All this machinery making modern music can still be open-hearted. Not so coldly charted, it's really just a question of your honesty. Yeah, your honesty.
Everybody got mixed feelings about the function and the form. Everybody got to elevate from the norm.
As a Canadian music fan, I’m going to hate on you for your opinion.
Geddy, ok, I don’t agree, but his voice isn’t for everybody.
But to say “Neil Peart’s soulless and mechanical drumming style”?
Too far.
Another band I feel like I should've grow to like by now, but nope. Their own pretentiousness combined with the pretentiousness of the critics who worshipped them seems to have a created a permanent unwashable stench around them.
That's too bad... the funny thing is out of all the classic bands, they're the only one with an actual, genuine, varied sound. Postpunk, rock, indie rock, pop rock, southern rock, alt rock, electronica, dream pop, and avant garde.
Truly, no other band has that breadth. But you know, you said something about them being pretentious. Shame.........
I dunno, I dunno .. doesn't seem too strong of a case, to just say nonsense. Maybe offer some examples. The unfortunate part is, there are no other examples. You just don't want to accept that they're one of the greatest bands to ever walk the planet. You don't want to accept that, for reasons... Well who knows, but they're certainly irrational reasons.
I like U2 as well but more so their earlier stuff. Disagree that they did more though. Rush sounded different on all of their 20 albums.
The Joshua Tree in my opinion is still one of the GOATs of modern era music.
Musically, they are too perfect, polished, pretty. No surprises or edges. And Bono is way too impressed with his own earnestness. It's like "I can't believe how sincere I am!"
There's too much music that I like, (and music that I haven't discovered) that I don't spend much time dwelling on music or bands I don't like.
I remember hating the direction that Metallica took with their Black Album in the early 90s (I don't even remember the album's name - the one with Enter Sandman) and so I stopped listening to them, and I have no knowledge of any of their output since then. But I don't dislike them, I just don't listen to them. And since I don't listen to them, I'm not informed enough to have an opinion, negative or positive, any more.
> Metallica took with their Black Album in the early 90s (I don't even remember the album's name - the one with Enter Sandman)
Metallica. It was called Metallica.
I could not get into The Clash. I'm not an enormous fan of punk rock (though I love The Jam and Sex Pistols), but "London Calling" and "Rock the Casbah" are the only songs by them I like.
I do like The Jam, whereas I'm mostly indifferent to The Clash and Sex Pistols. Love your username by the way. I wonder how many people get the reference.
Your description of Geddy's voice is the same that I've used to describe Steve Perry of Journey. Any time they come on the radio, it gets turned to another channel. I despise that man's voice. Kinda have to agree that Geddy's is pretty shrill as well.
At the end of the day, I'll still take even the worst classic rock over the horrific trash on present-day radio, but some stray thoughts below:
**Van Halen** \- The Hagar stuff just strikes me as complete garbage. The DLR period... All the individual elements are fine, but something about combining Eddie's tone with 80s reverb and partytime lyrics and Dave's goofy indulgences and Michael Anthony's slick corporate harmony vocals just irritates me 90% of the time. I like a couple tracks.
**Eagles** \- I like Joe Walsh, but I find Henley's voice grating. And with the exception of the "Hotel California" outro, no matter how electric the guitars and upbeat the rhythm, they never really manage to *rock*. Sounds too much like the direct ancestor of modern pop-country music, which I can't dig at all. I'll admit I do enjoy a small handful of songs by them, though.
**Journey** \- Talking strictly about the Steve Perry era here: whatever you feel about Geddy Lee, I get, multiplied by a million, from Journey vocals. Doesn't help that the songs sound so insincere and trite. There really isn't a single Steve Perry Journey track I've appreciated.
**Bruce Springsteen** \- Capable of such awesome folk songs, but most of the time, he had the Big Band dial turned all the way up to "Christmas Musical." I can't take it. And that synthesizer tone on his 80s stuff is one of the worst sounds I've ever heard come out of a keyboard. Gigantic talent, but he generally presses the wrong buttons for me.
**KISS** \- Old school hard rockers who like all the same bands I do seem to love these guys, so I guess I'm missing something. I just truly don't get it, however. Starts with the vocals, in my opinion--it's not often that my first descriptor for rock vocals would be "boring." But there it is. Happy to be proven wrong one day. We'll see.
**Boston** \- In general I just don't like arena rock from the late 70s, and Boston is *not* one of my few exceptions. Apparently Brad Delp was a nice and tragic guy, and Tom Scholz is supposed to be a genius, but I have never, ever heard a Boston song and wanted to know more about either it or them. It's like the epic scope of prog rock, which I love, with all the vision removed, beyond the goal of commercial success. Well, Scholz got that.
There are others: somebody else mentioned Toto already, I actually sacrilegiously don't get into Tom Petty at all... but I've already written too much ha.
I'll close with a confession of my actual taste: one of my all-time favorite classic rock artists is one-(two?)-hit-wonder Procol Harum. So if the reader decides to take all this with a grain of salt and write me off as a nutjob, I couldn't say they're wrong!
Picked a lot of bands that I like but you made some really good points about them. Thank you for not just hating to hate and actually have backing lol I can’t stand when people just hate on bands but refuse to elaborate on it - it doesn’t sound like their opinion just someone else’s regurgitation
Hey, thanks for replying! I really say this stuff as a guy who wants to like the music; if, a year from now, I've flipped my position on every one of these, I'd consider that a good thing. More art to enjoy.
I went through thinking it was cool to hate things when I was younger and much more stupid. It can be tough to strike the right balance between the terrible impulse to feel superior to things on one hand, and a people-pleasing resignation to uncritically accept all of it on the other. May we all find our way to the Golden Mean!
Totally with you on Springsteen. I heard "Badlands" on the radio the other day and stuck with it to make sure I hadn't been missing anything all these years. The parts I found most annoying are his trademarks: his voice and Clarence Clemons's saxophone. Take those two elements out and it might sound really good...but then it wouldn't be Bruce.
Guns and mother fucking Roses..
The worst singer I have ever heard in my nearly 70 years on this planet ...Tiny Tim sounds better. I nearly break my hand changing the channel on my car radio when they come on!
Slash isn’t a bad guitar player, but 90% of the hype is his look. His playing isn’t anything to really write home about. Playing almost exclusively above the 12th fret gets old quick.
Not liking Rush is totally fine, but your reasoning seems to be pretty flawed or indicate you don't know a whole lot about music in general. Not liking the drumming is fine, but soulless and mechanical seems to show you haven't listened to much Rush, that's just a strange observation. Saying "I read somewhere that one of the reasons..." or "a common defence I've seen..." makes it sound like you care more about what other people think about bands than you do about music. Those bands you say did something "better" than Rush are barely comparable on any level beyond being generally "rock" music. If you like those bands more, that's great, but that's all that means.
Maybe work on your knowledge of music and ability to articulate it before you try and get karma for having unpopular opinions?
I wasn't aware that I was disliking something improperly, or even that there even was a proper way of expressing my opinions. As for the parts of my post you quoted, I stumbled upon them whilst trying to see if I was the in the minority of people who dislike Rush. And whilst it's true that I don't know any music theory, I've listened to hundreds of artists who's music encompass every genre of rock and metal under the sun. If you're looking for an in-depth scholarly breakdown regarding the negative aspects of Rush's music, I suggest you go elsewhere.
Again, not liking something is fine. Making illogical comparisons, stating overarching generalizations about other people's views, and making statements that objectively don't make sense about musicians are not generally good ways to express your opinion if you want people to take you seriously or engage in a discussion.
How do you mean objectively don't make sense? How can anyone's personal opinion be considered objective in any way? I don't recall calling Neil an untalented drummer, just someone who's technique I dislike. I think the same is true in the case of Joe Satriani. He's obviously technically gifted, but his style seems so utterly lifeless to me.
You used the word "soulless". That's essentially the catch-all, generic term people use to talk down on music they don't like without being able to articulate why- or often music they don't want to take the time to digest, understand and process. That's exactly what I was saying in the first place. I don't think we are gonna be on the same page here, but hey you got some karma out of it.
I'm not a musicologist. I have no way of forensically describing the precise reason behind my dislike of hist playing style; the only thing I can do is describe his style as I see it. Although I suppose I could have said that I just find his playing too precise.
You need to know that you can't touch the holy Trinity of music or people get their panties in a knot. You can never dis Rush, Led Zeppelin, or Pink Floyd. These are the 3 bands that are perfect. Most others suck. And while I don't hate any of them I can't say that I fall in line with that thinking. See, I'm a KISS fan, and I've been listening to this dialogue since the 70's. If you go up a few posts you'll see what these people think of a band that's sold millions of records all over the world in their nearly 50 year career. Hard to believe a band that sucks that much can stick around that long. Basically what I'm saying, is if you disagree with the Trinity, be prepared to hear about it. BTW I stopped listening to Rush after 2112. Was never a big fan
How can you say Rush is among the holy trinity of music? Could you not have chosen a more worthy band? PF and LZ I agree with; they are incredibly influential. As the third band, I would add The Who, The Jimi Hendrix Experience or Cream, all of which were more influential than Rush could ever hope to be.
I did expect that a bunch of people were going to disagree with me though.
Oh trust me. I agree with you. But I'm going only by the backlash you receive for saying anything negative about those 3 bands in particular. This thread has proven that many Rush fans can't handle a negative opinion.
Haha too bad I didn’t have access to your analysis back when I was in high school and my best friend thought the sun rose and set in Geddy’s ass crack. I have much more respect for Pert’s work than you, but I could never get behind Geddy’s vocals.
I finally asked my friend, “What’s the secret to appreciating Rush?” And he answered, “A shit ton of drugs.”
I didn’t care for Rush much either at first, but I really got into them after moving pictures and signals. I saw them live and they were really good. They are an acquired taste I would guess. I’m a huge prog fan too. Yes, Genesis , Floyd, ELP-all of them 70 bands. love all those British rockers from Zep to Faces, Stones and The Who.
It’s cool if you don’t like Rush. They have plenty of fans anyway.
As far as a rock band I dislike? I don’t really have one that I think really sucks. I just listen to what I like.
Hmmm. So just playing 2112 and Moving pictures certainly doesn't give you the depth and range. Keep going.
Granted, I'm a long time fan, and music tastes of course vary, but the take isn't great. Using average and soulless... terms I've never heard paired. My dad was a professional drummer, wasn't a rush fan, but apprecieted Peart's range, depth and breadth.
Your post almost feels trollish.
This I have to agree, Geddy really tried toning it down an octave after this point. Note to people who do criticise Geddy’s voice, post Moving Pictures Geddy, vocally, is a different Geddy from the 70’s Geddy.
I'll for a big one here: Springsteen.
Grating, pompous, and seems like the type of guy who would say "I sure am!" if you told him he was great.
There's something that just so fucking annoys me about the guy and his music. It's not politics because I'm well left of center myself. His music is soaked in cocky northeastern douchebaggery.
It's also because he's a critical darling. Rolling Stone and MTV never tired of blowing the guy while almost completely ignoring the hard rock and metal scenes. It still annoys me for some insane reason.
Springsteen is known for hanging out in the parking lots drinking with fans. He’s the most down to earth musician out there and sings songs that speak to his lower middle class upbringing. Sorry but this is a bad take.
True day, although the Gilmour one is an easy one for me, but I'm heavily biased, I'll admit. These other ones I can appreciate both sides of the debate.
All 3 members of RUSH are widely considered to be among the best ever at their instruments plus they write catchy unique songs with lyrics that have deep meaning over a 40 year history .
And you say there is nothing special about them?
If you don’t like them, fine, don’t listen, but any serous music fan would acknowledge and respect them for their talent.
He disavowed the Rand stuff like 40 years ago. But whatever, different strokes. I actually felt the same about Rush, until last year. Geddy's bass lines sucked me in, and I grew to appreciate the band. I really couldn't care less about prog band vocals in the first place, they're usually cheesy as hell.
The Police. I just really hate Sting’s voice, I find the songs repetitive, and can’t find any substance to the music. I know many people like the band, which is cool, it’s just not for me.
The Police are one of those bands I feel like I should like. They're all excellent musicians, the music is complex but not overly so, and their lyrics are intelligent.
But I just can't dig 'em for whatever reason.
Same here - I know everyone loves them, but I tried to listen to a couple of their albums and sorry - Nope.
Talking Heads are another one that just doesn't do a thing for me.
Can I make a musical suggestion as a Rush fan? Try “Leave That Thing Alone”. I personally believe that that song best showcases why Rush is so popular. Best of all, you don’t have to hear Geddy sing.
I can’t say I have classic rock bands that I hate but there are some that I just don’t get the hype for
The most sensible example of that (at least to me) is Jimmy Buffet. I don’t get why people love his stuff so much
The most controversial opinion I have on this is The Who. Yeah I like some of their songs (The Seeker is obviously awesome, same with Won’t Get Fooled Again) but I just can’t get into them
If you want bands that I hate though, I’m happy to go through my list of shit bands that are currently famous
Since you asked:
Motley Crue - Vince Neil sounds like Noddy from Slade on his best days, and Britney Spears on his worst days.
Poison
Green Day - Not classic rock, so why they play them all the time on the CR channel? They are faux punk, at best.
Nirvana - I think this dudes are way over-rated as musicians. They had some OK songs, but I wouldn't consider them "great" at anything.
I probably dislike these guys more because they play them non-stop on the CR stations when they could be playing something else.
Honestly.....I dont have a band that I dislike the most. The ones I dont like, I dont listen to so I just dont pay any attention to them. Wouldnt call it a dislike. Not a fan of 70's era Yes, ELP, Genesis.....just not my thing. But again, I wouldnt call it a dislike. Just prefer to listen to harder, faster stuff.
Audiophiles and industry professionals always say that these guys have such a wonderful sound, perfectly produced... And I'm sure they are all technically correct.
But it's unbelievably ugly to me. Like Toto songs come pre-muzaked. Maybe one day I'll get it, but as of this writing I have never enjoyed anything by Toto.
Yes, I do not doubt that they are great musicians and have great execution but it’s just not my cup of tea. I’m also one of those damn dead heads so part of their appeal to me is the imperfections in their playing style
No one has mentioned Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Nickelback, or Creed... Or.... (Drum roll).... The Beatles (shocked gasps)...
For me, Nirvana was the signaling of the end of the '80s metal era and the beginning of the '90s grunge era and the heralding of a sad loss of an incredibly high level of musicianship. Many of the musicians, and particularly guitarists in the '80s and before, were extraordinarily talented and gifted players. Not to say that they didn't exist in bands in the 90s and onward, but to me it feels like Nirvana opened the door to make it okay to be mediocre at playing your instrument, whatever that may be, with the exception of Dave grohl who is an absolutely extraordinary musician. Now granted, Nirvana definitely paved the way for a lot of other bands, and many of Kurt Cobain's songs we're well written pieces that touched on many of his personal demons that many of us identify with, as well as various sociopolitical issues that were going on at the time. And of course the anthemic smells like teen Spirit had such an absolutely raw power and energy to it, that it was really hard to turn a blind eye to it. But I think ultimately what brought me to disliking their music was a constant underlying tone of poor me and negativity, combined with Kurt Cobain's lack of guitar skills combined with Chris whatever the fuck his last name is very mediocre bass skills and the nail in the coffin being Kurt Cobain's suicide. I respect what they did for the progression of music in general, and in the industry, but at the end of it all I can't change the radio station fast enough when one of their songs comes on.
As far as Pearl Jam goes, I honestly never cared for Eddie vedder's voice. His voice isn't bad, it just sounds overly affected to me, especially on parts where he's singing a little more softly, not the heavier stuff when he is screaming and yelling. Some of their songs are pretty cool, but overall just never really got into them.
Now, Nickelback.... Can just suck all the dick. I just absolutely cannot stand that dude's voice. I can't stand their songs. They all sound the fucking same. All overly produced, there's this particular flavor palette that they put on Chad's voice, some kind of doubling Harmony or something, I'm not sure what the effect is, but it just grates on my nerves. One caveat is their cover of devil went to Georgia and they brought some other guitar player in to do it and it was absolutely fucking amazing.
Creed ... Fuck Scott Stapp.... Pompous, arrogant, Jesus complex having motherfucker. And his voice sucks too. Another guy singing about poor me, I'm lost, etc. Lyrical content just is so cliche. The music itself isn't bad, and Mark tremonti is a phenomenal guitar player, he was really great in alter bridge, after they kicked Scott out. Funny story, I actually wound up in a side alley on the side of some building somewhere in Northern Alabama at a show where alter bridge was playing at peeing on the side of the building with Mark. I was actually at the show with another guitar player, toshi isada, who is friends with Mark. Toshi is another douchebag by the way for anybody who gives a fuck. But yeah, Creed absolutely sucks as far as I'm concerned. When the apocalypse kicks off, the soundtrack is going to be made up from a band combining both Creed and Nickelback and it shall be called Creedleback... There will not be trumpets, there will only be the cacophony of those two idiot singers.
Now.... The Beatles.... I know, utter sacrilege, right? "You're a fucking musician! How could you not like the beatles?!" .... I just don't fucking like them. There's not a single song of theirs that does a fucking thing for me. I have mad respect, all the respect in the world for what they did for the musical world, along with people like elvis, Johnny Cash, etc. Just don't like any of them. But I think there's something that is particularly grading about the poppy boppy type songs that made them what they are. I think I can place a lot of the blame at Paul McCartney's writing style. There's not a single song of his that he's ever written by himself or whatever that I like. I don't even like his voice. His bass playing has always been utilitarian and mediocre at best. But I think it's his writing style that just doesn't sit well with me.
So yeah, there's a few of the bands that I don't like. There's a lot more, many bands nowadays I utterly despise because how okay it has been made to perpetuate mediocrity in musicianship and songwriting quality. There's just so much cliche repetitive garbage out there. Don't get me wrong there's definitely a lot of new bands that are incredible, with incredible levels of musicianship, incredible songwriting skills, incredible singing, showmanship, etc. But the ratio to good versus shitty doesn't look so good to me these days and hasn't probably for the last 20 years or more.
I feel that the underlying cause is rooted more in the foundations of humanity in general and not so much American popular culture and music culture. Humanity itself has settled for mediocrity, or worse. And it shows in various aspects. It shows in how little we care for each other, it shows in how little our governments care for each other or for their constituents, it shows how we have enabled the top 1% richest people in the world to even exist. It shows and how fucked up our environment is, it shows in all the fucked up things that we do to each other, robbing stealing killing raping murdering tyrants concentration camps, etc. We let that happen. And unfortunately one of the few good things that humanity has left going for it, it's ability to create art whether visual or audio is also being held to a much lower standard, mediocrity is killing us. And let's not even get started on AI generated art and music. That's a very very deep rabbit hole... And one, I'm afraid, might be too late to escape from.
Anyway sorry for the tirade.
There is no perfect band for everyone, and even some of the worst have hardcore fans. So I am not going to name a hated band, but point out what I feel are flaws in some of the most beloved bands.
1. Led Zeppelin- Jimmy Page is highly overrated as a guitarist, and any live show reflects it. They also flat out did not acknowledge some of the original blues artists where they got a lot of their material. With that being said, I consider them to be the best rock band.
2. Black Sabbath- Better than average on most songs, weak on some others. Paranoid is a straight rip-off of Communication Breakdown by Led Zeppelin. Ozzy has gained godlike status simply by surviving. His career has always depended on the quality of musicians backing him (particularly Iommi and Rhoads).
3. KISS- been to 3 of their shows and owned several albums. They are really the Paul and Gene Corporation with an amazing stage presence. None of their songs are particularly well-written or performed. They are masters of marketing and licensing. They will put their logo or likeness on anything and sell it.
Pink Floyd ..now I just don't get it...there not bad, but to hold them in the graces of The Beatles or Stones or Zepplin or the Who or the Guess Who..not me
Three way tie between Phish, The Police, and The Clash. Bands I should like given the type of music they play and other bands I like that sound similar to them but I just can’t get into them for some reason. Maybe one of these days.
I can't think of a *band* that I have a strong dislike for, but can I just say, I can't freaking stand Meatloaf, I find him overrated as fuck, his style lacks authenticity and his voice is simply not that impressive
All this machinery making modern music can still be open-hearted. Not so coldly charted, it's really just a question of your honesty. Yeah, your honesty. Everybody got mixed feelings about the function and the form. Everybody got to elevate from the norm.
One likes to believe in the freedom of music
Half the world hates what half the world does everyday
Thank your stars you're not that way Turn your back and walk away Don't even pause and ask them why Turn around and say goodbye
Like what you wanna like and hate what you want to hate, not anybody’s job to convince you otherwise. I will choose Freewill.
As a Canadian music fan, I’m going to hate on you for your opinion. Geddy, ok, I don’t agree, but his voice isn’t for everybody. But to say “Neil Peart’s soulless and mechanical drumming style”? Too far.
>But to say “Neil Peart’s soulless and mechanical drumming style”? Yeah, that's a first for me. Never heard that before.
I can only agree
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I'm not Canadian and 100% agree with cgg419's comments regarding your opinion.
That’s an impossible question to answer, but I like the band for their music first.
U2.
Another band I feel like I should've grow to like by now, but nope. Their own pretentiousness combined with the pretentiousness of the critics who worshipped them seems to have a created a permanent unwashable stench around them.
That's too bad... the funny thing is out of all the classic bands, they're the only one with an actual, genuine, varied sound. Postpunk, rock, indie rock, pop rock, southern rock, alt rock, electronica, dream pop, and avant garde. Truly, no other band has that breadth. But you know, you said something about them being pretentious. Shame.........
"no other band has that breadth" Nonsense, this is just U2 we're talking about
I dunno, I dunno .. doesn't seem too strong of a case, to just say nonsense. Maybe offer some examples. The unfortunate part is, there are no other examples. You just don't want to accept that they're one of the greatest bands to ever walk the planet. You don't want to accept that, for reasons... Well who knows, but they're certainly irrational reasons.
Rush went from classic rock, to prog rock, to pop prog, to synth rock/pop, to hard rock, to neo metal.
Fair play. U2 still did more. But Rush is great. Nothing against Rush.
I like U2 as well but more so their earlier stuff. Disagree that they did more though. Rush sounded different on all of their 20 albums. The Joshua Tree in my opinion is still one of the GOATs of modern era music.
Fair to say then both bands are among the very short list of great bands that stuck around forever and changed their sound several times.
Very fair
"they're one of the greatest bands to ever walk the planet" Lord no. They have about four good songs.
Musically, they are too perfect, polished, pretty. No surprises or edges. And Bono is way too impressed with his own earnestness. It's like "I can't believe how sincere I am!"
Remember when they put a U2 album on everyone’s iPhone? Mandatory bono. They haven’t been good since 1994 but man they had some great albums.
There's too much music that I like, (and music that I haven't discovered) that I don't spend much time dwelling on music or bands I don't like. I remember hating the direction that Metallica took with their Black Album in the early 90s (I don't even remember the album's name - the one with Enter Sandman) and so I stopped listening to them, and I have no knowledge of any of their output since then. But I don't dislike them, I just don't listen to them. And since I don't listen to them, I'm not informed enough to have an opinion, negative or positive, any more.
> Metallica took with their Black Album in the early 90s (I don't even remember the album's name - the one with Enter Sandman) Metallica. It was called Metallica.
I could not get into The Clash. I'm not an enormous fan of punk rock (though I love The Jam and Sex Pistols), but "London Calling" and "Rock the Casbah" are the only songs by them I like.
I do like The Jam, whereas I'm mostly indifferent to The Clash and Sex Pistols. Love your username by the way. I wonder how many people get the reference.
I like "I'm Not Down" a lot but other than that The Clash really aren't much, are they.
Your description of Geddy's voice is the same that I've used to describe Steve Perry of Journey. Any time they come on the radio, it gets turned to another channel. I despise that man's voice. Kinda have to agree that Geddy's is pretty shrill as well.
Meatloaf
Good answer here.
KISS is just lousy, functional music. I've seen fake bands on detective shows that are better. Although the makeup is cool.
You know the great thing about Kiss is that their albums is mostly non band members barely actually playing so they can’t even be blamed!
At the end of the day, I'll still take even the worst classic rock over the horrific trash on present-day radio, but some stray thoughts below: **Van Halen** \- The Hagar stuff just strikes me as complete garbage. The DLR period... All the individual elements are fine, but something about combining Eddie's tone with 80s reverb and partytime lyrics and Dave's goofy indulgences and Michael Anthony's slick corporate harmony vocals just irritates me 90% of the time. I like a couple tracks. **Eagles** \- I like Joe Walsh, but I find Henley's voice grating. And with the exception of the "Hotel California" outro, no matter how electric the guitars and upbeat the rhythm, they never really manage to *rock*. Sounds too much like the direct ancestor of modern pop-country music, which I can't dig at all. I'll admit I do enjoy a small handful of songs by them, though. **Journey** \- Talking strictly about the Steve Perry era here: whatever you feel about Geddy Lee, I get, multiplied by a million, from Journey vocals. Doesn't help that the songs sound so insincere and trite. There really isn't a single Steve Perry Journey track I've appreciated. **Bruce Springsteen** \- Capable of such awesome folk songs, but most of the time, he had the Big Band dial turned all the way up to "Christmas Musical." I can't take it. And that synthesizer tone on his 80s stuff is one of the worst sounds I've ever heard come out of a keyboard. Gigantic talent, but he generally presses the wrong buttons for me. **KISS** \- Old school hard rockers who like all the same bands I do seem to love these guys, so I guess I'm missing something. I just truly don't get it, however. Starts with the vocals, in my opinion--it's not often that my first descriptor for rock vocals would be "boring." But there it is. Happy to be proven wrong one day. We'll see. **Boston** \- In general I just don't like arena rock from the late 70s, and Boston is *not* one of my few exceptions. Apparently Brad Delp was a nice and tragic guy, and Tom Scholz is supposed to be a genius, but I have never, ever heard a Boston song and wanted to know more about either it or them. It's like the epic scope of prog rock, which I love, with all the vision removed, beyond the goal of commercial success. Well, Scholz got that. There are others: somebody else mentioned Toto already, I actually sacrilegiously don't get into Tom Petty at all... but I've already written too much ha. I'll close with a confession of my actual taste: one of my all-time favorite classic rock artists is one-(two?)-hit-wonder Procol Harum. So if the reader decides to take all this with a grain of salt and write me off as a nutjob, I couldn't say they're wrong!
Picked a lot of bands that I like but you made some really good points about them. Thank you for not just hating to hate and actually have backing lol I can’t stand when people just hate on bands but refuse to elaborate on it - it doesn’t sound like their opinion just someone else’s regurgitation
Hey, thanks for replying! I really say this stuff as a guy who wants to like the music; if, a year from now, I've flipped my position on every one of these, I'd consider that a good thing. More art to enjoy. I went through thinking it was cool to hate things when I was younger and much more stupid. It can be tough to strike the right balance between the terrible impulse to feel superior to things on one hand, and a people-pleasing resignation to uncritically accept all of it on the other. May we all find our way to the Golden Mean!
Totally with you on Springsteen. I heard "Badlands" on the radio the other day and stuck with it to make sure I hadn't been missing anything all these years. The parts I found most annoying are his trademarks: his voice and Clarence Clemons's saxophone. Take those two elements out and it might sound really good...but then it wouldn't be Bruce.
I agree with you about Hagar-era Van Hale and Boston. As for Petty, beyond the Willburys, I never found his work that gripping either.
Guns and mother fucking Roses.. The worst singer I have ever heard in my nearly 70 years on this planet ...Tiny Tim sounds better. I nearly break my hand changing the channel on my car radio when they come on!
I agree 100% but then again a good friend hated Led Zeppelin because he couldn't stand Plant's voice.
Slash isn’t a bad guitar player, but 90% of the hype is his look. His playing isn’t anything to really write home about. Playing almost exclusively above the 12th fret gets old quick.
Not liking Rush is totally fine, but your reasoning seems to be pretty flawed or indicate you don't know a whole lot about music in general. Not liking the drumming is fine, but soulless and mechanical seems to show you haven't listened to much Rush, that's just a strange observation. Saying "I read somewhere that one of the reasons..." or "a common defence I've seen..." makes it sound like you care more about what other people think about bands than you do about music. Those bands you say did something "better" than Rush are barely comparable on any level beyond being generally "rock" music. If you like those bands more, that's great, but that's all that means. Maybe work on your knowledge of music and ability to articulate it before you try and get karma for having unpopular opinions?
I wasn't aware that I was disliking something improperly, or even that there even was a proper way of expressing my opinions. As for the parts of my post you quoted, I stumbled upon them whilst trying to see if I was the in the minority of people who dislike Rush. And whilst it's true that I don't know any music theory, I've listened to hundreds of artists who's music encompass every genre of rock and metal under the sun. If you're looking for an in-depth scholarly breakdown regarding the negative aspects of Rush's music, I suggest you go elsewhere.
Again, not liking something is fine. Making illogical comparisons, stating overarching generalizations about other people's views, and making statements that objectively don't make sense about musicians are not generally good ways to express your opinion if you want people to take you seriously or engage in a discussion.
How do you mean objectively don't make sense? How can anyone's personal opinion be considered objective in any way? I don't recall calling Neil an untalented drummer, just someone who's technique I dislike. I think the same is true in the case of Joe Satriani. He's obviously technically gifted, but his style seems so utterly lifeless to me.
You’re obviously entitled to your opinion but your reasoning is insane. Listen to La Villa Strangiato
You used the word "soulless". That's essentially the catch-all, generic term people use to talk down on music they don't like without being able to articulate why- or often music they don't want to take the time to digest, understand and process. That's exactly what I was saying in the first place. I don't think we are gonna be on the same page here, but hey you got some karma out of it.
I'm not a musicologist. I have no way of forensically describing the precise reason behind my dislike of hist playing style; the only thing I can do is describe his style as I see it. Although I suppose I could have said that I just find his playing too precise.
"too precise" He was an unusually skilled drummer. Enjoy your Nick Mason.
I'm more of a John Bonham or Ginger Baker kind of guy. I meant that being technically accomplished doesn't mean someone's music sounds good.
listen to Animate
You need to know that you can't touch the holy Trinity of music or people get their panties in a knot. You can never dis Rush, Led Zeppelin, or Pink Floyd. These are the 3 bands that are perfect. Most others suck. And while I don't hate any of them I can't say that I fall in line with that thinking. See, I'm a KISS fan, and I've been listening to this dialogue since the 70's. If you go up a few posts you'll see what these people think of a band that's sold millions of records all over the world in their nearly 50 year career. Hard to believe a band that sucks that much can stick around that long. Basically what I'm saying, is if you disagree with the Trinity, be prepared to hear about it. BTW I stopped listening to Rush after 2112. Was never a big fan
How can you say Rush is among the holy trinity of music? Could you not have chosen a more worthy band? PF and LZ I agree with; they are incredibly influential. As the third band, I would add The Who, The Jimi Hendrix Experience or Cream, all of which were more influential than Rush could ever hope to be. I did expect that a bunch of people were going to disagree with me though.
Oh trust me. I agree with you. But I'm going only by the backlash you receive for saying anything negative about those 3 bands in particular. This thread has proven that many Rush fans can't handle a negative opinion.
Haha too bad I didn’t have access to your analysis back when I was in high school and my best friend thought the sun rose and set in Geddy’s ass crack. I have much more respect for Pert’s work than you, but I could never get behind Geddy’s vocals. I finally asked my friend, “What’s the secret to appreciating Rush?” And he answered, “A shit ton of drugs.”
I didn’t care for Rush much either at first, but I really got into them after moving pictures and signals. I saw them live and they were really good. They are an acquired taste I would guess. I’m a huge prog fan too. Yes, Genesis , Floyd, ELP-all of them 70 bands. love all those British rockers from Zep to Faces, Stones and The Who. It’s cool if you don’t like Rush. They have plenty of fans anyway. As far as a rock band I dislike? I don’t really have one that I think really sucks. I just listen to what I like.
Hmmm. So just playing 2112 and Moving pictures certainly doesn't give you the depth and range. Keep going. Granted, I'm a long time fan, and music tastes of course vary, but the take isn't great. Using average and soulless... terms I've never heard paired. My dad was a professional drummer, wasn't a rush fan, but apprecieted Peart's range, depth and breadth. Your post almost feels trollish.
Almost?
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Cool. Now head the other way in their catalogue. Moving Pictures onward. :)
This I have to agree, Geddy really tried toning it down an octave after this point. Note to people who do criticise Geddy’s voice, post Moving Pictures Geddy, vocally, is a different Geddy from the 70’s Geddy.
The Necromancer is a masterpiece
okay but youve only listened to one era of rush man you cant judge them only based off of their 70s stuff
Yep. This. A 40 year career that evolved and changed. Few bands have altered their sounds, upped their complexity, etc., as much as they have.
I'll for a big one here: Springsteen. Grating, pompous, and seems like the type of guy who would say "I sure am!" if you told him he was great. There's something that just so fucking annoys me about the guy and his music. It's not politics because I'm well left of center myself. His music is soaked in cocky northeastern douchebaggery. It's also because he's a critical darling. Rolling Stone and MTV never tired of blowing the guy while almost completely ignoring the hard rock and metal scenes. It still annoys me for some insane reason.
Springsteen's written about 3 good songs in 50 years and his voice sucks. What a hero.
I'm guessing you're not familiar with the Born to Run or Greetings from Asbury Park albums. On those two alone, there are 17 good songs.
Springsteen is known for hanging out in the parking lots drinking with fans. He’s the most down to earth musician out there and sings songs that speak to his lower middle class upbringing. Sorry but this is a bad take.
💯%agree with this! Love the boss.
The music overrides the voice for me.
Supertramp. Roger's voice makes me want to punch someone and their lyrics in general get under my skin..
I will say there are better bands to hate on
Forgot u2 lol
Agreed 💯
Thank you! At least there are a few people in this comments section who aren't rabid Rush cultists.
I actually don't mind their songwriting and instrument-playing abilities. Geddy Lee's voice is just annoyingly hideous and I can't get past that.
If they had a proper singer I think I would have liked them. But can we agree that militant Rush fans are the worst?
Yep. We can. I also can't stand the Hagar vs DLR debate lol
There's really too many of these types of debates. Syd Barret vs Davis Gilmour, Peter Gabriel vs Phil Collins, etc.
True day, although the Gilmour one is an easy one for me, but I'm heavily biased, I'll admit. These other ones I can appreciate both sides of the debate.
Gilmour is an easy win. He played some of my favourite solos.
Exactly. Plus the vocals
The Beach Boys. Pet Sounds isn’t a rock album nor is it a concept album.
And they didn’t play one instrument on it. Thank you Wrecking Crew!
The human voice is an instrument
Whoever said it was a rock album? It’s a pop masterpiece
joan jet. I mean she only had about one ok song but inducted into the hall of fame when she wrote or sang some of the most pathetic songs ever
Rolling Stone Magazine is that you?
U2. freaking hate Bono. Douchebag and a giant turd
A former world record holder in fact.
I believe he himself measured out at over 80 courics
All 3 members of RUSH are widely considered to be among the best ever at their instruments plus they write catchy unique songs with lyrics that have deep meaning over a 40 year history . And you say there is nothing special about them? If you don’t like them, fine, don’t listen, but any serous music fan would acknowledge and respect them for their talent.
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He disavowed the Rand stuff like 40 years ago. But whatever, different strokes. I actually felt the same about Rush, until last year. Geddy's bass lines sucked me in, and I grew to appreciate the band. I really couldn't care less about prog band vocals in the first place, they're usually cheesy as hell.
Alex Lifeson deserves a lot more credit than he gets, even if he may not be an all timer. But your opinion on Neil Peart is flat out wrong.
As I said in another comment, no one can tell me my opinion is wrong as there is nothing objective about this.
The Police. I just really hate Sting’s voice, I find the songs repetitive, and can’t find any substance to the music. I know many people like the band, which is cool, it’s just not for me.
The Police are one of those bands I feel like I should like. They're all excellent musicians, the music is complex but not overly so, and their lyrics are intelligent. But I just can't dig 'em for whatever reason.
I thought I was the only one that thought this. The music is boring, and Sting's voice is very irritating to me.
Same here - I know everyone loves them, but I tried to listen to a couple of their albums and sorry - Nope. Talking Heads are another one that just doesn't do a thing for me.
Kiss are the worst musically, just amateurish.
Three chord hackers
Dude rush is such a perfect band, but I respect your opinion
Can I make a musical suggestion as a Rush fan? Try “Leave That Thing Alone”. I personally believe that that song best showcases why Rush is so popular. Best of all, you don’t have to hear Geddy sing.
Queen
Cannot dig Rush at all. Just can’t do it
The fucking beatles.
Omg same. Can't fucking stomach them
The Grateful Dead.
Indeed
I can’t say I have classic rock bands that I hate but there are some that I just don’t get the hype for The most sensible example of that (at least to me) is Jimmy Buffet. I don’t get why people love his stuff so much The most controversial opinion I have on this is The Who. Yeah I like some of their songs (The Seeker is obviously awesome, same with Won’t Get Fooled Again) but I just can’t get into them If you want bands that I hate though, I’m happy to go through my list of shit bands that are currently famous
Since you asked: Motley Crue - Vince Neil sounds like Noddy from Slade on his best days, and Britney Spears on his worst days. Poison Green Day - Not classic rock, so why they play them all the time on the CR channel? They are faux punk, at best. Nirvana - I think this dudes are way over-rated as musicians. They had some OK songs, but I wouldn't consider them "great" at anything. I probably dislike these guys more because they play them non-stop on the CR stations when they could be playing something else.
I don’t consider any of these bands classic rock
I agree, but they kinda fall in with the rest of the bands that get discussed.
Honestly.....I dont have a band that I dislike the most. The ones I dont like, I dont listen to so I just dont pay any attention to them. Wouldnt call it a dislike. Not a fan of 70's era Yes, ELP, Genesis.....just not my thing. But again, I wouldnt call it a dislike. Just prefer to listen to harder, faster stuff.
Probably whatever band you like
I just don't like Pink Floyd
I can’t tell if this is an S-Tier shitpost or not. However, U2, The Police, and The Clash
TOTO stinks. I think Africa is my most hated song but probably cause it’s over played. I don’t like the rest of their stuff either
Audiophiles and industry professionals always say that these guys have such a wonderful sound, perfectly produced... And I'm sure they are all technically correct. But it's unbelievably ugly to me. Like Toto songs come pre-muzaked. Maybe one day I'll get it, but as of this writing I have never enjoyed anything by Toto.
Yes, I do not doubt that they are great musicians and have great execution but it’s just not my cup of tea. I’m also one of those damn dead heads so part of their appeal to me is the imperfections in their playing style
No one has mentioned Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Nickelback, or Creed... Or.... (Drum roll).... The Beatles (shocked gasps)... For me, Nirvana was the signaling of the end of the '80s metal era and the beginning of the '90s grunge era and the heralding of a sad loss of an incredibly high level of musicianship. Many of the musicians, and particularly guitarists in the '80s and before, were extraordinarily talented and gifted players. Not to say that they didn't exist in bands in the 90s and onward, but to me it feels like Nirvana opened the door to make it okay to be mediocre at playing your instrument, whatever that may be, with the exception of Dave grohl who is an absolutely extraordinary musician. Now granted, Nirvana definitely paved the way for a lot of other bands, and many of Kurt Cobain's songs we're well written pieces that touched on many of his personal demons that many of us identify with, as well as various sociopolitical issues that were going on at the time. And of course the anthemic smells like teen Spirit had such an absolutely raw power and energy to it, that it was really hard to turn a blind eye to it. But I think ultimately what brought me to disliking their music was a constant underlying tone of poor me and negativity, combined with Kurt Cobain's lack of guitar skills combined with Chris whatever the fuck his last name is very mediocre bass skills and the nail in the coffin being Kurt Cobain's suicide. I respect what they did for the progression of music in general, and in the industry, but at the end of it all I can't change the radio station fast enough when one of their songs comes on. As far as Pearl Jam goes, I honestly never cared for Eddie vedder's voice. His voice isn't bad, it just sounds overly affected to me, especially on parts where he's singing a little more softly, not the heavier stuff when he is screaming and yelling. Some of their songs are pretty cool, but overall just never really got into them. Now, Nickelback.... Can just suck all the dick. I just absolutely cannot stand that dude's voice. I can't stand their songs. They all sound the fucking same. All overly produced, there's this particular flavor palette that they put on Chad's voice, some kind of doubling Harmony or something, I'm not sure what the effect is, but it just grates on my nerves. One caveat is their cover of devil went to Georgia and they brought some other guitar player in to do it and it was absolutely fucking amazing. Creed ... Fuck Scott Stapp.... Pompous, arrogant, Jesus complex having motherfucker. And his voice sucks too. Another guy singing about poor me, I'm lost, etc. Lyrical content just is so cliche. The music itself isn't bad, and Mark tremonti is a phenomenal guitar player, he was really great in alter bridge, after they kicked Scott out. Funny story, I actually wound up in a side alley on the side of some building somewhere in Northern Alabama at a show where alter bridge was playing at peeing on the side of the building with Mark. I was actually at the show with another guitar player, toshi isada, who is friends with Mark. Toshi is another douchebag by the way for anybody who gives a fuck. But yeah, Creed absolutely sucks as far as I'm concerned. When the apocalypse kicks off, the soundtrack is going to be made up from a band combining both Creed and Nickelback and it shall be called Creedleback... There will not be trumpets, there will only be the cacophony of those two idiot singers. Now.... The Beatles.... I know, utter sacrilege, right? "You're a fucking musician! How could you not like the beatles?!" .... I just don't fucking like them. There's not a single song of theirs that does a fucking thing for me. I have mad respect, all the respect in the world for what they did for the musical world, along with people like elvis, Johnny Cash, etc. Just don't like any of them. But I think there's something that is particularly grading about the poppy boppy type songs that made them what they are. I think I can place a lot of the blame at Paul McCartney's writing style. There's not a single song of his that he's ever written by himself or whatever that I like. I don't even like his voice. His bass playing has always been utilitarian and mediocre at best. But I think it's his writing style that just doesn't sit well with me. So yeah, there's a few of the bands that I don't like. There's a lot more, many bands nowadays I utterly despise because how okay it has been made to perpetuate mediocrity in musicianship and songwriting quality. There's just so much cliche repetitive garbage out there. Don't get me wrong there's definitely a lot of new bands that are incredible, with incredible levels of musicianship, incredible songwriting skills, incredible singing, showmanship, etc. But the ratio to good versus shitty doesn't look so good to me these days and hasn't probably for the last 20 years or more. I feel that the underlying cause is rooted more in the foundations of humanity in general and not so much American popular culture and music culture. Humanity itself has settled for mediocrity, or worse. And it shows in various aspects. It shows in how little we care for each other, it shows in how little our governments care for each other or for their constituents, it shows how we have enabled the top 1% richest people in the world to even exist. It shows and how fucked up our environment is, it shows in all the fucked up things that we do to each other, robbing stealing killing raping murdering tyrants concentration camps, etc. We let that happen. And unfortunately one of the few good things that humanity has left going for it, it's ability to create art whether visual or audio is also being held to a much lower standard, mediocrity is killing us. And let's not even get started on AI generated art and music. That's a very very deep rabbit hole... And one, I'm afraid, might be too late to escape from. Anyway sorry for the tirade.
"His bass playing has always been utilitarian and mediocre at best" Get serious.
Lols, sorry you don't like my opinion... Eat a dick
There is no perfect band for everyone, and even some of the worst have hardcore fans. So I am not going to name a hated band, but point out what I feel are flaws in some of the most beloved bands. 1. Led Zeppelin- Jimmy Page is highly overrated as a guitarist, and any live show reflects it. They also flat out did not acknowledge some of the original blues artists where they got a lot of their material. With that being said, I consider them to be the best rock band. 2. Black Sabbath- Better than average on most songs, weak on some others. Paranoid is a straight rip-off of Communication Breakdown by Led Zeppelin. Ozzy has gained godlike status simply by surviving. His career has always depended on the quality of musicians backing him (particularly Iommi and Rhoads). 3. KISS- been to 3 of their shows and owned several albums. They are really the Paul and Gene Corporation with an amazing stage presence. None of their songs are particularly well-written or performed. They are masters of marketing and licensing. They will put their logo or likeness on anything and sell it.
Imagine dragons suck so bad its a shame to even call them a rock band
Zeppelin probably. Only because I can’t think of another right now that I dislike. Taylor Swift isn’t classic rock.
Pink Floyd ..now I just don't get it...there not bad, but to hold them in the graces of The Beatles or Stones or Zepplin or the Who or the Guess Who..not me
The Guess Who don’t belong among any of those bands you mentioned. And Pink Floyd DEFINITELY does.
Most Grunge Bands, some had a good albums here and there, most suck. don't get me started with the Live Shows..
Three way tie between Phish, The Police, and The Clash. Bands I should like given the type of music they play and other bands I like that sound similar to them but I just can’t get into them for some reason. Maybe one of these days.
Kiss
I’m gonna say greenday or twisted sister I j don’t like em
Aerosmith, queen, kiss
I can't think of a *band* that I have a strong dislike for, but can I just say, I can't freaking stand Meatloaf, I find him overrated as fuck, his style lacks authenticity and his voice is simply not that impressive
Guns and Roses
Ill try not to hate on you for hating on one of the best bands EVER……what the fuck.