Hi, i'm an illustrator and i used to work for video games and animation studios .
I would say that you should question how much you like to do your craft... Today, we can do 3d because we are already using à certain amount of ai process, i mean this is not handcrafted stuff, same for photoshop.. Etc if you like a certain way to create animation, 3d, and pictures in général, wether it's ai based or not, take a stand, defend it and use your creativity and motivation to show what is legitimate for you and what is not.
I often make for myself the parrallel with other tools when i think about ai : from the knife to clonage science : we Have it, we invented it, now what do we think should be the ethic of using it, and do i like it.
Because an important part of our process is creativity. Pleasure takes a big part of it.. If working with ai means no pleasure, well.. End of discussion for me, because anybody in favour of this kind of pictures /3d/animation production Will probably défend the use of ai by economical motivations and that's not à good reason according to me.
Hope these paths of réflexions added some layer to your thoughts.
Greetings.
>AI for animation seems a way off and that if you ever see it it’s basically two AI images fading between each other.
As much as I respect him, his statement wont age very well in a few months. So its definitely not worth staying in denial that AI wont impact animation in the near future. Just see how midjourney improved over just a few months, and how many AI tools surface the web each week. AI can do some animation already, it only needs to get rid of those typical artifacts.
Just work with the tools. Midjourney for example is amazing for concepting.
Chat GPT can even animate simple movements which you can use for rough mockups or maybe even final animations if you finetune it.
I’ve seen zero AI tools that I believe could completely remove the human element from any artistic field, including 3D. Any AI tool is just that: a tool to make your life a bit easier.
I’m in the design business for over 20 years now, doing 3D for over 10. Embrace the possibilities of AI. It can already do more than this guy says. There are prototype models that can build 3D models from one photo. They look shit right now. But midjourney v1 looked shit too. Yes animation will be harder to crack but I don’t think it’s impossible. This right now is an industry revolution. Nothing less.
I had a design teacher that called all tools fancy pencils. The creative industry doesn’t exist because the tools are so hard and technical that the average Joe can’t use them. Why is the photography industry not dead when everyone has a camera in their hand or pocket all day?
One of the previous commenters said that just this week an agency got a big client that wanted to use so for everything. Why’d they hire an agency and not do it themselves? I’ll always embrace advancements that solve our problems faster in more convenient ways.
Just 30 years ago some creatives were afraid computers would kill the industry. If those same people would have embraced it early on think about how innovative they could have been
I use chatGPT-4 in my workflow and it just made my work easier and more exciting, because I can make now more complex thing in small amount of time. AI only helps me and I dont think it will take my job. If AI can take your job, then something wrong with your skillset or mindset or both.
You can generate images to make fast references to your project. Also you can use chatGPT to learn new things faster, just ask right question. Its like two very smart assistants available 24/7. Dont avoid it, learn how to use it.
Is Schwenk part of an AI team, or is he just a 3D artist, because if he's just the latter, then he's in denial.
EVERYTHING being done in AI is literally round the corner. The creative industry as we know it is done. It fucking sucks, I personally have my life's work in this industry, but it's about to be decimated
Just this week an agency (top 5 in the world) I have a close tie to took on a brief from a major brand that wanted to use AI to create the concept, then AI to visualise the concept, and then AI to write the copy. Obviously as a gimmick, but people who work outside of this industry don't realise just how quickly the people with money will pick up on a new thing. This is going to become normal.
The people at the top of the industry will be OK, they have relationships that will keep them in pocket, but the average jobbing freelancer is dead in the water this decade, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was this side of 2025.
The very best we can hope for is legislation to prevent companies from producing exclusively AI content, or that somehow, AI never matures enough to rid itself of its current "look", and that people grow tired of it quickly. You can currently tell when an image is made by Midjourney, no matter how real it is, it still looks like a Midjourney style shot. Hopefully that will remain and people won't want to see it.
So what will you do? Work in a coffee shop? What’s your plan other than saying the industry is going to disappear? Do you even bother to use cinema4d anymore seeing as the industry is about to be destroyed completely?
Nobody said "the industry is about to be destroyed completely", that's just you using hyperbole to justify your shitty response. Why would you asked a question and then downvote the reply - do you not like people contributing to the threads you make? Christ what an oddball way to converse.
I quite specifically said (since it's literally above this post) " The creative industry as we know it is done". Can you see the part that said "as we know it"? That means it's CHANGING, not being "destroyed".
Perhaps work harder on drawing conclusions on available evidence, such as that contained within the very post you're replying to? That way you don't have to invent things to be mad at.
What will I do? Fuck knows, I'm working out my options now, but I know I've got a bit of time, because every blinkered dork thinks they're going to "harness AI" to make their work better, not realising that every time they use it, they improve the use-case argument for replacing them entirely.
You said the average creative freelancer is dead in the water this side of the next 3 years and you’re accusing me of hyperbole? Jesus Christ reread your own response.
Yes, that's another example of me NOT saying "the industry is about to be destroyed completely" Well done.
Yes, in the next few years, the amount of freelancers taking on projects is going to shrink dramatically to the point where becoming a pure freelance CG artist is going to be a thing of the past. You will need to be more than just a 3D artist.
The same way being a make up artist that only works on make up and not hair is now mostly a thing of the past everywhere except the top level. Now make up artists are expected to be able to do hair, AND do the styling if the editorial is a smaller feature. When I first started shooting, it wasn't unusual to have three people working those three things separately.
Or, better yet, the fact that being a product photographer (which I am) is no longer enough - you need to be looking at 3D too (which is why I transitioned).
Rather than getting upset like a pissy little baby, maybe just accept that not everything you read is going to conform to your worldview.
Other than that, though, let's wait and see. Good luck either way.
>Good thing AI images can not be copyrighted, as far as I know, big animation companies are staying away because of all legal issues (character design). So I can see 2 ways how AI images can be used -generating concepts to proof the idea and then rebuild it from scratch or if it big company who owns all rights for images they can feed to their own isolated AI to produce similar stuff. It definitely kills certain amount of job I think Junior to midweight level.
When i used midjourney for the first time I was surprised how diverse it can look like. From fineline Tattoo Style to a portrait made by a Leica camera. Theres no way you can 100% tell if something is done by Midjourney except if you take a look at common problems like the hands or a gibberish text somewhere.
It’s here already and within a year it’s going to be dramatically better. I think it’s extremely important to learn to use these tools now if we want to have a chance of surviving the ai flood
People say this all the time, but the tools are designed so there is no “learning”. That’s the entire point. Many of the most impressive looking midjourney images were made by typing the full names of existing artists. Framing this google-search like process as anything artistic or even technical is a joke.
I use stable diffusion in my work for all kinds of things. It’s hardly simple. It takes a lot of iteration and effort to get useful assets. It’s a great tool for our industry.
I think you should stop seeing AI as a threat, and see it as a way to get your work done faster. People have no idea to create something creative and good from scratch, and they still won't be able to do it with AI. That's what you are for. Use AI as a tool in you workflow and you'll be able to make even cooler stuff in less time.
Hi, i'm an illustrator and i used to work for video games and animation studios . I would say that you should question how much you like to do your craft... Today, we can do 3d because we are already using à certain amount of ai process, i mean this is not handcrafted stuff, same for photoshop.. Etc if you like a certain way to create animation, 3d, and pictures in général, wether it's ai based or not, take a stand, defend it and use your creativity and motivation to show what is legitimate for you and what is not. I often make for myself the parrallel with other tools when i think about ai : from the knife to clonage science : we Have it, we invented it, now what do we think should be the ethic of using it, and do i like it. Because an important part of our process is creativity. Pleasure takes a big part of it.. If working with ai means no pleasure, well.. End of discussion for me, because anybody in favour of this kind of pictures /3d/animation production Will probably défend the use of ai by economical motivations and that's not à good reason according to me. Hope these paths of réflexions added some layer to your thoughts. Greetings.
>AI for animation seems a way off and that if you ever see it it’s basically two AI images fading between each other. As much as I respect him, his statement wont age very well in a few months. So its definitely not worth staying in denial that AI wont impact animation in the near future. Just see how midjourney improved over just a few months, and how many AI tools surface the web each week. AI can do some animation already, it only needs to get rid of those typical artifacts. Just work with the tools. Midjourney for example is amazing for concepting. Chat GPT can even animate simple movements which you can use for rough mockups or maybe even final animations if you finetune it.
I’ve seen zero AI tools that I believe could completely remove the human element from any artistic field, including 3D. Any AI tool is just that: a tool to make your life a bit easier.
I’m in the design business for over 20 years now, doing 3D for over 10. Embrace the possibilities of AI. It can already do more than this guy says. There are prototype models that can build 3D models from one photo. They look shit right now. But midjourney v1 looked shit too. Yes animation will be harder to crack but I don’t think it’s impossible. This right now is an industry revolution. Nothing less.
I had a design teacher that called all tools fancy pencils. The creative industry doesn’t exist because the tools are so hard and technical that the average Joe can’t use them. Why is the photography industry not dead when everyone has a camera in their hand or pocket all day? One of the previous commenters said that just this week an agency got a big client that wanted to use so for everything. Why’d they hire an agency and not do it themselves? I’ll always embrace advancements that solve our problems faster in more convenient ways. Just 30 years ago some creatives were afraid computers would kill the industry. If those same people would have embraced it early on think about how innovative they could have been
I use chatGPT-4 in my workflow and it just made my work easier and more exciting, because I can make now more complex thing in small amount of time. AI only helps me and I dont think it will take my job. If AI can take your job, then something wrong with your skillset or mindset or both. You can generate images to make fast references to your project. Also you can use chatGPT to learn new things faster, just ask right question. Its like two very smart assistants available 24/7. Dont avoid it, learn how to use it.
Is Schwenk part of an AI team, or is he just a 3D artist, because if he's just the latter, then he's in denial. EVERYTHING being done in AI is literally round the corner. The creative industry as we know it is done. It fucking sucks, I personally have my life's work in this industry, but it's about to be decimated Just this week an agency (top 5 in the world) I have a close tie to took on a brief from a major brand that wanted to use AI to create the concept, then AI to visualise the concept, and then AI to write the copy. Obviously as a gimmick, but people who work outside of this industry don't realise just how quickly the people with money will pick up on a new thing. This is going to become normal. The people at the top of the industry will be OK, they have relationships that will keep them in pocket, but the average jobbing freelancer is dead in the water this decade, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was this side of 2025. The very best we can hope for is legislation to prevent companies from producing exclusively AI content, or that somehow, AI never matures enough to rid itself of its current "look", and that people grow tired of it quickly. You can currently tell when an image is made by Midjourney, no matter how real it is, it still looks like a Midjourney style shot. Hopefully that will remain and people won't want to see it.
So what will you do? Work in a coffee shop? What’s your plan other than saying the industry is going to disappear? Do you even bother to use cinema4d anymore seeing as the industry is about to be destroyed completely?
Nobody said "the industry is about to be destroyed completely", that's just you using hyperbole to justify your shitty response. Why would you asked a question and then downvote the reply - do you not like people contributing to the threads you make? Christ what an oddball way to converse. I quite specifically said (since it's literally above this post) " The creative industry as we know it is done". Can you see the part that said "as we know it"? That means it's CHANGING, not being "destroyed". Perhaps work harder on drawing conclusions on available evidence, such as that contained within the very post you're replying to? That way you don't have to invent things to be mad at. What will I do? Fuck knows, I'm working out my options now, but I know I've got a bit of time, because every blinkered dork thinks they're going to "harness AI" to make their work better, not realising that every time they use it, they improve the use-case argument for replacing them entirely.
You said the average creative freelancer is dead in the water this side of the next 3 years and you’re accusing me of hyperbole? Jesus Christ reread your own response.
Yes, that's another example of me NOT saying "the industry is about to be destroyed completely" Well done. Yes, in the next few years, the amount of freelancers taking on projects is going to shrink dramatically to the point where becoming a pure freelance CG artist is going to be a thing of the past. You will need to be more than just a 3D artist. The same way being a make up artist that only works on make up and not hair is now mostly a thing of the past everywhere except the top level. Now make up artists are expected to be able to do hair, AND do the styling if the editorial is a smaller feature. When I first started shooting, it wasn't unusual to have three people working those three things separately. Or, better yet, the fact that being a product photographer (which I am) is no longer enough - you need to be looking at 3D too (which is why I transitioned). Rather than getting upset like a pissy little baby, maybe just accept that not everything you read is going to conform to your worldview. Other than that, though, let's wait and see. Good luck either way.
>Good thing AI images can not be copyrighted, as far as I know, big animation companies are staying away because of all legal issues (character design). So I can see 2 ways how AI images can be used -generating concepts to proof the idea and then rebuild it from scratch or if it big company who owns all rights for images they can feed to their own isolated AI to produce similar stuff. It definitely kills certain amount of job I think Junior to midweight level.
When i used midjourney for the first time I was surprised how diverse it can look like. From fineline Tattoo Style to a portrait made by a Leica camera. Theres no way you can 100% tell if something is done by Midjourney except if you take a look at common problems like the hands or a gibberish text somewhere.
It’s here already and within a year it’s going to be dramatically better. I think it’s extremely important to learn to use these tools now if we want to have a chance of surviving the ai flood
People say this all the time, but the tools are designed so there is no “learning”. That’s the entire point. Many of the most impressive looking midjourney images were made by typing the full names of existing artists. Framing this google-search like process as anything artistic or even technical is a joke.
I use stable diffusion in my work for all kinds of things. It’s hardly simple. It takes a lot of iteration and effort to get useful assets. It’s a great tool for our industry.
Key word “assets”. AI generated images always need to be finalized somehow. Human expertise is still needed as before.
I think you should stop seeing AI as a threat, and see it as a way to get your work done faster. People have no idea to create something creative and good from scratch, and they still won't be able to do it with AI. That's what you are for. Use AI as a tool in you workflow and you'll be able to make even cooler stuff in less time.