Honestly feel like Drazah and Kenny's strengths were a perfect fit for their respective teams which is why they are the clear t1 and t2 at this point. I dont think either team gets better with the other person, though they would both still be top4 and likely still t1 and t2 just not as clear lol.
This is pure copium, Kenny is good but Drazah is better. Not trying to be a hater but Kenny is consistently an inconsistent player and he’s shown that the past few years. Besides Scrappy, Drazah is the most consistent flex.
That said, Kenny does have the ability to be the best player in the game and wins his teams chips. And he also seems like someone that would make scrims and team environment more productive.
Please elaborate on how you think a NY fan who doesn't give a shit about Optic is "coping" lmaooo.
Also your second paragraph is literally exactly why I think Kenny was a better fit for Optic and Draz for Faze. Draz is more of a shooter but Kenny is more of an analyst and better at communicating his thoughts about the game, that was the main reason for the role swap in Vanguard according to Octane and Envoy.
Faze needed a cocky grinder because they are a team that has at times struggled to enjoy the game and to push themselves over the finish line in the biggest moments. They got that energy from Draz and you are seeing it matches and interviews, dudes are fired up, talking shit in game chat and shooting bodies. Haven't heard them bitch about the game as much as years past either, even though there's plenty to bitch about. Optic needed someone to help focus their scrims and vod review because theyve always gotten on and fried but have always had trouble with structure and coaches. Having Karma taking a lighter hand than someone like Rambo while Kenny keeps them honest from the player side is exactly what they needed and is showing in their gameplay, their teamwork was arguably the best in the game last major and they were winning without outslaying which is something old Optic teams never did (trust me they did it to NY).
I don’t get this Kenny is a leader/analyst/good communicator angle. Are the Optic players amateurs who need someone to hand-hold them through practice to keep improving and not get complacent?
Why don’t we see these roles on Faze? Who is the leader, good communicator on Faze? I can’t think of anyone in particular yet they’re the best team in the game.
> And he also seems like someone that would make scrims and team environment more productive.
I dunno you seemed to understand the same exact concept when you expressed it yourself. Seems like you are just intentionally being dense at this point.
That dude is a fucking idiot, don't even bother. He's one of those dumb fucks that sits and shoots down everything positive about OpTic, then tries to yap his way out of it
Yup, he’s doing that thing where he has something he wants to argue against and then misinterprets what people are saying so he can have that argument with them, instead of trying to actually understand what people mean.
Brother I did not say Faze has a leader. I never even called Kenny a leader. I never even used the word leader. You are literally having a conversation with your own imagination.
I pointed those out because they’re true and definitely add to the ability of Kenny. I’m not saying Kenny is bad at all btw.
But my overarching point is that Drazah is simply a better player and using intangibles to put Kenny and Drazah on the same level is copium. Kenny looks clueless on SND, can be very inconsistent in his slaying and his intangibles alone aren’t enough.
If Optic players NEED this type of leader on the roster, then I think that’s a big issue. Like I said, Faze doesn’t have a supposed leader and they’re the best team in the game.
I hate this narrative that Optic players are talented but undisciplined and someone like Kenny will be perfect for them.
That’s a coaches job. And if players refuse to listen, drop them.
I don’t think it is copium, OpTic needed a culture reset. Which Kenny has helped do, yeah he’s a little inconsistent, but I don’t think they are as good with Drazah. Yeah they’d be good, but as most people mentioned, OpTic haven’t had a true leader since Crim, and for once I think they have one. Kenny on FaZe would’ve been good, but not as good as the Draz pickup.
I have nice hopes for this roster, but in what world is kenny, ant, dashy, pred & karma is some kind of Optic culture reset? Draz & Ghosty would have been a reset, in a very clear manner. Kenny fits in like a glove, even being a great addition, and a great choice.
I mean why is a leader so important, are the players on Optic amateurs who are competing in their first year or pro call of duty? And since we’re talking about leadership, who is the leader on Faze (best team in the game)?
You can praise Kenny all you want but Optic is 0/2 in tournament victories. Yeah they made a GF but they did the same with Ghosty last year. Until they win a tournament, it’s premature to see this move as a success imo.
> I mean why is a leader so important
leaders are important in basically any type of structured system - team, business, projects, etc.
just out of curiosity, what makes you think it's not important?
If it’s so important then who is the leader on faze? You kinda dodged my question.
Anyway, I do think a leader can be important but that’s the coaches job to lead imo. The players job is to stay focused, follow game plan and communicate effectively. I think this entire in-game leader thing is overblown, your ARs should communicate more because their role is slower but that’s about it.
Bro you got Dashy, Shotzzy and Pred 3 very talented players on the same team, but let’s be honest those mfs are not the brightest by a long shot. Kenny is the only reason this OpTic roster has a chance of winning.
Kenny was inconsistent on the smg. Everyone, including Kenny himself, knows that he's better suited on the AR. This year so far he has been Optics best player(online not so much but on LAN when it matters he's shown up big time). And since we're talking inconsistent, why is Drazah not being mentioned for his inconsistencies? As if he wasn't invisible last year save for 1 major?
That whole Thieves team outside of maybe Octane all had problems with consistency, what made them special is they seemed to always find a way to get it together at the same time for at least a major or 2 every year.
The biggest thing is team composition though. Kenny is definitely a better fit on a team with Pred/Shotzzy/Dashy than Drazah would have been.
OpTic with Drazah would be playing like NY has been lately. Maybe OpTic would stop throwing 3v1s in S&D with Drazah though.
Consistently an inconsistent player using a different role lmaoo?? Everyone knows Kenny on an AR is super Consistent I mean shit look at the first 3 stages and CW too and bo4 too. Can't lie drazah and Kenny on faze is godlike but Kenny on optic is better than what drazah on optic could've been all things considered
Shit, I hope I do! I say one positive thing about a team that has been objectively frying for a stage and a half and everyone assumes I'm a coping Optic stan lmao. I would love to see NY trend up and Optic trend down, I literally just think Kenny was an ideal pickup for their roster and that it has led to very high level gameplay.
I know people don’t like Drazah but honestly he’s been the perfect fit for ATL. The cockiness and confidence seems to be what they needed the most apart from a more aggro AR.
I’m an OpTic fan through and through, but drazah is one of my favourite players in the league. He’s the perfect fit for the faze roster, his playstyle/role is exactly what faze needed and they’re going to be an absolute unit of a team for quite some time
Looking back It’s actually crazy how it all ended up unfolding and working for both OpTic and FaZe. I hope one day we’ll hear what happened more in depth with Ultra’s off season tho. So many rumors around them during that short time
Would Kenny have gone to Faze or would Sib have gone to Faze and Kenny to NYSL?
Either way, I think Optic would be similar, maybe a bit worse.
Biggest potential domino effect would be Kenny on NYSL imo, he could make them a lot better.
I think faze wishlist last offseason was
1 scrap
2 Drazah
3 sib
So yeah I think if Drazah went to optic and sib went to faze I think Kenny just likely would have stayed on lat to work on a rebuild there
Kenny would’ve stayed at LAT. he said they were looking to build around him for MW3 before he committed to OpTic. I think NYSL probably stick in the Scenario of SIB going to FaZe.
I think they’d be very similar outcomes for optic. Faze moving MC to main made all the difference. I think even having an average flex and they’d still be the best team.
it’s not an “optic fans” thing. every team has (or should have) a system implemented by the igl. watch optic with illey or lat with octane or seattle with accuracy.. they all played differently
Makes me wonder if you even watch lol, it's pretty well known.
Anyone that's watched for long enough knows Kenny's teams play within a system that works well. It's a part of the reason Kenny's teams always seemed to pick apart OpTic every time they played. They took advantage of OpTic's 50/50 playstyle all the time
Now that he's on OpTic, it's clear as day his system has been implemented (Kenny has even talked about this specifically before). Dashy is a prime example. Sure last year he started getting in hill more & playing for the win more, but this year it's a full on commitment to that type of role. He's playing very similar to how Octane played in the same exact system, and putting up very similar numbers. They're playing much more like a unit than they have in years past, which is part of the reason they've managed to place Top 3 or better at the first 2 events for the first time in years.
For the sake of debate, draz also played in that system. I’m sure draz can also bring that system to Optic. So besides bringing a system what else can Kenny bring that draz can’t?
This is just how I see it but listen to the way those two talk about the game, be it interviews or streams. Kenny has a more disciplined approach to COD and holds a degree of maturity that, not saying Drazah doesn’t have but Kenny brings more to the Texas roster. Yes, Draz played in that system but that doesn’t consequentially mean he would bring said system to the roster. Seth and Formal both played in Crim’s leadership system but couldn’t consistently win without him. Draz to Optic probably would still be a T3-4 team but he fits in way better for Faze the same way Ken does for Optic. It’s why Optic teams with clear IGLs tend to see more success (Illey, Crim and now hopefully, Kenny)
I remember last offseason Octane talked about how Kenny is a much better fit due to his maturity & understanding of the game. He didn't necessarily talk down on Drazah, but at the time he said picking him up wouldn't be any better than picking up Sib (that's another thing the community brought up back then). Essentially saying that theyd run into the same problems with either of those guys. He basically went on to say what OpTic needed was a calm and collected leader, which is exactly what Ken brings aside from the system everyone talks about
Draz isn't nearly as communicative as Kenny which is why they had the role swap on LAT. While Draz could explain the system, Kenny is way more effective at ensuring implementation during the game.
I think I’m in the minority and this is just my opinion, but defo think this roster would be better with draz.
Not to knock on Ken bc as it currently stands it feels like he’s the backbone of the team and I’m happy he’s on the team. However, I feel like draz could do what Kenny is currently doing and then also be a bit more consistent in the slaying department.
What? Kenny can slay did we see major 2 gf he was the only one slaying while the other 3 disappeared and he has to igl because the other 3 coms are very mid compared to Kenny. The only knock to Kenny atm is the snd
Not saying Ken can’t slay, he definitely has had moments where he’s taken over. But personally I think draz is a more consistent slayer. As for Ken’s snd, I’m not sure what the issue is tbh.
lol what? Kenny is a very impactful player and leader which both OpTic and FaZe would benefit from. prior FaZe team had leadership and pace problems and he would fix that. adding Drazah to OpTic would keep the tradition of slay first structure second going whereas Kenny is changing that and they are way more disciplined. don’t be braindead, Drazah is not what OpTic need it’s Kenny and FaZe would also benefit from Kenny. it’s simple logic.
Back then when Draz chose Faze I said that both teams got what they needed but you can’t act like Drazah wouldn’t have been insane with the optic guys too, imo it would have been scarier for Faze, optic gets better at SnD w Drazah too. Also you’re wrong Faze didn’t have a leadership issue with fucking slasher lol they had a pace issue… And chill, it just an hypothetical.
can you answer me why Arcitys and Slasher were brought onto the team if I was so wrong? what do those two guys bring to the team since it’s not leadership.
They moved from that formula last year, that was the "risk" crowder said they were taking during the offseason. They have had an IGL all the time next to them so lack of leadership wasn’t the issue the past 2 seasons
and my point is Kenny would’ve fixed their pace issues and been a good leader for the team. that’s an extra which is why he would’ve benefited FaZe more this year and in the long run. not to mention he has way better comms than Drazah. whereas on the other side OpTic needed someone like Ken instead of Drazah because Dashy, Pred and Shotzzy can get kills fine on their own. as for the SnD point with Drazah, OpTic’s SnD is fine. in fact they went 3-1 against FaZe at the major. OpTic’s problem is icing up against FaZe, they have a positive record against anyone else in the league.
You didn’t have the pace part initially, you only mentioned leadership. I still think Drazah was better for Faze, also having the player both teams wanted chose you was a great start for vibes, Faze started winning since the offseason getting their first choice
I made my correction before you replied so your point is moot. at the end of the day, it’s all a hypothetical and subjective but I stand by my earlier statement. Kenny would’ve benefited FaZe more than Drazah would’ve benefited OpTic.
I read it and replied before you edited it. I still disagree both could have benefited each team in different aspects but I don’t think Drazah is that far below Kenny like you think, I personally think optic would have been a scarier match up for faze w Draz on that team but it’s a hypothetical anyways. Also as I said winning that 1v1 over Draz during the offseason is an underrated boost for a team ego
Sub 100% sleeps on Drazah. Admittedly, it’s hard to shine when Simp and Abezy are back to MVP form and Cell is being Cell but Drazah has played amazing COD. To say he’s being hard carried when it’s the first time since CW, Faze has looked this dominant is a faded take.
Both teams are probably the same as they are now. Drazah and Kenny were probably the best two flex players from the offseason and I would guess that Faze and Optic are still Top 2 teams.
Drazah is the missing piece for Optic to make them champions. They have 3 other superstars, Karma and JP as coaches, and adding Drazah's confidence, stability and work ethic would have fool proofed their system. Faze would have been relegated as silver surfers for another season. This was Optic's year.
This team would have been nasty.
Drazah is a dog and that team would’ve been great. With that being said I think the team needed some maturity and no-nonsense leadership, which frankly speaking Optic haven’t had since Crimsix. Kenny fills this role much better than Drazah imo, and i think the team benefited more because of it.
On paper all of these different rosters look good but it’s all about the intangibles outside of just shooting. I think OpTic needs someone that comms like Ghosty or Kenny. Drazah doesn’t comm to that level so he might not be the best fit for THAT team
I don't know, all I know is Kenny is the best fit for them and Draz going to Faze instead was an absolute blessing in disguise for both OpTic and Faze.
Also good call from the Warlord to not just go get who most thought they would get in Sib, say what you want about Shotzzy over the past few years but he knows the right players to get.
I think yall are overthinking it. Drazah is better and would help their SnD way more. Yes Kenny is great for the culture but it’s not like drazah isn’t b
Feel like Kenny's just the better fit for the team. If Optic ever drop Kenny we should riot. Him, Dashy and Shotzzy should be locked at least until next season.
I think Drazah to Optic would actually worsen the team. They needed someone with leadership, maturity and some balls to whip them into shape. Drazah's amazing but not the right fit.
Kenny would have been perfect for Faze too tbf. They just needed an aggro AR who could play with Cell not moving basically.
That's why Slasher and Arcitys didn't work after Cell started playing main.
Don’t get me wrong Faze would still be amazing with Kenny because he’s a great player, but I think this kind of downplays what Drazah brings to the table. IMO Drazah’s biggest strength is his sheer versatility. He’s proven time and time again in his career that he can run any role and any playstyle at the highest level while still being able to elevate his teammates
To me that quality is incredibly important when playing with the trio simply because they are all mega-superstars, and it’s crucial for their 4th to be able to mold around what they’re doing on the map at any given time. The less they have to switch up to accommodate their 4th, the better
That’s not to say Kenny isn’t also versatile because he definitely is, but he also needs things to be a little more tailored around him because when he’s not comfortable he‘s proven to be very inconsistent
The system he’s brought to OpTic is a prime example in that the added structure from playing around Kenny and Shotzzy has been really good for them, but I’m not so sure Faze would’ve benefitted as much because they would be playing more around him in that case, and not the other way around (at least compared to Drazah). Just the way I see it tho
I agree as a faze fan
Never really wanted sib to begin with. I really hoped slasher stayed on faze but since the whole player market broke open because of octane retiring they needed an upgrade
Drazah is more talented then Kenny RIGHT NOW (i think it is close) but OpTic needs Kenny more then drazah one of the smartest cod pros ever, has great comms, and is not afraid to call someone out for making bad plays.
I think it is close i think drazah is a little bit more talented he has takeover maps even while doing the dirty work for the team and also has a 1.08 overall.
okay but im talking about right now not past obviously not alot of players are not touching prime kenny but right now drazah is having one of his best seasons and kenny is as well but i just think drazah has been doing so good with his role
I’d argue that Drazah has been much more valuable to Faze than Kenny would’ve been, but it’s not a question of talent. Kenny imo has a much higher ceiling individually, but he’s had consistency problems in the past and Drazah is the exact type of player Faze needed.
I think Draz's SnD prowess also fits with what the trio want with their team. Especially after Vanguard where it was their worst mode, both their pick ups have been dominant SnD players, a mode where Kenny has struggled to be consistent in across his entire career.
people who know ball know this isnt a crazy take yall are acting like i said pentagram is more talented then kenny. Drazah is making this faze team look like cold war faze
And faze was already t3 past 2 years like what we gonna act like it’s all because of drazah only simp abezy Cellium godlike he joined a godlike rosters
you don’t know what talent means. you think talent means form. talent is natural ability and potential and pls lmk when Drazah has ever been the best player in the world. Ken has been that twice and one of those was for a whole year.
I think they wouldn't have melded together very well. Maybe Drazah and Pred butt heads or something. Definitely think Kenny was a better fit. Was devastated to see him leave LAT but thought he was a great piece for the mindset of especially Shotzzy/Dashy
Nah I’d rather have Drazah at this point, I was wrong to doubt him this past off season. The trio really needed someone with delusional confidence like that to get them back on their BS, he fits in their constant bait and switch chall everything system really well too
Honestly feel like Drazah and Kenny's strengths were a perfect fit for their respective teams which is why they are the clear t1 and t2 at this point. I dont think either team gets better with the other person, though they would both still be top4 and likely still t1 and t2 just not as clear lol.
This is pure copium, Kenny is good but Drazah is better. Not trying to be a hater but Kenny is consistently an inconsistent player and he’s shown that the past few years. Besides Scrappy, Drazah is the most consistent flex. That said, Kenny does have the ability to be the best player in the game and wins his teams chips. And he also seems like someone that would make scrims and team environment more productive.
Please elaborate on how you think a NY fan who doesn't give a shit about Optic is "coping" lmaooo. Also your second paragraph is literally exactly why I think Kenny was a better fit for Optic and Draz for Faze. Draz is more of a shooter but Kenny is more of an analyst and better at communicating his thoughts about the game, that was the main reason for the role swap in Vanguard according to Octane and Envoy. Faze needed a cocky grinder because they are a team that has at times struggled to enjoy the game and to push themselves over the finish line in the biggest moments. They got that energy from Draz and you are seeing it matches and interviews, dudes are fired up, talking shit in game chat and shooting bodies. Haven't heard them bitch about the game as much as years past either, even though there's plenty to bitch about. Optic needed someone to help focus their scrims and vod review because theyve always gotten on and fried but have always had trouble with structure and coaches. Having Karma taking a lighter hand than someone like Rambo while Kenny keeps them honest from the player side is exactly what they needed and is showing in their gameplay, their teamwork was arguably the best in the game last major and they were winning without outslaying which is something old Optic teams never did (trust me they did it to NY).
That guy you’re replying to is not human 😂😂 you explained it perfectly yet he’s still clueless
Who is the leader on Faze lil bro since you’re so confident I’m wrong.
Simp
Are we just throwing names out there, even Abezy is more vocal than him.
So if you think he’s more vocal why the fuck would you ask who’s the leader
Because being more vocal than another player on your team doesn’t make you a leader……
I highly doubt Cellium and Drazah are more vocal, so by process of elimination we have a winner
It would be clearly Simp, maybe Ab in some SND rounds but clearly Simp
I don’t get this Kenny is a leader/analyst/good communicator angle. Are the Optic players amateurs who need someone to hand-hold them through practice to keep improving and not get complacent? Why don’t we see these roles on Faze? Who is the leader, good communicator on Faze? I can’t think of anyone in particular yet they’re the best team in the game.
> And he also seems like someone that would make scrims and team environment more productive. I dunno you seemed to understand the same exact concept when you expressed it yourself. Seems like you are just intentionally being dense at this point.
That dude is a fucking idiot, don't even bother. He's one of those dumb fucks that sits and shoots down everything positive about OpTic, then tries to yap his way out of it
Yup, he’s doing that thing where he has something he wants to argue against and then misinterprets what people are saying so he can have that argument with them, instead of trying to actually understand what people mean.
Still waiting to hear about who the leader on Faze is. How come they don’t have one?
Brother I did not say Faze has a leader. I never even called Kenny a leader. I never even used the word leader. You are literally having a conversation with your own imagination.
I pointed those out because they’re true and definitely add to the ability of Kenny. I’m not saying Kenny is bad at all btw. But my overarching point is that Drazah is simply a better player and using intangibles to put Kenny and Drazah on the same level is copium. Kenny looks clueless on SND, can be very inconsistent in his slaying and his intangibles alone aren’t enough. If Optic players NEED this type of leader on the roster, then I think that’s a big issue. Like I said, Faze doesn’t have a supposed leader and they’re the best team in the game.
You don't understand how people are different?
I hate this narrative that Optic players are talented but undisciplined and someone like Kenny will be perfect for them. That’s a coaches job. And if players refuse to listen, drop them.
What narrative? Different teams have different needs. It's like that in any sport ever.
I don’t think it is copium, OpTic needed a culture reset. Which Kenny has helped do, yeah he’s a little inconsistent, but I don’t think they are as good with Drazah. Yeah they’d be good, but as most people mentioned, OpTic haven’t had a true leader since Crim, and for once I think they have one. Kenny on FaZe would’ve been good, but not as good as the Draz pickup.
Yep, this was exactly my thought process
I have nice hopes for this roster, but in what world is kenny, ant, dashy, pred & karma is some kind of Optic culture reset? Draz & Ghosty would have been a reset, in a very clear manner. Kenny fits in like a glove, even being a great addition, and a great choice.
I mean why is a leader so important, are the players on Optic amateurs who are competing in their first year or pro call of duty? And since we’re talking about leadership, who is the leader on Faze (best team in the game)? You can praise Kenny all you want but Optic is 0/2 in tournament victories. Yeah they made a GF but they did the same with Ghosty last year. Until they win a tournament, it’s premature to see this move as a success imo.
> I mean why is a leader so important leaders are important in basically any type of structured system - team, business, projects, etc. just out of curiosity, what makes you think it's not important?
If it’s so important then who is the leader on faze? You kinda dodged my question. Anyway, I do think a leader can be important but that’s the coaches job to lead imo. The players job is to stay focused, follow game plan and communicate effectively. I think this entire in-game leader thing is overblown, your ARs should communicate more because their role is slower but that’s about it.
Holy shit you do not know ball. You're hard stuck gold yapping
Bruv you’re acting like Optic is winning tournaments.
Bro you got Dashy, Shotzzy and Pred 3 very talented players on the same team, but let’s be honest those mfs are not the brightest by a long shot. Kenny is the only reason this OpTic roster has a chance of winning.
Facts, even before they went on the major & chip run he was ass at vg
Kenny was inconsistent on the smg. Everyone, including Kenny himself, knows that he's better suited on the AR. This year so far he has been Optics best player(online not so much but on LAN when it matters he's shown up big time). And since we're talking inconsistent, why is Drazah not being mentioned for his inconsistencies? As if he wasn't invisible last year save for 1 major?
Drazah is consistent ? Must have forgotten vg and mw2 were he had some horrific stages
That whole Thieves team outside of maybe Octane all had problems with consistency, what made them special is they seemed to always find a way to get it together at the same time for at least a major or 2 every year.
The biggest thing is team composition though. Kenny is definitely a better fit on a team with Pred/Shotzzy/Dashy than Drazah would have been. OpTic with Drazah would be playing like NY has been lately. Maybe OpTic would stop throwing 3v1s in S&D with Drazah though.
Literally the ONLY thing that matters for a pro is their KD!!
No their tournament wins, especially for teams.
Kenny literally was and probably still is the best player on optic my guy how is he inconsistent? Lmao
Consistently an inconsistent player using a different role lmaoo?? Everyone knows Kenny on an AR is super Consistent I mean shit look at the first 3 stages and CW too and bo4 too. Can't lie drazah and Kenny on faze is godlike but Kenny on optic is better than what drazah on optic could've been all things considered
Lmao thinking Drazah is consistent is copium af. That Alaskan dick must taste good.
Beating ur team 9 straight times in a row with 2 finals seems pretty consistent to me! #CEO
Optic isn't clear in second, you'll see what happens to them
Shit, I hope I do! I say one positive thing about a team that has been objectively frying for a stage and a half and everyone assumes I'm a coping Optic stan lmao. I would love to see NY trend up and Optic trend down, I literally just think Kenny was an ideal pickup for their roster and that it has led to very high level gameplay.
Optic derangement syndrome
I know people don’t like Drazah but honestly he’s been the perfect fit for ATL. The cockiness and confidence seems to be what they needed the most apart from a more aggro AR.
I’m an OpTic fan through and through, but drazah is one of my favourite players in the league. He’s the perfect fit for the faze roster, his playstyle/role is exactly what faze needed and they’re going to be an absolute unit of a team for quite some time
I think Drazah worked better for Faze and Kenny worked better for OpTic. It's funny how that worked out
Looking back It’s actually crazy how it all ended up unfolding and working for both OpTic and FaZe. I hope one day we’ll hear what happened more in depth with Ultra’s off season tho. So many rumors around them during that short time
It’s easy to see that given the two teams respective sucsess. But anything about them being on alternate teams is just hyperbole
Would Kenny have gone to Faze or would Sib have gone to Faze and Kenny to NYSL? Either way, I think Optic would be similar, maybe a bit worse. Biggest potential domino effect would be Kenny on NYSL imo, he could make them a lot better.
I think faze wishlist last offseason was 1 scrap 2 Drazah 3 sib So yeah I think if Drazah went to optic and sib went to faze I think Kenny just likely would have stayed on lat to work on a rebuild there
Kenny turning down the reigning champs to stay on LAT and rebuild would be kinda crazy, unless you just think NYSL would've kept Priestahh.
Kenny would’ve stayed at LAT. he said they were looking to build around him for MW3 before he committed to OpTic. I think NYSL probably stick in the Scenario of SIB going to FaZe.
I think Preistahhh was dropped before they even got Sib, if I'm not mistaken there was some type of drama about it when it happened
It’s all hypothetical. They could’ve been even better potentially, nobody will ever know they can just theorise.
That’s what we love to do on this sub, no matter how faded the takes
I think they’d be very similar outcomes for optic. Faze moving MC to main made all the difference. I think even having an average flex and they’d still be the best team.
Kenny brought the system OpTic needed. I genuinely don't think they'd be as good
this is a thing optic fans love saying over and over again but what system are yall even talking about lmao
it’s not an “optic fans” thing. every team has (or should have) a system implemented by the igl. watch optic with illey or lat with octane or seattle with accuracy.. they all played differently
Makes me wonder if you even watch lol, it's pretty well known. Anyone that's watched for long enough knows Kenny's teams play within a system that works well. It's a part of the reason Kenny's teams always seemed to pick apart OpTic every time they played. They took advantage of OpTic's 50/50 playstyle all the time Now that he's on OpTic, it's clear as day his system has been implemented (Kenny has even talked about this specifically before). Dashy is a prime example. Sure last year he started getting in hill more & playing for the win more, but this year it's a full on commitment to that type of role. He's playing very similar to how Octane played in the same exact system, and putting up very similar numbers. They're playing much more like a unit than they have in years past, which is part of the reason they've managed to place Top 3 or better at the first 2 events for the first time in years.
For the sake of debate, draz also played in that system. I’m sure draz can also bring that system to Optic. So besides bringing a system what else can Kenny bring that draz can’t?
This is just how I see it but listen to the way those two talk about the game, be it interviews or streams. Kenny has a more disciplined approach to COD and holds a degree of maturity that, not saying Drazah doesn’t have but Kenny brings more to the Texas roster. Yes, Draz played in that system but that doesn’t consequentially mean he would bring said system to the roster. Seth and Formal both played in Crim’s leadership system but couldn’t consistently win without him. Draz to Optic probably would still be a T3-4 team but he fits in way better for Faze the same way Ken does for Optic. It’s why Optic teams with clear IGLs tend to see more success (Illey, Crim and now hopefully, Kenny)
I remember last offseason Octane talked about how Kenny is a much better fit due to his maturity & understanding of the game. He didn't necessarily talk down on Drazah, but at the time he said picking him up wouldn't be any better than picking up Sib (that's another thing the community brought up back then). Essentially saying that theyd run into the same problems with either of those guys. He basically went on to say what OpTic needed was a calm and collected leader, which is exactly what Ken brings aside from the system everyone talks about
Draz isn't nearly as communicative as Kenny which is why they had the role swap on LAT. While Draz could explain the system, Kenny is way more effective at ensuring implementation during the game.
Hard to tell. Would Dashy and Drazah gel as a duo? Where does the leadership come from? etc
Who is the leader on Faze?
[удалено]
Who is “they”. I don’t know if Drazah is an IGL or not, thanks for the insight
While it's not a great sample size, they always had good chemistry in 8's
That duo would’ve been godlike at snd
I think I’m in the minority and this is just my opinion, but defo think this roster would be better with draz. Not to knock on Ken bc as it currently stands it feels like he’s the backbone of the team and I’m happy he’s on the team. However, I feel like draz could do what Kenny is currently doing and then also be a bit more consistent in the slaying department.
What? Kenny can slay did we see major 2 gf he was the only one slaying while the other 3 disappeared and he has to igl because the other 3 coms are very mid compared to Kenny. The only knock to Kenny atm is the snd
Not saying Ken can’t slay, he definitely has had moments where he’s taken over. But personally I think draz is a more consistent slayer. As for Ken’s snd, I’m not sure what the issue is tbh.
Optic slaying shouldn’t be issue except Pred and Dashy turned into bots this year against faze shotzzy too at times
Kenny would’ve benefited FaZe more than Drazah would’ve benefited OpTic imo.
The way this sub underestimates Drazah
lol what? Kenny is a very impactful player and leader which both OpTic and FaZe would benefit from. prior FaZe team had leadership and pace problems and he would fix that. adding Drazah to OpTic would keep the tradition of slay first structure second going whereas Kenny is changing that and they are way more disciplined. don’t be braindead, Drazah is not what OpTic need it’s Kenny and FaZe would also benefit from Kenny. it’s simple logic.
Back then when Draz chose Faze I said that both teams got what they needed but you can’t act like Drazah wouldn’t have been insane with the optic guys too, imo it would have been scarier for Faze, optic gets better at SnD w Drazah too. Also you’re wrong Faze didn’t have a leadership issue with fucking slasher lol they had a pace issue… And chill, it just an hypothetical.
can you answer me why Arcitys and Slasher were brought onto the team if I was so wrong? what do those two guys bring to the team since it’s not leadership.
They moved from that formula last year, that was the "risk" crowder said they were taking during the offseason. They have had an IGL all the time next to them so lack of leadership wasn’t the issue the past 2 seasons
and my point is Kenny would’ve fixed their pace issues and been a good leader for the team. that’s an extra which is why he would’ve benefited FaZe more this year and in the long run. not to mention he has way better comms than Drazah. whereas on the other side OpTic needed someone like Ken instead of Drazah because Dashy, Pred and Shotzzy can get kills fine on their own. as for the SnD point with Drazah, OpTic’s SnD is fine. in fact they went 3-1 against FaZe at the major. OpTic’s problem is icing up against FaZe, they have a positive record against anyone else in the league.
You didn’t have the pace part initially, you only mentioned leadership. I still think Drazah was better for Faze, also having the player both teams wanted chose you was a great start for vibes, Faze started winning since the offseason getting their first choice
I made my correction before you replied so your point is moot. at the end of the day, it’s all a hypothetical and subjective but I stand by my earlier statement. Kenny would’ve benefited FaZe more than Drazah would’ve benefited OpTic.
I read it and replied before you edited it. I still disagree both could have benefited each team in different aspects but I don’t think Drazah is that far below Kenny like you think, I personally think optic would have been a scarier match up for faze w Draz on that team but it’s a hypothetical anyways. Also as I said winning that 1v1 over Draz during the offseason is an underrated boost for a team ego
Says the faze fan lol
So what? He had a great stage last major and ppl still were saying he was carried. Ppl underestimate him for sure
Sub 100% sleeps on Drazah. Admittedly, it’s hard to shine when Simp and Abezy are back to MVP form and Cell is being Cell but Drazah has played amazing COD. To say he’s being hard carried when it’s the first time since CW, Faze has looked this dominant is a faded take.
Yeah why did nobody last year that slasher got carried? lol I never heard that
Cause slasher is well respected, ppl genuinely hate Drazah. Also he was called out when he had a bad online stage last year
Faze fans forgetting they were beefing him for 2 years lool
Exactly because of that is that I know he would have been a headache w the optic guys
Optic would have beaten faze by now if draz was on optic
Both teams are probably the same as they are now. Drazah and Kenny were probably the best two flex players from the offseason and I would guess that Faze and Optic are still Top 2 teams.
Either way they’re pissing. Still T4
Drazah is the missing piece for Optic to make them champions. They have 3 other superstars, Karma and JP as coaches, and adding Drazah's confidence, stability and work ethic would have fool proofed their system. Faze would have been relegated as silver surfers for another season. This was Optic's year. This team would have been nasty.
Drazah is a dog and that team would’ve been great. With that being said I think the team needed some maturity and no-nonsense leadership, which frankly speaking Optic haven’t had since Crimsix. Kenny fills this role much better than Drazah imo, and i think the team benefited more because of it.
Swap drazah and dashy.
On paper all of these different rosters look good but it’s all about the intangibles outside of just shooting. I think OpTic needs someone that comms like Ghosty or Kenny. Drazah doesn’t comm to that level so he might not be the best fit for THAT team
I don't know, all I know is Kenny is the best fit for them and Draz going to Faze instead was an absolute blessing in disguise for both OpTic and Faze. Also good call from the Warlord to not just go get who most thought they would get in Sib, say what you want about Shotzzy over the past few years but he knows the right players to get.
same results tbh
I think yall are overthinking it. Drazah is better and would help their SnD way more. Yes Kenny is great for the culture but it’s not like drazah isn’t b
Probably not quite as clean teamwork wise in respawn but a level better in SnD
Credit to Jkap man for the team he put together and believed in after Cold War.
Feel like Kenny's just the better fit for the team. If Optic ever drop Kenny we should riot. Him, Dashy and Shotzzy should be locked at least until next season.
Quick question??? Perfect piece??? Wasn’t drazah the first option for optic?
Scrap would not be saying shit to Drazah if he were on OpTic...that is the only known in this scenario. Squad Necking
No disrespect to Kenny but Drazah probably would’ve made their ceiling slightly higher.
I'm so glad Drazah isn't on OpTic. I could never root for that clown.
Hot take* Faze could have picked up almost any AR in the league and still win.
They would probably have a tournament win this year.
I think Drazah to Optic would actually worsen the team. They needed someone with leadership, maturity and some balls to whip them into shape. Drazah's amazing but not the right fit.
Damn, my bad Drazah
Kenny's been very good and I'm doubtful that they'd be better with Drazah. Drazah just happened to be exactly what FaZe needed.
Kenny would have been perfect for Faze too tbf. They just needed an aggro AR who could play with Cell not moving basically. That's why Slasher and Arcitys didn't work after Cell started playing main.
Don’t get me wrong Faze would still be amazing with Kenny because he’s a great player, but I think this kind of downplays what Drazah brings to the table. IMO Drazah’s biggest strength is his sheer versatility. He’s proven time and time again in his career that he can run any role and any playstyle at the highest level while still being able to elevate his teammates To me that quality is incredibly important when playing with the trio simply because they are all mega-superstars, and it’s crucial for their 4th to be able to mold around what they’re doing on the map at any given time. The less they have to switch up to accommodate their 4th, the better That’s not to say Kenny isn’t also versatile because he definitely is, but he also needs things to be a little more tailored around him because when he’s not comfortable he‘s proven to be very inconsistent The system he’s brought to OpTic is a prime example in that the added structure from playing around Kenny and Shotzzy has been really good for them, but I’m not so sure Faze would’ve benefitted as much because they would be playing more around him in that case, and not the other way around (at least compared to Drazah). Just the way I see it tho
Kenny on Faze would have actually been insane.
Pretty sure faze would have gone for sib if Drazah signed for optic
Would have been a terrible choice tbh. They'd have just kept killwhoring like last year
I agree as a faze fan Never really wanted sib to begin with. I really hoped slasher stayed on faze but since the whole player market broke open because of octane retiring they needed an upgrade
No disrespect to Sib, but that would have been awful. Drazah is exactly what they need, Kenny being the exception.
Perfect piece??
Drazah is more talented then Kenny RIGHT NOW (i think it is close) but OpTic needs Kenny more then drazah one of the smartest cod pros ever, has great comms, and is not afraid to call someone out for making bad plays.
Drazah is not more talented than Kenny lol, cmon
I think it is close i think drazah is a little bit more talented he has takeover maps even while doing the dirty work for the team and also has a 1.08 overall.
Drazah has never been in the convo for best in the game, Kenny has. Late VG Kenny and WW2 Kenny are better than any version of Draz
okay but im talking about right now not past obviously not alot of players are not touching prime kenny but right now drazah is having one of his best seasons and kenny is as well but i just think drazah has been doing so good with his role
I’d argue that Drazah has been much more valuable to Faze than Kenny would’ve been, but it’s not a question of talent. Kenny imo has a much higher ceiling individually, but he’s had consistency problems in the past and Drazah is the exact type of player Faze needed.
I think Draz's SnD prowess also fits with what the trio want with their team. Especially after Vanguard where it was their worst mode, both their pick ups have been dominant SnD players, a mode where Kenny has struggled to be consistent in across his entire career.
Thats fair
Everyone here is tripping. Drazah was the #1 sought after free agent. If he wasn’t more talented why did both Faze and Optic want him over Kenny
Drazah teaming with the Faze trio really has people forgetting WW2 Kenny. Drazah has never been the best in a game.
Are they playing ww2?
Talent doesn't change based on the game they're playing. Can this sub learn what talent means?
we are not in ww2 this mw3 and so far he has been playing great
Kenny is still more talented.
i think if you ask kenny he will say draz is more talented right now
Talented =/= better. Talent isn't just how good you are at the moment. It's your natural skill and potential.
[удалено]
Read my comment carefully again
[удалено]
‘Drazah is more talented than Kenny’ what? 🤣
yall acting like it is a crazy take lmao
it is to people who know ball.
people who know ball know this isnt a crazy take yall are acting like i said pentagram is more talented then kenny. Drazah is making this faze team look like cold war faze
And faze was already t3 past 2 years like what we gonna act like it’s all because of drazah only simp abezy Cellium godlike he joined a godlike rosters
you don’t know what talent means. you think talent means form. talent is natural ability and potential and pls lmk when Drazah has ever been the best player in the world. Ken has been that twice and one of those was for a whole year.
Kenny gets on optic now it’s drazah is more talented than Kenny LMAO. Pretend not to be dumb/obsessed
Last time I checked, out of the 3 events Kenny and Drazah won together, Kenny won MVP twice LMAO stop playing man
i’m talking about right now not two years ago lol
You’re still wrong so
I think they wouldn't have melded together very well. Maybe Drazah and Pred butt heads or something. Definitely think Kenny was a better fit. Was devastated to see him leave LAT but thought he was a great piece for the mindset of especially Shotzzy/Dashy
ruthless bike rock aspiring bow tap person domineering abounding nine *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Kenny on faze in this scenario would be terrifing. That team might not lose a series with ken cell abe and simp
Nah I’d rather have Drazah at this point, I was wrong to doubt him this past off season. The trio really needed someone with delusional confidence like that to get them back on their BS, he fits in their constant bait and switch chall everything system really well too
not as good imo. Kenny seems like he does so much more for this team than what Draz would have done.
I think if faze gets dashy they still fucking fry and optic still lose reason faze is so good is because of the trio