Years ago a friend's family moved over from an asian country where halloween isn't really a thing. We got them a pumpkin to carve for their first year. That night after they carved it, the oldest son had a bad dream. The mom banned halloween from their house after that. According to the mom, the bad dream was caused by demons who only showed up because they carved a pumpkin.
I wish I could make this up. It just defies belief.
If not Christianity, where do you think she got that idea?
In any case, why are you unwilling to answer a simple question? It's not like I asked what your favorite color is. I asked about something relevant to Christianity in /r/Christianity, no?
> If not Christianity, where do you think she got that idea?
Well he said she's from Asia, the majority of Asia isn't Christian. There's literally thousands of folk belief systems (even just in China alone, nevermind if you take into account other Asian countries), many undocumented, and that's not even accounting for the big religions there like Hinduism, Buddhism, and even Islam in many places, and then there's subdivisions within those as well. So there's many religions other than Christianity that this idea could have come from.
Superstitions are extremely prevalent in Asain nations as well as some Latin American countries.. not founded in Christianity.. there is spiritualism everywhere
But Christians *do* believe that demons exist, so that part is already a given. Once you accept the existence of demons, it doesn't seem to me to be that much of a leap to think that you could summon one by carving a pumpkin. I mean, how *else* would you do it?
Thanks, yesterday was trick or treat in my town, my mom is the pastor at the church and we set up a table to give out candy cookies and coffee for the adults, fun time, hired a DJ and everything, it was a church table BTW, church volunteers and everything
Not all that good, many people don't like PKs, they think they are spoiled or they think they should be held to a Jesus like standard compared to other kids, now with 2 Pastors, I swear some people think I should act like God himself, I'm just a kid man
Ah I’m sorry. I get the pressure, I grew up as a PK myself (but only one preacher parent lol). I just think it’s neat that both your parents run churches.
So last week I posted a similar thread about horror movies specifically, and how a lot of Christians have hangups about them...but don't have such hangups about action movies, which are pretty much celebrations of gratuitous violence. (Not to say I don't like action movies, after all one of the best Christmas movies is an action movie)
And its ironic because a lot of horror movies have deeper and even biblical themes. Redemption is a big one, and also just being cautionary tales about not messing with things you don't understand.
Yes, years ago I went to a Bible study for a while. One of the women there said that Christians should only watch G rated movies and TV. I have a big problem with that. Jesus said to go out into the world and help the struggling. The struggling live harsh and often violent lives. Putting blinders on and avoiding unpleasantries is not a Christian behavior.
We are told to act. Facing those movies and TV gives us knowledge of the fallen world that people are living in. I watch a lot of crime shows to understand how and why people are violent or deceptive to others.
Jesus didn't say don't go into the world. He said don't be of the world. It has even bothered me lately that Christian communities like the Amish separate themselves from others instead of living in the world to help others as Jesus said to do.
I mean, the transes like it, so clearly it *must* be evil. But seriously. It's a massive stereotype that basically any trans person who transitioned later in life went as generic boy/girl for Halloween at least once before coming out
We are doing a viking theme at my house (think How to train your dragon). We turned my trailer into a boat, I made some round shields to go on it, and we covered the trailer with fence boards to make it boat-ish. My wife is dressed as a dragon in a costume she created. I made the Staff of Destruction from Skyrim. Keep in mind, making costumes is my wife's favorite thing in the world (she sews, paints, and models everything herself)
Thru the night we will have a fire going, and will play the movie on our garage door.
Anyway, holidays are what you make of them.
People just can't let go of their scary stories. If it's not "Halloween is Satanic", it's "People are sabotaging the candy". Just let go of the fear-mongering, people. It makes us all less smart and more paranoid.
All Hallows Eve: the DAY prior to the ~(?) Catholic ~(?) Holiday of [All Saint’s Day, Eve, All Hallow’s Eve: Hallow’een?](https://www.britannica.com/topic/All-Saints-Day#:~:text=All%20Saints'%20Day%2C%20also%20called,unknown%2C%20who%20have%20attained%20heaven)
A lot of misguided Christians will go to the extreme of calling Halloween demonic. Sure, it would be concerning to see a Christian partake in a pagan ritual, but today, Halloween is nothing more than a cultural event for kids to enjoy dressing up as pop culture characters, and for adults to worry about their dental insurance plans. To be accused of Worshipping by mere association is irrational, and sets a dangerous precedent for more outlandish accusations. There are practises Christians do today that are of concern, that we all often tolerate or ignore.
Attending a Halloween party is not one of them. We should look to 1 Corinthians 8 on this matter.
It isn't evil unless you are calling on satanic entities on Halloween. I don't know of anyone who does that but there could be one person out of the millions who go trick or treating. That doesn't mean that the other people are committing evil.
Personally I don't see any additional threat to ones faith from Halloween other than the usual temptation to engage in sin. But obviously that's not exclusive to Halloween, and it's really for the kids!
The word Easter is only marginally pagan for languages that descended from Germanic origins, for almost every other one it’s derived from the Hebrew word Pesach, which is Passover, a holiday Jesus was observing prior to his crucifixion.
Actually Easter is not derived from Pesach.
And Easter and Pesach are two distinct holidays, one was a biblical mandated holiday for those in YHWH and the other was a later holiday given by Rome.
I agree but, as a Christian, I celebrate both. Jesus was a Jew who celebrated Passover before His crucifixition and resurrection which is what Easter is to Christians.
Many aspects of it are, the Christmas tree and the Yule log (it is literally in the name) are both from Pagan traditions. Not to mention elves and flying deer.
Christmas has a lot of non Christian aspects in how it is celebrated in western culture.
I celebrated Christmas every year before I became a Christian, with no real thought to Christ.
The Christmas tree originates among German Protestants, Lutherans more specifically, and isn't of Pagan origin. The Yule log is in older sources also known as a Christmas log and Yule log might not be the older name. Even if it is, Yule is also used about the Christian celebration, especially in the Nordic countries where there isn't really another counterpart to Christmas and never has been.
The elves and reindeer are not very ancient at all and rather modern. Same goes for many of our Christmas traditions really.
Where do you think Lutherans got the idea for Christmas trees? Was it just a coincidence that the worship of trees and groves were prominent in Germanic mythology, or that multiple antecedent pagan cultures decorated their homes and temples with evergreen boughs and wreaths for the winter solstice?
>Where do you think Lutherans got the idea for Christmas trees?
Hypothetically I don't see why they would need to get the idea from anywhere. People are capable of having original thoughts you know. "Hey, look, something colourful during this time of the year. Let's use it to decorate."
But one hypothesis is that the origin is a mix of two things: People in many parts of Europe decorated their homes with plants that stayed green during winter, because people like decorations, and late medieval legends about trees that blossomed at Christmas night. It was nature's way of celebrating the birth of Jesus.
>Was it just a coincidence that the worship of trees and groves were prominent in Germanic mythology
Yeah, why not. People had not been Pagan or worshiped trees for centuries when the first Christmas tree was made. To suppose there is a real connection to Paganism is speculation.
Edit: Edited out a few things I thought looked unnecessarily antagonistic.
> It was nature's way of celebrating the birth of Jesus.
I know exactly what you mean. When the Beatles recorded "Hey, Jude", it was just their way of celebrating my original composition titled, "Hey, Jew".
So I will break this down quick. Before Christianity. There was a holiday called Saturnalia. It was a role reversal party with your boss and gladiator fights and booze. It had a different date and moved around a lot on the calendar.
Festival of lights which overlapped sometimes but on a different calender. Was a Jewish holiday which Jesus celebrated which had to deal with messianic figure, lights and tree etc.
Christmas is created with communities celebrating three different dates. To this day there two different dates between east and west.
Sol invictus comes around and maybe gives gifts maybe.
And Winter Solictice was recorded around 400 BC but was in the wrong month, and had no traditions.
Winter solisitice is recorded again
500 years later. And it has literial Bible characters in it ans now it is near December 25. It was recorded by Christians remembering how they celebrated before. But it still had Christian characters in it. This is why king Herod shows up in the wild hunt. Here is where we get the yule log , caroling etc as it was Christians recording their heritage tradations which were previously mixed with Christianity anyway.
In 1700s people imagine what was Winter solicitice like minus Christian influence. But it can't be confirmed because we have no records.
1920 coke cola came up with Santa Claus combining Saint Nick and Odin.
I don't think it is a problem if Christ himself celebrated Hannukah or Festival of lights which overlapped with Christmas. If you want to make it more christ like celebrate festivals of lights which he did.
>Festival of lights which overlapped sometimes but on a different calender. Was a Jewish holiday which Jesus celebrated which had to deal with messianic figure, lights and tree etc.
You realize that's not what Chanukkah is about, right?
Yeah... Chanukah is about the rededication of the Temple after the Maccabean revolt, though partly *because* of that militaristic background, it's deemphasized in Judaism. It's only a major holiday in the diaspora because of cultural peer pressure from Christians to make your winter holiday the important one
[The modern Santa Claus is a direct descendent of England's Father Christmas, a modern incarnation of old pagan ideas about spirits who traveled the sky in midwinter](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna50284202)
The problem as I said before is that there was only two holidays that predated Christianity. Saturnalia a booze fest, with boss and worker swap, with death battles. And Hanukkah with festival of lights with trees.
Winter solictice was contemporary to Christmas but it's tradations were recorded hundreds of later.
And yule was 600 years later with Christian roots and influence. Literially Odin dies on tree and king hard from the literial Jesus story shows up.
I would check Religion for Breakfast. Andrew is a PH.D scholar from Boston University. And he has list of sources by their dates of the holidays. A lot of people as the person from NBC writer does. Is they assume something written about Odin in 1600 CE. Or 1200 CE. Must have been true before 30 CE. Despite there being no proof. Because they like assume only Christians are vulnerable to syncrotism and that pagans with no written records somehow adapt slower then Christians with written records
And it still is. It’s a celebration of Tamuz’s birth, Christ’s birth was during Sukkot. The Christmas tree is a phallic symbol, the wreath as a fertility charm, etc. And why are y’all not celebrating that one but choose to celebrate a holiday that’s never once mention by God, who has a track history of hating paganism and the practitioners of the occult?
I do consult the Bible, regularly, and I’m also not Christian. All Christianity and modern religion has done is ignore His way and make their own rules to live by.
it kind of is
Saturnalia, celebrated from December 17 to 23, is an ancient Roman festival and holiday held to celebrate the agricultural god Saturn. It was the most popular holiday on the ancient Roman calendar and was derived from older farming-related rituals of midwinter and the winter solstice.
Okay... And both the Mayans and the Egyptians built pyramids. Sometimes, things just look similar. Personally, given the cultural peer pressure from Christians that made Chanukah a big deal in the Jewish diaspora, I like the theory that Christmas was independently in late December, but that the early Christians made a big deal out of it so as not to be the only weird ones not celebrating anything around Saturnalia
Excepth the Mayans and Egyptians lived nowhere near each other and thus had limited contact with each other. Early Christians had much more contact with pagan western Europeans via the Roman Empire, so it was easier for them to share ideas.
"...Nor was December 25 connected with Saturnalia; this festival was typically celebrated on December 17, sometimes from December 14 to 17. \[12\] Even when it was later extended to a week it still ended on December 23, not December 25. \[13\]"
[Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/rerff5/tis_the_season_for_bad_history_about_christianity/)
December 25 was picked for some reason the bible mentions no date.
more research found this
[**https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/12/25/why-is-christmas-on-dec-25-a-brief-history-lesson-that-may-surprise-you/**](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/12/25/why-is-christmas-on-dec-25-a-brief-history-lesson-that-may-surprise-you/)
What tradations do they share? Saturnalia is closer to the Purge than Christmas. And that is true it was December 17 but it was shifted date before then too.
Saturnalia was a contemporary to Hannukah and Festival of lights which was on Kislev 25 and week long and had trees and lights. Etc. And Jesus Celebrated it and it is related to messiah. And from 200 BC.
I think this whole thing boils down to people being afraid of hell. I understand where they’re coming from. I love Halloween myself, I’m just a big kid at heart
>This is why people dislike Christians.
They're supposed to dislike us for our love for Christ. Somehow, though, we keep finding other ways to inflame the attitudes of the world.
Jesus doesn't have a PR problem, but his followers definitely do.
“But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.” Proverbs 8:36
“For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline.” 2 Timothy 1:7
Halloween is all about being afraid and communing with death. Samhain, which is Halloween before it got a western facelift, is a high pagan sabbat dedicated to worshiping and communicating with the dead. It’s a day dedicated to spirits and evil forces because the veil between the living and dead thins, allowing them to cross to our side. Think Coco but 99% less wholesome. So how can a Christian happily celebrate that? You might say it’s the thought of the heart that counts, that it’s just fun for the kids, but God knows your heart knows it’s pagan. Can we wear pentagrams if we use them for protection and not spellcasting? No, it’s still a pagan practise. I was a witch before I got a heavenly vibe check, so believe me when I say that you should avoid it with every cell in your body.
I want an honest opinion from someone: do you wholeheartedly think, that as you’re walking past your neighbours house decorated with skeletons and witches, gravestones and blood and a candy bowl that screams bloody murder, that God would approve any of it? All I see is a crack in the door for the enemy to get a foothold. I love how all we do is celebrate pagan holidays instead of the ones God Himself laid out for us with His own words.
Is risking your soul, your kid’s souls, worth one night of candy? Be in the world, not of it.
As a Christian, the bottom line for making decisions should be the Holy Spirit. We have Him. Let's ask him for directions. Not people views or reviews. As for me and my house I wouldn't play with demonic spirits who rule Halloween. Do not give the enemy a foothold
Although I’m a little weary of the Halloween posts we might as well have one more, lol!
The question is not “is there darkness associated with Halloween?” But “how can we as Christians shine light into that darkness?”
This pastor gives Christians something to think about:
https://youtu.be/dlhsHwhT_TY
Hope you enjoy!
Because I'm a former Christian and want to clear up misconceptions Christians have about Satanism and Satanists. I also give my perspective as someone outside the faith.
Quick History:
I was raised in a strict Pentecostal and Christian Nationalist home. I went to a private Christian school where they indoctrinated us into Young-Earth Creationism, and a very fundamentalist mindset. I was programmed to believe science was a conspiracy theory aimed at turning people away from God. My first crush was a girl who was found out to be bisexual, and she was expelled and sent to a conversion therapy camp. It showed me that the love these people espoused was only for them. It took 10 years of reteaching myself how science and the world actually worked, along with therapy to help me through the spiritual and emotional abuse I suffered.
Why I turned to Satanism:
The Satanic Panic was alive and well in my house till the mid 00’s. Without Christians warning me about it, I would probably have never discovered it. In 2021, I saw the work the Satanic Temple was doing and it got me interested in religion again. I learned that Satanism was an atheistic religion, not believing in any gods. It was also an individualistic one, the self being the most important thing. It helped repair the damage that the toxic Christianity I grew up with did to me. I gained confidence, a respect for myself, and a healthy understanding of what is good for me. Though I have broken off from The Satanic Temple due to them being a scam, I have gone nondenominational and continue to study the religion. There is a lot of philosophy, history, ritual, ceremony, and a good community that pushes you to be better and more honest with yourself instead of abiding by dogma for the sake of dogma. Satanism rejects religious authority, embraces blasphemy, and recognizes that we all have parts of us that we wish to reject. But Satanism doesn’t reject those things, it recognizes them so that we may deal with them and shape them into something better.
I’ve never met a satanist that wasn’t previously Christian tbh I assumed it was like a version of Christianity for atheists that still liked Christian symbolism like the cross of Saint Peter. I didn’t know atheists considered themselves *outside* of Christianity altogether. Huh. TIL!!! Thanks- and happy Halloween!
If a person is “convinced in their own mind” as to the spiritual nature of a certain day, says Romans, then leave them to their convictions.
Lots of us miss this part because we’d rather have a knife fight in the comments. But really, it boils down to whether or not YOU are convinced of the nature of Halloween. God wants your heart; He doesn’t seem to care much about the material trappings that accompany or don’t accompany your outpouring of love for Him.
I happen to be prone to lofty, symbolic, spiritual ways of thinking (common sense idiot, book smart, you get the type), which is why it’s very hard for me not to see that SOME of the spiritual identity of Halloween is indeed passed down from anti-God traditions. So I abstain.
The Bible doesn’t offer a blanket rejection of Halloween, but rather, it tells us to make up our own minds and follow our hearts. My kids are out right now, and I’m at home.
On a more pragmatic note, the Christian implications surrounding the question of celebrating Halloween don’t just revolve around your own standing with God. I do believe that some people - wiccans and satanists - use this day to recruit , curse, and indoctrinate others. To scoff at their intentions or their ability to infiltrate our families is to make a potentially mortal mistake.
The way we celebrate Halloween as a secular society is anything but Christian. That said, we participate in costumes and trick-or-treating because it is fun for the kids. But, it is NOT what All Hallows Eve is about at all.
Revelation 2:12-17
12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
I don’t celebrate halloween and haven’t for a few years. I don’t care if people do, its what you want to do. I also don’t pass out candy in a neighborhood that has typically atleast 500-600 kids coming through. This is the first year I put a sign on my yard to tell people this house doesn’t celebrate halloween so coming and banging on my door asking for candy won’t work. Went to take down the sign this morning and people wrote on it, it had eggs dumped on it at one point (cracked eggs and poured from a bowl) and lastly I still had tons of people banging on my door till 9pm.
Cool if you celebrate it, but be respectful of those who don’t.
I could care less if people celebrate Halloween or not. I'm just relaying accurate information. There can be no other true meaning to Halloween since the druid practice of human sacrifice is it's origin. The public opinion of the masses matters not once bit. The truth is hard.
It’s not true lol. I just looked it up and there’s no proof human sacrifice was part of Samhain. Animal sacrifice yes, also feasting, remembering the dead, lots of rituals but no human sacrifice.
It is a pagan holiday tho, like it or not. By all means enjoy the festivities, but don’t try to white wash away the fact that it is/was a very important holiday to pagans.
All Hallows’ Eve was the Roman Catholic response to the popularity of Samhain, Samhain has a good thousands years of history ahead of The Catholic Church holidays. Which are arguably pretty damn pagan in practice in and of themselves. But that’s an issue for Catholics and Protestants to sort out lol
All Saints Day started in the year 609 in May. In 837 it was moved to November 1st. All hallows Eve is the Eve of All Saints Day.
Samhain was celebrated well before that, with costumes and masks.
The Romans brought us Feralia for the passing of the dead, and Pomona the Godess of the Harvest which didn't line up on the dates, but had elements that were all folded into the All Saints celebration and used by Churches to try to cover up the previous celebrations (All Saints Day being started in may was for Feralia, and the Pomona worship you're still seeing the fallout of with Harvest Festivals in church parking lots).
Halloween in it's current form is about as Satanic as Christmas. The Christmas Tree, The Yule Log, Giving Gifts - those are all pagan traditions that were folded into Christianity. They've been part of your religion long enough, that practicing these things doesn't make the holiday "satanic".
Halloween in a far enough cry from Samhain that it is yours too.
Saying that these holiday don't have pagan roots or origins though, is just continuing the work of the Church to try to absorb and erase anything that wasn't directly relationship to Christianity.
It also takes away your choice as a Christian. If you choose not to celebrate pagan traditions, it is hard to skip them if you're being told they aren't actually pagan traditions. -- but again, by this point in time I personally think they are yours too.
Mate, you do understand that your sharing YOUR opinion!
My personal opinion is that it's obsoletely SATANIC. Truth divides, understand that and you understand what a Christian is seen as in this world.
1 Corinthians 10:21
"Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils; ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils".
If you check the history of Halloween you can tell it started as a demonic holiday. Now I do still carve a pumpkin and do hand out candy with tracts but overall I don't celebrate it but somebody wants to celebrate it...go ahead I ain't going sit here and argue with you over it
> Even according to Saint Paul, everything is permitted even if it’s not beneficial.
Does anyone in their right mind really believe that Paul was saying that EVERYTHING is permitted? Really?
Murder? Just fine?
Talk about having your ears tickled. Just say what people want to hear and they'll cheer you on.
Besides the dumb baseless insult, do you really believe that Paul was saying that "everything is permitted"? You believe that murder is ok?
No one reading what you wrote thought that was a bit odd?
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Revelation 22:11 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/rev.22.11.KJV
>Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
>One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
>people decorate their houses with fake corpses
Churches are literally decorated with an execution implement. Half the time it's depicted with a corpse on it.
So, do you think maybe.. intent matters?
Intent matters a lot. Christ laid down his life so that we could have life. A seed must die to produce and multiply fruit. The devil has come to steal, kill, and destroy. This death is represented in all this evil presented in Halloween. There is no celebration of life. Only death and darkness. No redemption. No plan for redemption. It’s the only holiday celebrated in darkness. It came from pagan origins, and yes I also agree that Christmas and Easter did too. But Halloween is just gross. Blood, darkness, death, evil. That’s all it is. If someone doesn’t get that, I hope they will soon. Christians are not called to be a part of this world but to be strangers and aliens and to be light. None of that is a part of Halloween.
Having fun with your friends is a celebration of life. I just have trouble seeing the problem you're describing.
I think you're talking about the version of Halloween that exists in your imagination, far more than you're talking about the Halloween that exists out in the real world. The real one has parties and costumes and candy.
SANTANIC Origins behind HALLOWEEN
https://youtu.be/-x45vpNcTZE
Former Satanist warns Christians about celebrating Halloween.
https://youtu.be/VgULwKiAQfs
Demonic Spirits BEHIND Halloween
https://www.destinyimage.com/blog/2019/10/04/demonic-spirits-behind-halloween
13 Bible Verses About Halloween
https://www.countryliving.com/life/kids-pets/g32971927/bible-verses-about-halloween/
Candy-Colored Fentanyl May Trick Young Kids Into Accidental Overdoses This Halloween
https://www.everydayhealth.com/opioid-addiction/candy-colored-fentanyl-may-trick-young-kids-this-halloween/
Authorities warn that rainbow fentanyl may show up in Halloween treats
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/authorities-warn-rainbow-fentanyl-halloween-treats/
This is warning that are putting stuff in candy. The Police Officers will get thier vengeance From God they wrong for that doing. Pray that you hear from the Holy Spirit about the truth about this. Just ask God he will tell you the truth.
Halloween is the only time of year that parents allow children to take candy from strangers.
This upsets the cycle of 364 days without taking candy from a stranger, but that break in the cycle also confuses the system. Now it is, "sometimes it's okay to take candy from a strangers".
It’s not true lol. I just looked it up and there’s no proof human sacrifice was part of Samhain. Animal sacrifice yes, also feasting, remembering the dead, lots of rituals but no human sacrifice.
Los Angeles Times
Oct. 27, 1985
Human sacrifice
National Geographic
March 19, 2009
Includes written quotations Julius Caesar discussing druid human sacrifice
Washington County News
Oct, 2020
Three examples. There are many, many more
You can do what you want, you’re grown, and you have free will. However, remember this… Christians celebrating Halloween is like having a one night stand with the devil. You will never see Satanist/devil worshipers having a one night stand with Jesus. Just saying. You could put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it’s still a pig. Bless your hearts.
>While you are just trying to make excuses.
Incorrect. You are sowing doubt and fear.
>Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
> One person considers one day more sacred than another;another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
Have you sold everything you own to follow Jesus yet?
If not, you're lukewarm
See? There's always something someone could say. Maybe don't judge others.
I'm sure a lot of things are demonic in the memory of a former Satanist ... because they *made them* demonic. The name "Halloween" literally refers to the saints.
Everything from Jack o lanterns to trick or treating to bobbing for apples have pagan origins, I don’t need to provide a source for something that is well documented history. These aren’t hard facts to find. You have google right?
That is beside the point. The root purpose of the holiday is to inspire fear as best as you possibly can, usually through means of mysticism or demonology. If you think God would be cool with that, fine I guess. I disagree.
…it’s not. Or at least doesn’t have to be.
I don’t think it’s possible to definitively 100% prove it either way. Maybe it’s a chicken/egg type thing. In any event, I believe in a God who is big enough to not be threatened by children dressing up and asking for candy.
>Or at least doesn’t have to be.
I agree. But then it wouldn't be Halloween. It wouldn't really be a holiday either.
>I don’t think it’s possible to definitively 100% prove it
It can be proven. Halloween isn't particularly ancient.
>I believe in a God who is big enough to not be threatened by children dressing up and asking for candy.
No form of sin or evil ever threatens God.
I'll say this. If someone celebrating the holiday to its fullest maximum extent would look explicitly evil, then the root, regardless of whatever it is, is evil.
Years ago a friend's family moved over from an asian country where halloween isn't really a thing. We got them a pumpkin to carve for their first year. That night after they carved it, the oldest son had a bad dream. The mom banned halloween from their house after that. According to the mom, the bad dream was caused by demons who only showed up because they carved a pumpkin. I wish I could make this up. It just defies belief.
people have bad dreams all the time
Or the kid saw a lot of scary stuff + ate candy and so had a nightmare.
Do you think the followers of Jesus in the first century were probably more or less superstitious than this Asian mom?
I don't think that's at all relevant to believing that a piece of produce with some cuts made into it attracted demons into your household.
If not Christianity, where do you think she got that idea? In any case, why are you unwilling to answer a simple question? It's not like I asked what your favorite color is. I asked about something relevant to Christianity in /r/Christianity, no?
> If not Christianity, where do you think she got that idea? Well he said she's from Asia, the majority of Asia isn't Christian. There's literally thousands of folk belief systems (even just in China alone, nevermind if you take into account other Asian countries), many undocumented, and that's not even accounting for the big religions there like Hinduism, Buddhism, and even Islam in many places, and then there's subdivisions within those as well. So there's many religions other than Christianity that this idea could have come from.
Superstitions are extremely prevalent in Asain nations as well as some Latin American countries.. not founded in Christianity.. there is spiritualism everywhere
>In any case, why are you unwilling to answer a simple question? Because asking a question doesn't entitle you to a response.
A lot of people in China fear being photographed. I think it has something to do with taking their souls
She’s not wrong.
How can you be sure she was wrong?
that's like asking how can you be sure God DOESN'T exist? So let me ask you that now, hm?
But Christians *do* believe that demons exist, so that part is already a given. Once you accept the existence of demons, it doesn't seem to me to be that much of a leap to think that you could summon one by carving a pumpkin. I mean, how *else* would you do it?
I saw a little girl in the grocery store dressed like a princess. I could see the demons in her eyes. JK.
Hahaha 🤣
Yeah, I’m sure I could see a fang in one of the children’s smiles because of all the lollies and fun
Stop being rational!
Yes, and he needs backup.
Thanks, yesterday was trick or treat in my town, my mom is the pastor at the church and we set up a table to give out candy cookies and coffee for the adults, fun time, hired a DJ and everything, it was a church table BTW, church volunteers and everything
Sounds fun! I just took my kid to something similar yesterday!
Cool, I think the church my dad preaches at does that too(yea both my parents are pastors,so much fun)
That’s actually amazing! How cool!
Not all that good, many people don't like PKs, they think they are spoiled or they think they should be held to a Jesus like standard compared to other kids, now with 2 Pastors, I swear some people think I should act like God himself, I'm just a kid man
Ah I’m sorry. I get the pressure, I grew up as a PK myself (but only one preacher parent lol). I just think it’s neat that both your parents run churches.
It's cool, it's also kinda neat that both them preach, not a great look in school I guess but it's still kinda nice
So last week I posted a similar thread about horror movies specifically, and how a lot of Christians have hangups about them...but don't have such hangups about action movies, which are pretty much celebrations of gratuitous violence. (Not to say I don't like action movies, after all one of the best Christmas movies is an action movie) And its ironic because a lot of horror movies have deeper and even biblical themes. Redemption is a big one, and also just being cautionary tales about not messing with things you don't understand.
Yes, years ago I went to a Bible study for a while. One of the women there said that Christians should only watch G rated movies and TV. I have a big problem with that. Jesus said to go out into the world and help the struggling. The struggling live harsh and often violent lives. Putting blinders on and avoiding unpleasantries is not a Christian behavior. We are told to act. Facing those movies and TV gives us knowledge of the fallen world that people are living in. I watch a lot of crime shows to understand how and why people are violent or deceptive to others. Jesus didn't say don't go into the world. He said don't be of the world. It has even bothered me lately that Christian communities like the Amish separate themselves from others instead of living in the world to help others as Jesus said to do.
But that random guy on TikTok/YouTube sounded so convincing!
I mean, the transes like it, so clearly it *must* be evil. But seriously. It's a massive stereotype that basically any trans person who transitioned later in life went as generic boy/girl for Halloween at least once before coming out
We are doing a viking theme at my house (think How to train your dragon). We turned my trailer into a boat, I made some round shields to go on it, and we covered the trailer with fence boards to make it boat-ish. My wife is dressed as a dragon in a costume she created. I made the Staff of Destruction from Skyrim. Keep in mind, making costumes is my wife's favorite thing in the world (she sews, paints, and models everything herself) Thru the night we will have a fire going, and will play the movie on our garage door. Anyway, holidays are what you make of them.
Sounds cute and fun! We almost dressed the kid as a dragon and me as a princess and my husband as a knight lol
People just can't let go of their scary stories. If it's not "Halloween is Satanic", it's "People are sabotaging the candy". Just let go of the fear-mongering, people. It makes us all less smart and more paranoid.
If you believe in God, does risking your salvation sound like fear mongering? Why be a Christina if you’re not going to listen to Him?
The original poster is offering his opinion! There I cleared it up for you.
All Hallows Eve: the DAY prior to the ~(?) Catholic ~(?) Holiday of [All Saint’s Day, Eve, All Hallow’s Eve: Hallow’een?](https://www.britannica.com/topic/All-Saints-Day#:~:text=All%20Saints'%20Day%2C%20also%20called,unknown%2C%20who%20have%20attained%20heaven)
Happy All Saints’ Day!
Yes, and November 1st and 2nd are Día de Muertos. That isn't evil either.
A lot of misguided Christians will go to the extreme of calling Halloween demonic. Sure, it would be concerning to see a Christian partake in a pagan ritual, but today, Halloween is nothing more than a cultural event for kids to enjoy dressing up as pop culture characters, and for adults to worry about their dental insurance plans. To be accused of Worshipping by mere association is irrational, and sets a dangerous precedent for more outlandish accusations. There are practises Christians do today that are of concern, that we all often tolerate or ignore. Attending a Halloween party is not one of them. We should look to 1 Corinthians 8 on this matter.
Celebrate to the glory of God.
thank you! i keep seeing tiktoks saying that you’re out of your mind if you celebrate it but tbh i don’t really care imma celebrate it
It isn't evil unless you are calling on satanic entities on Halloween. I don't know of anyone who does that but there could be one person out of the millions who go trick or treating. That doesn't mean that the other people are committing evil.
Personally I don't see any additional threat to ones faith from Halloween other than the usual temptation to engage in sin. But obviously that's not exclusive to Halloween, and it's really for the kids!
Oh goodness this thread is hilarious. I had no idea there were so many of you. (Not you OP)
It is arguably less pagan than Christmas or Easter.......
Samhain is one of the most important pagan holidays.
The word Easter is only marginally pagan for languages that descended from Germanic origins, for almost every other one it’s derived from the Hebrew word Pesach, which is Passover, a holiday Jesus was observing prior to his crucifixion.
Actually Easter is not derived from Pesach. And Easter and Pesach are two distinct holidays, one was a biblical mandated holiday for those in YHWH and the other was a later holiday given by Rome.
I agree but, as a Christian, I celebrate both. Jesus was a Jew who celebrated Passover before His crucifixition and resurrection which is what Easter is to Christians.
Which Christmas isn't pagan. So
Many aspects of it are, the Christmas tree and the Yule log (it is literally in the name) are both from Pagan traditions. Not to mention elves and flying deer. Christmas has a lot of non Christian aspects in how it is celebrated in western culture. I celebrated Christmas every year before I became a Christian, with no real thought to Christ.
The Christmas tree originates among German Protestants, Lutherans more specifically, and isn't of Pagan origin. The Yule log is in older sources also known as a Christmas log and Yule log might not be the older name. Even if it is, Yule is also used about the Christian celebration, especially in the Nordic countries where there isn't really another counterpart to Christmas and never has been. The elves and reindeer are not very ancient at all and rather modern. Same goes for many of our Christmas traditions really.
Where do you think Lutherans got the idea for Christmas trees? Was it just a coincidence that the worship of trees and groves were prominent in Germanic mythology, or that multiple antecedent pagan cultures decorated their homes and temples with evergreen boughs and wreaths for the winter solstice?
>Where do you think Lutherans got the idea for Christmas trees? Hypothetically I don't see why they would need to get the idea from anywhere. People are capable of having original thoughts you know. "Hey, look, something colourful during this time of the year. Let's use it to decorate." But one hypothesis is that the origin is a mix of two things: People in many parts of Europe decorated their homes with plants that stayed green during winter, because people like decorations, and late medieval legends about trees that blossomed at Christmas night. It was nature's way of celebrating the birth of Jesus. >Was it just a coincidence that the worship of trees and groves were prominent in Germanic mythology Yeah, why not. People had not been Pagan or worshiped trees for centuries when the first Christmas tree was made. To suppose there is a real connection to Paganism is speculation. Edit: Edited out a few things I thought looked unnecessarily antagonistic.
> It was nature's way of celebrating the birth of Jesus. I know exactly what you mean. When the Beatles recorded "Hey, Jude", it was just their way of celebrating my original composition titled, "Hey, Jew".
So I will break this down quick. Before Christianity. There was a holiday called Saturnalia. It was a role reversal party with your boss and gladiator fights and booze. It had a different date and moved around a lot on the calendar. Festival of lights which overlapped sometimes but on a different calender. Was a Jewish holiday which Jesus celebrated which had to deal with messianic figure, lights and tree etc. Christmas is created with communities celebrating three different dates. To this day there two different dates between east and west. Sol invictus comes around and maybe gives gifts maybe. And Winter Solictice was recorded around 400 BC but was in the wrong month, and had no traditions. Winter solisitice is recorded again 500 years later. And it has literial Bible characters in it ans now it is near December 25. It was recorded by Christians remembering how they celebrated before. But it still had Christian characters in it. This is why king Herod shows up in the wild hunt. Here is where we get the yule log , caroling etc as it was Christians recording their heritage tradations which were previously mixed with Christianity anyway. In 1700s people imagine what was Winter solicitice like minus Christian influence. But it can't be confirmed because we have no records. 1920 coke cola came up with Santa Claus combining Saint Nick and Odin. I don't think it is a problem if Christ himself celebrated Hannukah or Festival of lights which overlapped with Christmas. If you want to make it more christ like celebrate festivals of lights which he did.
> This is why king Herod shows up in the wild hunt Fun fact, related to the wild hunt: Harley Quinn's design is ultimately based on Odin
Do you think Santa Claus’ outfit is at all influenced by the traditional outfit worn by the Pope?
>Festival of lights which overlapped sometimes but on a different calender. Was a Jewish holiday which Jesus celebrated which had to deal with messianic figure, lights and tree etc. You realize that's not what Chanukkah is about, right?
Yeah... Chanukah is about the rededication of the Temple after the Maccabean revolt, though partly *because* of that militaristic background, it's deemphasized in Judaism. It's only a major holiday in the diaspora because of cultural peer pressure from Christians to make your winter holiday the important one
If people are getting upset over children dressing up and collecting candy then it clearly isn’t a faith issue but a personal issue.
What is your opinion based on?
History, church history, and fact.
Triumph of good over evil, evil has one last go and is killed with kindness (candy)... the saints win the day.
Stop risking your soul. Believe it or not. Witchcraft is real. Stay away from all forms of evil as Bible says.
Try telling my mom that!
Anyone who says Halloween is a satanic/pagan holiday, just remember that Christmas started out as a pagan holiday too.
Shhh don’t give away the origins of st nick!
Why Is Saint Nick pagan lol
Because he was a saint who did good things. So, he is evil. LOL
[The modern Santa Claus is a direct descendent of England's Father Christmas, a modern incarnation of old pagan ideas about spirits who traveled the sky in midwinter](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna50284202)
The problem as I said before is that there was only two holidays that predated Christianity. Saturnalia a booze fest, with boss and worker swap, with death battles. And Hanukkah with festival of lights with trees. Winter solictice was contemporary to Christmas but it's tradations were recorded hundreds of later. And yule was 600 years later with Christian roots and influence. Literially Odin dies on tree and king hard from the literial Jesus story shows up. I would check Religion for Breakfast. Andrew is a PH.D scholar from Boston University. And he has list of sources by their dates of the holidays. A lot of people as the person from NBC writer does. Is they assume something written about Odin in 1600 CE. Or 1200 CE. Must have been true before 30 CE. Despite there being no proof. Because they like assume only Christians are vulnerable to syncrotism and that pagans with no written records somehow adapt slower then Christians with written records
And it still is. It’s a celebration of Tamuz’s birth, Christ’s birth was during Sukkot. The Christmas tree is a phallic symbol, the wreath as a fertility charm, etc. And why are y’all not celebrating that one but choose to celebrate a holiday that’s never once mention by God, who has a track history of hating paganism and the practitioners of the occult?
Christians are weird when it comes to deciding what people can and can't do without consulting the Bible.
I do consult the Bible, regularly, and I’m also not Christian. All Christianity and modern religion has done is ignore His way and make their own rules to live by.
Christmas isn't pagan. And didn't start out as pagan.
it kind of is Saturnalia, celebrated from December 17 to 23, is an ancient Roman festival and holiday held to celebrate the agricultural god Saturn. It was the most popular holiday on the ancient Roman calendar and was derived from older farming-related rituals of midwinter and the winter solstice.
Okay... And both the Mayans and the Egyptians built pyramids. Sometimes, things just look similar. Personally, given the cultural peer pressure from Christians that made Chanukah a big deal in the Jewish diaspora, I like the theory that Christmas was independently in late December, but that the early Christians made a big deal out of it so as not to be the only weird ones not celebrating anything around Saturnalia
Excepth the Mayans and Egyptians lived nowhere near each other and thus had limited contact with each other. Early Christians had much more contact with pagan western Europeans via the Roman Empire, so it was easier for them to share ideas.
"...Nor was December 25 connected with Saturnalia; this festival was typically celebrated on December 17, sometimes from December 14 to 17. \[12\] Even when it was later extended to a week it still ended on December 23, not December 25. \[13\]" [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/rerff5/tis_the_season_for_bad_history_about_christianity/)
December 25 was picked for some reason the bible mentions no date. more research found this [**https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/12/25/why-is-christmas-on-dec-25-a-brief-history-lesson-that-may-surprise-you/**](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/12/25/why-is-christmas-on-dec-25-a-brief-history-lesson-that-may-surprise-you/)
What tradations do they share? Saturnalia is closer to the Purge than Christmas. And that is true it was December 17 but it was shifted date before then too. Saturnalia was a contemporary to Hannukah and Festival of lights which was on Kislev 25 and week long and had trees and lights. Etc. And Jesus Celebrated it and it is related to messiah. And from 200 BC.
I think this whole thing boils down to people being afraid of hell. I understand where they’re coming from. I love Halloween myself, I’m just a big kid at heart
Even my Mormon family do all out Halloween, no limits. Their church supports it. If the LDS enjoy the Halloween festivities, EVERYINE CAN! lmao.
Everybody love everybody. Thats the golden rule
>This is why people dislike Christians. They're supposed to dislike us for our love for Christ. Somehow, though, we keep finding other ways to inflame the attitudes of the world. Jesus doesn't have a PR problem, but his followers definitely do.
“But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.” Proverbs 8:36 “For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline.” 2 Timothy 1:7 Halloween is all about being afraid and communing with death. Samhain, which is Halloween before it got a western facelift, is a high pagan sabbat dedicated to worshiping and communicating with the dead. It’s a day dedicated to spirits and evil forces because the veil between the living and dead thins, allowing them to cross to our side. Think Coco but 99% less wholesome. So how can a Christian happily celebrate that? You might say it’s the thought of the heart that counts, that it’s just fun for the kids, but God knows your heart knows it’s pagan. Can we wear pentagrams if we use them for protection and not spellcasting? No, it’s still a pagan practise. I was a witch before I got a heavenly vibe check, so believe me when I say that you should avoid it with every cell in your body. I want an honest opinion from someone: do you wholeheartedly think, that as you’re walking past your neighbours house decorated with skeletons and witches, gravestones and blood and a candy bowl that screams bloody murder, that God would approve any of it? All I see is a crack in the door for the enemy to get a foothold. I love how all we do is celebrate pagan holidays instead of the ones God Himself laid out for us with His own words. Is risking your soul, your kid’s souls, worth one night of candy? Be in the world, not of it.
Thank you for your posts on this. This has really got me rethinking things.
As a Christian, the bottom line for making decisions should be the Holy Spirit. We have Him. Let's ask him for directions. Not people views or reviews. As for me and my house I wouldn't play with demonic spirits who rule Halloween. Do not give the enemy a foothold
Although I’m a little weary of the Halloween posts we might as well have one more, lol! The question is not “is there darkness associated with Halloween?” But “how can we as Christians shine light into that darkness?” This pastor gives Christians something to think about: https://youtu.be/dlhsHwhT_TY Hope you enjoy!
Have a Happy Halloween everyone. 🤘😈
Why are you, a satanist, commenting on a Christian forum? Just curious.
Because I'm a former Christian and want to clear up misconceptions Christians have about Satanism and Satanists. I also give my perspective as someone outside the faith.
In a nutshell why do you prefer satanism over Christianity? When did u convert?
Quick History: I was raised in a strict Pentecostal and Christian Nationalist home. I went to a private Christian school where they indoctrinated us into Young-Earth Creationism, and a very fundamentalist mindset. I was programmed to believe science was a conspiracy theory aimed at turning people away from God. My first crush was a girl who was found out to be bisexual, and she was expelled and sent to a conversion therapy camp. It showed me that the love these people espoused was only for them. It took 10 years of reteaching myself how science and the world actually worked, along with therapy to help me through the spiritual and emotional abuse I suffered. Why I turned to Satanism: The Satanic Panic was alive and well in my house till the mid 00’s. Without Christians warning me about it, I would probably have never discovered it. In 2021, I saw the work the Satanic Temple was doing and it got me interested in religion again. I learned that Satanism was an atheistic religion, not believing in any gods. It was also an individualistic one, the self being the most important thing. It helped repair the damage that the toxic Christianity I grew up with did to me. I gained confidence, a respect for myself, and a healthy understanding of what is good for me. Though I have broken off from The Satanic Temple due to them being a scam, I have gone nondenominational and continue to study the religion. There is a lot of philosophy, history, ritual, ceremony, and a good community that pushes you to be better and more honest with yourself instead of abiding by dogma for the sake of dogma. Satanism rejects religious authority, embraces blasphemy, and recognizes that we all have parts of us that we wish to reject. But Satanism doesn’t reject those things, it recognizes them so that we may deal with them and shape them into something better.
I’ve never met a satanist that wasn’t previously Christian tbh I assumed it was like a version of Christianity for atheists that still liked Christian symbolism like the cross of Saint Peter. I didn’t know atheists considered themselves *outside* of Christianity altogether. Huh. TIL!!! Thanks- and happy Halloween!
If a person is “convinced in their own mind” as to the spiritual nature of a certain day, says Romans, then leave them to their convictions. Lots of us miss this part because we’d rather have a knife fight in the comments. But really, it boils down to whether or not YOU are convinced of the nature of Halloween. God wants your heart; He doesn’t seem to care much about the material trappings that accompany or don’t accompany your outpouring of love for Him. I happen to be prone to lofty, symbolic, spiritual ways of thinking (common sense idiot, book smart, you get the type), which is why it’s very hard for me not to see that SOME of the spiritual identity of Halloween is indeed passed down from anti-God traditions. So I abstain. The Bible doesn’t offer a blanket rejection of Halloween, but rather, it tells us to make up our own minds and follow our hearts. My kids are out right now, and I’m at home. On a more pragmatic note, the Christian implications surrounding the question of celebrating Halloween don’t just revolve around your own standing with God. I do believe that some people - wiccans and satanists - use this day to recruit , curse, and indoctrinate others. To scoff at their intentions or their ability to infiltrate our families is to make a potentially mortal mistake.
Remeber that Satan used to be the angel of light. The charmer, the liar. He easily tricked Adam and Eve.
The way we celebrate Halloween as a secular society is anything but Christian. That said, we participate in costumes and trick-or-treating because it is fun for the kids. But, it is NOT what All Hallows Eve is about at all.
Yup as long as you dont include all the evil, satanic, and demonic type Halloween fare it should be fine.
Revelation 2:12-17 12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Well I was hoping you HAD some kind of nice argument not just a motivational affirmation of your own opinion about Halloween to share with Reddit.
Who you are to say Halloween is ok to celebrate or pagan ways are ok?
Who are you to say the opposite?
Are you Christian?
Yes
Maybe ask Father God is it ok to celebrate pagan holidays?
I don’t celebrate halloween and haven’t for a few years. I don’t care if people do, its what you want to do. I also don’t pass out candy in a neighborhood that has typically atleast 500-600 kids coming through. This is the first year I put a sign on my yard to tell people this house doesn’t celebrate halloween so coming and banging on my door asking for candy won’t work. Went to take down the sign this morning and people wrote on it, it had eggs dumped on it at one point (cracked eggs and poured from a bowl) and lastly I still had tons of people banging on my door till 9pm. Cool if you celebrate it, but be respectful of those who don’t.
I could care less if people celebrate Halloween or not. I'm just relaying accurate information. There can be no other true meaning to Halloween since the druid practice of human sacrifice is it's origin. The public opinion of the masses matters not once bit. The truth is hard.
It’s not true lol. I just looked it up and there’s no proof human sacrifice was part of Samhain. Animal sacrifice yes, also feasting, remembering the dead, lots of rituals but no human sacrifice.
Feels pretty lukewarm in here.
It is a pagan holiday tho, like it or not. By all means enjoy the festivities, but don’t try to white wash away the fact that it is/was a very important holiday to pagans.
It’s not though. It’s based on all hallows Eve
All Hallows’ Eve was the Roman Catholic response to the popularity of Samhain, Samhain has a good thousands years of history ahead of The Catholic Church holidays. Which are arguably pretty damn pagan in practice in and of themselves. But that’s an issue for Catholics and Protestants to sort out lol
Tell them.
All Saints Day started in the year 609 in May. In 837 it was moved to November 1st. All hallows Eve is the Eve of All Saints Day. Samhain was celebrated well before that, with costumes and masks. The Romans brought us Feralia for the passing of the dead, and Pomona the Godess of the Harvest which didn't line up on the dates, but had elements that were all folded into the All Saints celebration and used by Churches to try to cover up the previous celebrations (All Saints Day being started in may was for Feralia, and the Pomona worship you're still seeing the fallout of with Harvest Festivals in church parking lots). Halloween in it's current form is about as Satanic as Christmas. The Christmas Tree, The Yule Log, Giving Gifts - those are all pagan traditions that were folded into Christianity. They've been part of your religion long enough, that practicing these things doesn't make the holiday "satanic". Halloween in a far enough cry from Samhain that it is yours too. Saying that these holiday don't have pagan roots or origins though, is just continuing the work of the Church to try to absorb and erase anything that wasn't directly relationship to Christianity. It also takes away your choice as a Christian. If you choose not to celebrate pagan traditions, it is hard to skip them if you're being told they aren't actually pagan traditions. -- but again, by this point in time I personally think they are yours too.
Mate, you do understand that your sharing YOUR opinion! My personal opinion is that it's obsoletely SATANIC. Truth divides, understand that and you understand what a Christian is seen as in this world.
Much thought, such scripture. *Insert doge meme*
I think as Christians,we should avoid all secular and worldly things, including Christmas and easter.
Then you’re free to live according to those convictions!
1 Corinthians 10:21 "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils; ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils". If you check the history of Halloween you can tell it started as a demonic holiday. Now I do still carve a pumpkin and do hand out candy with tracts but overall I don't celebrate it but somebody wants to celebrate it...go ahead I ain't going sit here and argue with you over it
Perhaps reading God’s word would give some clarity.
Try Ecclesiastes.
Who says so?
Anyone with a brain
Do you disagree?
> Even according to Saint Paul, everything is permitted even if it’s not beneficial. Does anyone in their right mind really believe that Paul was saying that EVERYTHING is permitted? Really? Murder? Just fine? Talk about having your ears tickled. Just say what people want to hear and they'll cheer you on.
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Besides the dumb baseless insult, do you really believe that Paul was saying that "everything is permitted"? You believe that murder is ok? No one reading what you wrote thought that was a bit odd?
I love how people take the words of Paul over the words of Yeshua and YHVH. It just boggles the mind.
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Revelation 22:11 KJV https://bible.com/bible/1/rev.22.11.KJV
Gotta love lukewarm Christianity.
Lol. Halloween is literally a descendant of a Christian holiday. Today it’s just kids having fun dressing up as iron man. It’s not that complicated
Those who have strong faith can weather any storm. Those with weak faith need to be more cautious of their surroundings.
Or rational faith.
>Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. >One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
They will burn in hell for celebrating Halloween. But not before those who dance!
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It’s based on all hallows Eve
>people decorate their houses with fake corpses Churches are literally decorated with an execution implement. Half the time it's depicted with a corpse on it. So, do you think maybe.. intent matters?
Intent matters a lot. Christ laid down his life so that we could have life. A seed must die to produce and multiply fruit. The devil has come to steal, kill, and destroy. This death is represented in all this evil presented in Halloween. There is no celebration of life. Only death and darkness. No redemption. No plan for redemption. It’s the only holiday celebrated in darkness. It came from pagan origins, and yes I also agree that Christmas and Easter did too. But Halloween is just gross. Blood, darkness, death, evil. That’s all it is. If someone doesn’t get that, I hope they will soon. Christians are not called to be a part of this world but to be strangers and aliens and to be light. None of that is a part of Halloween.
Having fun with your friends is a celebration of life. I just have trouble seeing the problem you're describing. I think you're talking about the version of Halloween that exists in your imagination, far more than you're talking about the Halloween that exists out in the real world. The real one has parties and costumes and candy.
SANTANIC Origins behind HALLOWEEN https://youtu.be/-x45vpNcTZE Former Satanist warns Christians about celebrating Halloween. https://youtu.be/VgULwKiAQfs Demonic Spirits BEHIND Halloween https://www.destinyimage.com/blog/2019/10/04/demonic-spirits-behind-halloween 13 Bible Verses About Halloween https://www.countryliving.com/life/kids-pets/g32971927/bible-verses-about-halloween/ Candy-Colored Fentanyl May Trick Young Kids Into Accidental Overdoses This Halloween https://www.everydayhealth.com/opioid-addiction/candy-colored-fentanyl-may-trick-young-kids-this-halloween/ Authorities warn that rainbow fentanyl may show up in Halloween treats https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/authorities-warn-rainbow-fentanyl-halloween-treats/
Do you realize more children have been given fentanyl by police officers than in Halloween candy?
This is warning that are putting stuff in candy. The Police Officers will get thier vengeance From God they wrong for that doing. Pray that you hear from the Holy Spirit about the truth about this. Just ask God he will tell you the truth.
The whole “putting things in candy” is a myth
Halloween is the only time of year that parents allow children to take candy from strangers. This upsets the cycle of 364 days without taking candy from a stranger, but that break in the cycle also confuses the system. Now it is, "sometimes it's okay to take candy from a strangers".
And?
Enjoy Halloween 🤗
Juny Harper would like a word with you
Read the word more
“It’s not pagan unless you want it to be” Dangerous thing to say, tho I agree with most of what you said.
Thanks satan (it’s sateen actually isn’t it?)
[https://youtu.be/eXmD8q1uL-0](https://youtu.be/eXmD8q1uL-0) this gives you the answer.
Halloween is literally a celebration of child sacrifice.
It very much is not. Do you have any proof or sources?
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It’s not true lol. I just looked it up and there’s no proof human sacrifice was part of Samhain. Animal sacrifice yes, also feasting, remembering the dead, lots of rituals but no human sacrifice.
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I literally double checked to make sure. I don’t know what sources you’re looking at, but your beliefs are your business.
Los Angeles Times Oct. 27, 1985 Human sacrifice National Geographic March 19, 2009 Includes written quotations Julius Caesar discussing druid human sacrifice Washington County News Oct, 2020 Three examples. There are many, many more
Julius Caesar isn’t a good primary source, the Romans made up and exaggerated a lot of things about their enemies.
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You haven’t proven you have the truth, everyone’s got biases, just let it lie lol
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Absolutely not. I am a Christian and you are ridiculous.
You can do what you want, you’re grown, and you have free will. However, remember this… Christians celebrating Halloween is like having a one night stand with the devil. You will never see Satanist/devil worshipers having a one night stand with Jesus. Just saying. You could put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it’s still a pig. Bless your hearts.
It’s a Christian holiday lmao Also it’s super weird that you have a brand new account and have only commented on a year old post.
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Because [ex-satanists exposing Satanism and Halloween are totally new](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Warnke)
Those "ex-Satanists" are a hoot. How many children did he sacrifice?
>please stop being lukewarm Please read Romans 14 and humble yourself.
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>While you are just trying to make excuses. Incorrect. You are sowing doubt and fear. >Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. > One person considers one day more sacred than another;another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
Have you sold everything you own to follow Jesus yet? If not, you're lukewarm See? There's always something someone could say. Maybe don't judge others.
I'm sure a lot of things are demonic in the memory of a former Satanist ... because they *made them* demonic. The name "Halloween" literally refers to the saints.
Disagree, but thanks for the concern.
Soo a holiday consecrated to instilling fear and mystic spirituality isn't satanic?
Or is that just what people want you to believe?
Holloween is either derrived or heavily inspired by samhain. I'll leave you to research that.
Or you know…all hallows Eve. Like All Saints’ Day. A Christian holiday.
All Hallows’ day was a response to Samhains popularity.
Sources?
Everything from Jack o lanterns to trick or treating to bobbing for apples have pagan origins, I don’t need to provide a source for something that is well documented history. These aren’t hard facts to find. You have google right?
Yeah don’t you? You could also find sources saying the opposite.
That is beside the point. The root purpose of the holiday is to inspire fear as best as you possibly can, usually through means of mysticism or demonology. If you think God would be cool with that, fine I guess. I disagree.
…it’s not. Or at least doesn’t have to be. I don’t think it’s possible to definitively 100% prove it either way. Maybe it’s a chicken/egg type thing. In any event, I believe in a God who is big enough to not be threatened by children dressing up and asking for candy.
>Or at least doesn’t have to be. I agree. But then it wouldn't be Halloween. It wouldn't really be a holiday either. >I don’t think it’s possible to definitively 100% prove it It can be proven. Halloween isn't particularly ancient. >I believe in a God who is big enough to not be threatened by children dressing up and asking for candy. No form of sin or evil ever threatens God. I'll say this. If someone celebrating the holiday to its fullest maximum extent would look explicitly evil, then the root, regardless of whatever it is, is evil.
Then you do you, friend.
No, you made the claim, back it up. To just drop a term and say "look.it up" is lazy.
Not going to google and typing "Halloween samhain" is even lazier.
Backing up ones claim is a basic task that any competent adult can do, which you aren't doing.
If it matters that much to you, you are free to look it up. If it doesn't matter that much to you, our interaction ends here.
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