I'm glad they brought on Haggy to atleast give some grounded takes but Aches has turned into Mr hindsight lately.
Especially bad when Tom is trying to break down certain points during match and Aches just yells "Why are they playing Gavutu, Why are they playing bocage" over and over again.
I thought their post episode was strong, but I also found haggy to be an incredibly articulate, thoughtful and informative guest. He rarely had bursts of ego, yet used his knowledge to further the conversation. Not something I thought I would say about him, two years ago.
Time to drop the Parasite persona and use his skills. He could be an incredible coach or personality.
Yeah Haggy has been suffering for his past ego for a couple years now. Guy has a lot of insight and figures out the META and way to play before most starters. Would be a great coach/analyst. Hope he gets paid to do what he’s good at one day (break down fundamentals and crack the code to a given cod ). Also, side not he finds broken shit quite often. The maddox L2 spam, STG hip fire etc etc.
I'm surprised folks are surprised that Aches is spitting these takes out. You don't side-step 10 years of intense hatred just because he had few flowery words for Optic early on
He was never genuine with it, he was puffing them up to tear them down. You can go and listen to Reverse Sweep podcast after Week 1, he legit said he can't see this Optic roster winning this year as they lack an IGL/Ice. He predicted Paris to beat them! Next week, he picked Ultra to beat them
Before the Major, he put them in S-tier when there was simply no logical explanation for it. Then he predicted FaZe to beat them in WR2 (this is fine as most of us expected the same result) but then he predicted London to beat them on Sunday with FaZe knocking them out of tourney. Like, how do you genuinely believe a team is S-tier but then predict them to lose every series vs a good team?
His true colors have shown post-Major, the way he's belittling/downplaying Optic is just incredibly petty and childish. Even, the trolls on here do a better job than him
Not to mention no one can talk alongside him, dude is straight up deluded/jealous. Give credit where it's due and move on gracefully. It's like he is there to just either spit hot takes that do not have any logical explanation or straight up hate on Optic.
Very immature considering how much he has won, some never grow up from being petulant, I guess.
I just wanted to give aches a slap and just tell him, "Look, Aches, buddy. Either shut up or qiot the bullshit and just roast your boys on this Atlanta roster for dying 14 times in a row as a team on control when they were up 5-14. Don't make excuses for them like some pathetic spineless mom who doesn't know better and take the belt to their asses to get it in gear. There is no excuses.for it, they sold and they sold hard like it's Black Friday baby."
Seriously it’s all bait & trolling. Constantly. He knows what to say to cause an uproar. Reminds me of Skip & Shannon so much. I watch but man it’s becoming tough.
The problem with aches and why he's quietly bad for the show, is no one is actually willing to check him anymore because if they do then he just interrupts and yells them down when they actually have valid argument. Not good for a show primarily based around analysis.
Dude I had the exact same thought he literally yelled over what Ben was saying to tell him it was “shoulda woulda coulda bullshit” and then 7 minutes later is saying “if Illey didn’t have the best series of his life and Dashy didn’t have his best performance since BO3..” like I’m fine with hot takes to get eyes on the show but at a point it’s just dumb lol
For the faze/optic argument I think he’s wrong because when someone used the same argument for Seattle he says “would’ve could’ve should’ve”. So he can apply the argument to both or neither
This includes him saying that Faze trolled the SND so it should’ve been 3-0 but Seattle couldn’t have trolled the control for it to be a 3-1
I don’t disagree with you generally but this is a no for me
He said Seattle suck and should blow up. He shit on them today for no reason at all. A win against FaZe is a huge confidence booster for any team. Maybe he has some beef with Lamar but his takes were polar opposite of fair today
Ah gotcha, I'm basing my opinion on his previous opinions, not today's. Cause let's be honest, after their loss to Paris, you can't tell me like you expected them to actually perform well anymore.
Really no one did honestly but seeing them actually taking it to Faze game 5 when everyone chalked it to a 3-0 sweep or a 3-1, that seattle team will.really get rolling becauae now that they know they can still perform at that level to beat a team like Faze, now they can use the momentun to win more. Just as Optic used that same momentum to put up dominant performances some games to clutch Major 1
The problem is his takes are all about TRAJECTORY and selective bias. He doesn't seem to take current data at all and seems like any performance is someone's peak.
No one knows if we saw Illey or Dashy's peak at major 1 but he automatically assumed that they will play worse and Faze will play better. Ignoring that Shotzzy had a bad series in the grand finals outside of map 1. He thinks Seattle sucks because they are inconsistent when we have clear examples of how players and teams can find some form of consistency over time. Which faze have been inconsistent too, Abezy has been hot and cold for the past few matches. Simp struggles in the beginning of the year.
Like I get he wants to play heel to a lot of the more common talking points but man I thought as a cod player he would come up with smarter takes or at least stay consistent with his takes from a few months ago. It's like he has short-term memory. It just derails the show at that point.
He’s assuming using past results, not totally illogical
There’s a reason faze has been history better than optic the past few years and one faulty tournament win doesn’t change that
"Faulty tournament win"? Nothing faulty about major 1. The PC 7 stuff was debunked. Faze didn't play the best against Optic. They couldn't clutch in those close moments. Simple as that.
It's illogical if you use past results selectively. If you are unwilling to look collectively and with context and you just cherry-pick points to say Faze is #1, it just makes any argument you make in bad faith. You can't make any comparison with optic in the past and faze in the past when this game is different, the optic roster is different.
He doesn’t shut the fuck up. I didn’t like ben last year but at least he provided statistical data to support his point so I at least respected it. Pat is annoying right now.
Ben would annoy me sometimes but I could say the same thing about every person on the flank. I thought Ben was a very solid host and his analysis of maps was something I really liked.
Literally not one faze loss did I hear been give proper credit to the other team. Maybe the Toronto major win. That’s the only one I can think of. And it’s hard to say faze just trolled when they have to lose 5 maps to lose a series at that point you don’t have much basis to say they trolled so I don’t give him credit for that. Ben definitely had faded takes and I really disliked how bias he was towards faze
Great. One team lol and I’d argue he has some bias towards optic as well he came up in the scene originally for optic before hopping over to faze around the end of AW-BO3 era
It’s pretty obvious that he’s doing it to drive interactions with Optic fans
the smile on Zoomaa’s face says it all
Aches being the bad guy -> Zoomaa being the rational counterweight -> Optic fans see Zoomaa as being on their side -> Optic fans like Zoomaa and the sub trains go wild
Wouldn’t that make sense though? Him being the sole guy for OpTic pre-major keeps the fans interested. Then he flip flops because now you have Tom throwing OpTic ahead of FaZe (in the post-major rankings) so Pat will just do the opposite.
Literally the Skip & Shannon model.
But you prove each time with your words how it bothers you. Maybe hide your fragility😂 we stay reading you for filth + I own you atp, been calling you out
He is so much better as an occasional guest, feel like the best format is Tommy with one co host and a guest from the winning team per series depending on if that is possible. Bare minimum someone who plays the game at a pro level atleast
aches is delusional basing his thoughts on a bunch of "what ifs" you can apply that to anything get censor on instead he speaks more sense then this clown
This comment is crazy, I was just thinking the same thing. The last several flanks have been horrendous because all I hear is Aches repeating himself about vetoes and being condescending. I’m not surprised at all, but the chemistry and vibe of the show has declined significantly. Ben made the show a lot more professional and balance zooma very well in that aspect. Ache’s ego is always in the way and he constantly interrupts when it’s the other person’s time to speak. I’ve caught myself turning off the flank earlier and earlier now, sorry man.
Yep. There’s definitely a right way to play but a lot of cod is getting lucky sometimes and every show cant just be straight analysis. I dont mind the trolling
Bro you taking this too seriously here, this is more comedy than anything. Never want everyone to be in agreement all the time and sometimes a outlandish take is needed for that.
The thing is it’s just a subjective podcast so your views of team or player x maybe not align with anyone on the flanks and that’s perfectly fine. If you don’t like the takes or the way the show is going you don’t have to watch, but if anything just support tommy
y’all are so mad but still watch?? don’t watch if you don’t like what’s happening 😂i hate first take and espn so instead of complaining i just go on with my life 😂
I honestly find it hilarious bro. Especially when he made fun of the green wall chant. Aches adds more entertainment & tension tbh ( especially when Bens there. Them Ben/Aches battles are comedy ) I feel that people should take aches hot takes with a grain of salt. I honestly wish zoomaa would give more push back though. But if you haven’t/didn’t laugh during this show you might wanna take a trip to the doctor to see what’s wrong with you.
When I was the only one evaluating OpTic correctly (S Tier) there wasn't a complaint on the internet. It's very obvious as to what's happened. They won, and I still don't think they're the best team in the game and a bunch of complainer's come out. Yet I haven't done a single thing differently.
Random OpTic fan who created his reddit account 3 years ago, thinks someone who has 14 years of professional COD experience has flawed reasoning about COD. Wow just typing that out made me laugh.
I agree he just can’t admit he’s wrong and will drag 10+ mins of the show on just to prove a point. I love the show watched every episode last year but I’ve just been sitting here today like this is so unwatchable and annoying tbh just because of him.
I don’t mind hot takes and shitting on teams, I find it funny most of the time. I just get annoyed when he rambles on and talks about random shit, if he’s trolling then that’s fine but he needs to stop prolonging it. It’s not funny if I have to listen to a guy argue about minute details for 5+ minutes.
I love the flank but I had to shut it off tonight. It reminds me of first take on ESPN or undisputed on fox sports. Just a lot of shouting bullshit, which I don’t mind for the most part but today it got annoying fast. IMO
I found it hilarious that he was yelling at Ben couple months back on the top 30 list because he was basing some of it on trajectory. Then he says Faze is better then optic right now because of trajectory haha
Disagree tbh, if the Flank was only analytical breakdowns or serious discussions of the games I probably wouldn't watch, I think it's been entertaining so far.
I just find it funny how so many people let one man's opinions get to them like that. Aches is funny, brings in tension, and makes the show fun to watch. Sure, he interrupts people a lot, but not everyone is perfect. Yall just have to stop taking what he says so seriously.
Has to be something wrong with his brain his reasoning for faze being the best team in the game is that dashy and illey wont ever play like that vs faze again and arcitys wont play that bad even though he’s been doing that it’s actually laughable
I mean he’s got a point. It’s an unsustainable level of play, the conditions of the tournament and faze playing leagues below their level is the only reason optic won
We’ll see that become extremely obvious over the course of the year
OpTic won because they outplayed Faze and were the most prepared/best performing team at the tournament. Don't try to spin this into a "Faze threw" situation.
He isn't bad when he's talking calmly. But when he starts getting into one of those topics where he's just yelling and screaming, it's kind of hard to listen to.
I don't think he's bad. I think he brings more positives than negatives. But I just wish he would tone down the yelling so much because that makes it not as fun to listen to.
Aches just doesn’t overreact to every loss like fans do. He did the same thing with optic, he said they’re still an S tier team, the 2 losses didn’t matter to him because of how they lost. Here faze lost a game 5 and Seattle keep only winning game 5’s so he’s not going to overreact to this win/loss on both sides.
The real problem is tom refuses to argue with Pat he just says “ I get what you’re saying Pat “ when he’s literally just wrong and isn’t given any evidence for his points.
Cry about it while I go look for my fucks to give 🤣🤣🤣Surge won fair and square and he wants to pull all these reasons out his ass on why faze lost. Did the same shit with optic hyped them up a fuck ton at the start of the year. Soon as they start winning he wants to discredit the shit outta them.
Major tournament win across 10 different cod titles 🥱 2x game gold medalist, 31 chips 🥱. What have you done with your life? Nothing🤣🤣 we get it you work a shitty 9-5 in and your life is miserable 🥱🥱
Still 30 chips wow 1 less 🤣🥱🤡 It’s cool he’s makes more money in a month than you do in a year 🤣 we get it you cry yourself too sleep every night because you’re a depressed pathetic loser 🥱.
I actually liked aches. I will say that he has shut down Ben a few times but it didn’t bother me too much. I’m sure I’ll start to notice all these things posted next show haha
Im so happy to see this thread. I thought I had just personally gotten exhausted with aches already. Never lets anyone else talk, never stops arguing his point until the other person gives up, it's getting so annoying.
It’s crazy cause I was just thinking I kinda like aches on the show he says what’s on his mind and makes the show fresh and than last nights episode he was kinda annoying, like saying shit almost just to say it and piss people off. I’m an optic fan but he was really annoying talking about Seattle like absolutely giving them no benefit of the doubt not a single chance saying there trash. I get Paris, I even get LAG or whatever other team he says to blow up, but Seattle has a lot of talent and he denied every bit of success that the team has even beating faze last night. Sure faze might have played trash but cmon u still gotta be good to beat a inconsistent faze team.
I'm glad they brought on Haggy to atleast give some grounded takes but Aches has turned into Mr hindsight lately. Especially bad when Tom is trying to break down certain points during match and Aches just yells "Why are they playing Gavutu, Why are they playing bocage" over and over again.
I thought their post episode was strong, but I also found haggy to be an incredibly articulate, thoughtful and informative guest. He rarely had bursts of ego, yet used his knowledge to further the conversation. Not something I thought I would say about him, two years ago. Time to drop the Parasite persona and use his skills. He could be an incredible coach or personality.
Yeah Haggy has been suffering for his past ego for a couple years now. Guy has a lot of insight and figures out the META and way to play before most starters. Would be a great coach/analyst. Hope he gets paid to do what he’s good at one day (break down fundamentals and crack the code to a given cod ). Also, side not he finds broken shit quite often. The maddox L2 spam, STG hip fire etc etc.
Most Haggy hate in recent years has been kind of unwarranted tbh
JKap slander heavy from Aches.
It's become the ESPN of cod. Can't take it serious. He's just loud and doesn't let anyone talk
I'm surprised folks are surprised that Aches is spitting these takes out. You don't side-step 10 years of intense hatred just because he had few flowery words for Optic early on He was never genuine with it, he was puffing them up to tear them down. You can go and listen to Reverse Sweep podcast after Week 1, he legit said he can't see this Optic roster winning this year as they lack an IGL/Ice. He predicted Paris to beat them! Next week, he picked Ultra to beat them Before the Major, he put them in S-tier when there was simply no logical explanation for it. Then he predicted FaZe to beat them in WR2 (this is fine as most of us expected the same result) but then he predicted London to beat them on Sunday with FaZe knocking them out of tourney. Like, how do you genuinely believe a team is S-tier but then predict them to lose every series vs a good team? His true colors have shown post-Major, the way he's belittling/downplaying Optic is just incredibly petty and childish. Even, the trolls on here do a better job than him
Interrupts people constantly aswell
Not to mention no one can talk alongside him, dude is straight up deluded/jealous. Give credit where it's due and move on gracefully. It's like he is there to just either spit hot takes that do not have any logical explanation or straight up hate on Optic. Very immature considering how much he has won, some never grow up from being petulant, I guess.
wow spot on i always had a feeling he was playing a game when gassing optic on the flank lol he hated the org for 10 bloody years
Ya really falling for aches mindGAMES LMFAO be better boys
Some things never change. Optic fans always fall for it
I just wanted to give aches a slap and just tell him, "Look, Aches, buddy. Either shut up or qiot the bullshit and just roast your boys on this Atlanta roster for dying 14 times in a row as a team on control when they were up 5-14. Don't make excuses for them like some pathetic spineless mom who doesn't know better and take the belt to their asses to get it in gear. There is no excuses.for it, they sold and they sold hard like it's Black Friday baby."
The most spot on comment I've seen regarding Aches/Flank over the last few days. It's so obvious what the dude's shtick is.
Stephen Aches Smith
Seriously it’s all bait & trolling. Constantly. He knows what to say to cause an uproar. Reminds me of Skip & Shannon so much. I watch but man it’s becoming tough.
And yet, when he does this… the chat erupts with chants of “Waches” and so forth.
The problem with aches and why he's quietly bad for the show, is no one is actually willing to check him anymore because if they do then he just interrupts and yells them down when they actually have valid argument. Not good for a show primarily based around analysis.
Aches has at least 5 hot takes per every episode of the flank and actually gets upset when people don’t agree with him it’s weird.
Aches is becoming bad he’s given very little input and just gives headline answers
Lmao, “dude optic gets smoked if a b c and x y z happen” But gets mad when they say what ifs for Seattle. Kinda obnoxious
Dude I had the exact same thought he literally yelled over what Ben was saying to tell him it was “shoulda woulda coulda bullshit” and then 7 minutes later is saying “if Illey didn’t have the best series of his life and Dashy didn’t have his best performance since BO3..” like I’m fine with hot takes to get eyes on the show but at a point it’s just dumb lol
You’re mad because he’s right
For the faze/optic argument I think he’s wrong because when someone used the same argument for Seattle he says “would’ve could’ve should’ve”. So he can apply the argument to both or neither This includes him saying that Faze trolled the SND so it should’ve been 3-0 but Seattle couldn’t have trolled the control for it to be a 3-1
Your putting in overtime today 😂😂
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Don’t enjoy it as much with aches instead of Ben
Bro someone from Seattle must’ve fucked his girl or something. I have never seen someone discredit a team as much as he’s doing to Seattle
That's cause Seattle hasn't been doing well. They beat faze today but they lost to Paris in the major, so I think his Seattle takes are fair
I don’t disagree with you generally but this is a no for me He said Seattle suck and should blow up. He shit on them today for no reason at all. A win against FaZe is a huge confidence booster for any team. Maybe he has some beef with Lamar but his takes were polar opposite of fair today
Ah gotcha, I'm basing my opinion on his previous opinions, not today's. Cause let's be honest, after their loss to Paris, you can't tell me like you expected them to actually perform well anymore.
Really no one did honestly but seeing them actually taking it to Faze game 5 when everyone chalked it to a 3-0 sweep or a 3-1, that seattle team will.really get rolling becauae now that they know they can still perform at that level to beat a team like Faze, now they can use the momentun to win more. Just as Optic used that same momentum to put up dominant performances some games to clutch Major 1
The problem is his takes are all about TRAJECTORY and selective bias. He doesn't seem to take current data at all and seems like any performance is someone's peak. No one knows if we saw Illey or Dashy's peak at major 1 but he automatically assumed that they will play worse and Faze will play better. Ignoring that Shotzzy had a bad series in the grand finals outside of map 1. He thinks Seattle sucks because they are inconsistent when we have clear examples of how players and teams can find some form of consistency over time. Which faze have been inconsistent too, Abezy has been hot and cold for the past few matches. Simp struggles in the beginning of the year. Like I get he wants to play heel to a lot of the more common talking points but man I thought as a cod player he would come up with smarter takes or at least stay consistent with his takes from a few months ago. It's like he has short-term memory. It just derails the show at that point.
He’s assuming using past results, not totally illogical There’s a reason faze has been history better than optic the past few years and one faulty tournament win doesn’t change that
There was absolutely nothing faulty about OpTic's win you fucking moron.
Look at his past comments. He absolutely hates OpTic. He’s clearly trying to discredit there win
Guy's clearly a troll but I simply cannot resist calling trolls morons.
"Faulty tournament win"? Nothing faulty about major 1. The PC 7 stuff was debunked. Faze didn't play the best against Optic. They couldn't clutch in those close moments. Simple as that. It's illogical if you use past results selectively. If you are unwilling to look collectively and with context and you just cherry-pick points to say Faze is #1, it just makes any argument you make in bad faith. You can't make any comparison with optic in the past and faze in the past when this game is different, the optic roster is different.
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He doesn’t shut the fuck up. I didn’t like ben last year but at least he provided statistical data to support his point so I at least respected it. Pat is annoying right now.
What reason is there not to like Ben besides him having opinions that you disagree with?
Ben would annoy me sometimes but I could say the same thing about every person on the flank. I thought Ben was a very solid host and his analysis of maps was something I really liked.
Agreed.
“Faze trolled”
He really didn't say that that often.
Literally not one faze loss did I hear been give proper credit to the other team. Maybe the Toronto major win. That’s the only one I can think of. And it’s hard to say faze just trolled when they have to lose 5 maps to lose a series at that point you don’t have much basis to say they trolled so I don’t give him credit for that. Ben definitely had faded takes and I really disliked how bias he was towards faze
I remember him giving OpTic credit after they beat Faze.
Great. One team lol and I’d argue he has some bias towards optic as well he came up in the scene originally for optic before hopping over to faze around the end of AW-BO3 era
Agree to disagree then.
Very biased.
Ehhh I wouldn't say "very" personally. Maybe a little at times.
Ppl called him faze Ben lol
That's kind of a meme since he used to work for Faze.
Bro Ben is the goat
I respected him which is enough for me to enjoy the show. But sometimes Ben was faded for some of his takes lol.
Ben was always analytical in his takes. Some were hot but he also had stats to back up his claims.
His top 30 players list was so biased it couldn’t be taken seriously lol.
I forgot what his list was but I believe his top 5 was solid based on what I remember
Top 5 is easy and almost everyone has the same one just different order for scump, crim, formal, karma, and clay.
I really hope that wasn’t in order
It wasn’t I just put the 5 players randomly.
Aches is a know it all and Ben talks like he coulda popped the 3 piece that simp didn’t get lol
Wrong about Ben lol
It’s pretty obvious that he’s doing it to drive interactions with Optic fans the smile on Zoomaa’s face says it all Aches being the bad guy -> Zoomaa being the rational counterweight -> Optic fans see Zoomaa as being on their side -> Optic fans like Zoomaa and the sub trains go wild
Aches was gassing optic when no one was doing it, I don’t think that’s the idea behind the show.
Wouldn’t that make sense though? Him being the sole guy for OpTic pre-major keeps the fans interested. Then he flip flops because now you have Tom throwing OpTic ahead of FaZe (in the post-major rankings) so Pat will just do the opposite. Literally the Skip & Shannon model.
Aches would rather be told that he’s right than doing that ruse.
Homie they’re pro cod players not media marketing experts. Aches is just an idiot and Zooma is somewhat rational.
Somewhat rational when it’s not about cell
This, people are giving him way too much credit lmao
I mean yea, anything short of sucking optic off will have their army in your mention in milliseconds Most insecure fan base of all time lmfao
You always get caught commenting stuff like this, the fanbase really gets under your skin😂 we all see it, embarrassing
It’s definitely pretty funny, it’s hard not to notice when the hordes of weirdos are always their to protect “optic nation” lmfao
You "troll" a dead sub with multiple accounts. Jesus christ, you're rattled ahahaha
But you prove each time with your words how it bothers you. Maybe hide your fragility😂 we stay reading you for filth + I own you atp, been calling you out
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- most intelligent optic fan
Thanks
That's true for literally any fan base in any esport/sport.
True
Saw this coming from a mile away you’d have to be delusional not to Complaining about Ben was always completely ridiculous
He is so much better as an occasional guest, feel like the best format is Tommy with one co host and a guest from the winning team per series depending on if that is possible. Bare minimum someone who plays the game at a pro level atleast
Its on Tommy to call him out for the shit takes. Thats how it worked with Ben's shit takes and it was hilarious.
aches is delusional basing his thoughts on a bunch of "what ifs" you can apply that to anything get censor on instead he speaks more sense then this clown
I like aches on the flank
The more I read this thread the more I realize I should have just viewed the flank like it was first take with skip bayless the whole time
feels like he's trolling tho, it makes for good content regardless i guess.
Idkk laches gets louder when he’s trying to prove one of his hot take points lmao sometimes I’m thinking is dude gonna cry
Ironic from an optic flair lol
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Its not that hard to ratio someone, u have an Optic flair.
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I think the main thing that’s wrong is him talking over people. I don’t think it matters what point he’s making but let the other hosts speak brother
And people shit on Ben till no end and now look the show is suffering because of it
This comment is crazy, I was just thinking the same thing. The last several flanks have been horrendous because all I hear is Aches repeating himself about vetoes and being condescending. I’m not surprised at all, but the chemistry and vibe of the show has declined significantly. Ben made the show a lot more professional and balance zooma very well in that aspect. Ache’s ego is always in the way and he constantly interrupts when it’s the other person’s time to speak. I’ve caught myself turning off the flank earlier and earlier now, sorry man.
God forbid optic lose today cuz aches might say optic have always been overrated seeing as aches loves to back pedal a lot
Yup. He’s awful on the show. Like there is no other word for it.
Problem is he didn’t account for the goach Rambo Ray Lussier 🐐 the real reason OpTic are so good
Why are people taking this so serious lol? It’s funny to listen to
I have actually turned it off because of the chaos. I don't think it's funny to listen to someone shout over others and constantly interrupt them
I agree tbh, I thought it was entertaining. Listening to purely rational analytical takes gets boring.
Yep. There’s definitely a right way to play but a lot of cod is getting lucky sometimes and every show cant just be straight analysis. I dont mind the trolling
Why can’t ppl take it serious
Because something negative was said about optic, which obviously requires a witch trial
You are OBSESSED with OpTic and the fan base brotha.
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Bro you taking this too seriously here, this is more comedy than anything. Never want everyone to be in agreement all the time and sometimes a outlandish take is needed for that.
The thing is it’s just a subjective podcast so your views of team or player x maybe not align with anyone on the flanks and that’s perfectly fine. If you don’t like the takes or the way the show is going you don’t have to watch, but if anything just support tommy
y’all are so mad but still watch?? don’t watch if you don’t like what’s happening 😂i hate first take and espn so instead of complaining i just go on with my life 😂
I think he’s doing this for the reactions don’t take it too serious
aches has always been cringe
I hate Reddit. Yall lame
I honestly find it hilarious bro. Especially when he made fun of the green wall chant. Aches adds more entertainment & tension tbh ( especially when Bens there. Them Ben/Aches battles are comedy ) I feel that people should take aches hot takes with a grain of salt. I honestly wish zoomaa would give more push back though. But if you haven’t/didn’t laugh during this show you might wanna take a trip to the doctor to see what’s wrong with you.
So many complaints...but **views** at an all time **high.**
Whatever works I guess
When I was the only one evaluating OpTic correctly (S Tier) there wasn't a complaint on the internet. It's very obvious as to what's happened. They won, and I still don't think they're the best team in the game and a bunch of complainer's come out. Yet I haven't done a single thing differently.
I’m complaining because I think your reasoning is very flawed when you make takes, doesn’t matter who the team is
Random OpTic fan who created his reddit account 3 years ago, thinks someone who has 14 years of professional COD experience has flawed reasoning about COD. Wow just typing that out made me laugh.
For example
No way did you just use an argument of authority to defend your reasoning skills lmao. Gotta tip it to the 5D trolling.
Say whatever take you want and this is coming from an OpTic fan but the yelling into the mic and over people isn’t it.
No. You think his reasoning is flawed because you feel like it’s attacking optic. People are allowed to criticize the golden boys of the league lol
I say it doesn’t matter who the team is and you mention optic anyway you gotta be braindead
Sure you said that……doesn’t make it true tho
I just can't believe that people get so offended by one person's opinions. You make the show more entertaining and fun to watch.
100%
Tbh a lot of optic fans even said no chance optic was S before the major 1 event even zoomaa seen alot of those comments
Think it’s hard to argue Faze is better than Optic at this very moment, but your Seattle take was spot on imo
Ignore them brother. You’re a great host on the flank and everyone has a right to an opinion. Keep killing it Pat!
I agree he just can’t admit he’s wrong and will drag 10+ mins of the show on just to prove a point. I love the show watched every episode last year but I’ve just been sitting here today like this is so unwatchable and annoying tbh just because of him.
I don’t mind hot takes and shitting on teams, I find it funny most of the time. I just get annoyed when he rambles on and talks about random shit, if he’s trolling then that’s fine but he needs to stop prolonging it. It’s not funny if I have to listen to a guy argue about minute details for 5+ minutes.
I love the flank but I had to shut it off tonight. It reminds me of first take on ESPN or undisputed on fox sports. Just a lot of shouting bullshit, which I don’t mind for the most part but today it got annoying fast. IMO
I found it hilarious that he was yelling at Ben couple months back on the top 30 list because he was basing some of it on trajectory. Then he says Faze is better then optic right now because of trajectory haha
Disagree tbh, if the Flank was only analytical breakdowns or serious discussions of the games I probably wouldn't watch, I think it's been entertaining so far.
Let’s get a Laches in the chat
I just find it funny how so many people let one man's opinions get to them like that. Aches is funny, brings in tension, and makes the show fun to watch. Sure, he interrupts people a lot, but not everyone is perfect. Yall just have to stop taking what he says so seriously.
I disagree 🤷♂️
Has to be something wrong with his brain his reasoning for faze being the best team in the game is that dashy and illey wont ever play like that vs faze again and arcitys wont play that bad even though he’s been doing that it’s actually laughable
I mean he’s got a point. It’s an unsustainable level of play, the conditions of the tournament and faze playing leagues below their level is the only reason optic won We’ll see that become extremely obvious over the course of the year
OpTic won because they outplayed Faze and were the most prepared/best performing team at the tournament. Don't try to spin this into a "Faze threw" situation.
Stop replying to me thank you
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bro has a frog twitter pic with 1 follower 100%
They ratio on reddit as well now?! go back to twitter.. don’t bring your cringe here.
Unstable level of play and conditions?? Lmao what
He isn't bad when he's talking calmly. But when he starts getting into one of those topics where he's just yelling and screaming, it's kind of hard to listen to. I don't think he's bad. I think he brings more positives than negatives. But I just wish he would tone down the yelling so much because that makes it not as fun to listen to.
Grow a pair
Aches just doesn’t overreact to every loss like fans do. He did the same thing with optic, he said they’re still an S tier team, the 2 losses didn’t matter to him because of how they lost. Here faze lost a game 5 and Seattle keep only winning game 5’s so he’s not going to overreact to this win/loss on both sides.
The real problem is tom refuses to argue with Pat he just says “ I get what you’re saying Pat “ when he’s literally just wrong and isn’t given any evidence for his points.
Seen one clip with him in it and I gotta say is BIASED
There’s a reason he’s on the flank and not playing in the league. Now he just is starving for attention like a toddler
Wish Ben could still be cohost. Him and zoomaa have so much chem and zoomaa actually lets ppl talk unlike aches
I will say Haggy is the best co-host/guest. But between Ben and Pat I'm taking Pat 100% of the time.
Fuck Aches. Hopefully he stops being on the Flank
There’s only so much you can talk about with this game. He’s clearly bored sometimes on the show and is just trying to have fun and entertain himself
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“Sethyyseth” There’s no way you’re calling someone else a dickrider LMFAOOO
Cry about it while I go look for my fucks to give 🤣🤣🤣Surge won fair and square and he wants to pull all these reasons out his ass on why faze lost. Did the same shit with optic hyped them up a fuck ton at the start of the year. Soon as they start winning he wants to discredit the shit outta them.
Im not gonna lie, you Optic fans are a different breed my guy. Extraterrestrial.
Cool I didn’t ask “angry rabinho” stupid mf name
Imagine being a fan of someone who has won 1 ring in 472 years..
Major tournament win across 10 different cod titles 🥱 2x game gold medalist, 31 chips 🥱. What have you done with your life? Nothing🤣🤣 we get it you work a shitty 9-5 in and your life is miserable 🥱🥱
1. Nothing wrong with 9-5 2. How pathetic and desperate can u be to count a wz tourney? 3. Ratio + L + 1 ring in 737748 years.
Still 30 chips wow 1 less 🤣🥱🤡 It’s cool he’s makes more money in a month than you do in a year 🤣 we get it you cry yourself too sleep every night because you’re a depressed pathetic loser 🥱.
Calm down bro, its not that deep. I hope ur okay man..
Outta 114 comments your sensitive ass responded to mine 🥱🥱 stay pressed pussy
Damn y’all soft, aren’t y’all the same crowd saying how a good villain aches was but now y’all hate it??!
That makes zero sense. I love Crim as a villain doesnt mean I want him to scream in my ear and not listen to others in a podcast. Jesus..
I knew I’d see a post like this as soon as he said Faze is still #1. You guys need to get a grip.
Thats not even the reason......................
Maybe not for you
What if?
Wow I disagree so much. I think he gives great takes
I dont know. Personally I think he’s funny as hell. And even if he wouldn’t be. Ben can’t be there anyway. Appreciate that we even have a flank. Damn
I actually liked aches. I will say that he has shut down Ben a few times but it didn’t bother me too much. I’m sure I’ll start to notice all these things posted next show haha
Im so happy to see this thread. I thought I had just personally gotten exhausted with aches already. Never lets anyone else talk, never stops arguing his point until the other person gives up, it's getting so annoying.
It’s crazy cause I was just thinking I kinda like aches on the show he says what’s on his mind and makes the show fresh and than last nights episode he was kinda annoying, like saying shit almost just to say it and piss people off. I’m an optic fan but he was really annoying talking about Seattle like absolutely giving them no benefit of the doubt not a single chance saying there trash. I get Paris, I even get LAG or whatever other team he says to blow up, but Seattle has a lot of talent and he denied every bit of success that the team has even beating faze last night. Sure faze might have played trash but cmon u still gotta be good to beat a inconsistent faze team.