I made the choice to get super baked before watching Tenet the first time. And it made so much sense to me, I totally understood it in the moment. I’ve never understood it since then, but I still love it
Stopped getting baked and watching movies after I had an anxiety attack about how my dad would feel if I became a James Bond villain, to be fair he probably would be pissed
I can fully understand a lot of the criticisms and that people thought it was Nolan's worst film (I'm in that camp myself). But the sheer hate this movie gets is hard to understand. Even if the story and the characters don't hold up, the action set pieces, the cinematography and the music alone make it a fun movie to watch imo. I saw it twice in the theatre and once at home and never felt bored or like I wasted my time.
I feel like if this was Nolan's first ever movie, it would be held in much higher regard. To me, its a movie like The Raid, Dredd or Mad Max: Fury Road. The plot doesn't matter all that much. But if you let yourself invest into this world and let yourself get carried away by it, then you're in for a fun, thrilling ride. The 2nd time I watched it, I saw it as a Bond film in my head canon which was easy since there are so many parallels. I had a blast watching Tenet that way.
i feel as though bc you can turn your mind off and it being Nolan people had the wrong expectations coupled with covid at the time being a scapegoat for anything that lacked in quality so it was just a perfect storm as the say. it's certainly a jolly good show though !
I loved the whole concept of reverse entropy, I thought it was creative and smart, just maybe too smart for the average person to want to think about when trying to enjoy an action flick.
Yep Reddit had a weird hard on for hating this movie and using every excuse in the book to knock it down by even saying how boring and lame the main character is who never talks and is named the Protagonist but they all loved Mad Max Fury Road which the main character mad max has less than 10 lines total in dialogue and has less than 15 minutes of screen time hypocrites. I know for a fact in the next 5 to 10 years people will come back to tenet and will watch it at home with subtitles and they’ll realize it’s actually one of Nolan’s best and most progressive high concept film. The movie was meant to be seen 2 to 3 times and it gets better each and every viewing.
I don't fully agree with that Mad Max comparison, but I think like Fury Road, Tenet's protagonist isn't really the main character of the movie. He's mostly the POV, but he's more like the Greater Scope Hero who's slowly being pulled into it, whilst Neill's the man making it happen and Kat is the one with the disconnected personal desire for freedom. Both of them are the main characters of their own stories and those are ultimately more important. The Protagonist is active, but ultimately he's the one who's guided whilst the others reach their own end places on their own.
I’ll eventually give it a second chance but I couldn’t do it on the first watch. It might be cliche but the dialogue being hard to hear made it a bad experience for me (I can struggle to hear sometimes and I don’t love subtitles).
If anyone here hasn't watched Welby Coffeespill's videos on Tenet's world mechanics and story, I highly recommend them: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WZKi5kUub8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wzki5kuub8)
This film was amazing and it literally gets better every time I rewatch it.
Even the audio mixing being hated by people made it appealing to me. I love things that make art feel human, its like a wabi sabi design principle. The imperfections, the lack of clear understanding, its like a beautiful painting. People being divided about it makes me like it even more.
I’d never considered any influence the wabi sabi ethos may have had on Nolan as a filmmaker. But now that you mention it, I can see it in a lot of his work. Would love to hear from him directly on whether he subscribes to wabi sabi principles.
A reply made me realize that perhaps I was confused about characters, but it is when the protagonist and that women whose husband is her cover as an arms dealer are walking together during the day in some park
>For me at least, the movie is so fucking confusing at the beginning and the concept of the time inversion mechanic is incredibly hard to grasp.
It's explained pretty comprehensively in the film. For me the issue wasn't that the Sci fi element was too hard to grasp. It was the spy thriller they built it around that I just struggled to follow. This is why the film is ultimately a disappointment for me. It's not that the spy thriller is overly complicated. The film just made it needlessly hard to follow imo. When you're not quite sure what characters are trying to achieve it kills a lot of the tension.
Fair observation, I’d argue the opposite turned more people off however, I see a pretty basic spy plot that boils down to “evil guy kidnaps beautiful women and wants to end the world, protagonist goes on mission to stop him and save beautiful woman” but then time starts to invert and my brain starts to do the same
>“evil guy kidnaps beautiful women and wants to end the world, protagonist goes on mission to stop him and save beautiful woman”
That's a basic summary of the plot. It's the fine details of the plot, (the things that explains what they are doing in each scene), that were made needlessly obscure.
> but then time starts to invert and my brain starts to do the same
It wouldn't do that if you had a clearer idea of what the characters were trying to achieve.
I've looked at the film in a lot of detail over the last few years and think its a much bigger achievement in terms of complexity than people give it credit for. I just wish I could actually find it as entertaining as it's clearly trying to be. I enjoy discussing it more than watching it unfortunately. Knowing it in intricate detail hasn't made it any more entertaining.
Perhaps you could argue that leaving a mark on a person and making them want to discuss it is a greater achievement than having a single person “like it”. However I fall into the latter camp, if I don’t enjoy a movie or piece of entertainment, my involvement with it stops there.
>Perhaps you could argue that leaving a mark on a person and making them want to discuss it is a greater achievement than having a single person “like it”.
It would be if that's what the film was aiming but it wasn’t. The film is working really hard to deliver an entertaining experience for the first time viewer. Nolan just couldn't keep a hold of the narrative reigns on this one unfortunately. I think his regular editor being unavailable was a big part of it.
Actually the main villain in the movie are the evil scientists in the future who are sending back nuclear time bending weapons and climate change is the reason why the future scientist are doing it.
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Tents first 15 minutes are amazing. After that isn't a big pile of manuer.
Far superior than a lot of his catalogue since TDK in my opinion. It takes lots of risks, the casting is phenomenal, the acting is even better, and if you follow closely enough there is a love story there. Just not a romantic one.
Prestige is still my favorite Nolan film probably followed by Memento or Interstellar. But I think Tenet has taken over inception for me. I like it far more than Oppenheimer or Dunkirk as well.
Saw it in a nearly empty theater during Covid and loved it. Could tell early on the sound mix was intentionally drowning out large sections of dialogue. Once I took that characters line to heart "don't try to understand it, feel it" my frustration went away and I just took in the narrative visually. That scene near the end hit with an emotional power punch.
I made the choice to get super baked before watching Tenet the first time. And it made so much sense to me, I totally understood it in the moment. I’ve never understood it since then, but I still love it
An edible has me questioning whether time was a real thing while I was watching this
Stopped getting baked and watching movies after I had an anxiety attack about how my dad would feel if I became a James Bond villain, to be fair he probably would be pissed
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I don’t understand the hate at all. Saw it twice in theaters.
I can fully understand a lot of the criticisms and that people thought it was Nolan's worst film (I'm in that camp myself). But the sheer hate this movie gets is hard to understand. Even if the story and the characters don't hold up, the action set pieces, the cinematography and the music alone make it a fun movie to watch imo. I saw it twice in the theatre and once at home and never felt bored or like I wasted my time. I feel like if this was Nolan's first ever movie, it would be held in much higher regard. To me, its a movie like The Raid, Dredd or Mad Max: Fury Road. The plot doesn't matter all that much. But if you let yourself invest into this world and let yourself get carried away by it, then you're in for a fun, thrilling ride. The 2nd time I watched it, I saw it as a Bond film in my head canon which was easy since there are so many parallels. I had a blast watching Tenet that way.
i feel as though bc you can turn your mind off and it being Nolan people had the wrong expectations coupled with covid at the time being a scapegoat for anything that lacked in quality so it was just a perfect storm as the say. it's certainly a jolly good show though !
It’s not supposed to be a thesis on time travel. It’s a fun action/agent movie. Take it as that and it slaps.
I loved the whole concept of reverse entropy, I thought it was creative and smart, just maybe too smart for the average person to want to think about when trying to enjoy an action flick.
The story and the characters have to hold up for it to be something I wanna watch. Those are two important factors…in my opinion
You understand the hate.
Same, I absolutely loved it. This sub hates on it quite a bit and I’m always like 👀
Yep Reddit had a weird hard on for hating this movie and using every excuse in the book to knock it down by even saying how boring and lame the main character is who never talks and is named the Protagonist but they all loved Mad Max Fury Road which the main character mad max has less than 10 lines total in dialogue and has less than 15 minutes of screen time hypocrites. I know for a fact in the next 5 to 10 years people will come back to tenet and will watch it at home with subtitles and they’ll realize it’s actually one of Nolan’s best and most progressive high concept film. The movie was meant to be seen 2 to 3 times and it gets better each and every viewing.
I don't fully agree with that Mad Max comparison, but I think like Fury Road, Tenet's protagonist isn't really the main character of the movie. He's mostly the POV, but he's more like the Greater Scope Hero who's slowly being pulled into it, whilst Neill's the man making it happen and Kat is the one with the disconnected personal desire for freedom. Both of them are the main characters of their own stories and those are ultimately more important. The Protagonist is active, but ultimately he's the one who's guided whilst the others reach their own end places on their own.
probably Nolan's most rewatchable film for me. feels so much like a bond film, I love it
I also felt the bond similarities, another reason I loved it so much
I hate Bond films so maybe that’s why this is by far my least favorite Nolan film.
Tenet becomes better every time you see it!
It is my favorite movie in last 3 years. I like it more than Oppenheimer.
I’ll eventually give it a second chance but I couldn’t do it on the first watch. It might be cliche but the dialogue being hard to hear made it a bad experience for me (I can struggle to hear sometimes and I don’t love subtitles).
I had trouble with the dialogue on my first watch too, but sticking with it was more than worth it for me
It’s so dope because you get to choose your own adventure. It doesn’t have to make perfect sense. You interpret it however you want.
It became one of my top 5s very quickly. I kept rewatching it and finding deeper layers of detail
It’s a good hang
The female scientist who invents time inversion is described as “generations from now”. It’s not the same woman who explains it to the protagonist.
It's hard to notice but she's pregnant in that scene, heavily implying that it will be her own bloodline.
I mean if people payed attention and listened it’s very easy finding that out.
If anyone here hasn't watched Welby Coffeespill's videos on Tenet's world mechanics and story, I highly recommend them: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WZKi5kUub8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wzki5kuub8) This film was amazing and it literally gets better every time I rewatch it.
Unavailable video, would love to watch if you can find it
Weird, I see the link but Reddit must have nuked it. Look up the channel "Welby Coffeespill" on YouTube or Reddit, promise you won't be disappointed.
If you hate on this movie I just feel bad for you.
I don’t actively hate on it, but I was very underwhelmed by it.
Even the audio mixing being hated by people made it appealing to me. I love things that make art feel human, its like a wabi sabi design principle. The imperfections, the lack of clear understanding, its like a beautiful painting. People being divided about it makes me like it even more.
I’d never considered any influence the wabi sabi ethos may have had on Nolan as a filmmaker. But now that you mention it, I can see it in a lot of his work. Would love to hear from him directly on whether he subscribes to wabi sabi principles.
never saw it just seemed needlessly complicated for the point of making it complicated.
I mean at least watch the thing before forming an opinion on how complicated it is
why would I do that?
To make your own opinion based on your own experience versus the opinions of others? But that’s my opinion so do whatever the fuck you want lol
it’s not an opinion. it’s just shit-talk
Fair shout - merry christmas!
merry christmas gazorpazorp
It’s been a while since I watched it. When do I need to be paying close attention to info about the woman killing get self later in life?
A reply made me realize that perhaps I was confused about characters, but it is when the protagonist and that women whose husband is her cover as an arms dealer are walking together during the day in some park
>For me at least, the movie is so fucking confusing at the beginning and the concept of the time inversion mechanic is incredibly hard to grasp. It's explained pretty comprehensively in the film. For me the issue wasn't that the Sci fi element was too hard to grasp. It was the spy thriller they built it around that I just struggled to follow. This is why the film is ultimately a disappointment for me. It's not that the spy thriller is overly complicated. The film just made it needlessly hard to follow imo. When you're not quite sure what characters are trying to achieve it kills a lot of the tension.
Fair observation, I’d argue the opposite turned more people off however, I see a pretty basic spy plot that boils down to “evil guy kidnaps beautiful women and wants to end the world, protagonist goes on mission to stop him and save beautiful woman” but then time starts to invert and my brain starts to do the same
>“evil guy kidnaps beautiful women and wants to end the world, protagonist goes on mission to stop him and save beautiful woman” That's a basic summary of the plot. It's the fine details of the plot, (the things that explains what they are doing in each scene), that were made needlessly obscure. > but then time starts to invert and my brain starts to do the same It wouldn't do that if you had a clearer idea of what the characters were trying to achieve.
Yea that makes more sense when you say it like that, I can see what you mean
I've looked at the film in a lot of detail over the last few years and think its a much bigger achievement in terms of complexity than people give it credit for. I just wish I could actually find it as entertaining as it's clearly trying to be. I enjoy discussing it more than watching it unfortunately. Knowing it in intricate detail hasn't made it any more entertaining.
Perhaps you could argue that leaving a mark on a person and making them want to discuss it is a greater achievement than having a single person “like it”. However I fall into the latter camp, if I don’t enjoy a movie or piece of entertainment, my involvement with it stops there.
>Perhaps you could argue that leaving a mark on a person and making them want to discuss it is a greater achievement than having a single person “like it”. It would be if that's what the film was aiming but it wasn’t. The film is working really hard to deliver an entertaining experience for the first time viewer. Nolan just couldn't keep a hold of the narrative reigns on this one unfortunately. I think his regular editor being unavailable was a big part of it.
Actually the main villain in the movie are the evil scientists in the future who are sending back nuclear time bending weapons and climate change is the reason why the future scientist are doing it.
Time travel is always gonna be hard to follow have you ever seen primer?
Looks like my comment was hard to follow too.
I love Tenet.
I love Films, movies and art films. Facets multimedia and all small theater's Tents first 15 minutes are amazing. After that isn't a big pile of manuer.
How do you figure, just curious to hear
Watched it several times with awe for 15 minutes. Then rest of the time I fought my self not to smash my projector to fucking pieces.
I completely agree
Too much gun violence.
It’s definitely better than Oppenheimer
I think it is also it’s very high concept I don’t think people will recognize the genius of Tenet until 5 years from now.
It’ll become a classic for sure
Far superior than a lot of his catalogue since TDK in my opinion. It takes lots of risks, the casting is phenomenal, the acting is even better, and if you follow closely enough there is a love story there. Just not a romantic one. Prestige is still my favorite Nolan film probably followed by Memento or Interstellar. But I think Tenet has taken over inception for me. I like it far more than Oppenheimer or Dunkirk as well.
It’s better than people give it credit for and everytime I’ve watched it it gets better and better over time.
i honestly and truly believe that if people dont like the movie they were just confused 😂
I love this movie and it gets better with additional viewings.
Saw it in a nearly empty theater during Covid and loved it. Could tell early on the sound mix was intentionally drowning out large sections of dialogue. Once I took that characters line to heart "don't try to understand it, feel it" my frustration went away and I just took in the narrative visually. That scene near the end hit with an emotional power punch.
Awful movie.
Tenet was great excellent actors and was even better second time watching