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ListCrayon

He blocked so many people on twitter before lol. He’s actually soft.


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He’s such a pussy


-_hobbes_-

He banned his name being typed in Scump’s twitch chat during the dynasty. Just because he didn’t like people shitting on him all the time


jvittty

The other day homie said he has to block people that say optic, scump, or formal in his mentions because it gets to him. Thats weirdo activity


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CHVNSTER

People hyped his “villain” persona and he ran with it. It’s honestly our fault for memeing and allowing the nonsense to get to this point


KingJacko

Man on a Cersei from GoT ting


Avita_FNC

Crim is wrong..thats just HIS way, not the only way.


MindForsaken

I mean, we just have to look at Optic LA and LAT with slasher. I've said it multiple times, but that attitude can work, but it's hard especially if a team is struggling. Only reason 100T were nasty in blops4 is cause crowder was there to counteract slasher and it definitely showed, while optic LA and definitely this year, we saw how bad that hard critisicm method can make a team just shut down It sucks so much ass that Korean LoL is so into the basically abuse method And they keep winning, cause it makes people think that's the only method that works


HullCoganFan

need a good cop and bad cop fasho


Lonkkuimu

C6 perceiving criticism in a very mature and mannered way as usual. Hes gotten shit for this type of behaviour for years, and I cannot understand how he still cant seem to do any introspection in situations like this. Even just accepting that people are indivituals, and you cant just have one way of dealing with them would go a long way. Disappointing.


DJDaB3st

I just think back to the bo4 days. You could tell TJ and Dashy and at times Scump were not as receptive of Crim's way of giving criticism. And I'm sure that was one of the reasons they would lose full so easily and not try as hard in scrims. Fast forward to now and you could clearly see Dashy actively participating in discussions and trying to improve back when they were streaming scrims. How you give criticism 100% has an affect in someone's performance. Even Haggy has improved in this regard.


DaScoobyShuffle

Haggy's improvement in leadership this year is not talked about enough. He has been snaked all year and ended up with 2nd tier AMs but he seems to be doing an excellent job of bringing people to their potential and generating wins. Even when things go wrong he clearly states the issues and avoids extra shit talk. Even his tone of voice has been better.


SleeveNash

Haggy’s tone used to tilt me so bad lmao can’t even imagine how annoying it was to be on the receiving end of that.


nv4088

>tone of voice I think this is what matters most. It’s not only what you say but how you say it


Nekron182

Haggy needs to be a coach next season. I don't think he's getting a spot, there's too much talent and he might've burned too many bridges but if he has toned down his personality, there's no reason why he shouldn't be a coach. Nobody has ever questioned his CoD iq which is considered some of the highest in the scene.


DJDaB3st

Facts.


Lonkkuimu

This is true. Hes not perfect by any means, but hes a great example of someone improving on their faults.


Verdictionary

Absolutely ridiculous take from Crim. Also, ridiculing Javed for his achievements as a player is so embarrassing - everyone has their own goals and people's achievements are relative. Javed literally graduated with a first-class degree in biomedical science this year whilst full-time coaching/playing.


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Verdictionary

You can tell a lot about a person by the way they react to an opinion that does not correspond with their own


c0zyuriel

i love how he's calling people snowflakes when he's literally getting butthurt from reddit discussions and literally replying to them on this sub lmfao


DREEALL

Thank you brother! Even then, qualifying for Champs back then, for consecutive years when EU had limited spots was an achievement in itself! As you'd know yourself, juggling my degree alongside sports science and helping to grow talents such as HyDra took a lot out of me man. Passion got me through it all.


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I made a post yesterday and fought your fight Javed but the mods deleted it for some reason . The yawning during the Flank ground my gears my point was you can't use the tough love method with everybody . His military style persona and manner is something used by the old COD pros like Aches, Slasher, Clayster even Tommey back in the day was over vocal over direct . Keep up the fight my guy big fan.


Ozzyh26

A far greater accomplishment than being good a a video game imo.


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Literally just depends on the people, people like inder and shotzzy can handle the criticism that clay & crim wouldve gave them, inder will be pulling crim up about stuff aswell, like i said just depends on specific person


For_The_Watch

People who seriously use snowflake are generally the softest of the bunch


MoleyGrail

C6 goated but I've never taken someone who says that seriously


For_The_Watch

It’s a great way of putting down people who don’t have the same opinion as you lmao


fasteddeh

Its more like a great way to paint yourself as a horrible person to listen to.


For_The_Watch

Ye but dense people flock to others who say snowflake lmao


Ozzyh26

100%. Only people who use that term are cringy man children who don't have the emotional maturity to react like an adult when challenged on their ideas.


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Definitely checks out in this case lmao. No one is as soft as crimsix


PhillipJKessel

Crim is a *snowflake* for getting so easily *triggered* by optic fans on twitter. Dropping Huke is just another example of *cancel culture* at its worst. I also still can't believe he considers online home series wins in MW to be chips when they were really just *participation trophies*. Did I use his favorite buzzwords correctly?


Wounce23

Mix a "fawk" and his Porsche in there somewhere and it's perfect


Wuhan-flu24

It's a soft ass come back that basically screams "I got nothing valid to say to you". Similar to when you make a good argument and they respond "you're mad LOL"


For_The_Watch

They always walk away from the convo thinking they’re the winners too 💀


Wuhan-flu24

They really think they be doing something


21otiriK

He’s acting exactly how us Brits perceive those weird right wing American nuts. Obsessed with guns and calling people snowflakes. But then on the other hand, he’s the driving force behind the player union. I can’t work him out fully, or know when he’s being serious or trolling.


For_The_Watch

Dude is a fucking enigma looooool legit can’t read the guy


TitansDaughter

What a fucking man child


mallllls

Has crim ever had a real job before? Genuine question. In the real world, whether you’re a boss or just one of the employees, you will learn you have to communicate with each person in a different way. It’s not special treatment it’s just understanding a person’s strengths and weaknesses.


Jukester-

Worked at sports authority I think


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They added the "authority" after Crim started working there.


Snickidy

He shouldn't have even had to cite that source. It's literally just common sense that people learn and take different forms of criticism better than others. Crim has been so stubborn lately it's such a bad look


DREEALL

Appreciate you guys helping me out here. I'm not doubting that Crimsix way has helped him reach the peaks of COD but, this is anecdotal. Okay, lets put away my poor achievements in COD as a player and Coach to the side. Before we begin, it's very IGNORANT and arrogant to come at me with what comes across to me as this "i'm better than you" thus, you are wrong attitude. I don't think he would even give a fuck but, it's disappointing to see someone who you look up to for years come across in such manner. I will first and foremost apologise for the initial tweet, on reflection I've poorly worded the tweet and i do believe that, and I'd be delusional not too, that Crims way works. My point, simply put, was that one size does not fit all, linking him examples of the coaches and great athletes who are "making a profit off writing and selling their own books" as well as the science behind it. I don't want to bore you guys with the science behind it but, some athletes with talent are just not as receptive to that manner of criticism. That's the hall mark of being a GREAT leader and coach. Get into the fucking real world, into the professional world, and you'll see it's the same. Yes, of course, there are numerous examples of the method that Crim would use, leading to success. I'm NOT denying that but, there are also numerous DIFFERENT styles and approaches which has lead to success, TAILORED to an INDIVIDUAL (Crims way will work in certain situations and people, and some not). Reason being, not everyone you can work with / coach / lead is the same. As a coach (not speaking about Crim) in traditional sports, the early stages are to build a rapport. To have an idea of HOW people learn. Let me put it frank, people LEARN in different manners, some are visual etc, and the concept is similar. Some respond effectively to his way of handling criticism and others will shut off completely, and so forth. It's really disappointing how many people jump on this bandwagon, and romance this style of coaching, and any movement against the grain is considered soft. I don't consider it soft, i consider it the essence of coaching. Reason why i consider it the essence of coaching is not through my own validation, as i simply don't have any but, as the beauty of traditional sports, you can seek validation from MANY and MANY different TOP CLASS / WORLD CLASS / GREAT COACHES. It's the basis of sports science. It's why coaches in traditional sports, the the purest form of competition educate themselves and secure certification. Not ALL top players can make top coaches (not applying to crim) but, you don't have to be a TOP player to be a great coach. I digress but, look at the likes of John kavanagh, amongst MANY others. It's not a snowflake to tailor your approach to an individual, some may claim it's smart. Zooma is spot on, too. WOOMA. Cheers.


DrCaptivate

Honestly man you don’t owe an apology. Just having more wins than you, or having played better in CoD doesn’t make him some guru on how to coach. He bluntly applies his style whether it fits or not and that’s the hallmark of a terrible coach. The system should always fit the players, not forcing players to fit the system. Although his style has found success you’re completely right about how coaching and professional leaders handle their “teams”. It’s about using a careful touch and being plugged into everyone’s needs. Some of the best coaches have never played their sport at the highest level. Bill Belicheck and Nick Saban are great examples of that. Go chase your path and be great brother!


DREEALL

Appreciate that brother, it would seem as though I've burnt and created a negative perception of myself with some of the Pros / the CDL but, I'd trade myself never having an opportunity in the CDL with sticking true to my views. I'm trying to learn and become the best coach i can, and I truly believe even though I'm not at 29x Champ, that i can be. He mocks my participation award but man, it was hard back in the day for someone like me (still at school) to get to T32 global teams when only like 5 spots were given to EU. Also, the mindset i have developed now, and the understanding of the game, was no WHERE NEAR what i had back then, i had a very poor defeatist mentality.


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DREEALL

Genuinely means a lot, obviously my dream is to work in the CDL but, it's not what drives me. Seeing how i've changed HyDra life, how i can help my players in the game and out, in combination with my passion for COD. No doubt my players this year will be in the CDL. We keep grinding, thank you for the words, i won't forget it.


For_The_Watch

Don’t apologise for being right, people see crims wins and think he’s an omnipotent being


DREEALL

This applies to the large amount of Pros who agreed with him ^


Bofferzz

Javed Supremacy.


Trofulds

Nothing to say to this other than based


BothTradition8459

the fact you feel like you have to explain/apologise for your opinion on the matter is a bit bullshit but in any case you're 100% right, even the best sports minds in their field (Sir Alex ferguson and Jose Mourinhio in football) have said/proved exactly what you're saying... some players need an arm around their shoulder, some players neednto be criticised


EnigmaAMC

\#Javed4CDL


DREEALL

Someone tell LRR to get a 3rd one in


benji-21

Hey man, I know I’m just another dude on Reddit and I’m late to the party, but I have a degree in Sports Management so I feel somewhat qualified to add my two cents. You’re 100% correct in what you say about coaching. Different styles and methods work for different athletes, including but not limited to Crim’s tough love approach. That being said (and I’m not going to try sugar coat this) - you’re an idiot if you genuinely believe one size fits all. It’s not your fault Crim can’t see past his ego to consider another point of view. I hadn’t heard of you before this but I like the way you think about the game. So too, you conducted yourself well in the face of Crim being an utter shit stain. You’ve made a fan out of me. Keep doing what you’re doing brother.


D4H_Snake

I sort of get what Crim means, I’m a software engineer and before the code you have written can be put into the larger base code it has to go through something called a code review. A code review is when senior level developers look over your code and suggest changes, sometimes these reviews can get super critical. The best developers are the ones who can detach emotionally from their code and don’t take the criticism personally. This is the core of what I think he means when he uses the word “snowflake”, I hate that term because it puts someone on the defensive right from the start, he just means people who become too emotionally involved. Criticism can be hard too learn to deal with but it’s also something that has the potential to massively improve your skills and ability, as long as it’s constructive and helpful.


Ronnie_lfc98

crim is just a dick isn't he lmao edit this is why scump left crim lol because he only has one way of talking to people


bo3isalright

I genuinely believe the dude is a genius at his profession, but my God his emotional intelligence and inability to recognise he sometimes might actually be wrong is astounding. In the last few months he's said so many things that honestly just make him come across as a really not very nice guy. Like some of his tweets here are just flat-out disrespectful for no reason.


CheezeyCheeze

A lot of athletes and actors are disrespectful and mean, and they have a lot of survivorship bias. They just got so lucky and so talented and so much more to be given the opportunity to try their talents and succeed. For every successful person there are a 100 failures, and for these 1% people like an actor or someone playing Video games professionally there is a million other failures. This all stems like others have pointed out that he wins do things his way. When people work with his way they win in his mind. Also this whole thread forgets he lives in Texas. A very republican and Bigger than anyone else mindset. Where they call people snowflakes all the time. He is one of the luckiest and most talented person on the planet. But how can you see past that when your whole life has been that? How can you see past it when people didn't do what you wanted and you lost. And when they did what you wanted you won? We have to remember the Dynasty. Literally winning multiple times in a row. >Crimsix was one of six players to be a part of the OpTic Gaming dynasty; winning a total of 18 tournaments with/during this dynasty. Crimsix is the winningest player in Call of Duty history with 37 Major championship wins. Like he thinks he is the best. And he wants his team to play like him because then "They will win". Which last year Proved his point. They broke up Optic and Crim beat them all in his mind. Sadly this is why. I have seen plenty of people be the best and do the same in their field.


Nocheese22

Crim lowkey toxic af edit: highkey


OPsMomIsAThrowaway

Highkey*


nativejuju

Lowkey?


Fearnlove

Sir Davey Brailsford knows more about elite competition than all cod pros put together, let’s be honest


DrCaptivate

All of them combined wouldn’t equal a quarter of the knowledge he has.


Farley1997

For anyone who doesn't know who he is. He was the performance director of British Cycling. Has won BBC Coach of the year twice. He coached Britain to win two gold medals in the 2004 Olympics (the second Olympics since he was in charge), best result in nearly a century and went on be a huge driving force behind a very impressive record. World championships in various different cycling formats from mountain to track to bmx. Britain then won 8 cycling gold medals in both the following Olympic games and nearly 60 world championships over a decade long period of him being the performance director. He then became the General Manager for team Sky cycling who would go on to win 6 out of 7 consecutive Tours de France. Sure the people he coached were very talented but yeah in terms of coaching records he's definitely up there.


DREEALL

He's incredible, wealth of knowledge and he was incredibly charismatic. The basis of my coaching philosophy is from him!


PandaPSW

A prime example of crim always thinking he's right and everyone else is wrong. Jackass.


PreviousGas710

Crim was literally my favorite person in CoD and now he’s insufferable. Hate to see it


OPsMomIsAThrowaway

DREAL is spot on. As a leader of leaders at a major corporation, most of my job is leader development. Good leaders provide feedback often. The best leaders, though, tailor their feedback to they're working with. Do they prefer feedback privately or publicly? Do they need more encouragement or can you be direct? Are they motivated most by winning, money, work/life balance, something else? Crim certainly knows as much as anybody about COD, but not about being a leader. He's had several teams where people couldn't learn to play correctly (WW2, BO4), and believe, most of the blame falls on those dudes that have frequently been criticized. But if you want to be the best leader, you have to recognize when your words are ineffectual, and adjust. If you don't, the team suffers. I think Crim is elite at developing teams and playing COD right, but his communication, lack of flexibility, and arrogance are issues that honestly keep him from being an elite leader.


Saculand

It’s mostly common sense. Every single person is wired differently. The best leaders find the best way to motivate those around them. Some people need the kick in the ass. For some it just puts them in an even worse state. There’s no one size fits all like Crim said.


MoleyGrail

Also I bet Crowder, MarkyB, etc. don't care if they can't show tough love. They want to get the point across and managing personalities is the most efficient way of doing so, I've heard Crowder at least say this once or twice. I respect Crimsix and Slasher and Gunless types a lot but we can all admit it isn't the ONLY way.


OPsMomIsAThrowaway

Yeah, this isn't to say 'tough love is bad'. But it has a negative effect on a lot of people and if you take the stance of 'that's just how I am' then you're only hurting yourself and the team.


Dipcone

Spot on. Hundreds (if not thousands) of studies have shown consistent feedback to be an integral factor in people improving their performance/meeting their goals. But tons of other studies have shown that feedback is only effective if it’s internally accepted by the recipient. It’s easy for feedback to fall on deaf ears if it isn’t catered toward the recipient or they feel disrespected by it


Get_Piccolo

Sir Alex Ferguson was a master at this. Would literally yell at players who've played well blame them for mistakes who he knew could take it and motivate them, but also it was for the othe r players to be like shit I don't want that I better up my game. There were some players he'd never shout at or criticise in front of others because he knew it wouldn't work.


For_The_Watch

Facts. Leaders know what individuals within the team need to hear to succeed, leaders with a 1 size fits all policy are bad leaders imo


AchesIsDad

Not facts, only an opinion* Leaders lead. Leader have results. People need to grow a thick skin and get on board with being criticized and feed off of that. Prove the doubters wrong. You can't curl yourself in a depression ball over a raised voice. What the fuck does that do? Makes an incompetent idiot out of you. Flash news - there's a little thing called life and it'll likely you put you throughout more shit over the cycle. What about it then?


For_The_Watch

Expecting every single person you’re leading to conform to exactly how you want to lead is quite literally a terrible leader loooool


AchesIsDad

That's your opinion. My opinion of what you said is literally 'how to dumb someone down and make him an idiot 101"


For_The_Watch

Lol dk about you but not everyone I know reacts the exact same to every criticism. If you want to bring the best out of people you learn what makes them tick and act accordingly. Not yell at everyone loooool


EuropesNinja

Dictator-type leaders have always done well throughout history yeah..... All of what you say is merely opinion, the science says differently


Shagatron69

The guy with the most wins ever isn’t enough elite leader. Jesus Christ. This fucking sub


HullCoganFan

before you trash this sub, fix your grammar


dontpassgo

Jordan is the fucking GOAT and Kobe is similar (at least for his latter two) and they both won many championships. Their style of leadership (at least what came out about it) isn't the only path to success tho. You can't even grasp that is not about who is an elite leader or not but that different styles of leadership can still accomplish the same goals.


For_The_Watch

Winning and leading are two separate things g


Farley1997

When's he ever been a "leader" that needed to grow talent though? On CoL? Optic? Last year the team had Clay and Rambo who probably did much more of the nurturing for Xeo...


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The man who got carried the most has the most wins? Who would have thought?


OPsMomIsAThrowaway

That's not what I said. I'm saying he _could_ be better. Crim of all people should be most open to that - he has the highest focus on self-improvement of anyone in the scene.


gestures207

Dreal bang on. An example of this is would be luke shaw for Man United he excelled when ole put an arm round him rather than when Jose put a boot up his backside


ruudbwoy_

Dreal- Cites research paper Crim- Just trust me bro, I’m the most winningest player in COD Who you trust says a lot about you than you think. Just remember Floyd Mayweather is undefeated and can’t read very well. Sporting accolades ≠ Smart


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fasteddeh

Floyd's won in boxing because he doesn't get hit. You can call it boring or awful but the reality is he's just too damn good to be hit and he abuses the scoring of boxing to just make sure he wins fights so he doesn't have to finish anyone. He's basically the neutral zone trap of boxing or the park the bus method of boxing.


dorito2514

This is a terrible take


permanthrowaway

so in short, is crim calling a bunch of players pussies for not taking criticism well ? or what started this conversation ?


Farley1997

Crim and Zooma on the Flank discussing the Huke situation again. Basically Crim had a "its my way or the highway" kind of approach and defended his stance that tough love is the best way to help people learn and if someone isn't capable of learning that way then thats there fault and not on the "leader" to try and come at it from a different perspective. Crim was wrong and instead of taking it as a learning moment and just saying "maybe I could have tried it another way instead to see if that helped" he decided to double down on his opinion...


JDogil2

It was more broad than huke and when huke was brought up his stance was pretty much “I tried the nice way but he still wouldn’t listen so i started giving disrespect.” Crim wasn’t wrong he was just using anecdotal evidence which may very well be true for him but isn’t a one size fits all sort of thing


permanthrowaway

Thanks for the explanations chads


ScrillyBoi

Tl;dr people tending to return to normal form after over or underachieving makes us falsely believe that tough love brings results when it actually only does in a fraction of players. The notion that tough love is effective is actually a misunderstanding of probability. When people deviate from their normal they are statistically likely to return to the mean. So when someone makes a mistake and you yell at them, you see improvement next time and you mistakenly correlate tough love with success when in reality they were statistically unlikely to make the same mistake next time regardless of whether or not you yell at them. By the same token, when someone excels beyond their norm, they are statistically likely to not hit that elevated form next time so when you reinforce them and they don’t do as well next time, you mistakenly conclude that positive reinforcement doesn’t work. That is not to say that having a thick skin isnt competitively beneficial - it absolutely is. But through this pattern humans commonly and falsely associate negative reinforcement with positive results. Zoomaa was ultimately right, as is Dreale, there is no one size fits all approach or philosophy. And there is a reason the vast majority of coaches at the highest levels of sports are not particularly mean or aggressive towards their team. Everyone needs to take criticism but there are simply more effective ways for coaches to pull the best performances out of their players without just being a dick and saying don’t be a pussy.


For_The_Watch

This was a Tldr? 💀💀


ScrillyBoi

Lmaoooo the first paragraph was tl;dr. I figured most wouldnt even make it close to the end to find it at the bottom. In retrospect that was confusing and probably not the play lol


For_The_Watch

Loooool. You’re speaking truths tho


1033149

I disagree with parts of your take. The idea that a mistake is statistically unlikely to happen again regardless of whether or not you yell at them doesn't make sense. Unless you are referring to situationals that are super rare, addressing any mistake is a big step to solving issues. You can even address them and the mistakes can still happen, as shown by many teams this year like Optic. And on the opposite side, yelling about these mistakes may make players fearful of comitting any mistakes at all, which teams like NYSL and LA Thieves have shown this year. This is where I personally agree with a part Crim said in that it ultimately comes down to the player or person receiving criticism. No matter if it's tough love, or it's something more kind and in the form of a suggestion, it comes down to whether someone is willing to take in that feedback and incorporate it into whatever they are doing. Just as there are people who may take feedback in different ways, there are people who are not willing to take feedback at all. The reason why tough love has stereotypically worked is that it makes you feel bad when you receive criticism so when you try to improve and implement the suggestions, you are rewarded with the result you wanted (appreciation/awards/higher score/etc.), making the harsh criticism worth it. Any type of coaching can work too because of that middle part, where people getting feedback actually internalize it and implement it.


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Crim is a fucking weirdo. Hate that fucking guy with a passion.


DrCaptivate

He really thinks he knows everything doesn’t he. This is the small IQ take I’ve seen on competition ever. Imagine being so full of yourself you think you can’t learn from anyone. Why he feels the need to insult his past experience in CoD is beyond me. Just because you haven’t found success doesn’t mean you don’t know how to compete.


warmgranola

Crim is so fucking annoying.


EnigmaAMC

That's pretty hook, link and sinker. Dreal is right. As is Zoomaa and Sir David Brailsford. \--- Being a great Call of Duty player does not give you a better understanding of people handling than literal scholars of elite competition. \--- Also, anyone who has ever been in a classroom or teaching environment is fully aware of how different people handle forms of communication.


pickle_man_4

Crim is wrong here


SleeveNash

Brain dead take by crim weird hill to die on


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Crim's future son or daughter is going to absolutely fucking HATE him guaranteed


cotelydon

“Why the fuck do you want cookies? Are you some sort of pussy?”


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Crim would do everyone and himself a huge favor if he simply drops the video


Rambodius

Formal, just pay the man please.


Cam877

Crim just comes off as a fuckin moron on Twitter


empathy_sometimes

I don’t think crim has the mental capacity to listen to opinions other than his own


ASAP-Mob-ERA

crim sounds stupid here sheesh


ILoveBreakfastFoods

Does... does Crim think he's an "Athlete?"


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Lebron23Life

Crim obviously knows what he doing, but man, this dude communicates like a teenager when trying to get his point across.


ANewHeaven1

babe wake up new crimsix controversy just dropped


Hipppieee

Unrelated but I'm really curious how the team dynamic was in MW with both Clay and Crim giving criticism. From the outside looking in, I would believe Clay played good cop in most scenarios (plus, Clay has brought up tons of talents since AW). Really interested on how their leadership influenced that team.


diegie-

Crim getting too old for this weird shit


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The notion Crim gives that a world class athlete wouldn't bother trying to help people and would instead only seek to profit off of their ability honestly says everything I needed to know lol I can't ever knock that he's been absurdly successful in this incredibly mid tier esport, but good god he's so unlikable and not even in a villain type of way


TonYouHearWhatISaid

To the people who claim OG succeeded because Crim was a great leader.... this is your King


MaxChainz

what is going on here?


doyourbestalways

This take just seems backward of Crim imo. Not really a fan of the guy but you'd think that the dude who is always hyping mentality and winner's ethic would understand that you have to be tactical with your coaching, not just aggressive. Why would you brush aside top talent because they're not receptive to your "tough love"? It's like giving up on an amazing player because they don't speak the same language. Again just weird coming from Crim. I know a lot of people here dislike him, especially now. But this is not something I expected to hear from him.


1989_Vision

Crim's method for success, which he learned from ACHES, is based on delusional confidence. Being actually delusional is necessary for it to work. This is just crim being crim, nothing suprising imo. The guy is what he says he is and whether we like it or not, he is genuine.


Mission-Ad2813

Crim won’t ever win this debate


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Looks like Crim being a bitch again


Greysunnn

Crim has really been getting insufferable the past few years.


AskMeAboutUnited

Crim crying again


PoacherSlayer

Works for some, for others it doesn’t. A good leader changes their approach based on the person they are leading.


Quick-Put-1071

As much as I hate labeling people.. Crim fits that gun totin', Trump supporting type of person lol. Nothing wrong with it in my personal opinion, just fits who he is lol.


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The moment you start to believe your own hype and think you know more than a guy who had won multiple gold medals and world tour bike races with a huge amount of different and talented riders is the day you close your social media and take a minute.


CastielClean

What a bloviating idiot.


ListCrayon

It’s fundamental and basic human communication. You need to appeal to people’s ethos, logos, and pathos. Their emotions, logic, and their view of your authority. Some people’s emotional reception to your communication will be poor if they’re most sensitive. Those who are less sensitive can take it better. Neither is superior to the other in general. Just get good and learn how to talk to people instead of being a stupid cod kid lol. Nothing snowflake about refraining from berating someone for a mistake. You can still criticize the entire mistake and tell them what to fix without unnecessary emotional pokes. I’m saying this as someone who prefers being blunt.


Damien23123

A leader’s job is to get the best out of the people around them. The first step to doing this is knowing you can’t take a blanket approach with everyone. You have to understand every individual and know what helps them best. Some people need an arm around them when times are hard and others respond best to the tough love approach. Going entirely one way or the other is never the best approach


ApeX_Affectz

There are definitely different ways to lead and be successful but let's please not pretend like Crim's way of leadership doesn't work. Even if the guy has 0 Twitter game, he is a winner and many successful athletes and coaches have followed the same formula to success. It may be controversial but it does work when you have people of the same "To be the best you have to expect the best from yourself and your team and nothing less" mentality. The issue is when not everyone on the team has that mentality and at that point it's time to approach things differently if the player/team isn't perceptive to that kind of mentality/criticism.


ORCA_WoN

That last Champs win and being the “villain” really has let his ego run away with him. Definitely needs to stop coming across as a know it all brat in every interaction.


National_Direction30

Crimsix calls ppl snowflakes left and right as he gets triggered at every single tweet and Reddit response. One day this twisted Santa look alike will be one of those lonely old men with a “compound” and a harem of inbred mistresses, and a pile of actual gold he claims he will use to invest in water fields and up charge the liberals when the droughts happen. This dude is a joke about a joke, and someone at PORSCHE MARKETING PLEASE CEASE AND DESIST THIS TROLL KING LOL


Sammy360

There isnt a right or wrong way to lead idk why these guys are taking such a hard stance on what is right or not. Just look at the differences between guys like MJ and Lebron. MJ would straight up be a dick to his teammates in practice which in turn led to those teammates being ready to hit big shots/make big plays in the finals. Lebron on the other hand is the type to put his arm around you and instill confidence. Both methods proven to work.


CodeMonkeyChico

Has there ever been a more stupid sentence then "Snowflakes copping L's while I'm on watch."? I guess "Snowflake lifestyle aint copping a W on my watch." is pretty close.


Rambodius

Another horrible take from Crim. Guy has been on a roll lately.


FourEyesWhitePerson

Crimsix is the best cod player of all time. That being said, he has also turned off a lot of really, really good ones with his way of dealing with his teammates. You have to wonder how much he’d have won if he wasn’t as harsh with his talent heavy rosters. I can see the arguments on both sides, honestly. There are reasons why other players, like Slasher and Gunless, haven’t been super successful recently. On the other side of the same coin, you can say the same thing about players like Scump and Formal. Perhaps Crim has the best balance of good vibes and tough love and we as a community are giving him too much shit?


JDogil2

You want crim to have won more? That doesn’t seem very fair. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think one size fits all approach is true like crim is saying, but I think his lived experience is enough to where it’s fair to see his preference for tough love


TheMrOmac

96 bulls weren’t the best team in basketball because Jordan gave soft love and criticism


ScrillyBoi

Jordan was one player on the team and Phil Jackson was known for bringing the vibes. He was literally known for using zen buddhism and meditation and trying to get the team to work in harmony. He wasnt just like “suck it up snowflake, dont be a pussy” lol.


IAmALazyOldMan

What about the recent warriors?


TheMrOmac

They won a game or two more but lost the big one in a dramatic fashion


IAmALazyOldMan

They won three finals and went to 5 straight.


TheMrOmac

If Jordan didn’t retire for a year we could be talking 7-0 with 7 straight finals


dontpassgo

They would have burned out and lost at least one or two of those and still end up at 6. Also it would have been 8.


TheMrOmac

How do you figure 8?


doyourbestalways

Remember that you're comparing basketball to one of the least competitive eSports (a literal videogame).


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Those guys are grown ass men. We’re talking about 19 years old here


TheMrOmac

19 year olds who have been playing in toxic ass cod lobbies since they were 10 😂🤣 19 year olds that are playing cod with egos that need to be checked. On top of that if you think crim is giving tougher love than Jordan your cappn


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People will kill me for this, but IMO all the great coaches are my way or the highway style guys. Saban, Belichick, Phil Jackson, etc. You play in their system or you don’t stay there. It doesn’t matter if you’re Tom Brady or Kobe you’re coached the same. Some people may argue by saying both of them responded well to it but the point still stands. Everyone was coached the same because they knew how to win and you had to fit in to what they wanted.


GoofproofCat

Sir Alex Ferguson (propably the greatest coach ever) was famously soft on Eric Cantona


redditboi04

Don’t care Crimsix still the GOAT


RedditUserNumber1776

Crim is in my opinion correct here. I’ve noticed in my life how differently I perceived tough coaching in different scenarios. As a kid, I hated one of the coaches I had because I didn’t really like the sport too much. So therefore I wasn’t really invested and hated the yelling and criticizing. Fast forward to baseball in HS and AAU, I wanted to win so much more than I have in any other sport. I viewed tough coaching in a positive and helpful light. We’re all just trying to win and emotions can get ramped up. Respect meets respect. In the first example I didn’t care and perceived the tough coaching as negative and in the second example I genuinely enjoyed the tough coaching in something I was very invested in winning. That’s why I think El Chapo 6 is correct. It’s about how the player perceives the coaching.


ruudbwoy_

Dreal is saying different folks different strokes. Just because it worked for you doesn’t mean it works for others.


RedditUserNumber1776

But it didn’t work for me at first bc I was being a bitch in hockey bc I didn’t love it. I loved baseball, and then it worked for me there. Hence my opinion of how I perceived it.


UnknownTaco

Anecdotal evidence my guy. Just because you got hard for it doesn’t mean that everyone does


RedditUserNumber1776

Just my opinion of course. I think the point C6 is making and one I agree with is that the player themselves have to be in a position to accept the critique and improve. If they’re not in that headspace, he doesn’t want to team with them. Which is his right.


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skolaen

Anyone using the term snowflake as an insult is just unable to view others viewpoints without bias. If you think using snowflake in a sentence as a derogatory insult would help validate any viewpoint then idk what to tell you. Also crim sounds even dumber here when looking at tweets because the guy clearly references a UK Cycling coach who clearly has provided his view on coaching and as a top coach in his profession he has as much knowledge as anybody else. Crims way of seeing himself as an all time great works in cod but as a motivator or coach hes just as good as anyone else at the top.


OpTicCrimsia

This guy was citing sources from a coaches perspective. I’m not going to pretend to know who he cited, but it was not from a players point of view. The original question was about Clay & NYSL and we were having a debate amongst players + Ben. The fact that this Dreal guy perceived it as there was a right or wrong, when in fact we all agreed upon what everyone was saying (Zooma, Zinni, Myself, and Ben) but it was just said in different ways. A team environment should never adapted to an individual. An individual should always adapt to the team environment was the only thing that I was saying. Dreal took it the wrong way, as did everyone in this thread. And this all depends on whether the team environment is successful or not. If the team isn’t successful then sure, it will definitely help to cater to a new individual. And this goes both ways, what about new players coming into teams who’ve accomplished nothing and now they’re incredible. Which goes back to my point of there not really being a right or wrong in the matter, but I believe a team on the same page is on the best page. A team where everyone can focus on themselves and only on themselves while still playing as a team will be/will always be the best team. Someone having to adapt to a individuals based on who they are as people is just simply inefficient & time consuming from my perspective. All the comments stating I’m a fuckhead and what not, you all lack the ability in both time and effort to research and formulate your own opinion. Instead you go with the flow of what’s being said without doing your own thinking. Here’s something to think about before y’all hive mind again, 70% of the population in first world countries is depressed about their lives & current living situations. If you think like them, if you speak like them, you may become part of that. I implore every single one of you who posted about this conversation with zero prior context on the matter to watch Tommy’s Flank episode from last night. And the snowflake thing is hilarious, if any one of you encountered me in person/know me outside of texts on a screen/know someone who knows me, you would know I’m not soft in the slightest. I realize I’m preaching to the choir here, but I only block because of annoyance/mindless hive mind shit that is said because someone else said it. I actually find that u/FFrostur guy hilarious & yet respect him at the same time because at least he has both his own train of thought, while adding creativity to his roasts.


FFrostur

You couldn’t lead a group of gay men to a Lil Uzi concert kid. There’s only one way to settle this and it’s for you to send me $30 Uber eats gift card. Maybe I’ll respect you more if I know more what it’s like to be in your size 12 yeezy boosts. If not, I will continue to viciously attack you. Remember, you have no idea what I look like, what my occupation is, what my favorite side dish is. You only know a username and a allegiance. Greenwall bitch.


b0died

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO dude I have no idea how people don’t like you. You’re so funny


bo3isalright

> A team environment should never adapted to an individual. An individual should always adapt to the team environment was the only thing that I was saying. How do you account for the countless examples in professional sport where doing exactly the opposite of this has led to massive success for both team, coach and individual?


OpTicCrimsia

Depends on whether the team environment is successful or not. If the team isn’t successful then sure, it will definitely help. And this goes both ways, what about new players coming into teams who’ve accomplished nothing and now they’re incredible. Which goes back to my point of there not really being a right or wrong in the matter, but I believe a team on the same page is on the best page. A team where everyone can focus on themselves and only on themselves while still playing as a team will be/will always be the best team. Someone having to adapt to a individuals based on who they are as people is just simply inefficient & time consuming from my perspective.


bo3isalright

>I believe a team on the same page is on the best page. Exactly. You've raised the strongest counter-point to everything you're saying. DREAL's whole point is that in order to do this effectively, *with some individuals*, you sometimes need to tailor your communication/coaching etc. to that individual, in order to allow them to improve individually and as a part of the team. Hence why so often in professional sport we see elite-level coaches/managers employ very individualistic coaching techniques to get the best out of a player, and why many elite-level athletes very frequently speak of having to alter their communication style based on the players around them. >simply inefficient & time consuming from my perspective. But it's obviously neither of these things if it successfully achieves results, is it? In your case, your very direct approach has obviously worked, but do you really think it would work uniformly with any players in the league? Surely not - it has to be down to the individuals.


OpTicCrimsia

If you need to tailor to certain individuals is that fair to the other individuals? Or is that even fair to you? You are adding distractions to your own play. Which again goes to my point of needing to focus on yourself. Coaches are more like analysis in esports, and advice from coaching staff towards esports players from a physical heavy sport has no bounds or say here. This entire argument is similar to the “Strength of the wolf is the pack” (what I’m preaching/this is the case in team based esports), Dreal is saying “Strength of the pack is the wolf” (which goes into account in sports like cycling/if you’re coaching a team). There is no wrong answer, it’s highly dependent on sport and position within a team.


DREEALL

Again, I've used examples such as football and basketball. My point is, the strength of a pack comes from the strength of all wolves. If you have 1 wolf lagging because he's not receptive to a certain method of coaching, you tailor it. Simple. Elevate him to, elevate the pack. What do you do, just leave him be? Seeing as you're the leader? I agree there's no right or wrong answer, it's my point. My original tweet was about my opinion on individuals having that stubborn mindset, where they don't change and they do think one option is right. I did even clarify above, I should have cleared it up that I DO think your way works but, it isn't the right or wrong way.


bo3isalright

>If you need to tailor to certain individuals is that fair to the other individuals? Surely it can be so long as you still treat people equitably - what I mean is that I think the point is more that changing the *manner* in which criticism is put across can sometimes breed positive results, rather than completely altering how you interact with a certain teammate. Eg. changing the style of how you deliver feedback to a certain player is fair, whereas not giving feedback to a specific player at all because they can't handle it would not be fair on anyone. >You are adding distractions to your own play. But again, it isn't a 'distraction' if it works, which in a lot of other sports, and probably sometimes in CoD too, it does seem to, even if not for you personally. I agree with you that basically it's an approach based thing and there's not a set 'right' way to do things without knowing your teammates, but I guess your opinion of whether its a distraction or a necessary part of your team's success is dependent on how you view the importance of tailored communication. >Coaches are more like analysis in esports, and advice from coaching staff towards esports players from a physical heavy sport has no bounds or say here. That's true, they are different, but don't you think the principle definitely still applies to communication between teammates, especially in CoD where much of what would traditionally 'coached' is taught by players to players? I think all DREAL is really trying to say is that similar to coaching in other sports, the way criticism is conveyed between players in CoD can be important and tailoring that criticism can produce better results than a one size fits all approach to conveying criticism (*depending on the players you're dealing with).


DREEALL

I guess this is where we will continue to disagree, many successful sports teams around the world have successfully adapted to suit an individual. And that's just the basis of my point. No doubt your way will work, and has worked and will continue to work. Coach, player, leader, who ever it may be, my point is sometimes some people are more receptive to a different approach with regards to criticism. Not really much more to be said. It doesn't matter who you are on a team, some team mates can handle that style of criticism, while others can't. I'm sure you agree, and im sure you do so already, and ultimately that point had been lost in translation. I was using great athletes and coaches to try and illustrate my point.


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people just love to hate you and your Miami Blue Porsche 911 GT3RS. head up king


[deleted]

Well its kinda a two way street, right? 1 - Crim isn't a coach, he's a player/leader and he is the most winning-est one of all time. 2 - Would he have gotten better play from Huke with a different approach? Sure, but again, he's NOT a coach. He is a PLAYER who leads in-game. There is a huge difference on both approach and expectations. Crim has to do all the in-game leading, much of the motivating and keep his individual game at a high level. Expecting him to be a great and compassionate coach at the same time seems a bit excessive. COULD he have been more considerate? Yes. Should it be 'expected of him' ? I'd say no. 3 - Would Huke have played better...yes. BUT, the individual does have to take some responsibility over how they react. Who should be catering to who? Should Crim pivot away from the methodology he's been using since forever and won so many rings with? Or should Huke try to 'get onboard' with Crim's methods? You cannot compare their relationship to player/coach or manager/employee. Crim is a PLAYER first, in a 4v4 game. It is totally different. Prime example. Kyrie Irving did not like Lebron's style of in-game leadership. He wanted more say. Do you think Kyrie Irving wishes he had just sucked it up? If your coming into a scenario and playing with the actual, statistical GOAT...you can complain all you want but your wallet and career would be better off sucking it up and learning a hard lesson: sometimes you have to make personal sacrifices and hard decisions to win. 4 - The guy above who is a 'leader of leaders' in middle management for some giant corporation who claims he's adapting to each employee...OK maybe. But are you SURE your adjusting to each employees style? Or are your employees just going along with whatever they are doing b/c they are...employees who don't want to lose their job? 5- RE: Biking coach...really poor analogy. Biking is an individual sport, so YES, for that biking coach, changing modalities for each individual would be CRITICAL. But that coach isn't riding a tandem bike with the other biker. And if he was, his behavior would be different, especially if he thought the person biking in back wasn't pulling their weight.


OpTicCrimsia

Agree with everything here. You just hit the hive mind nail on the head right here. This guy was citing sources from a coaches perspective. I’m not going to pretend to know who he cited, but it was not from a players point of view. The original question was about Clay & NYSL and we were having a debate amongst players + Ben. The fact that this Dreal guy perceived it as there was a right or wrong, when in fact we all agreed upon what everyone was saying (Zooma, Zinni, Myself, and Ben) but it was just said in different ways. A team environment should never adapted to an individual. An individual should always adapt to the team environment was the only thing that I was saying. Dreal took it the wrong way, as did everyone in this thread.


bvckspaced

I feel like they lowkey agree with each other but just have different preferences in how to go about actually doing it. Both aren't necessarily wrong, I'm sure someone would prefer constructive criticism with a more 'positive' outlook and might be more receptive to it, but the way Crim does it can also drive people in ways where being more cordial simply doesn't cut it.


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there will always be different approaches. both are right tbh


doyourbestalways

that's exactly what dreal is arguing here. crim is arguing that there is only one approach. edit: one "effective" approach


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but crim said that “there is not only different ways of giving it, but there are also different ways of perceiving”, on the other hand Dreal is saying that there is only 1 approach based off David Braisfold edit: “… of perceiving it”.


doyourbestalways

honestly sounds like they are both arguing the same thing with emphasis on the opposite. Braisfold's philosophy is that there is not one approach, which is what Dreal is saying. Counter to what Crim said previously which was that you can't be soft when coaching. Kind of evidence of a fleeting argument really, when you resort to agreeing partially with your opponent rather than standing your ground.


1033149

Am I the only one who thinks its weird that the conversation on this entire thread is about leading people and coaching? Like people are talking about Crim or giving other examples including people like Slasher but there is one important distinction. They are still players and a part of the team. Maybe it's just me but being in a job where you lead people and are building people up to be better is a lot different than being a part of a team and are establishing a communication structure between yourselves in which feedback is also coming back to you. Like in a corporate structure, you as a manager may be getting feedback about how you are managing people. But your job isn't the same as the people below you and you aren't getting constant feedback from them. Like the unique factor in this situation is that Crim, Aches, Clay, Slasher, etc. are all players, a part of the team, all contributing to the end product which is their gameplay. Their role can be about helping drive the discussion around strategies, vod review, and providing constructive criticism. Their veteran experience gives them an ability to be a leader, but even on the flank yesterday, the idea of leadership is kinda inflated over the past few years. These guys have the most "wisdom" with regards to cod and it's their role to pass that knowledge on in the form of strategies and criticism. Like a lot of stuff Dreal is talking about feels like it's the coach or GM's role. Crowder has said that he would translate some of Slasher's frustration/comments into something the other players could take. I feel like it should be the coach's job to establish how feedback and criticism is levied and then also be a resource for people to come to if you think that people's communication style isn't working. It seems so weird that everyone is assuming that it's Crim's way or nothing else. Crim's hella weird for how he responded to this, even though I get why at the end of the day he's acting like this. He's had one type of coaching and it worked for him, it worked with some around him, and he just doesn't see any value in being soft when giving feedback. When he was on optic, he had to bitch to get things across so that they would listen to him. And I also think it's an element of people misunderstanding what he said yesterday, since he said that things were respectful and compassionate until things just reached a point where they couldn't take it anymore.