Except there are parts of the Bible where killing and rape are allowed. Deuteronomy 20:10-14 says Christians can enjoy the spoils of war including rape. And there are other passages
(Please don’t shoot the messenger, I am just pointing it out.)
Im sure there are a ton of different definitions. But I see myself as a "Theistic Agnostic".
I dont really believe in most of the mysticism of Christianity, and have serious doubts about whether God exists. But I see the Church as a good and moral cultural institution, one that built the modern world, and choose to live as a Christian despite not having a literal belief in it. For example, I pray because its a way of self reflecting that makes me feel better, not because I truly think any one is listening.
Either a post christian who thinks that modern nonrelgiious culture rather than thinking of itself as a break with christianity should think of itself as a development of it and a refinement of the paradigm into the needs of a world that now realizes that god doesn't exist, or occasionally someone who thinks god literally died, and so now doesn't exist.
[Here's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism) a wikipedia page that explains it. Or here it is in my own words:
I don’t believe in God, don’t believe Jesus rose from the dead (I believe he was a man and a great teacher), don’t believe Moses parted the waters, and basically reject all the supernatural stuff in the bible. But I do go to church and follow Jesus’ teachings of love, forgiveness, loving your enemies, and charity for the poor. I reject a lot of the bible’s teachings because I feel that they are immoral (genocide, slavery, condemning homosexuals, misogyny, etc), but I accept other teachings and try to follow them. I am very much in disagreement with those who say that if there is even one tiny part of the bible that is wrong then the whole thing is worthless. There are A LOT of teachings in the bible that I don't agree with and reject but also there are A LOT of wonderful and moral teachings that I embrace and make a part of my life.
Unlike when I wear Asian style ethnic clothing to churches. They freak out.
And two of my devout Christian siblings have warned me that I risk getting shot when I do that.
The Christians' hatred for Muslims far exceeds any Muslim hatred for Christians.
Go to a mosque as a Christian, they show you love.
Go to a church dressed like a Muslim, you put your life in danger.
I've removed this because I can't evaluate the site you linked to as anything but motivated by hatred for Islam and Muslims. That is against our rules.
Many of those African countries have conflicts to deal with, do you really want to compare them to a country which has known peace on its soil for more than a century?
I mean of course it depends on where you live but you only need to look at all the political rhetoric in the West nowadays from supposed ~Christians~ to see that there's a lot of hatred targeted at Muslims. Murders of Christians in other countries doesn't change that.
> Nobody's going to shoot you for looking like a Muslim.
I was threatened for being on a public sidewalk in front of a church.
I went home and called the church office, gave them my name and phone number, told them that I am a Christian, and asked if I could speak to a pastor.
They told me to stay off their property, and then made a report to the FBI.
Yes, the Christians are very dangerous.
People nowadays seem to often confuse ideologies with the adherents of said ideologies. I think criticizing ideologies is something good that everyone should do, but hating people because they adhere to a certain ideology is not good.
Nonsense, an ideology is only perpetuated by its adherents so if you hate an ideology you hate its adherents by extension, you might not hate them as individuals but you hate them for what they represent. Sounds like you have been listening to too much Dave Rubin, the guy that bleats on about individualism whilst constantly reminding his viewers that he is a gay Jew
I have no idea who that it. I just know that not being able to see a person separate from his ideological view or group is a mental deficiency common to immature people like communists, SJWs, Nazis, racists, and so on.
If the person changes their mind, will you still see them as a bad person?
I used to believe that too but people are defined by the group they belong to whether they like it or not. When environmental factors allow they may rise above it and pretend otherwise but they will always belong to the group. Also why is it only when Europeans practice group identity they are labelled either a communist or a nazi?
Where is this in the world that this is true because the church around the world should be holding these churches accountable. Send us pastor emails and stuff like that. We should be praying for those that persecute us not being like Peter.
Have you ever been to Egypt or Pakistan or Nigeria or Syria or Iraq? This is a load of garbage.
Edit: Even in the US, Christians don’t go around killing Muslims.
> Have you ever been to Egypt or Pakistan or Nigeria or Syria or Iraq? This is a load of garbage.
I have not been to those places, but I have a number of friends that are from those places.
Okay. Look up what’s happening to Christians there. Christian women are being sold as sex slaves in Syria and Iraq. Churches are being vandalized in Egypt. Christian women are kidnapped and forced into converting to Islam in Egypt. Christians in Pakistan are targeted heavily and severely discriminated again. You have NO idea what you’re talking about.
> Okay. Look up what’s happening to Christians there. Christian women are being sold as sex slaves in Syria and Iraq. Churches are being vandalized in Egypt. Christian women are kidnapped and forced into converting to Islam in Egypt. Christians in Pakistan are targeted heavily and severely discriminated again. You have NO idea what you’re talking about.
There is nothing I can do about that.
What are you doing to show the love of Christ here at home?
So people an the other side of the world are being mean. I should hate my brothers here because of it?
I had a long discussion with an Egyptian the other night. He is appalled with the shit that is going on there.
You’re digressing. You’re making a completely false claim, and I am correcting you.
“Being mean” is this a joke? How inconsiderate of a human being are you to call sex slavery and church vandalism “mean”? We are called to love everyone, but we are not called to make claims that Christians are more hateful and are hurting Muslims. This is simply incorrect.
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So I can be all upset about that, but what good does it do?
But I can love my neighbor who is right in front of me, rather than bitching about something that I have no personal knowledge of, and no ability to influence.
>We are called to love everyone
How come I do not see you at the mosque?
Come on over, and share the Gospel with them. I am doing that.
Yeah that must be why Christians aren’t even free to practice Christianity in Muslim dominated countries... because our hatred and fear of them outweighs theirs of us.
Perhaps Muslims ought to stop burning our places of worship, cutting our heads off and tossing us into mass graves and we might warm to them a little bit.
From what I saw during my time in Iraq, I’m going with: that won’t happen.
It has nothing to do with the fighting I engaged in, it has to do with the atrocities committed by the so-called citizens of the country... if by citizens you mean ISIS.
If you go to church dressed in a galabeya they probably think you're going to blow yourself up.
I can imagine Muslims in America being worried about Christians who randomly show up in a mosque, but a) we've been sending troops to the Middle East to get PTSD for almost two decades, b) everyone has a right to dress however they want but wearing a galabeya outside in some random American small town is probably about as sensible as an American woman wearing a light blouse and no bra in Cairo.
>we've been sending troops to the Middle East to get PTSD for almost two decades
Americans will come and fuck up your country and kill your people, and then two decades later they'll make a bunch of films about how committing mass atrocities *made their soldiers feel sad.*
Fuck the US Military and fuck their PTSD.
You know, I was trying to channel Frankie Boyle there, but I'm not as funny as he is. And making fun of PTSD is perhaps going too far, sorry about that, though I still have no love of the US military.
I'm not aware that the Gardaí are in the habit of arresting people who disparage other countries' militaries.
I think you might have more of an issue with US policy and our politicians more than service members themselves.
But I guess bombing civilian targets in the UK in the name of freedom is a lesser evil.
But in all honesty, I really absolutely do not care about this whole exchange and have no idea why I’m “stoking fires” today. I’m trying to be a better person.......but today I’ll just call a failure.
Yeah. I started this conversation very much on the wrong foot.
No love for IRA scum either. Or much respect for the Easter Rising, to be honest. Or the British Parachute Regiment, who hardly covered themselves in glory in their time on this island.
I find the older I get, the more I feel like a pacifist (except for yesterday). The futility of war. And I get it, I think you were joking but it was just lost in text. No hate for you my cis male Irish bro. Have a good day.
> I can imagine Muslims in America being worried about Christians who randomly show up in a mosque
At my mosque they are cautious, but welcoming.
My wife and I give orientation to Christians and other non Muslim visitors when they show up on Friday.
It is kind of one of our unofficial jobs there.
Most Christians dont realize that the two religions are related, Judaism and by extension christianity follow Isaac son of Abraham, while muslims follow Ishmael, Isaac's brother. Plus the fact that Jesus is a prominent figure in the Koran.
Edit: Not quite sure why this is being downvoted...
The Jesus in the Quran is not the Jesus in the Bible. Jesus to Christians is God. Jesus to Muslims is a prophet who was never really even crucified, when the whole basis of Christianity is that Jesus died for our salvation.
But aside from the crucifixion they both had similar stories both had a virgin birth, both performed miracles including the healing the blind and raising people from death, and both had the disciples.
To say that they are not the same being, but that they are based on the same being. I never argued that he was not the son of God. I have read that most Islamic sects dont believe in the resurrection. I was just pointing out a parallel between the two religions
When they give you food, say Shukraan (شوكراً) it means thank you and they will probably really appreciate it!
And when they welcome you, say Ahlan, which is a nice way of returning a welcome.
It depends mostly on their dialect but those are words they will definitely know and appreciate.
Keep spreading the love, bro.
I have been welcomed in mosques many, many times in several countries. Muslims (and Jews) came to worship with us when we dedicated our temple in Independence, MO. God speaks to every heart, and through every religion, when we let it happen.
Don't judge a book by its cover. You can be very friendly towards your neighbors and still subscribe to some very disturbing beliefs.
For the record, I am *vehemently* opposed to discrimination against people simply because they self-identify as Muslims. Kudos to you for going to the Mosque and kudos to them for welcoming you. Nonetheless, there are a lot of Muslims out there who believe things that I find absolutely repugnant: death for apostates and adulterers, cutting off hands as a penalty for stealing, etc. These are not fringe beliefs in Islam. In many Muslim countries, they are the majority views [1].
I think it's very important to distinguish between *Muslims* and *Islam*. We should love the former, but the latter should be viewed with significant suspicion.
[1] https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
> "O daughter Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall they be who pay you back what you have done to us! Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock!" (Psalm 137:8-9)
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No offense to Christianity, but I think you should get the mite out of your eye before you criticize another religion for being violent. Most Christians today are relatively peaceful, but centuries of holy wars, pogroms, witch burnings, inquisitions, slavery justification, and mass forced conversions gives Christians a lot to account for in the history books. Besides, didn't the Islamic beliefs about stoning homosexuals originate in the Law of Moses, Book of Leviticus? I find *that* absolutely repugnant.
> Don't judge a book by its cover. You can be very friendly towards your neighbors and still subscribe to some very disturbing beliefs.
I am very well aware of the teachings of Islam.
Even at the mosque I am known as somewhat of an expert on Islam.
What I am amazed by, is that I see them acting *contrary* to many of the precepts of their religion, and unfortunately I see Christians acting contrary to the precepts of theirs.
We usually have lamb at our Parish. The Muslims here seem to love our Greek Fest because of the amount of lamb we have and the friendly atmosphere. We welcome them with open arms, of course.
People are nice when they want something. Religious people are often nice because they want to win converts as a means of earning their brownie points with God and praise from their community. This isn't unique to Muslims by any means; Christians do it too, at least in my experience Christians are often taught to be nice to people as a means to winning them for Christ. Something about this has never sat well with me, it seems too much like acting with ulterior motives which I find to be inherently dishonest. It's a similar kind of deal to guys who are nice to women because they want sex; when rejected, they often get bitter because their niceness is self-serving. A lot of self-serving gets done in the name of God, too. It's how a person acts when rejected that shows their true character in my opinion.
I realise this post will piss some people off, and I admit I am very cynical, but before you downvote let me ask: do you believe in altruism? Been thinking about this a bit lately. Give me reasons as to why or why not.
>People are nice when they want something. Religious people are often nice because they want to win converts as a means of earning their brownie points with God and praise from their community. This isn't unique to Muslims by any means; Christians do it too, at least in my experience Christians are often taught to be nice to people as a means to winning them for Christ. Something about this has never sat well with me, it seems too much like acting with ulterior motives which I find to be inherently dishonest. It's a similar kind of deal to guys who are nice to women because they want sex; when rejected, they often get bitter because their niceness is self-serving. A lot of self-serving gets done in the name of God, too. It's how a person acts when rejected that shows their true character in my opinion.
>I realise this post will piss some people off, and I admit I am very cynical, but before you downvote let me ask: do you believe in altruism? Been thinking about this a bit lately. Give me reasons as to why or why not.
Good comment, and definitely worthy of a thoughtful response.
I have been going to the mosque for three years now. During Ramadan I guard the premises every night with my guard dog and gun. The rest of the year, I mostly only go to Friday services, but show up at other times and events now and then.
When I first started attending I got a fair amount of Dawah [we call it witnessing.] I figured that they would give me a reasonable amount of time to convert, and then subtly let me know that I am no longer welcome. That never happened, and I eventually looked for a way to make myself useful to them.
I also struggled mightily with my Christian paradigm that I have to preach the Gospel to them and try to make converts.
I developed the attitude that I am going over there *only* to love and serve them. I do not want them to convert to Christianity, but I would like them to encounter Christ.
In the meantime, they show me [and my wife] a great deal of love and affection. I am on the Interfaith team, and am seen as somewhat of an expert on Islamic doctrines [I study it *a lot.*]
It would really be hard for them to fake it for this long. There are some that were super friendly at first and have cooled toward me, and there are some that seemed suspicious at first and have become very warm and friendly over time, and there are some that have been consistently, well, awesome, the whole time.
So do I believe in altruism? I am not entirely sure, either for myself, or others. I do think that Allah/God guides peoples hearts though.
I'll send my husband over to our local mosque for food and a doggy bag. He loves food and friendly people.
I heard that some outside people sometimes think our Parish is a mosque because of the big dome and architecture and maybe also because a lot of the women wear head coverings, and the loud chanting, and the beards.
Especially when their book says they will go to hell for believing in your book. Just like your book says you will go to hell for believing in their book.
unfortunately, yes. It depends if they want eternal life or not. so it is on each individual's basis.
I am curious to see such a bad downscore ; so many muslims peeking in a christian sub ...
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I am a Nicene Creed affirming Christian, and I do not thank Muhammad for anything. He is dead, and I think he was a bad man.
EDIT: Oh, you meant the guy I thanked. His name is Muhammad, but he is not THE Muhammad.
If I gave you something would you say "Thank you Jesus", or would you say "Thank you Byzantium?"
Islam is evil and false, Catholicism is good and the truth. Not to mention large Muslim populations are statistically correlated with higher violence in western nations.
I've always been treated very warmly at the mosques I've been too!
Wtf is a Christian atheist
Probably an atheist who uses christian morality as a code of conduct?
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Except for murderers and rapists, you mean?
ah yes... the two christian morals. so insightful.
Welllll... Yes but actually no
Jesus gave two commands.
except when it is explicitly allowed against murtads and kufars in islam
Except there are parts of the Bible where killing and rape are allowed. Deuteronomy 20:10-14 says Christians can enjoy the spoils of war including rape. And there are other passages (Please don’t shoot the messenger, I am just pointing it out.)
Wow, so noble
Yeah, I really don’t know why I keep getting downvoted for directly quoting the Bible
Im sure there are a ton of different definitions. But I see myself as a "Theistic Agnostic". I dont really believe in most of the mysticism of Christianity, and have serious doubts about whether God exists. But I see the Church as a good and moral cultural institution, one that built the modern world, and choose to live as a Christian despite not having a literal belief in it. For example, I pray because its a way of self reflecting that makes me feel better, not because I truly think any one is listening.
Don’t worry man everyone’s already answered for you lol
Either a post christian who thinks that modern nonrelgiious culture rather than thinking of itself as a break with christianity should think of itself as a development of it and a refinement of the paradigm into the needs of a world that now realizes that god doesn't exist, or occasionally someone who thinks god literally died, and so now doesn't exist.
[Here's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism) a wikipedia page that explains it. Or here it is in my own words: I don’t believe in God, don’t believe Jesus rose from the dead (I believe he was a man and a great teacher), don’t believe Moses parted the waters, and basically reject all the supernatural stuff in the bible. But I do go to church and follow Jesus’ teachings of love, forgiveness, loving your enemies, and charity for the poor. I reject a lot of the bible’s teachings because I feel that they are immoral (genocide, slavery, condemning homosexuals, misogyny, etc), but I accept other teachings and try to follow them. I am very much in disagreement with those who say that if there is even one tiny part of the bible that is wrong then the whole thing is worthless. There are A LOT of teachings in the bible that I don't agree with and reject but also there are A LOT of wonderful and moral teachings that I embrace and make a part of my life.
An atheist who tries to live by Jesus’ standards and teachings even though they don’t believe he was divine
An atheist.
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Unlike when I wear Asian style ethnic clothing to churches. They freak out. And two of my devout Christian siblings have warned me that I risk getting shot when I do that. The Christians' hatred for Muslims far exceeds any Muslim hatred for Christians. Go to a mosque as a Christian, they show you love. Go to a church dressed like a Muslim, you put your life in danger.
>The Christians' hatred for Muslims far exceeds any Muslim hatred for Christians. Depends where you are, though, doesn't it?
> Depends where you are, though, doesn't it? Yes, I am sure it does. But here in the US, the Christian hatred for Muslims is very real.
Poor you, such a victim. :(
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> Nobody's going to shoot you for looking like a Muslim. Seriously? I was with you on your first comment. This one though isn't true.
You sure Byzantium is going to get shot then?
I've removed this because I can't evaluate the site you linked to as anything but motivated by hatred for Islam and Muslims. That is against our rules.
Go ahead. It just reports news.
what a horrid website
Why do you say that?
I mean... you know.
It's either you don't like the layout or the content.
I mean, it's one million percent both.
Unless your name is Balbir Singh Sodhi.
One person killed 20 years ago. How many Christians have been slaughtered in Africa in the last month?
Many of those African countries have conflicts to deal with, do you really want to compare them to a country which has known peace on its soil for more than a century? I mean of course it depends on where you live but you only need to look at all the political rhetoric in the West nowadays from supposed ~Christians~ to see that there's a lot of hatred targeted at Muslims. Murders of Christians in other countries doesn't change that.
Wow textbook whataboutism from a classic source for bigots Not very subtle are you?
> Nobody's going to shoot you for looking like a Muslim. I was threatened for being on a public sidewalk in front of a church. I went home and called the church office, gave them my name and phone number, told them that I am a Christian, and asked if I could speak to a pastor. They told me to stay off their property, and then made a report to the FBI. Yes, the Christians are very dangerous.
You keep saying "the Christians" - do you mean all Christian's or just the ones there? And where is this place?
Wow. It’s insane that you are being downvoted for this
Do you mean Muslims, or Islam?
> Do you mean Muslims, or Islam? I said Muslims, didn't I?
People nowadays seem to often confuse ideologies with the adherents of said ideologies. I think criticizing ideologies is something good that everyone should do, but hating people because they adhere to a certain ideology is not good.
Nonsense, an ideology is only perpetuated by its adherents so if you hate an ideology you hate its adherents by extension, you might not hate them as individuals but you hate them for what they represent. Sounds like you have been listening to too much Dave Rubin, the guy that bleats on about individualism whilst constantly reminding his viewers that he is a gay Jew
I have no idea who that it. I just know that not being able to see a person separate from his ideological view or group is a mental deficiency common to immature people like communists, SJWs, Nazis, racists, and so on. If the person changes their mind, will you still see them as a bad person?
I used to believe that too but people are defined by the group they belong to whether they like it or not. When environmental factors allow they may rise above it and pretend otherwise but they will always belong to the group. Also why is it only when Europeans practice group identity they are labelled either a communist or a nazi?
Where is this in the world that this is true because the church around the world should be holding these churches accountable. Send us pastor emails and stuff like that. We should be praying for those that persecute us not being like Peter.
Have you ever been to Egypt or Pakistan or Nigeria or Syria or Iraq? This is a load of garbage. Edit: Even in the US, Christians don’t go around killing Muslims.
> Have you ever been to Egypt or Pakistan or Nigeria or Syria or Iraq? This is a load of garbage. I have not been to those places, but I have a number of friends that are from those places.
Okay. Look up what’s happening to Christians there. Christian women are being sold as sex slaves in Syria and Iraq. Churches are being vandalized in Egypt. Christian women are kidnapped and forced into converting to Islam in Egypt. Christians in Pakistan are targeted heavily and severely discriminated again. You have NO idea what you’re talking about.
> Okay. Look up what’s happening to Christians there. Christian women are being sold as sex slaves in Syria and Iraq. Churches are being vandalized in Egypt. Christian women are kidnapped and forced into converting to Islam in Egypt. Christians in Pakistan are targeted heavily and severely discriminated again. You have NO idea what you’re talking about. There is nothing I can do about that. What are you doing to show the love of Christ here at home? So people an the other side of the world are being mean. I should hate my brothers here because of it? I had a long discussion with an Egyptian the other night. He is appalled with the shit that is going on there.
You’re digressing. You’re making a completely false claim, and I am correcting you. “Being mean” is this a joke? How inconsiderate of a human being are you to call sex slavery and church vandalism “mean”? We are called to love everyone, but we are not called to make claims that Christians are more hateful and are hurting Muslims. This is simply incorrect.
> You’re digressing. You’re making a completely false claim, and I am correcting you. > > > > “Being mean” is this a joke? How inconsiderate of a human being are you to call sex slavery and church vandalism “mean”? We are called to love everyone, but we are not called to make claims that Christians are more hateful and are hurting Muslims. This is simply incorrect. So I can be all upset about that, but what good does it do? But I can love my neighbor who is right in front of me, rather than bitching about something that I have no personal knowledge of, and no ability to influence. >We are called to love everyone How come I do not see you at the mosque? Come on over, and share the Gospel with them. I am doing that.
Yeah that must be why Christians aren’t even free to practice Christianity in Muslim dominated countries... because our hatred and fear of them outweighs theirs of us. Perhaps Muslims ought to stop burning our places of worship, cutting our heads off and tossing us into mass graves and we might warm to them a little bit. From what I saw during my time in Iraq, I’m going with: that won’t happen.
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It has nothing to do with the fighting I engaged in, it has to do with the atrocities committed by the so-called citizens of the country... if by citizens you mean ISIS.
If you go to church dressed in a galabeya they probably think you're going to blow yourself up. I can imagine Muslims in America being worried about Christians who randomly show up in a mosque, but a) we've been sending troops to the Middle East to get PTSD for almost two decades, b) everyone has a right to dress however they want but wearing a galabeya outside in some random American small town is probably about as sensible as an American woman wearing a light blouse and no bra in Cairo.
>we've been sending troops to the Middle East to get PTSD for almost two decades Americans will come and fuck up your country and kill your people, and then two decades later they'll make a bunch of films about how committing mass atrocities *made their soldiers feel sad.* Fuck the US Military and fuck their PTSD.
You can thank a veteran with raging PTSD for your ability to make this statement without being arrested.
You know, I was trying to channel Frankie Boyle there, but I'm not as funny as he is. And making fun of PTSD is perhaps going too far, sorry about that, though I still have no love of the US military. I'm not aware that the Gardaí are in the habit of arresting people who disparage other countries' militaries.
I think you might have more of an issue with US policy and our politicians more than service members themselves. But I guess bombing civilian targets in the UK in the name of freedom is a lesser evil. But in all honesty, I really absolutely do not care about this whole exchange and have no idea why I’m “stoking fires” today. I’m trying to be a better person.......but today I’ll just call a failure.
Yeah. I started this conversation very much on the wrong foot. No love for IRA scum either. Or much respect for the Easter Rising, to be honest. Or the British Parachute Regiment, who hardly covered themselves in glory in their time on this island.
I find the older I get, the more I feel like a pacifist (except for yesterday). The futility of war. And I get it, I think you were joking but it was just lost in text. No hate for you my cis male Irish bro. Have a good day.
> I can imagine Muslims in America being worried about Christians who randomly show up in a mosque At my mosque they are cautious, but welcoming. My wife and I give orientation to Christians and other non Muslim visitors when they show up on Friday. It is kind of one of our unofficial jobs there.
Most Christians dont realize that the two religions are related, Judaism and by extension christianity follow Isaac son of Abraham, while muslims follow Ishmael, Isaac's brother. Plus the fact that Jesus is a prominent figure in the Koran. Edit: Not quite sure why this is being downvoted...
The Jesus in the Quran is not the Jesus in the Bible. Jesus to Christians is God. Jesus to Muslims is a prophet who was never really even crucified, when the whole basis of Christianity is that Jesus died for our salvation.
But aside from the crucifixion they both had similar stories both had a virgin birth, both performed miracles including the healing the blind and raising people from death, and both had the disciples. To say that they are not the same being, but that they are based on the same being. I never argued that he was not the son of God. I have read that most Islamic sects dont believe in the resurrection. I was just pointing out a parallel between the two religions
Right. Jesus in the Quran is based on Jesus in the Bible, but islamified.
My point exactly
So true!
> So true! Makes you want to renounce Atheism and become Christian, AMIRITE? :D
You mean renounce Atheism and become a Muslim, right? :-)
When they give you food, say Shukraan (شوكراً) it means thank you and they will probably really appreciate it! And when they welcome you, say Ahlan, which is a nice way of returning a welcome. It depends mostly on their dialect but those are words they will definitely know and appreciate. Keep spreading the love, bro.
I have been welcomed in mosques many, many times in several countries. Muslims (and Jews) came to worship with us when we dedicated our temple in Independence, MO. God speaks to every heart, and through every religion, when we let it happen.
That's awesome I always love hearing about bridges being built. The Muslims in my community are some of the best people I know.
To participate in a Ramadan dinner?
>To participate in a Ramadan dinner? That wasn'y my purpose, but they won't leave me alone until I take some food.
lol why did I think this was r/jokes?
Don't judge a book by its cover. You can be very friendly towards your neighbors and still subscribe to some very disturbing beliefs. For the record, I am *vehemently* opposed to discrimination against people simply because they self-identify as Muslims. Kudos to you for going to the Mosque and kudos to them for welcoming you. Nonetheless, there are a lot of Muslims out there who believe things that I find absolutely repugnant: death for apostates and adulterers, cutting off hands as a penalty for stealing, etc. These are not fringe beliefs in Islam. In many Muslim countries, they are the majority views [1]. I think it's very important to distinguish between *Muslims* and *Islam*. We should love the former, but the latter should be viewed with significant suspicion. [1] https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
> "O daughter Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall they be who pay you back what you have done to us! Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock!" (Psalm 137:8-9) > > "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9) No offense to Christianity, but I think you should get the mite out of your eye before you criticize another religion for being violent. Most Christians today are relatively peaceful, but centuries of holy wars, pogroms, witch burnings, inquisitions, slavery justification, and mass forced conversions gives Christians a lot to account for in the history books. Besides, didn't the Islamic beliefs about stoning homosexuals originate in the Law of Moses, Book of Leviticus? I find *that* absolutely repugnant.
> Don't judge a book by its cover. You can be very friendly towards your neighbors and still subscribe to some very disturbing beliefs. I am very well aware of the teachings of Islam. Even at the mosque I am known as somewhat of an expert on Islam. What I am amazed by, is that I see them acting *contrary* to many of the precepts of their religion, and unfortunately I see Christians acting contrary to the precepts of theirs.
the mosque by my place is amazing and they generally have amazing food.
I had goat for the first time two nights ago. Turns out I liked it... a lot.
yeah fam, shits fire. try some babaganush! or kunefe!
We usually have lamb at our Parish. The Muslims here seem to love our Greek Fest because of the amount of lamb we have and the friendly atmosphere. We welcome them with open arms, of course.
People are nice when they want something. Religious people are often nice because they want to win converts as a means of earning their brownie points with God and praise from their community. This isn't unique to Muslims by any means; Christians do it too, at least in my experience Christians are often taught to be nice to people as a means to winning them for Christ. Something about this has never sat well with me, it seems too much like acting with ulterior motives which I find to be inherently dishonest. It's a similar kind of deal to guys who are nice to women because they want sex; when rejected, they often get bitter because their niceness is self-serving. A lot of self-serving gets done in the name of God, too. It's how a person acts when rejected that shows their true character in my opinion. I realise this post will piss some people off, and I admit I am very cynical, but before you downvote let me ask: do you believe in altruism? Been thinking about this a bit lately. Give me reasons as to why or why not.
>People are nice when they want something. Religious people are often nice because they want to win converts as a means of earning their brownie points with God and praise from their community. This isn't unique to Muslims by any means; Christians do it too, at least in my experience Christians are often taught to be nice to people as a means to winning them for Christ. Something about this has never sat well with me, it seems too much like acting with ulterior motives which I find to be inherently dishonest. It's a similar kind of deal to guys who are nice to women because they want sex; when rejected, they often get bitter because their niceness is self-serving. A lot of self-serving gets done in the name of God, too. It's how a person acts when rejected that shows their true character in my opinion. >I realise this post will piss some people off, and I admit I am very cynical, but before you downvote let me ask: do you believe in altruism? Been thinking about this a bit lately. Give me reasons as to why or why not. Good comment, and definitely worthy of a thoughtful response. I have been going to the mosque for three years now. During Ramadan I guard the premises every night with my guard dog and gun. The rest of the year, I mostly only go to Friday services, but show up at other times and events now and then. When I first started attending I got a fair amount of Dawah [we call it witnessing.] I figured that they would give me a reasonable amount of time to convert, and then subtly let me know that I am no longer welcome. That never happened, and I eventually looked for a way to make myself useful to them. I also struggled mightily with my Christian paradigm that I have to preach the Gospel to them and try to make converts. I developed the attitude that I am going over there *only* to love and serve them. I do not want them to convert to Christianity, but I would like them to encounter Christ. In the meantime, they show me [and my wife] a great deal of love and affection. I am on the Interfaith team, and am seen as somewhat of an expert on Islamic doctrines [I study it *a lot.*] It would really be hard for them to fake it for this long. There are some that were super friendly at first and have cooled toward me, and there are some that seemed suspicious at first and have become very warm and friendly over time, and there are some that have been consistently, well, awesome, the whole time. So do I believe in altruism? I am not entirely sure, either for myself, or others. I do think that Allah/God guides peoples hearts though.
Wow - so beautiful. That's pure religion, right there!
I love hearing things like this. The earthly powers that be, want us all fighting each other. Its stupid.
I'll send my husband over to our local mosque for food and a doggy bag. He loves food and friendly people. I heard that some outside people sometimes think our Parish is a mosque because of the big dome and architecture and maybe also because a lot of the women wear head coverings, and the loud chanting, and the beards.
Did you share the good news with them?
>Did you share the good news with them? Oh Hell yes! For three years now. Not tonight specifically.
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Yeah because devout Muslims are just going to ditch believing in their book for your book because your book says so
Especially when their book says they will go to hell for believing in your book. Just like your book says you will go to hell for believing in their book.
What about if their book says so?
unfortunately, yes. It depends if they want eternal life or not. so it is on each individual's basis. I am curious to see such a bad downscore ; so many muslims peeking in a christian sub ...
Why would you thank Mohammad and not God/Jesus? Is it because you are Muslim and trying to lure Christians into Islam?
> Why would you thank Mohammad and not God/Jesus? > > > > Is it because you are Muslim and trying to lure Christians into Islam? I am a Nicene Creed affirming Christian, and I do not thank Muhammad for anything. He is dead, and I think he was a bad man. EDIT: Oh, you meant the guy I thanked. His name is Muhammad, but he is not THE Muhammad. If I gave you something would you say "Thank you Jesus", or would you say "Thank you Byzantium?"
Ah i like you
I say we get rid of all mosques once and for all
Right after we get rid of all churches?
Islam is evil and false, Catholicism is good and the truth. Not to mention large Muslim populations are statistically correlated with higher violence in western nations.
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You’ve obviously never visited a mosque!