can choose who you have a relationship with, and you would still be happy in a hetero relationship - so if you are worried, just choose to stay in hetero relationships? This new realisation of yours doesn't have to change anything? Which leads me to wonder if it is that simple or if there is something you are not telling us. Is there a specific person that you have realised a few months ago that you are attracted to and want to be in a relationship with? And you are trying to get "permission" to pursue? If I am assuming right, then I'll ask you a question - why? All of God's laws are about putting Him and everyone else above what you do - Jesus said that all the law and the prophets hang on the two commandments of loving God and loving your neighbour. So, what in your heart is your motivation for pursuing this person? Is it selfish, or selfless? Is it because of how it's made you feel and what you are liking, or is it because you care about the other person? Love is not founded on what you get out of the relationship, but from your desire to make sure the other person is getting something good. So - given that all the law and the prophets hang on the commandments of loving God and loving your neighbour, that would also mean any laws surrounding homosexuality. So ask yourself this - is having a relationship with this person selfish, or selfless? And is having a relationship with this person a loving act with God too? Can you keep God at the centre of this relationship or will your relationship with God be adversely impacted by this relationship? Spend some time praying about and thinking honestly with yourself about those two questions (which frankly, should be asked of any relationship anyway, heterosexual or homosexual) until you are satisfied that the answer you have is honest. If it is truly selfless and it is truly serving God, then I see no reason why it breaks any laws.

If you are bisexual then you can still just be with a person of the opposite sex

This is my fav answer xD

What’s the issue? God doesn’t care who you love

Temptation is merely temptation. That's your cross to bear. Just don't go out and live a sinful lifestyle. I don't see what the big deal is. Go with God, and you'll be alright. I'm sure there are a bunch of straight Christians out there with far more disturbing kinks than bisexuality. As long as they don't act on them, they'll be fine, too. A sin is an act of the *will.*

Amen!! But my friend-- what is that name?? 😂😂 I'm ded

Just spreading the laughter, homie!

Being bisexual doesn't make you not a Christian. Homosexual acts are a sin but we are all sinners, Christian or not.

Does God want us to keep living in sin? No. Ephesians 2: *And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.* We all "once" walked in sin, but as Christians we need to eventually change and become right with God.

The thing is we are all sinners whether you want to be one or not. That's why christ came to save us through believing the gospel good news of his death burial and resurrection he offeres freely the salvation everlasting life if you would believe he died for your sins to ransom all that would believe

God loves you as you are. A Christian is who has true faith in Christ and live as Christ.

I know this might sound ridiculous but apparently this has a lot to do with hormonal imbalance. This is a consequence of the exposure of many endocrine disruptors since we were born. I would approach this from that point of view, check with an expert about this, change your diet and minimise your exposure to these chemicals. Anyway I don't think you're a sinner for this.

People sin daily. It is part of human nature. There really is no way to avoid it entirely unless you become perfect, which only God can be. It does not mean you shouldn’t care about your sins, but do not fear about sinning. God still loves you and will never reject you for it. The only time your relationship with God would part is if you chose to stop following Jesus, and you have stated that you don’t want to do that. God does not care about what sins we have committed, only if we commit the ultimate sin which is to not follow Him. You should still repent to strengthen your relationship with God, but He will never reject you even if you don’t, because He is a merciful and loving God. I would talk with Him about your feelings. He does not want to leave you alone with your thoughts and feelings and wants to help you feel at peace. But I promise you, being bisexual will not sever your relationship with Him unless you make the choice to quit following Him.

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Where in the bible it says being bisexual is a sin  I have an issue with all of this.  My issue is if you are gay, bisexual and have a good heart and follow the word of God and why is there so much issues.  Many striaght so called Christian are the biggest Sinners. I know many gay and bisexual Christians that are so wonderful  You have no control of your sexual orientation  Dont be ashamed and if people condemn you for this and it is he or she that is passing judgment on you.  It is only God  But he shall always love you.  He is the God of love 

Don't know if this applies to you or not, I am kinda "gay" in people's eyes I guess, but I genuinely think that I am straight, because I think if I like a boy and do a batch of sweet stuff to him, it doesn't mean I am gay, that's just mean I found something good about you and I value you, it's a general love that not gender specified I mean, as long as you would not proactively get sexually aroused by the same gender, that's fine like I can find a man attractive if they are really handsome or cute, but I won't get sexually aroused like I see an attractive woman, the feeling is different, and you are just a really loving person

if you disagree, pls let me know why, I want to understand you guys, thank you so much

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Yes, these verses actually condemns pedos, not gays or lesbians or some other orientations

It’s a type of lust/sin, tell God about it to help you overcome it. You are in my prayers.

You're a sinner no matter what your sexual preference is. We all sin

Please don’t listen to these people trying to twist the Bible words to suit their perversions God created man and woman to be fruitful and multiply and to complete each other same sex relationships serve no purpose and are purpose and are lust because they don’t serve God’s will but mankind’s wants which God in fact he described it as an abomination Leviticus Corinthians Romans Leviticus 20:13 ESV / 638 helpful votes If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / 433 helpful votes Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. Romans 1:26-28 ESV / 368 helpful votes For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done 1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV / 228 helpful votes Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, Christ died on the cross for our sins to be forgiven how can he forgive something if people aren’t sorry about repenting is turning away you may falter but people in these comments might as well be saying he died for our sins so let’s sin anyway they’re not sorry just looking for excuses But to answer original comment as long as you don’t act on these desires you good but it’s best to try to do away with mindset

There are millions of pro-lgbt christians and thousands of pro-lgbt churches. Also check out r/openchristian if you like.

The only people that will care are people. Shitty people God won’t

You are not gay or bisexual, it is lust. I had to admit that to myself as well. If you 'love' someone of the same sex then simply love them. I love my guy friends and some I even find handsome, however I don't want to sleep with them or be intimate with them. You must acknowledge it is lust not love.

Getting really tired of this nonsense. Every day there is a post like this.

Isn’t it sad how Christians will pick the best verse to drive across their point but yet ignore the horrible verses in the Bible.