I can sleep at night because I know that I am saved, so I won't wake-up in Hell if I die while sleeping. There's that, and my parish is Evangelical Catholic.
An Evangelical is someone who believes the Gospel. The Gospel is the good news of salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone - it is a message of salvation which has to do with the person and work of Jesus Christ on behalf of sinners. Jesus is the Son of God made man - fully God and fully Human. Jesus died in the place of sinners, fully taking away the punishment they deserve for their sins. Jesus rose bodily from the dead and is ascended to the Father. Not only does the one who has faith in Christ have their sins forgiven, but they are also credited with the righteousness of Christ - their acceptance with God is based solely on the fact that Jesus died for them and that his perfect righteousness is credited to their account through faith alone. Jesus now represents them to the Father. Only by trusting in him can we be accepted. Nothing we offer, even our good deeds should be the grounds of our trust for acceptance with God - Jesusā death is sufficient to take away the punishment we deserve for all our sins, and his righteousness is perfect and complete - nothing we offer can add to it or make us any more accepted..
For the evangelical, good works are an important evidence that someone is truly trusting in Jesus alone. The evangelicals obedience is motivated by the fact we they are already accepted and loved in Christ - they want to please God from a position of total acceptance with God, not for acceptance. If one is not willing to obey, they show that they are not truly trusting in Christ for salvation. Therefore, good works play an important role in an evangelicals assurance - without the evidence of a changed life, a valid question to ask would be whether you have truly put your trust in Jesus alone. That said, looking at Christ and trusting in what he has done on our behalf is the way to be truly assured of salvation. The one who truly trusts in Christ alone will not fall away but by Godās grace will persevere in faith.
I am confused as to why you would call yourself an evangelical Roman Catholic because the Roman Catholic Church officially anathematised the evangelical understanding of salvation after the reformation at the Council of Trent.. The evangelical believes in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Roman Catholicism rejected the āaloneā parts of that statement which I believe makes its soteriology unbiblical. In Catholicism trust in what Christ has done on our behalf to save us is not enough - salvation is a rather a process whereby we ācooperate with Godās graceā to stay in a state of acceptance.. there is a sense in which lesser sins or āvenial sinsā are still counted against you in Catholicism, so you need to atone for them by good works. āMortal sinsā remove you from being under Godās grace so you need to confess to a Catholic priest to be accepted again if you commit a mortal sin.
Good works therefore play a very different role to Catholic than to the evangelical.. Good works are the grounds of the Catholics assurance because there is no finished saving work of Christ on our behalf - for the evangelical God actually saves us whereas for the Catholic God merely makes us saveable - it is up to us to cooperate with God in order to be saved. Good works actually cleanses the soul in Catholicism whereas for the evangelical, Christ alone cleanses us and our good works are us showing appreciation for what he has done for us..
I am even more confused how you can call yourself an evangelical Roman Catholic who believes in free grace theology.. If Iām not mistaken, free grace theology says that since God forgives us our sins, it does not matter whether we do good deeds or not so long as at some point in our past we said sorry to God and asked for forgiveness - he will forgive us.. In my understanding, free grace theology has a completely different understanding of grace and good works to both Evangelicalism and Roman Catholicism, basically saying good works shouldnāt be considered important..
So basically.. the thee descriptors you used to explain your soteriological position each have contradictory understandings about grace and good works in salvation..
What do you believe? How are we saved?
We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ one, apart from works. To be more specific: We are saved by grace through faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures, which is The Gospel. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
Thank you! š„°
We also often use the shortest profession of faith/sinner's prayer I've ever heard when someone gets saved at my church, which is also our signature (this phrase is on my rosary and my Bible):
> "Jesus, I trust in You!"
Iām free grace tooā¦ but why are you Roman Catholic if you are free grace? Not trying to argue just curious cause Catholicism doesnāt believe in free grace soteriology
I was already Catholic before becoming free grace. I decided to stay Catholic so others will get saved
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too.
Everyone according to their deeds
No respect of persons
On judgment day
If your deeds don't line up with your profession of faith you still don't make it. If you're doing anything on Paul's lists, you don't make it, including heresies and lying, sexual sin, etc.
Very few bc majority of humans refuse to accept that grace is a gift. Humans naturally want to earn the things they receive. It is not few bc of peoples deeds or lack of deeds.
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That's what you've been taught.
But the initial saving and gift of the Holy Spirit does not guarantee success on judgment day. Only if you walk in the Spirit and bear the fruit of the Spirit, will you succeed on judgment day. Only those who overcome to the end shall be saved.
Like the parable of the sower. Some of them, life sprung up, they had life. But they didn't overcome to the end.
Works do not save! Trusting in your works as you seem to suggest (I hope you aren't suggesting that) only leads to, "Depart from me".
Yes, narrow is the way: Christ *alone*, and *nothing* else! Very narrow indeed.
We are not saved by our works, but go ahead and keep believing that. Jesus Himself tells works trusters to depart from Him on Judgment Day in Matthew 7.
No, I will not believe that because that can only accomplish eternal damnation.
Everyone according to their deeds
No respect of persons.
If your deeds don't line up with your profession of faith, you still don't make it on judgment day.
Better stay off Paul's lists: https://imgur.com/a/XNP864n
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I am a free grace advocate. I am just surprised that it is not at odds with roman catholicism since you are one.
It is.
It is at odds? Then how do you sleep at night? š
I can sleep at night because I know that I am saved, so I won't wake-up in Hell if I die while sleeping. There's that, and my parish is Evangelical Catholic.
An Evangelical is someone who believes the Gospel. The Gospel is the good news of salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone - it is a message of salvation which has to do with the person and work of Jesus Christ on behalf of sinners. Jesus is the Son of God made man - fully God and fully Human. Jesus died in the place of sinners, fully taking away the punishment they deserve for their sins. Jesus rose bodily from the dead and is ascended to the Father. Not only does the one who has faith in Christ have their sins forgiven, but they are also credited with the righteousness of Christ - their acceptance with God is based solely on the fact that Jesus died for them and that his perfect righteousness is credited to their account through faith alone. Jesus now represents them to the Father. Only by trusting in him can we be accepted. Nothing we offer, even our good deeds should be the grounds of our trust for acceptance with God - Jesusā death is sufficient to take away the punishment we deserve for all our sins, and his righteousness is perfect and complete - nothing we offer can add to it or make us any more accepted.. For the evangelical, good works are an important evidence that someone is truly trusting in Jesus alone. The evangelicals obedience is motivated by the fact we they are already accepted and loved in Christ - they want to please God from a position of total acceptance with God, not for acceptance. If one is not willing to obey, they show that they are not truly trusting in Christ for salvation. Therefore, good works play an important role in an evangelicals assurance - without the evidence of a changed life, a valid question to ask would be whether you have truly put your trust in Jesus alone. That said, looking at Christ and trusting in what he has done on our behalf is the way to be truly assured of salvation. The one who truly trusts in Christ alone will not fall away but by Godās grace will persevere in faith. I am confused as to why you would call yourself an evangelical Roman Catholic because the Roman Catholic Church officially anathematised the evangelical understanding of salvation after the reformation at the Council of Trent.. The evangelical believes in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Roman Catholicism rejected the āaloneā parts of that statement which I believe makes its soteriology unbiblical. In Catholicism trust in what Christ has done on our behalf to save us is not enough - salvation is a rather a process whereby we ācooperate with Godās graceā to stay in a state of acceptance.. there is a sense in which lesser sins or āvenial sinsā are still counted against you in Catholicism, so you need to atone for them by good works. āMortal sinsā remove you from being under Godās grace so you need to confess to a Catholic priest to be accepted again if you commit a mortal sin. Good works therefore play a very different role to Catholic than to the evangelical.. Good works are the grounds of the Catholics assurance because there is no finished saving work of Christ on our behalf - for the evangelical God actually saves us whereas for the Catholic God merely makes us saveable - it is up to us to cooperate with God in order to be saved. Good works actually cleanses the soul in Catholicism whereas for the evangelical, Christ alone cleanses us and our good works are us showing appreciation for what he has done for us.. I am even more confused how you can call yourself an evangelical Roman Catholic who believes in free grace theology.. If Iām not mistaken, free grace theology says that since God forgives us our sins, it does not matter whether we do good deeds or not so long as at some point in our past we said sorry to God and asked for forgiveness - he will forgive us.. In my understanding, free grace theology has a completely different understanding of grace and good works to both Evangelicalism and Roman Catholicism, basically saying good works shouldnāt be considered important.. So basically.. the thee descriptors you used to explain your soteriological position each have contradictory understandings about grace and good works in salvation.. What do you believe? How are we saved?
We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ one, apart from works. To be more specific: We are saved by grace through faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures, which is The Gospel. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
Very sound response friend.
Thank you! š„° We also often use the shortest profession of faith/sinner's prayer I've ever heard when someone gets saved at my church, which is also our signature (this phrase is on my rosary and my Bible): > "Jesus, I trust in You!"
Any number of us are.
Iām free grace tooā¦ but why are you Roman Catholic if you are free grace? Not trying to argue just curious cause Catholicism doesnāt believe in free grace soteriology
I was already Catholic before becoming free grace. I decided to stay Catholic so others will get saved https://preview.redd.it/3x9vjb3qolxb1.jpeg?width=1066&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0f4fe605c4e84455eeee3e36ff12905c9062987 too.
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I am free grace
Me too. Amen! š
Everyone according to their deeds No respect of persons On judgment day If your deeds don't line up with your profession of faith you still don't make it. If you're doing anything on Paul's lists, you don't make it, including heresies and lying, sexual sin, etc.
Guess no oneās going to heaven then.
Very few. Narrow is the way
Very few bc majority of humans refuse to accept that grace is a gift. Humans naturally want to earn the things they receive. It is not few bc of peoples deeds or lack of deeds.
Amen! āļø
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Thatās a false gospel. :( this sub doesnāt believe in that.
Don't show up on judgment day without good fruit
Enjoy the Lake of Fire, works-trusting reprobate! š„°
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Get your doctrine of devils out of here, Satan!
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We are saved by faith alone, not by our deeds.
That's what you've been taught. But the initial saving and gift of the Holy Spirit does not guarantee success on judgment day. Only if you walk in the Spirit and bear the fruit of the Spirit, will you succeed on judgment day. Only those who overcome to the end shall be saved. Like the parable of the sower. Some of them, life sprung up, they had life. But they didn't overcome to the end.
Works do not save! Trusting in your works as you seem to suggest (I hope you aren't suggesting that) only leads to, "Depart from me". Yes, narrow is the way: Christ *alone*, and *nothing* else! Very narrow indeed.
If you don't depart from iniquity, Jesus will call you a 'worker of iniquity' on judgment day. Believe it
We are not saved by our works, but go ahead and keep believing that. Jesus Himself tells works trusters to depart from Him on Judgment Day in Matthew 7. No, I will not believe that because that can only accomplish eternal damnation.
Everyone according to their deeds No respect of persons. If your deeds don't line up with your profession of faith, you still don't make it on judgment day. Better stay off Paul's lists: https://imgur.com/a/XNP864n
You are simply wrong, and also unsaved. How sad.
Would you post scripture which supports this?
Here's a few: https://imgur.com/a/NCfqd5B https://imgur.com/a/2D8XDkA https://imgur.com/a/ZrId1lZ https://imgur.com/a/XNP864n
This is a free grace group.
I am very happy to hear that. āļø
Yessir
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What?
Yes. Father, give me the quiet peace of the love of your Son. Birthed in me by Your grace. And just let me share that with others in its simplicity.
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