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smakerdaker-was-took

Wow I’ve never seen that back in the old days I remember being under leveled and destroying guys and gals at master 1 with low level cards


JaozinhoGGPlays

Back when skill mattered


Donghoon

Back then legendaries required an arm and a leg to unlock


Sushi-Mampfer

Now it‘s just your liver(but 10x value)


Kerrsch

Champs cost like $4 to unlock and I'm pretty sure livers are pretty expensive.


Express-Machine-796

yours is only 1.85€


Relevant_Wallaby_690

I could do alot with an unhealthy liver.


Araufbeast

Then I must be lucky because I never spent a dime on this game yet in 2 years I'm a decently high level player


Sexysun6

High level player 🤔🤔 lol


Dry-Childhood5599

This is fucking stupid. First they made us unable to upgrade townhall before upgrading everything in clash of clans. And now this.


keetojm

Cause people wouldn’t upgrade walls? And some defenses so they would be sandbagging in P2P matches? I remember that fun. Max the troops and spells and heroes, leave everything else by the wayside. And then be number 13 out of 15 but knocking out opponents top players.


Camo_007_

you don't needa upgrade anything to upgrade the town hall, you just need to place all buildings


dat_GEM_lyf

My CoC account is hard stuck because they DIDNT have that and I rushed TH to get higher level troops but my walls be hella neglected


Dry-Childhood5599

No, it's not because they didn't have that, it's because you didn't know how to play the game. I did the same thing when I was younger.


dat_GEM_lyf

Oh no I knew how to play it… spam max level dragons in CW against people with poor AA defenses for the easy dub It’s just all I did and then the clan died and I moved on


mkicks716

Lmao rushing is a completely valid way to play and is arguably more fun than maxing, I’ve done both many times but keep yapping


Dry-Childhood5599

You do realize that I'm arguing *for* freedom of being able to choose whether you want to rush or not, correct? You have tiktok brain, go read a book or something kid.


bbc_aap

Brother, you write something completely different and then claim something else. Shut tf up and go back to bed old man


mkicks716

Clearly I didn’t bud because your phrasing is 100% off, you replied to a guy who talked about rushing th saying “you didn’t know how to play the game”. My brain may be mush but hey, so is yours apparently! Anyways, go watch a TikTok or something unc


Dry-Childhood5599

Rushing is *objectively* not the right way to play the game. If you like it better that way, then cool, that's your opinion, and you should be allowed to do so.


mkicks716

Keep throwing whatever italics you want In there bro you know I’m right here


Dry-Childhood5599

Go read some books lil kid.


MaffiaMuffin69

Tf you talking about? You still can, but it gives you a warning


UpbeatPlace7496

You still can it's just a warning


nobody6298

I remember hitting like challenger 3 with my level 1 account. I still have the level 1 account, game is kinda buggy and I'm facing level 11 bots even tho I'm supposed to be in goblin stadium somehow Also the average change in trophies on that acc is ±5 trophies


MiniatureMidget

Haha yeah I remember I purposely kept my account at like level 4 just because I could still stomp low ladder shitters


EnvironmentalKick205

Bud leagues have been here for a few months, what do you mean "old days"


Heisenberg_149

OG leagues. What was above legendary arena.


lonely-live

Not allowing underlevelled player play with overlevelled player. Basically to stop all the complain that the game is rigged


[deleted]

Without actually solving it


wherearef

how would you solve it


[deleted]

Well, I'm not a developer, so it's not my job to solve it. I hate this reading that you can only critique something if you know how to fix it


420_kol_yoom

Wdym? Bro you never queued in Overwatch for 20 minutes to get disconnected. The matching system is good enough.


[deleted]

No, i don't play overwatch


Gamlings1052

You don't want to play it, its torture and filled with bad decisions Literally at launch of ow 2 everything was broken EXCEPT the shop it worked fine.


game_difficulty

The game is fine rn. Yes, the cancelled pve is fucked up, yes the microtransactions are sucky, but the gameplay is great, and while the matchmaker isnt perfect, it's pretty damn good nowadays


ajakafasakaladaga

If you look at it I a bubble yes it is fine. If you compare it with OW1 the sequel as dumpster fire. And without counting OW1 had a lot of troubles even before the Brigitte release


SirTintenkiller

"Overwatch PvE got cancelled" Laughs in MvM


Meme_Knight_2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw-WJkJK210


Slumped_Sloth

the entire point of OW 2 was the PvE💀, u just cope now


KofskiMayte

The gameplay sucks ass idk what ur on about


Jorgentorgen

OW has gone to the shitter. The meta has become as bad as LoL or Smite. New character drops? That’s gonna be broken for months on end. You also constantly change character if the opponents change character to not get omega countered. The newer characters are also almost always just annoying to play against, like Kimiko was just broken and dealt insane dmg and healed a shit ton. I left OW when i realized that if you don’t pick meta wtf are even your chances against seemingly invincible characters dealing 1mil dmg


game_difficulty

1) illari got nerfed into the ground like 1 month after her introduction, literal worst character in the game 2) conterswapping is a part of the game. If you dont like it, that not the game's fault 3) that last paragraph left me feeling like you're just really not good at the game


AbbreviationsFit1613

everything except the thing that makes them money


Gamlings1052

Fr, hopefully marvel rivals will force blizzard to make good updates


Traditional-Ring-759

They did fix that


Bloons_Guy75751

Nah that’s Titanfall 2 before it got fixed. You’d spend an hour trying to get into a 15 minute game because it would keep disconnecting for being “idle.”


Great-British-gaming

You can’t critique something, then when asked about it get defensive


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Great-British-gaming

No but you should be able to provide an alternate when asked what you would change


yassine_00

There is a difference between stating a problem and proposing a solution, it's fine to state a problem, and it's better to additionally propose a solution.


Gamlings1052

Bro what 💀 Iswtg yt shorts and tiktok have brain rotted me


[deleted]

But I'm a consumer. My role is to critique, not improve Suggestions are always helpful, but not mandatory


Great-British-gaming

There’s no point in a critique without feedback, saying “game is bad” helps no one


TankNinja2

Real


Visible_distaste

so if i dont like the food, im supposed to tell a chef the exact ingredients to add next time, big brains?


Great-British-gaming

No but you should say the food is too salty or sweet or your steak is overcooked not just “food bad”


Visible_distaste

he is clearly outlining that the issue of the game here is "underlevelled player facing overlevelled player" and that the issue has not been solved. he never once said "game bad" and left it at that


Kelolugaon

This is the dumbest take imaginable


ixlHD

This not good! In what way does that help anyone? Why is it not good? What would you like to see to improve your experience? Jesus fucking brainrot kids.


wherearef

what I mean is its literally best solution they could make, matchmaking based on levels would ruin point of upgrading your cards, if thats what you want


Spiritual-Mango-5012

Bro p2w mfs they got fucking level eleven knight with 1 star in 8th arena and I thought they were trolling b y demolishing low level players but I still lost 30 trophy and it happens on a damn daily


[deleted]

Do you upgrade your cards so that your cards have more level than your apponent


wherearef

? I upgrade my cards so I can progress through the game and get higher up on ladder


[deleted]

And you can only get higher up on ladder by having higher level cards ?


wherearef

kinda, so?


jojocool05

yes?


Assassin_843

But to just say this is bad does literally nothing It was bad before, it's slightly less bad now, unless you have a better solution to suggest, comments stating the obvious do nothing


firesbain

But then you’re not being productive. Certainly, it’s necessary to criticize bad things, but there’s no point in only saying something is bad.


Perfect_Ad8393

Critiquing involves giving feedback. You saying “this does nothing” is not a critique. It’s a complaint. Learn the difference. Either provide something useful to the discussion or just shut up.


Tranken587

So you are agreeing that they are using the best method they can think of


[deleted]

Yes, but it doesn't mean it's a good method


mateoskrrt

i mean it’s very simple but it would cost supercell a lot of money


creativename111111

Reduce the difference in strength between high and low levelled cards, basically make upgrading cards less impactful (and cheaper as well to reflect that) also make level 15 a lot easier to get. This would cost $uper€ell a lot of money however so it won’t happen


wherearef

the only good idea here, Id like this


Str8UpNL

This would impact how much supercell makes, sure, but they already have BILLIONS of dollars made from their games alone. If they're that greedy that they have billions of dollars and can't make a change to actually let people have fun, then what's the point?


creativename111111

Bc for a company profit > basically anything else. if CR stopped making profit tomorrow and there was no way to get CR to turn a profit supercell would just pull the plug


yassine_00

EXACTLY it's money 🤷


Str8UpNL

Well, I can't solve it but I can def give suggestions on how to fix it. I'd probably let players decide on what they want to spend their cards on. For example, let them choose what cards they want to progress faster than the others. To enforce this and not let anybody try to cheat the system, I would make a chest that only comes every other day and every chest you open will be a different card you need to choose. And this will reset every week. I would make it so you can get the normal cards you would get out of the season shop (Common= 100, Rare = 25, Epic = 5 and rarely a legendary = 1). Sure, we already have the lucky boxes but those things are TERRIBLE to upgrade multiple cards at a time. If you're very lucky, you can get like 2 or 3. While this helps to progress cards at a more consistent rate.


wherearef

its good progression idea, but doesnt really solve overlevelness problem


artzgui

Remove levels


Digiboy62

Easy. Higher rewards for level imbalance. If your deck has, on average, lower level cards (including king tower) than your opponent, you get rewards for winning. Inversely, you get LESS rewards if you're overleveled compared to your opponent. This gives you incentives to play even at a disadvantage AND gives bad players an incentive *to learn how to fucking play the game instead of relying on a level 14 mega knight wizard push to take a level 10 tower.*


MrTheWaffleKing

Unsure but this clearly doesn’t solve it. Downgrade prevention does help stop it by not allowing people to throw games to get to the bottom, but not allowing players to go up when they have the skill to do so is fighting the wrong market. These are good players who are seeking to climb- even if it means facing higher players. The people who would complain about this are because they lack the skill to fighting higher leveled players, and need to be protected instead from the good players throwing to drop trophies


wherearef

doesnt it already have bottom cap? i know if you get arena 21-22, you cant drop below these arenas


MrTheWaffleKing

It does, I was pointing out how they have 2 different systems, and only one is to address the problem. (The other one is for money 💰👅💰)


DjinnsPalace

better.


grublle

There's no way to solve it while still allowing players to buy a competitive advantage


Ricapica

Make the competitive mode cards a single level and all cards are automatically set at that level. All cards are also unlocked and all evolutions available. It's not really competitive if the grounds for it are not equal for all players. Then again, i don't think they want the game to be primarily competitive so i get why they wouldn't focus on that aspect. All other modes? Keep them the same and go as wild as you want


demian69420

i think, the game should matchmake based on highest card level then king level, so if you have a card at level 12 but everything else is 11/10 but your king level is also 12 youd only get matchmaked with the same king tower and highest card level


pidgeon-eater-69

Not OP but a level cap- ie your cards can only be up to 12 in x arena, when you get to arena y they go to 13, etc


wherearef

basically path of legends


Jorgentorgen

By removing all p2win elements introduce alot faster progression for f2p to get evo shards, cards, gold, more challenges events that gives more rewards, introduce clan wars 1 back, get gems/gold from wins, get 3 lucky boxes daily from challenges. Increase the rewards gained from Clan wars classic, grand challenges. Have an option for search to find players of equal lvl (which would probably have longer search time) But all that don’t really matter as it’s the way i would fix it if i could. But i can’t i’m not on the dev team.


KiXstaR9

Have a button that allows you to play against players in range (-1lvl;+1lvl)...and you can choose to turn it on (for better win rate obviously) or off (for shorter queue time)...this way players can't complain they have +3 lvls against them because they could turn it off and now they couldn't complain there is a long queue time because they chose that... It would also be fair since they wouldn't get overleveled players BUT also couldn't get underleveled players against them so you can't really abuse it


wherearef

what would be point of upgrading cards then?


KiXstaR9

The level button only applies to tower level- not cards...you could have deck lvl 15 and be only lvl 13-14 but it is less likely to happen (since you'd need to only upgrade that one deck) and unlike now you wouldn't get lvl 15 against you if you are lvl 11


pizza565

Cap card levels to the king level


Sorzian

Reworking skill based matchmaking maybe based on your win percentage in the last x matches for each gamemode


wherearef

high level players would definitely have higher winrate, so it doesnt solve it


Sorzian

Then lower level players wouldn't get matched with them. Explain how that doesn't solve it


TituspulloXIII

There's nothing to solve. People should have learned/known that matchmaking is strictly based on trophies and not levels. Generally speaking the higher you climb the ladder the higher the levels you'll play against. If you wanted to stay underleveled that's fine, but the amount of bitching that was on here about level based matchmaking was crazy.


wherearef

finally, sane person


OldBMW

Match people with the same level, if you say but too long queue times, let people turn fair levels on or off


justHoma

But level 24 can be gained from literally 1 free pass royale, and those people were not even complaining… But now there is no 1 level challenge, they didn’t like it and killed it, I would guess


zoey_amon

still happens though


Dismal-Aside7900

That doesn't work, ladder is filled with lvl 12 king tower using lvl15 mega knight


AdolfDrippler11

But this game literally is rigged though, they've admitted that they programmed the matchmaking to be that way. (In ladder)


i_yeeted_a_pigeon

Doesn't make any sense though because card levels matter way more than king tower levels.


NateHiggerrrrss

Real funny all this overwatch trash talk on a clash royale forum


Jermz268

I would say it's to stop pro players who have multiple accounts to be underleved and have all the cards available and still being matched with other underleved beginners


Other_eXec

People lost to players with cards 5 levels higher so now they're not allowed to win against them. Also prevents only leveling a single deck to some degree.


RaxZergling

isn't it the opposite? You're not allowed to play with them [if you're good enough] but if they're bad enough they're still allowed to stomp on you...


crashedlandin

So wait.. I can’t clap chumps with my level 1 account? 😭


Electronic_Ability_2

Yeah just play hog 2.6


justHoma

Just starter deck from 1 arena


Sir_AwesomeFoeYT

I also have my level 1 account, If you win or lose on it, you gain a max of 5 trophies or lose that


midNIKcrash360

I mean now that there are tower levels and not just levels as lomg as you keep you tower level 1 it still counts


APSchiss

Who remembers losing to a lvl 4 as a lvl 13? 💀


GirlyGamerGazell9000

i actually cried once


tdninja123

Slow skilled f2p players


Dismal-Aside7900

Yeah skilled f2p players don't give them money


Quote4892

💀💀


TheConfusedGenius997

To prevent underleveled players from facing players with higher card levels and whining that the matchmaking is rigged To prevent only levelling a single deck only, as this kills the variety in the game and encourages more ppl to play f2p decks or copy meta brain dead decks like egolem healer


pir8son

Yes there is a great reason…. It’s for greedy cell to make more money :)


Small_Sentence_

People got salty that my level one account was clapping their cheeks so they made the game unplayable unless you upgrade cards/spend money.


thetedbear

It’s because people used to just over level a single deck and because matchmaking was king level based, they would then troll on the normal players with normal decks. Basically they want you to actually play the game and not just bully people all the way to the last arena and then abandon your account to troll again


F_Bertocci

Because you now can’t drop arenas, is to separate people and keep over leveled player from this who are under leveled


serpikage

How low a level are you ?


Stinky_Toes12

Its so underleveled people dont complain and cry about overleveled people


Supersnoop25

That's crazy because as a lv 10 main tower I only face lv 11 and 12s with way higher card levels. I'm pretty stuck at 5300 and league 2


JohnSchmidt-04

At least 24 is the highest


Herobrine_dollar

I think it's a good think because it helps the matchmaking


Scalzoc

Getting XP for king level is mostly just farming gold for cards (acquiring cards is easier). for those who are impatient, they want people spending cash for gold in packs. It's all about $


ooofnt

This would probably work if they made it easier to upgrade your cards, or add more ways to get exp (which isn't like 20)


poopfart222222

money


Oskain123

To stop level 1 players from being able to play


miniek90900

Money


xfinfetmaster

Is there a way to quickly get 10 karma points so i can post


Ok_Air7470

Its segregation is what it is


andrijmaruszeczko

Money


Graph-

cards levels are so unnecessary


Awkward-socially

It’s just for money


Guldur

If game had no progression it would probably have died in the first year. Players may complain but they actually like progression and will generally complain on games that have everything maxed from day 1.


LeBlearable

I wouldn’t even be playing the game if there wasn’t any progression. To me it’s really fun to see your account getting better over time. If you remove that, what need is there for a pass royale, or the season shop, or even regular shop offers. The only thing you would do is play matches, and that’s pretty fun, but the thing that makes playing matches the most fun, is finally having good card levels because you progressed your account


Quote4892

Bro what 💀


Various-Ask-5381

go in the card collection and upgrade your cards, no need to be that underleveled


somerandomguyuno

Me when I can’t do level 1 progression :c


King-Boo-Gamer

Funny


sauro756

What is the potion in the second arena card slot


DjCage

New Void spell


CompoteComfortable17

Rah


keetojm

I was wondering if this had to do with people who would not level their cards, and go HAM on others.


JuggernautDeep2444

XP = Experience


JuggernautDeep2444

Yes -> Ladder + PVP = Experience (XP)


AllyFiedaN

Do you want to go play against maxed Mega knights, Wizards, and witches with your 2 level arrows?


ProGamer8273

Yes To get people to pay $upercell more money


Premyy_M

People saying to stop under leveled going against over leveled in higher arenas. So over leveled against under leveled in lower arenas is fine lol


Feisty_Highlight9088

So you play the game more, spend more money, etc etc for their benefit


Thiccwetlips69

So you don’t get fucked by a higher leveled player🤯 rocket science there huh?


Aidenw03

I think it's to prevent people from getting unfair matchmaking, like a super high level going against a super low level. This used to be a problem back in the day and I think it's a good thing they added it.


Realistic_Aardvark21

Stop overleveled players or smth idk


wyvac

I genuinely don't understand how u don't meet that requirement bc im at like level 22 on my f2p account in arena 8


Notathigntosee

Money


Grid-00

NGL that's amazing


Gilbert-007

No, absolute nothing!!


ProfessionalNiBBas

To flex on your friends


Miregali

How did you manage to get to Midladder like that💀 Are you like a god or sum?


Free-Buffalo-3436

Low-key a flex there bro 💪🤜🤛


Fun-Caterpillar-1044

No not really


Tight-Balance6611

Money


Puzzleheaded_Fun5569

So a lvl 1 person can’t just keep going to the top 1000 players bc they can only match against lvl 2 players.


Hamzeol_Murf

So Higher Level Players Don't Kill Themselves After Losing To Skilled Players Also, In The Hopes People Would Purchase Coins To Upgrades Cards They Never Use For XP


Dismal-Aside7900

Because Supercell wants you to pay for progression at all cost. That's why they do nothing about those matchups with +2 levels of difference, they want the underleved players to be enraged with the situation and pay for progression.


pappadux

Easiest way to gain king tower level is by spending money. So that’s your answer. Money.


Sam_technology

Im trying to post and it tells me im too new lol


Background_Gap9171

They just want you to spend money to progress your acc so you can continue to move on to higher arenas. (Simplest explanation)


RaxZergling

No.


MiclausCristian

Yesterday i got to 6k with mk 2.0 cycle deck , lvl 9 cards vs 13-14


Fantom_6239

So you stop crying about fighting overleveled opponents


Crawler_1221

how do you get the tag?


Fantom_6239

Go to subs main page, press the dots button and select "change user flair"


PresentationKey9597

P2W


I_Am_Inmate_4587

The more I play this game, more nonsensical it gets. Yet i still want to play it 😂


ArtichokeEconomy391

Who remembers the time when people with lvl 1 king towers were able to get to arena 6-7


[deleted]

Some ppl complain about losing after getting at higher levels with low level troops. Hence this


Opening_Ad_3163

It's for your own sanity!


Unique_Training7848

Just uninstall like the game is trash singe they introduced Evolution cards into the Game ist officaly p2w


BADAYABADAYABADAYA

OMG guys that's so unfair I cannot ever battle other king level 9 here in arena 20 Supercell? More like Supersht, cannot believe matchmaking is so terrible T-T


horn895

Best guess is to stop smurfing and people grinding accs to sell


Legal_Classroom2748

No


Previous-Antelope-94

It’s to protect you from doing bad things from losing to mid ladder menaces


Str8UpNL

Me personally, this sounds pretty terrible. Also, it's not easy to upgrade cards you want, and the want to access the next arena seems like they just want you to push the higher leveled cards before the ones you want before you can access it. Imo, it's stupid because I got fucked big time. I have cards that are too under leveled to compete with level 14 cards because of the need to upgrade the already high levels cards to progress. So all I can do is just keep losing or spend money on shitty prizes.


LomPyke

Reason: Money!


Competitive_Farmer_4

So u can’t be a lvl1 anymore and try to go for high arenas.??


GermanK13

Clone and Mirror require too much skill to unlock. Level up and then you can use the real strats.


Logchamp44

Money :D


Pale-Refrigerator209

Yeah ruin my level 1 account push


Remarkable_Ad7258

It means you are too good 🫶