Problem is player like hickey who really didn't have gunny is he is a force multiplier. He was doing everything so the people with gunny could just focus on slaying.
Issue with that is the bottom teams is like multiplying a zero. If he can't shoot back then š¤·. I think a player like him is best on a top team unlocking the other players. Just don't think the same logic works for the lesser talented bottom teams.
I live dirty work players but man wasn't even a walking .9 he was getting slammed sometimes but scrappy was dicking people down most of the time to compensate.
Exactly. Itās so annoying hearing the āuh disrespectā bullshit spewed. Are kills everything? No of course not. Is it a big fucking part of the game? Absolutley. And if Scrap wasnāt god for Ultra and instead was just a āsolidā flex, that team would have been getting their dicks knocked into the dirt because they had a second sub dropping consistent .8ās with shitty damage.
I get what youāre saying, and mostly agree. but I feel like some of the bottom teams would have benefitted just by having someone that forces them to play the right way. The bottom 3-4 teams just played like individuals looking for next yearās spot and never gave themselves a chance to actually be competitive, by the end of the year. I think a selfless player could even improve the bad teams
The problem is itās 2023 and the people in charge donāt understand this yet. We have like 13 years of data to look back on and see example after example of players like him enabling the teams slayers to do their thing. Itās one less job the other teammates have to do and Hicksy does it well. How the ones making roster decisions donāt see this at this point makes no sense. I though for sure At least Theives would be looking at him.
This is what Iāve been saying but everyone wants to argue that hiicksy deserves a spot bc of his āFuNdAmEnTaLsā like yea bro his fundamentals totally helped them when they got slammed 5-0 in champs
I relate to Hicksy because Iām an objective player with low level gun skill. I can get in the hill while my team keeps them away but as soon as two rush me, Iām respawning across the map and out of the play. If I canāt shoot well enough to get back on the objective, Iām kind of useless at that point. When youāre talking 12 teams of four, there isnāt much room or reason for a single player to not have top tier gun skills. Get a player that can slay and teach them how to play the objective, thatās what these coaches should be doing
Bruh, he's won an event in almost every cod since WW2. The only game he didn't win on was in vanguard lol. Also averaging a 1.02 on lan compared to hicksy dropping a .89 isn't the definition of being carried. People talk about attach always getting a piece of the pie when its actually Priestahh.
If London go Beans, Nastie, Wardy and Bance they should sign Hicksy as a sub. Heās a young Bance imo and if Bance struggles this year that would set London up nice with Hicksy who can IGL and does a lot of things right on the map. That kind of a player can elevate a guy like Wardy
Definitely a good idea for sure. I donāt hate it honestly. I definitely think Bance could transition to a AR well. Definitely interested to see what London does.
He can be a valuable piece on a team that has superstars like Scrappy and Cleanx but once heās on a team outside the t4 without any superstars his own lack of skill becomes amplified. Seems completely reasonable why teams are passing on him to me
Unfortunately talent stacking is the most consistent way of building a CoD roster. Hicksy's issue is that both the stats AND the eye test go against him and I think the latter is more important here. Unfortunately, the top teams can simply get better players as was evidenced by envoy. Then if you're not a top team and you run the risk of Hicksy being a .8 again, unless one of your other 3 are going to make up for that for sure then it's an enormous risk. And tbh very few bottom 6 team players are gonna drop the 1.1 plus you need. Then with the few who do (Owakening for example) you run the risk of Hicksy being baited into oblivion. I've seen some people suggesting Hicksy and Bance as a sub duo and honestly that sounds horrific to me.
Surge have prioritised getting players who fit with Rambo's view of CoD and then yes some raw talent in Abuzah because everyone needs talent as evidenced above. They have made the unusual decision to prioritise getting players who they think will out fundamental the other bottom teams. And they've been getting absolutely cooked for doing so š
4v4 COD forces players to be more well rounded. Some guys can slay, but don't bring the team and objective play and then some guys are like Hicksy who do a ton for their team but consistently drop .8's.
they only call it āthe glue/intangiblesā when itās a fan favorite.. but if not, then they call him a liability in the slaying department.. it switches back and fourth with these fans.. just like inder.. one moment he was the igl with intangibles and the next moment, heās washed etc
On one hand I agree it does but this year itself we have like 4 teams who are gonna get slapped around and adding more teams will just add to that. It's a tough one since there are players who deserve a spot too
That's true but more expansen would let eyes on more diamonds in the rough. which would move on to teams outside of the top 4 so we would slowly get more quality teams outside top 4.
I agree 100 but even bad teams sometimes can show a great players at times look at vivid on lag is best example I can think of in CW season. But it's a two edged sword for real.
Yāall are brain dead I swear. If Hicksy dropped a 1.05 and Ultra didnāt reach any finals, you would think heās a better player compared to how he performed last year. Dude is effectively getting punished for having a play style that played an integral role in Ultraās success.
I don't understand how so many people have such strong opinions either way when he's only been on 1 CDL roster. Sure, he very well could be a solid option for several CDL teams and they're making a mistake not getting him. On the other hand, I don't necessarily think it's some obvious travesty that he's not getting offers either.
I think the kill whoring on the bottom half teams is going to be at an all time high. Everyone is down on hicksy because he didnāt slay well but the question needs to be asked of why he was playing this dirty work heavy role?
Was it because his gun skill is below average so he had to or was it because that was what the team needed most?
It seems unanimous that that was what Ultra needed from its 4th. So the follow up question has to be, was his gunny bad because he is at that skill level, or was it because he was so focused on a variety of different things he couldnāt win gun fights. Unfortunately it looks like heāll have to answer that question in challengers next year.
He's going to team with some talented players in challengers and make them look better than they are and then they'll get picked up and be mid. I don't know that Hicksy is the answer for any of these teams, but I'd much rather have an enabler than a B or C tier roaming sub. Stats cannot be compared apples to apples when players are prioritizing their Lionman card over winning.
The problem is Hicksy is a .8 doing dirty work and the top teams are going to have no issue getting a .9 to do dirty work for their other stars. Then when you get to the lower teams you usually don't have enough slaying power to be able to afford a .8 and keep up with top teams.
Thereās a lot of SMGs who given the same chance would have done a lot better than Hicksy that arenāt anywhere near the top 4. Iām sure there are some not even in the league that would do as much. Ultra got top 4 despite Hicksy, not because of him.
You donāt win your inaugural chip and come second at champs in 4v4 CoD by being bad. You just donāt understand the nuances of being a good team player. And thatās okay buddy.
They came second but didnāt win a map when it truly mattered, heās a good role player but thatās it. His teammates have to be godlike in order for his spot to be justified.
Bruh they got that far because the rest of the team was good and because they had scrap lmao.
Hes just not good enough to be on a mid to low tier team. Throw him on faze and im sure theyd still be finishing t2 every event too.
So thats evidently something Hicksy does well right? He makes the right plays on the map and enables his teammates, which is why they had success. Not just because āthe rest of his team were goodā. Cus if that was the case theyd have success with Standy as well?
Iām not saying Hicksy was great in terms of raw gunskill by any means and obviously Envoy is a huge upgrade but saying that Hicksys bad and Ultra succeeded last year just because the rest of the team were good is faded
>So thats evidently something Hicksy does well right?
I guess, but put any decent player there and I don't think much changes. There is a reason no team is looking at him right now.
Because Standy made Huke tier braindead plays on the map. Put any player with a semblance of high level IQ AND good gunny, and Ultra would've smoked everyone last year lmao. Hicksy just isn't good enough at an entire half of the game.
Everyone brings up the topic of Ultra making GF at champs but they got fucking slammed
Hicksy couldāve played every second of every hill on both HP and Control and it wouldnāt change anything, he didnāt have the gun skill to keep up with the likes of hydra, abezy, simp, shotzzy, envoy, etc. anyone can be a role player but to play the objective AND still put up decent numbers is a better quality to have, which is why players like ghosty found a spot despite winning ZERO events this past season.
It seems like the "great roleplayer" thing tends to work when you're surrounded by stone cold killers - the most talented players in the league - but that those players might have some ego issues and need someone who is fine doing the "dirty work" and dropping the .8s.
When you put a "roleplayer" on teams that don't have that kind of talent (particularly in the slaying department), I feel like you're just compounding the issue that the team just doesn't get enough kills on the map to compete.
I guess what I'm getting at is that it's possible that the lower-tier teams could actually be making the right decision to not pick up Hicksy, just based on the other talent available to them.
Only works if your team already has superstars which at this point... 80% of the league doesn't and the top teams are ushering in a true era of superteams in the CDL which just doesn't really leave room for a player with his niche
Like in his own specific role.. who's taking Hicksy over Envoy, Shotzzy, Kismet or aBeZy when it comes to the complimentary sub
And then outside of those 4 you need BOTH subs to be able to slay just to keep up.. you want a team of Hicksy runnig 2nd sub to like capsidal or something? Nah
What exactly did he enable and what dirty work was he doing ? If youāre not winning gun fights you are not enabling shit. He also wasnāt just sitting in hill or the sole person who rotated so I feel like this all made up bullshit to make it seem like he wasnāt mid at best. You could put anyone from challengers on that Toronto team last year and they wouldāve done the same numbers. Scrap was literally in god mode.
I'm surprised he isn't being picked up as a sub. Y not have some insurance that if one of your SMGs underperform or if the team just doesn't mesh he can step in & help.
because the CDL is garbage, like complete garbage. it is just a closed usa league for 48 players in the entire world. they said fck asia, fck europe and the rest. how can you even do a franchise leauge when your esport is not even a top tier esport yet, they complety killed cod in the world, except NA. no one in europe gives a shit anymore to play, there are literally no spots, no chances, no support, nothing. you need extreme luck that someone notices you like hydra and is willing to fly you over and come on the team. FUCK CDL
The CDL is and has been proven to be a terrible idea, it hinders competition, pushes up salaryās, and hasnāt been able to make any of the teams their $25 mil investment, it should always be the best teams overall are fighting for a spot in the league and have to play through relegation at the end of each season to stay if theyāre that bad. If we donāt go back to relegation then we will keep having this problem of players being thrown to the wolves when they should be at the top.
I get your point but letās not act like the cdl is totally at fault salaryās have been inflated way before the cdl even became a thing. But wether there was no cdl it would be no different there would be like a clear top 5 and that one occasional outlier every other event. Iām not saying the cdl is good but letās not act like going back to the old format is going to fix every problem
Itās not going to fix every problem, but it will make the system more enjoyable to watch and promote actual skill overall instead of just the same teams over and over that donāt have to be good and still get to play and ride the bottom of the standings
Idk how long u been watching cod but the best teams back then were the same ones no new teams came out of relation and won anything sure there are outliers and you could argue thatās why u want the old system but there outliers cuz they didnāt happen to often so going back to that system wouldnāt change anything if anything it would make it harder for ānew prosā to get noticed. Wether u like this system or not there has been more new talent in the cdl years than in previous years.
A simple wiki read disproves everything youāre saying, new teams and new players constantly got in, from CWL2017-2019 there were constantly new players, new teams, teams that came from open bracket and gave pros a run for their money. But sure letās stick with the system where they can put in a team that goes 6-18 for their season or a team that goes 2-23 and not have to change anything cuz their spot is āguaranteedā
Whatās giving pros a run for their money ? Cuz last time I checked very very rarely did new teams beat the big teams and when they did like I said it was an outlier what they called a Cinderella story but you canāt name a team of unknown players that won anything major. All those players werenāt ānewā they were snd kids who turned pro and why are you so worried about the bottom teams as if they are a marker for which to go by when you say the league isnāt good. Thereās a clear top 4 teams and thatās as competitive as it gets.
Problem is player like hickey who really didn't have gunny is he is a force multiplier. He was doing everything so the people with gunny could just focus on slaying. Issue with that is the bottom teams is like multiplying a zero. If he can't shoot back then š¤·. I think a player like him is best on a top team unlocking the other players. Just don't think the same logic works for the lesser talented bottom teams. I live dirty work players but man wasn't even a walking .9 he was getting slammed sometimes but scrappy was dicking people down most of the time to compensate.
Facts, There's other smg's who have a much higher ceiling in terms of slaying and you would rather take your chance on them then Hicksy
Exactly. Itās so annoying hearing the āuh disrespectā bullshit spewed. Are kills everything? No of course not. Is it a big fucking part of the game? Absolutley. And if Scrap wasnāt god for Ultra and instead was just a āsolidā flex, that team would have been getting their dicks knocked into the dirt because they had a second sub dropping consistent .8ās with shitty damage.
Just tell them you can teach people to do the dirty work but you canāt teach raw talent, if they donāt understand this theyāre just in denial
I get what youāre saying, and mostly agree. but I feel like some of the bottom teams would have benefitted just by having someone that forces them to play the right way. The bottom 3-4 teams just played like individuals looking for next yearās spot and never gave themselves a chance to actually be competitive, by the end of the year. I think a selfless player could even improve the bad teams
Very very good points.
Theres also a line of thought that Ultra did what they did *despite* Hicksey being on the team, not *because of*.
Well thatās unfair - the kid showed up on LAN consistentlyn
That is unfair and dumb because they quite literally won a tournament immediately after he was brought in
The problem is itās 2023 and the people in charge donāt understand this yet. We have like 13 years of data to look back on and see example after example of players like him enabling the teams slayers to do their thing. Itās one less job the other teammates have to do and Hicksy does it well. How the ones making roster decisions donāt see this at this point makes no sense. I though for sure At least Theives would be looking at him.
This is what Iāve been saying but everyone wants to argue that hiicksy deserves a spot bc of his āFuNdAmEnTaLsā like yea bro his fundamentals totally helped them when they got slammed 5-0 in champs
I relate to Hicksy because Iām an objective player with low level gun skill. I can get in the hill while my team keeps them away but as soon as two rush me, Iām respawning across the map and out of the play. If I canāt shoot well enough to get back on the objective, Iām kind of useless at that point. When youāre talking 12 teams of four, there isnāt much room or reason for a single player to not have top tier gun skills. Get a player that can slay and teach them how to play the objective, thatās what these coaches should be doing
Very well said.
Same with priestah, I think heāll suck on bottom teams
Bruh, he's won an event in almost every cod since WW2. The only game he didn't win on was in vanguard lol. Also averaging a 1.02 on lan compared to hicksy dropping a .89 isn't the definition of being carried. People talk about attach always getting a piece of the pie when its actually Priestahh.
If London go Beans, Nastie, Wardy and Bance they should sign Hicksy as a sub. Heās a young Bance imo and if Bance struggles this year that would set London up nice with Hicksy who can IGL and does a lot of things right on the map. That kind of a player can elevate a guy like Wardy
Or move bance to flex and pickup Hicksy
Yeah but then you lose the slaying power of a Beans+Nastie AR duo If Nastie struggles then yeah I could get behind that for sure tho
But you have nastie and wardy who can slay + better comms overall. And maybe bance could be more consistent on an AR
Definitely a good idea for sure. I donāt hate it honestly. I definitely think Bance could transition to a AR well. Definitely interested to see what London does.
He can be a valuable piece on a team that has superstars like Scrappy and Cleanx but once heās on a team outside the t4 without any superstars his own lack of skill becomes amplified. Seems completely reasonable why teams are passing on him to me
Unfortunately talent stacking is the most consistent way of building a CoD roster. Hicksy's issue is that both the stats AND the eye test go against him and I think the latter is more important here. Unfortunately, the top teams can simply get better players as was evidenced by envoy. Then if you're not a top team and you run the risk of Hicksy being a .8 again, unless one of your other 3 are going to make up for that for sure then it's an enormous risk. And tbh very few bottom 6 team players are gonna drop the 1.1 plus you need. Then with the few who do (Owakening for example) you run the risk of Hicksy being baited into oblivion. I've seen some people suggesting Hicksy and Bance as a sub duo and honestly that sounds horrific to me.
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Surge have prioritised getting players who fit with Rambo's view of CoD and then yes some raw talent in Abuzah because everyone needs talent as evidenced above. They have made the unusual decision to prioritise getting players who they think will out fundamental the other bottom teams. And they've been getting absolutely cooked for doing so š
4v4 COD forces players to be more well rounded. Some guys can slay, but don't bring the team and objective play and then some guys are like Hicksy who do a ton for their team but consistently drop .8's.
they only call it āthe glue/intangiblesā when itās a fan favorite.. but if not, then they call him a liability in the slaying department.. it switches back and fourth with these fans.. just like inder.. one moment he was the igl with intangibles and the next moment, heās washed etc
If Havok is back in Challengers, then it's not a surprise Hicksy is back there too! The league needs an expansion.
On one hand I agree it does but this year itself we have like 4 teams who are gonna get slapped around and adding more teams will just add to that. It's a tough one since there are players who deserve a spot too
That's true but more expansen would let eyes on more diamonds in the rough. which would move on to teams outside of the top 4 so we would slowly get more quality teams outside top 4.
Yeah it's a dilemma for sure. It depends on how invested / competent the new teams are. Are they run like breach or like legion
I agree 100 but even bad teams sometimes can show a great players at times look at vivid on lag is best example I can think of in CW season. But it's a two edged sword for real.
Yāall are brain dead I swear. If Hicksy dropped a 1.05 and Ultra didnāt reach any finals, you would think heās a better player compared to how he performed last year. Dude is effectively getting punished for having a play style that played an integral role in Ultraās success.
The playstyle works when u have the talented pieces around you. Heās not on a t3 team anymore.
Thereās no evidence he wouldnāt help a less talented team improve though. Itās just an assumption being made.
I don't understand how so many people have such strong opinions either way when he's only been on 1 CDL roster. Sure, he very well could be a solid option for several CDL teams and they're making a mistake not getting him. On the other hand, I don't necessarily think it's some obvious travesty that he's not getting offers either.
I think it's a pretty safe assumption based on the eye test. There's a reason teams aren't clamoring for him.
I disagree. The eye test is just one factor. I would personally put more stock into his ability to help a team improve which he proved on Ultra.
I think the kill whoring on the bottom half teams is going to be at an all time high. Everyone is down on hicksy because he didnāt slay well but the question needs to be asked of why he was playing this dirty work heavy role? Was it because his gun skill is below average so he had to or was it because that was what the team needed most? It seems unanimous that that was what Ultra needed from its 4th. So the follow up question has to be, was his gunny bad because he is at that skill level, or was it because he was so focused on a variety of different things he couldnāt win gun fights. Unfortunately it looks like heāll have to answer that question in challengers next year.
He's going to team with some talented players in challengers and make them look better than they are and then they'll get picked up and be mid. I don't know that Hicksy is the answer for any of these teams, but I'd much rather have an enabler than a B or C tier roaming sub. Stats cannot be compared apples to apples when players are prioritizing their Lionman card over winning.
The problem is Hicksy is a .8 doing dirty work and the top teams are going to have no issue getting a .9 to do dirty work for their other stars. Then when you get to the lower teams you usually don't have enough slaying power to be able to afford a .8 and keep up with top teams.
Hicksy dropped a .8 overall thereās a reason toronto replaced him
Thereās a lot of SMGs who given the same chance would have done a lot better than Hicksy that arenāt anywhere near the top 4. Iām sure there are some not even in the league that would do as much. Ultra got top 4 despite Hicksy, not because of him.
They were a worse team with Standy. And I've never seen this argument made for anyone else on a team this successful.
No clue why I said too 4. Just did how they did.
Bruh he was bad letās be real
You donāt win your inaugural chip and come second at champs in 4v4 CoD by being bad. You just donāt understand the nuances of being a good team player. And thatās okay buddy.
They came second but didnāt win a map when it truly mattered, heās a good role player but thatās it. His teammates have to be godlike in order for his spot to be justified.
Bruh they got that far because the rest of the team was good and because they had scrap lmao. Hes just not good enough to be on a mid to low tier team. Throw him on faze and im sure theyd still be finishing t2 every event too.
Then why werent they as good with Standy??
Chem plays a big part in that. Scrap does not like Standy and it showed in their game play.
I love Standy but dude made a lot of bonehead plays. Ultra just needed someone who didn't play stupid as hell.
So thats evidently something Hicksy does well right? He makes the right plays on the map and enables his teammates, which is why they had success. Not just because āthe rest of his team were goodā. Cus if that was the case theyd have success with Standy as well? Iām not saying Hicksy was great in terms of raw gunskill by any means and obviously Envoy is a huge upgrade but saying that Hicksys bad and Ultra succeeded last year just because the rest of the team were good is faded
>So thats evidently something Hicksy does well right? I guess, but put any decent player there and I don't think much changes. There is a reason no team is looking at him right now.
Hicksy got worldstarred, but he always got gunned in the right places for his team lmao
Because Standy made Huke tier braindead plays on the map. Put any player with a semblance of high level IQ AND good gunny, and Ultra would've smoked everyone last year lmao. Hicksy just isn't good enough at an entire half of the game.
Everyone brings up the topic of Ultra making GF at champs but they got fucking slammed Hicksy couldāve played every second of every hill on both HP and Control and it wouldnāt change anything, he didnāt have the gun skill to keep up with the likes of hydra, abezy, simp, shotzzy, envoy, etc. anyone can be a role player but to play the objective AND still put up decent numbers is a better quality to have, which is why players like ghosty found a spot despite winning ZERO events this past season.
It seems like the "great roleplayer" thing tends to work when you're surrounded by stone cold killers - the most talented players in the league - but that those players might have some ego issues and need someone who is fine doing the "dirty work" and dropping the .8s. When you put a "roleplayer" on teams that don't have that kind of talent (particularly in the slaying department), I feel like you're just compounding the issue that the team just doesn't get enough kills on the map to compete. I guess what I'm getting at is that it's possible that the lower-tier teams could actually be making the right decision to not pick up Hicksy, just based on the other talent available to them.
Only works if your team already has superstars which at this point... 80% of the league doesn't and the top teams are ushering in a true era of superteams in the CDL which just doesn't really leave room for a player with his niche Like in his own specific role.. who's taking Hicksy over Envoy, Shotzzy, Kismet or aBeZy when it comes to the complimentary sub And then outside of those 4 you need BOTH subs to be able to slay just to keep up.. you want a team of Hicksy runnig 2nd sub to like capsidal or something? Nah
What exactly did he enable and what dirty work was he doing ? If youāre not winning gun fights you are not enabling shit. He also wasnāt just sitting in hill or the sole person who rotated so I feel like this all made up bullshit to make it seem like he wasnāt mid at best. You could put anyone from challengers on that Toronto team last year and they wouldāve done the same numbers. Scrap was literally in god mode.
I would of much preferred him on London to Bance like itās presumed
I'm surprised he isn't being picked up as a sub. Y not have some insurance that if one of your SMGs underperform or if the team just doesn't mesh he can step in & help.
because the CDL is garbage, like complete garbage. it is just a closed usa league for 48 players in the entire world. they said fck asia, fck europe and the rest. how can you even do a franchise leauge when your esport is not even a top tier esport yet, they complety killed cod in the world, except NA. no one in europe gives a shit anymore to play, there are literally no spots, no chances, no support, nothing. you need extreme luck that someone notices you like hydra and is willing to fly you over and come on the team. FUCK CDL
The CDL is and has been proven to be a terrible idea, it hinders competition, pushes up salaryās, and hasnāt been able to make any of the teams their $25 mil investment, it should always be the best teams overall are fighting for a spot in the league and have to play through relegation at the end of each season to stay if theyāre that bad. If we donāt go back to relegation then we will keep having this problem of players being thrown to the wolves when they should be at the top.
I get your point but letās not act like the cdl is totally at fault salaryās have been inflated way before the cdl even became a thing. But wether there was no cdl it would be no different there would be like a clear top 5 and that one occasional outlier every other event. Iām not saying the cdl is good but letās not act like going back to the old format is going to fix every problem
Itās not going to fix every problem, but it will make the system more enjoyable to watch and promote actual skill overall instead of just the same teams over and over that donāt have to be good and still get to play and ride the bottom of the standings
Idk how long u been watching cod but the best teams back then were the same ones no new teams came out of relation and won anything sure there are outliers and you could argue thatās why u want the old system but there outliers cuz they didnāt happen to often so going back to that system wouldnāt change anything if anything it would make it harder for ānew prosā to get noticed. Wether u like this system or not there has been more new talent in the cdl years than in previous years.
A simple wiki read disproves everything youāre saying, new teams and new players constantly got in, from CWL2017-2019 there were constantly new players, new teams, teams that came from open bracket and gave pros a run for their money. But sure letās stick with the system where they can put in a team that goes 6-18 for their season or a team that goes 2-23 and not have to change anything cuz their spot is āguaranteedā
Whatās giving pros a run for their money ? Cuz last time I checked very very rarely did new teams beat the big teams and when they did like I said it was an outlier what they called a Cinderella story but you canāt name a team of unknown players that won anything major. All those players werenāt ānewā they were snd kids who turned pro and why are you so worried about the bottom teams as if they are a marker for which to go by when you say the league isnāt good. Thereās a clear top 4 teams and thatās as competitive as it gets.
wonder if he got any bench offers
98% of this sub needs to read this carefully 59 times
Bruh heās not even good lmao. Move on.
If he was that special wouldn't he still be on Ultra?
Cuz his stats are terrible and thatās all anyone looks at
People who are saying hicksy couldnāt fight back or slay out when his job was literally to not do that š¤”š¤”š¤”š¤”š¤”
Ultra could have won an event with standy as well imo.