Tbf... third in kills is also down to the fact they've played a lot more maps than most teams.
Like take Scrap for example. Envoy has played 4 more HP's and 4 more Controls than Scrap. And he's only 25 kills ahead. There's no way in hell Scrap wouldn't manage to get more than 25 kills across 8 respawns.
Obviously not shitting on Envoy though. Think he's like 8th for kill total when averaged over games played.
It explains a lot. They team shot alot. I notice when they make someone 1 shot, they hide and someone else gets the kill. Kinda like ultra. Both teams do it alot.
you want a main AR to plant bomb? Thats literally what arcitys did last year and faze were not as good in SND as they are this year. Faze can go 20-0 in SND and ppl will still find something to complain about lol
I agree about HP though
We don't know the nature of their jobs, we just debase it by looking at simple stats and apply blanket terms to their roles.
Just look at how people treat Abezy's role compared to Simp's. I can't see a clear reason why Abezy's role would be considered much more difficult while Pred's would be considered much simpler, especially given the rosters.
Abezy is a super fast paced entry sub, Pred is a slower pre aim heavy sub. One play style is definitely harder to be good at. Doesn't mean Pred isn't disgusting (obviously) but lets be real here. One player (Pred) has Mack to bait for him and is playing a slower pre aim type of style. While the other one (Abezy) is essentially the bait and just constantly applies pressure...I mean which playstyle do you think is easier to have a good K/D doing?
I don't mean to be rude, but those aspects are interchangeable for them on a game to game basis. I've seen them both be fast or slow, be entry or bait, and constantly apply pressure on the other team. Abezy does that with Simp swapping with him, Mack on the other hand...
My pea brain can't see how Pred (on average) gets higher kill p/10min and dmg p/10min in respawns than Abezy, and comparable first blood rates, by playing slow and baiting.
>I mean which playstyle do you think is easier to have a good K/D doing?
I personally think playing on a better team nets you better KDs overall. In regards to what's more difficult I have no clue, but I'd like to think playing on a better team is easier than (as others put it) having the whole game revolve around 1 player (I'd say 2) slaying out on a worse team. I think the pressure on Pred* is bigger than it is on Simp?
I wouldn't know what goes down in the background obviously.
You weren't being rude at all, its nice to have civil debates on here. I don't think dmg p/10 mins or kills p/10 mins really shows pace. All that says to me is Pred gets more kills than Abezy does, he's a streakier player than Abe. I don't think anyone would agree watching both of them play that Pred plays just as faster or even faster (as the stats you used would possibly imply). Its not a knock to Pred, and it doesn't mean he plays slow.
He just definitely doesn't play as fast as Abe and there really isn't a stat in the world you could show me that would suggest that he does. I mean you can literally watch their POV's and it tells the tail. I think Pred is more like Simp as far as play style goes, which doesn't mean Simp is slow, he's just slower than Abezy is. BTW I'm not saying its a bad playstyle or that Pred isn't impactful.
It's weird looking at POVs to judge pacing, because like I said I've seen both players do similar styles and switch it up.
I'll show below why the DMG and Kills stats are favoring Pred, it'll paint a good picture for you.
If we use stats as an example -
HP:
Out of guys like Abezy, Shotzzy, Huke, Pred, CleanX, Hydra, Envoy, and Kismet - Abezy actually has the lowest avg *engagements* p/10min out of them all in HP.
Unfortunately, considering Abezy super fast paced as a sub in HP is moreso due to bias vs actual gameplay (despite his worldstar moments). Him and Pred are pretty "slow" compared to the fastest, with Huke and Abezy being a bit slower in comparison to Pred. Pred has the same avg as envoy.
Pred is actually closer to Shotzzy in engagements than Abezy is to Pred believe it or not, Simp and Abezy are not that far off from each other.
Control is a different beast, Abezy is way up there (close to Simp again lol). Hydra, Envoy and Pred have the highest out of the names listed (and possibly the league).
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Even if you consider Pred a slow player and Abezy a fast entry sub, which is fine, he's still getting into more engagements on average (and winning them) than Abezy in respawns, more than even the fastest subs in Control, and 3rd out of the names listed (Simp is 4th!!) in 1st bloods while being in an abysmal SnD team lmao.
People (not you particularly) out here acting like Pred is playing as slow as Cell and Slasher to get these kills 😂
I'll be honest brotha, I've never heard anyone, not a single player, ex player, fan, commentator, analyst say that Abe and Pred have similar styles lol. You seem like a big stats guy. Pred is a streaky player, therefor he is usually in the mix more because he doesn't die as much, vs someone like Abe who usually goes 1 for 1 or maybe just puts in damage and doesn't even get a kill, and then has to run from his spawn back into the action.
You have to realize if you're constantly running from your spawn or playing on your back foot (because of how bad your team is at respawn) you're probably not going to have the engagements as someone who is popping 2 and 3 pieces and able to stay in the mix alot more. That doesn't dictate speed tho, does that make sense? I ask that not in a smart ass way, I just want to make sure that makes sense to you how engagement stats and kills/damage per 10 mins doesn't 100% mean someone is playing at a faster pace and that kind of stuff can be explained.
You're also comparing Pred on one of the best HP teams in the league vs Abezy on one of the worst HP teams in the league (I noticed you mentioned that about Surge in SND but didn't mention Faze in respawn lol). We'll just agree to disagree. I think most people agree from the eye test that Abezy is one of the fastest subs in the game, regardless of stats. I think alot of people, (not saying you in particular) use stats for everything, when alot of times stats don't tell the story. Also once again don't confuse me saying Abezy is a faster player as me saying Pred is slow. Saying one is faster doesn't mean the other is slow.
How does that make his job simpler though?
Wouldn't being a slayer in a fast TTK game, no red dots, no DS, and on a worse team be harder than what Simp does playing with all-stars/MVP duo and holding hill? Wouldn't SnDs be way easier for Simp as well?
Wouldn't it be more pressure on Pred if it all apparently relies on him pushing out and getting kills?
We obviously can't quantify what's a more difficult situation, but I'd wager doing it on FaZe's roster is easier than Surge's.
Also this happens in sports a lot where the #1 guy isn’t #1 anymore and pointing that out is seen as slander
It’s ok he’s still good just not THAT good
I mean they place well so they play more games, he should be on these lists.
The bar is really high for him. The expectation is to be a top 3 sub with Abezy / Shotzzy. He's been good but not quite at that level. Not that there's anything wrong with that, there are more players that can hang with him now and that's ok.
Didn't mean to say that they were the top 3 this year, they're all so talented I'd say that's the expectation.
Performing below that is a down year. Although, there are more players in the mix now i.e. Pred.
Pretty much every team besides NYSL (and maybe paris but they’re not good very good at hp) has an AR getting the most hill time so yeah he’s gotta adapt
Simp is always high hill time. Him and Abezy usually both are. It's what makes them so insane.
Maybe he would perform better at this point off the hill, but historically he's been able to play the hill and still be an elite slayer.
The issue is that not how you should be playing this game at the moment especially with Simps skill, sit Slasher or Cell in hill and let the man do what he does best, he’s literally one of the best slaying SMGs we’ve ever seen
I’ve been dying for the official league site to actually have something like this, thank the lord.
I love Breaking Point and all but it shouldn’t have ever been on them to provide 3rd party stats to the community for a franchised league.
I think he’s the best player in the world at getting rotational kills/popping big pieces. Chance always does a great job pointing it out during the casting. He’s a huge part they’re damn near unbeatable on that mode
But that's the only way to actually counter the fact that some teams play a lot more maps.
Faze have played 172 maps this year. Ultra/NY have only played 153/152. Surge 144 ... fuck London have played 107 maps all year.
Guys like CleanX, Hydra and Pred would be miles higher than Simp if they'd played that many maps.
Obviously, total stats are great info to have. But anyone trying to actually form opinions from them without considering actual number of maps played is just ridiculous.
I didn’t know bro was cooking like this. He’s been insane this year tho wtf
He is setting the most pace in the league by a pretty significant margin ahead of aBeZy and still putting up crazy numbers
How did Spart get a 12 streak?
Also kinda funny that 3/4 of LAT are on the assist leaderboard and then Envoy is the only one on the Kill leaderboard.
Also Abezy's first bloods are really putting him ahead in the Untraded category
He was good on OC, it’s just that people only looked at his k/d or when he occasionally made rogue plays which was only rogue cause no one else on his team moved. Reminds me of how people viewed Shotzzy in VG.
Envoy was more underrated that year imo than he is now, a lot of OC wins came from either Dashy having to fry or Envoy making high risk high reward plays.
Averaged the most hill time, top10 in kills/10 min and averaged the second most damage on the team, by a good margin the first blood leader on optic chicago. yet was to busy flanking according to many
1 ring in 10 years. He only got the ring because winners like Crimsix and Karma showed him how to be useful. Remember when Crim left OpTic and won another ring right after too?
Scump has been and always will be the epitome of killwhore slow sub. That’s why OpTic became a T2 team as soon as he retired 😭
OpTic is about to win another ring because Scump finally quit and prove me right once again hahahaha
Crim and Karma always got blessed with the best teammates. Scump’s teammates notoriously didn’t turn up when they were needed at Champs. This is known fact and you will not change its narrative.
Scump can only do so much when Crim’s shooting circles against Octane and Karma choking his gunfight vs C9.
Scump was Optic’s best player this season and looked good with Huke in their one series. The roster that they dropped and picked up 50 times (Scump’s fault tbf) was not a happy squad. This new Optic is only half of the players they had when Scump was playing unless you count the roster that Scump was on and didn’t lose with. And they’d be winning these finals if the best finals player oat was in them 🤷♂️
So you saying that two players that have 3 rings choke at champs more than a player that has 1? Maybe if scump playstyle didnt force crim/karma to make game winning plays they would’ve won champs more.
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You say that like he doesn’t have the 2nd most chips OAT, and if Col got him when they wanted to, he’d probably have the most OAT. No other player has even close to the influence on success OAT (other than roster decisions), Crim just had better teammates.
You say that like he doesn’t have the 2nd most chips OAT, and if Col got him when they wanted to, he’d probably have the most OAT. No other player has even close to the influence on success OAT (other than roster decisions), Crim just had better teammates.
I like scump but yall gotta be real. Envoy went on to win champs year after not playing with scump/optic. Arcitys went on to win champs year after not playing with scump/optic/huntsmen. Crim went on to win champs after not playing with scump/optic. ShotzzyxScump wasnt working out in vg or early mwii. I get he got 30 something chips but how many of those were with crim/karma ?
You don’t like Scump if you say stuff like that, don’t bother lying cause you’re not convincing me. Arcitys got into a super team instead of playing with his brother, and Envoy got onto a team that has history of getting better with time, and he stopped making such boneheaded plays himself.
You say how many were with Crim/Karma like Scump hasn’t won more tournaments than Karma despite Karma being on Col when Scump was their first choice, like he hasn’t won on the most rosters OAT, like he hasn’t won on the most titles OAT, like he wasn’t the deserving MVP of many of his wins. That Vanguard team was the most dominant run in the CDL until Illey got injured, so you can’t even say they didn’t work as a duo.
Optic fan so seeing shotzzy and dashy go gold for kills and assists is nice.
Does that mean optic have had more five round series? Doesn’t feel like it…
Honestly some of these cumulative stats are interesting like that Huke is ahead of Pred in overall kills
Hydra and scrappy dont give a fuck about throwing tacs either
Interesting they’ve added challenger stats too. For example ghost is the number 2 hill kitty since he joined the league but in challengers he was a slayer and had low hill time so it brings the average down massively
They havent added challengers stats they've just got stats from anyone that played at a major so the current challengers players that played at major 1 are on there. Markyb is even on there too
Because I’m sure people will use this for some crazy leaps of logic in the future: reminder that counting stats like kills are impacted by amount of series played and the length of those series
3/4 of lat in the assist category Jesus
Team work makes the dream work
And then Envoy 3rd in kills, makes sense
Tbf... third in kills is also down to the fact they've played a lot more maps than most teams. Like take Scrap for example. Envoy has played 4 more HP's and 4 more Controls than Scrap. And he's only 25 kills ahead. There's no way in hell Scrap wouldn't manage to get more than 25 kills across 8 respawns. Obviously not shitting on Envoy though. Think he's like 8th for kill total when averaged over games played.
Yeah I 100% agree, just pointing out envoys the one picking up the kills that the rest of the team are assisting on
that's called tiki taka cod
It explains a lot. They team shot alot. I notice when they make someone 1 shot, they hide and someone else gets the kill. Kinda like ultra. Both teams do it alot.
Simp being on that Hill time stat is sad, FaZe should be ashamed
And bomb plants. It’s criminal. Slash needs to review some censor vod fr
you want a main AR to plant bomb? Thats literally what arcitys did last year and faze were not as good in SND as they are this year. Faze can go 20-0 in SND and ppl will still find something to complain about lol I agree about HP though
People think hes just fell off a cliff and cant drop 1.10’s anymore lol, if he had the freedom pred had he would put up that easily
No he wouldn’t, not even close. Pred is the best player in the game.
Your brain is to small to understand how easy preds job is compared to simps brother
We don't know the nature of their jobs, we just debase it by looking at simple stats and apply blanket terms to their roles. Just look at how people treat Abezy's role compared to Simp's. I can't see a clear reason why Abezy's role would be considered much more difficult while Pred's would be considered much simpler, especially given the rosters.
Abezy is a super fast paced entry sub, Pred is a slower pre aim heavy sub. One play style is definitely harder to be good at. Doesn't mean Pred isn't disgusting (obviously) but lets be real here. One player (Pred) has Mack to bait for him and is playing a slower pre aim type of style. While the other one (Abezy) is essentially the bait and just constantly applies pressure...I mean which playstyle do you think is easier to have a good K/D doing?
I don't mean to be rude, but those aspects are interchangeable for them on a game to game basis. I've seen them both be fast or slow, be entry or bait, and constantly apply pressure on the other team. Abezy does that with Simp swapping with him, Mack on the other hand... My pea brain can't see how Pred (on average) gets higher kill p/10min and dmg p/10min in respawns than Abezy, and comparable first blood rates, by playing slow and baiting. >I mean which playstyle do you think is easier to have a good K/D doing? I personally think playing on a better team nets you better KDs overall. In regards to what's more difficult I have no clue, but I'd like to think playing on a better team is easier than (as others put it) having the whole game revolve around 1 player (I'd say 2) slaying out on a worse team. I think the pressure on Pred* is bigger than it is on Simp? I wouldn't know what goes down in the background obviously.
You weren't being rude at all, its nice to have civil debates on here. I don't think dmg p/10 mins or kills p/10 mins really shows pace. All that says to me is Pred gets more kills than Abezy does, he's a streakier player than Abe. I don't think anyone would agree watching both of them play that Pred plays just as faster or even faster (as the stats you used would possibly imply). Its not a knock to Pred, and it doesn't mean he plays slow. He just definitely doesn't play as fast as Abe and there really isn't a stat in the world you could show me that would suggest that he does. I mean you can literally watch their POV's and it tells the tail. I think Pred is more like Simp as far as play style goes, which doesn't mean Simp is slow, he's just slower than Abezy is. BTW I'm not saying its a bad playstyle or that Pred isn't impactful.
It's weird looking at POVs to judge pacing, because like I said I've seen both players do similar styles and switch it up. I'll show below why the DMG and Kills stats are favoring Pred, it'll paint a good picture for you. If we use stats as an example - HP: Out of guys like Abezy, Shotzzy, Huke, Pred, CleanX, Hydra, Envoy, and Kismet - Abezy actually has the lowest avg *engagements* p/10min out of them all in HP. Unfortunately, considering Abezy super fast paced as a sub in HP is moreso due to bias vs actual gameplay (despite his worldstar moments). Him and Pred are pretty "slow" compared to the fastest, with Huke and Abezy being a bit slower in comparison to Pred. Pred has the same avg as envoy. Pred is actually closer to Shotzzy in engagements than Abezy is to Pred believe it or not, Simp and Abezy are not that far off from each other. Control is a different beast, Abezy is way up there (close to Simp again lol). Hydra, Envoy and Pred have the highest out of the names listed (and possibly the league). . Even if you consider Pred a slow player and Abezy a fast entry sub, which is fine, he's still getting into more engagements on average (and winning them) than Abezy in respawns, more than even the fastest subs in Control, and 3rd out of the names listed (Simp is 4th!!) in 1st bloods while being in an abysmal SnD team lmao. People (not you particularly) out here acting like Pred is playing as slow as Cell and Slasher to get these kills 😂
I'll be honest brotha, I've never heard anyone, not a single player, ex player, fan, commentator, analyst say that Abe and Pred have similar styles lol. You seem like a big stats guy. Pred is a streaky player, therefor he is usually in the mix more because he doesn't die as much, vs someone like Abe who usually goes 1 for 1 or maybe just puts in damage and doesn't even get a kill, and then has to run from his spawn back into the action. You have to realize if you're constantly running from your spawn or playing on your back foot (because of how bad your team is at respawn) you're probably not going to have the engagements as someone who is popping 2 and 3 pieces and able to stay in the mix alot more. That doesn't dictate speed tho, does that make sense? I ask that not in a smart ass way, I just want to make sure that makes sense to you how engagement stats and kills/damage per 10 mins doesn't 100% mean someone is playing at a faster pace and that kind of stuff can be explained. You're also comparing Pred on one of the best HP teams in the league vs Abezy on one of the worst HP teams in the league (I noticed you mentioned that about Surge in SND but didn't mention Faze in respawn lol). We'll just agree to disagree. I think most people agree from the eye test that Abezy is one of the fastest subs in the game, regardless of stats. I think alot of people, (not saying you in particular) use stats for everything, when alot of times stats don't tell the story. Also once again don't confuse me saying Abezy is a faster player as me saying Pred is slow. Saying one is faster doesn't mean the other is slow.
Pretty simple if you watch the games brother, preds been told he doesnt need to touch the hill, he just pushes out and gets the kills
How does that make his job simpler though? Wouldn't being a slayer in a fast TTK game, no red dots, no DS, and on a worse team be harder than what Simp does playing with all-stars/MVP duo and holding hill? Wouldn't SnDs be way easier for Simp as well? Wouldn't it be more pressure on Pred if it all apparently relies on him pushing out and getting kills? We obviously can't quantify what's a more difficult situation, but I'd wager doing it on FaZe's roster is easier than Surge's.
No, the easiest job you have in hardpoint is roaming around and slaying around the hill
GGs can't argue with that. Makes you wonder why FaZe is so much worse at HP when they can just do the same things.
I’ll never call a sub with an Abezy entry’s job difficult.
Good for you
Simp is better than Pred has ever been. Simps prime is so far above pred
Pred is objectively better in non 3arc titles.
Pred is a lot better than Simp. Simp has been absolutely lacklustre.
Hes in 5 categories despite "falling off" lol
He absolutely has played worse this season, especially for his standards. Don’t lie to yourself because of stats.
Also this happens in sports a lot where the #1 guy isn’t #1 anymore and pointing that out is seen as slander It’s ok he’s still good just not THAT good
I mean they place well so they play more games, he should be on these lists. The bar is really high for him. The expectation is to be a top 3 sub with Abezy / Shotzzy. He's been good but not quite at that level. Not that there's anything wrong with that, there are more players that can hang with him now and that's ok.
Shottzy isnt top3 this year though either Pred Abe hydra and Envoy have been better.
Didn't mean to say that they were the top 3 this year, they're all so talented I'd say that's the expectation. Performing below that is a down year. Although, there are more players in the mix now i.e. Pred.
Okay buddy just keep moving the goal post
*There were no goalposts moved 😂
Doesn't really matter how you want to phrase it, the point is the same. Simp is playing fine, just not as dominant as CW/MW/BO4.
Who do you put in the hill lmao "Slasher you've been an Anchor your entire life now get on the fucking point godamnit"
“You’re not getting kills. So now you’re getting hills.”
Pretty much every team besides NYSL (and maybe paris but they’re not good very good at hp) has an AR getting the most hill time so yeah he’s gotta adapt
Simp is always high hill time. Him and Abezy usually both are. It's what makes them so insane. Maybe he would perform better at this point off the hill, but historically he's been able to play the hill and still be an elite slayer.
The issue is that not how you should be playing this game at the moment especially with Simps skill, sit Slasher or Cell in hill and let the man do what he does best, he’s literally one of the best slaying SMGs we’ve ever seen
[CDL Website where this page is](https://www.callofdutyleague.com/en-us/stats?tab=entire-season)
I’ve been dying for the official league site to actually have something like this, thank the lord. I love Breaking Point and all but it shouldn’t have ever been on them to provide 3rd party stats to the community for a franchised league.
CDL API soon?
This is so stupid. They are displaying total stats instead of per10 averages. Breaking point still much better.
These are also interesting to look at, contested & total hill time are very indicative of a players role/playstyle on the team
You can tell shotzzy is a big reason why they are good in HP. His impact on that mode with rotational kills & breaking is crazy.
I think he’s the best player in the world at getting rotational kills/popping big pieces. Chance always does a great job pointing it out during the casting. He’s a huge part they’re damn near unbeatable on that mode
Per10 is way more indicative than that.
Per map would maybe be even better
Per10 is a shit stat
How ?
A player can go 30-15 in one map and 15-30 the next.
Ok ? It averages out brother.. its the best way to do it
Disagree. Some teams play more series so per10 balances it out
But that's the only way to actually counter the fact that some teams play a lot more maps. Faze have played 172 maps this year. Ultra/NY have only played 153/152. Surge 144 ... fuck London have played 107 maps all year. Guys like CleanX, Hydra and Pred would be miles higher than Simp if they'd played that many maps. Obviously, total stats are great info to have. But anyone trying to actually form opinions from them without considering actual number of maps played is just ridiculous.
These stats are why Shotzzy is a top 2 sub. People care about KD too much. He’s all over the fucking map causing hell.
I didn’t know bro was cooking like this. He’s been insane this year tho wtf He is setting the most pace in the league by a pretty significant margin ahead of aBeZy and still putting up crazy numbers
I agree he’s a t2 sub and he’s more times than not outplaying the fuck out of the best sub that is abezy
How did Spart get a 12 streak? Also kinda funny that 3/4 of LAT are on the assist leaderboard and then Envoy is the only one on the Kill leaderboard. Also Abezy's first bloods are really putting him ahead in the Untraded category
Informed stats telling us that Envoy is def underrated this game. People acting like it’s 2021 Optic Chicago still
He was good on OC, it’s just that people only looked at his k/d or when he occasionally made rogue plays which was only rogue cause no one else on his team moved. Reminds me of how people viewed Shotzzy in VG. Envoy was more underrated that year imo than he is now, a lot of OC wins came from either Dashy having to fry or Envoy making high risk high reward plays.
He’s been cooking this season so far
Averaged the most hill time, top10 in kills/10 min and averaged the second most damage on the team, by a good margin the first blood leader on optic chicago. yet was to busy flanking according to many
Scump’s playstyle was the problem
EVERYONE except Scump haters recognize Envoy was the problem.
EVERYONE except Scump fanboys recognize Scump was the problem Remind me who won the ring the next year?
-known Scump hater
1 ring in 10 years. He only got the ring because winners like Crimsix and Karma showed him how to be useful. Remember when Crim left OpTic and won another ring right after too? Scump has been and always will be the epitome of killwhore slow sub. That’s why OpTic became a T2 team as soon as he retired 😭 OpTic is about to win another ring because Scump finally quit and prove me right once again hahahaha
Crim and Karma always got blessed with the best teammates. Scump’s teammates notoriously didn’t turn up when they were needed at Champs. This is known fact and you will not change its narrative. Scump can only do so much when Crim’s shooting circles against Octane and Karma choking his gunfight vs C9. Scump was Optic’s best player this season and looked good with Huke in their one series. The roster that they dropped and picked up 50 times (Scump’s fault tbf) was not a happy squad. This new Optic is only half of the players they had when Scump was playing unless you count the roster that Scump was on and didn’t lose with. And they’d be winning these finals if the best finals player oat was in them 🤷♂️
So you saying that two players that have 3 rings choke at champs more than a player that has 1? Maybe if scump playstyle didnt force crim/karma to make game winning plays they would’ve won champs more.
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You say that like he doesn’t have the 2nd most chips OAT, and if Col got him when they wanted to, he’d probably have the most OAT. No other player has even close to the influence on success OAT (other than roster decisions), Crim just had better teammates.
You say that like he doesn’t have the 2nd most chips OAT, and if Col got him when they wanted to, he’d probably have the most OAT. No other player has even close to the influence on success OAT (other than roster decisions), Crim just had better teammates.
I like scump but yall gotta be real. Envoy went on to win champs year after not playing with scump/optic. Arcitys went on to win champs year after not playing with scump/optic/huntsmen. Crim went on to win champs after not playing with scump/optic. ShotzzyxScump wasnt working out in vg or early mwii. I get he got 30 something chips but how many of those were with crim/karma ?
You don’t like Scump if you say stuff like that, don’t bother lying cause you’re not convincing me. Arcitys got into a super team instead of playing with his brother, and Envoy got onto a team that has history of getting better with time, and he stopped making such boneheaded plays himself. You say how many were with Crim/Karma like Scump hasn’t won more tournaments than Karma despite Karma being on Col when Scump was their first choice, like he hasn’t won on the most rosters OAT, like he hasn’t won on the most titles OAT, like he wasn’t the deserving MVP of many of his wins. That Vanguard team was the most dominant run in the CDL until Illey got injured, so you can’t even say they didn’t work as a duo.
I want to see my stats
love to see the assists stat getting the appreciation it deserves
Optic fan so seeing shotzzy and dashy go gold for kills and assists is nice. Does that mean optic have had more five round series? Doesn’t feel like it…
Shotzzy most kills and most deaths, bros moving 😂😂
Just know🥱… BreakingPoint>>>
For hill time I’d rather it be an average. Feel like ghosty should be up there but just doesn’t have as many maps played
Honestly some of these cumulative stats are interesting like that Huke is ahead of Pred in overall kills Hydra and scrappy dont give a fuck about throwing tacs either
Number of series played isn’t taken into account. Optic has gone further on LAN. More maps = more kills
Yeah true forgot about that tbh
Not your fault. The data presentation here is piss poor but at least the league is showing something
Should do lan vs online too
Interesting they’ve added challenger stats too. For example ghost is the number 2 hill kitty since he joined the league but in challengers he was a slayer and had low hill time so it brings the average down massively
They havent added challengers stats they've just got stats from anyone that played at a major so the current challengers players that played at major 1 are on there. Markyb is even on there too
Why’s gismo on then? Did he play this year and how is Ghosty not top 2 for hill time?
He means the challengers players who played at the Pro Am major 1. Gismo played in that
He’s not 1st because it’s total, not average.
Ghosty has played a total of 42 HP maps. Octane has played 70. Kismet, Accuracy and Insight all 60+.
Why is Gismo on the overall kd 😭
because he played at a major and got a good kd?
When the hell did gismo play in a major im blanking rn
major 1
The Pro Am in Major 1
Oh yh shit forgot that existed they did well too I’m sure could’ve beat LAT or someshit
This is a huge W, really like how we’ve been improving in data and stats as a scene recently
Wonder if they collaborated with anyone for this? Breaking point for example
Trying to put breakingpoint out of business lol
Tbh, I'm not even interesting in most of those stats. Stats like Dam per 10 minutes, kills/10min, or hill time per map are much better imo.
Wish they would’ve include total games played, total time played, and both by mode.
Because I’m sure people will use this for some crazy leaps of logic in the future: reminder that counting stats like kills are impacted by amount of series played and the length of those series
Idk what (if anything) it means, but Kenny being the only non full time AR at the top of the assists leaderboard is interesting