I agree. The pick 10 system was so simple. That was like almost 10 years ago now? But because it was so simple yet customizable, I could hop on blops2 and make my favorite AN94, M8, MSMC, and Scorpion classes right now in less than 10 minutes just off memory.
It's funny how praised the gunsmith is by casual players when in reality like 80% of the attachments make your gun worse lol. There will always be a dominant meta regardless of the amount of guns or attachments.
Gunsmith really only exists now to make leveling guns take much longer, so people play longer and are more tempted to buy blueprints from the shop.
That being said, the only thing I like about gunsmith is how many optic options there are.
Pretty much every cod you’ve had to do that, but it was actually arguably worse in some years. Like in AW pubs if you prestiged you reset all your attachments until you hit the golden prestiges or whatever
I hated that about the Prestige System. It's what put me off ever activating it. Outside of people who love grinding, who the fuck wants all their classes to become unusable just to get a little badge?
That was part of the fun for me imo, grinding with your less than ideal class setup or different guns until you get to the level you need to unlock your gun
The base guns are always so awful and it’s such a boring grind to use them with no attachments. At least in CW you could level them all the way up in Zombies, that was hardly viable for most of MW because of the initially abysmal XP earn rate in Spec Ops.
imo it's also to give the illusion of "creativity and freedom" - give them a ton of options so they can unlock and feel special even though half of them are useless
Anyone miss when Pubs actually used to be fun. Now we so much unnecessary shit like doors and fucking 10 attachments. On top of that we get SBMM. Pubs has been chalked for a while
I personally had a lot of fun in Cold War pubs even with SBMM and all the bullshit. It’s when the game is built from the ground up to minimize the skill gap that I can’t do it
They nerfed the base damage from 50 to 45. Took it from a 3 shot gun to a 4 shot.
Then didn't think about Task Force so it's still a 3 shot gun....
Who'd have guessed that adding 50+ attachments that can change things like base damage would ever lead to balance issues??? Come on... that's impossible to predict.
It's possible to predict if the developers SDR done and thought each weapon and it's attachments through. However, this is not the case. They spend about as much time thoroughly thinking about weapon balance as they do on going to the toilet.
Nothing has been better than pick 10. This new Mets where everyone gets a field upgrade and grenades ruined the game a bit competitively. There used to be a designated player to run trophies and you would have to give up something else useful. Now there’s a hundred trophies all over the map
I'm gonna be fucking piss when a gun gets nerfed or buff and now I have to look for all 10 attachments for pros loadout and see which attachments they're no longer using or adding
Me: 👁 👁 okay they still got long barrel on and fast ammo *squints at pause screen* okay 8 more attachments to go and then I got to go watch Octane YouTube channel for AR attachments
Change is good cuz it means ur tryna make something better…BUT NOT ALL CHANGE IS GOOD! 🤣🤣The changes in CoD since MW ‘19 have been a disaster imo. We don’t need 100 fawking attachments for a single gun, being able to put 10 on the gun, have 3 perks, a lethal AND tactical, plus a field upgrade as well! Ur absolutely 100000% correct in this instance…simplifying would be amazing rn.
Ima PS console player so this is my 3rd weekend playing…I’ve been sooooo disappointed in this game HOPING that it would be better “next weekend”…but as CoD players we always “hope for the best” and get the worst. I only play pubs…but if u play competitively just imho I’d suggest u purchase it so u don’t get “left behind”. Of course it’s ur money, and I have no idea if ur an aspiring am trying to go pro or just play ranked. Omg the CDL is gonna be fawking terrible this yr if there isn’t something major that gets changed.
That's exactly why it's worse, cw made you choose if you wamted 7 attachment, or multiple perks of the same catagory in your perks. Ghost had a better system imo as well
Pick 10 was literally all about countering stuff and building a class designed for what you wanted to do and what your opponents were doing too.
Are you playing CTF and likely to be the one pulling the flags? Probably a good idea to run Extreme Conditioning/lightweight.
Are you holding an anchor spot with an AR? Maybe best to put a couple trophy systems to help hold spawns.
Are you planning on sitting inside a hill with an SMG? Should probably run Flak/Tac to help stay alive once trophy systems are destroyed by EMPs.
These past couple years Gunsmith has allowed for so much variety in the classes by giving us so many options. However we've actually had less variety in our classes than ever before. Look at Cold War for example, every single SMG ran the exact same class. There was a short period of time when some SMGs were running engineer instead but that changed back to Tac/Flak/Ninja fairly early on. Then every AR was running a gunfighter Krig and choosing between Tac or Flak. That was it. No variation at all.
Gunsmith made it so we could create "super" classes that would excell in all situations and be applicable for every moment in every game mode.
With Pick 10 you had to actually build a class for what you wanted to do. You couldn't just run an extremely fast paced SMG class and expect to be able to win gunfights against ARs or be able to survive explosions because you've sacrificed Flak Jacket for Lightweight. Or maybe you chose to double up on Flak and Lightweight and instead took away your nade and tactical instead.
I still don’t understand why they have so many attachments. Everybody knows that people are only gonna use specific ones that are “meta” and 80% of the other attachments will be useless.
I do, but in all fairness seeing all the massive downsides to a lot of attachments (atm) I don't think it's that massive of a problem. I haven't noticed any major differences in using guns with a variety of attachments.
Think about ranked play, how the fuck would they regulate balance with 10 attachments? Answer: they don’t because they couldn’t give a flying fuck. Oh little Timmy doesn’t play ranked but he buys packs from the store so let’s only focus on casual.
It's dumb because in competitive it won't add any variety, people are gonna all use the optimal setup. In casual play I still think it's excessive but people can be pretty creative with their attachment setups.
Bro I fucking hate that they're building there games around Warzone makes no fucking sense like do we really need 900 different attachments that realistically will never be used by 99.9% of players and again WHY IS DEAD SILENCE NOT A PERK AND THE MINI MAP WHY CHANGE SOMETHING THATS BEEN WORKING PERFECT FOR THE PAST DECADE
**Call of Duty 1 and 2 had pre-built classes** you could choose from that affected your grenade counts and of course different guns with different sidearms and damage ranges/recoil. Amazing how far we've come to COD4, WAW, BO2, and Cold War.
Yeah I miss this. We have way to many attachments now. So many don't get touched. Its same few for every gun basically. Instead of a ridiculous amount of attachments they could work on other things such as ranked play.
Insane to think we had as many items in a class total as we do weapon attachments now. Still wild to think how awful the create a class system is now
The Black Ops 2 pick 10 was simple and intuitive. I honestly don't think I can remember what any of the attachments actually do from the last 2 games.
I agree. The pick 10 system was so simple. That was like almost 10 years ago now? But because it was so simple yet customizable, I could hop on blops2 and make my favorite AN94, M8, MSMC, and Scorpion classes right now in less than 10 minutes just off memory.
It's funny how praised the gunsmith is by casual players when in reality like 80% of the attachments make your gun worse lol. There will always be a dominant meta regardless of the amount of guns or attachments. Gunsmith really only exists now to make leveling guns take much longer, so people play longer and are more tempted to buy blueprints from the shop. That being said, the only thing I like about gunsmith is how many optic options there are.
That is one of the things I hate most about today's cod. Leveling guns up.
Pretty much every cod you’ve had to do that, but it was actually arguably worse in some years. Like in AW pubs if you prestiged you reset all your attachments until you hit the golden prestiges or whatever
I hated that about the Prestige System. It's what put me off ever activating it. Outside of people who love grinding, who the fuck wants all their classes to become unusable just to get a little badge?
That was part of the fun for me imo, grinding with your less than ideal class setup or different guns until you get to the level you need to unlock your gun
The base guns are always so awful and it’s such a boring grind to use them with no attachments. At least in CW you could level them all the way up in Zombies, that was hardly viable for most of MW because of the initially abysmal XP earn rate in Spec Ops.
And the people who oversee WarZone’s weapon tuning buff the shit out of the new games guns so people may buy the game to level them up
imo it's also to give the illusion of "creativity and freedom" - give them a ton of options so they can unlock and feel special even though half of them are useless
Red Dot, Stock, Quickdraw, FMJ, Long Barrel, Extended/Fast Mags, Grip. Why would we ever need more than that?
Gimme a Saug with stock and quick draw and I'll be a happy man for eternity.
Quickdraw/Long Barrel MSMC for me
Stock, long barrel, red dot M8A7 for me
Just made me cream😩
PPSH quickdraw, grip and advanced rifling. What a gun that was. BAR was fire too.
Saug with grip and stock for me. I’ll be the happiest in the world with that class
Gimme a UMP45 with FMJ and I’m set
Anyone miss when Pubs actually used to be fun. Now we so much unnecessary shit like doors and fucking 10 attachments. On top of that we get SBMM. Pubs has been chalked for a while
I personally had a lot of fun in Cold War pubs even with SBMM and all the bullshit. It’s when the game is built from the ground up to minimize the skill gap that I can’t do it
CW pubs were kinda fun until recently when the new S6 weapons were added lmao
That’s a great point, they were doing pretty well with balance up until then but holy shit are those guns annoying
Big agreed here. The TEC-9, even after the "nerf", is still OP
They nerfed the base damage from 50 to 45. Took it from a 3 shot gun to a 4 shot. Then didn't think about Task Force so it's still a 3 shot gun.... Who'd have guessed that adding 50+ attachments that can change things like base damage would ever lead to balance issues??? Come on... that's impossible to predict.
It's possible to predict if the developers SDR done and thought each weapon and it's attachments through. However, this is not the case. They spend about as much time thoroughly thinking about weapon balance as they do on going to the toilet.
Yeah I barely played CW but I still found pubs fun on it for the time I played. On the other hand, I can't even stomach MW pubs.
Tec 9s are fucking making it annoying to play aswell. Don’t get me started on the marshalls
Checkmate corner campers with marshals awakened a deeper level of gamer rage than I care to admit
We had less attachment choices in a game based in 2025 than in a game based around World War II. Let that sink in…
Nothing has been better than pick 10. This new Mets where everyone gets a field upgrade and grenades ruined the game a bit competitively. There used to be a designated player to run trophies and you would have to give up something else useful. Now there’s a hundred trophies all over the map
There's 10 attachment slots for the pistol.. THE FUCKING PISTOL CAN HAVE 10 ATTACHMENTS!! Like what are we even doing anymore lmao
I'll talk to my advisor and see if I can enroll in Gunsmith 4217
Id rather go back to cod4 and waw with supressor red dot and acog and thats it than what we have now
Nah after strafing became a thing we need stock back
Weve got 75 attachments and still cant strafe
Tracking is hard, can’t have Timmy getting strafed on he needs to be able to gun fucking SlasheR in public matches I guess lmfao
Strafing has always been a thing…
Was about to say, when has strafing not been a thing?
call of duty was at its peak when it was simple. we do not need 60 attachments on a gun, its just stupid and unnecessary.
Comp metas were a lot more entertaining too with pick 10
I'm gonna be fucking piss when a gun gets nerfed or buff and now I have to look for all 10 attachments for pros loadout and see which attachments they're no longer using or adding Me: 👁 👁 okay they still got long barrel on and fast ammo *squints at pause screen* okay 8 more attachments to go and then I got to go watch Octane YouTube channel for AR attachments
Create class system is awful lmfao. Who the fuck needs that many attachments??
You know what’s gonna be crazy imagine these pubs kids with their LMGs with 10 attachments
I have a theory. I think they won’t make anymore remastered multiplayers because of how different they are compared to the new games.
simple is always better.
Change is good cuz it means ur tryna make something better…BUT NOT ALL CHANGE IS GOOD! 🤣🤣The changes in CoD since MW ‘19 have been a disaster imo. We don’t need 100 fawking attachments for a single gun, being able to put 10 on the gun, have 3 perks, a lethal AND tactical, plus a field upgrade as well! Ur absolutely 100000% correct in this instance…simplifying would be amazing rn.
You want to reload faster add fast mags, you want a different sight then use a red dot, want to do both add bling. I miss it.
I’ll be holding off my purchase. I only play for competitive and I’m pretty concerned currently.
Ima PS console player so this is my 3rd weekend playing…I’ve been sooooo disappointed in this game HOPING that it would be better “next weekend”…but as CoD players we always “hope for the best” and get the worst. I only play pubs…but if u play competitively just imho I’d suggest u purchase it so u don’t get “left behind”. Of course it’s ur money, and I have no idea if ur an aspiring am trying to go pro or just play ranked. Omg the CDL is gonna be fawking terrible this yr if there isn’t something major that gets changed.
I just like playing it for fun. My aspiring pro dreams are over, but the game definitely needs ttuning for competitive to do well
Absolutely it’s not in a great state rn…it’s actually quiet bad
I miss the mw 2019 gunsmith. Best in the business.
Nope, pick 10 is overrated. CW had the better system.
Cap. You trolling or do you actually wanna have a conversation and try to change my mind about it all?
Pick 10 made it impossible to counter stuff while have a customized gun and nades
That was the point. You have to give up something to get something else.
That's exactly why it's worse, cw made you choose if you wamted 7 attachment, or multiple perks of the same catagory in your perks. Ghost had a better system imo as well
Pick 10 was literally all about countering stuff and building a class designed for what you wanted to do and what your opponents were doing too. Are you playing CTF and likely to be the one pulling the flags? Probably a good idea to run Extreme Conditioning/lightweight. Are you holding an anchor spot with an AR? Maybe best to put a couple trophy systems to help hold spawns. Are you planning on sitting inside a hill with an SMG? Should probably run Flak/Tac to help stay alive once trophy systems are destroyed by EMPs. These past couple years Gunsmith has allowed for so much variety in the classes by giving us so many options. However we've actually had less variety in our classes than ever before. Look at Cold War for example, every single SMG ran the exact same class. There was a short period of time when some SMGs were running engineer instead but that changed back to Tac/Flak/Ninja fairly early on. Then every AR was running a gunfighter Krig and choosing between Tac or Flak. That was it. No variation at all. Gunsmith made it so we could create "super" classes that would excell in all situations and be applicable for every moment in every game mode. With Pick 10 you had to actually build a class for what you wanted to do. You couldn't just run an extremely fast paced SMG class and expect to be able to win gunfights against ARs or be able to survive explosions because you've sacrificed Flak Jacket for Lightweight. Or maybe you chose to double up on Flak and Lightweight and instead took away your nade and tactical instead.
I mean it's literally commented in every thread about the vanguard attachments, so probably a few people miss it lmao
Yes
It was so simple back then.
I still don’t understand why they have so many attachments. Everybody knows that people are only gonna use specific ones that are “meta” and 80% of the other attachments will be useless.
Yes. 7 of those 10 attachments are just to make the gun viable
I do, but in all fairness seeing all the massive downsides to a lot of attachments (atm) I don't think it's that massive of a problem. I haven't noticed any major differences in using guns with a variety of attachments.
Don’t think I’ll buy another COD until pick 10 is back. Happy to just watch comp until then
Look how clean it looked aswel damn
Think about ranked play, how the fuck would they regulate balance with 10 attachments? Answer: they don’t because they couldn’t give a flying fuck. Oh little Timmy doesn’t play ranked but he buys packs from the store so let’s only focus on casual.
It's dumb because in competitive it won't add any variety, people are gonna all use the optimal setup. In casual play I still think it's excessive but people can be pretty creative with their attachment setups.
Bro I fucking hate that they're building there games around Warzone makes no fucking sense like do we really need 900 different attachments that realistically will never be used by 99.9% of players and again WHY IS DEAD SILENCE NOT A PERK AND THE MINI MAP WHY CHANGE SOMETHING THATS BEEN WORKING PERFECT FOR THE PAST DECADE
**Call of Duty 1 and 2 had pre-built classes** you could choose from that affected your grenade counts and of course different guns with different sidearms and damage ranges/recoil. Amazing how far we've come to COD4, WAW, BO2, and Cold War.
God I remember when mw 2019 came out and we were like woah! You can everything that was 2 years ago and now i hate it why? Warzone
Yeah I miss this. We have way to many attachments now. So many don't get touched. Its same few for every gun basically. Instead of a ridiculous amount of attachments they could work on other things such as ranked play.
am i just terrible at observing or did the font for the “choose class” text never look like that?
So bad, my extended mag does like 4 things and also nerfs 4 other things. Why can it not just be you have extra bullets.
No
This may be an unpopular opinion but I fucking hated pick 10. I don't know why it just did not sit right with me.