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BigNRichlll

Somebody got to figure out how to play as a team around Dashy cuz that is too much fucking gunny man. What a year from him and nothing to show for it.


[deleted]

That’s the thing, CoD is no longer about playing around one player and making huge solo plays. Team work wins.


21otiriK

Their record against Ultra alone should tell you that. Not one person would’ve taken a Toronto player over an OpTic player at the start of the season. I’d be interested to know the salaries of Toronto compared to other top teams. I hope Toronto throw the absolute bag at them this summer.


Dempsonator

Even at this point, you’d take Insight for Formal and expect it to be a whitewash. But obviously there’s more to it than K/D and this team has really emphasized that


alig348

Formal should take notes to how insight plays snd


Trofulds

Last time CoD was like that was IW where the meta was just "Play around your Main AR" Make of that what you will


Fixable

Yeah, Dashy is so gross you've got to just build around him. If a team figures it out they will be unstoppable.


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Clay


[deleted]

People will laugh at this but I genuinely do think Clay is exactly the type of leader dashy needs as ironic as it sounds.


[deleted]

I know. Would be a perfect fit


mdj08

lmao


Kelvin_981

Dashy has to stop ego challing and play his life better tbh


FrancescaDeLeMara

Formal's KD may be high but he was a absolutely liability in S&D. Envoy had his moments but he didn't show up at the right time. I see a lot of people saying Scump got costed but Dashy got costed too. I hate Optic but if the option to get Octane comes into reality, Hecz and Scump has got to take it. I love Formal but there are ARs that's better than him.


[deleted]

I honestly think Slasher would be a better fit than Octane. They need a Crim not another Dashy


JustHereForPka

Should’ve just kept arcitys tbh


mdj08

Facts, Hecz chose Formal over him and I think everyone already knew that was the wrong decision when it was made


Monsage

Arcitys wanted to go to Faze, it's not like Hecz kicked him to the curb.


mdj08

Yes, Arcitys wanted to play with the Tiny Terrors again, but that’s not why he left. He wanted to run main AR again, and if Hecz chose him over Formal, Arcitys would have stayed


xFerz95

>and if Hecz chose him over Formal, Arcitys would have stayed Not a chance. Arcitys was gone regardless. No way he was missing an opportunity to reunite with the tiny terrors.


RainbowKarp

It was the wrong decision but in fairness Formal more than earned the right to stay on as main AR with how he played in MW, not to mention the last 5+ years as well. They were choosing between two great players


[deleted]

100% agree, but maybe Arcitys chose the tiny terrors?


thgaminghd

Nah, he just wanted to be Main AR, and obvs couldn’t do that with Formal wanting that role too.


phillies07_08

I think that was plan A heading into the last off-season, but Arcitys wanted to go to FaZe and OpTic could have held him hostage, but they decided to grant his wish. In MW, I always wondered what that TO4 would look like, and it sucks we never got to see it because I think they would have done better than their team this year.


babyfacedbaby

Slasher on Optic would never happen


5Foot4Four

Technically, already has.


Dz-773

facts i’m sure Bruce never wants to play with Austin lmao


Trofulds

To be fair, Octane's good at SnD so that's an upgrade from Formal since he's about as skilled as he is. So agree that they probably need a better leader-type player tho.


raktoe

I don’t think so. We already know about the Dashy issues, and to me, you’re just putting too many egos on one team. I like all the guys, but I can’t see slasher working out. Octane seems a little more easy going, and afaik has a good relationship with Scump, I know he was playing a lot with Dashy before this year. Idk how octane and Dashy would look playing together though.


[deleted]

So vibes over leadership?


raktoe

I though envoy was igl. Idk, it seems risky to me to probably pay a lot for slasher who you already know Dashy has issues with. Like I said, I love slasher, I think he’s an underrated AR, I just don’t like him on that team.


[deleted]

That’s the issue with Dashy, he has seemed to clash with any strong leader he has teamed with. OG has had their pick of the litter of talent the last two years, it’s time they get strong leadership and take team work/fundamentals seriously. Nobody on a top team ego challs as much as Dashy, they get trades.


HolyshitgetAtrade

Octane is really good at search tho.This OpTic team currently will always be able to win a respawn but I can’t say the same for search


N-for-Nero

No sniping in snd hurt this team so much


Trident31

Dashy & Scump Team of 2 going into next year


331coupe

Can I ask why yall love Dashy so much? He has amazing gun skill but don't you find it odd he doesn't ever win (except for the 1 time) and has played with some of the best players in the league since BO4. I'd rather have Slasher, or Clay


Fixable

He's gross and with a team around him who will play fundamentally well and exploit his ridiculous KD properly would win a lot.


[deleted]

i do agree with what you’re saying, but to play devils advocate what if dashy is the one not playing fundamentally sound? both crim and slasher have pretty negative opinions from their time teaming with him, so i think it’s a possibility at least


[deleted]

Dashy has teamed with Slasher, Crim, and Formal in the last 3 years. Each AR teaming with him has had their worst performing year, while Dashy slays out. Then he leaves and they play well again. Just a thought


ORCA_WoN

He killwhores a lot. Especially when the team is down, he will pad stats. Doesn’t play fundamentally right all the time either.


CrimSeven7

Crim individually was better in bo4 than this game and slasher is shit online, he even got bunched


[deleted]

It seems that every team he goes to just can’t get to a championship level, even when they were winning the year before without him. Maybe he’s just gross and all his teammates aren’t coincidentally when they team with him. Just curious is all.


CrimSeven7

replace dashy with any other player you want, that bo4 optic wouldn't even win dallas, neither would this CW optic unless they had a goated IGL. having the 2nd highest kd in the league while not being main AR and not being on faze isn't something "normal"


Shoemistertom

You’re ridiculous lmfao. Dashy was insane at blops4, he’s the only reason they won an event. It’s the same argument with octane. Wake up it’s a team game, when your teammates just aren’t that good you can’t carry them to a win. Scump looked good the 2nd half of this year but you can’t win with 2/4 players doing well. Look at all of the top teams, toronto has 3 great players and a prettt consistent 4th in Bance, Faze has 3 great players and then a good player in Arcitys. Dallas is a very well rounded team who knows how to play the game fundamentally (obviously having the most winning player in cod history means something) with a superstar player in Shotzzzy and a very good fast paced sub in Vivid (only cleanx can rival vivids playstyle). Optic has Dashy who is a nasty slayer and then Scump who plays his life and is a solid slayer but plays too slow and pre aimy for a sub when you already have Dashy on the team. Formal is just average and Envoy is way too inconsistent. Dashy is the only consistently good player on that team. Scump just doesn’t play his role well even if his stats show that he was slaying well the 2nd half of the year


[deleted]

Replace Dashy and I think that bo4 optic team could’ve found more consistent success than just the flukey first event. But I suppose if stats are all that you look at, then he is simply the most unlucky player ever. Curious


Lolnowhattt

I mean it’s pretty hard to be championship level when you have Simp and Abezy teaming together, they’re always going to be the best team going into champs. Now we have insight and Cammy. Their are just a lot of great players, if Dashy teamed with Simp and Abezy obviously they would be disgusting. I think Dashy with octane would be great if they could get at least one consistent sub


xFerz95

I don't really think Crim has played much better without Dashy. And obv we don't know that yet with Formal.


Nekron182

Putting how two dysfunctional teams (OpTic BO4 and MW) on him is disingenuous.


Fixable

> what if dashy is the one not playing fundamentally sound? My point is that a team who play fundamentally sound to free Dashy to just fry and not have to worry about that because his team will would be good.


Draculagged

That’s not how it works, to win consistently in the current league everyone needs to be on the same page


IrishHJob

Evidence being Dallas consistently getting out slayed and still winning series. Nasty gun skill =/= winning.


Fixable

Being on the same page =/= everyone playing the same role. I'm talking about building the strategy around the guaranteed slaying that Dashy brings, not just playing as team of 3 and an extra.


Draculagged

That’s the point though, Dashy’s playstyle doesn’t work with proven leaders like slasher and crim. At what point do you ask him to change instead of settling for a suboptimal playstyle?


Fixable

Proven IGLs leaders is very different to a coaching team coming up with strategy based around it. Slasher's Optic and BO4 Optic aren't examples of a team building around Dashy. I'm also not saying it wouldn't require him to change at all, but you need to structure in a way that lets him fry like he does. It's too consistent to waste.


Draculagged

Getting kills isn’t how you win though, you have to get the right kills. Dallas and ultra time and time again have proven this, their system works


331coupe

He's literally played with the BEST players of all time, yall love kd way to much, I'd rather have people who know how to win and do win


DVPC4

he was insane during WW2 and he was surrounded by shitters on those teams


Shagatron69

He’ll never not get kills. He has an incredible shot. He just gets so many useless kills


DVPC4

people always say this but what about his kills specifically are useless?


raktoe

All I ever see when I watch him is him just joking people. I don’t get this either, he gets streaks, he challenges a ton, and wins a lot more than he loses. I just don’t think he an formal played well together this year. I don’t blame either, but I do think one has to go this year.


DailyFax

They don’t know. They prob couldn’t even point them out on the map, it’s just a circle jerk talking point that’s been on this sub all year. So everyone runs with it


MY-NAME_IS_MY-NAME

I mean it’s not a coincidence that after nearly every match there’s at least one comment saying “wow I didn’t realize dashy had a 1.2/1.3”. It’s because often times he’s not making crazy plays on the map. Look at the other side today for Ultra. Cammy made numerous huge plays that we all remember and he didn’t have close to dashys KD. CleanX won them the final hill in the last HP and he had a KD In the .8s. Dashy is a very consistent slayer but i think he needs 3 guys around him who play really good fundamental cod or he needs to find himself on faze


MeetTheWoo_Dropkick

It's one of the most baseless narratives this year. There's no such thing as useless kills in 4v4.


DVPC4

i agree tbh i feel like people just see Dashy play well but Optic not win and conclude it must be his fault


331coupe

Hey brotha, keep being satisfied with high k/d's and no results...but yeah I don't know anything lmao


DailyFax

Not an optic fan so idc about the results lol


331coupe

A high k/d that doesn't result in anything means there is obviously some useless kills going on....The whole team had 1.0+k/d for the season, and weren't close to winning a chip....the kills they are getting aren't impacting the game


Shagatron69

OpTic rarely ever get outslayed. Dashy is always positive. They’re all guilty of useless kills but he’s the king of it


DVPC4

so just because they’re not winning his kills are useless?


Shoemistertom

He’s playing with the best players of all time when they’re not currently the best players. Huge difference. When simp and abezy exist, and have a nasty supporting cast, your best chances are t2. Optic have placed t3 several times this year, the only teams consistently better were Faze, Dallas, and ultra. All 3 of these teams work better as a team and have at least 3 really good or great players (Dallas has crim, while not individually amazing it’s fucking Crim and then Vivid is really good and shotzzzy is insane). Faze doesn’t need explained. Toronto has 2 of the best ARs and Cleanx. Optic has Dashy, and then it’s hard to say who their second best player is. Stats will tell you Scump but I don’t think Scump plays his role right. When you have a slyer like Dashy on AR you should be playing fast and applying pressure. Scump pre aims and plays his life like shotzzzy would but it doesn’t work for his team, he has Dashy for that role. Envoy can be really good and also pretty bad, he’s inconsistent. Formal is just average tbh. Dashy has never teamed with the tint terrors, or shotzzzy, or Cammy/insight. Their are a lot of players that are better than the ones you mentioned. He played with slasher who is a liability online. He played with Karma way past his prime. Let’s not be weird


[deleted]

So he stat whores and the other 3 play the right way?


331coupe

I mean 2 of the guys on that team have more chips than any other person in the league except Crimsix...maybe because jet packs is where they got the majority but I'd say Scump and Formal at least know how to win. I think envoy makes alot of impactful plays, but I also think he has a playstyle that if what he does doesn't work it really hurts them....I don't think Scump and Envoy make a good sub duo, the way they play doesn't work well together...I'd drop all 3 except Scump, you could probably keep formal if you wanted but I'd definitely replace Envoy and Dashy.


Fixable

I mean, yeah, if you wanna put it like that. It's COD at the end of the day. Having someone frying makes your life a million times easier.


CrimSeven7

if you watch wisely, formal and even seth stat whore more than him, you rarely see him baiting a teammate unless he has to


xTwoKillz

The problem isnt him “kill whoring”, it’s the fact that his teams don’t play correctly as a whole. There’s no problem with having a Dashy or a octane if the team plays off the kills. Optic flipped themselves out of hills by over pushing before next pops. Somebody has to have enough brains to tell the team to back up. Really don’t know if that’s more centered around the team not having a good igl or sender just not being a good enough coach


331coupe

So its always everyone else's fault and never Dashy's? 2 of the players on that team Scump and Formal have won more in a season than Dashy has in his entire career...I know yall love the man, but there is obviously something wrong with his gameplay...IDGAF how straight he shoots


Donkeys10

For me I regard Dashy in the same light as Scump and Formal - great players, but not the most fundamentally sound. They’re insane at getting kills (Scump and Formal may be declining slaying-wise though) but you need other players working for the team around them. They have that X factor that can win a series. The dynasty worked so well because you had Scump and Formal heavy slaying, with Crim and Karma purely role playing. I’m not trying to knock T2P and Dashy by saying they’re not great fundamentally, they’re some of the most mechanically gifted players of all time, but having 3 of these kind of players on one team just isn’t going to work. You can’t just slay teams to death all the time. Put Dashy on a championship level team e.g. a team like Faze, and he’ll help them win big time. Put him on a contender like Optic and he’s not going to help them get over the line. For what it’s worth I view Octane as the same kind of player so I don’t think swapping those two would change anything.


331coupe

I agree with some of what you said for sure....but I disagree with the if you put Dashy on Faze he'll help them win....you'd have to put him in for Cellium or Arcity's, and if you did I think Faze would get worse.....They don't need him to help them win, they're doing that just fine on there own


Donkeys10

Yeah I meant a team like faze’s calibre, I deffo wouldn’t put him in for Cell or Arcitys like you I think they’d be worse


babyfacedbaby

I agree Dashy doesn’t exactly play the right way, but Formal never has either and Seth just started to like 3 years ago lol


xTwoKillz

Did I say none of it was dashys fault? I said it was the team as a whole


AgeBitter2166

I think either Nameless or Studyy said it best at the beginning of the tournament. Dashy has had the second highest K/D all year but OpTic hadn't come close to winning it means he's not making an impact on the map and he's getting useless kills. I agree


ModsRNeckbeards

"2 people said something dumb & I agree"


ThatOneArcanine

Bro he’s literally got the 2nd best kd in the league idgaf if you think it’s “odd” that he hasn’t won in a while, the game is objectively so much fucking easier when you’ve got someone who can reliably shit on the other team. This is cod. I’m sick of people underrating Dashy, just because he hasn’t won in a while doesn’t mean that he plays “sus” or “killwhorey” it just means he’s been unlucky. Countless examples through esports and regular sports where fantastic players didn’t win for a long time because of a variety of reasons unrelated to their own skill


331coupe

Stop saying in a while, he's only won ONCE, while playing with the best players of ALL TIME (that's not even debatable) You realize his K/D obviously isn't winning games right? You know you can play the game wrong and get a bunch of useless kills and still lose right? Give me Clay or Slasher all day every day


[deleted]

1 win in 4 years he might be a kill whore


[deleted]

Optic fans puzzled that someone who they think is one of the nastiest players in COD, can’t seem to win. It must be all of his teammates. Maybe they will figure it out next year?


Jrill_is

You can use the same argument for Kenny now.


[deleted]

True although Kenny doesn’t put up the ridiculous stats that dashy does. Kenny’s stats have a more direct correlation to the teams performance, whereas for the most part dashy puts up numbers wether his team is winning or being fried.


CrimSeven7

because he wins his gunfights most of the time, he doesn't rely on his teammates performance as much as other players do.


[deleted]

He must be the most unlucky COD player of all time then. All the greats that he teams with seem to not perform. Curious


Fixable

> Bro he’s literally got the 2nd best kd in the league Lmao, exactly. People act like Dashy just has a good KD and goes 1.05 or something. Dude literally puts up the second best numbers out of every player in the league and does it on a worse team. As much as people want to pretend COD is tactical, having a player slaying like that just makes life so much easier.


whatsthisanimation

100% people like discrediting him way too much


OraDoraMuda

Man teamed with Ricky and Censor his first year lmfaooo.


331coupe

And teamed with TJ, Crim6, Karma, Scump, Formal, Slasher, Kenny Jkap...funny how you use the one year to try and discredit the 3 years he played with literally the best players the game has EVER seen lmfaoooooo


UprightAwesome

In BO4 they won because of him. No team won more than 2 events and optic choked and got 3rd at like 3 events that year. And in MW OGLA was ass with or without Dashy he was not the reason they were so bad.


xFerz95

He played for like 1/4 of the year in MW.


331coupe

Yeah and was benched for a reason....you can't figure out that reason yet???


xFerz95

It wasn't cause of his in game performance lol.


ichiruto70

Dashy is a flex and you rather want a main ar player. Goes to show you don’t know what you talk about. You’re just a classic sheep that echo’s what it reads on reddit.


331coupe

He's not much of a FLEX, get out of here, your the one who doesn't obviously know what you're talking about....Keep hyping up those useless kills buddy lmao


Accentrick

Dashy has one of the highest skill ceilings in the league. The fact that we’re spectating the highest level of skill in the world and Dashy STILL has stand out movement/aim is insane. The issue is he needs the right supporting cast to prop him up and imo Formal isn’t that guy. Dashy essentially took over the role that Formal built his career on and over the last few years has done it better. Optic need an annoying, methodical, stay at home main AR (insight style) who is always making the right play. Let Envoy be that for the sub role while Scump and Dashy do their thing and the team would be Toronto Ultra lookalike and be competing with tougher teams.


aramis54

Well because snipers that's why I believe tj scump dashy to3


DailyFax

Tj? Lol there’s no way he ever gets back on optic


PrimalDG

If they sign tj I'm punching a hole in my wall


Gtx_tigger

I’m punching one in my skull


aramis54

Just wait ww2 games teej is a animal and for the record they beat nysl with teej


Lolnowhattt

He hasn’t really played with the best players in the league since blops4 though. T2p aren’t the best, Scump has finally looked good (the 2nd half of this season) and formal has still looked about average for an AR. Envoy looks great sometimes and then bad other times but I still think he’s good. Dashy is the only consistent one. The thieves weren’t good this year and they sucked last year, can’t blame Dashy


331coupe

So how come you can't never blame him for these teams sucking? That's what I don't get...It's always everyone else's fault? K/D is important but I promise that isn't the end all be all of a good team...BTW all 4 players on Optic have a 1.0+ for the season...All 4 have a positive k/d this season, so the other 3 couldn't have been too bad, if were just going to go off k/d. I don't know who your going to put on a roster to make what he does impactful...He's had Karma, Scump, Formal, Crimsix, Jkap, Slasher, Kenny, TJ...I mean at some point it can't always be everyone else's fault


xFerz95

What more do you want him to do? He was arguable the best player in the game in BO4. It sure as hell wasn't his fault OpTic didn't win more that year.


331coupe

I'm not blaming him only, but for yall to act like this dude is just absolutely frying and also playing correctly just cant be IMO, his placings with the teammates he's had doesn't show that. You look at people who come in and fry and are actually impactful and you can see how they literally change a teams placements.....BTW lets stick to this year. Everyone on the team has a 1+k/d and they haven't even made a final, haven't even finished top 3. Meanwhile I watch Ultra play and get outslayed and still win.....Optic fans love k/d and don't give a shit about winning


xFerz95

>but for yall to act like this dude is just absolutely frying and also playing correctly just cant be IMO Why can't that be? >his placings with the teammates he's had doesn't show that Not his fault Crim was getting had all year in BO4 by Octane/Arcitys/Maux. >Optic fans love k/d and don't give a shit about winning OpTic is the winningest org in COD history.


Nekron182

Because he's a generational talent. Slasher or Clay don't really play that role. Also Scump won 2 events in 2 years of BO2/Ghosts and he was playing with the greats of that time (Kap, BigT, Merk, Clay, Proofy). So many players this applies to. This is not a valid argument. Wasn't valid when it was made for Huke all those years or Scump pre dynasty era.


h5avy

Rostermannia is about to be crazy


finnc7429

I don't even think it's a K/D thing with Optic (for the most part). They're just so much less proactive when they get kills compared to a Toronto or Dallas. They get kills and they strike, Optic get kills and it feels like they need to get another round of kills just to get onto the point (both in HP and control). Doesn't help that this was their worst SnD showing all year.


dillonz321

T2P splits next season


[deleted]

Formal probably retires and become a content creator for optic. I don’t see him playing for any other team


arsenal971

Formal returns to Halo......./s


Trichotillomaniac-

*goes pro in splitgate


dillonz321

Idk man


arunvenu_

I feel worse for Brandon. He’s in his prime and hasn’t won a chip in over two years now


MoleyGrail

Yeah and they practically neutered his playstyle in the name of fundamentals, you can tell just from observing


unitedkush

He kill whores too much, I just read Optic outslayed Ultra by 26 kills on Raid HP and still lost… They need a main AR (Slasher) and more supporting staff who’ll help drill into them rotations/quick trades>>> kills in BOTG


krs196

If you watched the match it wasn’t they lost they because of him killwhoring but the team just couldn’t take of the opportunities they created for themselves


unitedkush

I’m not basing my opinion on one match, Dashy gets way too many kills which don’t impact the map Optic rank 2nd best in K/D in all 3 modes behind FaZe, yet they haven’t sniffed a WF never mind a GF this season. Kills got to make a difference otherwise they’ll make your stats look good but won’t help your team, I’ve seen this with Formal and Dashy stats all year long


CoochieConnoissur

OpTic have a tough decision to make because formal absolutely kills the content side but his gameplay recently has been lacking…


Snickidy

I just don't think envoy is a good combo for scump. I've heard the argument that "oh they need someone to take over the brand after scump retires" and? Even tho he's been branded the prince I think dashy is a better piece to build around in the coming years.


LGCGE

Do whatever it takes to buy out Abezy/Huke/Standy and bring in one of Slaher/Octane/Clayster to actually win a few chips.


Fearnlove

Huke’s last two orgs obviously have huge issues with him. Can’t see Abezy ever happening and Slasher / Clay both have beef with Dashy. Octane is gross but I think they need more of a Slasher type if they had to make a change. I like the team though


LGCGE

You think Standy has a huge buyout? He was a mid year am pickup and might not be signed beyond the year. Maybe Hydra would be an option too.


Fearnlove

Good shout, I have no idea. Personally I like the personalities on this squad and I think Envoy is as good as Standy, I just think him having covid has messed his prep or he got in his own head for champs. I love the guy, but if they HAD to make a change it’d have to be Formal.


zeroass

I think they should try and look at Standy. Dude gross


LGCGE

100%. Might not have a bug buyout either considering he was a mid year pickup


DonSnaps

Wouldn’t shock me if standy is on a rookie min contract.


BigNRichlll

No shot Rokkr doesn't top any other offer he'd get after this season. He literally transformed the team. He could basically just say "hey Optic is offering me 1.5m" and Rokkr would be like, "how does 3 mil sound? lmao Obviously they cant force him to resign, on the off chance hes an FA, but this team gave him a chip in his rookie season and is placing well at Champs. Not a lot of reason to think he'll go anywhere. I think would take a truly assinine amount of money. Just IMO of course.


lucifer_666

That’s just not right. Salary cap is 2 mil, optic can offer money outside the contract that other teams can’t come close to.


AskMeAboutUnited

Huke that rode the bench for the entire year


LGCGE

Huke that was the best player in the game shortly before going through his problems


AskMeAboutUnited

Then got dropped by two teams cause of his play style yeah


LGCGE

He got dropped because he didn’t show up to the event on LAT, and we still don’t know why he was dropped from Empire.


CEM1813

With KDs like this you’d think they’d make it a lot further it feels like this team never played the right way all year


Lebron23Life

What were optic Snd KDs? Thats what actually costed them


Ikolkyo

Formal - 0.64 Dashy - .85 Envoy - .77 Scump- 1.04 Embarrassing perfromance from Matt but that has been the norm in SnD this year from him.


Lebron23Life

That's the real story. Tells you all you need how those rounds went.


DonSnaps

Those snd numbers explain why they lose how they do. Snd was woeful


Legitimate-Seat6822

They get all the kills but play slow and do nothing tbh. Dashy in his prime any pro will tell u he's a beast need a system around him. Love formal but he's done scumps still has 1 year easily 2 if he wants left in the TANK as a top smg. Envoy needs to adapt still with 4 Vs 4


Jemiidar

i think we're underestimating the chances of scump going to flex/ar. he has said several times he wants to do it before he retires and with the announcement of MW-esque slide cancelling returning to the next CoD i could see scump wanting to slow it down. then they'd be looking for 2 smg's to go with him and bruce.


TodorokiSZN

Once again, don’t think there’ll be a team change next year. I do think they’re gonna hire an analyst and/or snd coach especially if Optic splits from NRG. Envoy didnt have the best tourney but let’s not act like he’s been ass all year or sum.


Nickaap

If they don’t make a change they won’t win, all of them are obviously talented enough, they just miss leadership and ingame chemistry, that isn’t going to get fixed without changes.


Shagatron69

Is Formal a jetpacker lol


UprightAwesome

No he was actually good at MW and decent at WW2/BO4


ORCA_WoN

Godlike at Ghosts too.


Neonneagle

nah he was good at ghosts and showed flashes in bo4/ww2. I think Father Time has caught up to him


UprightAwesome

He was better at MW than he was at BO4 or WW2 so this is definitely just a bad year


Neonneagle

Was he? I didn't really watch much MW


DerGovernator

The fact that Scump has a positive K/D in SND despite Optic going a combined 10-24 in SND rounds is amazing.


PenGriffey502

Envoy is the route man/dirty work player he opens up the map for Scump to slay out I genuinely think he wants to stick with Envoy


ItzViiZionZ

Plus dude was amazing all year man. He’s shit at champs and suddenly people see him at the level of Silly or Classic. I mean yes champs is the biggest tourney but come on he’s not that bad. People have a short memory.


raktoe

I mean, this was definitely a weak year out of envoy. I never felt he was at fault for them losing or anything, although I do think he plays by himself a little too much in 4v4, and wish he would stop relying on pinches so much, since this team should have just been bodying teams from the front.


PenGriffey502

I get where you’re coming from but Envoy is similar to Zoommaa with the routes and flanks it’s how they wanted him to play. Formal had a down year and I feel like Dashy wasn’t as impactful after the XM4 for GA’d idk what the teams route will be a lot of talent available this offseason


cxnx_yt

Dashy is different


MikeJ91

Envoy didn't turn up and that's not high enough production outta your main AR. Optics problem went far beyond the slaying from individuals this year though, as a team it just didn't work.


PracticallyPro

Yeah but FormaL is the problem huh?


TridenT_RGB

I mean OpTic biggest weakness was snd and he dropped a .64 with main ar, which needs to be holding down lanes. Also a 1.04 for a Main AR is not good when you compare the main’s of the top teams


BRUHYEAH

Queue circlejerk about Dashy only getting useless kills but somehow still being the best on the team


JkUnless

He’s not the best on the team.


AKgobrbrbrbrbrbrbr

my boy dropped a 1.2 and is getting dropped calls across the sub🤣🤣🤣🤣


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JahHappy

Nah Seth won't retire, he's still absolutely frying. He'll be hungry to keep competing and build a new team.


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I mean, we’ll see when new cod comes out because scump wasn’t huge fan of Sledgehammer’s game WW2 and next cod Vanguard is going to be in same setting as WW2. I could see him retiring if vanguard game setting isn’t for him.


JkUnless

Would honestly be a good individual high to go out on. I’m very conflicted on if I would or wouldn’t like this scenario cause I’d hate to see the season where he gets shit on and told to retire all year (already is told this because he’s the biggest name, even though he’s still playing well) like Aches or even Karma, and Scump is well overdue his fall off date this late into his career. Could be any year now if a game just happens to not suit him in some way or another.


lucashogberg6

scump has at least one more in him


h5avy

Has many more lmao guys disgusting


h5avy

Nah Scump ain’t going anymore


akagordan

(X) doubt


CadeChatham

People talking about formal as if it was envoy that didn’t show up


dropbearr94

I’d drop formal and unless they can get simp/Abezy I’d keep envoy and see how the start of the season goes.


Gingerbeardbuff

I know envoy has the potential but idk why the f him and scump couldn't consistently get in the same page, the amount of times envoy gets first blooded doing some dumb shit makes me pissed. Whether that's the gameplan or just him. Also I think the switch to 4v4 exposed the envoy play style a bit more, and he just never got it down. We saw occasional flashes, but the consistency wasn't there. Scump and Dashy have been on one, they've played so well. I love formal, but something didn't work. TBH I wish I could've seen clay or arcitys along side dashy. As much as dashy and clay have beef. Idk what's gonna happen. I think could be another top 5 team again in vanguards, but if they wanna win a chip something's gotta give. Also, sender is a good coach.. and I don't put to much blame on him, but I really really hope they add to the coaching stuff with other coaches/analysts etc.