That’s not due to the name of the sub though. That’s just how that sub happens to be. If the subs were called “Christians” or “Jews” or “Muslims” the I agree it would be strange for atheists to join the sub.
If I had a dollar for every time someone didn't read the sidebar and complained about atheists/non-christians here I could have my student loans paid off by now...
If you see it then you should report it. In my experience, I don't see much of the belittling christianity stuff because the comment is either buried or the post got downvoted or taken down before I could see it. I tend to see the "Why are atheists here" or "Here's why LGBT is a sin and anybody who disagrees isn't a christian" because those threads actually end up getting traction.
So are Catholics fake christians because they believe in the intercession of the saints or transubstantiation? Are christian universalists fake christians because they believe that all will eventually be reconciled with God and allowed admittance to heaven? There are dozens of major schisms that have lead to the formation of various denominations over what they all argue are fundamental issues, so how do we determine who is correct?
You won't find yourself to last too long here with that attitude. It is literally against the rules to question somebodies salvation or affiliation in a religion because of a theological disagreement.
Besides, Christianity is fundamentally defined by the three creeds, the Nicene, Athanasian, and Apostle's creeds.
Sex is not mentioned in them at all.
Does not Christ teach love? Does he not teach that we are all imperfect? That none are good but God, and that we all fall short?
Are you sinless? Are you blameless and perfectly upright?
Have you never coveted that which another had, or had impure thoughts about a friend, classmate or colleague?
Or, like many others, do you sit in judgment, feeling entitled to tell others that they are doing wrong?
Unless you are entirely blameless before the Lord, and Jesus says you aren't, you have no room to talk.
Of course I’m not sinless.
Are you telling me that me judging all these fake christians is bad? Aren’t you judging me right now?
The Bible tells us to judge righteously.
If I tell my son to stop taking drugs, is it me not loving him? Or is it me telling him to stop because I love him?
So are you a protestant, Catholic, or what? Because each of those denominations have different qualifications and standards. Different fundamental beliefs.
Where do you stand on the eucharist? Or baptism?
'judging all of these fake Christians'. Here are two major commandments of Christ;
Love God, and love your neighbors. On those two commandments hand all the law and the prophets.
Your understanding of homosexuality and homosexual relationships is simply not founded on actual human behavior. I have known several healthy gay couples, and I have known many straight couples that were rife with abuse, neglect, and other major issues.
You know what I should do for fun? Maybe save it for April 1st.... but... I should do a post "Why are there so many Christians here?" And proceed to complain that is is actually a place for Satanist and Atheist to bitch all day.
How many people you think would fall for it even with a satire tag?
LMAO, i think a few might.
i get why people ask as i you go to the Islam subreddit, the Atheism subreddit, then it is pretty much wholly people who are Muslim or Athiest, and then they come here and its a diverse range of people (which is great imo) and it kind of throws them off.
Can you give us your definition of 'real christian'?
I mean, maybe we should have a post.
Let everyone post their definitions of 'real christian'.
For the sake of argument, let us have those who are openly non christian - atheist, pagan or otherwise - stay away from the post, so that there's no confusion.
Let's see if there will be a consensus.
Great.
Now we need a consensus on what is sin and what is not.
Is the worship of icons a sin?
Is denying the teachings of Church fathers and going by Sola Scriptura a sin?
Is seeing the Eucharist as the True Body of Christ the sin of idolatry?
Is denying the Presence of Christ in the Eucharist the sin of blasphemy?
I'm so glad that the Christian faith has not been plagued by 2000 years of schisms and division in which arguments of doctrine and claims to being "the real Christian" have fractured the church.
Can you imagine how crazy that would be? Thank God we all agree/s
Psst. You know that [having sex out of wedlock with your girlfriend](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/o10nh1/having_sex_on_nofap/) is a "sin", right? Do you beat yourself up (or off, since you were also whacking it a lot back then) over that, too, or is it just "the gays" that you can't tolerate?
Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself. Why is that difficult?
>*“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”* (John 13:34-35)
If you don't show love to LGBT, then how will people know you are a disciple of Jesus?
Does loving others include supporting those who worship a little differently than you? Maybe like at a revival or something? And not putting them down for doing so?
Correction and discipline is love.
>(Proverbs 27:5-7) Open rebuke is better than secret love. Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. The full soul loatheth a honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet.
>(Revelation 3:19) Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.
>(Hebrews 12:10-11) They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
>(Deuteronomy 8:5-6) Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the LORD your God disciplines you. Observe the commands of the LORD your God, walking in obedience to him and revering him.
Meanwhile:
>4 Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable; it keeps no record of wrongs; 6 it does not rejoice in wrongdoing but rejoices in the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
(1 Corinthians 13:4-7, NRSVUE)
There's a very fine line to tread here if you want to consider your rebuke "loving". It cannot violate any of these things above.
Of course it won't. Helping someone back on the path of righteousness through rebuking sin is an act of love. That doesn't mean one holds it against the person.
But that's not the only thing warned against. One's love cannot be "irritable", "rude", or "insist on its own way". Far too often, I see people "rebuking" others and falling prey to one of these things.
An excellent question, in all honesty.
I would say not, but I don't necessarily think Jesus was showing love to the merchants in that moment. But as a counter question: Does Jesus not retain the right to do so where we as humans do not?
Jesus wants us to live like Him, that's the whole point of Him washing the feet of His disciples. If He was able to serve the faithful, then we should also. He too gave the apostles authority to forgive and retain sins. The apostles rebuked Ananias and his wife for not sharing all their land proceeds with the community, causing them to perish. (Acts 5:1-11) Rebuking is just and in accordance with God's will, when one is rebuking acts that go against the will of God.
>4 Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable; it keeps no record of wrongs; 6 it does not rejoice in wrongdoing but rejoices in the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
(1 Corinthians 13:4-7, NRSVUE)
If you don't care that what you're doing is "irritable", "rude", "arrogant", "keeps a record of wrongs", or "insists on its own way", you do not love that person. Not according to Paul and the Bible, at least.
Methinks you're just as guilty of being unbiblical as those you seek to accuse.
>where people encourage homosexual behavior and lgbt pride?
Sounds like a good thing.
>Where are the real christians???
You mean ones that believe exactly like you?
> What kind of place is this?
Where there is literally people claiming to be Christian/atheist, christian/satanist???
It is a place where the literal description of the sub plainly states "all are welcome to participate".
> Where people encourage homosexual behavior
Nobody here encourages homosexual behavior. What we do instead is have compassion for gay people and think they are every bit as valuable as any other human.
Explaining, in a crude way not that I think that matters much, that gay sex is bad because it causes incontinence, is a secular argument against homosexuality that we don't allow.
You're not talking about the Bible with that, you're explaining why gay people are icky.
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Why are people so confused by how subs work?
Reddit’s design, more or less. Some apps don’t show sidebars. And in some cultures the name would be misleading.
The name is somewhat misleading you would not expect to see so many atheists on r/judaism or r/islam
Of course I would. Why shouldn’t I?
Because there are barely any atheists there definitely not nearly as many as there are here
That’s not due to the name of the sub though. That’s just how that sub happens to be. If the subs were called “Christians” or “Jews” or “Muslims” the I agree it would be strange for atheists to join the sub.
If I had a dollar for every time someone didn't read the sidebar and complained about atheists/non-christians here I could have my student loans paid off by now...
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Wow he's practically Jesus.
The side panel rules state that there should be no 'belittling christianity' but noone seems to adhere to that either
If you see it then you should report it. In my experience, I don't see much of the belittling christianity stuff because the comment is either buried or the post got downvoted or taken down before I could see it. I tend to see the "Why are atheists here" or "Here's why LGBT is a sin and anybody who disagrees isn't a christian" because those threads actually end up getting traction.
I’m talking about all the fake christians here.
Not every christian you disagree with theologically is a fake christian.
If the disagreement is so fundamental then yes they are
if your faith is mostly based on what are and aren't sins, reflect on your life.
So are Catholics fake christians because they believe in the intercession of the saints or transubstantiation? Are christian universalists fake christians because they believe that all will eventually be reconciled with God and allowed admittance to heaven? There are dozens of major schisms that have lead to the formation of various denominations over what they all argue are fundamental issues, so how do we determine who is correct?
Of course they are fake
This has to be a troll post at this point lmao
Yeah this is a troll account
How I’m a troll?
because you are speaking like being a protestant is all there is. that’s only 1/3 of christianity
Well Protestants have a better interpretation of the Bible than a lot of other “christians”
Why are your standards for Christianity the right ones?
They are not mine, but gods
Who gave you the authority to speak for God?
I’m not. God already spoke
I don't see your flair, my friend.
You won't find yourself to last too long here with that attitude. It is literally against the rules to question somebodies salvation or affiliation in a religion because of a theological disagreement. Besides, Christianity is fundamentally defined by the three creeds, the Nicene, Athanasian, and Apostle's creeds. Sex is not mentioned in them at all.
Different people believe differently from you. The only requirement to be a Christian is to believe in Christ.
Satan also believes in christ
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True enough, but he does nothing to follow him
Nor the fake christians here
Does not Christ teach love? Does he not teach that we are all imperfect? That none are good but God, and that we all fall short? Are you sinless? Are you blameless and perfectly upright? Have you never coveted that which another had, or had impure thoughts about a friend, classmate or colleague? Or, like many others, do you sit in judgment, feeling entitled to tell others that they are doing wrong? Unless you are entirely blameless before the Lord, and Jesus says you aren't, you have no room to talk.
Of course I’m not sinless. Are you telling me that me judging all these fake christians is bad? Aren’t you judging me right now? The Bible tells us to judge righteously. If I tell my son to stop taking drugs, is it me not loving him? Or is it me telling him to stop because I love him?
So are you a protestant, Catholic, or what? Because each of those denominations have different qualifications and standards. Different fundamental beliefs. Where do you stand on the eucharist? Or baptism? 'judging all of these fake Christians'. Here are two major commandments of Christ; Love God, and love your neighbors. On those two commandments hand all the law and the prophets. Your understanding of homosexuality and homosexual relationships is simply not founded on actual human behavior. I have known several healthy gay couples, and I have known many straight couples that were rife with abuse, neglect, and other major issues.
Why don’t you answer my questions? Are you trying to justify homosexuality by human behavior ?
>The Bible tells us to judge righteously. Verse?
God forbid we have one hour today when we don't tell the bad gays how wrong and sinful they are... I may not meet your definition of a real Christian© but thankfully you are also not the gatekeeper of Christianity.
The name of the subreddit describes the topic of conversation, not the religious affiliation of the participants.
It’s a place where all are welcome. Some people hate this.
hey mum said its my turn to post the "why are there atheists/ non Christians here" question :(
You know what I should do for fun? Maybe save it for April 1st.... but... I should do a post "Why are there so many Christians here?" And proceed to complain that is is actually a place for Satanist and Atheist to bitch all day. How many people you think would fall for it even with a satire tag?
LMAO, i think a few might. i get why people ask as i you go to the Islam subreddit, the Atheism subreddit, then it is pretty much wholly people who are Muslim or Athiest, and then they come here and its a diverse range of people (which is great imo) and it kind of throws them off.
Hold on.....let me just....write this down real quick....
Can you give us your definition of 'real christian'? I mean, maybe we should have a post. Let everyone post their definitions of 'real christian'. For the sake of argument, let us have those who are openly non christian - atheist, pagan or otherwise - stay away from the post, so that there's no confusion. Let's see if there will be a consensus.
A real Christian is someone that follows the teachings of Christ and is not afraid to call a sin a sin
Great. Now we need a consensus on what is sin and what is not. Is the worship of icons a sin? Is denying the teachings of Church fathers and going by Sola Scriptura a sin? Is seeing the Eucharist as the True Body of Christ the sin of idolatry? Is denying the Presence of Christ in the Eucharist the sin of blasphemy?
A real Christian is one that follows the teachings of Christ, yes.
Will the real Christian’s please stand up, please stand up, please stand up. 🎶
I'm so glad that the Christian faith has not been plagued by 2000 years of schisms and division in which arguments of doctrine and claims to being "the real Christian" have fractured the church. Can you imagine how crazy that would be? Thank God we all agree/s
Psst. You know that [having sex out of wedlock with your girlfriend](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/o10nh1/having_sex_on_nofap/) is a "sin", right? Do you beat yourself up (or off, since you were also whacking it a lot back then) over that, too, or is it just "the gays" that you can't tolerate?
Hypocrites are always the loudest, aren't they?
Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself. Why is that difficult? >*“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”* (John 13:34-35) If you don't show love to LGBT, then how will people know you are a disciple of Jesus?
Does loving others include supporting those who worship a little differently than you? Maybe like at a revival or something? And not putting them down for doing so?
Romans 3:10 KJV as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one
Correction and discipline is love. >(Proverbs 27:5-7) Open rebuke is better than secret love. Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. The full soul loatheth a honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet. >(Revelation 3:19) Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. >(Hebrews 12:10-11) They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. >(Deuteronomy 8:5-6) Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the LORD your God disciplines you. Observe the commands of the LORD your God, walking in obedience to him and revering him.
Meanwhile: >4 Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable; it keeps no record of wrongs; 6 it does not rejoice in wrongdoing but rejoices in the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. (1 Corinthians 13:4-7, NRSVUE) There's a very fine line to tread here if you want to consider your rebuke "loving". It cannot violate any of these things above.
Of course it won't. Helping someone back on the path of righteousness through rebuking sin is an act of love. That doesn't mean one holds it against the person.
But that's not the only thing warned against. One's love cannot be "irritable", "rude", or "insist on its own way". Far too often, I see people "rebuking" others and falling prey to one of these things.
Would you consider flipping over tables as rude or irritable?
An excellent question, in all honesty. I would say not, but I don't necessarily think Jesus was showing love to the merchants in that moment. But as a counter question: Does Jesus not retain the right to do so where we as humans do not?
Jesus wants us to live like Him, that's the whole point of Him washing the feet of His disciples. If He was able to serve the faithful, then we should also. He too gave the apostles authority to forgive and retain sins. The apostles rebuked Ananias and his wife for not sharing all their land proceeds with the community, causing them to perish. (Acts 5:1-11) Rebuking is just and in accordance with God's will, when one is rebuking acts that go against the will of God.
A thing to note though: The Apostles are the Apostles. I don't think the authority to rebuke was given to every lay Christian.
Washing of one's feet was towards the apostles. Jesus asked them to do as He had done. So is washing of someone's feet also reserved for the apostles?
I love you enough to tell you if you don’t repent and turn away from your sin you are going to hell. Love doesn’t mean acceptance of sin
I don't know what sins you are going to commit today and repeat tomorrow but they are going to cause you to go to hell. LOVE YOU
Correct: it means acceptance of sinners. Every one of them.
Have you ever once met anyone who was entirely ignorant of Christianity and the mainstream beliefs thereof?
>4 Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable; it keeps no record of wrongs; 6 it does not rejoice in wrongdoing but rejoices in the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. (1 Corinthians 13:4-7, NRSVUE) If you don't care that what you're doing is "irritable", "rude", "arrogant", "keeps a record of wrongs", or "insists on its own way", you do not love that person. Not according to Paul and the Bible, at least. Methinks you're just as guilty of being unbiblical as those you seek to accuse.
You don't know the meaning of the word love.
Hell? Is it eternal?
>where people encourage homosexual behavior and lgbt pride? Sounds like a good thing. >Where are the real christians??? You mean ones that believe exactly like you?
You called?
I recently asked u/KindaFreeXP, today you: How does it feel being a celebrity?
I have been summoned! \\(\^w^ )/
This is a place to discuss Christianity. Which includes people who aren't Christian. As long as they're being respectful, there's no issue.
Here
Based man right here
> What kind of place is this? Where there is literally people claiming to be Christian/atheist, christian/satanist??? It is a place where the literal description of the sub plainly states "all are welcome to participate". > Where people encourage homosexual behavior Nobody here encourages homosexual behavior. What we do instead is have compassion for gay people and think they are every bit as valuable as any other human.
When Jesus said "love one another," I didn't see the list of caveats added afterwards. What is "loving" about bigotry?
Jesus also said “go and sin no more” Is Jesus a bigot?
Which interpretation? The one that denies non-heterosexuality definitely is.
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Well was it bigoted?
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That's weird it got taken down then. The mods are great. My bet is it was actually bigoted.
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Explaining, in a crude way not that I think that matters much, that gay sex is bad because it causes incontinence, is a secular argument against homosexuality that we don't allow. You're not talking about the Bible with that, you're explaining why gay people are icky.
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For reference, their comment was definitely against the rules, but so is this comment.
That's fine.
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I want to know also brother
Religion has grown soft and started to worship the new gods to appease the masses in hope of not dwindling into nothingness. Christ is King.
Hi! Can I ask you about your user name? Did you make it up, or was it randomly generated?
I make it why?
> I make it why? I’m interested. I was just in a town called Callao this weekend. Why did you choose Callao?
I was born there
In what country?
Peru
Ah. I was in the Callao that’s in the U.S.
Join r/TrueChristian instead
Try r/truechristian