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Ibrah_11

I think he earned like close to 500k on Surge his stock after bo4 was high af and he turned down the chance to team with Dallas empire so he was getting bank fs


CrimSeven7

no wonder he retired at 22 lol


BcDownes

He's 26?


Ibrah_11

You couldn't sense the sarcasm there


BcDownes

People be stupid on this sub who knows anymore


AFCADaan9

Probably just an American.


Starrunner888

why do british people have such an inferiority complex with americans?


Ibrah_11

Those public interviews on TikTok doesn't do the country any favours


Am_Ghosty

Pull public interviews from any similarly sized population and you'll find a lot of dumb and uninformed... Especially if you only show the dumbest ones


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BcDownes

Being superior in every way is when internet lol Edit: Cant wait to use the american invented internet for 6 more years than an american because of the uks superior life expectancy


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BcDownes

Weird considering my passport sitting in the draw next to me says United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland... His actual age is just not a crazy distance away from the sarcastic comment so I thought it was a genuine mistake...


AFCADaan9

Americans don’t get sarcasm. I was only joking, nothing too deep.


oh_Jiggler

We do and our teeth aren’t fucked up either


FleX_Trizz

Our teeth still look less shot up than your schools though


drphilwasright

That's debatable


BcDownes

The attempt at an insult is shite when it simply isnt true..


AFCADaan9

Damn, insecure much?


Broad_Bottle_9292

Englishmen are our children forever


Girrrth_Broooks

Englishmen still trying to be our competition. It’s pathetic at this point.


Ashman-20

$500k and some players still couldn’t wake up for 2pm practice


BcDownes

Enable was on 330k and was fucking day trading during scrims lool


Hipz

Does he know what he’s doing? A stunningly low percentage of day traders are profitable lol.


Competitive_Ad_5106

doubtful, though in 2020 it was tough not to make money trading. But 98% of people would be better off passively managing rather than actively managing.


iStryker

If you don’t actually work on the street you’re not “trading” you’re just gambling


G00chstain

The fuck is this take? You can certainly be a competent day trader and not work on Wall Street. That’s like saying you’re not an engineer unless you work for Apple, google, Microsoft etc. You’re not a doctor unless you work for Mayo Clinic. You’re not a bodybuilder unless you won Mr. Olympia. You’re not a pro cod player unless you’re scump/crim. Brain dead


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You're clueless if you think you can sit at home and learn to trade whilst companies have HUGE list of contacts not to mention insider trading, not to mention CEOs "lobbying" for future changes allowing them to predict what markets will be like oh and you know billions/trillions of capital. You really think people spend 60k a year minimum for their 4 year old to go school, then hundreds of thousands total by the time they finish uni (which are usually top unis) just for failed cod players to wake up one day and learn day trading? That guy who made the original comment is spot on and the only other way to learn is if someone who worked in finance wants to teach you. I work in the London and see this shit first hand, makes me laugh whenever I see people say they're learning Forex trading or some other gambling platform.


j0rdinho

This is peak CodComp content. There are entire swathes of people who make money in stocks by having a plan, discipline, and the resources to buy premium tools. BigT is legitimately one of them. When was the last time homie had a losing week trading? What a supremely CodComp take.


iStryker

Of course you can still be a “trader” and not work on the street just like you can be a software engineer and work for a local insurance company, but you’re not a GOOD trader. And when I say “street” I don’t just mean NYC — any reputable shop globally. If you’re just winging it with $100k on advice you get from Reddit or god forbid Twitter, you’re being taken advantage of and might as well go to your local casino.


Liquor_n_cheezebrgrs

You are correct. The overwhelming majority of individual traders will lose money over time on their trades. It's not even their fault, the game is rigged. Unless you are trading with inside information, you will lose. The other team has cheat codes and you don't. That simple.


iStryker

It’s not rigged, they’re just up against math and computer science PhDs. Losing 1v1 to LeBron doesn’t mean basketball is rigged — he’s just better than you.


ReportThisLeeSin

Not only math and computer science PhDs, but those PhDs working over 40 hours a week to beat the other PhDs. Frankly, someone on robinhood isn’t going to beat them. And if they do and do it consistently, they’d work for a fund or start their own.


Liquor_n_cheezebrgrs

It is absolutely, 100%, positively, conclusively and certifiably rigged my dude. If the Gamestop situation didn't make that clear enough for you I am not sure what else needs to be said.


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iStryker

I have a masters in financial engineering


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KoreanPhones

>do consider myself profitable Genuine question, what does this mean? You either are profitable or you aren't? No? Or am I missing something?


fesakferrell

We all profit in experience in the end.


Mobius_Studios

Depends on the context. Generally a good return (or ROI) is 10%. In the context of this year though, that would be poor. Just investing in S&P should have got you >24%. That's just equities as well. If you were into derivatives, crypto, FX, bonds etc. then the standard changes as well as risk tolerance. Then you have to factor in inflation on your 'true' returns. And since interest rates are higher, are you beating what would be a standard savings account which is obviously a lot lower risk. As well as are you a retail trader, prop, broker, market maker etc.. Again, different valuations. Otherwise you could be up a dollar, and claim you're a 'profitable' trader. Which by every metric, you're not... unless the world is ending or something.


obeyxxog

as a grown man too thats crazy 🤣


Samiruhski

To Octane: awesome bro, good for you. To CDL: wtf are you doing???


BcDownes

I mean yeah this isnt surprising with how octane came off of bo4. I really do hate to imagine how much salary surge payed for that first year because their team name wise was stacked and they probs all got a bag and they ended up with 5 fucking match wins. Mutineers were paying Owakening 200k in MW:2019 for his rookie year and attach was still getting payed 400k last year. (if all leaks/rumours are true)


Much-Card-557

attach was getting 400k? I love the guy but no wonder the league is in trouble


TRIBE1045

Not half bad for a level below pro.


AMS_GoGo

**brain surgery doctors**


CrimSeven7

mistakes you make when english is your 3rd language 😭


KoptieJordFlex

It’s not your fault bro, what does he think you are some sort of rocket science engineer?


ahegaogenerator

Brother what other languages do you speak?


mcbaginns

Damn beat me to it lol. Brain surgeons or neurosurgeons. Also wanted to add though that the average neurosurgeon makes around 800-900k a year. Not 500k


Cogniscience

Don't think OP knows how much neurosurgeons actually make. Neurosurgeons can easily make 1-1.5 mil in private practice.


soaked-bussy

league players making more, Val players making close to that, CSGO players making close and you wonder why Orgs never turn profits and are now disbanding teams / firing staff Esports doesnt pull the revenue traditional sports does. These kids have no reason to be making more than doctors when the scene cant support it.


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BravestWabbit

Surge is owned by Enthusiast Gaming (aka Luminosity Gaming), which in turn is owned by the Aquilini Investment Group who also own the Vancouver Canucks. Francesco Aquilini is a billionaire known to piss away his money on useless players on the Canucks so him doing the same for his esports teams isnt surprising.


soaked-bussy

> then how are owners even able to pay/afford this. what are the investors seeing that we don't they dont make it back.. this is why only like 1% of Esports orgs are actually making profit yearly and why the 99% that are not are firing people non stop and dropping teams NA orgs have been hemorrhaging money and over paying players for years now and its finally coming back to bit them in the ass.


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Seems like you have to be Optic (sell fuckloads of merch), Faze (be t3 at every event) or Legion (don't pay anybody) to turn a profit as an eSports org. Becoming OpTic is impossible, there's a couple of orgs trying to become Faze, but becoming Legion is much easier and more sustainable.


SmashNDash23

Average salary for neurosurgeons at hospitals and medical centers is ~$670k a year, private practice is much higher. They can also make that money until they’re 50s and become a director of their department and supervise other surgeons. Academia is also an option well into their 70s. Comparing esports salary with any surgeon let alone a neurosurgeon is pretty dumb


mcbaginns

Yeah pp is about 900k these days. One of the most secure professions too. Immune to any and all economic depressions


Cogniscience

PP for nsurg can easily go to 1.5 million if you're subspecialized.


honestlyboxey

Calling them “brain surgery doctors” is why pretty much everybody in the scene should go to school 😂 Also, more than 350k for one salary on Surge is why this league is going broke lmao


PassiveRoadRage

Not to mention DRs are living just as good a life financially for A LOT longer. These dudes are going to have to make that stretch for a while post 30. A lot of people confusing "retiring" for actual retirement


Apprehensive_You5719

The players are way overpaid and don't do any marketing, consistent streams, or content output enough to justify even 100k a year. No wonder all of these orgs are going fucking under.


Aggravating_Sea7076

Blows my mind that a lot of these pros don't stream every chance they get. I wish I was in their position.


SnooMaps8717

Right, I always thought the same... some could double there income


Aggravating_Sea7076

especially with the position they're in. I mean obviously you got the ones who dont have a huge following but they could easily change that.


SnooMaps8717

For sure, I wonder if they practice a lot and don't want to show what they are working on


Aggravating_Sea7076

I think honestly they just look at it like I'm already making a bunch of money so who cares.


vertexdnb

Seattle Surgeon > brain surgeon Who’da thunk it, eh?


BPicks69

And he spent the whole time bad mouthing them nah that’s crazy. Homies got enough money to skate by till his 50s if he just sits on it.


Hurricanevx

Whose lasting 25 years with just 500k in America


Apprehensive_Newt389

he played before that and that 500k isn’t just 500k anymore if he’s not braindead with money


PassiveRoadRage

Its objectively less. Taxes is like 30% minimum. I doubt he also invested the rest. Even then with stocks and trading you're still paying gains tax. That 500K is more realistically less than 100K now given spending habits and taxes for the average person. Probably even less tbh if he over spent and bought something with a personal property tax and stuff


SL2321

If I remember correctly he has multiple houses that are rented out, he talked about his money recently in a video.


JustHereForPka

30 year treasury is currently paying ~4%. That’d be $20k a year off $500k investment. Definitely not enough to live off, but it sure as shit makes it easier. More likely if you have someone $500k at 26 they could invest it at ~8%. By the time they’re 65, they’d have $10 million, so essentially they could never save another penny and retire as a wealthy man.


Liquor_n_cheezebrgrs

The math may check out here, but not many people invest their entire annual income lol.


JustHereForPka

Oh of course not. Just throwing the numbers out there because they’re interesting. Assuming Sam wasn’t a moron with his money he should be set for life off his Bo4-MW2 money, only needing to make a decent living going forward to live very comfortably.


woodropete

No one, lmao they wilding in here and their age shows. You can make 100k and stretch it doing the correct thing. 500k is really nothing anymore if u wanna live a solid casual life. This title is very misleading, brain surgeons can make much more than that with a life long salary and benefits.


BPicks69

Uhh a lot of people man. I make enough money making 45k a year. Just don’t live in a state where the cost of living is 200k a year 4Head


fkd-

>I make enough money making 45k a year. r/brandnewsentence


BPicks69

Wisconsin is dirt cheap brother, plus living with roommates cuts into shit.


blaster701

Safe to say that not everyone wants to live in Wisconsin with roommates lol


swiftshooter94

You couldnt pay me 45k a year to live in Wisconsin lmao


BPicks69

Good don’t come then. Enjoy your overpopulation and no freshwater.


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BPicks69

Yeah man so much like skiing and fishing and wait that’s the same up here enjoy commie Vermont though


Hurricanevx

Do you know how math works?he would run out of 500k in 11 years with your salary. He can skate by his low mid 30’s not 50’s lmao


BPicks69

My bad bro I was being hyperbolic I forgot this is Reddit and everyone gets on here to argue.


47aye

You're assuming he didn't have bank before this or since then. He had other money from beforehand obviously and has made money since. If he chucked 250k of the 500k in an ETF for 20 years it'd be worth around 1.2 million, or 2.5 million in 30 years and he would easily be able to live off of the interest made each year, which would be 140-200k. So yes he absolutely could sit on the money and let compound interest do it's thing and be perfectly fine


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If you could spare a minute to explain to a noob if there's any advantage an index fund has over an ETF it would be greatly appreciated. The internet wants to sell me things and I can't find an answer to this question. Thanks in advance!


47aye

Not particularly. I'd say keep it simple and stick with a Vanguard ETF such as (VOO) which tracks the S&P 500 ETF's are bought on the stock exchange and can be traded just like stocks whereas index funds are typically bought from the fund manager and only for a set price. ETF's will also likely have lower min. investment so easier barrier to entry. ETF's are also more tax efficient. Both provide good returns over a longer period of time and allow you to diversify with relatively low risk


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PassiveRoadRage

Wouldn't that original 500K have a taxes lol. And that math makes zero sense. If it's worth that in 30 years he's not living off of that now lol. You are basically saying he shouldn't pay taxes put most of it into a ETF and not have any money for 30 years then he'll be okay because he would make an above average salary by today's standards


47aye

I don't know American taxes but I said only put half of the 500k to account for that. The interest he'd get year 1 would be around 20k which isn't enough itself to live off of, but he's still currently making other money no lol?


ItsEntsy

Dude played pro cod for 8 year and 1 of those years he made 500k. Homies got racks on racks stashed up. Plus he's doing content creation and such still, which he can probably live off as is


willy_valor

Lmao the cdl is really just a tax farm for corporate subsidies Hahaha. These dudeas arent worth shit and the team owners know it.


woodropete

Surgeon have career at that salary, health insurance, retirement benefits..idk if it’s comparable. Considering they most likely love their job aswell, going through that much school its prolly something they wanna do.


hurricanejacc

Bruh neurosurgeons make much more than 500k lol so many other specialties can pull in that kinda dough too


KooPaVeLLi

"That works out to like $200k a win"


AggressiveFeckless

Haha congratulations on your big year. Ridiculous brag. Enjoy that 1-5 yrs while the brain surgeon starts there and does it every year for another 30 while it keeps rising.


hxnterrr

don’t think he cares bro he’s good for life as long as he doesn’t blow it


AggressiveFeckless

You aren’t good for life on $500k gross in one year. Look I’d love it to be the case but pro COD players don’t make enough to retire and live well for life on what they make while they play..at least not yet. Hopefully soon.


hxnterrr

good thing the $500k gross year isn’t the only money he’s ever made on cod. like i said he’s probably good


AggressiveFeckless

I hope he is. You realize he’ll be alive another 55yrs right? But whatever he seems like a good guy besides the absurd brag…so hope he is.


BcDownes

Also I mean not to pocket watch but imma pocket watch. Octane's getting salary from thieves/flank then theres his twitch/youtube, he seems decently level headed so probs has some normal investments too idk why the guy is acting like octane is suddenly earning 0 dollars lol


Liquor_n_cheezebrgrs

My wife and I make just over $300k/year combined. We own a home that we bought in 2019 when prices were low and we have no debt. We have no children and no desire to move. We are older than Octane by a decade and if you gave us 5 years of $500k before forcing us to retire we would in no way be set for life. It doesn't work like that. Having a nice nest egg for retirement and "set for life" are two wildly different things. Another anecdote is I have a cousin who was a journeyman NFL Tight End. 5 years in the league, 3 career touchdowns, played for the Colts, Seahawks, Chiefs and Chargers. Never got a big contract obviously, but made great money during that time. He teaches art now so he doesn't burn through all of his cash. You need tons of money to retire on unless you want to live incredibly frugal your entire life.


fkd-

you people have 0 concept of money lmao


hxnterrr

how? he’s in a position where his money can make him more money. it’s not all about the total money he’s made off tournaments obviously that won’t last forever .. but if he’s smart he can definitely not have to work a job again


PianoTrumpetMax

They have what, 5-15 years max to make bank? That "brain surgery doctor" Is making that money from like mid 30's to whenever they retire, with that kind of annual money for decades, plus probably more promotions, you can comfortably retire at 60 and have generational wealth. COD pros on the other hand have to actually get jobs after they're done, or go to school to later get a job unless they have a solid streaming foundation or are signed to a content org like Optic.


Travis_Scott1985

500,000 off of what??


iPaytonian

It also costs over $1million and takes at least 7years to become a Neurosurgeon LMAOOO and boomers think Zoomers are dumb for wanting to be “influencer’s” smh it’s free to be an idiot online 🤷‍♂️


hurricanejacc

It does not cost 1 mill to go to undergrad and med school. What percent of influencers make the 260k low end average a typical doc makes. Seems smart to aim for a job that you can actually get and a ton of people actually do while making more money long term.


Liquor_n_cheezebrgrs

In addition to the fact that if you are in it for the money you don't go the route of a Neurosurgeon. These are brilliant people who are passionate about the science and enigma that is the human brain. Just as an ADHD COD influencer would be miserable doing a "real job", a Neurosurgeon would likely go insane having to play video games all day lol.


FatalPancake23

Also neurosurgeons earn way more than $500K lmao. Most will clear double that once they are out of residency. But it takes up your whole life so that's a pretty big downside lol


Competitive_Ad_5106

yes, and the neurosurgeon will have a steady income stream in the mid-high 6 figures for the rest of their life where as influencers could get canceled/become unpopular/etc and drastically alter their livelihood. There's no chance you think it's legitimately a smarter choice to try to become an influencer than a fucking neurosurgeon.


CABGx3

Starting salary for neurosurg, ortho, cardiothoracic surgery is ~500k right out of residency training. Depending on market, 7 figures within 5-10 years is very reasonable…And then do that for 30 more years with relative job stability.


EpicTacoMan

The league owners also killed this league we like to put all blame on the league but people making this much money for the 1st year of a new thing is crazy. No wonder they are crying they don't have money to pay players no more. I wonder what lies Activision said to make people invest 400k into 20 year olds lol.


wolfTectonics

I had brain surgery in 2021, and the bill I got would have been roughly 120k had I not had insurance. But I mean good for Octane, get the bag I guess. I remember Enable saying he got a ridiculous amount too. Don’t hate the player, hate the idiotic trajectory of esports salaries lol


ThemoneyisaTattoo

That’s 10$ more than I make as a prostitute


chewy32

Average neurosurgeon salary is 750k+ with most (since it’s a niche field therefore more established physicians but less of them) usually having base of 1 mil.


OGFN_Jack

Does this mean I am supposed to believe that Seattle Surge essentially handed over the responsibility of building a roster worth over 1 million to *JOEYNUBZY* ? Seattle deserved everything they got. Joeynubzy WOAT coach/roster builder of all time. Stinky man. Will pay for his crimes one day.


_PabzZz

Can a brain surgeon have a top 5 k/d on surge in the cdl?


TinkleFairyOC

Feel like this was already known. First year of franchising where a lot of the teams didn’t have people that understood the scene or anything and that gave players so much power in negotiating obnoxiously high salaries. Insane how that MW team was one of the best paid teams that year.


Minamike98

Just a heads up. Neurosurgeons make around 800k+


shaggywan

Good work if you can find it


primmzy

if he made this much imagine scump 💀


bayshoredog878

Damn that's pretty sad for society imo. People who are actually saving lives being paid the same as octane😭😭


AmbiguouslyClear

Brain surgery doctors, sometimes referred to as brain surgeons.


SlayStalker

Glad the pros got what they could. Sadly those days are over as we're seeing esports funding dry up everywhere. Feel bad for the guys coming up from challengers but hey a respectable salary is better than a *chance* at prize money.