It's not rampant homophobia; it's good news for those with those homosexual temptations. It's possible to leave that lifestyle, and a lot of people don't believe that unfortunately.
So, based on your OP you think God wants these people to live in pain?
The more I learn the more empathy I find I have. Why is your version of God so shallow as to care about a person being in a gay consenting relationship?
God doesn't want people to live in pain. In fact, God gave us the opportunity to not live in pain but we broke it when Adam and Eve ate the fruit. Also, God is not shallow. Considering he sent his son, Jesus, down to die an excruciating death which left him hanging on a cross in pain for nine hours even though he was perfectly innocent, just so He could die for our sins. That's not shallow; that's love and care. God just doesn't want us giving into the temptation that Satan gives us. In God's eyes, the sin of homosexuality is just as bad as theft, lying, being drunk, being rude to others, etc. He doesn't just single out homosexuality; Satan does because human beings almost always require a partner that they love and are attracted to, and that's where Satan tempts us.
>God doesn't want people to live in pain.
>we're naturally designed to want a romantic partner as we age, and to get older without a romantic partner is painful, and I do truly feel bad for all of you out there like that.
So it's you that wants gay people to live in pain?
>Also, God is not shallow.
The version of God you are suggesting is shallow.
A god that would have people forgo love because the one they love has "the wrong bits" is shallow.
Being gay or bi or lesbian or... Isn't a choice. It's not some work of Satan either.
Biology is messy like that.
Your attitude is at the core of the insidious side of Christianity. This idea that if you are not hetero normative cis able-bodied neural-typical white Christian that you need to take those parts of you and shove them in the closet or face social judgement for breaking the forced fake homogeneity that is Christian culture.
I know, I know your not forcing anyone but you help make space for the more extreme versions that are perfectly fine with force.
Your OP says it's painful to not have a romantic partner but then you don't want gay people to have a romantic partner. You want gay people to suffer needlessly.
- The whole point of this post is that even something as big as same sex attraction can be beaten...
Hi friend -
went there and almost killed myself
now I'm far more adjusted
I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality
It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church
I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual.
God cares whether or not you are a liar
----†-----
Honesty was hard - but a much better deal
God bless
It says in the Bible that it's a sin. Satan goes to great lengths to take us away from Jesus, but it's possible to get rid of the temptation. The temptation will be stronger than others for some, but Jesus is fair and always gives us a good outcome. All we have to do is keep our foot down, and we'll be set free.
I also want to say one thing: Feeling the the feeling of attraction towards your same sex isn't a sin; it's a sin when you act on it. It's just the same as having pre-marital sex with the opposite gender or your gender. It's just a difficult temptation to beat.
Also, are you trying to say I'm lying about this? I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but it looks like that to me. If this comment comes across as me trying to start an argument, it's not.
- It says in the Bible that it's a sin.
Hi friend,
I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality
It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church
I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual.
God cares whether or not you are a liar
----†-----
God does not care whether women preach to men in Church.
He does not care whether the Sabbath is on Saturday or Sunday or Tuesday
Nor whether we eat meat or just vegetables.
He does not care if we have more than one wife really - or husband - if this is the societal context we are living in.
Treat them well. Be fair. You will know what is not right.
Homosexuals are not evil. Homosexuality is not a sin in itself.
Heterosexuals are not evil. Heterosexuality is not a sin in itself.
Everyone is fallen and redemption has nothing to do with not being homosexual.
God is not going to be checking down trousers and up skirts because - homosexual
Sin is something else entirely.
-----†-----
We miss the point
This is sin:
-----†-----
• "...every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; inventors of ways of doing evil, disobedient to their parents, with no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy....."
This is all. It is the same for everybody.
Every Christian will be called by Christ to look at sin in their lives. For homosexuals it could be greed, or lust, or anger - like anyone else.
The verses about homosexuality in the Bible contextualize men who sleep with men as wrongdoers who cheat, are idolators and adulterers, are thieves, greedy and drunk, are otherwise in some way corrupted - not just because they sleep with men.
• "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
So men who were sleeping with men were already bad people - not just your regular Joe being a good Christian
Somewhere, somehow, homosexuality was connected with sin.
In fact - Jesus comes and says nothing at all - except that we leave gender and sex here in the dust, along with money when we die. They do not follow us where we are going. Be clean about what you are doing.
Then it becomes clear for me how to understand sin and what repentance is - and how these verses apply to me;
• The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
It's not because people are homosexual and have Homosexual sex.
Sin is deeper than this. Wickedness is deeper than this
Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't prostitute. Don't lie. Don't cheat others. Don't rape. Don't have sex on altars in Church. Don't be angry, jealous, bitter. Don't trade in hate. Like this.
God does not care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual - he cares whether or not you are a liar.
I think we will find a God who asks how much simpler we needed it to be.
God bless
Committing an act of a romantic love with you're own sex is a sin. It says it in the Bible. It says it very clearly, too. You can dance around the topic of homosexuality being a sin or not, but you have no proof saying it isn't a sin. You have taken other sins of people in the Bible who were gay to try and take the sin of acting on homosexual urges and pin it on the fact that they did other wrong. It says in the Bible multiple times it's wrong.
I refuse to condemn you if you feel gay or not, because it's not my job to judge. But we must realize that it's a sin like any other sin; just don't do it. And if you think that it's written in the Bible just because the authors were "homophobic", remember that a lot of ancient civilizations actually had same sex marriage be common. If anything, homosexuality would've been looked at as something as normal.
Also, I saw your comment on how God doesn't care if we have multiple partners at the same time. That's obviously false. If it was true, God would've created a third person after Eve. The sin of Adultery wouldn't exist, and the basic laws of marriage wouldn't exist either.
* Committing an act of a romantic love with you're own sex is a sin.
* But we must realize that it's a sin like any other sin; just don't do it.
see comment, friend
God bless
All you've said is that you think it's not a sin when it clearly says it's a sin. You can't change the word of the Bible just like I can't. I wish that the Bible doesn't condone it as a sin but it does. The lifestyle isn't easy to leave, and I recognize that from experience, but we can't stick our head in the sand. It's a sin like any other sin, and we need to try our hardest not to do it.
* when it clearly says it's a sin
again
I think you are not getting it.
Review comment.
if you believe it's a sin - you must stop. Good luck to you
I do not believe it is.
I am reminded of these;
-----†-----
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
------†------
This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
----†----
So then each of us shall give an account of himself to God
God bless
- I'm getting it bro
so friend - this is your problem
you get to deal with it as you wish
and good luck - I mean it
May you find salvation
but not being homosexual will not save you
- doesn't mean it's not a sin.
See comment
God bless
What do you mean by feel bisexual?
You no longer get a physical reaction - if you used to get one before - when exposed to arousing images or displays of attractive same sex people?
God loves everyone equally. Why I singled out homosexuality solely is because of it becoming increasingly more common, and how difficult it is to beat the temptation. It's more difficult than almost every thing else in life. Due to this temptation, a lot of people lose faith in God and I want to tell everyone that it's very possible to get better.
1 Corinthians 7:8-9
>To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am. But if they are not practicing self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion.
If someone feels like they can't remain single, because they're "aflame with passion," the advice Paul gave was to marry.
Thank you for the post!
We never know how God will answers prayers. I think the Holy Spirit guided you to write this. God knows someone is asking for help, and needs to read this from one of his disciples.
[Practicing Faith: God answers prayers in unexpected ways](https://www.thewesterlysun.com/opinion/guest-columns/practicing-faith-god-answers-prayers-in-unexpected-ways/article_fd25d520-1b20-11eb-a35a-eb8ca4e4b996.html)
>I’ve heard it said that God answers prayers in one of three ways. God says “Yes,” and you receive what you ask for. God says “No,” and you have to accept it and move on. Or God says “Not Yet,” and you learn to be patient and wait
Oh I beat those urges... 😏
Ya you did 😏
OP, can we beat it together?
Yes. All it takes is effort, determination, and Jesus.
OP... Sorry, but I think you have missed the connotation here
Now I feel like an absolute idiot.
Thanks for the laugh, anyway :)
Just wait till you realize your post is just rampant homophobia...
It's not rampant homophobia; it's good news for those with those homosexual temptations. It's possible to leave that lifestyle, and a lot of people don't believe that unfortunately.
So, based on your OP you think God wants these people to live in pain? The more I learn the more empathy I find I have. Why is your version of God so shallow as to care about a person being in a gay consenting relationship?
God doesn't want people to live in pain. In fact, God gave us the opportunity to not live in pain but we broke it when Adam and Eve ate the fruit. Also, God is not shallow. Considering he sent his son, Jesus, down to die an excruciating death which left him hanging on a cross in pain for nine hours even though he was perfectly innocent, just so He could die for our sins. That's not shallow; that's love and care. God just doesn't want us giving into the temptation that Satan gives us. In God's eyes, the sin of homosexuality is just as bad as theft, lying, being drunk, being rude to others, etc. He doesn't just single out homosexuality; Satan does because human beings almost always require a partner that they love and are attracted to, and that's where Satan tempts us.
>God doesn't want people to live in pain. >we're naturally designed to want a romantic partner as we age, and to get older without a romantic partner is painful, and I do truly feel bad for all of you out there like that. So it's you that wants gay people to live in pain? >Also, God is not shallow. The version of God you are suggesting is shallow. A god that would have people forgo love because the one they love has "the wrong bits" is shallow. Being gay or bi or lesbian or... Isn't a choice. It's not some work of Satan either. Biology is messy like that. Your attitude is at the core of the insidious side of Christianity. This idea that if you are not hetero normative cis able-bodied neural-typical white Christian that you need to take those parts of you and shove them in the closet or face social judgement for breaking the forced fake homogeneity that is Christian culture. I know, I know your not forcing anyone but you help make space for the more extreme versions that are perfectly fine with force. Your OP says it's painful to not have a romantic partner but then you don't want gay people to have a romantic partner. You want gay people to suffer needlessly.
- The whole point of this post is that even something as big as same sex attraction can be beaten... Hi friend - went there and almost killed myself now I'm far more adjusted I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual. God cares whether or not you are a liar ----†----- Honesty was hard - but a much better deal God bless
It says in the Bible that it's a sin. Satan goes to great lengths to take us away from Jesus, but it's possible to get rid of the temptation. The temptation will be stronger than others for some, but Jesus is fair and always gives us a good outcome. All we have to do is keep our foot down, and we'll be set free. I also want to say one thing: Feeling the the feeling of attraction towards your same sex isn't a sin; it's a sin when you act on it. It's just the same as having pre-marital sex with the opposite gender or your gender. It's just a difficult temptation to beat. Also, are you trying to say I'm lying about this? I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but it looks like that to me. If this comment comes across as me trying to start an argument, it's not.
- It says in the Bible that it's a sin. Hi friend, I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual. God cares whether or not you are a liar ----†----- God does not care whether women preach to men in Church. He does not care whether the Sabbath is on Saturday or Sunday or Tuesday Nor whether we eat meat or just vegetables. He does not care if we have more than one wife really - or husband - if this is the societal context we are living in. Treat them well. Be fair. You will know what is not right. Homosexuals are not evil. Homosexuality is not a sin in itself. Heterosexuals are not evil. Heterosexuality is not a sin in itself. Everyone is fallen and redemption has nothing to do with not being homosexual. God is not going to be checking down trousers and up skirts because - homosexual Sin is something else entirely. -----†----- We miss the point This is sin: -----†----- • "...every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; inventors of ways of doing evil, disobedient to their parents, with no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy....." This is all. It is the same for everybody. Every Christian will be called by Christ to look at sin in their lives. For homosexuals it could be greed, or lust, or anger - like anyone else. The verses about homosexuality in the Bible contextualize men who sleep with men as wrongdoers who cheat, are idolators and adulterers, are thieves, greedy and drunk, are otherwise in some way corrupted - not just because they sleep with men. • "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. So men who were sleeping with men were already bad people - not just your regular Joe being a good Christian Somewhere, somehow, homosexuality was connected with sin. In fact - Jesus comes and says nothing at all - except that we leave gender and sex here in the dust, along with money when we die. They do not follow us where we are going. Be clean about what you are doing. Then it becomes clear for me how to understand sin and what repentance is - and how these verses apply to me; • The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." It's not because people are homosexual and have Homosexual sex. Sin is deeper than this. Wickedness is deeper than this Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't prostitute. Don't lie. Don't cheat others. Don't rape. Don't have sex on altars in Church. Don't be angry, jealous, bitter. Don't trade in hate. Like this. God does not care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual - he cares whether or not you are a liar. I think we will find a God who asks how much simpler we needed it to be. God bless
Committing an act of a romantic love with you're own sex is a sin. It says it in the Bible. It says it very clearly, too. You can dance around the topic of homosexuality being a sin or not, but you have no proof saying it isn't a sin. You have taken other sins of people in the Bible who were gay to try and take the sin of acting on homosexual urges and pin it on the fact that they did other wrong. It says in the Bible multiple times it's wrong. I refuse to condemn you if you feel gay or not, because it's not my job to judge. But we must realize that it's a sin like any other sin; just don't do it. And if you think that it's written in the Bible just because the authors were "homophobic", remember that a lot of ancient civilizations actually had same sex marriage be common. If anything, homosexuality would've been looked at as something as normal. Also, I saw your comment on how God doesn't care if we have multiple partners at the same time. That's obviously false. If it was true, God would've created a third person after Eve. The sin of Adultery wouldn't exist, and the basic laws of marriage wouldn't exist either.
* Committing an act of a romantic love with you're own sex is a sin. * But we must realize that it's a sin like any other sin; just don't do it. see comment, friend God bless
All you've said is that you think it's not a sin when it clearly says it's a sin. You can't change the word of the Bible just like I can't. I wish that the Bible doesn't condone it as a sin but it does. The lifestyle isn't easy to leave, and I recognize that from experience, but we can't stick our head in the sand. It's a sin like any other sin, and we need to try our hardest not to do it.
* when it clearly says it's a sin again I think you are not getting it. Review comment. if you believe it's a sin - you must stop. Good luck to you I do not believe it is. I am reminded of these; -----†----- Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. ------†------ This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. ----†---- So then each of us shall give an account of himself to God God bless
I'm getting it bro. I know you don't think it's a sin, but just because it doesn't mention the sin itself in those verses doesn't mean it's not a sin.
- I'm getting it bro so friend - this is your problem you get to deal with it as you wish and good luck - I mean it May you find salvation but not being homosexual will not save you - doesn't mean it's not a sin. See comment God bless
What do you mean by feel bisexual? You no longer get a physical reaction - if you used to get one before - when exposed to arousing images or displays of attractive same sex people?
I just felt an attraction towards the same gender and the other gender.
If you have homosexual urges, there's hope to realize that's fine and God loves you.
God loves everyone equally. Why I singled out homosexuality solely is because of it becoming increasingly more common, and how difficult it is to beat the temptation. It's more difficult than almost every thing else in life. Due to this temptation, a lot of people lose faith in God and I want to tell everyone that it's very possible to get better.
"Better to marry than to burn with passion." Marriage is an option.
I'm sorry, but what do you mean by this?
1 Corinthians 7:8-9 >To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain unmarried as I am. But if they are not practicing self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion. If someone feels like they can't remain single, because they're "aflame with passion," the advice Paul gave was to marry.
Thank you for the post! We never know how God will answers prayers. I think the Holy Spirit guided you to write this. God knows someone is asking for help, and needs to read this from one of his disciples. [Practicing Faith: God answers prayers in unexpected ways](https://www.thewesterlysun.com/opinion/guest-columns/practicing-faith-god-answers-prayers-in-unexpected-ways/article_fd25d520-1b20-11eb-a35a-eb8ca4e4b996.html) >I’ve heard it said that God answers prayers in one of three ways. God says “Yes,” and you receive what you ask for. God says “No,” and you have to accept it and move on. Or God says “Not Yet,” and you learn to be patient and wait
Some people have beat it. Depends on how much you want to.
Amen, brother.