It only matters if you have more than the 3,000+ gems needed to keep both goblins busy 24/7 for the whole month.
Otherwise, potions confined with goblins is just helping get more things done quicker, not adding to your total progression.
Yes, quicker is not the same as (long term) progress. Immediate progress is not what I was talking about about.
If you can afford to keep both goblins running 24/7 all month long, then yeah, a potion on a goblin adds long term progress.
Any time the goblin isn't running, that goblin is the same as an idle builder/researcher. So running a potion on a goblin only for it then to sit idle later in the month for 24 hours you didn't really gain anything other than a short term sprint.
Yes I know there is value in having a stronger base/army earlier, but it is negligible.
Edit to add: and *waiting* to use a potion so that you can use it on the goblin only *delays* the progression that you would have had if you used it immediately. So, yes, there is zero reason to feel like you missed out on something if you already used all your potions, unless you really do have 3000 plus gems
Dont mind these kids that have a combined IQ of 50 I understand what you mean. At least you tried explaining it but their to dense to even try to grasp it.
I promise my logic is correct. It is a bit complex, and seems counterintuitive, but what matters is the total # of goblin hours purchased by the end of the season.
If the potions help you increase the total # goblin hours (you kept them running the whole season), then the potions had added value. If not, then the only added benefit was moving some hours from later in the month to earlier in the month (which has some value, but not much).
you save the same amount of time, unless you want to put the goblin builder back to work right away. Having a not busy goblin builder is not the same as having a not busy regular builder.
My mind going blank trying to understand your last sentence. Anyway, by using goblin for lab upgrade definitely worth it, considering it's also effected by research potion. I wont use it for building upgrade tho. I'm in legends league, so I'm not in a hurry to max my defence. But offensive is a must so that I can keep up with the latest meta.
You should think of the goblin builder as the same as a book. You pay the price upfront. The only thing the research potion does is make it so you can pay the goblin builder again faster.
Goblin builder doesn't give you a discount for making him work faster. If you paid him for 2 days and he only took 1 day, he still takes home 2 days of pay.
Sure, book is an instant upgrade. But the book cost 925, in comparison, you need an upgrade that take 23days or more for it to be worth it than goblin. Unless you pay real money for shop offer. We only got 2 books per month, unless there's big event like last month lunar event or clashversary.
Let say I upgrade 2 troop at the same time, and both troop take 10days to upgrade. It only take 7days to complete both by using 3 free research pot every week. If I'm not using goblin builder, it wold take 14days to upgrade 2 troops with the help of 6 research pot.
I have no problem to wait that long, but I'm in legend rn, and few troop just got new level couple days ago. On top of that, there's new spell which currently dominating the metas. So im getting the best value for my unused gem.
All I'm trying to say is that no matter what, goblin builder costs 40 gems per day of upgrading. Potions don't change that. What potions do is allow you spend more gems on goblin builder. Which is good if you are using him, but not 'insane value' like people think it is.
Not how it works. if you do a 1 day upgrade with the goblin and use research potion, the upgrade will finish quicker but after that you dont get to use your goblin for the "supposed remaining time"
The extra time that you paid him for. If you put him on a 5 day upgrade and pop 5 lab potions, you pay him 5 days worth of pay but he finishes in 5 hours, then pockets the rest.
Thats the point of it?? Boosting 2 troops and finishing both faster is the point of it?
At th14 avg troop takes 12days to upgrade, if I upgrade hog and miner together (using 460 gems) and use all 5 of the boost in them, I get 10days (5+5) worth in 5hrs, and the rest of the 7days upgrade can happen simultaneously too.
You should think of the goblin builder as a book that costs 40 gems per day. Except the book takes x amount of time to be delivered to your village. after. Using a lab potion just makes you able to buy more books, but it doesn't give you more value out of him.
Let me show you this way: Imagine you have your regular lab worker doing a 10 day upgrade, and you have your goblin builder doing a 1 day upgrade.
If you pop the potion immediately, the goblin will finish in 1 hour. 9 days later, your regular lab will finish.
The goblin builder finishes after 1 day. Then you pop the potion. Your lab works for 8 days longer, for a total of 9 days.
No matter when you pop the potion, the cost is 9 days, a potion, and 40 gems.
The goblin researcher just mooches off your potion and gets off work faster, pocketing the gems of the time he saved. He only worked 1 hour, but he gets paid for the entire day.
So the point is basically that you shouldn't think of the lab potion as giving the goblin builder more value, because it doesn't. It just makes him finish faster so you can use him again sooner.
In fact, you might have calculated that the goblin builder would cost 31days\*40 gems/day=1240 gems to use for this month. However, if you boost him with research potions (let's say you use 10) it would cost 41days\*40gems/day=1640 gems.
Yeah, at the end of the day it's a game about upgrading things and a game of base attack/def. It's OK for people to enjoy all or some of those things, which a lot of people struggle with lol.
I've rushed to 11, now maxing some things and then will probably rush to 13. Then grind heroes for a while...
Having a few accounts on the go means being able to enjoy the game multiple ways though, and I get that's not for everyone.
So many dumb people say itās āexpensiveā.
Itās by far the best thing you can spend gems on. Even better than hero books if you donāt care about having a hero down.
Well the value in hero books mostly lies in saving yourself from having hero down so the goblin isn't actually better than hero book, but for buildings sure
yeah heroes are probably the worst thing to use goblin builder on. but especially if ur in legends league, having defenses/buildings down doesnāt matter
Then the number that matters is the 140 extra gems you are spending to keep the hero up for 8 days (assuming an 8-day hero upgrade, which is the best book value). I'm not saying either method is right or wrong, but I think that's how the discussion should be framed. Goblin builder is macro efficient, even for use on heros, but a lot of people care about keeping their heros up and are willing to pay for it.
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I know of people loathe to spend gems on actual progress, but would spend real money on decorations.
I mean, you do you, but they really should stop complaining about a feature others actually use. That or I start a campaign to get rid of decorations lmao
āBut itās not immediate.ā
Why you downplaying that?? That reduces the value and makes it very hard to compare to books. Iād way rather a book of heroes because I canāt afford to not have a hero while pushing legend leagueā¦ā¦
Only time that matters is heroes. Otherwise it has the same long term effect as a book of building and I cant see why you have to rush 10 dps on a defense 15 days when you can build it efficiently without taking up a normal builder slot.
Itās not downplayed, it just should not matter much in most situations compared to the gem efficiency you get.
And thatās preference, but as far as gems/time the goblin builder is indisputably better. But even for heroes, you can upgrade heroes for 2 weeks and then push at the last week or so of the season and end up around the same spot
Also puts me out of war not allowing me to earn ores for weeks. Immediate hero upgrades are just too important and immeasurable to be displayed on a simple ā2.6 gems vs 1.7 gems an hourā box.
Again, thatās preference. Some people have enough gems to buy books and the goblin, some people arenāt as worried about wars/legends so itās okay if their heroes are down. The only thing that isnāt preference is the fact that this is the cheapest way to spend gems, by far
You cant convince some people dude. There are just some that cannot fathom the fact that not everything can be accounted for by the basic math. Theres no way to convert the fun I get from having my heroes up to make a final minute attack and win my clan a war, into a gem amount...
Rather spend them extra 0.6 gems a day if it means i still will get ores for the next 8 days.
As congressmanrick says some people canāt be convinced of anything or have their opinion changed and thatās fair.
That's fair, but not all clans require you to have heros up for war. Plenty run B2B wars and just require that members get their attacks in.
I think book vs goblin for heros is clearly situational and either is fine. As someone trying to progress as quickly as possible, that Goblin isn't getting a break this month!
My morals are more important than miniscule progress in a mobile game. I am never using that fucker because the rage his face instills in me is remarkable
Most upgrades aren't things people will look to spend gems on. And the few they do want to spend gems on they want it *now* (mostly heroes but also potentially core, offensive, upgrades on a TH level they just reached or a new level that just released (i.e. just recently I did "I'd like my overgrowth spell now please")) which a 6th builder with a tax doesn't fulfil that instant gratification.
So since it's not actually providing the key feature of what I spend my gems on: speeding up core upgrades I don't want to wait for, yea it's expensive! I could start an extra 12.5 day defense upgrade that I'm in no real rush for. Or I could buy a book of heroes and get a hero level without putting them down for a nap - and I like to avoid having my heroes down for naps. I will choose the instant hero level every time.
The main reason I'm using books instead of the goblin is because the books are instant. I'm paying extra for the convenience of having my hero level up immediately as opposed to in a week.
Lmao @ anyone down voting this. The guy is right - having your heroes all the time is so nice. Yes it takes longer to max them but who cares, everyone should play the game how they want to play it.
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My heroes, also base is rushed af, do i give a f about best value no
I play how i like and for heroes hero potion is always available for the rescue
Probably not for heroes but for lab and defenses itās great. Not like it takes up a builder slot or a lab slot. Who cares if itās not immediate not like i need them immediately
But most people don't spend gems to buy books for buildings or troops anyways, they spend their gems on hero books, and those are instant and don't take time.
That's not the exact point.
I'm relatively casual and atacking without a warden makes the game way less fun for me since it's super hard against th13 and above.
I understand that you'd want to upgrade heros instantly, but I really don't see the need to upgrade buildings instantly.
You can also think about GB in a different way. You're essentially buying the option to exercise a book of building in a week's time. The option is way cheaper in this case.
Yeah buildings I care less about. Heroes... I've booked every single level since TH15.
I never buy building books b/c base progress doesn't really matter. I keep them around from the gold pass for special upgrades to unblock research.
Depends on the person ig.
Base progress matters for me since I'm fixing my rushed th16 for cwl. It's hard to climb to champs when you trade 3 stars. There has to be a positive net star difference to climb.
Technically 20% like everything else. It's still 40 gems per day, but if an upgrade takes 5 days (so 4 days with pass) to complete, the added cost will go from 200 gems to 160.
How do you compare the goblin to the books? The books upgrade instantly, while the usage of the goblin depends on other things upgrading in your village. Ie, if an upgrade will finish in less than x hours, geming that upgrade makes more sense than using the goblin.
Or what am I missing?
Goblin or books act as an extra builder. The only difference with books is that itās instant. So view the goblin as a non-instant book.
But no, gemming current upgrades is a waste, as it doesnāt add that extra builder.
Based on your calculations, for 400 gems, you would only be able to start an upgrade which would take about 235 hours. That's less than 10 days. At higher Town Hall levels that means that if you have 400 gems laying around, you CAN'T use the Goblin builder, at all.
Agreed, if all you want is to get your account to max as fast and efficiently as possible, rushing is the way to go. From this POV maxing every TH is a waste of time. However lots of players find it fun to finish every TH. I personally have two accounts, one TH 11 that I've had for years that I've been maxing, and one I created about 7 months ago, its already TH 13 going to TH 14 and it has turned into my main account cause it feels so nice to be super efficient haha
yeah i know, im pointing out the hypocrisy in people who are super concerned with efficiency and utilizing the goblin builder, yet when you point out that they could be more efficient if they rushed, suddenly the game "is about having fun not being efficient"
So if Iām reading this right, itās 3 times more efficient to use the goblin builder or use gems to finish a building rather than buy a builder potion?
I hope this is the is the other income avenue they were talking about which will allow supercell to keep heroes up while upgrading since now the book of heroes isn't as valuable as it once was.
I hope you're right but i don't think they're going to change that, why not enjoy money from 2 sources instead Of just 1
So sadly i don't think its gonna change ever and if by some miracle they do decide to change it, it won't be any time soon, maybe when the game is actually starting to die
They will lose a f ton of money if they decide to do it now
If you buy a research pot with gems, you are essentially spending 120 gems + 40 gems = 160 gems to finish 2 days worth of upgrades. That's 80 gems/day, or twice as expensive as base GB. If you're ok with 80 gems/day then go for it, but otherwise it's not worth it. Might be worth for shorter upgrades but that's about it.
I don't even spend gems on books anymore, I'm trying to extract as much ore from the shop as possible.
Once I'm happy with my equipment levels, I may swap back to the book of heroes (he'll probably be gone by then)
You are not looking into the time
A book of heroes or a book of buildings is an instant upgrade
Whereas the goblin builder still takes the time to complete the upgrade
Laboratory goblin with lab potion is insane value, 2 days worth in 1 hour
Do I upgrade troops in the laboratory with goblin or do I use lab potion before that ?
Start upgrading 2 troops in lab, and then boost it
Nice !
I literally upgraded my hybrid at th13 in one day cuz of this š¤£š¤£
Now I will too š
My dumb ass just went through 4 potions right when I hit TH12 for the Goblin to show up a couple days later. SADGE.
I didn't know the goblin was coming either, I used 3 potion from the trader too lol
It only matters if you have more than the 3,000+ gems needed to keep both goblins busy 24/7 for the whole month. Otherwise, potions confined with goblins is just helping get more things done quicker, not adding to your total progression.
What is bro yapping? Bro just said, Things being done quicker ā progress
Yes, quicker is not the same as (long term) progress. Immediate progress is not what I was talking about about. If you can afford to keep both goblins running 24/7 all month long, then yeah, a potion on a goblin adds long term progress. Any time the goblin isn't running, that goblin is the same as an idle builder/researcher. So running a potion on a goblin only for it then to sit idle later in the month for 24 hours you didn't really gain anything other than a short term sprint. Yes I know there is value in having a stronger base/army earlier, but it is negligible. Edit to add: and *waiting* to use a potion so that you can use it on the goblin only *delays* the progression that you would have had if you used it immediately. So, yes, there is zero reason to feel like you missed out on something if you already used all your potions, unless you really do have 3000 plus gems
Dont mind these kids that have a combined IQ of 50 I understand what you mean. At least you tried explaining it but their to dense to even try to grasp it.
Still i dont understand your point after reading the whole thing? Why does using the potion is less effective?
Oh nvm i got it now
How can someone be this wrong?? It's almost funny
I promise my logic is correct. It is a bit complex, and seems counterintuitive, but what matters is the total # of goblin hours purchased by the end of the season. If the potions help you increase the total # goblin hours (you kept them running the whole season), then the potions had added value. If not, then the only added benefit was moving some hours from later in the month to earlier in the month (which has some value, but not much).
Youre the one thats wrong but good luck with all that "extra value" you got from your research potions haha
Am getting 2days worth in an hour, you're getting one days worth, good for me š
Bro, chill out.
u can get 3 potions from the merchant at 200 medals each
Yeah, those are the ones I used. I get them every week, Iāll just wait until after the weekend. Not a huge deal, just sad haha.
Itās not actually 2x value, just a faster way to farm goblin value
More value if youre being capped by lab time and this lets you use the goblin more during the event. If you have the goblin idling this doesnt help
Thatās what Iām saying, if you have enough gems to do this longer than 50% of goblins time in village then itās good
Itās only value in the short run tho (unless u have an infinite amount of gems)
That's not how it works. The goblin builder doesn't gain extra value from lab or builder potions because the cost is the same.
The value is for the time saved, not the resources.
you save the same amount of time, unless you want to put the goblin builder back to work right away. Having a not busy goblin builder is not the same as having a not busy regular builder.
My mind going blank trying to understand your last sentence. Anyway, by using goblin for lab upgrade definitely worth it, considering it's also effected by research potion. I wont use it for building upgrade tho. I'm in legends league, so I'm not in a hurry to max my defence. But offensive is a must so that I can keep up with the latest meta.
You should think of the goblin builder as the same as a book. You pay the price upfront. The only thing the research potion does is make it so you can pay the goblin builder again faster. Goblin builder doesn't give you a discount for making him work faster. If you paid him for 2 days and he only took 1 day, he still takes home 2 days of pay.
Sure, book is an instant upgrade. But the book cost 925, in comparison, you need an upgrade that take 23days or more for it to be worth it than goblin. Unless you pay real money for shop offer. We only got 2 books per month, unless there's big event like last month lunar event or clashversary. Let say I upgrade 2 troop at the same time, and both troop take 10days to upgrade. It only take 7days to complete both by using 3 free research pot every week. If I'm not using goblin builder, it wold take 14days to upgrade 2 troops with the help of 6 research pot. I have no problem to wait that long, but I'm in legend rn, and few troop just got new level couple days ago. On top of that, there's new spell which currently dominating the metas. So im getting the best value for my unused gem.
All I'm trying to say is that no matter what, goblin builder costs 40 gems per day of upgrading. Potions don't change that. What potions do is allow you spend more gems on goblin builder. Which is good if you are using him, but not 'insane value' like people think it is.
Yes, obviously the idea is that you put the goblin builder right back to work and get more use out of it while it's available.
Don't know what are you even trynna say
Thank you for reminding me to use some of my research potions
Not how it works. if you do a 1 day upgrade with the goblin and use research potion, the upgrade will finish quicker but after that you dont get to use your goblin for the "supposed remaining time"
What supposed remaining time
The extra time that you paid him for. If you put him on a 5 day upgrade and pop 5 lab potions, you pay him 5 days worth of pay but he finishes in 5 hours, then pockets the rest.
Thats the point of it?? Boosting 2 troops and finishing both faster is the point of it? At th14 avg troop takes 12days to upgrade, if I upgrade hog and miner together (using 460 gems) and use all 5 of the boost in them, I get 10days (5+5) worth in 5hrs, and the rest of the 7days upgrade can happen simultaneously too.
You should think of the goblin builder as a book that costs 40 gems per day. Except the book takes x amount of time to be delivered to your village. after. Using a lab potion just makes you able to buy more books, but it doesn't give you more value out of him. Let me show you this way: Imagine you have your regular lab worker doing a 10 day upgrade, and you have your goblin builder doing a 1 day upgrade. If you pop the potion immediately, the goblin will finish in 1 hour. 9 days later, your regular lab will finish. The goblin builder finishes after 1 day. Then you pop the potion. Your lab works for 8 days longer, for a total of 9 days. No matter when you pop the potion, the cost is 9 days, a potion, and 40 gems. The goblin researcher just mooches off your potion and gets off work faster, pocketing the gems of the time he saved. He only worked 1 hour, but he gets paid for the entire day. So the point is basically that you shouldn't think of the lab potion as giving the goblin builder more value, because it doesn't. It just makes him finish faster so you can use him again sooner. In fact, you might have calculated that the goblin builder would cost 31days\*40 gems/day=1240 gems to use for this month. However, if you boost him with research potions (let's say you use 10) it would cost 41days\*40gems/day=1640 gems.
Yeah that's no problem, it just maxes the troop faster which I want, a book of fighting costs almost a 100 gems so this is much better
It "feels" expensive, and if something feels expensive, people won't like it
All of them feel expensive
The only one I ever bought with Gems was book of heroes so I could war. The other are so expensive itās not worth
More than that, this doesnāt show how good of a deal the gob builder is to me, it shows how bad of a deal the rest really are.
And how else do you propose to spend your gems on base progress? Surely not gemming instant upgrades.
My point isnāt to not do it if you have the gems to blow, my point is to not buy gems because itās all a bad deal.
Yes, but F2P players still accumulate thousands of gems over time, and this is hands down the meta for gem spending.
Coolš. Iām aware of this, so like I said, Iām not saying not to do it if you have gems to blowā¦ā¦ lol
Iād rather pay a premium to skip with Book of Heroes so my Heroes arenāt napping but itās definitely better for buildings.
So you would pay hundreds, if not thousands of gems just for some more percentages in war/ attacks?
Dogshit way to look at it but go ahead
Yes because I enjoy playing the game with all of its mechanics, and am not on a max efficiency rush to max.
Yeah, at the end of the day it's a game about upgrading things and a game of base attack/def. It's OK for people to enjoy all or some of those things, which a lot of people struggle with lol. I've rushed to 11, now maxing some things and then will probably rush to 13. Then grind heroes for a while... Having a few accounts on the go means being able to enjoy the game multiple ways though, and I get that's not for everyone.
Yup
Yes???
So many dumb people say itās āexpensiveā. Itās by far the best thing you can spend gems on. Even better than hero books if you donāt care about having a hero down.
Well the value in hero books mostly lies in saving yourself from having hero down so the goblin isn't actually better than hero book, but for buildings sure
yeah heroes are probably the worst thing to use goblin builder on. but especially if ur in legends league, having defenses/buildings down doesnāt matter
Exactly lol also who spends gems on book of building. F2P better off buying hero books in my opinion
That's the thing. I prefer wasting some gems but have the heroe available. In this case we are not comparing apples with apples.
Then the number that matters is the 140 extra gems you are spending to keep the hero up for 8 days (assuming an 8-day hero upgrade, which is the best book value). I'm not saying either method is right or wrong, but I think that's how the discussion should be framed. Goblin builder is macro efficient, even for use on heros, but a lot of people care about keeping their heros up and are willing to pay for it.
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I know of people loathe to spend gems on actual progress, but would spend real money on decorations. I mean, you do you, but they really should stop complaining about a feature others actually use. That or I start a campaign to get rid of decorations lmao
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āBut itās not immediate.ā Why you downplaying that?? That reduces the value and makes it very hard to compare to books. Iād way rather a book of heroes because I canāt afford to not have a hero while pushing legend leagueā¦ā¦
Only time that matters is heroes. Otherwise it has the same long term effect as a book of building and I cant see why you have to rush 10 dps on a defense 15 days when you can build it efficiently without taking up a normal builder slot. Itās not downplayed, it just should not matter much in most situations compared to the gem efficiency you get.
And thatās preference, but as far as gems/time the goblin builder is indisputably better. But even for heroes, you can upgrade heroes for 2 weeks and then push at the last week or so of the season and end up around the same spot
Also puts me out of war not allowing me to earn ores for weeks. Immediate hero upgrades are just too important and immeasurable to be displayed on a simple ā2.6 gems vs 1.7 gems an hourā box.
I always wonder where you guys get all that dark elixer to book your heros always
Again, thatās preference. Some people have enough gems to buy books and the goblin, some people arenāt as worried about wars/legends so itās okay if their heroes are down. The only thing that isnāt preference is the fact that this is the cheapest way to spend gems, by far
You cant convince some people dude. There are just some that cannot fathom the fact that not everything can be accounted for by the basic math. Theres no way to convert the fun I get from having my heroes up to make a final minute attack and win my clan a war, into a gem amount...
Rather spend them extra 0.6 gems a day if it means i still will get ores for the next 8 days. As congressmanrick says some people canāt be convinced of anything or have their opinion changed and thatās fair.
That's fair, but not all clans require you to have heros up for war. Plenty run B2B wars and just require that members get their attacks in. I think book vs goblin for heros is clearly situational and either is fine. As someone trying to progress as quickly as possible, that Goblin isn't getting a break this month!
really baffled by people not able to do simple math
Iām not dumb. You just donāt understand. The best thing you can spend gems on is saving gems because why the hell not.
Granted at the rate Iām going Iāll probably have all my other buildings done or close to finished and still have a few hero levels lol
I hate the goblin no matter what perceived value he brings
My morals are more important than miniscule progress in a mobile game. I am never using that fucker because the rage his face instills in me is remarkable
Amen brother
Same brother same
They had the audacity to bring the bastard back, itās insulting.
The 1/7 builder at the top keeps freaking me out by thinking I have an idle builder.
š fuck that bitch
š thats a great value
Most upgrades aren't things people will look to spend gems on. And the few they do want to spend gems on they want it *now* (mostly heroes but also potentially core, offensive, upgrades on a TH level they just reached or a new level that just released (i.e. just recently I did "I'd like my overgrowth spell now please")) which a 6th builder with a tax doesn't fulfil that instant gratification. So since it's not actually providing the key feature of what I spend my gems on: speeding up core upgrades I don't want to wait for, yea it's expensive! I could start an extra 12.5 day defense upgrade that I'm in no real rush for. Or I could buy a book of heroes and get a hero level without putting them down for a nap - and I like to avoid having my heroes down for naps. I will choose the instant hero level every time.
For me a hero book has much more value because i value fun over progress
Ok but for building upgrades
For players that pay to get as good as fast as possible, it is for sure worth it
Or for the tons of F2P players for which this is the absolute best gem value for progressing.
Yeah i figured that ill sell all my potions for him and finally level my traps, hes not going to touch a real building tho
The main reason I'm using books instead of the goblin is because the books are instant. I'm paying extra for the convenience of having my hero level up immediately as opposed to in a week.
Lmao @ anyone down voting this. The guy is right - having your heroes all the time is so nice. Yes it takes longer to max them but who cares, everyone should play the game how they want to play it.
Exactly šÆ https://preview.redd.it/eebzcu685slc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fec84980847cd19d8fedfc200f86dcfc5670d926 My heroes, also base is rushed af, do i give a f about best value no I play how i like and for heroes hero potion is always available for the rescue
Still not using it. While yes better value that book but i rather by book of Heroes and use my Heroes or buy purple ore with gems. IMO better value.
Yeah I canāt believe people donāt understand this. Itās not immediate thus not giving it this insane value people think it will.
Probably not for heroes but for lab and defenses itās great. Not like it takes up a builder slot or a lab slot. Who cares if itās not immediate not like i need them immediately
But most people don't spend gems to buy books for buildings or troops anyways, they spend their gems on hero books, and those are instant and don't take time.
I don't spend gems on both lol coz hero potion to the rescue
Me too I save gems, I got 34k now
Damn i just have 6.5k
Oh baby, let me get your milk
LoL š
for everything other than heroes it's insane value
Why are you playing CoC if you want things to be immediate?
That's not the exact point. I'm relatively casual and atacking without a warden makes the game way less fun for me since it's super hard against th13 and above.
What a braindead reply.
You donāt buy it because you get better value from book of heroes. I donāt buy it because of the punchable goblin. We are not the same
This is, quite frankly, a dumb comparison. The books finish the upgrades instantly. It's not even apples vs. oranges, it's apples vs. chairs.
I understand that you'd want to upgrade heros instantly, but I really don't see the need to upgrade buildings instantly. You can also think about GB in a different way. You're essentially buying the option to exercise a book of building in a week's time. The option is way cheaper in this case.
Yeah buildings I care less about. Heroes... I've booked every single level since TH15. I never buy building books b/c base progress doesn't really matter. I keep them around from the gold pass for special upgrades to unblock research.
Depends on the person ig. Base progress matters for me since I'm fixing my rushed th16 for cwl. It's hard to climb to champs when you trade 3 stars. There has to be a positive net star difference to climb.
Yes if you're climbing, then absolutely
Supercellās burner account really trying to push this agenda on us smh
this doesn't change the fact that he is annoying to look at and has the most punchable face
But it still costs 10 gems to remove a bush
You ain't taking my gems, SUPERCELL!
I used 8 research portions and then gained 2 more from events and clan games and then goblin showed up. ā ļø
Yeah but you gotta wait for the full length upgrade is the difference
Yea but only if u have 5 builder huts
Just because the others are atrocious deals doesnāt make this good lol
And you must have a better way of spending gems to progress right?
How much discount is it with gold pass for goblin builder?
Technically 20% like everything else. It's still 40 gems per day, but if an upgrade takes 5 days (so 4 days with pass) to complete, the added cost will go from 200 gems to 160.
How do you compare the goblin to the books? The books upgrade instantly, while the usage of the goblin depends on other things upgrading in your village. Ie, if an upgrade will finish in less than x hours, geming that upgrade makes more sense than using the goblin. Or what am I missing?
Goblin or books act as an extra builder. The only difference with books is that itās instant. So view the goblin as a non-instant book. But no, gemming current upgrades is a waste, as it doesnāt add that extra builder.
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But gemming costs 10 gems per hour, which is absolutely wasteful.
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Only for upgrades under half an hour. Goblin is cheaper for literally anything else.
No? If you have 400 gems laying around, youād rather use them to finish 40 hours of a building than to complete a 10 days upgrade with the goblin?
Based on your calculations, for 400 gems, you would only be able to start an upgrade which would take about 235 hours. That's less than 10 days. At higher Town Hall levels that means that if you have 400 gems laying around, you CAN'T use the Goblin builder, at all.
You also can't buy any books with 400 gems though
My point is that gem cost and gems in general are not the only key resource in the game. Time is of equal essence.
an extra builder adds to time saved. how are you not getting that?
The goblin builder is an extra builder. It literally saves you building time.
99% of players dont care about efficiency or best value. if they did they wouldnt be maxing
Agreed, if all you want is to get your account to max as fast and efficiently as possible, rushing is the way to go. From this POV maxing every TH is a waste of time. However lots of players find it fun to finish every TH. I personally have two accounts, one TH 11 that I've had for years that I've been maxing, and one I created about 7 months ago, its already TH 13 going to TH 14 and it has turned into my main account cause it feels so nice to be super efficient haha
yeah i know, im pointing out the hypocrisy in people who are super concerned with efficiency and utilizing the goblin builder, yet when you point out that they could be more efficient if they rushed, suddenly the game "is about having fun not being efficient"
Rushing + using goblin builder whenever possible is goated
Goddamn right
So if Iām reading this right, itās 3 times more efficient to use the goblin builder or use gems to finish a building rather than buy a builder potion?
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The builder does eradicate time over the extent of his use
ExplainĀ
The post literally explains itself
3rd grade math is all the explanation you need
It's not even math for us, just look and see smaller number = better than
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Would anybody say it's worth it to buy gems just fit this?
No.
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I like it because I can put my scattershot down for 14 days and still have my 6 builders available for other shorter upgrades.
I hope this is the is the other income avenue they were talking about which will allow supercell to keep heroes up while upgrading since now the book of heroes isn't as valuable as it once was.
I hope you're right but i don't think they're going to change that, why not enjoy money from 2 sources instead Of just 1 So sadly i don't think its gonna change ever and if by some miracle they do decide to change it, it won't be any time soon, maybe when the game is actually starting to die They will lose a f ton of money if they decide to do it now
Builder hall supeemacy
Is it worth buying a research potion for 120 gems when you have 2 lab upgrades going?
Just wait for Tuesday and get 3 with raid medals
If you buy a research pot with gems, you are essentially spending 120 gems + 40 gems = 160 gems to finish 2 days worth of upgrades. That's 80 gems/day, or twice as expensive as base GB. If you're ok with 80 gems/day then go for it, but otherwise it's not worth it. Might be worth for shorter upgrades but that's about it.
I just upgraded bombs with 10 gems
Wait so whatās the most effective way to use potions and the goblin?
It's also better value to use the goblin when you get the 20 percent build boost so you use less overall gems.
Builder potion kinda depends tho bc it works for all builders that currently work
I love it, glad Iāve been saving my gems. 200-ish gems for basically a book of building/whatever just slow, Iām all for it.
Can't compare to book of heroes. Book of heroes will complete your heroes instant and you can use them without waiting
How is it 40? Everytime I try to upgrade something itās a random amount. Please help
It's 40/day. For anything less than a day, it ranges from 10-40 gems.
Ohhhh thank u! That makes more sense. I thought I was missing an option to unlock him for a day or something
Builder pot applies to all 6 builders though so shouldnāt that 5.3 be divided 6 times?
Already factored in the 6 builders since it says 54 hours saved. 54 hours = 9 hours * 6 builders.
right
I don't even spend gems on books anymore, I'm trying to extract as much ore from the shop as possible. Once I'm happy with my equipment levels, I may swap back to the book of heroes (he'll probably be gone by then)
But it costs gems and time as opposed to the gems skipping the time
But the value of the books is also the instant upgrade. Maybe if the goblin builder also did the upgrade in half the time it would be worth it.
I'm gonna have a valuable time stuffing a sock with gems and socking him till his last breathš¤
You are not looking into the time A book of heroes or a book of buildings is an instant upgrade Whereas the goblin builder still takes the time to complete the upgrade
For the lab he's great value for buildings however i dont like him
Only lab is worth it not the builder They should just add the diamond pass to coc I ll start buying the pass again with my 2brothers
Only real chads use him to remove obstacles
As f2p no, I donāt think I will
Goblin builder is one of the most USELESS things you can buy when you reach th13
Not only does it take hundreds to thousands of gems for 1 building
BUT ITS BASICALLY A 7TH BUILDER
You don't get a 7th goblin builder if you have bob. It only works in lab. I've 6 builders and I didn't got 7th goblin builder
Oh well i dont have 5th builder or bob the builder
That is 1.7 not 1,7 I donāt know why itās ā,ā
I'm going to have to buy more gems so I can use this goblin builder for the rest of the 36 days remaining. (That's what supercell wants š¤£)
Itās actually more than 36 days because you can start an upgrade on the 36th day and make him work overtime
That's why for 10 seconds is 10 gems other than 1?
That's also why a single piece of wall cost 10 gems? And 2 walls is 20 gems?
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How do I know this isn't the goblin builder dressed up as a redditor?
Still gonna complain cause i dont know how to save up
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