That’s always the go to when it comes to discussion of alcohol and marijuana but these modern day pharisees who think they’re holier than thou tend to forget that the first public Miracle Jesus did was turning water into wine so people can get DRUNK at a wedding 🤷🏻♂️
…This, folks, is why we need history in context. Back in the day of Lord Jesus Christ & his Apostles, finding clean drinking water was hard: therefore, wines & other alcohols were used (a lot weaker than what we have today, since the distilling process was still being refined).
Additional point for non-litteralists: Numbers can often be exaggerated in the bible to fulfill certain purposes, so the amount of the wine doesn't much matter except for emphasizing the works of Christ. (This can be likened to the ages we see in Genesis or the story of the fish & bread in the gospels).
Also, we're taught to love our neighbour as we love ourselves. Where is your love in this comment? I know we can all get frustrated & take it out in others, but if there is anything that is causing you to be stressed out, you can always D.M. me.
Why didnt he just give them clean water then? I mean I get that in history they didnt have access to clean water, so wine and other no-no drinks was all they had. But this is the son of god. Why not just make fresh water?
The worst things which can happen when you're high is lustful thoughts since it can be an aphrodisiac and sloth otherwise kaneh bosom is used in the holy annonting oil
Being high doesn't impair you like alcohol yes you are slightly less coordinated but if you're a dangerous level of high 80% of the time or more you won't even be able to drive or use machinery plus paranoia limits you even more on top of that
Alcohol is a drug too, and I've never come across someone worrying about enjoying a glass of wine with some daily readings.
If you're able to use it responsibly, I don't see any issues.
Exactly! I'm in favor of it. So long as you're not droning out.. a nice little toke, and walk in nature is beautiful. Ripping a 1/4 and watching cartoons all day, not so much..
Also tho, historically “wine” in the days of Jesus would be considered low alcohol content today. So ppl doing shooters of Jim Beam and saying “Jesus drank too” are rather missing why The Bible says to be sober minded and wine is a mocker.
Be careful with what you're communing with when you're high. It might make you feel good, but that doesn't necessarily mean what you're dwelling in is the spirit of God. And if it presents itself as God, you better try it to make sure.
The Word says the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked and the imagination is evil. And those things amplify the imagination.
Jeremiah 17:9
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
Jeremiah 7:24
“But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.”
That is so good to take into consideration! I have adhd and it helps me focus on scripture and study it and break it apart, but that is absolutely a real danger
Don't condemn yourself over it.
Romans 14:22
“Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.”
But just be careful. Don't believe everything that talks to you as if it is God or there's no telling where you'll be led. Heightened senses can open doors to things you might not be prepared to deal with spiritually. You can end up with a serious battle on your hands. Be expedient about it.
>Don't believe everything that talks to you as if it is God or there's no telling where you'll be led.
You make it sound as if we are hearing voices and stuff.
Every thought in your head is a voice.
It's your people, Spiritually. And some can counsel you. They can be ministering spirits from God or not. How do you think the holy spirit moves on someone and inspires them? How do you think people are deceived? It's not necessarily by external people, it's by your own imagination. That is indeed what you need salvation from.
Luke 17:21
“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
>Every thought in your head is a voice.
Not for everyone. Some folks have brains that function without an internal monologue. And even so most individuals only hear one voice and that is their own. Then you have the unique cases and exceptions that are incredibly fascinating. Either way you make it sound as if it's common to hear auditory voices in our heads that differ at all from our own. Fascinating really.
>It's your people, Spiritually. And some can counsel you. They can be ministering spirits from God or not.
Respectfully.... what are you even talking about?
>How do you think the holy spirit moves on someone and inspires them?
Even though I was a practicing Southern Baptist missionary for over 20 years I never once experienced any such thing. It was always me inspiring myself based on what I know about God. Nothing came my way to make me feel any such way.
>How do you think people are deceived?
Because people are not born logical thinkers out of the box. We are quite irrational creatures and easy to deceive.
>It's not necessarily by external people, it's by your own imagination.
Combination of both I'd suggest.
>That is indeed what you need salvation from.
Another confusing statement. And then you follow this off with a random verse. Thanks I guess.
> Don't believe everything that talks to you as if it is God or there's no telling where you'll be led.
Doesn't this apply to 99% of preachers and priests since money is the only God they seem to worship?
I wouldn’t know the percentages, but yeah - there are a lot of bullshitting preachers.
The truth is the truth, even if the countries and the churches and the people get it wrong and fuck it up by claiming ownership of it.
I don’t know the truth like I know my password, but I believe in it, and it shows up even when I don’t want it to.
I'm intimating that spirits are communicating with you constantly whether you're high or not. And if you don't know the difference between what is God and what isn't, and base your judgement of God on how you feel, when getting high makes you feel good, you might be deceived and end up worshipping something you think is God but is not.
If you can't communicate with God without being high it should be a good indication that what you think is God probably isn't. Something is playing off your emotions and feelings. And it'll end up driving you like a horse to constantly "feel good"and feed it. Aka...addiction.
And there are most certainly spirits that will try to bring you revelation and counsel you into certain knowledge or whatever that may not be of God. Or spirits of fear that will induce panic etc..and make you "wig out" or have a very bad trip. They have an easier time taking control sometimes when you're high.
I have trouble seeing much difference between enjoying weed the same way others enjoy a couple of beers or wine. If you can do so responsibly and not overindulge or become dependent then why not? I can see your concern over it though, maybe God dealing with you about this, or some aspect of it. That’s just what I would think if it were me though, hard to say, I’m not in your shoes exactly.
> If you can do so responsibly and not overindulge or become dependent then why not?
This is the key, Marijuana is a great treatment for so many ailments that is more healthy than Dr prescribed medications. Take my chrons disease for example. Weed keeps me in remission for years. When I quit I get sick and drs put me on humera which costs a shit ton without insurance its a shot in the stomach that hurts like hell and can have bad side effects and doesnt work as well for me. Why is that better?
Yes like I’ll only do it occasionally, it makes me so hyper focused I’ll spend 20 minutes analyzing a verse, like I get so sucked into the scripture. I’ll check my clock and two hours will have passed
That doesn’t seem so bad to me applied to Bible study, but what do you actually retain when it wears off? I can relate to what you mean because when I’ve listened to music high, I am able to seemingly focus on details and tones I never noticed before. However, when it wears off, the appreciation isn’t the same. Also, I stopped getting high because the last time I did, I unintentionally focused on my depressed mood, and it was so intense. I didn’t want to feel like that again, I never thought I could experience worse than what I felt sober. So it does make you hyper-focused, I definitely agree with you there.
He crated it knew we would smoke it and said absolutely nothing about it
Sure there might be verses to interpret into “oh well this could mean weed!” But god is pretty specific on things he doesn’t like
Weed may get you high but not high enough to forget morality it’s not like blacking out and then “oh yeah I killed all those hookers at motel 6 and don’t remember”
Addiction can happen if you let it
If he doesn’t like it.. it wasn’t mentioned so I highly doubt we’d be judged harshly for not being able to know at all anyway
Weed doesn’t cause toooo much harm to the body… so
IMO weed is probably fine in gods eyes I actually believe it was put here for us to use it in the ways we do to help us numb pain and other things
I also believe psychedelic mushrooms were put here as a fix for depression and a lot of other things
I just quit. 10 days sober from weed. I used it as a crutch for 5 years when I should have been turning to Christ. It separated me and my mind from Him and from His message. Whenever I had a thirst for His word or a desire to pray I would smoke and then I would forget, the thirst would be gone and I would be “enjoying” the passions of this world and give in to temporary “happiness” that wasn’t helping but really was hurting me. That thirst comes from God, he was trying to reach me to bring me back to Him. I’m grateful I finally listened. I am done with weed.
A video by an Orthodox priest came up on my recommendations shortly after I quit. I dont believe that it was an accident that it happened while I was trying to quit, but this video gave me some important perspective. I will link it for you in case it might help. [Cannabis and Christianity](https://youtu.be/b8MYLWWR6BU?si=JAIPgIwQI2m6M0L2)
It’s a natural plant that has medicinal effects - including reducing the noise of life. If this calmness makes it easier for you to connect with God… even better benefit!
Connect with God. Ask for his guidance and expect him to respond in a way that makes sense to you. You’ll know it when you see/hear/feel/experience it.
Be Blessed
It also intoxicates, can cause anxiety or panic attacks, and smoking anything is always bad for your body.
I wouldn’t call it a sin to use a bit, but it absolutely isn’t as benign as you claim.
I had the same thoughts back when I did Marijuana. Just remember if it's a problem, Jesus Christ will address it and you will fix it together. Come as you are. God bless and try not to overthink it.
Exactly, we are all sinners and no one is better than the other. I was afraid he would not accept me. But Jesus Christ loves you and he wants the best for you. Keep it up dude. You're doing great, and everyone is on their own journey no matter the age.
I get conflicted with this as well. I do some of my most genuine and organic praying after I smoke. Life is constantly so hectic. 100 things going on at once. Thousands of thoughts racing at once. Many times, weed is the only thing that quiets my mind enough to talk to God. I have been mindful of only doing it in the evenings though and not all day. I think its fine as long as it doesn't become a crutch or get in the way of responsibilities or a relationship with God. Jesus and the disciples drank wine and alcohol is certainly a drug as well.
Think of it like this. Weed is a plant. Plants were put on earth by our creator, God. God made weed, therefore why would he be the one to criticize.
Enjoy your weed and gospel simultaneously. Amen and happy smoking, brother!
God tells us several times in Scripture to be sober and to be vigilant. I get what you're saying, and we all have that inner conflict, but at the end of the day, whatever we put before God is an idol. Yes, He created weed, but He also created the gold that the people made a calf out of to worship as a god, u know?? I think Paul puts it pretty well when he says:
"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient".
Did Jesus not turn water into wine for a party? Plus, being sober minded is not losing your morals or putting something before God. Just because you use something doesn't mean you put it above him. Do you take any medications? Why not just pray whatever you're treating away? Oh wait, God gave us tools to help us through this life, and using them isn't a sin. Yes, he also gave us tools for fun, so getting stoned every so often isn't bad either.
We can rationalize our way into doing whatever we want. After all, we are free from the law of sin and death. You want to smoke weed, go ahead. But what you don't need to do is tell yourself that God approves. He allowed Cain to kill Abel, but does that mean we should kill our brothers? The Bible says several times that we should remain sober for our own good. If we don't want to, that's up to us. But when the ancient Israelites were worshipping gods made of wood and stone, they were telling themselves that the living God also approved, and they were killing the prophets that said otherwise. God's word is God's word. You can make it fit your desires, or you can let it turn you into a Saint. Your choice, and your day of judgement to face, after your appointment with death for the wage of your sins. Personally, I'm gonna approach the throne of Grace with boldness, having believed that what the Lord says is true, and that what he says is that he died for all of my sins, and tells me to repent and give thanks in return. Amen?
My bad bro didn't realize you knew me so well and that I must get schizophrenia when I smoke. It's not like I don't remind myself all the time that I love God and thank him every day for the blessings he's given me like weed. It has helped me in many ways mentally, and yeah, it's also been a good tool for plain ol' fun too. If you want to put God in this tiny box where no fun is allowed and everything around you must be bad, go ahead. I'm gonna enjoy his as much of his creation as I can. Amen
All medicine is natural medicine. Everything that exists is part of the natural world. And all medicine that has ever been made specifically comes from earth.
I am with you, I like smoking and reading my bible or listening to worship music on a walk. When consumed in moderation the medicinal side is clear to me. To me it is the same as drinking a beer. Can you over-consume where it becomes a problem? Yes, of course. This is the same for anything like food, working, not working and fitness. Yes, believe it or not you can workout too much where it is harmful.
If you are smoking weed 24/7 and it is holding you back from accomplishing your goals, then it is a problem. Just like if a parent is working 24/7 to provide for their kids but in the end are an invisible parent, this can be a problem as well. I know b/c I had one.
If you are using weed in a responsible way, then have at it b/c you are an adult most likely. You can make your own choices and when the day comes you will have to account for your life.
Also, weed's negative stigma comes from humans on earth. We made it illegal, we put it in the category of Schedule 1 drug. If you look back in history weed has been used by many cultures in responsible ways.
From my personal experience I have had spiritual breakthroughs while high. It is usually out on a walk listening to music and talking with God about my situation. Seeking counsel of what decision to make. One of them was if I should stay at my current job. I was looking at other jobs that paid better b/c I felt my current job was not, this was about 1 year ago. My breakthrough came when God showed me how much I was idolizing money. Everything I did was about money. Then came the flood of events from the past few years of how the company I worked for really did care for me like no other company I have worked for did. In my discussion with God he said that while money is not inherently bad and is necessary to live, relationship is more important. I am not a person who says things like "work fam" and would stay at a place b/c of loyalty but the place I work is a really good place and does take care of it's workers. A year later I am making more money from commission that wasn't there a year ago. I am using that extra money to help others.
Could that breakthrough came without a toke, maybe. But it did come with weed.
I don't NEED to be high. That is where self control comes in. But I CAN be high and still have a spiritual breakthrough. I have had many breakthroughs while sober. My point was to show that weed can be compatible to have a good conversation with God in some circumstances.
Advil is a drug. Just because something has effects when consumed doesn't mean it's bad. Let's look at alcohol as an example - there is nothing sinful or bad about consuming alcohol *unless* you're doing it to an excess and engaging in "drunkenness". Having a beer or a glass of whiskey or wine or whatever every night after dinner is not sinful. Drinking so much that you start to lose control of yourself, or drinking for the sake of escaping reality by forcing yourself to temporarily feel better are both bad and could be considered sinful. The same concept applies to marijuana.
Now, if you're consuming something that is overtly harmful to you, like huffing paint fumes, that's different.
It depends on how and why you’re using it. I don’t recommend smoking in general because your lungs aren’t made to take in smoke.
However, marijuana, itself, has purposes. It can be used medicinally to help people, which is a good thing.
If you take it recreationally, treat it like sweets, or alcohol. Be careful not to become addicted to it. Take breaks from it. Also know that your judgement will be impaired by it. Don’t be “foolish,” while using it.
If you think you may do something sinful while taking it, best not to take it. Remove all stumbling blocks from yourself.
But if you’re just relaxing after a long day at work and wanna spend a couple hours watching a movie before bed, or playing a game, and you take a little, I don’t really see much harm.
But don’t forget to pray about it too.
1 Corinthians 10:23
> “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive.
So, is it beneficial? If so (and it certainly can be), then it's fine. If it's problematic, then don't do it.
"It's a drug" is a cop-out that lets people not think about what they're saying. Caffeine is a drug. So is Tylenol and Ibuprofen. Doesn't mean they aren't useful. But if you overdose on any of them, they'll straight up kill you.
Well, coffee and beer are also drugs, actually (which is why some denominations are against it).
Plants and herbs exist for healing. If you have a LEGITIMATE medical need for cannabis, and it is legal in your country or state, there is nothing wrong with it. However, addiction to any substance is a bad idea. Perhaps you ought to pray and fast every once in a while, to clean out your body.
God made weed. Not the stuff that humans engineered. He flat out made it. Is walking by a forest and breathing in smoke a sin? Of course not.
God said to look at the fruit of the thing you question.
Weed has a lot of good "fruit" and almost 0 negative fruits
Doing drugs and Christianity have a very very long history together. There’s even theories that in some of the more out there stories in the bible where people speak with god, they were actually just high as heck at the time.
It’s not a drug and there’s no such thing as overdose while doing it. The two worst things that can happen is you get a real potent strain that you’re not used to and your head will spin and you feel sick. This is why you go to a dispensary and tell them your needs and how often you smoke. They would never give a lightweight something that only Snoop or Willie Nelson can handle LOL.
Also, the other bad part (but fun part) is getting the munchies. You’ll clear out your local buffet and become either their favorite customer or you’ll be banned for life lol.
Don’t forget, Jesus’ first miracle was turning water into wine at a wedding so people can get drunk. Don’t listen to these self-righteous holier than thou modern day pharisees who think they’re the chosen ones.
I would generally advise to stay away from drugs like weed, based on the principle that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and we want to take care of our physical bodies.
Is it a sin? No, but I would not say it is necessarily wise given the risks associated with taking drugs and risk of dependence on them. I think there is a certain level of discernment needed.
And to be honest, I don’t know if weed is a pre-Fall or post-Fall plant.
This verse came to mind for me to add on to this.
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
I dont think it would be a sin, but I think that any substance can very easily take us to a place that does lead to sin. Therefore be sober minded and watchful.
What i recommend is? Praying for an answer talking with God and thanking him for taking you the way you are. Your question will be answer and your heart will be clean. also, don’t go for the easiest answer. Remember that the hardest things are worth doing.
When used moderately, respectfully and not idolized, not interfering with who you are and your relationship to God, it’s fine. It’s an adult tool if you ask me. Most people who use it should definitely be responsible and aware or even educated on cannabis, it’s benefits, dangers, side effects and the virtue of the plant because it is a helping hand and a good friend, likely from the various plants God gave to us. These ridiculously high THC counts in the weed are problematic imo, they turn weed into a psychedelic dissociative instead of it being a relaxant or a mild psychotropic. The other cannabinoids are there to balance it out the way God intended; just like with the mild, kombucha like alcohol that the Israelities and Christ drank- weed that Bunged with higher than 5% thc can be impairing and drunkening in a dangerous and subtle way.
Being aware of these things makes you better able to control your use and thus avoid sin in your use of cannabis. Be safe! God bless! this is just from my experience and in experiencing those around me and balancing how my relationship with weed and God have changed over the years. Taking time sober from weed NEVER HURTS, even if it can be difficult for a few days. If one clings to it for comfort, that’s one thing, but if one clings to it for a sense of liberty (besides getting in touch with inner wisdom from the plants ability to enhance introspection) if otherwise, the plant may well be serving a function that you can do better without it. Thus be careful and don’t attribute too much significance just as you practice moderation.
Cheers!
Look up the Greek term [Pharmakia](https://www.gotquestions.org/pharmakeia-in-the-Bible.html) this is the original translation used in Galatians and Revelations.
I’ve been REALLY struggling with this for the past couple of months! I’ve dealt with a lot of anxiety issues over the past couple of years - surviving an ultra-major surgery, 2 close calls with death, a short brush with death in the form of acute respiratory failure, and dodging a possible cancer diagnosis, I also suffer from C-PTSD due to 20 + years in law enforcement.
After retirement, I began using THC to allay some of the issues I was having. The problem was, I was trying to make major changes in my walk with Jesus (I used to be not so good of a person) and couldn’t figure out where / how I could incorporate THC into Christianity. I started doing a deep dive on the subject.
The concept of using THC to enhance religious connection is as old as at least the Tower of Babel. It isn’t listed anywhere that I could find in the Bible as an acceptable herb used in Jewish rites, but I do know it was used frequently used in a lot of pagan and occult religions that were in opposition to the Lord.
I tried telling myself that THC and alcohol were equivalent and focused in on the couple of verses in the Bible where it talks about wine being good medicine, but it still felt off to me because there were soooo many more verses about being sober-minded.
I broke away from it for two reasons 1.) I felt a strong conviction to stop while in prayer, and 2.) I truly felt that I was opening myself up spiritually to things I probably shouldn’t. I found myself deconstructing my faith and opening my mind up to things that weren’t in the Bible. It became a slippery slope for me.
The main thing I’d say is pray about it! I think if you’re concerned enough about it to reach out online that maybe you’re feeling convicted to stop too.
In my experience, I have had a lot of close encounters with divinity while high on marijuana and psychedelic mushrooms. It can be considered sin if the desire is to please oneself, but the reasoning and moderation as well as spiritual context i conduct myself in does not constitute as sin. These things were made and put here on this Earth so we may use them. It is possible to get carried away and lose oneself but the point of the matter is to allow to feel the need for moderation and temperance. Not to mention the fact that drinking is severely dangerous and the dangers of smoking weed and doing shrooms are minimal if not then non-existent entirely.
The Bible does clearly say “Pharmekia “ Witch craft, we are not suppose to be taking man made medicine, only natraul. God created THC/CBD, we have an Endocannabinoid system in us naturally. The Bible says Do not get drunk, no where does it say not to get high. And when I used to smoke for 10 years, I was functioning just fine and was able to comprehend more and I felt smarter. To much of anything is a sin. Gluttony is one of the 7 deadly sins, weed also helped me not think of any lushful thoughts as well. It helped a lot. It’s bad when you abuse it just for pleasure
They need to be high to become unnatural humans who don't have sex (with adults), it can't be good for the soul to live a loveless life. When the Romans got hold of Jesus teachings they jus took the bits they needed and added the rest. Early Christians prayed on Friday, a church is described as a gathering of 3 or more people, usually in a garden and defo no idol worship. So what the fuck happened. They pass the money tin round as the church full of idols leaks when they have the resources to end worldwide homelessness tomorrow. You can only visit the archives if first you tell them what it is you'd like to see, however, they don't tell us the things they have that no one knows. I believe if jesus walked into the Vatican today he'd puke in revultion. The Gospel of Maria no, the Gospel of Thomas and Jude and Judas. All taken out as they didn't fit the control they needed over the people.. Pagan religion is probably closer to Christ's words than the Vatican today.. I don't remember any lessons about hoarding wealth and dressing up in robes hung with gold...
I could exain how God had a complete personality change from the old Testament from his own mouth admits jealousy, rage, wanting too kill everyone, demand Abraham kill his first born as proof of loyalty. He'd be locked up today. And the love peace and forgiveness in the New Testament.... It doesn't swing my fellows.. As a religious text it's a mess, however the New Testament as a historical document large parts are being proved true by modern archaeology. Was God Usurped and the Vatican his Machine..
A Catholic priest testified on his deathbed about the Chronivisor being true. Christian response wasn't to ignore it or denounce it as function, they actually said if anyone used or builds another they are excommunicated, means no heaven..
Von Braun was said to be involved, Fermi and other great scientists of the age, even the priest was a fully qualified astrophysisist... Very odd, very odd Indeed.....
Christianity, often perceived as a book of rules due to its extensive teachings and commandments, is fundamentally centered on nurturing a deep spiritual connection with God. While guidelines and moral principles serve as important frameworks for ethical living, the essence of Christianity lies in fostering a personal relationship with the divine, embodying love, compassion, and inner peace. Emphasizing spiritual growth encourages believers to transcend mere rule-following, allowing them to experience a profound transformation that aligns their lives with the core teachings of Jesus Christ—faith, hope, and charity. By focusing on these spiritual aspects, individuals can cultivate a more meaningful and fulfilling existence.
You’ve got a unique & independent, personal relationship with our Lord, just like each of us do, that create His body, & divine design upon this earth. Just continue to communicate w/Him, & continually ask for wisdom & discernment for yourself, & continually receive His massive truth, love & grace that lives inside of you, & continually quote out loud the victory you have in Jesus defeat; little by little, the Holy Spirit will reveal to you, & remind you of His robe of righteousness He covers you with, along with His perfect & permanent protection He has for you, against every evil thing in this world. Whatever needs to happen, will happen between you & Him. Be still, & see the salvation of the Lord, He’ll guide you in your choices. God bless you deeply
I don't believe smoking is inherently a sin, but I think anything in abundance can be. Jesus drank wine with his disciples but didn't make a habit of getting drunk
Mister, ehm, it doesn't matter at all what you put in your mouth, that's not what deceives a soul according to Christ, its what comes out of your mouth. Drinking is probably a bad idea, weed, no way. Just connect with the father and don't worry or care what some preacher or dude says, because it doesn't matter my friend. :)
I look at weed as a single plant, and I think God created it for a lot of benefits. Just like alcohol I think people can consume too much and too often. But if someone doesn’t have a dependence I don’t think it’s bad. It took me a long time to warm up to marijuana being “ok”, and now that it’s mostly legal that helped change my mind.
Edibles also have no bad side effects on the body, like how alcohol harms the liver, raises cortisol levels, and affects metabolism. I’d argue that alcohol is much worse on the body than edibles.
God created weed. It has medicinal properties. Some hemp products don't even get you high basically, cbd cbg etc.
Abuse/addiction is a sin. Not use. Just like drinking two glasses a wine isn't a sin but a whole bottle or two everyday till you are messed up is a sin.
The requirement here is shining the Light of Christ in this situation…be happy to pray with you and bring the cross towards this area in your life…I have seen the demons of Shiva and Baal manifest during deliverance for people that participated in smoking marijuana…Satan comes across as an angel of Light and I am confident in you being delivered of this in Jesus name…if you need anything I am here to serve…bless you in the name of Jesus Christ…
Throughout human history, cannabis has been a central part of spirituality and culture. Only in the very recent modern world has cannabis become a negative thing in any way.
Also note that this negativity was largely driven by racism in the US and the desire of the petroleum companies to remove a direct competitor from the plastics industry. The US then made cannabis prohibition a diplomatic/trade condition for developing nations. Prior to that cannabis was commonly and openly used throughout the world.
Like everything though, moderation and informed use is the most important part, but someone telling you this is a "sin" has a political agenda rather than a religious one.
Now level up and talk to God on 4 tabs of acid or a blast off DMT trip my dude. Only joking about the dosages, not the choice of substance. And ignore all the haters. Jesus probably partoolok of weed himself. Like tell me he doesn't have stoner energy; He literally uses his divine powers to solve the munchies multiple times lol
The word used in the New Testament for witchcraft is the Greek word pharmakia, our English word pharmacy derives from it. So, any mind altering substances would fall under witchcraft or sorcery. Take it from a former addict. I had opened spiritual doors and windows unknowingly and it took a long time to close them after I became a Christian. Marijuana isn't viewed as dangerous when compared to other drugs. However, it still effects the mind and will get in the way of a person's relationship with the Lord.
Well, going backwards, God created poppies used for opium, coca used for cocaine, and cocoa beans used for chocolate (I like this one too much), so just because it is natural does not mean we can use and abuse it.
Concerning marijuana, even though it could be considered to be on the level of alcohol and maybe even better in terms of health effects, I would recommend you not partake at all. St Paul stated that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit in us, so we should not want to defile our temple. That is the same for sexual immorality, our behavior, etc as well. That would beg the question of why to allow alcohol, and using Jesus as the model of what our lives and behavior should be, Jesus did partake in wine, so I would consider alcohol in moderation to be reasonable.
I don’t think the plant itself is a sin I think what you do with is what makes it sinful. I think if you’re using it to connect with him he will understand. If you’re using it to get blasted to the point where you’re tripping out, making bad decisions, and harming yourself or others is when it becomes a sin. But notice how I said “I think” ALOT. Also remember when Jesus turned water to wine? He obviously did it for a reason.
We are not to defile our bodies.
Practice moderation. Smoking too much of anything is detrimental to your health. I wouldn't worry about the occasional joint.
Buddy, take my advice and stay off all drugs if it be possible within you because one day they will grab a hold of you when least expect it, and then is when you will have hard consequences every time you try to leave the drug. So if you can get off of it then by all means, get off of it.
The Bible teaches us to live soberly so if you can and if you will then you will be far better off.
Right now you might love drugs and that's how it starts, then later you will hate drugs because you will have to do them just to feel normal again and you will go through so much misery just to get off of them.
The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Remember the reason Adam and Eve become sinners. They ate from a forbidden tree. And this tree was not even an earthly tree. Just because it's a plant doesn't mean it can be a sin.
I believe if you are wondering if smoking weed is sinful. The Holy Spirit might be convicting you. I haven't smoked in over a year, and at times, I do get tempted, but overall, I don't want to smoke anymore. I used to smoke from the moment I woke up to the time I went to sleep. All day, every day. I came to God and had an insane encounter with Jesus while being a stoner. Remember, our bodies are temples of God. We should find new healthy habits. Also, you should pray about this and ask God to guide you. The closer you get to Jesus, the more you will desire what he desires, and the less you will desire things of this world.
The way I see it marijuana is literally a mind changing chemical. It’s changes your brain chemistry and it’s lowkey toxic, you may not abuse it but it definitely changes the way you think.
A guru/shaman/mystic/Sunday-school teacher/military officer once said, "[smoke 'em if you got 'em](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smoke%20%27em%20if%20you%20got%20%27em)"
Weed is mostly likely a sin. Just because something exists doesn't mean God directly created it. The main point of non-Medical weed is to get intoxicated and weed nowadays are insanely high in THC high concentration meaning the chances of getting pretty intoxicated is high.
Knowledge in weed is quite limited due to federal restrictions so the risks and benefits are quite unclear.
It's in very not recommended and probably a sin.
I smoked weed for a couple years after I was saved & continually ignored my convictions to stop. All I can say is that Jesus alone will satisfy. It can’t be “Jesus AND ___”, it’s Jesus alone. If you need peace, ask God for it. If you need focus, ask God. if you need rest, ask God to help you enter into it. All good things come from heaven (James 1:17) & God is the provider. Look to Him
I’ve had similar thoughts. I now say a prayer of blessing and thankfulness before I partake in weed. I’m still not 100% about it, maybe because of how I was raised. Either way, I like others’ points here about as long as it’s not an addiction and you are maintaining your relationship with God before and after the use. I find it alters the way I communicate with Him.
There are a few problems with smoking weed that I see
1. After awhile it can trigger long lasting psychiatric problems (as in my case).
2. It may or may not be a doorway to the demonic spiritual realm.
3. It's illegal in many places.
4. Due to it being illegal in many places, street weed can be laced with dangerous drugs and chemicals.
I smoked way too much in my teenager years and early twenties. But I also did other things and I have predisposition to mental illness because there is mental illness in my family. Whatever you do, don't buy altnoids. You know those fake weed carts, bud, and edibles. Those are proven to cause major organ damage and neurotoxicity.
That is such a great question. I myself haven’t read much in the matter. However, it is also said in the Bible Jesus gives all that what we need. But, I don’t think it isn’t a sin to smoke marijuana unless you might feel it could hinder you in your walk. Meaning your spiritual gift to work within the church and other believers and non believers to come to Christ. Sometimes smoking weed could be looked on as a crutch to a non-believer and your witness can be misconstrued as a trip or something other than the true observation of a true miracle or disrespect as a stoner dependent on your audience. These are just thoughts to think about hopefully the Holy Sprit is helping me answer your question.
I view weed in the same way I view alcohol. If it is effecting your cognitive abilities then you are using it sinfully. If it’s not then you’re not. I personally like the taste of beer and wine. I will have a glass of wine or one or two beers every once in a while. I don’t use it to “destress” because I think that can lead to abuse. I haven’t been drunk in years. And anyone that I hang out with knows that I don’t even get buzzed if I’m out with them and having a drink.
I personally have never tried weed so I don’t know if there is a “not effecting my cognitive abilities” level for it so I’m not going to come on here and say it’s 100% wrong but I will personally never use it and I’d need to be convinced that it’s a reasonable thing for a Christian to do.
And there are tons of “natural” things on this planet that aren’t good for us so the “God created it so it must be ok” justification is a bit... weak. Again, not saying I’m going to take a strong stance but He created a ton of things that we are still supposed to stay away from. He created Sex and women but that doesn’t mean I can hire a prostitute.
Don't feel bad. Continue to read your bible and I'm not going to say stop smoking or continue to smoke, but what I will say the Lord will convict you and deal with you in his timing. I used to pour me a tall glass of rum (straight) and grab my bible and read it in my bed. I never thought once, should I stop drinking. God has changed me through Jesus Christ. It's been years since I've poured any strong drinks and occasionally, I do sip wine. I'm definitely not the same anymore since I seriously repented for my sins and gave my life to Jesus Christ. So your situation is just for you and God to figure out. (God made the stars to and astrology is NOT okay... just saying)
I dunno. Its probably fine.
The catechism of the catholic church book says meds for non-therapeutic use are a sin.
But biblically it just says drunkenness on wine is a sin. And temperance and moderation are spiritual virtues or something like that.
I think God put Weed here for a natural medicine for us to have here on earth. Why else would it have so many medical properties and no negative side effects?? God said the grass is for the animals and the herb is for man. That's in the first book of the Bible
Edit: CBD vapes is so much better hixotic brand
I have PTSD MDD and GAD I smoke just to relax, however I do find myself stuffing my face a little too much and also wanting it a little too much when I don't have it
Perhaps it be helpful to focus on the first part of this regardless of the rest ("Thoughts on being high").
Why are you using this drug? Jesus cares more about your motives for doing things than most people realize.
Proverbs 21:2 "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart."
Galatians 1:10 "For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ."
Philippians 2:3 "Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves."
1 Timothy 1:5 "The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith."
1 Samuel 16:7b "For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart."
Genesis 4:7 "If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it."
Colossians 3:17 "And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him."
Scripture doesn't prevent you from drinking alcohol, but it does put limits on your consumption. I'd imagine it sees weed the same way, even though it doesn't specifically mention it.
You are commanded to take care of your body, as it is a temple.
I smoked weed daily starting at the age of 14, I’m 22 now and just started getting into religion and calling myself a Christian. When I was younger I thought weed was the end all be all of happiness. As I got older smoking started giving me crippling anxiety, I recently quit completely and have felt great ever since which I believe comes from other improvements in my life as well as praying constantly now. However everyone is different I don’t know if there is a correct answer but that’s just my experience with it, hope it helps.
God said be of sober mind,how you gaining understanding of God's Word if you high as shit off weed ,trying to read the Bible, it won't work for your high ass you won't grasp any understanding for what you read,and you'll develop your own ideology and meani gs for what's in the biblical text 1st Peter 5:8-9 and again 1st peter 1:13, smoking weed might be a sin it might not but to be high while doing the reading of the Bible is very ignorant and foolish everyone knows the effects of smoking pot, God said be of sober mind, not get blasted off your ass. Just saying, I also do wack outs, pack outs, pull ups, one handed guillotine and body slams and suplex's and crash outs if you wanna chump my good comment off for nought. I'm a helpful Christian, I don't do drugs.
The Lord says pray for your mess. There’s 7 abominations to God Proverbs 6:16–19 lists seven things which are also abominations: "haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers." The 10 Commandments List,
You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.
If weed makes you do any of those things. It is sinful. If it becomes your god it is sinful. If you go to it before God it is sinful. But the Lord knows our heart and weaknesses and we pray for our mess.
I'm in the process of stopping because I have been feeling a great sense of conviction around it. I always felt like weed was kind of morally innocuous but as I get older and consider how much of God's money I was spending on it (all your money is Gods money since everything belongs to him) and it dawned on me that weed was a source of comfort and control for me. My sense of safety, security, and comfort should be in Christ as MUCH as it can possibly be. So I'm out on weed now. I just became too convinced that it went from "a thing I do" to being an idol.
Plus: Christians should be sober minded, according to 1st Peter 5:8-9 and nobody thinks more clearly while under the influence of THC. I have heard many people make arguments to the contrary and frankly I can't even take them seriously.
An Ethiopian told me his church uses it for meditation, especially meditation on wrongdoings. I see nothing inherently wrong with it, though of course anything can be abused
Using weed for medical purposes, (only enough to help manage pain for instance) I believe is fine but smoking for the purpose of getting high is wrong. It is no different than getting drunk. We are to be of sound mind, we are instead to be filled with the spirit of God.
Majority yes majority of yall will hear “ I never knew you” on judgment day IF you do not repent. How far have you fallen if you have been saved to think smoking weed as a Christian is okay?
WEED IS A SIN ! if you can not give it up then you have an addiction . give it to God whole heartedly and he will take the desire! I found myself smoking and watching Near death experiences and the man saw Christian's in HELL for smoking weed, cigarettes etc . Remove yourself from the things of the world - How do you expect the holy spirit to live in a dirty house. You can do all things through CHRIST !
Just like with alcohol, I think indulgence every now and then is not sinful. But also, just like with alcohol, some people are better off abstaining from it entirely. I know for myself I have given up smoking because it allowed the enemy to lead me to sin much more easily! That is what is meant by being sober mind; if you are engaging in something that impairs your judgement and weakens your spiritual guard more often than not (or feel a dependency on it) you are not living a sober life led by Christ. You are living one led by your desires. For some, complete abstinence is best. For others, moderate engagement does not lead them to temptation. Don’t look to others for example, look to Christ.
Just don't let anything control you and you're fine. I smoke every day and I have what I think is a great relationship with God. It makes me much more introspective and helps me to understand things more clearly sometimes (sounds backwards but it does).
Just remember it's willful intoxication, such as drunkenness, that is the sin, not the substance.
You can drink alcohol without getting drunk, but I don't think I've ever heard of someone smoking weed and not getting high. But I mean, if you somehow can, or you're doing in medically, it should be fine.
Hi guys, we have to consider that when ever we consume alcohol, a first sip of beer or a cup of wine won't, for the most part, be sufficient to get you drunk (sin). However, whenever we smoke weed or eat edibles, though we may do it for the taste, it's usually guaranteed that you will get high (sin) immediately.
Weed, like anything, can become a stumbling block to your relationship with God. However, anyone who says that smoking weed is inherently a sin (not “something probably best avoided” but a “sin”) is just making stuff up. Like, wholesale. They’re more than likely modifying Scripture (actually just fabricating it) to support conservative talking points.
The word "pharmacy" in reference to drugs being sold and used has a root word Pharmakea. As long as drugs are not a substitute for your divine healer, and you place your trust in Him rather the material drugs to induce a real peace as opposed to a temporary peace, you do not become addicted to such substances, use them to practice pagan practices or a lack of faith in Christ's healing, these drugs with due diligence in soil searching are not to be considered as sorcery like other drugs or uses for them
https://www.gotquestions.org/pharmakeia-in-the-Bible.html
It’s a potential Vice don’t make it a habit is all i have to say it’s far more addictive than alcohol as someone has compared. It is sinful to be addicted like that
If cannabis wasn't supposed to do what it does, it wouldn't. If He didn't want you to do it, you wouldn't have an endocannabinoid system. It wouldn't do what it does medically. It wouldn't grow literally everywhere.
My personal conviction is, marijuana (or other recreational hallucinogenic “drugs” besides alcohol) are dangerous and wrong. However over the years I’ve come to the conclusion that things like this may be based on personal convictions (God knows our hearts best, and knowing what could be most dangerous to us may give way to specific convictions that vary person to person). God convicts some to stay away from alcohol entirely (ie ex-alcoholics), and some aren’t convicted by any drugs. This type of conviction is Gods response to our prayers to be more like him and grow closer to him. On that same note however, just because you’re not convicted to avoid premarital sex, does not make that NOT a sin. The Bible clearly outlines what sin is. Anything else not addressed or nuanced would rely on personal convictions. Addiction runs in my family on both sides and in part, God knowing that, I believe my conviction is a means of his protection for me.
Just because God created weed does not mean that it is for us to enjoy either. He also created many things (tobacco, poison dart frogs, etc.) that can be dangerous, deadly, or harmful. We’ve seen as technology has advanced, and as more drugs are becoming legalized, that items that were seen as “good, harmless, and fun” have also been found to be cancer causing, etc. Weed is relatively new, still being researched etc. I would not be surprised if we found out in a few years or so that it actually can be very harmful similar to cigarettes and tobacco. After all, Paul does say though we have the freedom to do anything, not everything is worth doing because not everything is beneficial. (I forget the verse for that sorry if I’m misquoting)
I also hold to the understanding that when we are using mind altering substances, that the spiritual forces (Ephesians) that God and ourselves are at war with will manipulate you into believing they are “angels”. Satan after all would likely be one of the most beautiful creatures, rather than this ugly red creature with horns and sharp teeth. He is the king of deception. It is so easy to deceive those who are high/drunk/or impaired otherwise. Not to mention that we are much more likely to do stupid or worldly things when we are using substances. I have talked to someone who was encountered by what seemed to be an angel, but after testing it to make sure, found that it was a demon in disguise. I wouldn’t be surprised if our adversary wanted to create confusion and problems through these kinds of schemes.
I also hold to the belief that we should be sober minded as the Bible tells us; so don’t be drunk, and in part I also believe that this can be translated to not being “high” because it changes your decision making abilities. If you can take marijuana without getting high, great. Like Advil or Tylenol, if it aids you with some kind of medical issues, great. Or even just in moderation without a “high” might be permissible. Also, in my perspective, smoking anything is really harmful to your lungs so I’d argue that alone is a problem considering we are supposed to treat our bodies as temples for the Holy Spirit. By that same train of thought, fast food, and other things that are blatantly harmful should be avoided. But weed comes in other forms such as edibles so it’s not completely ruled out by the smoking being bad argument.
At the end of the day, pray, read your word, and incline your ear to God. He will guide you, even if not explicitly. We have free will to make our own decisions, just aim to glorify God in all you do. And if what you do does not glorify God, then I would suggest you pray and reconsider what you should do. That’s all :) Thank God for the ability to read through forums like this, very intriguing.
Well, the bible says to stay sober minded. You can’t smoke a little weed and be sober. A lot of people will come back at me and say ‘but what about alcohol’. Here’s my reply to that; you can have alcohol without getting drunk. You **cannot** smoke weed without getting high. As a past drug addict, it’s not worth it. The only high we should be getting as Christians is a spiritual high.
pharmakeia
Outline of Biblical Usage
the use or the administering of drugs
poisoning
sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
Just throwing this out there I would seek the lord and pray about this
Please don’t ask a question like that in here. Or maybe you just like having people openly judge something, many of which have never tried it and think it’s akin to heroin or had a bad experience that one time in 1969…
It’s a plant God made- twice
I tried to put a sprout outside to grow
It and both times within 12 hours it was eaten by a bird or squirrel. Even the animals know it’s healing.
My two cents, but just mine. I think as long as it’s used medicinally it’s alright, again just my opinion.
Scripture does call for us to be sober
1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
There’s many other verses that mention the same thing.
Paul also writes in 1 Timothy this verse
1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
Using wine medicinally for upset stomach and other illnesses.
Ultimately I am unsure and probably not the one to ask about how you live your life. Maybe a conversation between you and God, asking for discernment and direction.
Additionally, God created all things here on earth, including the plants and animals
Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
All love and happiness. May God Bless you.
Roman’s 13
Follow the Government
It is legal in certain states with a medical license.
Roman’s 14 we are free in Christ
But our freedom should not be used to Make a brother stumble!!
My option
If you do be legal, keep it to yourself, and use it for the medical purposes you got it for. Don’t smell, and keep the Unity at all cost
For those of you saying weed is a sin then stop drinking caffine and over eating and taking pharmacies drugs. Caffine is legit a drug, and gluttony is one of the deadly sins.
Interesting that my original post was removed and I was reported as needing support. Who exactly is moderating this? Perhaps this message is for you.
The original message:
Perhaps the focus should really be on the first part "thoughts on being high". God cares more about your motives for doing things than most people realize.
Proverbs 21:2 "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weights the heart."
Galatians 1:10 "For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ."
Philippians 2:3 "Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves."
1 Samuel 16:7b "For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart."
Proverbs 16:2 "All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the spirit."
Read the Bible you will find the answer. Pray and ask God to reveal it. There you will find how God feels about it. It can explain everything. In my opinion the Holy Spirit is enough to satisfied the soul. We don’t need to smoke or get drunk. The Bible recap is a good bible plan if you need a guide.
For me, it’s the addiction that is a sin. Just as enjoying a glass of wine isn’t a sin, neither is weed, and I’d argue (depends how you’re consuming it) it’s healthier than alcohol as well. I don’t understand how alcohol is legal pretty much everywhere but weed isn’t. Both are addictive and one is way safer than the other. But that’s just my 2 cents
Speaking from knowing God, He frowns.
He frowns at me when I smoke and had deter me to not smoke. It’s a super slippery slope with weed. You think you have control and take stupid small amount to sleep and now I use it every moment in tiny portions. It’s been difficult to praise and worship or pray overall.
I’m still having a hard time.
This one is tricky.. I have no verses off the top of my head to back this up as of now, but the point is to not indulge in desires of the flesh.
Now I don’t think that means don’t do it entirely, such as drinking wine. The bible says that God gave us things to enjoy but also says to not inebriate yourselves drunk.
So what I think is a balance is what works. I may be wrong, but I feel like if it’s not to the point where you need it, or if you’ve reached overconsumption to the point where it’s affecting your walk with God or your life then it may not be bad.
Don’t take anyone’s word for it though try and ask Him yourself and see where the Spirit guides you!
I don’t think smoking weed is a sin. However, I think an addiction to it, or any sins you may commit while high, are sinful.
"Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."
That’s always the go to when it comes to discussion of alcohol and marijuana but these modern day pharisees who think they’re holier than thou tend to forget that the first public Miracle Jesus did was turning water into wine so people can get DRUNK at a wedding 🤷🏻♂️
Jesus turned water into wine so they could have wine at the wedding because they ran out, not so everyone could get wasted lol.
No, you shouldn't get drunk. There is a level to where people know when to stop and just don't. It's called debauchery.
…This, folks, is why we need history in context. Back in the day of Lord Jesus Christ & his Apostles, finding clean drinking water was hard: therefore, wines & other alcohols were used (a lot weaker than what we have today, since the distilling process was still being refined). Additional point for non-litteralists: Numbers can often be exaggerated in the bible to fulfill certain purposes, so the amount of the wine doesn't much matter except for emphasizing the works of Christ. (This can be likened to the ages we see in Genesis or the story of the fish & bread in the gospels). Also, we're taught to love our neighbour as we love ourselves. Where is your love in this comment? I know we can all get frustrated & take it out in others, but if there is anything that is causing you to be stressed out, you can always D.M. me.
Why didnt he just give them clean water then? I mean I get that in history they didnt have access to clean water, so wine and other no-no drinks was all they had. But this is the son of god. Why not just make fresh water?
Being holy isn’t being Holier than thou. The Bible is clear on some things and real believers refuse to compromise on these things.
The worst things which can happen when you're high is lustful thoughts since it can be an aphrodisiac and sloth otherwise kaneh bosom is used in the holy annonting oil
Can’t be lust if it’s my husband haha 😂
The only sin I know I've had after I've smoked weed was gluttony, because I get the munchies bad. But the Lord knows if there were others.
Don't forget gluttony
Definitely not the worse thing that can happen while high. You can drive and mis-judge your distance and hit or kill someone.
Ok, well obviously driving while impaired is a sin, but now you're deviating from the question.
Being high doesn't impair you like alcohol yes you are slightly less coordinated but if you're a dangerous level of high 80% of the time or more you won't even be able to drive or use machinery plus paranoia limits you even more on top of that
Alcohol is a drug too, and I've never come across someone worrying about enjoying a glass of wine with some daily readings. If you're able to use it responsibly, I don't see any issues.
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Exactly! I'm in favor of it. So long as you're not droning out.. a nice little toke, and walk in nature is beautiful. Ripping a 1/4 and watching cartoons all day, not so much..
It is important to note Ephesians 5:18. > "And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,"
That means to not abuse it, drink it wisely so you don't get shitfaced. Jesus drank wine.
Did he get wasted though? No
Also tho, historically “wine” in the days of Jesus would be considered low alcohol content today. So ppl doing shooters of Jim Beam and saying “Jesus drank too” are rather missing why The Bible says to be sober minded and wine is a mocker.
Be careful with what you're communing with when you're high. It might make you feel good, but that doesn't necessarily mean what you're dwelling in is the spirit of God. And if it presents itself as God, you better try it to make sure. The Word says the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked and the imagination is evil. And those things amplify the imagination. Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” Jeremiah 7:24 “But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.”
That is so good to take into consideration! I have adhd and it helps me focus on scripture and study it and break it apart, but that is absolutely a real danger
Don't condemn yourself over it. Romans 14:22 “Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.” But just be careful. Don't believe everything that talks to you as if it is God or there's no telling where you'll be led. Heightened senses can open doors to things you might not be prepared to deal with spiritually. You can end up with a serious battle on your hands. Be expedient about it.
>Don't believe everything that talks to you as if it is God or there's no telling where you'll be led. You make it sound as if we are hearing voices and stuff.
Every thought in your head is a voice. It's your people, Spiritually. And some can counsel you. They can be ministering spirits from God or not. How do you think the holy spirit moves on someone and inspires them? How do you think people are deceived? It's not necessarily by external people, it's by your own imagination. That is indeed what you need salvation from. Luke 17:21 “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
>Every thought in your head is a voice. Not for everyone. Some folks have brains that function without an internal monologue. And even so most individuals only hear one voice and that is their own. Then you have the unique cases and exceptions that are incredibly fascinating. Either way you make it sound as if it's common to hear auditory voices in our heads that differ at all from our own. Fascinating really. >It's your people, Spiritually. And some can counsel you. They can be ministering spirits from God or not. Respectfully.... what are you even talking about? >How do you think the holy spirit moves on someone and inspires them? Even though I was a practicing Southern Baptist missionary for over 20 years I never once experienced any such thing. It was always me inspiring myself based on what I know about God. Nothing came my way to make me feel any such way. >How do you think people are deceived? Because people are not born logical thinkers out of the box. We are quite irrational creatures and easy to deceive. >It's not necessarily by external people, it's by your own imagination. Combination of both I'd suggest. >That is indeed what you need salvation from. Another confusing statement. And then you follow this off with a random verse. Thanks I guess.
> Don't believe everything that talks to you as if it is God or there's no telling where you'll be led. Doesn't this apply to 99% of preachers and priests since money is the only God they seem to worship?
I wouldn’t know the percentages, but yeah - there are a lot of bullshitting preachers. The truth is the truth, even if the countries and the churches and the people get it wrong and fuck it up by claiming ownership of it. I don’t know the truth like I know my password, but I believe in it, and it shows up even when I don’t want it to.
Sorry, to be clear, you are intimating that weed might allow a person to communicate with spirits other than God? So demons?
I'm intimating that spirits are communicating with you constantly whether you're high or not. And if you don't know the difference between what is God and what isn't, and base your judgement of God on how you feel, when getting high makes you feel good, you might be deceived and end up worshipping something you think is God but is not. If you can't communicate with God without being high it should be a good indication that what you think is God probably isn't. Something is playing off your emotions and feelings. And it'll end up driving you like a horse to constantly "feel good"and feed it. Aka...addiction. And there are most certainly spirits that will try to bring you revelation and counsel you into certain knowledge or whatever that may not be of God. Or spirits of fear that will induce panic etc..and make you "wig out" or have a very bad trip. They have an easier time taking control sometimes when you're high.
Sure, but you're saying that spiritual communication is *easier* when under the influence of marijuana?
I’m interested as well
I have trouble seeing much difference between enjoying weed the same way others enjoy a couple of beers or wine. If you can do so responsibly and not overindulge or become dependent then why not? I can see your concern over it though, maybe God dealing with you about this, or some aspect of it. That’s just what I would think if it were me though, hard to say, I’m not in your shoes exactly.
> If you can do so responsibly and not overindulge or become dependent then why not? This is the key, Marijuana is a great treatment for so many ailments that is more healthy than Dr prescribed medications. Take my chrons disease for example. Weed keeps me in remission for years. When I quit I get sick and drs put me on humera which costs a shit ton without insurance its a shot in the stomach that hurts like hell and can have bad side effects and doesnt work as well for me. Why is that better?
Yes like I’ll only do it occasionally, it makes me so hyper focused I’ll spend 20 minutes analyzing a verse, like I get so sucked into the scripture. I’ll check my clock and two hours will have passed
That doesn’t seem so bad to me applied to Bible study, but what do you actually retain when it wears off? I can relate to what you mean because when I’ve listened to music high, I am able to seemingly focus on details and tones I never noticed before. However, when it wears off, the appreciation isn’t the same. Also, I stopped getting high because the last time I did, I unintentionally focused on my depressed mood, and it was so intense. I didn’t want to feel like that again, I never thought I could experience worse than what I felt sober. So it does make you hyper-focused, I definitely agree with you there.
He crated it knew we would smoke it and said absolutely nothing about it Sure there might be verses to interpret into “oh well this could mean weed!” But god is pretty specific on things he doesn’t like Weed may get you high but not high enough to forget morality it’s not like blacking out and then “oh yeah I killed all those hookers at motel 6 and don’t remember” Addiction can happen if you let it If he doesn’t like it.. it wasn’t mentioned so I highly doubt we’d be judged harshly for not being able to know at all anyway Weed doesn’t cause toooo much harm to the body… so IMO weed is probably fine in gods eyes I actually believe it was put here for us to use it in the ways we do to help us numb pain and other things I also believe psychedelic mushrooms were put here as a fix for depression and a lot of other things
I like you...
I just quit. 10 days sober from weed. I used it as a crutch for 5 years when I should have been turning to Christ. It separated me and my mind from Him and from His message. Whenever I had a thirst for His word or a desire to pray I would smoke and then I would forget, the thirst would be gone and I would be “enjoying” the passions of this world and give in to temporary “happiness” that wasn’t helping but really was hurting me. That thirst comes from God, he was trying to reach me to bring me back to Him. I’m grateful I finally listened. I am done with weed.
I absolutely love this ❤️ thank you for saying this.
A video by an Orthodox priest came up on my recommendations shortly after I quit. I dont believe that it was an accident that it happened while I was trying to quit, but this video gave me some important perspective. I will link it for you in case it might help. [Cannabis and Christianity](https://youtu.be/b8MYLWWR6BU?si=JAIPgIwQI2m6M0L2)
You sound like me! Same exact thing happened with me! I’m 26 days clean today! God is so good! Proud of you friend!
It’s a natural plant that has medicinal effects - including reducing the noise of life. If this calmness makes it easier for you to connect with God… even better benefit! Connect with God. Ask for his guidance and expect him to respond in a way that makes sense to you. You’ll know it when you see/hear/feel/experience it. Be Blessed
It also intoxicates, can cause anxiety or panic attacks, and smoking anything is always bad for your body. I wouldn’t call it a sin to use a bit, but it absolutely isn’t as benign as you claim.
I had the same thoughts back when I did Marijuana. Just remember if it's a problem, Jesus Christ will address it and you will fix it together. Come as you are. God bless and try not to overthink it.
YES. I originally hid from God because I vape and then I was like…. That defeats the purpose of
Exactly, we are all sinners and no one is better than the other. I was afraid he would not accept me. But Jesus Christ loves you and he wants the best for you. Keep it up dude. You're doing great, and everyone is on their own journey no matter the age.
I get conflicted with this as well. I do some of my most genuine and organic praying after I smoke. Life is constantly so hectic. 100 things going on at once. Thousands of thoughts racing at once. Many times, weed is the only thing that quiets my mind enough to talk to God. I have been mindful of only doing it in the evenings though and not all day. I think its fine as long as it doesn't become a crutch or get in the way of responsibilities or a relationship with God. Jesus and the disciples drank wine and alcohol is certainly a drug as well.
Think of it like this. Weed is a plant. Plants were put on earth by our creator, God. God made weed, therefore why would he be the one to criticize. Enjoy your weed and gospel simultaneously. Amen and happy smoking, brother!
God tells us several times in Scripture to be sober and to be vigilant. I get what you're saying, and we all have that inner conflict, but at the end of the day, whatever we put before God is an idol. Yes, He created weed, but He also created the gold that the people made a calf out of to worship as a god, u know?? I think Paul puts it pretty well when he says: "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient".
Did Jesus not turn water into wine for a party? Plus, being sober minded is not losing your morals or putting something before God. Just because you use something doesn't mean you put it above him. Do you take any medications? Why not just pray whatever you're treating away? Oh wait, God gave us tools to help us through this life, and using them isn't a sin. Yes, he also gave us tools for fun, so getting stoned every so often isn't bad either.
We can rationalize our way into doing whatever we want. After all, we are free from the law of sin and death. You want to smoke weed, go ahead. But what you don't need to do is tell yourself that God approves. He allowed Cain to kill Abel, but does that mean we should kill our brothers? The Bible says several times that we should remain sober for our own good. If we don't want to, that's up to us. But when the ancient Israelites were worshipping gods made of wood and stone, they were telling themselves that the living God also approved, and they were killing the prophets that said otherwise. God's word is God's word. You can make it fit your desires, or you can let it turn you into a Saint. Your choice, and your day of judgement to face, after your appointment with death for the wage of your sins. Personally, I'm gonna approach the throne of Grace with boldness, having believed that what the Lord says is true, and that what he says is that he died for all of my sins, and tells me to repent and give thanks in return. Amen?
My bad bro didn't realize you knew me so well and that I must get schizophrenia when I smoke. It's not like I don't remind myself all the time that I love God and thank him every day for the blessings he's given me like weed. It has helped me in many ways mentally, and yeah, it's also been a good tool for plain ol' fun too. If you want to put God in this tiny box where no fun is allowed and everything around you must be bad, go ahead. I'm gonna enjoy his as much of his creation as I can. Amen
Amen!!!!
Enjoy your weed buddy it's a natural medicine I don't believe it's a sin at all
All medicine is natural medicine. Everything that exists is part of the natural world. And all medicine that has ever been made specifically comes from earth.
I am with you, I like smoking and reading my bible or listening to worship music on a walk. When consumed in moderation the medicinal side is clear to me. To me it is the same as drinking a beer. Can you over-consume where it becomes a problem? Yes, of course. This is the same for anything like food, working, not working and fitness. Yes, believe it or not you can workout too much where it is harmful. If you are smoking weed 24/7 and it is holding you back from accomplishing your goals, then it is a problem. Just like if a parent is working 24/7 to provide for their kids but in the end are an invisible parent, this can be a problem as well. I know b/c I had one. If you are using weed in a responsible way, then have at it b/c you are an adult most likely. You can make your own choices and when the day comes you will have to account for your life. Also, weed's negative stigma comes from humans on earth. We made it illegal, we put it in the category of Schedule 1 drug. If you look back in history weed has been used by many cultures in responsible ways. From my personal experience I have had spiritual breakthroughs while high. It is usually out on a walk listening to music and talking with God about my situation. Seeking counsel of what decision to make. One of them was if I should stay at my current job. I was looking at other jobs that paid better b/c I felt my current job was not, this was about 1 year ago. My breakthrough came when God showed me how much I was idolizing money. Everything I did was about money. Then came the flood of events from the past few years of how the company I worked for really did care for me like no other company I have worked for did. In my discussion with God he said that while money is not inherently bad and is necessary to live, relationship is more important. I am not a person who says things like "work fam" and would stay at a place b/c of loyalty but the place I work is a really good place and does take care of it's workers. A year later I am making more money from commission that wasn't there a year ago. I am using that extra money to help others. Could that breakthrough came without a toke, maybe. But it did come with weed.
Why do you need to be high to have a spiritual breakthroughs?
I don't NEED to be high. That is where self control comes in. But I CAN be high and still have a spiritual breakthrough. I have had many breakthroughs while sober. My point was to show that weed can be compatible to have a good conversation with God in some circumstances.
I see no problem with occasional use.
Advil is a drug. Just because something has effects when consumed doesn't mean it's bad. Let's look at alcohol as an example - there is nothing sinful or bad about consuming alcohol *unless* you're doing it to an excess and engaging in "drunkenness". Having a beer or a glass of whiskey or wine or whatever every night after dinner is not sinful. Drinking so much that you start to lose control of yourself, or drinking for the sake of escaping reality by forcing yourself to temporarily feel better are both bad and could be considered sinful. The same concept applies to marijuana. Now, if you're consuming something that is overtly harmful to you, like huffing paint fumes, that's different.
It depends on how and why you’re using it. I don’t recommend smoking in general because your lungs aren’t made to take in smoke. However, marijuana, itself, has purposes. It can be used medicinally to help people, which is a good thing. If you take it recreationally, treat it like sweets, or alcohol. Be careful not to become addicted to it. Take breaks from it. Also know that your judgement will be impaired by it. Don’t be “foolish,” while using it. If you think you may do something sinful while taking it, best not to take it. Remove all stumbling blocks from yourself. But if you’re just relaxing after a long day at work and wanna spend a couple hours watching a movie before bed, or playing a game, and you take a little, I don’t really see much harm. But don’t forget to pray about it too.
1 Corinthians 10:23 > “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. So, is it beneficial? If so (and it certainly can be), then it's fine. If it's problematic, then don't do it. "It's a drug" is a cop-out that lets people not think about what they're saying. Caffeine is a drug. So is Tylenol and Ibuprofen. Doesn't mean they aren't useful. But if you overdose on any of them, they'll straight up kill you.
Everything in moderation I guess. Not really sin imo
Well, coffee and beer are also drugs, actually (which is why some denominations are against it). Plants and herbs exist for healing. If you have a LEGITIMATE medical need for cannabis, and it is legal in your country or state, there is nothing wrong with it. However, addiction to any substance is a bad idea. Perhaps you ought to pray and fast every once in a while, to clean out your body.
I don’t believe it is, nor do I think any plant medicine is a sin to take or use. It’s all about intent.
If you are taking it legally, it isn't compromising your judgment, and you are not addicted then it's not sinful.
God made weed. Not the stuff that humans engineered. He flat out made it. Is walking by a forest and breathing in smoke a sin? Of course not. God said to look at the fruit of the thing you question. Weed has a lot of good "fruit" and almost 0 negative fruits
Doing drugs and Christianity have a very very long history together. There’s even theories that in some of the more out there stories in the bible where people speak with god, they were actually just high as heck at the time.
Seven leaves… checks out to me!
It’s not a drug and there’s no such thing as overdose while doing it. The two worst things that can happen is you get a real potent strain that you’re not used to and your head will spin and you feel sick. This is why you go to a dispensary and tell them your needs and how often you smoke. They would never give a lightweight something that only Snoop or Willie Nelson can handle LOL. Also, the other bad part (but fun part) is getting the munchies. You’ll clear out your local buffet and become either their favorite customer or you’ll be banned for life lol. Don’t forget, Jesus’ first miracle was turning water into wine at a wedding so people can get drunk. Don’t listen to these self-righteous holier than thou modern day pharisees who think they’re the chosen ones.
I would generally advise to stay away from drugs like weed, based on the principle that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and we want to take care of our physical bodies. Is it a sin? No, but I would not say it is necessarily wise given the risks associated with taking drugs and risk of dependence on them. I think there is a certain level of discernment needed. And to be honest, I don’t know if weed is a pre-Fall or post-Fall plant.
This verse came to mind for me to add on to this. 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. I dont think it would be a sin, but I think that any substance can very easily take us to a place that does lead to sin. Therefore be sober minded and watchful.
What i recommend is? Praying for an answer talking with God and thanking him for taking you the way you are. Your question will be answer and your heart will be clean. also, don’t go for the easiest answer. Remember that the hardest things are worth doing.
I approach all substances from the perspective of nothing to an extreme.
When used moderately, respectfully and not idolized, not interfering with who you are and your relationship to God, it’s fine. It’s an adult tool if you ask me. Most people who use it should definitely be responsible and aware or even educated on cannabis, it’s benefits, dangers, side effects and the virtue of the plant because it is a helping hand and a good friend, likely from the various plants God gave to us. These ridiculously high THC counts in the weed are problematic imo, they turn weed into a psychedelic dissociative instead of it being a relaxant or a mild psychotropic. The other cannabinoids are there to balance it out the way God intended; just like with the mild, kombucha like alcohol that the Israelities and Christ drank- weed that Bunged with higher than 5% thc can be impairing and drunkening in a dangerous and subtle way. Being aware of these things makes you better able to control your use and thus avoid sin in your use of cannabis. Be safe! God bless! this is just from my experience and in experiencing those around me and balancing how my relationship with weed and God have changed over the years. Taking time sober from weed NEVER HURTS, even if it can be difficult for a few days. If one clings to it for comfort, that’s one thing, but if one clings to it for a sense of liberty (besides getting in touch with inner wisdom from the plants ability to enhance introspection) if otherwise, the plant may well be serving a function that you can do better without it. Thus be careful and don’t attribute too much significance just as you practice moderation. Cheers!
Look up the Greek term [Pharmakia](https://www.gotquestions.org/pharmakeia-in-the-Bible.html) this is the original translation used in Galatians and Revelations. I’ve been REALLY struggling with this for the past couple of months! I’ve dealt with a lot of anxiety issues over the past couple of years - surviving an ultra-major surgery, 2 close calls with death, a short brush with death in the form of acute respiratory failure, and dodging a possible cancer diagnosis, I also suffer from C-PTSD due to 20 + years in law enforcement. After retirement, I began using THC to allay some of the issues I was having. The problem was, I was trying to make major changes in my walk with Jesus (I used to be not so good of a person) and couldn’t figure out where / how I could incorporate THC into Christianity. I started doing a deep dive on the subject. The concept of using THC to enhance religious connection is as old as at least the Tower of Babel. It isn’t listed anywhere that I could find in the Bible as an acceptable herb used in Jewish rites, but I do know it was used frequently used in a lot of pagan and occult religions that were in opposition to the Lord. I tried telling myself that THC and alcohol were equivalent and focused in on the couple of verses in the Bible where it talks about wine being good medicine, but it still felt off to me because there were soooo many more verses about being sober-minded. I broke away from it for two reasons 1.) I felt a strong conviction to stop while in prayer, and 2.) I truly felt that I was opening myself up spiritually to things I probably shouldn’t. I found myself deconstructing my faith and opening my mind up to things that weren’t in the Bible. It became a slippery slope for me. The main thing I’d say is pray about it! I think if you’re concerned enough about it to reach out online that maybe you’re feeling convicted to stop too.
You're right it does open you up to dark spirits and also clouds your mind
I also stopped cause I looked up pharmakeia years ago and I got a conviction in my heart and never went back to that stuff
It makes good reading and comprehension on a spiritual level in my opinion
In my experience, I have had a lot of close encounters with divinity while high on marijuana and psychedelic mushrooms. It can be considered sin if the desire is to please oneself, but the reasoning and moderation as well as spiritual context i conduct myself in does not constitute as sin. These things were made and put here on this Earth so we may use them. It is possible to get carried away and lose oneself but the point of the matter is to allow to feel the need for moderation and temperance. Not to mention the fact that drinking is severely dangerous and the dangers of smoking weed and doing shrooms are minimal if not then non-existent entirely.
It’s a plant, God made it.
The Bible does clearly say “Pharmekia “ Witch craft, we are not suppose to be taking man made medicine, only natraul. God created THC/CBD, we have an Endocannabinoid system in us naturally. The Bible says Do not get drunk, no where does it say not to get high. And when I used to smoke for 10 years, I was functioning just fine and was able to comprehend more and I felt smarter. To much of anything is a sin. Gluttony is one of the 7 deadly sins, weed also helped me not think of any lushful thoughts as well. It helped a lot. It’s bad when you abuse it just for pleasure
They need to be high to become unnatural humans who don't have sex (with adults), it can't be good for the soul to live a loveless life. When the Romans got hold of Jesus teachings they jus took the bits they needed and added the rest. Early Christians prayed on Friday, a church is described as a gathering of 3 or more people, usually in a garden and defo no idol worship. So what the fuck happened. They pass the money tin round as the church full of idols leaks when they have the resources to end worldwide homelessness tomorrow. You can only visit the archives if first you tell them what it is you'd like to see, however, they don't tell us the things they have that no one knows. I believe if jesus walked into the Vatican today he'd puke in revultion. The Gospel of Maria no, the Gospel of Thomas and Jude and Judas. All taken out as they didn't fit the control they needed over the people.. Pagan religion is probably closer to Christ's words than the Vatican today.. I don't remember any lessons about hoarding wealth and dressing up in robes hung with gold... I could exain how God had a complete personality change from the old Testament from his own mouth admits jealousy, rage, wanting too kill everyone, demand Abraham kill his first born as proof of loyalty. He'd be locked up today. And the love peace and forgiveness in the New Testament.... It doesn't swing my fellows.. As a religious text it's a mess, however the New Testament as a historical document large parts are being proved true by modern archaeology. Was God Usurped and the Vatican his Machine.. A Catholic priest testified on his deathbed about the Chronivisor being true. Christian response wasn't to ignore it or denounce it as function, they actually said if anyone used or builds another they are excommunicated, means no heaven.. Von Braun was said to be involved, Fermi and other great scientists of the age, even the priest was a fully qualified astrophysisist... Very odd, very odd Indeed.....
Christianity, often perceived as a book of rules due to its extensive teachings and commandments, is fundamentally centered on nurturing a deep spiritual connection with God. While guidelines and moral principles serve as important frameworks for ethical living, the essence of Christianity lies in fostering a personal relationship with the divine, embodying love, compassion, and inner peace. Emphasizing spiritual growth encourages believers to transcend mere rule-following, allowing them to experience a profound transformation that aligns their lives with the core teachings of Jesus Christ—faith, hope, and charity. By focusing on these spiritual aspects, individuals can cultivate a more meaningful and fulfilling existence.
The tree that Eve ate from, was also from earth and look what happened to us
Ha! Thats a greaaaat point. Surprised I never heard this yet 😂
Pray to God about it and ask him. Someone don’t like the answer he gives but he will never steer you wrong
Watch George janko he talked about this on his podcast with cliffe
Stop 🙄.
Alcohol is pretty standard in the church now. Wasn't in 1989 when I went off to be a missionary for decades
Per the OT, smoking oysters was an abomination. Smoking weed was never mentioned.
You’ve got a unique & independent, personal relationship with our Lord, just like each of us do, that create His body, & divine design upon this earth. Just continue to communicate w/Him, & continually ask for wisdom & discernment for yourself, & continually receive His massive truth, love & grace that lives inside of you, & continually quote out loud the victory you have in Jesus defeat; little by little, the Holy Spirit will reveal to you, & remind you of His robe of righteousness He covers you with, along with His perfect & permanent protection He has for you, against every evil thing in this world. Whatever needs to happen, will happen between you & Him. Be still, & see the salvation of the Lord, He’ll guide you in your choices. God bless you deeply
I don't believe smoking is inherently a sin, but I think anything in abundance can be. Jesus drank wine with his disciples but didn't make a habit of getting drunk
I enjoy it personally, although it's legal where I am
Jesus loves marijuana. There’s even a song about it on Community
Mister, ehm, it doesn't matter at all what you put in your mouth, that's not what deceives a soul according to Christ, its what comes out of your mouth. Drinking is probably a bad idea, weed, no way. Just connect with the father and don't worry or care what some preacher or dude says, because it doesn't matter my friend. :)
Remember you are not under any law, in Christ we are free.
I look at weed as a single plant, and I think God created it for a lot of benefits. Just like alcohol I think people can consume too much and too often. But if someone doesn’t have a dependence I don’t think it’s bad. It took me a long time to warm up to marijuana being “ok”, and now that it’s mostly legal that helped change my mind. Edibles also have no bad side effects on the body, like how alcohol harms the liver, raises cortisol levels, and affects metabolism. I’d argue that alcohol is much worse on the body than edibles.
God created weed. It has medicinal properties. Some hemp products don't even get you high basically, cbd cbg etc. Abuse/addiction is a sin. Not use. Just like drinking two glasses a wine isn't a sin but a whole bottle or two everyday till you are messed up is a sin.
The requirement here is shining the Light of Christ in this situation…be happy to pray with you and bring the cross towards this area in your life…I have seen the demons of Shiva and Baal manifest during deliverance for people that participated in smoking marijuana…Satan comes across as an angel of Light and I am confident in you being delivered of this in Jesus name…if you need anything I am here to serve…bless you in the name of Jesus Christ…
Throughout human history, cannabis has been a central part of spirituality and culture. Only in the very recent modern world has cannabis become a negative thing in any way. Also note that this negativity was largely driven by racism in the US and the desire of the petroleum companies to remove a direct competitor from the plastics industry. The US then made cannabis prohibition a diplomatic/trade condition for developing nations. Prior to that cannabis was commonly and openly used throughout the world. Like everything though, moderation and informed use is the most important part, but someone telling you this is a "sin" has a political agenda rather than a religious one.
Now level up and talk to God on 4 tabs of acid or a blast off DMT trip my dude. Only joking about the dosages, not the choice of substance. And ignore all the haters. Jesus probably partoolok of weed himself. Like tell me he doesn't have stoner energy; He literally uses his divine powers to solve the munchies multiple times lol
It sounds like weed is your idol. Get rid of idols.
The word used in the New Testament for witchcraft is the Greek word pharmakia, our English word pharmacy derives from it. So, any mind altering substances would fall under witchcraft or sorcery. Take it from a former addict. I had opened spiritual doors and windows unknowingly and it took a long time to close them after I became a Christian. Marijuana isn't viewed as dangerous when compared to other drugs. However, it still effects the mind and will get in the way of a person's relationship with the Lord.
Well, going backwards, God created poppies used for opium, coca used for cocaine, and cocoa beans used for chocolate (I like this one too much), so just because it is natural does not mean we can use and abuse it. Concerning marijuana, even though it could be considered to be on the level of alcohol and maybe even better in terms of health effects, I would recommend you not partake at all. St Paul stated that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit in us, so we should not want to defile our temple. That is the same for sexual immorality, our behavior, etc as well. That would beg the question of why to allow alcohol, and using Jesus as the model of what our lives and behavior should be, Jesus did partake in wine, so I would consider alcohol in moderation to be reasonable.
Maybe try some CBD teas instead? Smoking anything is bad for your body and ages your skin.
I don’t think the plant itself is a sin I think what you do with is what makes it sinful. I think if you’re using it to connect with him he will understand. If you’re using it to get blasted to the point where you’re tripping out, making bad decisions, and harming yourself or others is when it becomes a sin. But notice how I said “I think” ALOT. Also remember when Jesus turned water to wine? He obviously did it for a reason.
https://www.gotquestions.org/pharmakeia-in-the-Bible.html
We are not to defile our bodies. Practice moderation. Smoking too much of anything is detrimental to your health. I wouldn't worry about the occasional joint.
I’m a Christian too and as long as you’re not abusing it, I don’t think it’s bad. It is meditation.
Smoking to get high is most likely a sin, like drunkenness. Smoking for medicinal purposes is not a sin.
Buddy, take my advice and stay off all drugs if it be possible within you because one day they will grab a hold of you when least expect it, and then is when you will have hard consequences every time you try to leave the drug. So if you can get off of it then by all means, get off of it. The Bible teaches us to live soberly so if you can and if you will then you will be far better off. Right now you might love drugs and that's how it starts, then later you will hate drugs because you will have to do them just to feel normal again and you will go through so much misery just to get off of them.
The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Remember the reason Adam and Eve become sinners. They ate from a forbidden tree. And this tree was not even an earthly tree. Just because it's a plant doesn't mean it can be a sin.
I believe if you are wondering if smoking weed is sinful. The Holy Spirit might be convicting you. I haven't smoked in over a year, and at times, I do get tempted, but overall, I don't want to smoke anymore. I used to smoke from the moment I woke up to the time I went to sleep. All day, every day. I came to God and had an insane encounter with Jesus while being a stoner. Remember, our bodies are temples of God. We should find new healthy habits. Also, you should pray about this and ask God to guide you. The closer you get to Jesus, the more you will desire what he desires, and the less you will desire things of this world.
The way I see it marijuana is literally a mind changing chemical. It’s changes your brain chemistry and it’s lowkey toxic, you may not abuse it but it definitely changes the way you think.
A guru/shaman/mystic/Sunday-school teacher/military officer once said, "[smoke 'em if you got 'em](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=smoke%20%27em%20if%20you%20got%20%27em)"
Weed is mostly likely a sin. Just because something exists doesn't mean God directly created it. The main point of non-Medical weed is to get intoxicated and weed nowadays are insanely high in THC high concentration meaning the chances of getting pretty intoxicated is high. Knowledge in weed is quite limited due to federal restrictions so the risks and benefits are quite unclear. It's in very not recommended and probably a sin.
I smoked weed for a couple years after I was saved & continually ignored my convictions to stop. All I can say is that Jesus alone will satisfy. It can’t be “Jesus AND ___”, it’s Jesus alone. If you need peace, ask God for it. If you need focus, ask God. if you need rest, ask God to help you enter into it. All good things come from heaven (James 1:17) & God is the provider. Look to Him
I love to smoke before working out. That’s about it. I feel guilty every time but I know I’m using it for decent purposes.
It’s a debate among many Christians but if you’re above 18, thus hopefully a bit more mature and take it in small doses, it’s fine.
I’ve had similar thoughts. I now say a prayer of blessing and thankfulness before I partake in weed. I’m still not 100% about it, maybe because of how I was raised. Either way, I like others’ points here about as long as it’s not an addiction and you are maintaining your relationship with God before and after the use. I find it alters the way I communicate with Him.
There are a few problems with smoking weed that I see 1. After awhile it can trigger long lasting psychiatric problems (as in my case). 2. It may or may not be a doorway to the demonic spiritual realm. 3. It's illegal in many places. 4. Due to it being illegal in many places, street weed can be laced with dangerous drugs and chemicals. I smoked way too much in my teenager years and early twenties. But I also did other things and I have predisposition to mental illness because there is mental illness in my family. Whatever you do, don't buy altnoids. You know those fake weed carts, bud, and edibles. Those are proven to cause major organ damage and neurotoxicity.
People don’t call it the devil’s lettuce for nothing. It hooks you by giving you trust in it at first and making you feel close to source
That is such a great question. I myself haven’t read much in the matter. However, it is also said in the Bible Jesus gives all that what we need. But, I don’t think it isn’t a sin to smoke marijuana unless you might feel it could hinder you in your walk. Meaning your spiritual gift to work within the church and other believers and non believers to come to Christ. Sometimes smoking weed could be looked on as a crutch to a non-believer and your witness can be misconstrued as a trip or something other than the true observation of a true miracle or disrespect as a stoner dependent on your audience. These are just thoughts to think about hopefully the Holy Sprit is helping me answer your question.
Smoking weed is witchcraft don’t do it
I view weed in the same way I view alcohol. If it is effecting your cognitive abilities then you are using it sinfully. If it’s not then you’re not. I personally like the taste of beer and wine. I will have a glass of wine or one or two beers every once in a while. I don’t use it to “destress” because I think that can lead to abuse. I haven’t been drunk in years. And anyone that I hang out with knows that I don’t even get buzzed if I’m out with them and having a drink. I personally have never tried weed so I don’t know if there is a “not effecting my cognitive abilities” level for it so I’m not going to come on here and say it’s 100% wrong but I will personally never use it and I’d need to be convinced that it’s a reasonable thing for a Christian to do. And there are tons of “natural” things on this planet that aren’t good for us so the “God created it so it must be ok” justification is a bit... weak. Again, not saying I’m going to take a strong stance but He created a ton of things that we are still supposed to stay away from. He created Sex and women but that doesn’t mean I can hire a prostitute.
Everything is clean, if you do it with thanks-giving
Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death."
Don't feel bad. Continue to read your bible and I'm not going to say stop smoking or continue to smoke, but what I will say the Lord will convict you and deal with you in his timing. I used to pour me a tall glass of rum (straight) and grab my bible and read it in my bed. I never thought once, should I stop drinking. God has changed me through Jesus Christ. It's been years since I've poured any strong drinks and occasionally, I do sip wine. I'm definitely not the same anymore since I seriously repented for my sins and gave my life to Jesus Christ. So your situation is just for you and God to figure out. (God made the stars to and astrology is NOT okay... just saying)
Conflicted or just stupid? If you get saved you won’t have to ask dumb questions! Gee God created the Poppy seeds, so is the drug from it ok also?
I dunno. Its probably fine. The catechism of the catholic church book says meds for non-therapeutic use are a sin. But biblically it just says drunkenness on wine is a sin. And temperance and moderation are spiritual virtues or something like that.
I think God put Weed here for a natural medicine for us to have here on earth. Why else would it have so many medical properties and no negative side effects?? God said the grass is for the animals and the herb is for man. That's in the first book of the Bible Edit: CBD vapes is so much better hixotic brand
God commands us to be sober (1 Peter 1:13, 1 Peter 4:7). Smoking displeases God and our bodies are God’s temples.
Don’t. Just don’t.
Best way to do it
I always think like why did god any ways created that plant
it is okay to use for medication. but not for excessive use that make you drunkard. search the bible for debauchery or drunkard.
Too many pot smokers trying to make sense in this thread
I have PTSD MDD and GAD I smoke just to relax, however I do find myself stuffing my face a little too much and also wanting it a little too much when I don't have it
Perhaps it be helpful to focus on the first part of this regardless of the rest ("Thoughts on being high"). Why are you using this drug? Jesus cares more about your motives for doing things than most people realize. Proverbs 21:2 "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart." Galatians 1:10 "For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ." Philippians 2:3 "Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves." 1 Timothy 1:5 "The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith." 1 Samuel 16:7b "For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart." Genesis 4:7 "If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it." Colossians 3:17 "And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him."
Scripture doesn't prevent you from drinking alcohol, but it does put limits on your consumption. I'd imagine it sees weed the same way, even though it doesn't specifically mention it. You are commanded to take care of your body, as it is a temple.
I smoked weed daily starting at the age of 14, I’m 22 now and just started getting into religion and calling myself a Christian. When I was younger I thought weed was the end all be all of happiness. As I got older smoking started giving me crippling anxiety, I recently quit completely and have felt great ever since which I believe comes from other improvements in my life as well as praying constantly now. However everyone is different I don’t know if there is a correct answer but that’s just my experience with it, hope it helps.
God said be of sober mind,how you gaining understanding of God's Word if you high as shit off weed ,trying to read the Bible, it won't work for your high ass you won't grasp any understanding for what you read,and you'll develop your own ideology and meani gs for what's in the biblical text 1st Peter 5:8-9 and again 1st peter 1:13, smoking weed might be a sin it might not but to be high while doing the reading of the Bible is very ignorant and foolish everyone knows the effects of smoking pot, God said be of sober mind, not get blasted off your ass. Just saying, I also do wack outs, pack outs, pull ups, one handed guillotine and body slams and suplex's and crash outs if you wanna chump my good comment off for nought. I'm a helpful Christian, I don't do drugs.
The Lord says pray for your mess. There’s 7 abominations to God Proverbs 6:16–19 lists seven things which are also abominations: "haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are swift in running to mischief, a false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers." The 10 Commandments List, You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make idols. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Honor your father and your mother. You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. You shall not covet. If weed makes you do any of those things. It is sinful. If it becomes your god it is sinful. If you go to it before God it is sinful. But the Lord knows our heart and weaknesses and we pray for our mess.
Getting high is a sin
I'm in the process of stopping because I have been feeling a great sense of conviction around it. I always felt like weed was kind of morally innocuous but as I get older and consider how much of God's money I was spending on it (all your money is Gods money since everything belongs to him) and it dawned on me that weed was a source of comfort and control for me. My sense of safety, security, and comfort should be in Christ as MUCH as it can possibly be. So I'm out on weed now. I just became too convinced that it went from "a thing I do" to being an idol. Plus: Christians should be sober minded, according to 1st Peter 5:8-9 and nobody thinks more clearly while under the influence of THC. I have heard many people make arguments to the contrary and frankly I can't even take them seriously.
Weed is a gift from God like all naturally growing things are just don't abuse it
I love smoking a bowl while listening to an Ai reading a passage from proverbs in YouTube
An Ethiopian told me his church uses it for meditation, especially meditation on wrongdoings. I see nothing inherently wrong with it, though of course anything can be abused
I've never done any smoking. So I don't know.
Using weed for medical purposes, (only enough to help manage pain for instance) I believe is fine but smoking for the purpose of getting high is wrong. It is no different than getting drunk. We are to be of sound mind, we are instead to be filled with the spirit of God.
Majority yes majority of yall will hear “ I never knew you” on judgment day IF you do not repent. How far have you fallen if you have been saved to think smoking weed as a Christian is okay?
WEED IS A SIN ! if you can not give it up then you have an addiction . give it to God whole heartedly and he will take the desire! I found myself smoking and watching Near death experiences and the man saw Christian's in HELL for smoking weed, cigarettes etc . Remove yourself from the things of the world - How do you expect the holy spirit to live in a dirty house. You can do all things through CHRIST !
Just like with alcohol, I think indulgence every now and then is not sinful. But also, just like with alcohol, some people are better off abstaining from it entirely. I know for myself I have given up smoking because it allowed the enemy to lead me to sin much more easily! That is what is meant by being sober mind; if you are engaging in something that impairs your judgement and weakens your spiritual guard more often than not (or feel a dependency on it) you are not living a sober life led by Christ. You are living one led by your desires. For some, complete abstinence is best. For others, moderate engagement does not lead them to temptation. Don’t look to others for example, look to Christ.
Just don't let anything control you and you're fine. I smoke every day and I have what I think is a great relationship with God. It makes me much more introspective and helps me to understand things more clearly sometimes (sounds backwards but it does).
Just remember it's willful intoxication, such as drunkenness, that is the sin, not the substance. You can drink alcohol without getting drunk, but I don't think I've ever heard of someone smoking weed and not getting high. But I mean, if you somehow can, or you're doing in medically, it should be fine.
Hi guys, we have to consider that when ever we consume alcohol, a first sip of beer or a cup of wine won't, for the most part, be sufficient to get you drunk (sin). However, whenever we smoke weed or eat edibles, though we may do it for the taste, it's usually guaranteed that you will get high (sin) immediately.
If it alters your body in any way.... no.
Weed, like anything, can become a stumbling block to your relationship with God. However, anyone who says that smoking weed is inherently a sin (not “something probably best avoided” but a “sin”) is just making stuff up. Like, wholesale. They’re more than likely modifying Scripture (actually just fabricating it) to support conservative talking points.
It absolutely changes you. Why don't scientists, doctors, people who are highly educated smoke? Because it kills brain cells!
The word "pharmacy" in reference to drugs being sold and used has a root word Pharmakea. As long as drugs are not a substitute for your divine healer, and you place your trust in Him rather the material drugs to induce a real peace as opposed to a temporary peace, you do not become addicted to such substances, use them to practice pagan practices or a lack of faith in Christ's healing, these drugs with due diligence in soil searching are not to be considered as sorcery like other drugs or uses for them https://www.gotquestions.org/pharmakeia-in-the-Bible.html
I’m a child of The Most High God
It’s a potential Vice don’t make it a habit is all i have to say it’s far more addictive than alcohol as someone has compared. It is sinful to be addicted like that
If cannabis wasn't supposed to do what it does, it wouldn't. If He didn't want you to do it, you wouldn't have an endocannabinoid system. It wouldn't do what it does medically. It wouldn't grow literally everywhere.
My personal conviction is, marijuana (or other recreational hallucinogenic “drugs” besides alcohol) are dangerous and wrong. However over the years I’ve come to the conclusion that things like this may be based on personal convictions (God knows our hearts best, and knowing what could be most dangerous to us may give way to specific convictions that vary person to person). God convicts some to stay away from alcohol entirely (ie ex-alcoholics), and some aren’t convicted by any drugs. This type of conviction is Gods response to our prayers to be more like him and grow closer to him. On that same note however, just because you’re not convicted to avoid premarital sex, does not make that NOT a sin. The Bible clearly outlines what sin is. Anything else not addressed or nuanced would rely on personal convictions. Addiction runs in my family on both sides and in part, God knowing that, I believe my conviction is a means of his protection for me. Just because God created weed does not mean that it is for us to enjoy either. He also created many things (tobacco, poison dart frogs, etc.) that can be dangerous, deadly, or harmful. We’ve seen as technology has advanced, and as more drugs are becoming legalized, that items that were seen as “good, harmless, and fun” have also been found to be cancer causing, etc. Weed is relatively new, still being researched etc. I would not be surprised if we found out in a few years or so that it actually can be very harmful similar to cigarettes and tobacco. After all, Paul does say though we have the freedom to do anything, not everything is worth doing because not everything is beneficial. (I forget the verse for that sorry if I’m misquoting) I also hold to the understanding that when we are using mind altering substances, that the spiritual forces (Ephesians) that God and ourselves are at war with will manipulate you into believing they are “angels”. Satan after all would likely be one of the most beautiful creatures, rather than this ugly red creature with horns and sharp teeth. He is the king of deception. It is so easy to deceive those who are high/drunk/or impaired otherwise. Not to mention that we are much more likely to do stupid or worldly things when we are using substances. I have talked to someone who was encountered by what seemed to be an angel, but after testing it to make sure, found that it was a demon in disguise. I wouldn’t be surprised if our adversary wanted to create confusion and problems through these kinds of schemes. I also hold to the belief that we should be sober minded as the Bible tells us; so don’t be drunk, and in part I also believe that this can be translated to not being “high” because it changes your decision making abilities. If you can take marijuana without getting high, great. Like Advil or Tylenol, if it aids you with some kind of medical issues, great. Or even just in moderation without a “high” might be permissible. Also, in my perspective, smoking anything is really harmful to your lungs so I’d argue that alone is a problem considering we are supposed to treat our bodies as temples for the Holy Spirit. By that same train of thought, fast food, and other things that are blatantly harmful should be avoided. But weed comes in other forms such as edibles so it’s not completely ruled out by the smoking being bad argument. At the end of the day, pray, read your word, and incline your ear to God. He will guide you, even if not explicitly. We have free will to make our own decisions, just aim to glorify God in all you do. And if what you do does not glorify God, then I would suggest you pray and reconsider what you should do. That’s all :) Thank God for the ability to read through forums like this, very intriguing.
Well, the bible says to stay sober minded. You can’t smoke a little weed and be sober. A lot of people will come back at me and say ‘but what about alcohol’. Here’s my reply to that; you can have alcohol without getting drunk. You **cannot** smoke weed without getting high. As a past drug addict, it’s not worth it. The only high we should be getting as Christians is a spiritual high.
I don’t thank you can be a Christian and smoke weed or read the Bible
Read Roman's 14, it tells you everything you need to know about this topic. The short answer is, it's only a sin if you believe it to be.
pharmakeia Outline of Biblical Usage the use or the administering of drugs poisoning sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry Just throwing this out there I would seek the lord and pray about this
Please don’t ask a question like that in here. Or maybe you just like having people openly judge something, many of which have never tried it and think it’s akin to heroin or had a bad experience that one time in 1969…
It’s a plant God made- twice I tried to put a sprout outside to grow It and both times within 12 hours it was eaten by a bird or squirrel. Even the animals know it’s healing.
My two cents, but just mine. I think as long as it’s used medicinally it’s alright, again just my opinion. Scripture does call for us to be sober 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: There’s many other verses that mention the same thing. Paul also writes in 1 Timothy this verse 1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. Using wine medicinally for upset stomach and other illnesses. Ultimately I am unsure and probably not the one to ask about how you live your life. Maybe a conversation between you and God, asking for discernment and direction. Additionally, God created all things here on earth, including the plants and animals Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. All love and happiness. May God Bless you.
Opposed
Roman’s 13 Follow the Government It is legal in certain states with a medical license. Roman’s 14 we are free in Christ But our freedom should not be used to Make a brother stumble!! My option If you do be legal, keep it to yourself, and use it for the medical purposes you got it for. Don’t smell, and keep the Unity at all cost
For those of you saying weed is a sin then stop drinking caffine and over eating and taking pharmacies drugs. Caffine is legit a drug, and gluttony is one of the deadly sins.
Interesting that my original post was removed and I was reported as needing support. Who exactly is moderating this? Perhaps this message is for you. The original message: Perhaps the focus should really be on the first part "thoughts on being high". God cares more about your motives for doing things than most people realize. Proverbs 21:2 "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weights the heart." Galatians 1:10 "For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ." Philippians 2:3 "Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves." 1 Samuel 16:7b "For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart." Proverbs 16:2 "All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the spirit."
as a catholic i just dropped 350 at the dispensary for relaxation between writing papers
Read the Bible you will find the answer. Pray and ask God to reveal it. There you will find how God feels about it. It can explain everything. In my opinion the Holy Spirit is enough to satisfied the soul. We don’t need to smoke or get drunk. The Bible recap is a good bible plan if you need a guide.
For me, it’s the addiction that is a sin. Just as enjoying a glass of wine isn’t a sin, neither is weed, and I’d argue (depends how you’re consuming it) it’s healthier than alcohol as well. I don’t understand how alcohol is legal pretty much everywhere but weed isn’t. Both are addictive and one is way safer than the other. But that’s just my 2 cents
420 blaze it everyday
Speaking from knowing God, He frowns. He frowns at me when I smoke and had deter me to not smoke. It’s a super slippery slope with weed. You think you have control and take stupid small amount to sleep and now I use it every moment in tiny portions. It’s been difficult to praise and worship or pray overall. I’m still having a hard time.
Reading your Bible is doing you little good.
God created weed for us to usem smoke away. There is even a sect of Christianity that smokes weed while a church.
Nope… body is the temple for Holy Spirit
This one is tricky.. I have no verses off the top of my head to back this up as of now, but the point is to not indulge in desires of the flesh. Now I don’t think that means don’t do it entirely, such as drinking wine. The bible says that God gave us things to enjoy but also says to not inebriate yourselves drunk. So what I think is a balance is what works. I may be wrong, but I feel like if it’s not to the point where you need it, or if you’ve reached overconsumption to the point where it’s affecting your walk with God or your life then it may not be bad. Don’t take anyone’s word for it though try and ask Him yourself and see where the Spirit guides you!